Pro Football Focus Weekly Review, Giants Vs. Eagles
by Ed Valentine on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM EST
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We have spent a lot of time since Sunday night talking about a couple of specific things in regards to the New York Giants performance in that loss -- the pitiful play of the 'Invis-O-Line' and the lack of pass rush from a team that is still in a three-way tie for the league lead in quarterback sacks.
I thought I would use this week's Pro Football Focus Review of the Giants non-performance Sunday to further illustrate exactly where the problems were on both fronts. PFF has posted its weekly numbers, which are subscriber content only, but also has some very interesting observations regarding the blocking and the pass rush in its review of the game.
Here is PFF discussing the lack of pressure on Vince Young, and detailing just how often the Giants sent extra pass rushers:
"It wasn't just the Giants' top line pass rushers that struggled to make an impact in this game. Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, Jason Pierre-Paul and Chris Canty may have combined for only one sack and four pressures but the supporting cast was invisible as well. In fact the only Giant defender to gain a positive grade for his work as a pass rusher or blitzer was debutant Mark Herzlich (+0.9) who recorded two pressures on his five forays after Vince Young. As a team the Giants registered pressure 10 times on 40 Philadelphia pass plays, sending 177 players at Young for the entire game. On average they sent an extra rusher every other play but only recorded pressure on one in four pass plays, an extremely poor return for a team usually so adept at pressuring the opposition passing game. This may be an aberration from the Giants pass rush, but it couldn't have come at a worse time."
As bad as the offensive line was, PFF had particular scorn for the "borderline abysmal" play of left guard David Diehl:
"The move back inside to guard was supposed to re-invigorate the career of David Diehl (-9.8) but if anything this season has shown that if Diehl ever was any good at guard his time out at tackle has taken it out of him. Diehl's return to the interior of the offensive line has been far from seamless and his display on Sunday night was as bad as any he put in during some shoddy seasons at left tackle for the Giants. Diehl gave up two hits and five pressures in pass protection but it was his work as a run blocker that was most alarming (-6.1). Diehl is often lauded as a good run blocker out at tackle but his play this week was borderline abysmal. The Giants gained only 19 yards on seven carries to either side of him and he had particular trouble with Derek Landri, giving up two tackles to the Eagles' back up of two yards or less."
Here are the grades.
Offense
Eli Manning (+3.1)
Victor Cruz (+1.5)
Mario Manningham (-1.1)
Brandon Jacobs (-1.8)
Jake Ballard (-2.1)
Chris Snee (-4.3)
Will Beatty (-4.4)
Kareem McKenzie (-8.8) ... At -17.8 for the season, McKenzie is ranked 67th out of 74 tackles graded by PFF.
David Diehl (-9.8) ... At -26.1 for the season, Diehl is now the lowest-ranked player out of 78 guards graded by PFF.
With those grades it is hard not to see why the Giants could not run the ball. By the way, PFF says the Giants ran right seven times Sunday for zero yards.
Defense
Prince Amukamara (+2.9) ... PFF says Amukamara was "worth the wait," and off his debut it is hard not to agree.
Osi Umenyiora (-1.1) ... Jason Peters swallowed him up, allowing just one pressure.
Dave Tollefson (-1.7)
Antrel Rolle (-2.8)
Justin Tuck (-2.9) ... Obviously, this is still an imposter in the No. 91 jersey.
Linval Joseph (-3.9)
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i think its awesome he is the best at being the worst G in the game.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
The Best At Being The Worst!
Gotta love it! Well, you don’t have to love it, but that is a great line.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 22, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I hope
you noticed McKenzie was nipping at his heels? You thought he was playing well, really?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 22, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
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WE’RE #1
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
more like
WE’RE #1(at being #78)
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Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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reasons like Diehl's play
is why TC needs to go. He’s too loyal. It’s obvious to the entire world except TC that Diehl is terrible.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
This is the difference
In him and a Bill Bellichick or Andy Reid they get rid of players a year early and TC likes to get rid of player TOO DAMN LATE! Not even a yr, he’s been piss poor for 3 straight years but o’hara and suebert and Snee were making up for him
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 22, 2011 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wanted him gone
after last season, but…lets wait and see how this plays out?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 22, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
who does he get replaced with?
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
+1
TC keeps sticking with his turds even though they are costing the team bad.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 22, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Why TC?
why does he get the blame. he just coaches the players that are there. JR needs to take all the heat for this one. He has ignored the Oline for far too long. He put this piece of shit unit on the Giants Stadium field.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Positives
Lost in all the negativity – mine included – has been the play of Herzlich and Amukamara. Herzlich was all energy, I know he missed on the long play by the TE but it was his first game, starting. I hope to see more of him, I would also lobby to see more of that MFTylerSash!
What was Herzlich grade?
depending on Boley i dont think we see much more of Herz until after NO n GB.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Herzlich?
He was the guy responsible for the Eagles game winning TD.
Matt Bowen wrote a great piece detailing how. Essentially he was supposed to drop back and cover the window where Young hit Cooper, instead he basically got lost and half tried to cover the TE. That left a big hole for Young to find Cooper.
Here’s the video. And Justin Tuck basically called him out for it after the game.
It’s a case of a guy doing a little too much instead of just doing their job. We had a guy underneath it, went to jam a receiver, kinda took him out of his zone, and Vince Young made one of those throws that went between two guys. If our guy does what he’s supposed to do, without doing too much, he’s standing right in that throwing lane. But what happened is the guy a came around underneath, he’s trying to jam the receiver, takes him out of his lane, and (Young) throws it right behind him.
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That is true, Jason
Problem is you are calling out a guy playing in his first NFL game. Linebacking is an issue for the Giants not because of lack of talent, but because of lack of experience.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 22, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Oh totally. I’m not saying that the guy wasn’t in over his head (as anyone would be in that spot). But it did happen.
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truth
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
"not because of lack of talent...."
We’ll see.
The Giants’ rookie LBs were low round picks (or, in Herz’s case, an UDFA) for a reason. Whether they have the talent to be more than this-year’s-Chase remains to be seen. JWill probably has the best shot, simply because of his speed. Jones is slow sideline to sideline, and ditto Herz (for no fault of his own)
by NorthwestFan on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Herzlich was a UDFA because he was recovering from cancer
he was a 1st-round talent before that. If he can recover to the point where he is close to the athlete he was pre-cancer, then he will be fine. His IQ, heart and determination already makes him better than most. JWill certainly has the talent, we just have to hope he has the IQ. We shall see on that one.
Greg Jones…I’m thinking he’s a no. He looks so slow and so lost in pass coverage, don’t know how smart he is either.
Amen to that...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I used to get killed when i said Greg Jones is horrible sideline to sideline
Now you all see the light.
I loved GJ in college but i said from his first few plays, i can see why he slipped in the draft.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
This is classic
JR trying to bargain his way to a good player……hoping he gets back to what he was!!!! C’mon man sometimes u jus gotta pay your way to get what you need. Bargains dont always workout as well as you think. I know Herz needs time but I’m jus sayin his philosophy on certain positions in general
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 22, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is classic
JR trying to bargain his way to a good player……hoping he gets back to what he was!!!! C’mon man sometimes u jus gotta pay your way to get what you need. Bargains dont always workout as well as you think. I know Herz needs time but I’m jus sayin his philosophy on certain positions in general
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 22, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No I agree on other players
but I think Herz has great potential.
Well i dont think he tried to bargain this one because
He understood that he had Goff who was ready to take the D over completely this year and he also knew he had Kiwi coming back and Boley here….not to mention Sintim so he thought he could backfill the position with youth and also help ST and i think he has done that.
I do agree that sometimes you just gotta pay for what you need but i didnt and dont think we “Need” LB’z… we have the talent in house, especially now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Goff looked like our breakout player in preseason
He was still excellent in run support, had become assertive and in charge as the headset guy and he was no longer awful in pass coverage.
Guys like Herz, Williams and Jnes were supposed to energize specials, and fill in for a half or a game, not make up 2/3s of the unit
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Couldn't agree more. I'd much rather a guy who WANTS to play make a mistake
then continue to watch some of these bums allow the eggs to come in to our stadium time after time and humiliate the fan base. And until Justin Tuck actually makes a play, maybe our captain should just keep his mouth shut. I know he’s hurt. I get it. I get he’s trying to gut it out. But he’s been invisible. If he’s ailing that badly, then shut it down dude and let someone who is healthy give it a shot, because that poor a performance week after week isn’t helping this team.
by nygmen123 on Nov 22, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Truth
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Not happy about Tuck throwing stones either
If he was the leader he’s supposed to be he would realize our best chance to win right now is JPP playing and him sitting. Sorry Tuck but the truth hurts….PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!
FIRE Perry Fewell
pump um bro! Tuck was asked , what happen on that play?
He answered by saying( without naming names) what happen.
Chill
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
There was no need to go into detail like that players always give vauge to questions like that...
completely out of line and Tuck should know better. Especailly the way he’s been stinking up the joint. How about saying “maybe if I got to the QB every once and a while our D wouldn’t suck”. Or maybe being a real leader and realizing he’s hurting this team with his play and step aside for JPP who should be playing over him or Osi pick one!
FIRE Perry Fewell
i think hes in a tough spot , hence him coming out and saying how shitty hes been playing.
Real “leaders” call them selves out when they are not playing up to snuff. He’s hurt ,but also needs to lead , if he is hurting the team ,the coach needs to sit him . What he said and I listen to all his weekly interview s on YES , was not at all ill mattered.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
That's the problem with reading
you can’t get the tone of the interview. I didn’t see this paticular interview but from reading it, it definitely rubbed me the wrong way as a fan so I could only imagine how Herlizch feels.
FIRE Perry Fewell
im as critical as the next guy ,but when i heard it said i didnt even think twice.
I knew who he meant only Because CC called him out after the TD. Otherwise I still don’t know.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Yeah
Freaking Tollefson is probably a better choice at DE than Tuck at the moment. He’s had more sacks in very limited play time.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
a mistake? Yeah....the amount of good plays he made vastly outnumbered the missed assignments.
Unfortunately that one cost us the game, but that’s how it goes I guess…
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I would go with our O line cost us the game...
Like Dodge last year againse philly. Not one person cost us the game. VY converted 3 3rd downs before that play.
To err is human.
To forgive is divine.
Neither is Marine Corps Policy.
by Big Blue in tx on Nov 22, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't cost us this game. 29 yards rushing. Zero pass protection. Zero pass rush. THAT cost us this game.
Not one rookie being one of the few guys that showed up to play. Geez guys, get your heads out of some orifices here. WE DIDNT COME TO PLAY!!!! I WAS THERE!!!! THEY WERE HORRIBLE!!! Herz, Kiwi, and Canty were all over the ball. Don’t know who else showed up on the front line. But it sure wasn’t our captain or Osi.
by "cost us the game" meaning he made one mistake that gave up the gamewinning touchdown.
I said, literally in the line right above that, that he made more good plays than bad.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Dude I go to all the games too
but that doesnt mean every post you make we need to be reminded. Being there doesn’t make your opinion any better than someone who watched on TV. I agree with what you’re saying but being there is irrelevant in the point you’re trying to make.
FIRE Perry Fewell
It allows you to see the whole field, as you well know. Much different than watching on TV.
Surprised you didn’t notice that.
For some things, yes being there gives you a better perspective
like play development, route combinations, and secondary scheme. For most things though, like seeing the team was being manhandled is just as obvious on TV. In fact, I always tivo the games because some things you miss at the game you wouldn’t miss on TV.
FIRE Perry Fewell
I wont kill the kid for chipping the TE as he passes by.
Being as the crossing rout lost us the SF game and allowed S Smith to score. He did too much on that play
But was solid the rest of the game and dam did he get lift off on Young.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Well, you should kill him for it because it wasn’t what he was supposed to do. And if you see the video, he really got lost on the play. It was like he didn’t know whether to cover the TE or fill the window. In fact it almost seems like his instincts told him to go after the TE and he realized “oh crap I just blew my assignment in the zone,” but it was too late.
But obviously this is an undrafted rookie in his first start. That’s an incredibly tough spot to be in.
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the reason i wont is because im positive the LBs have been getting screamed at
About the underneath crossing rout. So it may not have been his responsibility to do so , it may have seeped in to do something. Disappointed ? Yes. Kill him? Nah.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
it was a costly mistake
but it didn’t solely cost us the game. There was five other 3rd down conversions on that drive including a 3rd and 3 run, 3rd and long pass, and 3rd and 3 with a missed tackle with the CB playing 6 to 8 yards off the LOS.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
If 3rd and 10 at goal had been incomplete
And Herz had done everything right, we still would have lost b/c we would have been down by 3 and when Cruz caught pass and ran to 20 yrd line, we would have gone for win and not for tie. So Eli would have still had ball knocked out. Didnt matter. All falls on O Line, IMO.
DavebrownNOT
Isnt that exactly what most
of the posts on this site are doing?
DavebrownNOT
tell that to people who say we'll collapse again
because “we’ve collapsed before”
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
butterfly effect
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
chaos theory
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
It sure is what he was supposed to do
He did the right thing, its what the play tells him to do, more of credit to Vince’s quick throw and off CB coverage than it is a problem with how Mark played it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
With all due respect
You are full of baloney Jason. Herz did exactly what he was supposed to, jam the TE then drop. If he just drops into his zone guess what, Celek is open for the TD. How would that have been better. If Grant had been able to hang a little tighter it would have forced Young to wait for Cooper to get separation which would have given Herz time to drop into the zone. Problem is Grant is too slow. It didn’t help that Rolle just stood there twiddling his thumbs. My guess is he had contain for the QB scramble, but he could have hung a little more in the zone to again force Cooper to cross farther.
Exactly 777
It was the typical bump zone read, jason is not understanding that Celek would have probably ran a whole other route if he wasnt bumped, Herz played it perfectly.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Nope. Tuck called out Herzlich on the radio last night, and then Antrel Rolle did the same today. Cris Collinsworth identified it immediately on TV as well. That’s two defensive starters, and an expect on game film. Both Giants talked about that play specifically and both had the same message – that guys need to stop trying to do too much and just do their jobs. Herzlich was 100% at fault.
If he doesnt jam Celek
it’s Celek walking in for a TD and the players are killing him for not putting a jam on. Bottom line play was called it didn’t work and now we move on. Tuck and Rolle should both worry about their own sub par play.
FIRE Perry Fewell
No. They were playing cover two. It was the safeties job to get Celek.
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Correct..unless they had Herz mapped out in a coverage scheme
that is abnormal..that was on the safety..As far as ‘just doing their jobs’ I’m all for that..I don’t know what the hell they are doing out there..other than know it ain’t working..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
What?
Are you referring to Grant who was chasing Cooper or Rolle who went to what I can only assume was QB contain or Phillips on the other side of the field. If it was cover two the safety has no business with the TE untill he gets past the LB up a seam. I have to rewatch it just to figure out what you are trying to claim.
"when you point the finger at someone else, i have three fingers pointing right back at me"
if anyone actually gave a shit that game, it shouldnt have had to come down to whether herzlich got back there in time
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
As bleed points out
he doesn’t jam Celek it is still a TD, just Celek catching it instead of Cooper. I don’t want to hear about Rolle throwing the rookie under the bus when he just stood there on that play doing nothing. I don’t want to hear crap from Tuck either who is hurting this team by not just admitting he isn’t right and shutting it down. Grant was getting burned on that play too. How about these supposed veteran leaders step it up and do their job rather than bad mouthing a rook who was actually playing hard trying to win the damn game.
Collinsworth by the way was pointing out that Herz was trying to do the right thing but just couln’t cover the ground back to the spot quick enough, which nobody could have.
Tuck called nobody out.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
yes he was but had Collinsworth not said anything after the TD
I would still not know who he was speaking of. I heard it live and Tuck was far from calling anybody out.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Even if Collinsworth hadn’t said anything, I was going back to look at the film anyway, which is what I did. I hadn’t remembered Collinsworth diagnosing the play immediately. Found it surprising that he had. Watching it live, I was busy high-fiving my cat, dog, and wife, and missed the replay. So I still would have realized he was talking about Herzlich, even without the help of Collinsworth.
Again, Tuck didn’t mention him by name, and it’s not like he was ranting and raving on air. He delivered his message calmly. But he was definitely singling out Herzlich.
i know .
He pointed out what went wrong and what was said on the sidelines . Wish I could post the you tube link………… What’s read is often heard differently then when said..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
good so we agree.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Disagree. Kiwi is right there with Celek, but lets him go once he sees that the ball is out of Young’s hands.
Celek is pushed into Kiwi by Herzlich
watch the play VY even looks at Celek first. If he doesn’t get a jam there it’s a TD bro. Argue until you’re blue in the face. I watched it at the game and then I came home and watched on Tivo. Herzlich did what he had to do!
FIRE Perry Fewell
Ha, I’m not even the one arguing with you. Tuck and Rolle are. I think Tuck and Rolle know the design of the defense better than you and me.
Maybe not considering how horrible this defensive scheme is
FIRE Perry Fewell
by bleedblue12 on Nov 22, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s not pushed into anyone. Celek is running a crossing route in front of the LBs with the specific intent of getting the MIKE (Herzlich) to bail on his zone coverage.
Celek was never the first option on that play.
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Dude, I get that you're most of the time respectful, but please, we try to stay off your site
when you’re licking your wounds. Please give us the same respect. We’re here venting. We don’t need an egg fan over here telling us about our team.
Dude... seriously. You're going to blame an energetic rookie for this loss? Get real. Watch the game.
This team STUNK! Kid brought some energy. You’re exactly the kind of fan that supports TC sitting guys until they are damn near over their first contract!
Yep
Kid got beat move on….not the reason we lost the game.
He was the best option to play and I am looking forward to good things with Herz.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Agree, but hopefully that will change.
He played better than expected for his first game. That was one costly mistake, but I doubt he makes it again after a couple more games under his belt.
The guy is a monolith and while he’s definitely lacking in the wheels department, he makes up for it a good deal with his instincts and ability to get to the ball by reading plays quickly.
A little more experience and I think he stays right there in the lane and is able to tip or even intercept that ball (if its even thrown). Saw it in the preseason, and I have a hunch we’ll see it again.
I see Blue, he looks glorious!
Agreed
I mean it’s cool he’s back from cancer but that’s the only reason why people aren’t calling him out. He also missed a tackle on Jackson’s punt return.
by The Cole Train on Nov 22, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
dude has bin great on STs. so lets kill him for missing a tackle on D fucking Jackson ?
He played great against the run and for the most part did more then was expected. Breathe homie
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
LOL
saying what happened is killing him? It’s only beacuse of his cancer people think he played well. Yeah screw it let’s not talk about the Giants this week sicne everyone basically sucked and we can’t do that here
by The Cole Train on Nov 22, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
yeah thats how it works , see Fox "news" and MSNBC . u will get one side of a story ,much like u did there
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uhhh i don't think cancer is why people think he played well
because cancer certainly had nothing to do with it. thats just dumb man
Good point...
Shouldn’t 26 have gotten/dropped into coverage? after all Cooper is a wr…26 seemed out of that play completely but that’s not here nor there.
Actually Jason
He is supposed to jam the underneath receiver if he comes out, its his first priority, then he is supposed to fall off into his zone……. He did the right thing, now the coverage should have been tighter on said receiver allowing him to recover to his zone a little quicker.
Mark was absolutely correct, thats a common bump zone read, it wasnt his fault more of just a perfect quick route and throw by Vince and company.
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I couldn't care less what either of those guys said
Rolle is a blowhard and Tuck is becoming one as his play gets worse….figure that one out!
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T fellow Giants fan: We are being trapped by an eagles fan who wants to insist that our rookie is bad so that maybe fans go against that talented kid.
Then he is quoting our loud mouths who under performed in that game.
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It’s not an “eagles fan” saying this. It’s Justin Tuck, Antrel Rolle, Chris Collinsworth & Matt Bowen.
Everyone sees what happened except a few Giants fans who just want to excuse Herzlich.
Excuse him for being a rookie who had never played before being in a very tough spot. That’s understandable. Don’t excuse it by pretending he did what he was supposed to do. Fact is that he didn’t cover Celek on the play either.
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Dude. Just go away. Funny how none of you guys wanted to talk when we humiliated you in your stadium a few weeks ago.
As I recall, there were bans all around just for posting “good game”. So do us a favor. Get out.
Let me add what nygmn123 said: Do not let the door hit your behind
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Just a refresher.
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That was not on Herz..He did his job
I don’t care what Rolle and Tuck say..They probably already saw it on film..They owe him a retraction..Shit if I can see it, then they better be able to..
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If they just all (players who are playing that day) show up and beat Saints, I am happy.
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I don't care what Bowen says
the fact is he chucked Celek coming off the line, no MLB is going to get nine yards deep in the
endzone from that point of the field. Grant was standing there like he was taking a photo.
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by Great Gatsby on Nov 22, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
And 26, was just as guilty as 34 was.
I hope throwing Herz under the bus doesn’t hurt his willingness to play and contribute. That was low bro.
I'll tell you this
the way Tuck is playing, STFU and start playing some ball!
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by Great Gatsby on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
He didn’t have to get 9 yards deep. He was just supposed to fill the window
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which he did, a second late
Young made a good throw, the safety didn’t do his job as well. And I think you have another Giants article to write for BGN.
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He obviously didn't
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Why argue with an egg fan? They have nothing better to do then focus on other team's problems.
They never look in their own back yard. Sorry, I meant alley.
the problem with that
is you could see from the end zone and 30-yard line cameras that had ‘Lich not jammed the TE, then Young dumps it off to him at round the 6 when he has a pretty wide open path to the end zone. I think it was a damned if you do, damned if you don’t moment for him.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not true
Kiwanuka was standing right there. Look at the video. There’ s no way you can say he made the right choice. His own teammates have said as much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9z-7rJfq_c&feature=player_embedded
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his own teammates have been confused with the scheme all year
if all you have is “his teammates said it”, you don’t have a spec of evidence that Herz did the wrong thing.
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There’s the video and the fact that every expert as well as Giants player who reviewed the play said what he did was wrong.
Just watch the video. He’s caught in no man’s land. It’s obvious.
Chris COllinsworth said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9z-7rJfq_c&feature=player_embedded
I like the call from Giants’ DC Perrry Fewell to play Cover 2 on a third down situation in the 4th quarter. Force the ball to go underneath to Celek, make a tackle and play for a FG. However, as I have detailed before, playing Cover 2 in the red zone can be an issue if the Mike Backer doesn’t get depth at the snap of the ball. Here, the Giants’ Mark Herzlich (highlighted in red) steps up vs. Celek—and that’s all the room V.Y. needs to make the throw. Herzlich should open his hips to the passing strength, play with depth and take away the skinny post.
- Where are the safeties? In Cover 2, this is on the Mike. Both safeties will overlap any throw inside of the numbers. We see it all of the time out in the field vs. the vertical game, but down here in the red zone, the safety has no chance to make a play on the ball. These routes break at shorter depth inside of the 10-yard line and the throw takes less time to get there.
But maybe they’re all wrong and you’re right. Maybe Herzlich was supposed to not cover anyone.
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I didn't say Herzlich was supposed to cover no one, you did
I said Herzlich was late in getting to where he was supposed to. He tried to knock Celek on his ass (go head, actually watch the video instead of just posting it relentlessly) and it cost him. That is all.
And again, I don’t care what the players say. They don’t have a clue on what they’re doing in this system week in and out so why would anyone in their right mind trust what someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing says? Go head, by all means. And Collinsworth just likes to hear himself talk.
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Agreed
This play specifically puts the MLB in no man’s land if the offense does exactly what it just did. Send the TE on a cross or a read look (where he can just stop his route in the zone and catch the quick dump) and a guy behind him. I dislike playing zone inside the 10 very much and this is a good illustration why. There needs to be people on bodies at all times when the ball has so little space to travel.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Looks like Celek has an option route there. If Herz bailed out he could just turn and get the quick hit pass and Herz is in the spot of having to charge back down and hope to get Celek befor he scores, not gonna happen. Bad play call for Fewell, good play call for the Eggs, combination of the two, either way Herz was in a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation. Things were only made worse by the fact that Grant got beat like a rag doll. It’s just easier to blame the rook than the vet though. Rolle also was useless on the play. Part of that is the stupidity of using that play in that situation. Rolle is left with nobody to cover and just stands there. He could have carried Cooper farther before passing him to Grant and that would have helped to, but don’t expect Rolle to man up to being anyway at fault. I wish that guys game was as big as his mouth and ears.
Actually, you're incorrect
If you look at the camera starting at :22, if Herz is bailing to cover the guy behind him, then Celek just stops the route, turns around and gets the ball. Kiwi is looking the other way (his right) – even moving that way a hair – and wouldn’t get to Celek in time.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
you're acting like he was Casey Matthews out there
the guy played well. He overplayed a chip on that play, it happens.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 22, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LJ didnt put a ton of pressure on da QB, but was stout against the run . dont get his rating.
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Yeah, the hell were they watching on that?
Agreed on everything else. Especially David Diehl and Victor Cruz…though Cruz should have maybe had a slightly higher grade.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the Eagles threw a lot more than they ran. So if he was only effective on a third of the plays then that might explain it.
I don’t know if he was actually out there for most passing downs so that might not be true, but it could be an explanation.
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for some reason fuel likes having DEs play DT on 3rd. down so no most of the time he was not.
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Alot of teams do
Fewell likes his pass rushers playing DT on 3rd downs, nothing wrong with that except Tuck is hurt and shouldnt be inside right now but i dont have a problem with it.
Barry played most every 3rd down last year, i think he just goes with the best rushers…..If Chris Canty played up to his potential every game he would be rushing as well.
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There is something wrong with it Gates
it doesn’t work…the DEs playing DT get washed out of their lanes opening up the pocket for a great throwing lane and some not so mobile QBs have scramble for big yards. So the thing wrong with it is IT DOESN’T WORK!! Hasn’t in a long time!
FIRE Perry Fewell
Was Kendrick or whatever his name is back?
If not we only have 3 healthy DTs…they need wind.
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
so u still dont replace both DTs on 3rd down for 2 DEs
It’s retarded. Rest 1 if u like ,no need to have 4 DEs on the field at one time.
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Agreed
Don’t like it either but there has to be good reason he does this. Ideally you would like 4-5 DTs available to rotate if needed. But hey, we have Beckum, Thomas, Clayton, Jernigan, and Ramses doing jack.
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
They threw a lot more than they ran? Got numbers on that? They tried quite a few runs, actually.
We completely shut down the running game. And when they figured out that we weren’t getting ANY pressure, they began throwing.
So I was right?
The Eagles threw more than they ran?
And if you need numbers. The Eagles had 42 called pass plays and 26 called runs. So yeah, they threw a lot more than than ran.
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Dont get the Antrel Rolle rating either
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I don't closely watch other team's lines
but the last two years I keep thinking there cannot be a worse starting lineman than Diehl. Finally I have some statistical proof.
listen to the FAN right now
Antrel is on and he’s pissed
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
Kinda tired
of these guys going on their radio shows after the fact and getting pissed off there.
The game is over and there’s not a damn thing any of them can do about it now. They should have been more pissed when they were getting pushed around by a team that has kicked them in the nads mroe than any other over the last three-plus seasons.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
i'm annoyed that they weren't up for the game
but i like how they’re angry. no boring “Well, we’ll move on to the next one… We didn’t execute… They were better…” this game really hit home for Rolle at least, and seeing some of the comments by other players it pissed them off too. i like this angry team
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
Yeah
but it’s still too little, too late IMO. It’s nice for us pissed off fans to hear them say it on WFAN, but they’re all just empty threats if it’s not taken care of on the field.
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I don't agree
i’m annoyed that they weren’t up for the game
I don’t believe they were flat. They were easily manhandled by the Eagles.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
They were incredibly flat.
Kiwi and Herz were the only player that looked pumped for the game. And Jacobs, but he’s damn near useless.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 22, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
KP looked pumped
Webby, AR and Prince did as well….the whole defense came out pumped up, they werent flat at all until the end of the 4th.
The offense was flat all day.
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+1
That’s what happens when your offense is that bad.
The defense started the game very well, but by the 4th, they were just too tired from being on the field so much.
That’s my take. The D played well enough to hold them to 17 points. If the offense had managed to help them out even a little bit, I think they would have had enough left in the tank to get the eggs off the field on one of those 3rd downs on their last drive.
The offensive line play lost this game for us, plain and simple.
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by BleedBigBlue on Nov 22, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Amen
The D was playing with the required fire and passion.
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think the soft zone coverage
gives the appearance of the defense looking flat. And maybe they subconsicously do pick up this passive mindset when they play zone.
Fewell is basically neutering this defense in order to try and protect the depth problems at LB and CB. It’s obviously not working.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
To this too
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Boley
didn’t appreciate the pathetic comment by TC, little thin skinned there Michael?
You know what I say, TS, get over it!
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by Great Gatsby on Nov 22, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY!
You’d think that with them wounded and nearly out, our guys could have mustered some kind of performance instead of letting them kick us in the balls again in our own stadium. Repeatedly. But nope. This team has no heart. Love to run their mouths after a loss, but no heart.
Our Oline sucks=no heart?
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Uh yeah. When you get humiliated in your own building year after year, and the other team
is missing its number one receiver and starting QB? Yeah, I’d say they played with no heart. Not a real big stretch there.
As for them not having offensive starters, our defense did hold them to 17 points. Its our offense that lost. Our OL cost us the game more than any other unit.
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Uh negative.
Nothing to do with heart. Their D was on fire and our line has two of the lowest rated linemen. Our D has been playing to the other team and not dictating. Maybe Spags can give us a heads up for NO.
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 23, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Agree 100%
It is excuses now. Instead of telling us angry fans that they are sorry they blew the game they are saying they are angry too. A very stupid reverse psychological excuse.
Seriously Giants players just go well prepared and adjust soonest necessary and you can win games. You ave the talent for it. Go 12-4 instead of trying to go to mere playoffs.
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Remember last year when most "starting" OLs went out...
And Petrus and Andrews were incerted how effectively we ran the ball. Then when the “staring” ol’s came back we went back to struggling…THAT kemosabe has been the story with this coaching staff, they shy away from what’s working. It just boggles my mind bro!
by Bavaro 89 on Nov 22, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
this often goes unmentioned. O’Hara was hurt and playing poorly but TC inserted him back into the lineup against the Eagles.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Generally you aren't supposed to lose your starting spot to injury, it's an unwritten rule in sports.
But I do agree, that after O’hara came back in after 2 bad games, you go back to the other guy.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 22, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
That unwritten rule is a myth
ask Wally Pipp and Drew Bledsoe (and the countless others who have lost their jobs due to injury) how that worked out for them!!
FIRE Perry Fewell
That rule needs to be outruled.
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Vets over effectiveness…..its quite mind boggling actually, its like did you see Petrus sprint onto the field when he got his first shot?? he is super ready to go, so let him play!!!!
In my heart i do believe Mitch Petrus is the Linval Joseph of the offensive line, they both were the strongest men in their drafts, both powerful, both are gym rats and study hard, and both are young and both could stand to gain from practicing daily against eachother.
But what do i know. smh.
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"Bring back Shawn Andrews".... i agree
except if Shawn Andrews brings back his back then its back to back beatdowns brother.
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One Andrews sister
is enough for this team, LOL!
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by Great Gatsby on Nov 22, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else
feel like Tuck is rendered almost useless every other year because of some debilitating injury that occurs early in the season?
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u mean Osi
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No, I mean Tuck
2006: Foot injury, sidelined him for most of the year
2008: Mysterious leg/ankle injury that wore him down late in the season
2009: Flozella tripped him in Week 2, had a shoulder injury all year long
2011: First the neck, then the groin, now the ankle
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
true
But I would exclude 08 Because he was still affective and 09 Because that was just fucked up.
OSI has been much more guilty.
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He wasn't all that effective late in the season in '08
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neither was the entire defense, which is why the team didn't do good
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He shouldnt even be out there
except for 3rd downs, just let JPP play LE and let Tolly sub for both.
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Yes. But he's worth it when healthy. They need to shut him down and move Kiwi to end. Period.
Herz, Boley, and Williams at LB. I don’t care if they make some rookie mistakes. Pressure from the front four and some blitzes will cover some of that up.
These coordinators better earn their effn money this game.
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by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Giants need to seriously address the line in the draft
Would be nice if they targeted best available linemen at least twice in the first 3 rounds of the draft. Brewer was a nice pick last year, but he’s a developmental project. With the new rookie wage scale, it would curb them spending big money through free agency for one ala David Baas. The line play was horrible Sunday, but it was clear all game that Diehl is in over his head- his number on his jersey was spinning around in circles all game
I don't mind spending
for someone like Carl Nicks, should the Saints foolishly allow him to hit free agency.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
Nicks had said he won't be signing an extension during the season
Doesn’t mean he wants to leave, but if he hits FA, why not? He’s gonna be 28 at the start of next year but hes dominant. Not that JR would ever splurge on him though..
I say
let Petrus and Brewer play…. Brewer should be developing right now!!…. we have the replacements in the building, we need to cut Diehl and K mack and use that money which is alot to get back Goff, TT and or MM and extend Kiwi. So much can come from getting rid of those guys.
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These numbers say it all for me
On 38 pass plays, the Giants allowed pressure on Eli 19 times. Yes…that’s half of his dropbacks that he was under pressure.
And then they also gained a whopping 29 yards on 17 carries, good for an amazing 1.7 YPC.
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The thing that amazed me was that the Giants gained no yards running the right side.
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Unbelievable
McKenzie was arguably the best RT in football last year. Going into the season, there was some legitimate consideration to re-signing him (at 31) after this season, given how well he played a year ago. I have no idea what’s happened to him.
Really though, it’s hard to single out one player on this group for their poor performance. Beatty is the only one who has played fairly well for most of the season, and given that he’s still a developing LT, it’s encouraging to at least see him hold up the way he has. The rest of them….I don’t even know where to begin, really.
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ELI
Eli’s PFF grade should be higher for just surviving this game. I was wondering why he didn’t audible out of some those run plays. It makes much more sense now. The guy was just trying to survive to see his kids next birthday!!
1.) our oline needs some serious work
2.) Bradshaw needs to get healthy
3.) need to blitz more
I know its early but, offseason moves:
1.) New Defensive coordinator and ST coordinator
2.) Veteran running back
3.) Draft: LB, OL, and yes another TE. Yes we have Ballard but another wouldnt hurt.
4.) Re-sign weatherford
Question will we have enough cap for a big time RB like Forte, or Michael Bush? If we let Manningham walk?
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They Finally called up Baby Jesus
Bradshaw
As far as having that screen threat or in pass-blocking, yes, Bradshaw will be a welcome return. But as far as running the ball, it doesn’t really matter who’s back there right now.
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at least bradshaw can get some yardage
with a bad oline.
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by BrettGardnerLF on Nov 22, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
His YPC average
isn’t much better than Jacobs’. I don’t know exactly, but I think Bradshaw might be at or just below 4 YPC, which isn’t anything to write home about.
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Bradshaw would've done better than Jacobs
he’s faster. Our OLine + Jacobs’ slow ass is literally the worst combo ever
this.
Bradshaw can make people miss, Jacobs can not. At least Bradshaw gets a yard or 2 on some of those runs, instead of losing 2 like Jacobs. I don’t see why people still think Jacobs can be effective at anything more than spelling the starter.
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"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 22, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Your right on..as long as the opposing team covers the edges..
Our running game is screwed..I’d rather have Sister Sarah on her donkey block..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'd Love me some Forte
But worst case scenario is he will be franchised by the Bears.
forte would be sick in giant blue
but can we afford him? maybe we can trade osi and picks to chicago for him?
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They Finally called up Baby Jesus
by BrettGardnerLF on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think that kind of money
could be better spent elsewhere. We probably won’t even have the money for the kind of contract he wants/deserves.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
michael bush is a greay fit as well..
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by BrettGardnerLF on Nov 22, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
great*
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by BrettGardnerLF on Nov 22, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how anybody could run behind these donkeys we have..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yeah we should just sign Carl Nicks, Ben Grubbs, Ray Rice and maybe Forte too
guys, we aren’t signing another teams best player, its just not happening.
1. new head coach
2. new DC
3. new OC
4. revamp o-line
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Don't forget new STC
To err is human.
To forgive is divine.
Neither is Marine Corps Policy.
by Big Blue in tx on Nov 22, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
My take
New OC? No…… Schemes have been on point, people are always open but no one is blocking.
New DC? No……. More aggressive schemes in certain spaces, yes. Losing your Mike who was getting ready to run the whole defense on every down a day before the season starts and having nothing but rookies behind him in a year with no offseason and no real learning, Not to mention losing your best run stoppers at each level in Barry Cofield, Jon Goff and Terrell Thomas, that might make running a bit easier. He deserves blame but much more credit than he is actually getting. I have faith, an offseason would have eliminated mostly all of these mishaps and miscommunication.
A new O line??….. Hell yeah!!!!….Well a new LG and a new RT
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
There is no excuse for rushing three on third and long, being burned REPEATEDLY for doing so in the same game, and then continuing to do so.
No. That is just plain stupid. Even the drunks in the crowd around me were counting the number of seconds Young had to find someone after our DB’s were trying to cover receivers running ALL over the field for 8 to 10 seconds. No, this guy has to go.
new coach
new philosophy
TC’s job was on the line in 2007 AFTER 2 consecutive playoff seasons. He wins 1 superbowl and now he’s untouchable forever?? 3 consecutive years without playoffs and counting.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 22, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
*2 years without playoffs.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Im counting this year as well
Our chances of making it are very very small.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 22, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
actually, they are very good.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
The division is lost
The Lions and the Falcons are playing much better football.
How exactly do we make it?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 22, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
How is the division lost already?
Still have the Cowboys twice who are currently tied with the Giants. Sure their schedule is much easier but the games have to be played first before they are declared Wins. As for the WC, the Lions and Falcons the past few weeks have not looked great. Bears may suffer with no Cutler. A lot may/will change in the next 6 weeks. Chances are ok, not bad… but not great, to make it.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
sure mathematically they are still alive
but realistically were going to be 6-6 before the Cowboys get their paws on our team.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 23, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are spoiled..
Try going 26 years without a playoff..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I don't think he's done..but it sure would be nice if he got a block..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Well I'm not particulary fond of PFF stats..
But you can’t argue with them this week…Hold on I need to snort some more Lysol..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
how are u not brain dead by now?
:)
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I'm just not holding my breath
on an o-lineman coming in the 1st round this coming April. There’s something to be said for trends, especially in the draft. Look at how the first three rounds have gone for us since 2005:
2005: DB, DL
2006: DE, WR, LB
2007: DB, WR, DL
2008: DB, DB, WR
2009: WR, LB, OL
2010: DL, DL, DB
2011: DB, DL, WR
This team loves athletes that can rush the passer, defend the pass downfield, and make plays for your own passing game. The o-line is a need, but it doesn’t really fit with what they seem to prioritize in the draft.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
The disturbing thing here is the fact they don't rush or blitz...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The Giants aren't alone here either
Belichick has been burning through draft picks in the first three rounds on CBs and safeties for the last several years, and he has nothing but the league’s worst secondary at defending the pass to show for it.
Teams have their own strategies, but if you continue to draft one or two positions every year in the hopes of trying to get better there, you’re neglecting other areas of your team: the Giants with the o-line, the Pats with their pass rush, etc.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
I agree this draft they need to drop the BPA philosophy..
And draft for needs..They have no choice but to draft for what is needed to solve major gaps..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Reaching is just as bad though..
I’m all for upgrading our weaknesses, but whats the point if you aren’t confident in that player.
Well then the only option is to buy established talent..
The draft won’t solve it anyways..I don’t see any Pounceys out there that can come in and start right away…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
there's always a gem or two for the Oline in the draft
but thats usually for zone blocking teams like the Texans. I agree, JR needs to pursue someone in FA, especially given the talent available.
safe to say a few of those guys will never make it to FA, but still if a Nicks or Grubbs is there, you have to pursue them.
I agree
but what we have now is mostly the result of the front office’s failing to find and develop young o-linemen. I’m not saying I want them to overcompensate for ignoring it in the past, but it has to be addressed in some form or fashion this offseason.
And I think there are guys like David DeCastro who may not be Pro Bowlers early one, but can come in and have a 2011 Beatty type year, which is still an upgrade over what we have now.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
I wouldn't say they've failed to find and develop young talent.
I think Beatty has been mostly excellent. I think Petrus should be a solid contributor. I think it’s way to early to say anything about guys like Cordle and Brewer. They invested a lot in Koets and I think it hurt us that he couldn’t come in this season.
I think the mistake the FO made was underestimating the speed of decline for Diehl and McKenzie. Or maybe they decided not to address those positions this year because they didn’t want a full 4-man overhaul of the line all at once.
Team Win Ugly.
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
by BleedBigBlue on Nov 22, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Where is all the Petrus love from?
the guy isn’t even dressing for games.
This
It says something when the guy isn’t even active on game days.
People knock this coaching staff a lot for refusing to play younger players when the veterans are failing to do their jobs. While I can agree in some cases, the coaching staff has every reason to try and get the best players on the field. Otherwise, the team loses games, and heads start rolling.
So maybe the coaches aren’t playing guys like Petrus because they’re worse than what we have?
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
And looking back on this
it’s amazing how they would ever struggle to consistently pressure a QB or defend a passing game….
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
IMO
the one position you can fill through FA signings is o-line.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
I don't mind doing that
But they have to do better than a guy like Baas, who was nothing more than average at best in SF, and wasn’t even a starter before 2009 (and that was at G).
Based on the way his contract is structured, his age, and his so-so play this year, I wouldn’t be suprised if gets cut after 2012.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
What I'm saying is
the last two times this team has drafted an OL in the first three rounds were in 2009 (Beatty) and 2004 (Snee). They got a Pro Bowler in Snee, and a guy who has shown some promise in his first year as a starter in Beatty.
They can’t keep getting by on declining players like Diehl and McKenzie, and overpaid, average free agents like Baas.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have.' They get it done."
and they had a great center for a number of years when they signed O'Hara for a bargain contract
a solid LG in Seubert, an UDFA who played his ass off and then McKenzie was the big money FA signing.
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Finding OL talent
Was one of EA’s strengths as a GM I always thought. As you point out he got them in every way. A high draft pick in Snee, a UDFA in Suebert, the budget FA of O’Hara and the big dollar FA of McKenzie. Frankly I don’t care how Reese gets the new ones but he needs to get some new ones. Being that he hasn’t shown as much success getting them later in the draft or budget FA he may just need to stack the deck by committing a higher draft pick.
he's drafted two OLs in the 4th or higher
one’s starting at LT, the most important spot and the other’s still a rook. Baas isn’t doing too well this year but that doesn’t make him a bust unless you’re really trying too hard. The rest are the status quo guys.
I still think its the RBs. Jacobs has plenty of holes but isn’t fast enough to get them and Bradshaw is more interested in bobbing and weaving instead of getting positive yards.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 23, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Bradshaw does bob too much
Jacobs needs an inside hole. We don’t have that guy who can run the stretch make that one cut and go, I’ll agree with you there.
Part of the issue is Diehl doesn’t pull, that’s why I think he’d be better at RT. We used to pull Suebert and Snee and Mac got to drive. Now Snee is pulling and Mac is trying to slide cover the vacated spot. It just isn’t working like it did in flip.
Baas I’m just really not happy with. Maybe he turns it around, but I’m not pleased and that is with his mental aspect more than physical so it’s not like it is just him being nicked.
they would've drafted an OL if a good one fell to them
or at least they thought Solder was good.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Gotta give that guy alot of credit for what he is able to do while hurt..He's a soldier
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
i give him a lot of credit. he's a leader
and he’s nothin to f’ with
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
I think Tuck should go with Coughlin...now!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Wow...I am surprised this comment hasn't shut the internet down yet.
I don’t believe that I’m just testing the waters.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Go where?
To scout players in the off season? Good idea, always thinkin forward 42, i like that about you.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yeah pin name tags on them
and send them on a bus to the dog track with free lunch passes..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
That sounds like something out of an Adam Sandler movie
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
it's that damn sasquatch
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Nov 22, 2011 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That actually came from Don Imus...Whenever he got pissed at someone
He would put them on what he called ‘The Barnacle Bus’..and send them to the dog track with name tags and a free lunch..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
from my Buddy who is an eagles fan… “even when the Eagles suck, they still beat the Giants”.
sad but true….
a friend of mine said that too. Maybe we have the same friends.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh. That is a kick in the nuts. And he's right. Our guys just have no pride when they play this team.
It’s like a varsity vs. JV game. They get in their heads and it’s over before it has begun.
Of course I did mention to him , we still have a realistic shot at the playoffs even if we don’t win the division. Wild card will come down to Falcons/Lions/GMEN or Cowboys.
We all know where the Eagles will be watching the playoffs from
If we can get it together we have a realistic shot, Im not sold on the Falcons and I didn’t even bother to mention the Caleb Hanie led Bears.
fair enough
I forgot about the Cutler injury. Was Hanie the one that came in the NFC Championship last year after Jay got hurt?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
thought so
he looked decent in bringing them back in the 4th Quarter
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. And played damn well. Not only that, the Bears schedule favors them.
Not saying this guy will do it, but if they manage the game right, I can see it.
Forte running
a strong defense and special teams can hold down the fort for them. Hanie may get a rhyme going with his WRs. When all else fails, just throw bombs to Knox and Hester.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
True
But Cutler has been lights out the last couple of games. Never realized it but he’s got a ridiculous arm. Gonna be tough to replace that.
he throws so hard
i dont know how anyone catches it
Yeap
Jay has one of the best arms in the game. It seems like the 1st half of every year, his Oline throws him to the wolves but then they correct themselves by mideseason. Maybe Eli should ask him how to get the Giant line to turn it on.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
the Bears as well
should be thrown in that mix
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Fortunately for us..we don’t play the Bears this year which would give Hanie his one shot to look like a superstar.
I wouldn't count the Bears out yet.
see: 1990 Giants.
The Bears have a good thing going right now with their running game and defense. Plus they have a sense of urgency because they want to win now before Forte gets all used up.
Team Win Ugly.
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by BleedBigBlue on Nov 22, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Can't count them out yet
but Forte and the running game will take a hit without Cutler. Then where does the offense come from?
Maybe they run
A Tebow Option Offense?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
kidding of course
Only His Holiness can run it
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I like him
I don’t mind the religious stuff with him either. I enjoy watching him play but its only a matter of time before that offense goes no where.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Same here , how can you not root for him. Im so sick of hearing he’s not a pro to-typical NFL quarterback. Who Cares !!
A winner is a winner
and that what he is. It may look ugly but he gets it done
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
He's right
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Add to that : If the Eagles can beat us then anyone can. Then send the whole message to the team.
Message to the Giants players:
Even when the Eagles suck, they still beat the Giants. It seems anyone can beat the Giants now.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
As much crap as the LBs are getting
everyone must admit that this is invaluable experience for these guys, specifically Herz and JWill as I see them as future starters while Pay and Greg Jones as more of ST and subs on D.
A lot of super talented guys never get a chance to play because they were doubted, drafted late, not drafted at all, etc. I really like the potential of our LBs in the future and I personally think Kiwi should be our MLB next year.
That is a good "glass half full" argument.
It just doesn’t help right now. I agree that once the LBs get some time behind them things will look a lot different.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
That's very true..and this season is not over for us..
There is alot of football left..and the more they can squeeze the younger guys in there the better..The O-line is a whole other story..They will be our downfall if they don’t get fixed..That is the biggest problem..and could cost them the playoffs..that and Fewell giving teams a 50 yard cushion to throw into..I don’t even call him nicknames anymore..The name Fewell is enough of an insult..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yessir.
Defense played like Fewell.
Stunk like Fewell
Seeing the defense played like that makes me wann take a Fewell.
Well you better get the Sunday New York Times because that..
Will be one hell of long dump…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Exactly..I wonder what that Fewell will look like after you finish the whole paper
and stand up proudly to look at it..“Well I’ll be damned it has arms and legs on it !!!….but wait..the brain is missing…Shit”
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Agree
And i wouldnt mind Kiwi being our Mike but like i said no one is taking that Job away from Jon Goff….not gonna happen, no way, no how.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Goff was decent. But c'mon, he wasn't Urlacher or Ray Lewis. And he will be one year of a torn ACL.
Don’t expect much out him next year. You won’t get it. He wasn’t speedy to begin with.
Kinda ridiculous to say Goff permanently has that job
what has he done to warrant such security?
Just my opinion
but he came in locked down the job when AP left, plays the run great, he can cover and hes as smart as any backer is and getting smarter.
People think cause he didnt play 3rd down that meant he couldnt cover, pure nonsense but im tired of explaining the reason why he was off the field.
I love the kid and i dont expect everyone to follow suit, i get why would be doubtful, its because yall dont see Patrick Willis but i know what i see and i trust my evaluation of defensive players.
Its all good that yall trust yall evealuations as well but i willing to bet on Goff all day.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
No doubt he'd have the job. But he tore the ACL. We all know that's two years to come back to full.
I just don’t see him locking that job down next year.
Thats fair
Cant knock your point at all, its realistic and it is viable for sure but i think its different for him, Sintim (ahhh we forgot about him didnt we lol) and TT…. i think they will all be ready to go from day one and be back to normal next year due to the timing of their injuries and the severity.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sintim is dead in my mind
I agree with your assessment of Goff’s play so far, I just don’t know if he’s got that job on lockdown (kinda tough to do in the NFL). If we can manage to not lose so many key cogs on D and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD adopt a more aggressive scheme, we will be nasty no doubt.
Naw dont kill Sintim lol, i love the guy.
He can be a beast and was becoming that.
He simply was a victim of severe scheme change and veteran love. No way in the world i can accept them not having Sintim go through his growing pains on the field and then they turn around and have Greg Jones out there, along with Herz, Paysinger and Williams.
You can tell Jerry Reese sent a signal to the coaches about letting the young ones play. Sintim should have been given the same opportunity to grow in the game.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Nor was he ever becoming a beast in this defense
BlueGates lives in a fantasy land where Perry Fewell schemes are awesome and every LB we have is a future pro bowler!
FIRE Perry Fewell
Nope i live on earth
I think he was starting to be a beast, he was stacking and shedding blocks quet well, did he put it all together yet? no sir but i saw the progress and the will as well as the talent so based on that i say he was heading in the right direction.
Future Pro bowler?? hmmm……. i dont bet on pro bowls especially for LB’s because the best line backer in the league has only been to two probowls and they were the most recent ones and not to mention he was an alternative both times so no i dont put stock in assessing pro bowls but i do put stock in assesing pro bowl ability.
Also my friend Perry does habe some awesome schemes, whose schemes do you like??….. His game plans are not always what i like but his scheme is pretty sound IMO.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Oh yea great schemes
especailly the one where he only rushes 3 DEs on 3rd and 10 and the QB has about 30 seconds to scan the field and find open WR for 13 yards and a 1st down.
FIRE Perry Fewell
Is that scheme or personnell??
I am not a fan of that set either but i also know it can work. I would replace the 3 ends with our pass rushing DT’s thats about it.
Like i said, whose schemes do you prefer sir?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I am a pressure defense guy
I feel like the only way to play defense is to be the aggressor. The rules are too offensive oriented in the pass game that the only way to combat that is to give no time to throw. Will it give up big plays? Yes but long time consuming drives hurt a defenses will more than a big play.
Give me a Spags, Greg Williams, Rex and Rob Ryan. Guys that execute their defense regardless of the offenses strengths. Just play to your strengths and let the chips fall where thay may.
Fewell taliors his schemes around the opposition and that’s no way to conduct a defense because the players never fully get comfortable in your scheme because it changes weekly. Then when said scheme isn’t working he refuses to change and then tells the media the problem isn’t the schemes. Makes me CRAZY!!
FIRE Perry Fewell
I'll get shit for this but give me Wade Phillips as DC
and I’ll be happy as a pig in shit!!
FIRE Perry Fewell
i think hes a 34 guy.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
And on Goff
he was a 2 down run stopping LB nothing more nothing less. Beasts stay on the field for all 3 downs my friend.
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OMG
He wasnt on the field on third down because Perry used a 3 safety system, a safety is going to be able to cover better than most any backer and Goff was still learning so no Goff wasnt off the field because of being inept.
Any way this year he was slated to play all three downs and never come off. Fewell even said last year it had nothing to do with Goff not being able to play the pass which he can. It was more about using certain personnell my friend.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I can't go by what he was slated to do though Gates
I have to go by what I’ve seen and all he ever was is a 2 down backer. Could it have been different this year? Sure but we’ll never know.
FIRE Perry Fewell
True
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
And you use personnel groupings
to protect weaknesses. Fewell thought he was a weakness in pass coverage and Fewell is your boy. You can’t be suggesting that Fuel is clueless right now are ya?
FIRE Perry Fewell
No he didnt think he was a weakness
He thought Grant was a great upgrade as any Safety is who could double as a LB. No true LB can beat out any true safety in coverage, not typically at least.
If Chad Jones was healthy, he would be playing Grants role but does that take anything away from Goff?? not at all, its just personnell. you got it so use it.
I dont know your defensive philosophy but i wouldnt say you use personnell groupings to protect weaknesses, you use them to gain an advantage in most cases.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
EUUUUUREEEEKAAAA!!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Wasnt speedy??, i wouldnt use that word but he covered sideline to sideline
and was never being out ran and he is a power house, ask Adrian Peterson, i wish we could watch some tape together, no he wasnt Urlacher or Ray lewis…. but his prescence would make this D a whooooooole lot better in both pass and run. FYI those two LB’s you mentioned havent been speedy in years, thats not all its about more about anticipation and Goff was excellent at that.
He tore his ACL before this year, he will be fine, this is not 1999. I expect alot out of him next year, but thats me. I evaluate defensive players all the time and i am rarely ever wrong, i have a feeling about this kid.
He basically has AP intelligence inside of a very physical body, not to mention he is still getting better.
I like when people doubt Goff because it will make next year even better when he is beasting.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
This literally made me crack up....I say out with Reese in with BlueGates
I evaluate defensive players all the time and i am rarely ever wrong,
FIRE Perry Fewell
Translation
I play a lot of Madden and my defenses usually turn out pretty good.
To even say something like that is arrogant
even if it was true (which I would bet my life it’s faaaarrrrr from true).
FIRE Perry Fewell
I dont care if you bet that it isnt true
and how is it arrogant?? its the truth and did you realize i said i am very good at evaluating “defensive players”?? and not offensive players, you know why??….because i suck at evaluating offensive players especially WR’s for some reason.
Now in all my arrogance would i admit that i am terrible at scouting offensive players??
LOl certain people cant wait to jump on me……hahaha its all good.
I am betting on Jon Goff to be a top 7 MLB next year or when he is healthy, now there goes my next evaluation, i assume no one else thinks that at all so heres my first test. remember that i said it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I was a Goff supporter
after the Tennesse loss last year I came on here and said we were going to be ok at MLB and people scoffed at me. However, I don’t think he was anything more than average and average players don’t have starting jobs locked down. They must compete for them every year.
FIRE Perry Fewell
Thats fair
and you didnt even have to call me a name or anything lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
It's all in good fun
My posts may make it seem like I’m angry but I promise I’m not lol
FIRE Perry Fewell
I know thats why i still respond
Your fine, nothing wrong with being aggressive and opinionated. I know the feeling lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'm much worse right after games
usually the intelligent bleedblue is back by tuesday and the angry bleedblue goes away until Sunday.
FIRE Perry Fewell
Honestly i am rarely wrong, whats so funny about that?
am i Jerry reese?? heck no but hes just a man who has logged plenty of scouting hours and conversely some of your “Proffesiional” scouts are always wrong, just ask Kansas City a few years back when they had 17 hundred picks and no one was good lol.
Also scouting is not rocket science like you believe but it all depends on scheme and coaching in the end, also i dont get the opportunity to judge personalities so of course i am not as good as the proffessionals you are so ready to compare me to.
I stand by what i said because it is true. I watch alot of tape and I actually dont play alot of madden, just bought it the other day and i still suck at this time, horribly because im not use to the gameplay, i was still on madden for Ps2 haha.
And i mean most of the guys i personally took the time to evaluate and say he will be very good have become good, what is that worth?? nothing!! but its the truth buddy.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
i was joking
but obviously you should realize that your evaluation of defensive players is nothing but an opinion, which you did state before. but to say
no one is taking that Job away from Jon Goff….not gonna happen, no way, no how.because you evaluated him is very arrogant and not true.
Everyone's Evaluation of Players Period, Since The Begining Of Time Is Nothing But An OPINION
So i dont get why you said that.
Also i stand by that blocked quote, i dont see anyone taking the Job away from him at all!!!!!……Simply too smart IMO.
It is my truth based on my evaluation, i dont see the arrogance in it at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That was my point from the beginning and why I found it funny
Professional scouts are wrong more than they’re right so for you to say you’re rarely wrong is basically saying you’re better than every GM or scout out there which is an asinine statement.
FIRE Perry Fewell
My Opinion is
Goff will be in camp competing for the job and that is all he has nothing locked down and was not all that great.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Okay and thats cool
Good opinion, i think he wont be competing for it at all cause its his.
Sorry but that just what i think from looking at the kid.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
First of all
How do you know proffessional scouts are wrong more than they are right? isnt that on a case by case basis? how can that be a blanket statement?
Anyway, where did i say i was better than every GM or scout out there?? how can you just make up shit, i didnt say that at all. listen, proffessionals scout thousands of players all day and night so their sample size is waaaaaaaaay bigger than my sample size, not to mention they actaully speak to these folks typically.
You coming at me is very arrogant IMO….what i said is no where near as crazy as the nonsense you are pretending that i said.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
More draft picks fail then succeed thats a FACT
and most free agent signings…especailly the big ones fail miserably. So I’ll say again they are wrong more than they’re right. Just look at the guys who are drafted every year who crash and burn. Then look at the undrafted guys who become pro bowlers.
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Are they wrong more than they are right?
or is it all a puzzle that has to fit on all sides. Guys can be extreme talents but be in the wrong system or have the wrong position coach or head coach.
Guys can also be asked to do things they cant, its not as black and white as you would have people think. Most FA signings do not fail miserably and if they do, is it because they were bad players or just in a bad system way different from the one that got them to point they were?
Also being a UDFA doesnt mean that a scout was wrong about you at all, it simply means the check writer might not have seen it the scouts way. NFL teams have upwards of 60 scouts, just because they dont all get their players dont make their original evaluation wrong.
It is more to it than that, players are people and they go through things that might affect them on the field but does that mean the scout was wrong?? i wouldnt say that.
I actually think alot of scouts are right when scouting for the system they currently work for but if that player goes elswhere to a diff scheme and bombs that also doesnt make the original evaluation for that specific scheme wrong. Its just too much involved to just say wrong and right.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Brandon LLoyd is a perfect example of our discussion.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
No doubt. I see it to. Herz is going to start. He's going to get faster, more knowledgeable, and DAMMIT this guy wants to play!
And Williams is fast and athletic. If Vick singled him out, then you KNOW he sees something from the kid. And the kid was all over McCoy in game 3.
Yeah that kid has what it takes..Heart..not just skill the will and the heart..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
You can't teach Heart and Will...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
There really is a solution to this.
Tuck is invisible. He’s hurt, or whatever, and he can’t play. It’s obvious. Move Kiwi to end. Let him, JPP, and Osi rotate. Start Herz in the middle, with Boley and Williams. Look, can it really get any worse? Rush the front four, get rid of this 3 man rush crap, and let the speed of Boley and Williams make up for some rookie mistakes. Go Prince, Ross, and Webster, and let Rolle and Phillips actually play safety. I think we will see much better results. I mean really, what is there to lose?
Boley and Williams play the same position
I dont even think either of them know the SAM position, playing SAM is what got Boley kicked out of ATL and Williams is still learning Wil, no need for more mishaps.
Kiwi is an excellent end but as time goes on he has shown that his value lies in being up just as much as he is down, slotting him in one spot lessens his overall ability and also makes it easier on offenses.
Not to mention If Tuck is out and our leading sacker doesnt get the nod, then i might break my TV.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Okay, I can see that. Herz has played all three. He could do it. I can live with Jones in the middle against the run.
The point is, Tuck is done. If you can’t see that…….Well, Kiwi needs to play end. We have to have four to rotate, and that gives them a break to bring constant pressure. Herz, Will, Boley, and Jones can handle the linebacking. Id’ rather have Kiwi bringing constant pressure. We have NONE right now with Tuck out there. Have to shut him down, get him healthy.
That's the problem
They do see that but they don’t want to shut him down. I feel as if Tuck, being a pro bowler and our defensive captain, doesn’t want to get shut down either, the man has pride, which is admirable. But in his interview on the radio yesterday and with the " I suck " comments ,he made it obvious that the wise move would be to shut him down for the year. He said he’s playing at max 65% right now.
Yup
He wont let it happen
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
This all
makes sense but PF is very stubborn in his ways
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
They ought to just slip that guy an ex-lax mickey before the game..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yes seems like that whole staff is
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
this is true
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah bring him back..I'd like to see him get pummeled..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
No Canty? No Weatherford?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 22, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions
if they grade between a +0.9 and a -0.9, they don't get a mention
guess it means they were average
I'm going to go ahead and say it....
we win next week, 30-24.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions
we have no chance if we aren't more aggressive defensively
brees will eat our zone alive
so we'll be more aggressive...
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
that would be the thinking
but who can guarantee that?
we changed up our defensive plan to stop Brady....and it worked.
we changed up our plan for frank gore….and it worked.
It was obvious we gameplanned for McCoy on sunday….and it worked.
We will gameplan for Brees. And it will work….we just need to be cognizant of not letting their run game beat us.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Does ELIte have a twitter acct?
Maybe we can inspire him to come up with his own version of Bress pre game song/speech.
Who dat say they gon beat den Giants !!!
if we aren't inspired to kick some ass from this last game, then I give up
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea Zone is not going to work against him
It should have against VY and it did but when you dont score you dont win.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Does anyone have any insight on the state of the Saints..
From what I see they haven’t played all that great..but that is just my opinion..We need to win this game..There is no doubt about it..If we lose this one I’m going to shoot my neighbors cat..I might shoot the SOB at half-time..Hell I might shoot it anyway..I’ll wait for the game and decide..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
they are as up and down as the Giants are.
Drew Brees has pulled 2 or 3 Tony Romos late in games to lose….but he also has beaten down several teams by himself.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
So basically your thinking we have a tough one here..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
there will never be an easy one.
But we will never make it easy for our opponents either
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Saints are weak-to-average on the road (because Brees is weak-to-average on the road)
but they are undefeated and very tough to beat at home (because Brees is elite at home)
so is Tom Brady at foxboro. Didn't see that stopping us.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bobbi asked for insight on the Saints
and thats what I gave. Doesn’t have anything to do with Tom Brady.
you replied to me
so I thought you were trying to refute me.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
No I asked a question is all..I wanted to know how other folks felt
about the Saints..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
is their going to collapse in middle of a night with no one getting hurt?
We need them to play at the New Giants Stadium on Monday night like they did before. I wonder if some of us jinxed the Vikes stadium few years ago too.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
Yeah that had alot to do with us missing the playoffs last year..
Blame Coughlin and Eli..They can’t even show up at a stadium that doesn’t collapse..frigging bums..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
i am hoping that the siants stadium is proclaimed inoperable for 2 weeks due to roof collapse or some lead poison deal.
They have to come and play at the NewGiants Stadium then.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
Geez I hope they figure this O-line out this week...Man
If they could find A way to fix that..we’d be in pretty good shape..Currently, there isn’t a RB in the league that could run behind our fools..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Disagree with Ed about zone
We all know that Perry Fewell is a disciple of the Cover 2 philosophy and he implements it sometimes.
And there are some people on this site who are proponents of it, because it “hides” our linebackers.
However, for Cover 2 and zone coverage to work best, you actually need good linebackers. Linebackers will make or break your zone.
Linebackers in zone coverage have arguably the most important responsibility; the underneath routes and the middle of the field. That’s why you see a lot of teams attack zones by designing plays where receivers will be in between the linebacker and the safety.
Therefore, because linebackers have the most important responsibility, the Giants shouldn’t use zone coverage schemes.
We all saw how confused the linebackers were. They didn’t know who to cover when two receivers converged in their zone.
It’s much easier for rookies if you just tell them to cover receiver X, rather than cover this area. If two receivers converge, the rookies over-analyze and in the end, they don’t protect their zone at all.
You know where our strong suit is? It’s with the pass rush and corners. What scheme do you with these strengths? You play press-man coverage.
We have physical corners that excel in man, especially with Webster and now Amukamara. Combine that with our pass-rush and QB’s will not only have no time to throw it, but no where to throw it too.
The problem with zone is that even if we pressure the QB, it won’t matter if the receivers are in open spaces in zone coverage because of poor linebackers.
We have to implement our defense based on our strong suits.
The reason why the Bears excel in zone coverage is because they have Urlacher and Briggs. We don’t. But we have very good corners and a great pass rush.
Use our strengths, rather than trying to “hide” our weaknesses.
Fewells defense totally sucks...This is my synopsis of your well crafted noted and very good points
They press they win if they cover 2 or zone they lose..that’s it..Fewell is giving teams 50 yards to throw into..Take a look at the tapes..50 yards cushion…This coach is killing our chances to reach the playoffs..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
This is why Spags was AMAZING
He understood this exact reasoning that we play to our strengths, rather than our weaknesses.
Our forte was corners and pass rushers. And it still is.
In 2007, our starting safeties were Gibril Wilson and James Butler. Our linebackers were Pierce, Mitchell, and Kiwanuka/Torbor (after Kiwi got hurt).
In 2008, our starting safeties were James Butler and Michael Johnson. Our linebackers were dough-boy Pierce, Danny Clark, and Chase Blackburn.
Granted, 2007, we had better players at respective positions. But Torbor, Mitchell, and Pierce were best when they were going forward, either to stop the run or to blitz.
First sentence came out messed up
He understood this exact reasoning that we need to play to our strengths, rather than to cover up our weaknesses.
Cover 2 thrives on cover LBs
hence why the Colts were able to win a SB with a defense that had LBs the size of WRs. The LBs got pummeled in the run but they covered so well.
Yeah that is right our LBs are too young yet to cover...That is
Why they have to press..cover 2 won’t work with this group..That’s no critique of our guys, it’s just a very complicated scheme..With the lack of training camp time our LBs should simply be instructed to hit and tackle..and the DBs should press and use their coverage skills…but leaving that 50 yard void out there is killing us..We also need to blitz more..this three man rush drives me nuts..Too much talent even with all the injuries, is being wasted..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
How many pro-bowl QBs has this defense of ours created?
Ridiculous..If they don’t fix this they WILL be facing a pro-bowl QB…Brees will tear us apart..He’s probably watching film all this week getting a huge boner.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Nicks had a really bad drop
The ball was in both hands and he lets it fall to the ground. it would’ve been a huge gain. Ballard had three inexcusable drops that would been 15+ yards each. No outcry. When Manningham has a drop, there’s this outcry. The inconsistency is why I can’t take many people here seriously.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
This
some players get a pass on here while others could play a great game have one bad play and BBV harps on it. Manningham is one of the guys who gets killed for every mistake he makes. I’m not sure how they pick what players get a pass and which ones get killed. Rolle is another guy that comes to mind!
FIRE Perry Fewell
Rolle gets killed for everything.
People scream that we are intense on teh field, eff the personal foul, etc….don’t take it right on the chin. Rolle gets a PF for fighting back after getting punched and he’s an “idiot”
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ham gets killed for dumb plays
because he’s dumb and consistently does dumb things. So does Antrell. Nicks had a bad drop, but he doesn’t act like a moron.
I don't think dropping a pass is a dumb thing.
MM has made many amazing catches. I don’t hold it against him when he drops a pass that he needs to stretch and dive for. You want to see a bad drop? Remember Hixon against the Eagles a few years back? when he dropped the winning TD when not one Eagle was within 5 yards of him? That was dumb.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Hixon's wasn't for a winning TD
but it would of been the lead early in the game… worst wide open drop I have ever seen
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Cruz has done something stupid in almost every game he has played dude
and he gets a pass because he’s a BBV favorite. You can make all the excuses you want. Bottom line, some players get a pass while others get killed it’s comical.
FIRE Perry Fewell
I personally never defend Cruz, although he can be good
because hes dumb too. And dropping a pass here and there is not dumb, but it is when you do it consistently. And Ham is just dumb beyond drops (ditches his routes, etc). But Cruz wasn’t the question here, it was Nicks. and Nicks shouldn’t get killed for anything
Nicks should get killed for dropping the ball
Just like every WR in the NFL bottom line
FIRE Perry Fewell
Nicks had more drops in his 2nd year than Manningham in his 2nd year
Yet to read the comments here and you’d think that Nicks has never dropped a ball.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
Yeah I don't have a problem with our guys getting physical at all..
The fucking referees need to start paying attention to what started these incidents..It’s always the last guy that gets the flag instead of the one that started it…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
people pick and choose favorites. ::shrugs:: it ain't fair.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
All of them who dropped sure passes sucked irrespective of who they were.
I have been complaining about the defense as well as offense since Sunday night but in all honesty it is the offense that let us down. RB’s cannot stop and change directions. The OL did not make holes fo RBs enough as on top that they let Eli drilled. The WR/TE dropped game-changing passes.
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Well..I don't have a problem with a receiver dropping a pass..
But I have a major issue with a receiver dropping a clutch pass..and I go beserk when they don’t reach first down territory..that is inexcusable..If you need to reach say the 30 yardline, then get there..Man drives you crazy..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
If Eli Ggts hurt, The OL is going for a one way blimp ride
I may get criticized for it but JR and KG will be on that rude too. I am still deciding on TC and he is real close on my list. If something happens to Eli there will be some serious consequences. So there will be some serious legendary mythical blimp rides.
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They are already on the fart blimp list..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Goff was pretty good last year
I think he might have been our biggest loss this year. I hope his knee isn’t too bad and he can do some weight training in the off season to get it right.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 22, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions
The shame about Goff is missing all this time due to injury..
I had high hopes for him this year..We’ve lost alot of good solid players..but when you look…we still have a ton of talent..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
There's been alot of references to Spags..
Having played the game, I can tell you what a guy like Spags and a guy like Fox bring to a defense..‘Emotion’..There is nothing more motivating than to have your coach jumping up and down cheering you on..that a piece of our puzzle that has been sorely missed..a DC can come out with the shitiest game plan ever, but if he’s out there going nuts, players respond..You can’t have a guy upstairs or a emotionless dork on the field..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
shit worries me that we are headed back to ray handley days
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Damn..I had to have a beer after reading that!!!..LOL!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
by Bobbiblue on Nov 22, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fewell was supposedly fiery last year
doesn’t seem to be helping
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 22, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Well I sure don't know what he's trying to do...break out the lighter fluid..
He needs some fire under his ass..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Look At The Bright Side: We Still Have A Chance To Make The Playoffs But Eagles Will NOT Make It.
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by BB1156 on Nov 22, 2011 10:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What they did accomplish is they made our journey very difficult..
Brees is going to rip us apart if we give him all that space to throw into..If our guys allow that we are toasted..This thing they call cover 2..in my day was called prevent defense..and the players called it prevent offense..It’s the same shit with a different name..Only they play it the whole damn game..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Well..as we turn the corner and head to the stretch..We have two huge problems.
And I am going to rnake them both number 1…because there is no way to separate them..
First..It is November..We need to get back to a defense that is turned loose..screw all these fancy bullshit schemes that have produced nothing but trouble..Let them loose too much talent being wasted by idiotic bullshit schemes that don’t work..Tell the damn players to go hit somebody that is my game plan..Go knock a guys head off..
Second..That damn offensive line..Did Flaherty die or something?..They suck..I don’t think there is a RB in the whole damn league that could run behind those fools..pathetic..
So, if they don’t don’t fix those two things, we’re in for a long winter..I want the traditional smash face defense and a damn line that can block something..Without a running game forget about playoffs..without a defense that gets turned loose forget about it..Damn shame when you think about it.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Here's what pissed me off the most about that game...
The damn shame of watching that ass DeSean Jackson disrespect our DC after that 50 yrd catch and make it off that field at the end of the game without at least one set of Giants cleats buried up his ass.
I figured at that point someone would be angry enough to start defending our home turf. Wasn’t that long ago that McNabb (whom I had grudgingly respected till then) made fools of the Giants by grabbing their batfone on their sideline. Low class stunt that was. Typical for Eagles, though.
It was a low moment, and a low few days now, since I realized no one gave enough of a sh*% to do anything about it. We can talk about dropped passes and piss poor blocking, no pass rush, etc. all day long, but what really burns my ass as lifer fan is to witness a collective ankle grab like that by nearly my entire team.
Bloozer
Yeah that was total disrespect..and your right..
If LT was there that squirt would have gotten broken in half..that little obnoxious prick..Our team has no emotion..you don’t stand by and let that happen..That idiot did cost his team 50 yards though..best Fewell play of the game..getting whacked by a ball..In the good ‘ol days our whole team would have gone after him..It would have been mayhem..They all just stood there looking stupid..Even Feweel looked stupid..I’d have fired that football right back at his head…and grabbed him by the neck..Wild horses would be required to separate us..little punk is all he is.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Fran Tarkington drilled Bob Lilly in the back of the head one time..
Lilly sacked him hard and Tark drilled him in the head..He got flagged but I was laughing my ass off..Back in those days we needed a little entertainment like that..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
When I watched the game again..that buffer Fewell allows is alarming..
I could find a guy off the street who can’t throw a football tear us up…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'm done talking about the Eagles..that match is over and done with..
Our guys need to beat the Saints…I was thinking that I didn’t really care about the Packers, but thanks to the Eagles I am now..Every game from here on in is very important..and if we lose to the Jets my wife will be hide my ropes..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Money first
Steve Smith had a touchdown against the Giants, but I bet he made more contribution to Philly’s out come of the game than just a TD. The Giants better make some changes to their signal calling and strategies.
Problem is Philly’s got more problems than just the Giants.
Crux and the Giants should thank Smith for leaving the Giants. How else would Crux had the chance to become such a accomplished receiver.
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