'Friday Five' With Pat Traina, Week 12 Edition
by Ed Valentine on Nov 25, 2011 7:00 AM EST
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PrintWe begin our post-Thanksgiving New York Giants coverage with our weekly 'Friday Five' feature. We do that, of course, with the informative editor of Inside Football, Pat Traina. Her answers to my questions are after the jump, and you can find my answers to her own interesting questions over at her site.
Ed: I am SOOOOO tired of hearing this team talk, and watching them lose games that you would think they should win against apparently inferior opponents. Can you put your finger at why this team plays a few games like that every season? Is it in the temperament of the team? Is it something that emanates from the coach? Is it just that they aren't as talented as we -- or they -- think they are? Can you find any common denominator from year to year?
Pat: I have a couple of theories Ed. The first is that the team, like you and me, is human. Just as we both have our share of days to forget, so too will a team. It's just human nature. It's not as though this team is lousy and has no talent, after all.
My other theory is focused on the feedback that we get from the veterans who say that guys don't always do their jobs. I sometimes wonder if perhaps the guys in question are the youngsters. Remember, many of these young guys have never been through a 16-game season. the college season is what, 10-12 games?
So the extra month can start to wear on the kids in their first year to where it might look as though they're not doing their job, but in fact their stamina is starting to drop off. I guess that's a long shot, but still it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
Ed: You asked me for my impressions of Mark Herzlich and Prince Amukamara. I wanted to ask you the same, so what did you think of the two rookies who made their debuts against the Eagles?
Pat: I thought Amukamara played very well in his debut. It wasn't flawless, but it gave me some hope that the Giants now finally have three physical corners to play more man-to-man coverage instead of the zone coverage which is a big reason why often times you see such gaping holes in the middle of the field.
As for Herzlich, again, I liked a lot of what I saw. There were mistakes, but the good thing about him is that he's relentless and I believe he'll eradicate those mistakes from his game. So the arrow on his stock is gong to rise and I think he's going to be a very good player for this team.
Ed: Speaking of rookies, let's talk about Da'Rel Scott. With D.J. Ware and Ahmad Bradshaw out, and nothing really getting done giving Brandon Jacobs the ball, is it time to just throw caution to the wind, get the ball to Scott 15 or so times in a game and see if he can make something happen?
Pat: Well, as I write this, we haven't seen the first injury report yet, so we don't know for sure if DJ Ware will miss Monday's game. Regarding Scott, I'll ask you what I asked my Twitter followers: do you want a guy out there who might not be as good at picking up the blitz and who poses a threat to your team's quarterback's health? I don't.
With that said, I think there are a couple of things they could do. The first would be to have the fullback on the field in third down situations (I don't believe the fullback gets on the field much on third down). We could also maybe see more of Beckum in a blocking role.
Of course in the best-case scenario, Scott is ready to pick up the blitz.
Ed: In my opinion, we are seeing WAY too much three-man line from the Giants, especially with Jason Pierre-Paul at the nose. Your thoughts on that alignment?
Pat: I hate it. JPP is a natural edge rusher. Why on earth would you not want to take advantage of that and try to make the kid into something he's not? As one of my readers pointed out in my Nov. 23 Letters to the Editor, this is appears to be a case of having too many pass rushers - they're trying to figure out how to get them all on the field and this particular alignment just isn't the way to go because JPP gets swallowed up inside.
Ed: If I was a betting man I would say at this point that this will turn into a third straight season without the Giants in the playoffs. Has this team already dug itself a hole it probably can't get out of?
Pat: I sure hope not, as from a professional standpoint, them missing the playoff means I lose out on post-season earnings. With that said, I think we're going to get our answer Monday night. Let's forget about what Dallas did yesterday because that was out of their control. What is in their control is how they play, their intensity, and their execution. If they come out and lay a stink bomb against the Saints, then to be honest, they might as well pack it up for the year because then they're going to be in a hole that's going to be difficult to get out of.
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Thank-you Pat!
for saying what I’ve been saying about Scott all season. When the back can’t pick up the blitz, or pass block, bad things happen.
Just ask Tony Romo.
by Raptor22 on Nov 25, 2011 7:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Who says that we only hav to use him in hose type of situations???
Why not trot his young ass out there on first down, or second n short or 5 or 6??? We don’t hav to strictly use him on an OBVIOUS PASSING DOWN!!! Get creative wit his young ass! Make sure we send him out and not on that obvious motion the back it wide for a screen play. Use him like they use sproles, not like we use Jacobs!
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 25, 2011 8:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes! YES! and...
YEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
It just hurts so much watching the season go down the toilet with Brandon Jacobs as our #1 back.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 25, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Any down can be a passing down.
If Scott is in the game on 1st or 2nd down it would handcuff the offense if Eli wasn’t able to check out of a run play to a pass, especially if the defense is showing blitz. It happens all the time, even on non-obvious passing downs. As much as I want to see what Scott can do, I’m not willing to put Eli’s physical well being on the line just to see what he can do.
Who says he can't pass block?
Just like you, Pat is speculating. If he can’t than our coaches suck. This guy got major playing time at Maryland for at least 3 years and has been in the NFL half a season. Demarco Murray is playing and Dallas is reaping the benefits of getting a talented rookie on the field. It’s more of just TCs conservative nature and old school mindset about playing rookies imo.
by G-FANinFL on Nov 25, 2011 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't compare Murray to Scott
Murray was a four year starter that would’ve been a first rounder if he could’ve ever stayed healthy and maybe gained 10-15 lbs (which he has) . He’s a very complete back with very little flaws and he was a good blocker in college already.
Scott is just fast. he’s got good hands and good ability with the rock, but he had fumbltitis that would’ve made young Tiki Barber seem like he never fumbled. Also he wasn’t a good blocker in college either.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 25, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Murray's a better player
but I can’t help wondering if the real problem with TC’s nature
is over-stressing not making mistakes, resulting in hesitancy
and lack of aggressiveness, even on the part of the vets.
Point is...they are both rookies.
If the coaches can’t get him in there for at least 5-10 touches at this point in the season they are bad for not having him ready or overly conservative about playing rookies. I think it’s the latter. Another example, the chiefs got Dexter McCluster several touches a game last year. Don’t tell me he’s a blocking machine.
by G-FANinFL on Nov 25, 2011 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
McMurray is in on every play...Yes he is a rookie, but they are playing him..
Are the Giants going to wait until Scot is ready to retire?..Get his ass in there..Jacobs is a big lump, AB has a hurt foot, Ware is I guess trying to remember his name…Put Scot in there..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
that's not a very good point then
all rookies are not the same.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Really? You're a genius!
However RB is the easiest position for a rookie to learn. He should be ready to get on the field for significant playing time by now. I think you understand my point though and are just being an arguementative ass.
by G-FANinFL on Nov 25, 2011 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not at all
I think your point is terrible and makes no sense. Rookies are rookies, and 7th round rookies with fumblitits take a lot more time to earn playing time then players like Murray who only fell in the draft due to injury concerns.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If you could make a terrible point it would be a big improvement
Lets look at your logic:
He is the most explosive back on the roster but we can’t get him some touches because he was a seventh rounder and might fumble. We only have two healthy backs but it’s still too risky. We were playing our veteran RB who has fumblitis but that is fine. We just can’t risk giving the rookie with the speed to score from anywhere a chance.
You're right, let's just make him inactive and run Jacobs this week.
might fumble?
that’s why the guy’s not playing, that’s why he was a 7th round pick. Jacobs has his issues, but its not even close. Bradshaw hasn’t fumbled all year, doesn’t apply to the situation.
He’s explosive, but he fumbled on his first play last week. But lets play him more so he fumbles more.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He didn't fumble
The ball popped out when he hit the ground. The official game stats don’t list a fumble for him and those list all fumbles whether they are lost or not. So, Scott hasn’t fumbled this year either.
More of your brilliant logic:
Bradshaw’s past fumblitis doesn’t apply but Scott’s does so he can’t play.
That makes sense.
it was a fumble
And Ab has proved this season the issues are gone. And that is all
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 25, 2011 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Official stats disagree and b/c you say it was doesn't make it so.
AB’s problem is gone b/c because he got a chance to prove himself. If he were held to the standard you set for Scott he would never have played this yr. Besides, Scott is returning kickoffs so the coaches can’t be overly concerned about his ball security. Seems my explanation is more likely: Tom Coughlin hates/fears playing rookies unless circumstances force him to do so.
Goodnight. I’m done with this thread and you are welcome for the schooling. No need to thank me.
ABs a vet, doesn't apply
His first two years he sat a lot as well, look it up. And Coughlin plays rookies when they’ve earned it. Good attempt at schooling I guess, but I’m better off ignoring that one.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 26, 2011 5:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It wasn't a fumble
Do you just argue for the sake of arguing bro. He was clearly down and it was rules and scored that way. How can you with a straight argue that?!
FIRE Perry Fewell
by bleedblue12 on Nov 27, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
twas a fumble.
watch it again.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Clearly down and it was ruled that he was down
on the field and it didn’t show up on the stat sheet. ALL pointing to the fact that it wasn’t a fumble but argue away!
FIRE Perry Fewell
Rorsch..
Knock it off..your not making any sense and I know your doing it on purpose LOL..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
look up Da'Rel Scott
do it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Why would I want to look him up?..
He did a good job returning kicks..no Muffs, no fumbles..He ran the ball what once?..He didn’t fumble…I say play him or perhaps you have a better idea on who of these vast number of RBs we have should play?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
you're saying I'm not making sense
yet Da’Rel Scott was a 7th round pick strictly because of his fumblitis in college. That’s why his career tailed off and that’s why I said to look him up.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Well you aren't making any sense at all..
The Giants picked him for a reason and he made the roster..and he has played well in his limited role..So play him..I don’t give a crap what he did in College..He did good enough for the organization to pick him..So play him..Jacobs is not the answer..AB may be able to comeback Monday and Ware has a headache..So who would you like to see run the ball?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I want to see Scott play, as I've said repeatedly
but I guess I’ll remain in the minority of those that see the sense in why he’s not playing.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Gimmick plays
They got McCluster touches to take advantage of his speed on reverses, direct snaps, and pass plays. He rarely, if ever lined up 7 yards deep in the backfield for traditional running/passing plays. Last year in 11 games he had all of 18 carries. Now they had a healthy Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles last year, so they didn’t need to get him that many touches.
Johnny..I'm not saying he should get a starters's workload
Just be creative and find a way to get Scott 5-10 touches a game and see if he can break one. I don’t care how they do it.
I'm with you
If they can do it without compromising pass protection.
...was not a rookie, and played behind a great offensive line
and a scheme that turned dime a dozen RBs into 1000yd rushers. Move along.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You're wrong...as usual
Rookie year – attempts 237 yards – 1,117 .
Also, that Denver running machine you referred to didn’t exist until Terrell Davis. The rest of the 1000 yd rushers were ATD (After Terrell Davisi).
Must be hard to be wrong so often. But I guess you’ve gotten used to it.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 26, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Elway is the difference
Even at that point in his career, John Elway was elusive in the pocket. He could scramble and avoid big hits. As good as Eli is at sliding around the pocket, he’s no John Elway when it comes to escapability.
2nd year
he didn’t do anything his first year. and the denver running attack existed well before Davis.
Just move along.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 26, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
You must be mentally unstable, Rorshcki.
I posted his rookie stats above…I’ll post them again and then I’m done with this.
he ran for 1,117 yards in his first season.
Here’s the link to his espn player card…
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/790/terrell-davis
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 28, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry DJ
Even though those are his stats from 1995, the year he was drafted, those are not his rookie stats b/c Ror44 says so. Maybe he will be kind enough to tell us the real stats so we no longer have to be fooled by so-called “official stats”.
by G-FANinFL on Nov 26, 2011 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fine.
But give the #$## guy more than 1 carry a game. Put him in on obvious running downs and mostly give him the ball, with 1 or 2 play actions. Right now, the coaches are being totally ignorant – in that they are ignoring that every single time he’s touched the ball he’s been successful (even the fumble last game was recovered by the Giants – karma?).
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 25, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Is it that they are not as talented as everyone or they think they are?
Good question.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 25, 2011 7:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not sure it is pack it in time if we lose to NO
9-7 could still win this division. Beat Dallas twice and the Skins, and we’re in.
I must be missing something regarding Scot...
He hasn’t hardly played, so how can anyone say he can’t block?..How can anybody say he can’t block?…Eli is taking hits with the current guys on the field…those are the ones who can’t block..and it is obvious because we watch it every week..but to put a stigma on a talented kid about blocking?..That’s nuts, it is absurd..Put him in the damn game..Let’s see if he can’t block…What the hell is the difference nobody else can block..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yup
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
If anyone out here thinks this is a done season..your crazy..
The Saints are not playing well this year..Perry Fool just needs to deliver press coverage..If he zones, and leaves a 50 yard hole for Brees to throw into, we’re screwed..Now Dallas actually got lucky yesterday..If Miami didn’t get stupid before the half by running a pass play versus running the clock out to be tied at 3..that game would have had a different outcome..and Green Bay just got a gift from Suh..If the NFL doesn’t suspend that moron, the Lions should..Then you look at the Super Bowl champion Jets..well we all know how that is going for them..So how can anybody sit here and say it’s time to fold up our chairs and go home?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Tough to argue with your points but
the facts are pretty daunting.
We do not have depth that is shown ANYTHING.
Our starters are dropping fast.
Our schedule is hard—ridiculously hard and
Our defense is a sieve.
It has been shown how to beat us.
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Well they have depth..not as deep as we'd like but they need to
Stir things up..get phonebooth in there..get anyone that wants a shot in there..that line stinks…Diehl has to sit on the bench..and I still miss O’Hara..at least he could call out blocking assignments he knew the offense and knew how to make the calls..now it is all on Eli.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Nobody..it was that question from Ed about it that irritated me..and Pats answer..
But there are alot of gloom and doomers out here..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yes I can say that
What makes you think the saints aren’t playing well??? This team doesn’t take advantage of their opportunities to set themselves apart. Right now Dallas is playing well and those two games are goin to be our pre-playoffs but by then well prally be 6-6 and one lose away from the nail in our coffin. We’re always thinking about getting help from other teams. This team isn’t capable of stepping up in big moments maybe it’s our coaching or we just don’t hav those type of clutch players that raise everyone else’s level of focus competitiveness. We need to much help even to get the wild card
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 25, 2011 8:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think people feel that way Bobbi becasue of a few reasons
1. The Eagle game, it just leaves a bad feeling in your gut
2. We’ve seen this before over the years
3. NFC is highly compatative, 10-6 might not get you in
4. Injuries are worse than normal this year, can’t replace that much talent even if the team plays well . . . think Herzlick, played hard and showed some ability but he’s not ready.
You’re dead on I mean hell if they lose the next 2 and win there last 4 and Philly loses once they’re in as division champs so it’s defanilty not over but they’ve not played well late in the season since 2002, I mean in 07 they were 4-4 in the second half same as 2010 they just turned it up for the playoffs in 07.
Bobbi i hear ya. this season IS FAR FROM OVER
And as much as I dislike the hole-jumpers I have to agree with Landeta that the way these games have played out really puts that stink into people’s minds. I am actually excited to see what the Gmen can do in the face of the schedule.
Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$
Well the Saints are not playing as well as they have the past couple of years..
They are vulnerable..They sit at 7-3..We’re 6-4 for the moment..we can beat them..I don’t see anything they have that overmatches what we have, except a shitty defensive scheme that Fewell comes up with..Our young LBs can’t play cover 2…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Jacquian and Kenny
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
If our guys play press coverage they can cover anybody.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I have a problem with the following statement
“So the extra month can start to wear on the kids in their first year to where it might look as though they’re not doing their job, but in fact their stamina is starting to drop off. I guess that’s a long shot, but still it wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case”
Becasue of free agency, Salary Cap, too many teams in the league, injuries . . .etc all NFL teams will have to rely on young kids at some point to fill in, start, or even maybe play a major roll on a team durring a season. The Giants have to figure out a way to either keep these kids fresh, or simplify there “jobs” or bring in low cost vetern FA’s to be roll players and backups to fill in instead of having to rely on so many young players.
I ignored that answer..
Because its bullshit..plain and simple…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
How come then...
The stamina from rookies in all other 31 teams does not drop off, like the ones with the Giants do? Supposedly.
Haha!!..exactly..I'd get a better answer to that question from my dog..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
That 3 man front does need some new personnell if you are going to run it.
How bout using Canty, Kennedy and Anvil…..seriously that still gives you a pass rush and a free man because at least two of them will be doubled. It also gives him the tall frame to get in passing lanes which is why i assume he has JPP in the middle. Lord knows the kid is not good enough to play nose in a 3 man yet, and i stress “Yet”.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I don't have a clue why they aren't turning people loose..
Look at who we have..Osi, Kiwi, JPP Tuck (who is still playing great while being hurt)..and Tollefson , Canty ,Joseph..How can you not put the heat on a QB with that?..It’s that damn zone coverage…
One thing I like about Dallas is how they use Ware..That guy lines up all over the place..Teams never know where he’s coming from ..a QB be sees him in one spot and points it out but then he moves..The playclock winds down and here he comes..from somewhere else…We have several players that can do that..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Did you see the Ravens last night
Bringin pressure with 4, some times 5 guys…Smith look like garbage! But he looked like Joe Freaking Montana against us! Now thats a real DC.
You are right on..
The ravens beat the hell out of Smith and we made him a pro-bowler..Our lack of using our players aggressively gives me a stomach ache…They sacked him what..nine times?..We couldn’t get near the guy…but of course you can’t if you don’t rush…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Beat the saints. Jets. Skins, Dallas (once, don't see it happening twice) we may sneak in (if the bears and falcons falter)
Heresy here but… I think NFC championship game is Dallas/Packers.
The Cowboys are winning ugly at exactly the right time and it is building confidence.
There was at least four time last night that Romo was getting clobbered and the balls still managed to find the hands of a receiver and a first down. For all his faults, the guy can make magic happen sometimes. Most of 2007 in fact — until the second greatest Giant victory ever.
Romo...
He was on one of his good days yesterday..He pulled of several miracle throws..When that guy is on top of his game he’s a very dangerous person…but he also paid the price..That’s why I worry about Eli..there are only so many beatings you can take back there at QB..but I must say..Romo threw some of the best passes under duress that I ever saw..That one drive he had four in a row near impossible passes…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
SF will beat Dallas if they play again
in my opinion. SF plays solid D. I think GB vs SF will be NFC championship.
We also saw Brandon Marshall make an incredible TD pass..
He was literally being choked to death..and still caught it…unreal
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Thoughts on #4 JPP comment
I agree with the assessment of JPP. He is a natural at the DE position from the side attack. If he is mixed into that role, expect heavier pass rushes from that side. The 3 man rush is AWFULLLLLL. What the hell do they think is going to happen when you rush 3 and allow your opponent’s quarterback all the freakin time in the world?? Of course he will carve up that LB corps. A reason why this scheme breaks down is bc opponents salivate at our dumb 3 man rush because granted they might not go long on the big play offense, but they ridicule our LBs and Fewell is not doing any of our rookies justice putting that much pressure on them. The whole point is the pass rush becomes ineffective and the Giants are known to rush to passer to make turnovers. When you arent getting that, you get huge pass yards from opposing QBs. This is a passing league, you simply CANNOT rush 3 over and over and expect results that wont devastate your defense.
Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$
I agree Giant...It's that damn zone/cover 2 killing us..
I just don’t understand not pressing on coverage and turning the rush loose..It makes no sense at all..Look how many ints we get when they press..They have the talent to make a QB run for his life every play..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
+1
Giants have reasonably big and fast CBs who like to play press.
We have edge pass rushers who can get to the QB
Now if we can just fill in those gaps in the middle this is a D that could dictate the action, not react allthe time.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
can they push Tuck inside
if they wanna run that stupid scheme. He has all but admitted he’s having a crappy year so move him to the end spot and let JPP take a turn at the right end.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I was also thinking that very point..
I think that could be of help..Tuck isn’t playing crappy, he just feels crappy and is being honest..Maybe moving him inside would take some pressure off of him..Playing DE is very tough when your hurt too many responsibilites..Inside he could stuff the running attack..and JPP could play end..He should be able to handle that position..Then move Kiwi all over the place like Dallas does with Ware..but this is a mute comment if they don’t play press coverage…QBs salivate over that buffer we are giving them..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Giant season finish that wouldn't surprise me:
We take down the Saints.
End Green Bay’s run.
Beat the Boys in their house.
Pathetic loss to Redskins.
Irritating loss to Jets.
Last game at home against the Cowboys to determine if we’re playoff bound.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all.
good thing I stocked up on scotch
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 25, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I hope my man Jolly is wrong or I may have to go buy a bottle of that battery acid..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I just figure that whatever the Giants do
it will be a gut-wrenching affair, best weathered with battery acid, beer and barbecue.
Hahahaha!!!..yep
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The 3 essential "B's"
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
informative editor...
Really? She never puts herself “out” there on this site.I outlined last week quite a few plays
regarding Scott that doesn’t involve one iota of pass blocking, wrong Pat.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Yeah that he can't block shit bugs me..
Who the hell is blocking for Eli now?..nobody..Saying a guy can’t block when you haven’t even seen him play is idiotic..and yeah this Friday with Pat stuff is great for us to talk about more important issues..because you can’t glean anything out of the exchange…If it makes her and Ed a few bucks then that is great..but beyond that it is useless and uninformative..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
But Bobbi
if it weren’t for Pat we would be deprived of your fun rejoinders.
I consider her fodder for Bobbi, resulting in LOL’s for me.
LOL!..
Jolly I can’t believe I actually read this particular article..I’m going to wind up with cateracts
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
We could also maybe see more of Beckum in a blocking role.
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Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I've got it!
Let’s put Beckum at left tackle. It’s not funny, but how much worse could he be than Diehl?
by Ed Valentine on Nov 25, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Scott
It’s not all or nothing, we all know Jacobs isn’t doing it, and Ware isn’t going to carry the load, rotate him in a bit. If he if missing things, cut back on the load, but it sounds like a good time to at least give him a shot.
Well it is what it is..I'm not buying into that 'collapse' jazz
This team can win..they just need to fix some things right quick..I’m not going to to re-type my thoughts..they are meaningless and really the only guys that can right this ship is the guys coaching..and the players..What we see and say doesn’t mean a thing at all after you boil the water..We just watch and vent our frustration..We can’t tell Gilbride how to coach an offense and we can’t tell Fewell how to coach a defense..and we can’t tell TC how to be a head coach..It is up to them to figure it out..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
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