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How the Giants could/won't collapse

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Look at it. Look at it more. Something come to your mind? Oh yes, the dreadful word COLLAPSE. It's been a theme of the Coughlin-led Giants, and this is our most recent one. Allow me to recap what happened last year: A loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in which we allowed 28 fourth quarter points in an Eagles win 38-31, leading to a series of poor events and a year of no playoffs. I've still been getting videos on my Facebook wall of this punt return and boy does it anger the hell out of me. Clearly none of us want this to happen, and I believe that the Giants need to work hard to remain in the playoff race starting next week at Green Bay. There is still hope, but that hope could diminish very quickly all within a matter of games.

Let me start with the definition of the word collapse.

Dictionary.com definition of collapse - to break down; to come to nothing; fail.

Things need to start clicking soon and if they don't, we can all feel another season slip through our fingers. The different ways either option could happen are down below. Allow me to start on the bright side.

Reasons we won't collapse:

  • Eli Manning - our best player. He's having his best season and we need him to keep throwing the ball as well as ever. Honestly one of the few bright spots in the Giants v. Saints MNF game. I can only imagine what more great things Eli could have done if he had good blocking. Eli works his butt off constantly trying to set up the run so that whoever is running the ball gets the best possible run and yet the offensive line is not performing.
  • Improving (sort of) Health - Ahmad Bradshaw and Michael Boley are on their way back, and no doubt do we need both of them equally. In my opinion Bradshaw was almost there. He had a 100 yard, 3 touchdown running game against Buffalo and I surely had a feeling he just needed one more game like that to get back to the Bradshaw we love to see. As for Boley, our key LB was having his breakout year until he got a hamstring injury. Communication with Deon Grant was atrocious against the Saints, and that my fellow BBV followers is an understatement. Boley is one of our best defensive players and I believe once he's back communication will be better and our defense will be more pumped up. Trust me on that one.
  • Pass Rush - it's come to my attention that a strength of ours is turning more and more into a weakness the less and less we sack the quarterback. ONE sack last week. ZERO this week. The Giants are suffering from an identity crisis (not completely, but if this becomes consistent it will be). I understand that if we blitz our secondary may be in big trouble, but it may be the only way we will be able to defeat Aaron Rodgers and the Pack. And seriously, Perry Fewell, no JPP at DT. It didn't work well last week against the Eagles, and certainly once you tried it more it only got worse against the Saints. I think the injury to Osi Umenyiora could actually help us get JPP more sacks. He did the same thing when Osi had a knee injury, and he will do it again if he has to because the dude is a monster athlete.
  • We Can Sweep the Cowboys - this is asking for a lot, but it's feasible if we come to play against these guys. I know we don't have to win the division to get into the playoffs, but sweeping the Cowgirls obviously helps us with a ton of tiebreakers. The Cowboys get hot in November, but like us, they also sort of dwindle as the season nears its end. That's when we come in and attempt to sweep them.
Onto the reasons we could collapse:
  • Defensive Scheme - I, like many of you, screamed at PF's constant prevent scheme against the Eagles. Statistically, Bill Sheridan has done better than Perry Fewell. Perry Fewell certainly knows our strengths and weaknesses on this team and has been neglecting it this entire season. Blitzing is definitely a strength of ours, and when we did so against Vince Young as I read in another FanPost, we did quite well. So Perry, you can let our defense get beaten badly or you can utilize those strengths on this defense of yours in the weeks forward.
  • Special Teams - Steve Weatherford, if I ever, EVER, see that type of miscommunication and idiocy out of you again, seriously you can send your bags packing and we will bring back Matt Dodge. And there needs to be some sort of change at punt returner, specifically to Da'Rel Scott. He is the one spot of light on this special teams kick return team and I believe if Aaron Ross is fumbling during punts there is no reason not to try out Da'Rel Scott there.
  • Effort/Morale - I need to mention the only one showing an effort out there on defense was JPP. This part is crucial because it was what happened to our entire team after the Eagles game. I'm not saying the Saints game was as demoralizing as the Eagles one, but there is no doubt it lowers the morale of the team. And plus, like last year, we played the prominent Packers the game after and again got completely demoralized and was one of the final blows on the Giants' previous season. If we maintain effort throughout the next game we will have a shot competing with the Packers, but I've been wrong before.
  • Offensive Line - my final point, this is the one reason I feel there is absolutely no way we can make the playoffs unless this improves. It showed a few bright spots during the Saints game and opened a few holes for the running game, especially on Brandon Jacobs muscling touchdown run. David Diehl did actually do above average blocking his former position, but he hasn't blocked well this ENTIRE season and it's frustrating the heck out of me.
Anyway, this is my first FanPost, and I hope it's a good one in these trying times. Enjoy with tasteful discretion.

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Solid post

Few nitpicks, it’s not like Scott has been lighting it up at KR, why put him at PR.

We need to win 4 more games, including 2 vs the Cowboys to get in the division. We’ll see what this team is made of

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-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
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by Willgfass on Nov 29, 2011 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

JJ would be the better choice . imo

Scott has no side to side moves. he gets 26yds per kick return so thats not bad.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..

by Troy O on Nov 30, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

One more tiny nit to pick.

The Giants are at home, tomorrow, not at Green Bay.
That jumped out at me as soon as I read it in the fanpost. :)

Here’s to the Giants winning their last four games, and keeping the Lions and the Bares out of the post-season party. :)

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

Skol is a four-letter word.

The Munsters of the Midway still suck!

by NorthStarr on Dec 3, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Now there is something we can agree upon.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Dec 3, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

like the post

keep it up

Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 29, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Good piece

So, if you have an issue with Ross fumbling punts then why would you want Scott in there? I think he’d fumble just as much. I think returning kickoffs is dramatically easier than fielding punts. During a kickoff you are never worried about getting blasted by a gunner who goes unblocked as you stare at the sky.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Nov 29, 2011 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

I think both have an issue

I’m just saying Aaron Ross has done just as much as Reynaud did last year. We need someone flashy that can create a big play and I don’t see Ross doing that. I can’t really even imagine Ross returning a punt for a touchdown. If both fumble as much as the other, I’d no doubt put Scott back there because of his speed.

by BigBlueStory on Nov 30, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I will say that he makes me jump up almost every time he fields a kickoff. If his blocking didn’t completely suck then he could break one for sure. I mean…he was hitting the 30 yard line from the back half-ish area of the endzone. He’s got speed, we all know. I also worry for some reason that our blocking on special teams is going to eventually get someone killed.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Minor point

Its less the blitzing than avoiding the 3 man rush and using schemes and looks to confuse the defense

Spags didn’t blitz that much, he rarely used 3, and on most plays of 3rd and 5 or more, 8 guys were at the LOS threatening the QB. In short as DannyMac posted we created confusion. Now we are confused.

Sadly, I think making the playoffs might hurt the team. It’s pretty clear we need a shakeup, coaching, roster Nothing off limits.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Nov 30, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

True

But the fact that we had NO sacks whatsoever no matter whether we used a 4 or 3 man rush we have to give blitzing more of a shot.

by BigBlueStory on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That and

Man coverage. The soft zones are killing me. But I think Fewell won’t MAN UP unless our front four is getting pressure. The way we played against NO, it wouldn’t have hurt us to drop an extra guy into the box, or even two. Rushing two would have produced the same kind of pressure that we did rushing four.

by Max Schwager on Dec 1, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Using the blitz is fine

But we haven’t been particularly good at that either.

If you line up the LB at the LOS and hes the only guy there, they just shift and pick it up. The QB shortens the routes, audibles to hot reads and away we go.

The single most lacking element in our team, on offense or defense is deception.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 1, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

like this

Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
Bye Bye to PF, Spend a draft pick or 2 on LBs (not 6th rounders either, in the first 4 rounds) and find a DC that will actually adjust gameplans in the middle of a game, and use the players strengths instead of forcing them to use weaknesses.

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 1, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Great first post.

Solid points on both why we could/won’t collapse.

I want to win the division, get in the playoffs, and have a chance to compete for a championship. But in the back of my mind I have the thought that if we continue losing it will guarantee us a new coaching staff and I think this is necessary. The players need a new voice at the top, and definitely need a new DC, ST coach.

But that proposition is scary because there is no guarantee that the next coach will be a good hire.

There is no way I can be happy about the Giants losing games, but I think it is what is best for the franchise going forward.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

NYG 30 NO 27

by tommy d. on Nov 30, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Your best bet, of course,

is to hope that the Giants win, and JR still decides that he has seen enough (unlikely, I know, but still…).

Or, (even more unlikely), maybe TC will burn out, and retire. :)

I got so pissed, a few years ago, at the Packers’ so-called fans who openly hoped that the Pack would be losers so that Ted Thompson would get canned.

I was a TT supporter back then, anyway, but even if I hadn’t been, I could never root for my team to lose, for any reason.

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

Skol is a four-letter word.

The Munsters of the Midway still suck!

by NorthStarr on Dec 3, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I never even considered

that either of the first two options are possible.

Both long shots, especially with this owner, but option “A” would be cool wit me

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Dec 3, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

if we play the way we did against the Patriots, we can sweep our last four games

The Cowboys, Jets and Redskins are all beatable, if the Giants put forth their best effort. And even winning 3 out of 4 puts us in the hunt, depending on what the Cowboys do (assuming that one of the losses is to the Cowboys; things get even more interesting if we sweep the Cowboys and lose one of the other games, of course). The question is whether the effort will be there.

by long time listener on Nov 30, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

and if we play

the way we played against the Redskins, Seahawks, and Eagles (2nd game), we’ll be royally screwed.

in fact I thought Fewell’s approach vs. NO was very similar to the approach in his first game vs. Wash.

just sayin’

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I am SO HAPPY Osi will be out

After being a die-hard fan for him over the years, I think its safe to say he is way more liability than threat. I try to watch him on every snap and he mostly makes some sad attempt to get outside the Tackle that fails 95% of the time, then jumps around to get a tipped pass that fails 100% of the time. He is completely incapable of rushing from the inside or executing a bull-rush. And he leaves gaps for runners wide open. We shouldve dealt him in the offseason.

by NobleMadness on Nov 30, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

thought we already collapsed

there is no fix to the O-line situation this year. Beatty was just put on IR.

by TheGifford on Nov 30, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

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by jstrotha0975 on Nov 30, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

Wont make any difference

New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!

by BB1156 on Nov 30, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

DEFENSE

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Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$

by GiantBeing on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This is stunning
statistically, Bill Sheridan has done better than Perry Fewell.

PF has come from being the great hope to the defensive dope.

Does he realize we have 4 DTs? Not one of them is named JPP. What is most annoying about PF is that he keeps using failed concepts. Strong and Wrong. Great idea for losers.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.

by UnknownJintsFan on Dec 1, 2011 8:39 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry but i believe weatherford has WON more games than our defense has this year. One mistake oh well i take him over dodge any day.

by Giantstep on Dec 1, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

DEFENSE

Perry has got to go,he does not have a clue. All he has to do is watch tapes of the GIANTSuper Bowl win over the Pats where T.Brady spent most on the time on the turf. You have to rattle opposing QB’s and the best way is to HIT them and keep hitting them, if you choose to give opposing QB’s all the time to throw the ball YOU LOSE. FIRE Perry right now he is too conservative and clueless.

by John De on Dec 2, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Frankly

whether anti-collapse or not, this all starts on Sunday. I am extra hyped that the Giants will show an extra effort, not just because of me hoping, but Strahan talked with the Defensive Line a few days ago as I read on ESPN and Perry Fewell has been ripping the Giants D for lack of effort. Expect a good game against the Pack and hopefully a win.

by BigBlueStory on Dec 2, 2011 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

It feels like Groundhogs Day around here.

Same BS every year. Collapse is well under way.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Dec 3, 2011 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

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