New York Giants News And Notes: Post-Game Carnage Edition
by Ed Valentine on Nov 29, 2011 7:28 AM EST
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PrintGood morning, New York Giants fans! Nothing to be happy about this morning, at least when thinking about the Giants, after Monday night's disastrous 49-24 rout by the New Orleans Saints.
The collapse is on, as Giants are blown out | New York Daily News
They did so much talking about responding to the challenge, increasing their intensity and showing their pride. They were so quick to dismiss even the possibility of yet another, dismal second-half collapse.
Now, how can they possibly avoid it? How can can they ignore it after yet another second-half loss?
"It's absolutely not possible," said defensive end Justin Tuck. "I'm already thinking that."
There's nothing else to think after the Giants were crushed by the New Orleans Saints in the Lousiana Superdome on Monday night, 49-24, in a game where their defense was barely a speed bump for Drew Brees and his high-powered offense. The Giants gave up 577 yards -- the second highest total they've ever given up in a single game.
Tuck warned that if the Giants didn't figure out their problems their collapse this year could be "historical." After that performance, they may already be there.
NEW ORLEANS — Let’s start with the dance, and work our way backwards.
Giants' Hakeem Nicks unhappy about hit in loss to Saints | NJ.com
Giants wide receiver Hakeem Nicks left tonight's 49-24 loss to the New Orleans Saints in the third quarter when he was hit hard (and illegally) by Saints safety Isa Abdul-Quddus.
Nicks suffered a rib contusion but returned on the next drive. Afterward, he was none too happy about the hit.
"I was defenseless," he said. "It’s football, he took advantage of it. He did what he’s supposed to do, I guess. I wasn’t happy, but it’s football. He got a good shot."
Miracle reunion for Jones - NYPOST.com
NEW ORLEANS — Chad Jones visited with his teammates Sunday night at the Giants team hotel and admitted the experience nearly overwhelmed him when he saw and greeted Brandon Jacobs and Corey Webster, who are Louisiana natives and befriended Jones when he arrived with the Giants as a 2010 third-round draft pick from LSU.
"My eyes were a little watered up when I saw those guys,’’ Jones said.
Teen sues Giants legend Lawrence Taylor over sex case: Bronx girl seeks damages - NY Daily News
Legendary Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor was sacked with a child sex lawsuit Monday by a Bronx teenager who was forced to have sex with him for $300 at a Rockland County hotel.
The victim, Cristine Fierro, said Taylor deserved jail for what he did to her two years ago — not just probation.
"I was glad Mr. Taylor was prosecuted, but I feel as though he should have gone to jail to think about what he has done to me," Fierro said, reading from a statement. "I am very hurt because of what I was forced to do against my own will with Mr. Taylor in that room that night. It is something that is always going to be with me."
-- Much more throughout the day. First, though, in the let's add insult to injury department I have to head to the dentist.
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Get a clue Giants!!! You're taking hits and complaining but you or your teammates fail to respond.
What, you don’t think other teams/players don’t notice that? You guys talk a big game but fold when it gets tough. You get punched in the mouth by the Eagles, bark all week and then tail-tuck on national tv. Whatever.
I think you all need a 32oz cup of STFU and let your play talk for you. Otherwise, all your cliche’s are old and tired. I’m tuning out all your bravado since you display none on the field. Get your rears in gear and uphold the tradition of this damn franchise! You are embarrassing us!
by lboogie25 on Nov 29, 2011 7:41 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
-Standing ovation-
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 29, 2011 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My team.
I love this team. Now that ive said that here are my issues. After 07 this team does not have the ability to match up with elite teams. We dont have any game changers. Who do other teams see and have nightmares about… Jpp soon? Point is nobody that will with one play change a game except Eli. We need a game changer in the defensive backfield and the offensive backfield. Maybe the O-line can stop being overlooked as well. Cmon if the Saints can put a innovative fast team on the surely the NEW YORK GIANTS can get some talent on the field. The injuries are olny part of this btw same issue almost same score in 09.
Bottom line is......
TC doesn’t win unless he has a stellar DC. When he won games in Jacksonville he had Dom Capers. When he won here he got very lucky and had Spagnuolo. He has lost with Sheridan, Tim Lewis, and now Perry Fewell. 3 of the worst DC’s ever!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Defense looked hapless.
I think there’s way too much talent on this team to be this bad. Because of that I say the biggest problem is coaching. Fewell doesn’t use what he has and keeps using the same methods even when it’s not working for extended periods of time (ie. continually lining up DE"s at DT). Fewell needs to go. ANd maybe Coughlin. I don’t know.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 29, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
We're just killed by teams with speed
Teams like NO, Philly with Desean Jackson and Vick really eat our defense alive.
Mike Lombardi had it right last year when he said the Giant defense lacks team speed.
I believe the problem is – we have too many high priced players on defense that disappear against good teams. Tuck, Osi, Webster, KP (well KP isn’t high priced …), Canty. These guys literally disappear against the top tier teams.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Prince is fast, thank god but CWeb and TT and Ross are not
Rolle and KP lack great speed. Oy.
agreed - I like Prince and JPP ....good building blocks
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
we're killed in general
we were killed by Seattle. We were killed by SF.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Lol, what HC wins without a stellar DC?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Mike McCarthy...... Bill Belichick...... Ken Wisenhut
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
McCarthy has Capers...
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN
wait..what?
Bill Belicheck?
And what the hell has Wisenhunt done?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Belichik IS pretty much the DC
lol
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Tuck needs to stop talking seriously!!!
His look on the bench was of a man that has been defeated and it was only the first half !! We need to find leadership else where
by omfGIANTS on Nov 29, 2011 7:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
I was thinking the same thing, “this is the leader of our defense?”. Tuck’s look on the sideline was totally sad. Defense has no heart and no fire. Perry Fewell and his scheme can hit the door. This guy is clueless and is wasting the talent on D.
Quinn must go !!
Tuck is only a leader when he's happy with himself
therefore not a true leader
Agree
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
agreed.
Since the departure of Pierce and Strahan the defence (and the whole team really – think of Strahan talking to the O-line right before they took the field on that final drive) has struggled with a lack of on-field leadership.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 29, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
This team is not tough
We just don’t dish out enough physical punishment on other teams.
lost a lot of physicality with the losses of TT, Goff, Bradshaw..Tuck isn't the same
I’m not using injuries as an excuse, they were shameful last night, but I think teams hit a tipping point with injuries from where they cannot recover, and the Boley/Bradshaw injuries may have been the last straw.
But that doesn’t excuse the effort or the lack of passion. That truly disgusts me.
Totally agree
Barry, TT, Goff were our physicality play in, play out.
Kudos to Jpp and KP….all effort, all the time
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Still not turning on the team
No one can deny that our defense just got embarrassed by the Saints. They are also one of the best teams in the country when clicking. 3 weeks ago we also beat one of the best teams in the country so to claim we cannot win is being blinded by a bad streak. Something is wrong with our lines right now. If we can get that corrected I think we can still make the playoffs. People claiming that our D-Line has sucked all year forget that we led the league in sacks for the first half of the season. The ship has not sunk, it just needs some adjustments.
leadership!!!
We have none of it…talent isn’t anything with out somebody who can take charge… And Grant doesn’t need to be on the field that many play since he can’t get the player lined up any way
by omfGIANTS on Nov 29, 2011 7:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately the biggest.....
adjustment that is needed is replacing the HC and all of his coaches. That can’t be done until the end of the year and by then we will have suffered through another season that could have been. Listen, the GMen have a lot of talent and the fact we aren’t winning is because of coaching. The game plan stinks and when guys are confused on the field as we saw all night last night with the D……..that’s on the Coaches. Cannot belive they ever brought TC back yet again……….bad bad bad move by the Organization!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Tuck was literally beat up the whole game….lol it was embarrassing to see him push to the ground every play Damn near…I don’t never second guess my team or the players on it , but they need a real leader bad !!!!
by omfGIANTS on Nov 29, 2011 7:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Then only shot Coughlin has of retaining his job
Is to fire Fewell today, hope the move motivates the D, change to a pressure based/man scheme and PRAY the Giants can beat the Cowboys twice…
Its hilariouis to think the Giants could still win this division – right now, they could not beat ANYONE – but unless Fewell is gone, I do not see it happening.
And it wont happen because Coughlin has proved there is no accountablity on his watch and he will ride the horse into the ground.
Bye bye Tom. Your tenure is about over.
If he hasn't fired Quinn yet...
And that is two seasons too late, what makes you think the leader of the swiss cheese defense
will be gone soon? Ain’t happening this year, and Tommy Boy will be soon to follow.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Amen to that!!!
I have had enough of no gutts Coughlin! Shake it up and make some moves has never been his M..O…….well now he can go out the door where he belongs. Can’t wait for Cowher power!!! I will be so pumped when he is announced as the new HC of our Giants!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Sure
Since the Redskins can show that bringing back an old coach who used to be successful is a lock for a good team. Coughlin has 1 losing season with the Giants, his first with the team when Eli was terrible as a rookie. I see no reason to assume dumping him to grab another former coach will be better than the record Coughlin has at this point.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Who do you thing would.......
do a better job of changing his teams attitude RIGHT NOW? TC has had 3 weeks here and this team has gotten worse. Bill Cowher is not just any former Coach. That man took a team lead by Kordell Stewart at QB to a Championship game. Took a team led by Neil O’Donnell to a SB. Imagine what he would do with an Eli Manning at QB. Those other 2 couldn’t stay in the same room as Eli. Sorry but Cowher is better. Go look at his record and compare it to Coughlin’s. They are not even close!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
stop with the QB bullcrap
Cowher had an all-time great defense year in and out and won one SB with it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Cowher's record
Using his record and the reaction that Coughlin should be fired, Cowher should have been fired in 2000 after missing the playoffs for three years in a row while having a much worse record than the Giants would have even if they lose every game for the rest of the year. His winning percentage is not much higher than Coughlin’s with the Giants and he did not inherit a horrible team with a rookie QB who was awful his first year (and still took a few years to get better). And Coughlin didn’t get the luxury of beating up the Bengals and Browns 4 games a year.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Well Cowher did finally win the SB for Pitt
so he’s got that going for him. Basically, Coughlin is 65 and will be forced into retirement. Cowher is best friends with the Mara-Rooney family and he has been waiting for the job since 2008. I would not be surprised if Cowher talks socially with the Mara family. He has turned down other lucrative jobs because he is waiting for the giants job. Its basically a done deal.
TC is too stubbon, conservative, loyal, old-school or whatever you want to call it
Look at John Fox in Denver. He ADJUSTS to what he has, plays to his teams strengths and puts his team in the best possible position to win. Coughlin STICKS with what hasn’t worked, isn’t working and will not work. He needs to go.
I can accept loosing, but can the Giants at least die with their boots on
Injuries, lack of talent, bad coaching and apathy. It’s almost like the Giants fire went out after the 49ers loss
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 7:54 AM EST reply actions
Good point
They lost a hard fought game to a tough oppenent and it seems like they have not recovered from that. Not sure if thats coaching but playoff teams bounce back from tough losses, look at the Pats.
Not that simple
The turning point during the SF game was the loss of Boley.His value cannot be overstated. When he went out, the D was vulnerable, got eaten up and looked lost. Add to that the forced one-dimensionality of the Offense w/o Bradshaw and you have the results that are happening now.
Last night watching Grant trying to cover or tackle Saints rerceivers was pitiful. As for pass rush: what do you expect? Tuck is out of it, Osi only has 1 move, and JPP cant do it all. The scheme stinks and the defense is also slow. THAT’S why we cant beat a good team. Why did we upset the Pats? Brady may be a bit psyched out by us. But remember its now 4 games in as row we havent scored a TD in 1st half, including in game vs Pats.
DavebrownNOT
We beat the Pats cuz Boley was able to get depth on his drops and stopped their dinking and dunking
I bet those throws over the middle aren’t so easy for Brees if Boley’s in there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I said the same thing
Boley being out kills us against offenses like NO’s
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Injuries are part of the game
Besides I would say at least 6 our of the last 7 years around here injuries have decimated this team at the end of the season.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
If the Boley Injury is the End of the Season...Then
(a) The GM Reese needs to go for lack of linebacker depth, lack of depth in the secondary; Please note how many injuries Green Bay sustained last year. Their B-squad offensive line gave Aaron Rogers sufficient time to torch the Giants defense and a bunch of other mediocre defenses and win the Super Bowl — what does that say about the Giants’ organization — our roster is generally one-deep at most positions and the team mind-set is that it is okay to use injuries as an excuse for lack of effort and intimidation.
(b) DC Fewell has to go for lack of flexibility in his coaching to adjust to high power offenses - these high power offenses are always on the schedule - lots and lots of adjustments and creative schemes are required (along with lots of defensive talent) to keep up;
© HC Coughlin is absolutely dependent on top notch defensive and offensive coordinators to succeed. If he lacks them, his players collapse like broken twigs at the first sign of opposing team creativeness and intensity. When the other team notches up the intensity, he does not have any tools in his toolbox to see their intensity and raise it again.
(d) The players are too mouthy and unaccountable to each other and the coaches. JPP should have been benched for a few plays for failing to hold the edge when the defensive scheme told him he had zero outside support if the back got by him on the long run – that would have sent a message that you need to be accountable.
Fans need to stop worshiping talented but knuckle headed players who stop doing their jobs because they want to gamble on making a special play. How do the coaches NOT get through to the players that opposing coaching staffs and QBs study the Giants’ defensive players’ tendencies and take advantage of them? If you know that ahead of time, you should be able to stop your undisciplined tendencies and be where you are supposed to be for each opposing offensive set.
The lack of accountability is on the entire organization — there is no commitment to excellence and consistency since the Super Bowl team. And that team’s success was heavily do to the strong personalities of Spagnulo, Strahan, and the roster depth provided by Accorsi. All those pieces are gone now, and we have a very regular, predictable pattern of first half fair weather, low pressure game success, inexorably followed by high pressure games triggering poor discipline, lack of focus and follow-through, low intensity, poor game planning, and collapse. How many times do we have to watch the same movie every season?
There are great head coaches and assistant coaches out there — but the Giant ownership and management are afraid to make big changes unless the team plays below .500 two seasons in a row. And they are afraid of high levels of accountability.
by cobilou on Nov 29, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jerry Reese got to go
Many bad drafts at LB, TE, and good-great GM are graded on what talent they get in rounds 4-7 look at his record from 2008 on and you can see he ranks in the middle of GM in the league.
There is lack of accountability is on the entire organization
by dan_NYG on Nov 29, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably so.
But we are not getting any pressure on QBs for two games now. Forget about sacks, we can’t even get a whiff of the QBs with any regularity.
Boley is only one aspect of the problem.
Sline: Win some one on one maatchups already!
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dline not Sline.
Sigh …
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 9:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking...
What happened to them since the SF loss, I don’t know.
But what I do know, is that when the best teams are getting better, playing harder and faster (Dec), the Giants look like they slow down and get worse.
I know every season is different, we once again have been decimated by injuries, but the bottom line is the bottom line: this team sucks as the season gets serious. Every year.
It’s just disappointing. I will be looking to bounce back and get a win against GB, but what confidence can I have when we have one of the softest, front-running defenses in all the NFL?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Draft
I am going to say this about the next Draft, the SAME thing I said last year.
Sure, our OL is degrading. We need a TE, we need a couple of RBs……. BUT.
If we draft NOBODY on offense, this team has ENOUGH offense to compete for a championship. What we do NOT have is a defense capable of stopping anyone, and its not a factor of one or two personnel moves, it goes way deeper than that.
If we drafted all defense, I would not shed a tear.
Is it D talent?
I mean outside of Pitt, Balt, SF, Chicago, and maybe a few others I’m not sure we are shallow with defensive talent.
Don’t get me wrong we need an impact LB and saftetey, Rolle is overrated and KP is just not that good.
I think we need to sure up the O-Line and get back to running the ball it can’t all be on Eli. You’re not going to shut down teams like the Saints and Pack you need to keep them off the field to beat them and our O relies too much on low percentage pass plays to score points.
Safeties are fine
Just in a horrible system. We do need an impact LB, but we desperately need OL! I think 1st and 2nd rounds should be OL. When he plays, I really like Scott, proving that RB can be addressed in later rounds.
Grant is not fine
Phillips, when he is not playing somewhere in Bergen County has lost range & speed
since the knee injury.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Boley being out in that game, certainly didnt help
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Safeties are not fine
When was the last time a Giants safety made an impact play in the passing game? KP has not recovered and Rolle just can’t cover. The lack of experience at the LB level and the lack of decent safeties in the passing game is what is killing the defense.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Dont agree Safeties are fine
Deon Grant is done and should be retired.
Kenny Phillips is very slow and his injury has affected him to where he gives so much cushion he is never in position to make a hit or a play and is left trying to arm tackle in space…
So thats two of the three that need to be replaced. I don’t like Rolle and his mouth but he is the best we have.
Our CBs get alot of heat, but they DO NOT get any help from our safeties….
Exactly
How many times does a Giants WR beat the corner only to have the play cleaned up by the safety? Now how many times do you see that happen with the Giants defense?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I think the safeties are fine, Grant does need to go
and the best Play maker of the bunch IMO, needs to be on the field…..Tyler Sash
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Grant blows
but the others I agree are fine. They’re forced to play way too safe, maybe by design, maybe by their own fear.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 29, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
it really is Perry's fault
I don’t care that we have injuries…like a lot of them, but teams can survive through injuries with some talented reserves AND a scheme they can UNDERSTAND and EXECUTE…
Thanks a lot Perry, you prepared our backups well, now they don’t know how to play football anymore…
Another horrible DC
Fewell sucks!
Top 3 positions we need help
O-line
LB
RB
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
thing is
drafting a bunch on defense won’t help until 2013. And they’ve drafted a lot of defense the past 2 years in the first two rounds and all they seem to do is get injured.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Honestly, its no secret i support Fewell but...
The thing i dont see from Fewell is the passion he had last year on the sideline, thats gone and it shows in his players.
Also i see a huge difference in the D line’s passion without coach Waffle, look how Oakland’s D line plays, its not rocket science, he has an effect on his players.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Fewell looks like Sheridan right now
cuz the defense is as injured as it was under sheridan
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Its an emotional game.
And too often the Giants exhibit the wrong ones. Coaches and players.
And how about Coughlin getting in Weatherfords face last night?
Old man only likes to bully punters? Get in a big guys face once in awhile. You just look silly picking on punters who make a mistake
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well Sash clearly waived off the fake so i understand TC's anger at Steve
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Have you see the pictures of Weatherford?
He’s jacked. Pretty bold of TC to take him on.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I would like
to know what Nicks is doing out there, running out of bounds twice? The first time it cost them a first down and unfortunately Scott fumbled out of the wildcat? That is not how to use him there Killdrive. How about the draw out of the shotgun, give that to Ware for two yards. How about the screen pass to Ware that he dropped, when there was big seam for somebody with speed.
Yeah, the kid fumbled on a poorly designed play, after watching the replay, not sure it was a fumble, looked like his elbow was down first? They better draft a couple OL, and at least one hammer at running back.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Nicks is a great player, but he seems pretty boy-ish to me
Not a guy that will cause drama, just not the toughest player. Cruz’s toughness is 100000x
Nicks made a derpish play, but I dunno if that should be questioning his toughness.
He took that shot over the middle of the field and came back to play.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
True, perhaps physicality is the better word
I was thinking more of his tendency to avoid contact/go out of bounds rather then fight after the catch..which he should do since hes a big, strong receiver. He couldn’t avoid that hit though lol
at least KP paid 'em back.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Would've rather that hit triggered a rallying cry for the whole team
rather then a single player retilation but i’ll take it
thank you.
Nicks coming back showed me toughness
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I meant hes a pretty boy, not that he's kinda boy-ish
poor wording on my part lol
We need LB's......
And have needed LB’s for a long while now!! That is the blame of Reese who seems to ignore the position until late in the draft. Herzlich wasn’t even drafted. Signed as an undrafted FA.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
We need Goff back, him with Kiwi and a healthy Boley are our backers.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Bottom line
Giants have been mediorce since Plax shot himself. They played at an elite level for 16 weeks 07 playoffs, first 12 of 08 since then they have not been the same team.
I think we have to face it the Giants are a second rate NFC team right now. Not terrible but not a legit contender.
We have been a middle of the road to bad defense since Spags left
Tough to lay this all at Perry’s feet considering we are totally banged up at the LB spot. However, Perry’s game plans against top teams leaves a lot to be disired.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Perry sure knows how to teach our backups and rooks how to not play Football
Another horrible DC
Fewell sucks!
Nostalgia
Problem I see here is people are reacting too much to these last 2 games. We were not good for 16 weeks in 2007. We were good for most of them but we were terrible for many of them as well. First two games were awful, people wanted Coughlin fired immediately. Minnesota embarrassed us and frankly the Skins did too. This is why I cannot give up just yet, people thought we would not even make the playoffs at this point that year.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
I hear you but its different the NFC is much more competative now than in 2007
GB and NO are like the new Pats and Colts, back in 07 there were not teams as consistantly good as those
In 07 we were able to stop the run and rush the QB consistantly and run the ball. . . our issue was Eli’s inconsistant play. . .
Bottom line in 05-07 it was one guy that people were bitiching about, Eli, and once he improved they won a SB, now its the opposite he’s the only good thing on this team. . . I think its a lot harder to get whole positions and units playing at a better level as opposed to one talent player to play up to his potentia likel in 07. . . thats why people are reacting like this.
Remeber in 07 the Minny and Wash losses were a result of Eli’s terrible play not as much as team breakdowns, I mean vs Minny he through 3 pick sixes and a 4th that was returned to the 2 yardline, thats 28 points on one guy. This years issues are not as correctable as that.
Well said.
In 07 Eli was holding us back. Now it’s multiple units holding us back.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Eli is .......
leading the way but nobody is following him! Thank you TC!!! Your voice is not being heard.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
But we never had a three game losing streak that year.
And the real possibility of it becoming a four game losing streak.
And we had a defense that year. A mostly healthy defense with alot of heart and toughs. Don’t have that this year.
And an attacking style D with a DC the players would kill for. Don’t have that this year.
And an outstanding Oline. Don’t have that this year.
And a dominating running game. You guessed it, don’t have that this year.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Read my above post
Once Eli played to his potential in 07 we won all of the compenets were there,
This year they are not other than Eli.
I did, and it's a good one.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
+07
No team can win consitantly in the NFL if it can’t stop the run! Our O is one dimensional now, it’s all on Eli and the recievers, Without AB our running game is a joke.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
And with AB they are mediocre
Because every back needs holes to run through
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
agreed, the O-line is disgusting
AB at least would bust a couple of plays and was pretty reliable turning screens into yards. DJ Ware turns big wholes into a 3 to 4 yard gain on screens. Brandon can’t catch, and seems Scott is still working out the kinks in his game that’s why we don’t see much of him.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
It's beyond time to.......
get over the Plax hangover. The Giants have a real good offense and haven’t needed him since 2009. We have a real good receiving core.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Yeah
Frankly I never bought into the assumption that we collapsed that year due to Plaxico not being there. He had been mediocre all season up to that point after demanding his big contract. The reason we fell apart that year was… wait for it… our D line stopped getting pressure on the QB again. You’d think with as many D Linemen as we have on this roster they’d get rotated enough to not be ineffective at the end of the year but I am certain that is the result of our poor play late season every time. D Line was still clicking late year on 07 and that was the difference maker.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Good point about the D-Line in 08
But Plax not being there killed our O. Teams did not have to worry about our passing attack. THe Eagles played us totally different when Plax was in the lineup and who did we lose to in the playoffs? . . . ahh the Eagles. We put 36 points up on the Eagles when Plax was in the lineup and ran for over 200 yard in November of 08 the next two meetings we put about 20 points combined and were barley able to move the ball.
Now if we did not play the Eagles in the playoffs that year I actually think we make a run without Plax but he was definatly a factor that year. Our D was not as good down the streatch in 08 but it was not this miserable not even close.
Definitely not this bad
We stopped getting pressure on the quarterback but we were not getting routed by land and by air like right now.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
You're missing the point
Yes we’ve replaced Plax, he would not help us this year but if you look at this teams record and overall play vs quality or “elite” teams since he shot himself we’ve been very mediorce.
I’m just using the Plax inccedent as a time reference from when this team went from elite to mediocre not as a single reason why we still are mediorce, yes I know Plax thing only hurt us in 08 and has no effect on 09, 10, and 11 it’s just since that point the team has been mediorce.
We were mediocore with Plax
Where is dream world where we were dominating week in week out with Plax here?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
We won a SB with him and were 11-1 in 08 with him
and were in the playoffs 4 straight years. Read my above posts, I fully understand Plax is not the reason for three straight years of mediocrity, his absence only hurt is in 08. 09 was the end of our O-line as we know it. Our D took a major step back in 09 as well and neither has fully recovered and those two things were a big part of our success from 05-08. Plax is just a reference point as to when things started to unravel for us and the TC era. I know he is not responsible for our crummy o-line play and sub-par defensive performances over the past years but his 08 shooting though was the first event that contributed in the Giants decent from NFC elite to NFC also rans so I bring up as a reference point, if I said we’ve been mediorce since week 14 of 2008 instead of since Plax shot himself would you agree with me?
Linval and Chris Canty
Got knocked to the ground, driven 10 yards downfield and piledrived on every play by Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans – yeah, two of the better guards in the league, but they were absolutely abysmal…..
We can't
stop the run or pass, can’t run the ball, hey they did have 75 yards last night…As John McKay would say, other than that, we are pretty good.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Lets talk
about the most feared pass rush in the league….. 0 sacks
by TheNotoriousDJC on Nov 29, 2011 7:58 AM EST reply actions
Exactly why Sapp dissed the whole line on NFL network. Threw them all in the trash.
Can’t be the best at anything when you disappear for weeks at a time.
How to Create the Best Team in the League in One Move
Swap QBs with the Houston Texans.
The Texans would represent the AFC in the Superblow against the Pack and the Giants would rival the Colts for Andrew Luck.
We don't need a......
QB……We have one of the best. don’t be ridiculous!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
he's not saying we need a QB
he’s saying put Eli on a team that can run the ball and play D and that team becomes the best in the league, while taking Eli off the Giants makes us the worst.
He’s complimenting Eli.
Andrew Luck is.......
not a sure thing. He still has a lot to prove. Phil Simms isn’t even high on him. I wouldn’t make that move at all.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Not sure you understand dubsrub made a joke
about how bad we are and was not suggestioning we trade Eli and move up to get Luck as a legitimit football move.
"Phil Simms isn’t even high on him"
LMAO……so!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Wow. I think that would work for Houston
Barring the whole “getting aqauinted process.” lol
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Shout out to JPP tho
He seemed like the only defensive player out their at times….one or two more of him and we had a shot
by omfGIANTS on Nov 29, 2011 8:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
At this point its obvious
Tuck is playing hurt and is not effective
Osi, good when he first got back, not so good last 3 week
Move Kiwi back to DE to go along with JPP, we might as well play the rookies at the LB spots, because our LB play can’t get any worse than what we are seeing
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
The DC........
Stinks!!! Need to figure out what he is doing. TC needs to get more involved on the DC side of the ball cuz Fewell is lost! Can’t put his ‘finger’ on it…….Really????
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Kudos to JPP
In Fewells scheme, he is out on the flat covering SPROLES…. and he makes the tackle…
The dude is a monster. Total hustle player, he and Kiwi are for real.
I see 7-9 maybe 8-8, unless we get the D turned around
I was embarrassed for the D last night, They can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass, can’t rush the passer, and the D-coordinator can’t even dial up pressure when needed, he just stay’s passive hoping not to give up the big play… totally disgusted
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:08 AM EST reply actions
I don't know if..........
the Giants can win another game. They don’t even show up to play against good teams now. Frustrating!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
We still play the Skins
Dallas looks like a mirror image of ourselves we should be able to split with them.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
And made Rex grossman look all pro.
Not sure given what you’ve seen from this team that you can just write off any team playing against us.
you come at the king you best not miss...
Next jersey purchase odds:
JPP - 45%
Kiwi - 20%
KP - 20%
JWill - 5%
Barden - 5%
T2 - 5%
by ap1150 on Nov 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please, no smearing Eli today
Sorry for the all caps, but let’s focus on the problems, i.e. horrendous defense, poor play calling on both sides of the ball, ineffective lines on both sides of the ball. Eli was NOT the problem last night: 33 of 47, 70.2%, 406 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, sacked 1, QBR 101.9. That is enough to win a game. The int was just bad luck. Ballard lost the fight for the ball and my assumption is that Eli was trying to make a play to set the tone early and it backfired.
Eli was great.........
last night. The INT shouldn’t have been. Ballard should have gotten that ball. The D was pathetic. 33-47 for 406 yards………c’mon now, that’s boarderline perfect.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
No problem with Eli
But let’s be real here, Eli got to pad his stats against a prevent D. The way our D was playing we could have had the second coming of Marino back there and still got our doors blown off
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Eli brought it to 35-17 with 14:50 left in the game.
That is not a big enough lead to be playing that way. Plus, I don’t think the Saints were in prevent defense most of the time…they kept blitzing us.
What they DID do was play zone. But as we all know zone defense pretty much = prevent.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
I was reffering more to when the Saint's droped the forty burger on us
They still blitzed but ran a prevent that Eli went down and scored on
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
ah my mistake, Late
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
If the D would have......
done their Job Eli wouldn’t have had to pass so much but since they didn’t Eli did what he had to do. He wasn’t padding nothing. At one point he was 20 for 20 in the 2nd half. That’s hitting your targets and making plays to try and get your team back into it.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
That pass was
underthrown, should have been in the back of the end zone, either Ballard or nobody catches it!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not smearing ELi
but the ball was underthrown
The problem is with the team is Eli’s margin for error has to perfect for this team to have a shot vs very good teams like the Saints and thats a major problem
ELi was very good and I give him credit for attempting that pass he was trying to make a play and he knew the importance of getting a 7-0 lead but it was underthrown a bit, great play by the LB though.
It was underthrown a tad. Was still catchable by Ballard. If he felt the LB was going to get possession, he was in position
to fight for it and at least knock it away. You need to be able to do that to play in the NFL
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think what contributed to that pick
was Ballard’s size hurt him in that spot. . . the shorter LB who was beat a bit had good position becasue of the ball was not perfect, he was able to get his hands on it before Ballard. IF Ballard was an inch or two shorter he might of caught it or at least broke it up
Maybe so, but who cares?
Our defense makes us look like the softest team in the league.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
no doubt....though I still think if he REALLY tried, he could have broken it up.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Ballard messing up in the past few weeks doesnt even make me mad at him
because he has come up big and this dip in production was kind of expected, he will pick it back up, its just growing pains.
However, it does make me even more angry at Travis Beckum, Hey travis, did you take a good look at Jimmy Graham???, yeah, see that, thats who i thought you would play like!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
An absolue disgrace......
Perry Fewell has no clue. What kind of game plan was that by our DC???? Are you kidding me!!! You have to get pressure on Brees and the Giants did nothing. This team needs an enema! Seriously! TC should NOT have been brought back after ‘09 or ’10. And now we have to suffer through another disaster! It is inexcusable and Mr. Mara and his Organization are the blame and need to make the move at the end of the year. And it better be Cowher that comes in here. This team is not mentally or physically tough enough. They don’t even know how to play in November and December…….I am just disgusted with this team right now and now the Packers are next………….Rodgers will probably throw for 600 yards against our pathetic D……Fewell has to go too……
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Gotta blame the players too man
I saw alot of effortless rushing and lame coverage and tackling.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
absolutely.
At some point you have to win some one on one matchups. Im looking at you, linval, Canty, and the rest of the Dline
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Same as every other day but I feel sick to my stomach
Because of this team.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
TONY ROMO HAS THE BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE ALL TIME IN NOVEMBER.....THEN WHEN DECEMBER ROLLS AROUND, HE BECOMES THE TONY ROMO WE ALL LOVE.....THE DIVISION WILL COME DOWN TO THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON IN METLIFE.......
CIRCA 93, ONLY THE GIANTS WIN THIS TIME
by giantsbizzybody1 on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 AM EST reply actions
YES LET US PROCEED
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds good to me!
But three game losing streaks have a way of killing my confidence. And the teams as well.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
We can only hope....
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Have you looked at Coughlin's
record in December recently? They are just getting started a little earlier this season.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
lol
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
This D-line stuff….if i remember right we used to blitzs the crap out of peopl when spags was here not sit back in zone and rush 3 just 1 of many issues that annoy me.
Running Game
A good ground attack does wonders for the defense. The lack of a running game is one of our biggest weaknesses
What an absolute embarrassment
If you ask me, I think the players have mentally checked out this year especially on defense. Theyre playing in a defensive scheme they dont believe in because its a scheme that doesnt show consistent results.
Yes, the players have to execute but when there are constant holes being exposed time & time again on the defensive side of the ball, that ultimately falls on the coach who has to be able to put his guys in the best spots to win. Fewell may have the right system for another team but that team isnt the Giants.
I like Tom Coughlin but unfortunately I think its time for a new voice in there. There’s not much else he could say thats going to bring out the best in his players. I mean, what MORE can he say? I really hate writing off seasons until that lil ticker on the bottom of the screen says “the Giants have been eliminated from playoff contention” but with the way things are going, the only games I see us actually competing in is the Redskins & Jets games…but by that time we will be out of it & the rest of our remaining “impact players” will be on IR. Im sorry guys, but unless something unforseen happens, our season is over.
by Nicks4Six on Nov 29, 2011 8:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Things that need to happen
It is once again not that we lost but HOW we lost. The D did not show up. Again. Running game, against a weak run D team, did not show up.
Time to change.
TC, KG and TQ and Fewell must go.
KG, still calling the same dumb plays. Not using young players enough although some of that is on TC. Barden is playing well, why not use him more.
Quinn, well, enough said. Ridiculous.
Fewell, still does not adapt Time to go.
TC is responsible for the motivation of the team. They are not motivated generally, the results show that. Why not use the young guys more, esp at the end of the game. So Scott fumbles and he is out? Get him back in at the end of the game at least, show some confidence building. Nah, be the old tight ass that you are. Punish every mistake, that is the way to develop talent. NOT. Why not more JJ12 at the end? The game is out of reach, get some of the starters out, avoid injuries and get some experience.
The game has passed TC by, he won’t change regardless of results. Time to make changes, I don’t care what happens the rest of the season.
JR has to be held accountable for not restoring the OL. Stop the BPA crap and draft what we need. Stop trying to score cheapo rejects, find bargains. Get winners.
I am not an Eli defender but he has played very well and the rest of the team is letting him down. That is on TC & Co. as well as JR
Something has to change or it will not get better. We will be a mediocre team forever. Until Eli retires and then we will crash.
Something has to change and soon. Are you listening Mara?
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 29, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions
Bring in Cowher........
and the Giants mental and physical toughness increase 100%. The move should have been made after last season. We should be sitting here today planning for clinching the Division instead we have another wasted season staring at us………..again!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
How about Jeff Fisher?
the defense will be better, and this team needs to get nasty!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I am actually in favor of, and dont kill me for this but....
Josh McDaniels, as long as he doesnt have total control like he did in Denver he would be excellent IMO. Firery, smart, passionate and a hell of an OC. My only thing would be who would be his DC, i would say Spags but i have a feeling he will be Philly’s DC next year.
I have not been in favor of some of Josh McDaniels personnell moves but i think he tried to clean up bad personalities and we dont really have those here.
Jay Mac for HC next year or at least OC…….okay proceed with the beatdown, but i would actually love for him to come after i really thought about it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'd rather have Norv Turner as the OC
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Norv is great with X's and O's, but he lost that Chargers team weeks ago
but I guess at OC gameplan and play calling are more important
he's the Wade Phillips of OCs
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
exactly
great coordinator not so great head coach
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
That would work
He at least likes to run the ball as well, either one of those great minds would work for me.
Even Todd Haley if he gets canned but only Josh would work as a head coach IMO.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
IDK, i think he would certainly be on the list
Josh is young innovative and has been through trials and tribulations and has experience now. Dont just go off of the Denver situation because i expect him to grow from that. I say there is a chance, maybe not a great one but im in favor of it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
hes just not the giants style, nothing against him
not very established, very young, very foolish at times in Denver (see: celebrating like a player after a win)
Totally agree
But you cant penalize a young passionate man for being a young passionate man, it actually may be what we need. I just think he grew from that and wont make the same mistake twice.
Well he actually CANT make the same mistake twice seeing as he will not have total roster control here, Reese doesnt do that and we dont do that so i think this situation here would be totally different. He wouldnt be trading Eli or Nicks, those decisions will not be in his hands. I think he would be fine but i see your point.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sad but true
Josh is young innovative
hes just not the giants style
True, we like old and predictable.
Quinn must go !!
the offense is fine, however predictable it may be.
McDaniels is a new version of Mike Martz, Eli gets hit enough I’d rather he not get hit more.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Nah
Josh’s QB’s do not get hit, cant compare him to Martz who hangs his QB’s out to dry.
Brady, Cassell and Orton were not sacked like Warner and Cutler….no where close at all.
Also Josh’s offense is better than Martz, who’s offenses have only worked at the expense of his passer.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I agree the offense is fine tho
I just know if TC goes, then so does Gilbride most likely
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
any offensive coordinator will thrive here
Eli is a friggin beast, how young our WR corps is and how many times its injured yet he continues to thrive shows how good he is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Agreed
But we need someone to take advantage of that talent….McDaniels, Turner and Haley all have had great Qb’s and young WR’s at their disposal at one time otr another and i think they would be awesome for Eli personally, especially Norv because of how he handles QB’s.
Your statement is absolitely correct though, Eli is an animal.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Only Turner works cuz of his desire to run the rock
Haley only did it cuz Cassel sucks and Charles was beasting.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Josh McDaniels...
was despised by the playeres in Denver and he lost them. He wanted robot players, just like Eric Mangini, and players have no loyalty to them. There is no reasons to ever give either of them another chance as a head coach. They are Xs and Os guys without leadership. Forget them.
We're not hiring McDaniels as head coach LOL
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Lets start
with the HC, let him worry about the OC!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Victor Cruz
proving the Jets pre season game was no fluke. The kid is a playmaker…..not bad for a nipplehead
I have been ok with the mistakes.
We have seen countless receivers go through these growing pains with dropped balls, wrong routes, etc. But Cruz gets open and he makes big plays.
And I decided last night that I REALLY like this kid when he showed some cool by not dancing after TD’s while the Giants were losing badly.
Love this kid…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
It seemed like
Eli, Cruz and Ware were the only offensive players that really wanted to win. Just Ware kinda is not all that great, but still he ran hard.
At least the O-Line played better than they did last week.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
Ware LOL
man he sucks, but I guess we all found out why TC is not giving Scott a lot of run
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
fumbles suck
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, the Oline was not terrible, and that is good.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Cruz for president!!!
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 29, 2011 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is awesome!!
Now that was a great find!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Im going to the Packer game next week...
should I have any optimism what so ever I’m not going to witness the same type of absolutely disgusting preformance
ELIte
by colinlovestheknicks on Nov 29, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions
I am going too.....
I am praying for the Giants to play like the 1998 Giants did against the Broncos! I don’t expect much but I’m praying for a miracle on Sunday!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I think the team has quit
I saw some initial ‘quit’ that I noticed during the ’03 season. Hopefully that cancer is removed quickly.
JPP really showed some heart at the end of the game.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Sneak in a flask of whiskey for pain relief
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
I would go with a 40
that dulls the pain and makes you angry enough to boo.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
no booing !!! LOL
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You'll witness a worse one.
Rodgers > Brees
DavebrownNOT
So I said "Say no to JPP @ DT"
apparently I was way too specific… I should have kept it at “Say No to DE @ DT”
man that game was hard to watch.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
How about say NO to JPP covering the flat too
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
At least he caught Graham on that fake FG
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
LOL JPP wasn't coving the flat than, he hustled out there to make that play
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
You mean when he was one on one on Sproles?
that was the worst thing ever
sigh
I forgot about that… Man that was Sheridan bad
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
JPP covering Sproles
who in their right mind would do something so crazy???? oh yeah….PERRY FEWELL
Quinn must go !!
just saying I thought he made a good hustle play
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fewell likes playing the matchups
….for the other team
That was Insanith Jpp on Sproles
Radio your a joke.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
the same reason we have Jacquain Williams covering Jimmy Graham
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
At Least JWill is A LB
I mean really I know JPP is a beast but
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I actually thought
GIVEN JWill is a rookie – he held up pretty decently… but then again, I was absolutely smashed by the 2nd quarter… I maybe wrong.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
ME 2
I was so banged up I was laughing about how bad the defense was at the End. Hysterically
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
when Ingram scored that last TD
I actually stood up and clapped, and thanked everyone for coming.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 29, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, how easy was that?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I thought he did a decent job on him
On the over throw it looked like if the ball was chatchable that JWill would have had a chance to make the play
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
JPP covering the flat was fine
the blitz didn’t get to Brees and he’s way too good a QB to not notice the brontosaurus covering Darren Sproles.
JPP still did a pretty good job covering the little bugger. Really any other RB in the NFL and JPP could cover him no problem.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He made the play
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
This isn't on JPP you are twisting it around
it was about fewell put JPP in that position…
its on the defensive guys who blitzed and Drew Brees
not Fewell, not JPP.
Brees made a great play after the blitz didn’t get to him. And that is all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone complains about predictability and creativity
then when they try things if they didn’t work everyone complains. A lot of hind sight experts here. Everything that doesn’t work is not wrong. Sometimes things just don’t work. If you are going to zone blitz JPP is the perfect guy to drop in coverage.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
That wasnt the issue
The issue is one on one battles, where they line up isnt whats killing them, they are simply not winning anywhere if you really watch.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
thats what I see
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just say NO to NASCAR
it was such an ESPN-like stupid concept to bring out the star quality of the Defensive line…
utter Hogwash if you ask me…
dumbest concept ever!
that’s why there is such a thing as a NT or DTs…not the whole line are supposed to be DEs…
PERRY learn to not even try and re-invent football…
SAM=WIL and WIL=SAM ….BullSh*t! your left is my right…blah blah blah
Another horrible DC
Fewell sucks!
Next week against the Pack is the type of game this annoying, inconsistent team wins
Everyone thinks the team is done and the coaching staff is done, and then they pull off some miracle win. Calling it now. Still probably won’t make the playoffs though.
Next week I don't see it
However, our final 4 games I could see us pulling off 4 in a row on the Skins, Cowboys, Jets and Cowboys.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
We have a better chance of beating the Pack then putting 4 victories together..let alone in a row!
I am just trying to stay positive Bad
The Giants being the Giants they probably sweep the Cowboys beat the Jets and loose to the Skins again. Than in the off season TC anounces he is keeping all the coaches and JR says we don’t need any LB’s in the draft and in the offseason TC announces that Dave is moving back to LT
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
What makes you think that?
They all of a sudden, turn a switch on, doesn’t work that way. This team has given no evidence
in recent weeks, that is even plausible?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
the giants seem to win games when everyone has thrown them out as a playoff team/contender
not that beating GB will lead anywhere or I have anything factual to back this up. I think they hit rock bottom last night.
Not trying to be rude Bad
but when is the last time the Giants have won one of these must win games, let’s not include 2007 because that so long ago.
Quinn must go !!
i think its because i dont consider this a must win game bc i think they miss the playoffs win or lose
but they did beat NE when they really needed to. this just feels like a game they win, they go to dallas and lose and then lose to the skins..just this team’s MO
Carolina 08
Must win to determine top seeding for the playoffs.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well
We apparently turned off a switch after the Pats game, I’m hoping it can be turned back on again.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously. If the switch can be turned off that quickly, perhaps it can be turned on again just as quickly
but WHAT happened to this team since @NE. insane.
could it just be
That when it geta later in the season and other teams start playing better, with more focus, Moe intensity, while the Giants sputter from lack of desire?
And could this lack of desire emerge from lack of confidence in the coaches and the schemes?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Simply put....the offense has to start fast next week or there is no chance.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Neither was No's but we still started slow.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'm not a DC but
how much longer where we going to keep running man on man last night and have them kill us. I could understand it if we were blitzing but most of the time I didn’t see that.
Is it me or would at some point you stop having Deon Grant defend someone other than Billy Graham. Make some adjustments! Damn.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
What's the adjustment
you saying we should put Sash in instead of Grant? Zone wasn’t working either,
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to say anything re: my thoughts on the subject
but what would y’all think of Jack Del Rio as DC?
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions
He just got fired right?
Good DC for the Panthers. Jax usually had good Ds. Not against it.
you know
that is such a new and refreshing name… I will ponder with that idea for a while…
1st take – I like it, I will let you know how I feel later about that. (dont forget to write a fan post about that one)
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
Doesn't matter
TC will probably retire and a new coach will pick someone else.
Makes me sick TC goes away after another season collapse
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
He runs a 4-3
Beyond that I know little about what he likes.
Who is the DC in JAX?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Was Mike Smith for many years
now its Mel Tucker (?)
Jacobs celebration made me want to smash things
Can’t wait to see him sign with a terrible team and just disappear.
He's a front running bully
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
I disagree
That TD got us within winning distance again and he frequently is the guy to get the rest of the team pumped up to finally step up and play hard. I’m be more worried if he just moped over on the sideline after running over someone like that. Unfortunately the team did not respond…
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
When does Jacobs step up and play hard?
He ran over a DB on a good TD run. Sucked basically the rest of the game.
Nope
He ran well most of the game on the plays he was not getting hit 2 yards in the backfield. People like to claim he’s sucked for years but he was the second highest yards per carry in the league last year. The O-Line just isn’t getting any push for anyone. Bradshaw wasn’t doing any better than Jacobs did last night.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Blah blah blah...13 rushes 46 yds
OLine is garbage, so is Jacobs. Jacobs is also a loudmouth meathead, so that makes him even more worthless.
well at least he trucked someone last night then
Proceeded to act like a azzhole
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Enough of his act
see ’ya, take Ware on the same bus!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Just...Just sad.......
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions
Damn....that's a dumb dog right there.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
he's actually pretty smart
he’s washing his balls
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Beat me to it except I would have said DC
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 29, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
That was me last night
even my best friend (who is a Saints Fan) stopped picking on me in the middle of the first quarter because he saw what was going on.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
Can someone get some video of DJ Ware breaking a tackle or making someone miss
After that, can you get a picture of TC smiling?
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Not fair to ask the impossible
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 29, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I can't do that but...
I can show you a tape of DJ Ware getting the ball in space making a cut and running right into a defender for a 1 yard gain
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone hear that reporter ask TC basically ask about that 'lopsided' loss
It sounded like he was giving TC a reality check. “Hey buddy, you go smoked last night. Stop telling me you prepared well”
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
TC deserved every second
of that question. The Giants deserve to be publicly embarassed.
by The Cole Train on Nov 29, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe
but not by the douchenozzle sports writers
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
The only thing I can take from last night is
The offense making some strides and good drives with so many UD FA’s on the field.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Isnt' TC the......
fumble fixer? He fixed Tiki’s fumbling problem. Has TC lost his touch? I think so.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Barber needed 6 years to figure it out
and Bradshaw hasn’t fumbled all year.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
and he's done it two weeks in a row
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'd like to see him run the ball outside of trick plays
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Yeah, sit his sorry ass.
We all know that Tiki and AB never overcame fumbling issues to become productive players.
I said it all along should have drafted Ingram or Foster.
Just a really bad draft year. We shall see what JR comes up with next year.
Good article in the Post on JR
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Let's see what Prince can do when healthy before we start saying we should have took ingram
As far as Foster <> Every year seems like groundhog day when it comes to our LB corps. Every year our LB’s stink up the joint to the point of everyone is yelling we need LB’s than the draft comes and JR looks at the camara and says we have good LB’s on the roster already you can never have enough pass rushers. And all of us praise the draft and say LB is really not all that important to the Giants.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 29, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I do
he had two touches last night, Bradshaw fumbled all last year. He almost broke a couple kick returns. Would you rather continue to see the plowhorses, they are getting it done, now 32nd
in the league in rushing. I know about the OLine, but these backs need a seam big enough
for a tractor trailer to get thru!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think the problems can be summed out rather easily
1) Run offense (Blame is on the OLine first, Injuries second, RBs third).
2) Defense (Blame is 1A-Fewell 1B- Injuries).
3) Lack of urgency/passion/leadership/toughness or whatever but NOBODY gets angry on this team until after the game. Aside from Eli, the urgency is just not there. Very few players on this team show passion and pride in their game. This team is not tough or physical in another sort.
Freakily, this team reminds me so much of the Peyton-led Colts, just not as good.
I have been saying that this team reminds me of the Colts when Peyton was all they had, it really is a good comparison.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 29, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
my take
1) O-Line was better this week than last week (not saying much but still)
2) Blame is on 1A entirely… a team cant look that unprepared with this much tape on their opponent
3)JPP looked pissed… just a matter of time before he takes this team into his own hands… Seems like HE not Tuck will be the leader of this defense… When does, you will see a different defense
and lol @ your p.s.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
my take on your take
1) Better, but that could’ve been because the Saints were 31st in Run D going in. Pass protection was pretty good but it has been most of the year.
2) Agreed. Injuries have hurt, but they hurt all teams. Saints didn’t have Vilma last night. PF is the worst.
3) JPP was angry and played angry, but I’m speaking more along the lines of getting angry, getting emotional on the sidelines, almost PLEADING with your teamates and your coaches to WAKE UP.
Fewell on the sidelines last night
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 29, 2011 9:10 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
at least the dog got up after he fell
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 29, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who should I cover the NFL leader in all-purpose yards with?
MY BEST PASS RUSHER!
whats sad is that was probably the best option
Cause JPP gave the most effort out there play in, play out.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he wasn't covering him
it was a zone blitz that didn’t work.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It was a zone blitz
the blitzers didn’t do their job. It was a good playcall, the guys on the line have to do their job.
I’d rather JPP in the flat instead of Osi, Tuck or even Kiwi.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Who can cover Sproles in the flat??
I havent seen it done yet, as a matter of fact, JPP has done the best job yet IMO
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
He should have taken a dump
like his defense did!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Your gif's
serve many functions for us Fester, but I think the humor you bring after a loss may be the most important one. ;-)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Guys - the team - like the last two years is mediocre
We’ll play well against other mediocre teams (Cards), struggle with team we should beat easy (Rams), reach sometimes and beat above average teams (NE), lose to teams we shouldn’t (Seahawks) and get smoked by good teams (Saints).
So we’ll lose against the Pack, lose to the Skins again, beat the Jets, and split with Dallas. Welcome to 8-8. It is what it is with all the injuries and lack of leadership.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Did you see that catch by Beckum last night?
it was right after that defensive stand where Osi and Tuck shared a sack.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Beckum should be on IR....just cause
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Unlike the defense.....
I can see glimmer of hope in the offense. The young guys are coming around and ELi is trying his best to be competitive. The defense needs changes at the top immediately. Since the start of the season we have made the average QB looks amazing driving down the field and pretty much scoring at will. If it wasn’t for Eli 4th quarter coming in those games we would be in worst shape at this point. Last night the defense looked so confused as if no preparation went into this game and for that I can only blame the defensive coordinator
by rbman3 on Nov 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
How do you make Tavaris Jackson look good? VY comes off the bench after 10 weeks and looked good. Even Kolb who has struggled all year.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Translation
“I can not put my brain cells on it..too hard..Radio no likey.”
When asked about defensive adjusment PF said
In his best Bro-man from the 5th floor voice " I should have done that, should have? Yes, you should HAVE brah-man!
Pathetic, embarrassing and stick a fork in NYG
Fourth year in a row no playoff and John Mara will rant and rave at about change but do nothing
If they miss the playoffs and they most likely will
TC is gone…Mara can’t protect TC again.
I imagine Bill Sheridan is enjoying this
from Hell
Sheridan got those Miami LB'z lookin good
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
5 Games left, must win 4
Can it be done?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions
well the Jets and Redskins suck, and Philly demolished the Cattleprods
so that’s 4 that can be done I’d say. Whether they do it is anyone’s guess.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Let's take some wins while we can
Philly wants to fire Reid and get rid of DeSean Jackson. If Philly does both then that is one amazing offseason.
I hate both of them but I don’t see any other Philly WR running back punts and taking 10 yard catches and going 50 yards. I wish them well on their way to the AFC …hopefully.
…and they have tons of money tied up in two people that are injured and not playing well (Vick and Nnamdi)
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
I don't like talking about this but I want an Offensive minded coach
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Giant fandom everywhere is feeling like this
Luv the ear wiggles….
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 29, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions
i remember when that thing popped
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Anyone else's head hurt this morning?
Sec. 148
by pataroons on Nov 29, 2011 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey Fester
Find the Joe Kapp video, two 70+ year olds duking it out. Kapp still has a mean right cross, LOL!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 29, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
The Defense looked lost
I mean don’t they have meetings watch tape and get a feel for the calls and gameplan? They looked confused like they just had no clue what the hell to do out their. Radio has to go!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Josh McDaniel for OC......Pepper Johnson for DC...... ill leave the HC thing up to Reese
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Maurice Carthon for OC if we're going retro with Pepper
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Pepp deserves a shot
He has been doing a good job up in NE with that D line, even though there is alack of talent.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'm sure he is behind Martin
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
LMAO
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Let's bring back Don Shula
This way we still have a old dude on the sideline that can look lost
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
This just sucks...
I was at week 2 against the rams and it was a lot of fun, but i have tickets for next week and new years day against the boys and i’m just starting not to feel so good about things, new years might be fun to see Coughlins last game with the Giants
ELIte
by colinlovestheknicks on Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions
I feel your pain
I have tickets to the last three games of the season – including Jets. I was feeling good about all of those being “meaningful” – actually, was hoping they might be playing for a bye on New Years Day. Ha! Now I just see a sad, cold, angry man sitting sitting out there.
Public Service Suggestion: Fellow Comrades
I was just asked which current Giant player’s jersey I want for Christmas. Any suggestions.
Also Kudos to the inventor of the Clapper, the clapper allowed me – last night – to clap off my ass to bed , instead of throwing the damn remote at my tv in order to make it stop – turn it off.
JPP......KP.....TT....GOFF... get someone with some fight in him
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
JPP or ELI
leaders on Defense and Offense for at least the next 5-7 years
Eli's an all time great, might as well go with him. Those ones never get old.
Nicks is having a sophmore slump in his junior year, but eventually he’s gonna lead the league in receiving.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Have to agree with JPP or Eli
Can go JPP and get in on the ground floor
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Depends on what jersey(s) you already own?
If none, get Eli, no question about it. Road white would be my suggestion.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
No leadership on defense. Eli leads by example not emotion. No Bradshaw emotional leadership on offense.
At some point injuries reach a threashold. Since Boley went out the defense has not been he same. They could not call the defense as fast as NO could execute their offensive play. Our D was often caught unprepared. They tried man coverage the TE repeatedly beat us, they tried zone the slot receiver beat Ross a least twice. They tried blitzes the WR beat us deep. They focused on rushing the QB, NO broke containment outside.
Bottom line: never expected under the circumstances that we could beat NO or GB. The question is: will this psychlogically fragile, leaderless team be able to win the last four. Unfortunately, I doubt it and so do the players. Ultimately TC will pay the price for an 8-8 or 7-9 season that was predicted coming into the season.
For once I have no complaints
Gilbride did everything I asked of him. Used a pass-first offense. Got the ball out quickly. Threw screens, slants, short backshoulders. We were in this game for 3 quarters.
Ultimately it comes down to the players not making plays. Continually dropping pases. Not paying attention. Getting pulled out of position. Fewell could havbe been better. But it was Ross who blew the coverage on the first two TDs. Caught chatting with Rolle on the first, played fade on the second before Graham moved.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
We were in the game for 3 qtrs?
What game were you watching?
DavebrownNOT
The one where we were down by 11 in the 3rd quarter
We were still in it until the very end of the quarter.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
+1
Tell me we would be 6-5 right now in August, I’m very happy.
Tell me we are 6-5 right now, fire TC.
But he does need to go, he can’t motivate this team for a full season.
I might agree with you because
We had a good team when Fassel was fired. The problem was we were going nowhere. He lost the faith of the players.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Did you ever hear what Amani
had to say about what Fassel said to some players after losses? I was a Fassel fan, not so much now…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Some point you gotta motivate yourself
All the greats do it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Defensive Game Plan
I am totally at a loss to understand the defensive game plan for the last two weeks. Fewell seems to think that he will somehow protect his weak linebackers and backs by continuing to rush only 3 or 4. Am I crazy or is this lack of pass rush giving the QB’s all day to pick apart the secondary. Fewell is one thing but why does Coughlin not step in and say enough is enough. When something doesn’t work, you change it up and try something else. As a life time fan, I am very frustrated by the coaching and GM. The poor offseason work by GM is haunting them now. The OL and linebacking corp is the weakest in the NFL. If the passing game was not so strong, the Giants would be in the class with the Colts. The fans need an explanation from the coach (S).
the funny thing is they blitzed, they rushed 4, they tried to zone blitz and play man
they just got beat.
Fewell might suck, but injuries and just the fact that the Saints are a scary offense at home just beat the Giants and that’s really all.
Its frustrating and all but sometimes (well..really most of the time) the simple blame game doesn’t work.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The players got beat more than the coaches last night
Much more. But we have to figure out how to blitz better.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
blitzing has a lot to do with timing and feel
also the guys up front pushing back their man and collapsing the pocket. None of which happened yesterday and when it did, they missed the sack or got there a second late.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 29, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Missing sacks
The Dline is missing as many sacks when they get a hand on the QB as the WRs are dropping passes. Maybe they should club the QB instead of grabbing at the jersey.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Sure doesnt
People need to watch, we didnt rush three at all, we tried most of every and anything, were we flat? yes but we just simply lost the one on one battles, Fewell could have done something, but what?
We were blocked very well and the secondary and backers were just outmatched by a well oiled machine.
I found it funny that TC alluded to how great the defensive game plan was by the Rams and how they got Brees on the ground 17 times, hmmm wonder whose defensive game plan he seems like he misses.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
3rd and 25
We rushed 3. That is wrong. Not bad decision wrong. 1 + 1 = 3 wrong. With 25 yards to go, you send the house. Force the early throw. That’s coaching 101.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Send the house against Brees??
I think the outcome would have been the same…..that O line simply played awesome.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Right
good QBs want teams to blitz. That means man to man coverage on the back-end.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
3rd and 25 is a special play
You play off-man. You force the QB to throw the ball within 10 yards. You give up the short reception, forced by rushing at least 6.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Ok
but you see it around the league not just on the Giants
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
And it means wide open spaces in the middle and who is his favorite target??
Yeah, Blitzing like a mad man is exactly what Brees wants.
and to be honest , there is too much talent on our D line to not get there with four at least a good percentage of the time.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he's talking just about the 3rd and 25
not always. On 3rd and 25 yes you send the house, or at least 5 or 6 guys.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 29, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm shocked that no one has mentioned Weatherford's attempt at making a play
I thought that is the straw that will break Coughlin’s back.
Quinn must go !!
the game was decided at that point
no one’s dumb enough to break Coughlin’s back with that straw.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 29, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Let's talk about Bill Cowher
And drafting a linebacker in the first round of the 2012 draft.
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by pataroons on Nov 29, 2011 10:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Only if it's Kuechly
Otherwise none are worth it. J Williams is going to be good when he learns the game, made some heads-up plays last night.
I want the Konz.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Screw Bill Cowher..I don't want that jerk...What good would he do?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Cowher was good because of LeBeau
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
OK
1) Bill Cowher sucks unless we have an all time great defensive coordinator. Is Dick Lebeau available? No? Stay at CBS Cowher.
2) How many drafts picks do we have in the first round? Is it an Lbaneezer we need (Zach Brown hopefully) or an OL (David DeCastro hopefully).
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 29, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Lets not talk about either of those as they both are unnecessary
Lets get healthy and get some continuity. Lets get the young ones on the line and see what they can do and go BPA as usual.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sorry I was bring sarcastic
Jack Del Rio
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by pataroons on Nov 29, 2011 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
BTW
What the hell is wrong with Brandon Jacobs??
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That was seriously wrong
You don’t do that when you are losing. Or have not rushed for 100 yards in an eternity.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Agree
but he won’t be the Giants problem after this year
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
There is a 0% chance he wears blue next year
I take that back. There is a 3% chance as he might play for the Colts.
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by pataroons on Nov 29, 2011 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Probable schedule for next year, no cause for optimism
2 vs Philly
2 vs Wash
2 vs Dallas
Balt, Pitt, Cinn & Cleve
No, Atl, TB & Carol
Chi, Seattle
DavebrownNOT
I prepared a speech
The Giants are a game behind Dallas with two to play. Its not pretty how they got here, but it’s not the worst position to be in. At least they’re not Philly. I don’t know if they have what it takes, but let’s let the season play out before we write Tom Coughlin’s obituary.
Sec. 148
by pataroons on Nov 29, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Honestly, while watching the game, the Saints offense and Brees audibled at the line of scrimmage, the Giants defense just stood in their alignment and no defensive player countered what Brees had audibled. On other defenses there are middle linebackers and players screaming to counter what the offense is doing.
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