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Greg Jones Or Jacquian Williams? Who Do You Want On The Field?

Jacquian Williams tackles LeSean McCoy in a game earlier this season.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

The headline gives this one away. It's time for a debate, people, so sharpen your arguments and let's get right to it. Which rookie linebacker would you prefer to see getting more snaps, Greg Jones or Jacquian Williams?

It seems like the Giants have gone back and forth on their own answer to that question, and I have seen arguments on behalf of each player in some of your comments. So, let's have a full-fledged discussion about it.


Tale of the Tape

Greg Jones
Ht: 6-0 Wt: 242
College: Michigan State
Drafted: Sixth round, 185th overall
Position: MLB
Snaps Played: 128
Tackles: 21
Pro Football Focus Grade: +2.4

Jacquian Williams
Ht: 6-foot-2 Wt: 224
College: University of South Florida
Drafted: Sixth round, 202nd overall
Position: OLB
Snaps Played: 242
Tackles: 37
Passes Defensed: 2
Pro Football Focus Grade: -2.3


So, let's debate the pros and cons of each player.

Star-divide

Jones became the middle linebacker by default when Jonathan Goff went down right before the season-opening game against the Washington Redskins. For a guy who was not expected to play much, if at all, this season he has done a pretty decent job. He does not possess great speed, which is probably why he was a sixth-round pick, but has shown to be pretty solid against the run when he can get there. Has a +2.9 PFF grade for run defense.

Jones is a pure middle linebacker with four years of big-time experience at Michigan State. Jones' snaps have varied wildly this season -- 35, 14, 9, 28, 4, 4, 34 in the seven games. 

Williams is a raw, unpolished athlete. Some eyebrows were raised when the Giants drafted him, but he has shown intriguing athleticism and play-making ability. Due to the injuries the Giants had, Williams began the season playing on passing downs, but he impressed coaches and his role seemed to expanding until the past couple of games. His snaps played look like this -- 16, 28, 43, 34, 76, 45 and then 0 Sunday against Miami. That is a pretty clear indication that, while the Giants love the potential and the athleticism, that the youngster's mistakes are becoming harder to tolerate.

So, what would you like to see the Giants do here? The fact that both of these rookies are getting signficant time, and playing well in spots, bodes well for the future of the linebacking corps. The question, though, is which one should be on the field right now?

Poll
Which rookie linebacker should be getting more snaps for the Giants, Jacquian Williams or Greg Jones?
Jacquian Williams
418 votes
Greg Jones
376 votes
Forget them, give me some Herzlich!
468 votes

1262 votes | Poll has closed

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I wanna see what Herzlich and Paysinger can do.

by LostinJersey on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Forgot about Pay

It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

by SNORKIS on Nov 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say Herz...

He is a smart player who can help this team cover up some of the mental lapses we have.

by bdasilva7785 on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Give me Herzlich!

JWill is going to be a good OLB for years to come, but his rawness has been exposed and he gets washed out in the run. Problem is, Jones is getting washed out too much in the run too, so at least JWill can cover and can in theory, make up for mistakes with his raw speed.

Really curious to see how Herzlich would do. I’d say he’s the least inclined to make mental errors out there (IE, what bdasilva wrote as I was typing this).

by TNYFBG on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I just thought it was hilarious that as I was typing “mental errors” your post flashed up. Great minds, my friend…

by TNYFBG on Nov 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see all 4 of them

They all have talent, but they shine in different areas. Right now, Williams is more raw than JPP was a year ago. He’s just barely growing into his body, and he hasn’t played any more football.

How about they put them on the field when the situation best suits their abilities?

(I happen to agree with Jones, that its hard to find your groove when you’re coming off a 4 snap game)

by Raptor22 on Nov 3, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep this
put them on the field when the situation best suits their abilities

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22

by Willgfass on Nov 3, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

We always seem to pine for those on the bench

While I like Williams ability, I’ll take a player who is close to being where he’s supposed to be and get help making the tackle. Instead of a player who is totally out of position and then needs to get bailed out by a CB or SS.

I think once Williams get some experience, he’ll take over for Jones.

by EverBlue on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Herzlich

Enough of this not being able to stop the run BS.

Throw MF Ty Sash in there on running downs as well.

by MattinNJ on Nov 3, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Williams.

I hate when the Giants in recent history have gone to a certain lineup only to keep said lineup even when its obviously not working. Williams is the better player. He’s even a better run stopper then Jones.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Williams too

I see this around the ball a lot.

My Wife is a Patriot's fan...

by Giantssincesix on Nov 3, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

err

I see this guy around the ball a lot.

My Wife is a Patriot's fan...

by Giantssincesix on Nov 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Fewell's system

the WIL seems to be more of the head of that defense or at least has a lot of responsibility
and they play Nickel too far often that Jones hardly has a taste of playing time at Mike.
So that’s all we can really base their play on.

Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH

by 27Tango on Nov 3, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Nov 3, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herz reminds me a little of Blackburn

In all fairness to Herz, it’s not an insult, and his athleticism is limited because of a battle with cancer (whereas Blackburn’s athleticism was limited at birth).

Blackburn was a player that made up for his lacking athleticism by always knowing where to be, limiting mental mistakes. I think Herz does the same.

I’d like to find out what he can really do, but right now, he might be doomed to special teams. But this might work out better for him. I can only imagine that the Giants don’t want to risk putting him out there on defense if he’s still a step too slow. Herz will be a long-term project. I’d rather wait until next season to see him get extensive reps, as an injury wouldn’t help the guy at all, given what he’s had to overcome recently.

by Max Schwager on Nov 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

williams

was he benched on sunday?

by section_112 on Nov 3, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I've apparently been out of it...

Who’s been playing MLB when Jones has not? Jacquian?

by BigBlueDeadHead on Nov 3, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

OK makes sense .. and Kiwi .. though I guess he was in DE rotaion when Tuck was out since you didn't mention him..

I’d like to see Greg Jones get continued development and snaps at MLB. While we were still gashed some last Sunday I think Jones is &/or will be pretty strong in the middle against the run. Use an outside guy more in coverage on TE, etc.

by BigBlueDeadHead on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt see jacquain much at all on sunday

i dont know why. i thought he may have actually done something wrong. i was at game and havent watched the replay. did he play at all?

by section_112 on Nov 3, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

no room for him

with Tuck back on the field, Kiwi moves to full time LB in a 2 LB defense.

You down wit JPP?

by Flynner on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

One game at a time

For the next game — Williams.

With the Pats’ two big TE’s, and given JWill’s speed and size, Williams is going to have to cover one of them (Rolle on the other, CWeb on Walker and Ross on Branch). I see him getting a lot of snaps this week, and Jones not seeing as much time.

Against SF the following week, with Gore pounding the ball, maybe the reverse.

by NorthwestFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly, I'm not sure

but what I do find a little concerning is the wild swings in number of snaps between the two of them. Just not sure what that says from a coaching standpoint. Zero snaps for Williams last week… I just have a hard time believing thats because of scheme or situation. Obviously they are very different players, and each has their strengths… it’d just seem advantageous to make sure they both see consistent playing time.

I think either or possibly both could be very good given a couple years.

by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 3, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Very definitely...it depends

Obvious…Jones running biased plays, Williams passing biased. Decide on play by play basis.

Depends who the team is. I do not think it is cut and dry for either.

Give Herz and Pay some snaps too where appropriate. TC, guys do not develop without playing.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.

by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

this week

Williams.

Pats are a pass first team and Williams speed is better suited to play against them.

But bottom line, with a healthy Tuck on the field, Kiwi a is full time LB now. and we usually only have two on the field, Boley being the other… so I guess my answer for the time being is neither.

You down wit JPP?

by Flynner on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

i dont even like him as LB period.

by section_112 on Nov 3, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's probably been their best LB at least playing in zone coverage

period. Boley and Williams are better when they man up.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not?

this is where he’s getting all his pressures from. He lines up over JPP or tuck and shoot the hole created.

I may be mistaken but, I think he’s pretty effective from the LB slot

You down wit JPP?

by Flynner on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwanuka

Should NEVER be off the field. He has been tremendous at BOTH positions all season.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's much more effective

on the line. he’s a lineman first, LB 2nd. why do people think he has been so fantastic? i can’t think of one remarkable play he has made in the LB slot. really i cant. can anyone?

by section_112 on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean, jacquain's play on vick

boley’s play on shady, JPPs sacks, Kiwi from the line against bills.

these are memorable plays.

anyone? kiwi in LB spot making a big play? can’t think of any. not saying thats the only barometer. but if he’s been so fantastic, why haven’t we seen anything?

by section_112 on Nov 3, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah...

He’s made several excellent one on one tackles of running backs. It can’t recall which games, but one was in the backfield. When he tackles a runner, it’s over.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Nov 3, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hes made plenty plays from LB spot

IDK what you want it to look or sound like but he has been great at both spots.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Nov 3, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it you like the Nascar (4DE's) set

Personally I don’t see it as all that effective. There at least 2 people out of position in that set, and I’d much rather see Kiwi standing up and choosing where he’s gonna come from on passing downs, rather than lining him up at end with Tuck and JPP now moved inside.

Fewell used both setups this past weekend, neither of which seemed terribly successful, but it did seem to me that this is the best use of Kiwi.

You down wit JPP?

by Flynner on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well osi wont move

tuck can come from the inside. JPP has been pushed all over the field, that could be the reason we havent seen him take over games as in coming from osi’s side

hey.. uptown problem

by section_112 on Nov 3, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed Nascar is horrible... ONLY if it's a 100% passing play at end of games...

that we are leading by a TD.

Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH

by 27Tango on Nov 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tuck & JPP would not be out of position or comfortability on the inside in the nascar package

Neither would Kiwi.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Nov 3, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if pass first

then nickle, so boley and jacquain. we are just very small in that package, wide open in the middle.

we really underrated cofield

by section_112 on Nov 3, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, and I think Fewell

has the tendency to replace at least 1 DT with a DE in those nickel packages.
WTF

Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH

by 27Tango on Nov 3, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Williams this week

To help cover the quick New England TE’s and Jones next week to help deal with Gore.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

This Week

Jones.

I honestly believe that the Pats are game planning to run all over us on Sunday. Obviously you worry about Brady and the TE’s in the passing game, but the Pats have been a very good running team this year, and we have been a VERY bad run stopping D. If we don’t stop the run, we lose. That means the early downs are extremely critical; we have to win on first down, and if that means sacrificing some speed to keep the better run stopping LB on the field, I say so be it. Our pass rush, which is the single biggest advantage we have in this game, will mean nothing if we can’t force New England into some 3rd and longs. Gotta win the early downs, and Jones gives us a better chance at doing that. No disrespect to Williams, who I really do like as a player. Just my opinion.

by mtcl05 on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

They plan on running,but i'm hoping it won't be there...

which means Brady to the air. And even if they get the run going it will still be Brady.

by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 3, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Short passes over the middle to Welker.

That’s what I’d do. Run up the gut, see what Welker can get you, then take your shots. Our plan won’t be that different. Run, run, run; hit the slot receiver; run something weird like a pass play to Jacobs…go long to Cruz.

11/1/2010

by HughG16 on Nov 3, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a real tough one...

but I like Williams at this point. Yeah he is young and raw, but he is a play maker! His speed is something that the D was lacking for a while. Plays in the mold of Armstead, and even Kawika Mitchell. After last season, we ALL were talking about how we needed some speed in the OLB department, well, we now have it.

Jones is also making monster strides and making some plays for the D, no doubt about that! If these guys keep getting the playing time then they will obviously become better players. Right now Fewell has to keep experimenting week to week because of the injuries. Herz should be getting some time as well! The future looks bright with our young corps of LB’s.

by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Williams vs NE

Need speed vs NE receivers. But neither is a MLB who can stop the run. Dont think Herz ready yet.

Marfar

by marfar on Nov 3, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Ed "the Standard" Valentine bringing his A game

rec’d

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Nov 3, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh-Oh!

Bradshaw out of Sunday’s game. Cracked bone in his foot. Surgery possible. DAMN!

Marfar

by marfar on Nov 3, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

truly a bummer, but if there's a silver lining (I know, I'm reaching)

We should see Scott in uniform. Hopefully he’ll get some calls, as he’s the only RB with above average speed.

by NorthwestFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is serious

We cannot count on BJ. He might show, might not.

DJ, well here is your chance.

Add a dash of Scott and a lot of beer.

Gonna be tough.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.

by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ...

WHEN will they realize that Bradshaw CAN NOT carry the load? he goes over 16 carries for a game and he is shot for the season.

by Raptor22 on Nov 3, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe they need one more foot injury to be sure

that or they been reading too many comments from our very own MaxShwagger here at BBV

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Bradshaw

+ No Nicks = No Chance

Marfar

by marfar on Nov 3, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

gimme a break

first, they haven’t been able to run all year, AB or no AB.

Nicks is a big loss, if he cannot play, but it just means somebody else needs to step up. Paging Pharaoh, report to the line of scrimmage!

by NorthwestFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

where's the like button...rec'd

Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH

by 27Tango on Nov 3, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is not the time of year to see Herz..

I picked Jones..but I really like Williams speed..The coaches will pick the guy that has been most consistent in practice

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

One god damned game without injuries

PLEASE!!!!

We finally go into a game against Miami and things start to look up and bam

Nicks is dinged
Bradshaw is out indefinitely
Tryon is gone

It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

by SNORKIS on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Bradshaw is out??..What's wrong?

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

The hell...?

Anyway, that was supposed to be an emoticon expressing exasperation

by Raptor22 on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Garafolo reported that he has a cracked bone in his foot (confirmed through other sources)

No one has said what they are going to do about it.

-He has played with this type of injury before.

-He could miss several weeks.

-It could require surgery which could cost him the season.

No one knows at this point.

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geezus that really sucks..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm used to it.

There is only one guy on the team that, if he went down, I would be seriously concerned with their ability to continue to win.

Until that happens (and I pray it never does) I have faith that they can beat anyone.

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Nov 3, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Nicks and Bradshaw

I never believe either of them will not play until the gameday inactive list comes out. Both guys have always had injuries that take weeks to heal yet they come back pretty quick. Paul Dettino on the FAN thinks the same about Bradshaw but yet is confient Nicks will not play.

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

Losing Bradshaw is a big deal but was anyone really counting on the Giants winning on Sunday because of our running game. I wasn’t. I was counting on them running it just to keep the Pats defense honest. This game will ride on Eli and the receivers.

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

By the way

I was one of the people who said that I wouldn’t give Bradshaw a big deal because of a history of foot injuries. There you go….

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope...they could start Ware and share snaps with Scott

it probably wouldn’t make a difference

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except in pass blocking

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Nov 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use more screens and quick slants

Ware and Scott are known for being good pass catchers.

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ware was supposed to be the 3rd-down back coming out camp

You can’t be that unless you can block.

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really hoping

that Da’rel gets on the field and breaks out, just like he did against NE in pre-season game #4.

by NYStateofMind on Nov 3, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

sadly its true

I have had no faith in the running game since the ARI game. Maybe Jacobs wakes up and Scott can make a big play. But I would expect to see alot of Ware blocking

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I was hoping they would work the run blocking kinks out this week..

It is now up to Jacobs..I hope he lives up to his promise..Hell, I hope they have his wife on the field so she can talk to him..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Williams vs Tom Brady

Jones vs the 49ers

Herzlich vs cancer (along with numerous other football teams)

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Nov 3, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Bradshaw out

i love the comments by TheRightReese at NJ.com.

Champions??? What are in those cigars you smoke. This team will be lucky to make the playoffs with the injuries that are happening. No Nicks and Bradshaw. This team is done now. Eli is going to see 9 in the box the rest of the year now.

way to have some faith in the team. is this guy even a fan?

I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.

by NJsandman on Nov 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

btw

block quote fail. the middle paragraph is what he said

I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.

by NJsandman on Nov 3, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfuly, don't post NJ.com stuff here

That place is known for having some of the most pessimistic Giants fans anywhere.

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

why repost what some random commenter says at a less smart football community?

@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.

by AJ_in_VA on Nov 3, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no disrespect to anyone here

but who’s to say that this is the smarter football community? i know everyone here tries to take a more positive outlook on the season, but that’s not to say that looking at it in a more positive light is more intelligent. i obviously disagree with what he was saying but i wouldn’t anoint BBV as the most intelligent Giants fans around because i don’t think that’s fair

I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.

by NJsandman on Nov 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe they consider themselves fans..

Crazy..I don’t go to other sites so I’m not familiar with those people..I can understand opponent sites raising cane about our guys..and I stopped visiting them..but a supposed Giant fan site saying horeshit like that?..Unacceptable..yesterday somebody posted a comment from some Carbo dude..assinine..They are fans??? Please…make them go away..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

the way Eli is playing this year

9 in the box would be the stupidest thing any team could do

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

9 in the box and ELI throws for 400 easy

kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk

by Mr.Williams on Nov 3, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely..that would be good for the good guys..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli has seen 8 or 9 in the box

All year. Nothing new. Most teams still think we live on our run when in reality the team now revolves around Manning and he seems up to the task. As long as our line can block the guys up front, this would be great for the Giants and Eli. He can light up that NE secondary all day, even if Nicks isn’t in the lineup.

by NYStateofMind on Nov 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw's numbers with stress fracture
TomRock_Newsday Tom Rock
Bradshaw played in 8 of the final 9 games in 09 with stress fracts in foot. Had 83 carries for 323 yards in that span. 3.9 ypc …

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

chose Williams

i like his skill set vs NE…RE: AB,Sux big time…but I actually see BJ having a Solid game..Ware i picked up in Fantasy..he will get a few swing passes and welp i hope he scores..I just have a gut feeling we will have a big rushing day…

kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk

by Mr.Williams on Nov 3, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

neither

but since goff went down jones needs to play. leave herzlich for kickoffs because that guy is not ready for NFL defense.

Boley and Kiwanuka should not leave the field in my opinion.

by The Blood of Eli on Nov 3, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Jacobs
TomRock_Newsday Tom Rock
Sunday could be a day that defines the rest of Jacobs’ career. He’s clear-headed and will get a chance to play …

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

+27

I happen to think BJ will have a huge game..

kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk

by Mr.Williams on Nov 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

I’m a big Jacobs fan. I’d hate to see him end his Giants career on a bad note.

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

as am I

I love what he brings to the game…when he starts good things happen..hes not a come off the bench type of runner imo

kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk

by Mr.Williams on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

My honest prediction

Jacobs gets 15 carries or less.

I hope I’m wrong about that, but thats my gut feeling.

by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tom Rock is the biggest Jacobs hater out there....

leave it to that dumb fuck to make this weekend a “career defining” moment for Brandon.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Nov 3, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well we need that to come true..and I agree this is his final defining moment

as a Giant..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't have it any other way

lol

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan G is ballin'!

Swish!

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora

by GhostDini on Nov 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the part

where Dallas is willing all but one of their remaining games, but hey, at least the one loss is to us. Guess that means the Eagles have to win out. Then again, this is also impossible since the Eagles must play Dallas. I guess Dan will be petitioning the league to grant wins to both teams in light of their contributions to society and the American Way

by TNYFBG on Nov 3, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not even surprising

I hate saying it, but this is what happens when you give AB 20+ carries.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Nov 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

How Strong is Pats DLine?

Can they be physically dominated? Have they been? I believe the answer to this question is the key to Sunday’s game. If our OLine can physically control NE DLine, we’ll be ok with Jacobs and Ware and a dash of Scott.

Marfar

by marfar on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Their D-line is awful..last in the AFC..424.1 yards allowed..

That’s why we need to eat up the clock..Just chip away at them..Keep their offense off the field..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, they probably have the 2 biggest dudes in the NFL up front

in Wilfork and Haynesworth. Wilfork is an anchor, but Haynesworth is garbage. The other guys up front are old, so they’re pretty stout vs. run and have little pass rush. Also, because of Brady offense, many teams playing from behind, so probably calling 2:1 pass ratio

by TNYFBG on Nov 3, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Bradshaw news is a Debbie Downer

Only bc I know Ware is garbage and Scott will have to beg to play. WIthout AB we can win games but without Nicks we are done.

The greatest player ever!!!

by terellchewy on Nov 3, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Nicks will play..but I was very surprised about AB...

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen a post from Uncle Fester yet today..

Did he get maliciousy screwed like me?..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Nov 3, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

they both bite the big one

Just watch the games, they make a couple of plays a game, but we need someone that is going to produce all of the time we need someone that is smart in the middle can play the run and pass. and these two are not it, look at the big running plays, they are no place to be found. time to give Herzilich a shot, smart player and can play all LB spots!!

by cranda on Nov 3, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

HOW DID I MISS THIS THREAD TOO!?

I’m going to go ahead and say Jones. He’s more disciplined that Jacquain, and smarter too. That’s why for right now, he’ll be better. In the future, when Jacquain is up to speed, he’s light years more athletic than GJ53, so he’ll be better in the long run.

Herz will need to redshirt this year to have a chance at the starting lineup next year.

"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin

by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I voted for Jones

But I agree with many here that say both need to play. Certain situations are going to call for different types of players at LB and I think there are enough snaps to go around for both of them to get significant time.

I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.

by bdiggle25 on Nov 3, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Both in different situations

They are young and will learn and get better

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Nov 3, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Nicks is the key player here

He’s been making things happen. The running game has been a non-factor. I think Ware is gonna fit Sunday’s game plan better than BJ. We’re gonna need a guy who can CONSISTENTLY catch the ball out of the backfield. Can’t be dropping the ball with a wide open field like BJ did last week.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Nov 3, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Williams

I dont even think this should be a real question, Jones is a situational backer IMO, Williams is a starting caliber NFL OLB.

Williams has the potential to TAKE someones job in the future, Jones has the potential to FILL IN but i dont think he could beat out a starter.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

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by Blue Gates on Nov 3, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

If the coaches dont like what Williams is doing

I dont think he should be on the field on 1st and 2nd down. Id go with Jones as the more experienced stop gap, but sub in Williams in the passing situations.

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 3, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

how is Greg Jones more experienced in the NFL?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 3, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

More experienced

as a football player. As in less apt to make mental mistakes.

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

williams on welker

jam him at the line…can match his speed…haha

just throwing out some crazy talk now…

but yea…he’s probably gonna have to cover hernandez this week

by TheTrueMANningIsELI on Nov 4, 2011 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

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