Confusion kills drives
It seems BBV has come to a consensus in the past few weeks. Not about TC or Eli being Elite (that will never happen), but about Perry Fewell. More specifically, his decision making, and how everyone seems to hate it so much.
Watching the Ravens game last night, it's clear Chuck Pagano out-schemed the 49ers staff. I'm just going to take a look at a couple of blitzes I feel are typical for the Ravens and the Giants. Both resulted in sacks, one took a lot less time to hit home. Which one do you think involved four rushers, which one had five? Click the link for NFL.com video, diagrams below.
They only rush four. They show overload to the offensive left, drop out of that, drop their nose as well, rush Suggs alone off the left and overload the right side. The 9ers are jetting to the right with the RB crossing to pick up a LB. It doesn't matter though, because you can't slide away from the 3 possible rushers on the left, so they have their LT, LG and Center checking left. This makes the RG check the nose, so he can't really pick up the DT dipping under.
Look at that. LT through RG, all trying to block a NT who doesn't rush and Terrell Suggs, who is so far outside that only one of those four men could get a hand on him. 4 on 1. Seriously. So the RT and RB try to block the twist, but it isn't happening. My point here is, Alex Smith, me, you, and everyone else have no idea who the hell is coming and through which gap until the snap. They don't bring anyone through either A gap or the left B gap. It's a zone blitz, which is a lot less risky than a man blitz, and they still drop 7 (even if one of them is a NT).
This one is harder to read. First look at Osi, he lines up in <shudder> a 9... a 9 that is wide, comes up field, gives Jason Peters a love tap, and then drops and spies VY when he sees his rolling right. This really looks to me like a contain rush.
Now look at JPP. I can't really tell here, seems like he's trying to maintain leverage. Either way, he's clearly not assigned to take a gap- he attacks the Center head on, and he's not as strong as interior OL. I know this topic has been beaten to death around here, so I'll just say this- I don't mind it if there's some trickery, but if we are gonna throw smaller guys in the middle and not try to overpower instead of outrun Guards and Centers, then we are wasting our resources.
Tuck and Kiwi kind of twist, though it's hard to decide if that is intentional. Kiwi gets doubled, Tuck drops out of his rush the second he sees VY start rolling.
Finally, Rolle comes off the edge. Looking at alignment, he's the only other guy close enough to the LOS to be a credible threat- both Will and Mike are clearly dropping, so notice the Eagles protection- McCoy is already aligned to the right and he's ready for the rush.
No rusher makes any effort to go to a gap they weren't aligned in, and everyone is immediately (perhaps intentionally) engaged with a blocker. There is no pressure, the sack is coverage, and hustle by JPP and Kiwi.
You can complain all you want about not enough man, not enough blitzing, not enough whatever- it all comes down to this. Perry Fewell doesn't like taking risks. Last year I did a post about him moving to zone blitzes over man blitzes once the Giants had a late lead.. He likes 2 deep safeties, he likes maintaining rushing lanes against mobile QB's, and he likes keeping speed on the field so we can catch anything that gets by us.
I think as fans we get into this mode of "agreessive=success" but that's not the deal. There are times when you need to blitz and press and play cover 0. There are times when you need to play a soft zone and cover 2 and rush 3. My only point here is that Fewell leans just slightly too much towards the latter. His goal is mainly not to get burned. I don't want us to play man-press every down and rush 5-6... but I'd like to see exactly that on 3rd and 5 sometimes. Further, when we do bring some guys, whether there's 3 down linemen or 4, it would be great if they moved around and showed some looks. Make it a guessing game. Right now everyone knows exactly where our guys are coming from, and we've gotten by on having better than average guys up front. Teams are protecting with 6 and 7 almost every down (the Eagles went max protect often last week) and they're picking it up. Confusion kills drives, and right now there's no confusion over on the other side of the ball.
Alright, now that I got that down, here's a couple other thoughts, take 'em or leave 'em.
I hate when people say "we can beat anyone if we play our best." Yeah anyone can beat anyone, but some teams are more talented than others. Right now, we can't beat the Packers, Lions or Ravens for example unless they are missing some guys or play terribly. The Lions and Ravens would dominate our OL. We could win, but only with help. Along the same lines, I've seen plenty of the same nonsense on BGN about the Eagles' "when they're on." Same deal- the Cowboys played their worst game when you played your best, and the Eagles couldn't do anything like that to the top teams in the league unless the other guys played as terribly as the Boys.
Mike Mayock is the best. Great job showing the line play in the Ravens 49ers game. Collinsworth is great too. Two best guys in the bussiness for my money.
Matt Bowen and all the guys at NFP are doing excellent work. Check out his "Inside the Playbook" series.
Prince looked good. Maybe a little more next week?
Kiwi is excellent. I hate to say it, because I don't want to see him go, but if you're a team that uses rushing OLBs and you're watching him, you gotta have some interest right? If he finishes out strong, it might be worth looking at a trade- obviously only if serious value is there.
KP is playing great, it seems he has to cover up for a lot of mistakes underneath.
It was hilarious listening to all the grand predictions before the season of the Giants' demise, but with the injuries and guys like Snee and Tuck just disappearing, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we make the playoffs. Everyone was wrong about the offseason, plain and simple, but eventually these losses are gonna catch up with us. Not to be a downer, just been thinking that for a while.
I'm not a religious man, but whoever you thank, thank him/her/it for Eli. We would be similar to the Colts without him at this point. Not that he's as good as Peyton, but damn he is close and we have literally nothing outside of a great QB on O.
Some really great posts recently, especially by BBI. Makes me feel bad for being such an inconsistent contributor. Good stuff.
Happy Thanksgiving.
I want that Saints game. Bad.
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However I have to disagree with your argument that the Lions and Ravens are more talented than the Giants and they would need breaks in order to beat them. Player for player I don’t see them as having that big of an edge (if at all). Both of those teams have proven to be just as undisciplined and inconsistent as the Giants this season.
Maybe Im in the minority, but if they limit penalties, have no turnovers, and do their assignments (i.e. catch the damn ball) I feel they have the ability to beat every team in this league.
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yeah that's fair larry
I thought people would disagree with that. Maybe if you go player by player it’s debatable, but I picked those teams because of matchups- their front 7s would absolutely manhandle our OL. Beatty might do ok.
For what it’s worth, I think the Ravens would have a very hard time scoring on us.
Overall… I just don’t think we are in the top 10 in terms of pure talent. We have a top 5 QB, and the best DL in the league. That’s really it. I can’t confidently argue for us being top 5 at any other position. Maybe receiver? I just don’t see it.
Going along with that, objectively I would argue we are bottom 5 to 10 at TE, OL, and LB, and in the return game.
I definitely think there’s room for argument like you’re saying on pretty much all of that though.
I agree
The DEs for the Giants are probably #1 in the NFL as a group. Most other teams might have one top notch pass rusher, and the Giants have 3. The DTs are decent there are no stars but they are not horrible. After that the Defense is average at best. I think CB would be well above average without the injuries though. The LBs are way below average.
Eli is a great QB, and the WRs are good most of the time. The OL and RBs are not good this year, and the Giants don’t get enough from the TE position.
+1
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 26, 2011 5:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you described every team in the league
if they limit penalties, have no turnovers, and do their assignments (i.e. catch the damn ball) I feel they have the ability to beat every team in this league.
that statement applies to every team not just the giants.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
+1
difference between the best team in the league and the worst is the best team limits penalties, have no turnovers, and do their assignments and the worst team doesn’t!
FIRE Perry Fewell
Thank you for the shoutout. Excellent work, and I completely agree.
I’m as baffled as you are about why Fewell doesn’t employ more “risks.” Each one of our DL is capable of beating their individual assignments. We’ve seen it. We saw JPP flat out destroy Jordan Gross this preseason, and again against Trent Williams in week 1. Osi and Tuck have been doing it for years (though Osi was stonewalled by Jason Peters).
I mentioned that Fewell employs alot of 3 DL sets and less blitzes because he believes that having the extra cover guy helps protect the vulnerable secondary and young group of LBs. I wish he’d just realize that consistent pressure does a lot more in the long run in protecting the back end and hiding the flaws.
The one thing I’ll give Fewell is that he’s stopped dropping linemen into coverage. Bad memories of Tuck on Celek. I wish he’d incorporate more designed stunts, have more overloads, and for f—-‘s sake….stop putting JPP at DT. Also, a massive problem is that we give away our formation/blitz setup WAY too early during the QB’s pre-snap reads. Drew Brees will have ALL DAY to dissect our defense before the ball is even snapped!
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 25, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions
I've noticed that too
Haven’t seen a zone blitz this year, for good or bad.
But making em play with a 3 man front is worst imo.
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[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
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Very good stuff
Definitely agree that the Raven’s DC put up a clinic on creating confusion.
But even with that, the Ravens completely manhandled the 49er’s line. Even in the video you showed, the guy rushing on Smith’s left would have sacked him if the other guys didn’t get there.
One thing I’ve seen that most of the blitzes we have done this year seem to be poorly designed, and the other team picks them up easily. Could be confirmation bias.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Seems the same way to me
The blitz schemes don’t create enough confusion to get a free rusher to the QB untouched. Could be confirmation bias on my part too though.
by G-FANinFL on Nov 27, 2011 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll 3rd this sentiment
It does not matter how many we rush, no one gets through.
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I miss these posts you do dannymac
We all do. You have alot to offer us and should make this a weekly thing. Just sayin.
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I'm down wit JPP
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wow really appreciate that
I would love to get more of these done man. not to sound too lazy, but they take some time.
Not to mention, it’s hard to pick topics that would interest people. Generally this community is knowledgeable about the defensive side of the ball, so I think people enjoy the blitzes and coverage stuff.
It’s pretty hard to do things with the O and passing game because there are never wide shots or endzone shots in the broadcast, and I don’t get access to NFL coaching tape until schools like UMD do, which is usually at least a few months after the season.
great post but all it dos is make me angry.
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Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Excellent write up, especially the Xs and Os
I’ve felt that the Giants have been short on deception on both sides of the ball for years. It’s not against the rules to run out of a spread offense. We’ve seen BJ struggle to run in the crowds that our typical run formations engender.
I totally agree with your analysis of the pass rush, we make our guys less effective because we don’t force the offense to account for much of anything. I think at times it leads to some dispirited play. No matter what anyone says. When you feel like you don’t have a chance, it affects you emotionally and you can’t play with the same intensity.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
This was very good danny...
Burns my ass our guys aren’t pressing and rushing and blitzing…
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great post.. thanks
the only thing that you might have mentioned but didn’t is the lack of fire.. intensity on the field. very lackadaisical play on D. and you are right, B"H for Eli. without him we are indeed Indianapolis. nice job.
by smaugtheterrible on Nov 26, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions
Great post dmac, as usual.
if I could hire you as a consultant for Radio Fewell I would.
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I have to say I’m one of those that often voices my non belief in fewell. This helps me understand why he gets under my skin so much. I don’t want a blitz every down but on 3rd and 11 it seems like a no brainer. Why let the receivers get down field when you can force a check down??
One thing I do know is last week wasn’t on Fewell. Sure he could have disguised some blitzs, but that was the first time since 2005 our D held a team under 20 pts that we lost.
by hit_hard on Nov 26, 2011 9:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
this is Perry Fewell lookin at you:

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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 27, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff dannymac
You confirm what I’ve been seeing/saying for weeks now. Not enough blitzing and when PF does blitz there’s not enough creativity with the schemes. Rec’d!
FIRE Perry Fewell
by bleedblue12 on Nov 26, 2011 10:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
appreciate all the kind words
I do think Fewell is doing a good job in the overall scheme of things. He’s gotten some production out of an absolutely depleted group. I just think he’s a bit more cautious and slower to make changes than he ought to be.
He also pisses me off with how much I see Tollefson on the field. I’d rather see Canty bump out there than Tollefson. And I feel like he’s taking DE reps from JPP at times, have we seen less of JPP in terms of snap count the last few weeks?
Of course, it’s really easy for me to judge here, without millions of dollars in salary in the balance.
Excellent as always
I’m putting forward your name for our next head coach.
To see such a difference in SF’s OL play in so close of a time period, and with the entire world acknowledging our talent on the Dline, tells you that something is fundamentally wrong. Patrick Ewing is not the greatest Knick of the last 25 years if he is playing point guard. We do blitz. We are just awful at it.
The reason why that NT drop works is because it is short-term. The NT is only expected to cover the TE hot read on the blitz, which is usually a quick throw over the middle. When the Giants drop Dlinemen, they are getting pulled to the sideline. The play needs to be over before that happens.
Collinsworth is good, but he was really pulling for the Eagles last week. Questioning every play we made, and calling out uncalled penalties on us all game. Never did the same for the Eagles, even when they were visible on his replays.
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WOW
without doubt this is the best thread on BBV. This thread should be moved to the front page.
Ed, please ask DannyMac56 to create more. His insight is much better than threads posting links to articles to create discussion.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Fewell sees your confusion
and raises you predictability. Your move, bud.
and the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...
…checkmate.
He wins.

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