New York Giants News And Notes: Picking Up The Pieces Edition
Good morning, New York Giants fans! Let's see what is going on around the Giants today as they pick up the pieces from Sunday's disastrous loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Tom Coughlin was asked Monday if he worried about the way players would take the biting post-game remarks he made Sunday night.
"I don't worry about it if it's what I think is truthful," Coughlin said. " I don't really think there's anyone that would take real issue with what I say. As a matter of fact, there are probably many, many more in agreement. I wish I wasn't right."
Apparently, at least one player did take exception. Linebacker Michael Boley said Coughlin's remarks "mean nothing to me."
"That’s his assessment. I always say coaches coach, players play," he said Monday. "We’re the ones in the trenches. We really know what goes on down there.
"For someone to say this is what happened doesn’t mean nothing to me."
There are a few points I need to make about Boley's comment. First, it is disheartening to hear any player say comments by his coach "mean nothing to me." Second, you wonder if it is instructive that a comment like that comes from a player who has never reached the playoffs with Coughlin as coach. Boley has played in one losing playoff game in seven years in the league. Also, Boley did not play Sunday, so can he really speak to what went on in the trenches?
Finally, it makes me wonder again if there are players -- especially guys who were not part of the Super Bowl-winning team -- who have tuned out the coach. Obviously I am not in the locker room or around the players regularly so I can't speak to that with any authority. The comment, though, makes me wonder.
Coughlin was also questioned Monday about the play-calling on both sides of the ball.
Let's look at what he said about the offense first.
"Yesterday there were no first downs. I have said this before, it is like throwing mud at the wall and trying to see what sticks if you are not making first downs," Coughlin said. "You can second-guess anybody at any time in this business about a call or a series of calls. We have had outstanding playcalling. We didn't get anything done yesterday and we are all taking blame and you can start with me."
Coughlin seemed to echo a theme that I tried to make on several occasions Monday. The lack of blocking was a bigger issue than plays that were -- or were not -- called.
"We didn't block them and you have to block them. You block them and a lot of things go," Coughlin said.
The primary defensive issue Sunday night was the lack of pressure the Giants put on Eagles quarterback Vince Young.
Here are some remarks by defensive tackle Chris Canty regarding the lack of pressure. Read them and see if you interpret them the same way I do -- as a very well-couched suggestion that defensive coordinator Perry Fewell did not adjust to the max protection schemes being used by Philadelphia.
"People recognize what we're capable of doing as a defensive front and getting after the passer and I think they're doing some things that are giving us some challenges," Canty said. "We have to be able to match up and adjust to that and that falls on both players and coaches. We have to understand that going in. We have to understand what teams are trying to us scheme-wise, to neutralize us and adjust to that so we can be effective and get that job done."
Canty was asked point-blank if the defense had not given Young enough different looks.
"I'm not going to speak to that, but I will say this, it's one of those situations where if a grenade goes off it doesn't matter whose fault it is, we're all dead," Canty said. "It's something that we all have to take a look at and we all have to figure out how we're best going to be effective. Quite frankly, we win as a team, we lose as a team. And the team is not just players. It's coaches included."
Coughlin, for his part, said only "there's a time and a place for everything" and "we have to make the adjustment to that type of [max protection] scheme."
Let me leave you with this thought from ESPN NFC East blogger Dan Graziano, which -- in my mind -- summarizes the situation pretty well.
"The Giants need to stop getting physically beaten up on the lines. Their offensive line can't open a hole for any of their running backs and, Sunday night, couldn't keep the Eagles' fearsome pass rush off Manning. Their defensive line did a nice job bottling up the Eagles' LeSean McCoy (until his final run of the night, during which he went 60 yards to ice the game), but at the expense of the pass rush with which they generally thrive. No team can get beaten up in the trenches the way the Giants have this year and keep winning games. No team can give up as many points as it scores -- as the Giants have this year -- and expect to run away with its division."
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Michael Boley was not playing yesterday. If he got jacked up by, say, Todd Herremans....he'd feel differently.
Coughlin said the Giants could not match the intensity of the Eagles. That’s basically it….and it ain’t wrong.
Funny though, I interpreted Canty as calling out Fewell a little bit.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions
agreed
i got that same feeling as well about what Canty said..and he’s right !
kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk
I agree as well
Canty subtly called out Radio and I like It. Boley your having a great year but STFU!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
We agree
Canty very subtly called out Fewell, at least that’s how I read it.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 22, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely saying the coahes aren't adjusting.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Michael Boley should just.........
keep his mouth shut. Last I saw he was standing on the sidelines on Sunday night and NOT in the trenches. Coughlin is 100 % right. Coaches coach and player should just shutup and play. It was an embarrassment and the players did not execute and let the Beagles push them around. Each player should be docked their game check for this one. In a huge game with all that was on the line, once again, this team didn’t even bother to show up……….time for change!!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I disagree with most
I’m glad Boley made his comments. The players have to be very frustrated. Imagine, on your job, being asked time and again to do something you aren’t good at and hate. That’s what these coaches are doing. The players are often asked to play aggressive on first and second down then asked to sit back in a soft zone. Too many times this season we’ve seen average QB torched the defense. Us fans are frustrated. I can only imagine the frustration level on the players.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
well
i dont like the remarks by Boley…it just doesnt seem like something a player let alone a Vet should say !!! Canty has always been straight forward with his assestments and remarks..I agree the team is everybody players & coaches and all should be accountable..PF did not adjust to the max protect scheme,and he didnt use players that were doing well CANTY & JOSEPH….had they one of them stayed on the field during passing downs i’m convinced we wld have had more pressure …its just easier to block a de playing dt then it is to block a DT playing DT…its all hindsight now .. cant wait for Monday Night
kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk
^^ this
Since 07 we have been outcoached. Adn believe it or not we do have cancerous cells in this team. Common sense tells you that when you are facing a backup qb you attack him. He afterall is nervous as it is, but PF scheme tends to get backup qb settled and comfortable back there due to the lack of pressure. One last thing, and this is me getting out of character but, IT HATE COLLINSWORTH! Long neck gooffy mofo!
here's the problem
Sunday night was the rule not the exception. This entire season PF scheme has allowed bad QBs to flourish.
The players have to be very frustrated.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
by GMen56-11 on Nov 22, 2011 8:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The best pass rush in the league?
If MV faced that pass rush Sunday, he’d have two less concussions and no broken ribs, plus a winning record. It was a disgrace! I never saw a replacement QB more relaxed than VY.
we got outplayed..
and outcoached. write that down.
+1
and DG is right about the trenches.
Time for TC to coach. A bold move is needed here to shake things up. Bench a vet. Make a line shift. Take a risk. Continue as is and we will see a replay of recent seasons – a collapse.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
Insert.........
Bill Cowher and this team would have no issues with being bullied or any lack of MENTAL TOUGHNESS!!!! Another collapse, and that’s what it looks like again and again, and Coughlin, Gilbride, and Fewell all need to be outta here!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
You doubt anything that has to do with any kind of change.
So no surprise. I wonder if you’ll feel the same after four straight years of collapses should the same level of play continue. But as you so eloquently put it, I doubt it.
by nygmen123 on Nov 22, 2011 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and Bill Cowher is not change
he’s identical to Coughlin. Chew on that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Bill Cowher doesnt equal any more toughness than TC......Maybe Dick Labeau is but as for Cowher
He’s not even a better coach. Cowher is so closely associated with toughness because of the Steelers but thats just the Steelers. They are the same team without him…..even better actually, and last i checked the Steelers were infamous for dominating one year then sort of dissapearing the next under him.
I am all for change when it makes sense or when it is the coaches fault……seasons far from over and everyone is to blame right now but i do agree that we cant continue to go on this way.
If TC goes, im not in favor of Cowher…… would have been nice to see what Chuckee could do with this offense but other than that i would like to see a younger HC, maybe even Spags if he gets fired. I wouldnt mind Perry either as long as he hires a DC thats a little more aggressive like maybe Pepper Johnson.
I am actually kind of torn, i want a Defensive minded HC but we might actually need a more Offensive minded guy in the mold of a Sean Peyton. Who knows.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
We need an offensive minded coach
Eli is on the cusp of greatness the right guy would unleash a 5-7 year period of special football
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
TCs comments read precisely like many of Antrel Rolle's comments
He’s pointing fingers and then saying its all on me. I don’t care, his comments have no meaning. ZERO, NADA ZILCH.
What matters is his ability to change. The plan is officially broken. When I think back about this game, it’s the same as Seattle. Yeah Philly has players, but we made VY, and Riley Cooper look like ballers. Just like Whitehurst and his WRs. We had nothing set up to counter the wide 9. Seriously, did they consider going 5 wide on first down and saying, OK sell out, we’ve got the freaking best anti blitz QB in the league, we’re gonna let him hot read you to death. And yeah that means one of your low end DBs is covering our 6-5 long armed WR singled up.
Sorry, but TC is right, he is the one responsible, because he’s the coach. When you come out in a game with playoff implications, looking like you didn’t know what was coming, the coach is the story. But hey, if we just execute better, zzzzzzzzzzz
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
My take is the coaches are failing along with the players
Yes, some of the players are not doing well, obviously the OL is terrible and parts need replacement.
That said, I think the coaches have lost some of the players. That is on the coaches. The generals have to lead the army and if they cannot command allegiance and inspire confidence, they are responsible. They have to change.
If I was a Mara, I would be having a long, difficult discussion with TC. KG and Fewell need to be called on the carpet, do or die, execute or be executed. TQ, well, give him some Ambien and let him sleep through the games. His absence could only improve the ST performance.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions
As for PF
Do we really play a 4-3 anymore? Three down linemen, 1-2 linebackers, DB’s lining up like backers…It doesn’t stop the run AND it doesn’t stop the pass. What really is the PF scheme?
Line ’em up and let ’em play, I say!
"Allie Sherman wrecked the Giants!" - my 5th grade bus driver
I really like Coughlin
but there’s something about his teams that just do not respond in games they should win handily. The truly great coaches do not lose these ones (not at the clip that Coughlin’s teams do). Their bad nights are not this bad. This is second-teir team stuff – winning some games impressively, but never reaching the top level because they do not take care of business in the winnable games.
"Allie Sherman wrecked the Giants!" - my 5th grade bus driver
Other than 2007......
What has Coughline done? No playoff wins and year in year out the team forgets about November and December. How long does it take for the Front Office to see what we are seeing?? Coughlins a good guy but he has lost any edge he used to have. These next 2 games will seal his fate and it’s hard to be optimistic right now. I’ll be rooting hard come Monday night but I have lots of concerns going into New Orleans.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I'd argue
even in 2007 it wasn’t Coughlin. The players rallied. The defense rallied around Spags. Spags was an emotional leader not TC and KG.
How often do we need to watch late season failure to realize the common denominator is TC?
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Disagree. Players hated Coughlin in the beginning and his change in attitude was very well documented as the turning point
in their season.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone is fearing another second half collapse...
The fact is they lost another game that they should have won..There are still games left to be played…and I’ll stick by my comment on Boley..What message did he send by saying that TCs words mean nothing?..He’s an idiot..Wash your underwear and air it out in the locker room..Not in public..I hope TC rides all their asses for the remainder of the season..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The only year we've "collapsed" is 2009.
When we went 5-2, and then went on to lose a bunch of games and gave up. In 2010, the “nightmare” was a freak loss, and then we lost to the eventual superbowl champions. We ended up winning the game after that, and barely missed the playoffs.
And just because something happens one year….doesn’t mean it will happen again. Patterns in this league are nonsense. Cowher didn’t win the superbowl until his 14th year! Andy Reid, a “good” coach hasn’t won it yet! Neither has someone like Jeff Fisher, who survived despite years of mediocrity, yet has a good reputation as well.
Everything changes from a year to year basis, and to predict what happens this year and in future years based on the past is naive, especially given the turnover on a ton of personnel from year to year.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
True, patterns in pro sports tend to be more retrospective than prospective
Often once you identify it, it’s about to change
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I agree..anything can happen in this league..
I’m tired of all this collapse crap everybody talks about..this year?..look at our O-lines piss poor performance..Last year they played great..It was other factors..You can’t ever know what happens year-to-year..This year it is the fact that they can’t block, can’t run and our QB is getting killed back there..Plus they have a DC who isn’t qualified to be a DC..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
TC is second tier
When we wins there is a large bandwagon.
He is strictly an above average coach. B or B+. No more .
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
TC is an above average coach
139-111 55%
Perry Fewell Stinks!
8-7 Postseason (4 of those in 07)
and abysmal second half of the regular season record. He’s a below average coach after his team’s 8th game.
Frustration and embarrassment
That’s the Giants mood, and rightly so after getting their butts kicked by the Eagles. They need to circle the wagons and focus on team unity and executing assignments for the Saints game. I think whether they manage to do that wil be a test of this coaching staff.
Go Giants!
Normally teams.....
who come off an embarrassing and frustrating lose, with the talen the Giants have, come out and play hard, aggressive, angry football and USUALLY win……………..I hope that’s what we see on Monday night……….I said HOPE!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I agree..time to move on..and it is a test for all of them..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hate to agree
but it’s true. Everything’s gotta click for TC’s teams to win. And the emotional letdowns and lack of apparent motivation – that’s coaching, my friends.
"Allie Sherman wrecked the Giants!" - my 5th grade bus driver
Right on the Money.......
and TC and his staff isn’t getting it done. No excuses because the Giants have plenty of talent to win!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Did the cowboys play the saints this yr? Man I hope we stick it to the Aunts. I can’t stand that team
by dbruno5001 on Nov 22, 2011 9:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I liked Aunts
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Ants!
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
The Cowboys didn't and.........
because of their soft schedule don’t have them on the Schedule. Giants are going to have to beat Dallas mano e mano……..
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Ryan's defense
doesn’t play soft like Fewell does. Miami is playing well. I don’t see them beating Dallas on Turkey Day.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Don't bet your dessert on it..
Miami is really fired up..I wouldn’t be surprised if they beat Dallas..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Me, myself...
I don’t count on others to do me any solids! If we can not get the job done ourselves then we don’t deserve to go any further than the regular season. For what? To have someone clown us again. I am no counting on Miami to beat anyone, I am hoping we can get it right and IT should start with beating the Saints which I highly doubt.
I agree..it is up to our team to take care of business
I do think they can beat the Saints
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Not sure if I saw it announced here or not
But Coe separated his should is done for the season.
Are we just not caring now cause Prince is back or something?
"The Giants defense has managed to make the Matt Moore look good and Tom Brady look bad in back to back weeks. Go Figure. " - James Brewer
Yeah we're weird like that
Yeah I know I had high hopes for Coe..
Losing him is bigger than alot of folks think..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I don't get all the..........
injuries under Coughlin either. Not just this year, though it’s been off the charts! Where’s the physical toughness here???
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
haha
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Blame Coughlin and Eli for everything..The losses, parking, the economy..
Everything..just blame them for it all..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I say blame Bush
He had to do SOMETHING to cause all of….this!
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
TC charges to much for Jersey's and hats.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
..and the ticket prices...the cost of a beer and a hot dog..He sucks
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
And then there's the whole G-damn Middle East problem...
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
Yeah..friggin Coughlin
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
How is a seperated shoulder the coaches fault?
Perry Fewell Stinks!
He should have told him to be careful
Just like your mom does after you cut your finger or fall.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Everything is his fault..
Separated shoulder, Knee, hamstring pulls, dick hurts..it is all his fault..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Sniper farts from the dog, garlic burps, you name it...
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
Yeah take that bastard to Guantamino bay and water board the SOB
Until he talks
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Boleys comments bother me..
But that underlines my belief that Coughlin needs to keep up the steam until his words DO mean something to all of those pathetic bums..That jerk didn’t even play…and yes I read what Canty said and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to get the message…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Whatever you think of Boley's comments it shows TC is not getting respect
Perhaps he should not have said that in public, it was foolish.
Think about being a parent with a mouthy child. You have to get respect however you do it. That is on you. You will not get respect just by being a parent, you have to earn it and command it.
TC clearly does not. His problem, his to fix.
Problem with Canty is he is probably right. PF has to wake up, what he is doing is not working.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
It shows hes not getting respect from Boley and thats it
All the other “Leaders” seem to respect him and thats all that matters but to see a man who is basically our mike backer say something like that is out of character and out of control. Those comments are more divisive than any bad record or 4th quarter collapse.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Thank you..well said..
Eli and Tuck are the team captains..not that guy..If Eli or Tuck said something I’d listen to them..Instead of a mike in his helmet he needs a brain in his head..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I think they should just IR Boley..
His left nut hurts anyway..You don’t ever go against the words of your Coach..Keep the kids that want to play on the field..That really bothers me what he said..Is he the leader we thought?..or a Loser?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Boley is a decent player........
and that’s it. Will not be long before Herzlich and the young LB’s take over. Boley better hope Coughlin stays because that may be the only chance he has at sticking with the Giants. A new Coach will bounce him right outta here!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Boley has sort of
been a key defensive player this year
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
yeah sorta. i think if teams can put up with the likes of DJax, i think they xan handle a rare outburst by a vet at a coach
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Correct Boley has been playing great this year
What the hell Zoo
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Sorry Bobbi
but Boley has been playing lights out this year.
While his mouth should be closed, his play has been very good. We missed him Sunday, that was obvious.
Maybe put that ailing left nut in a salad shooter for treatment.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don't care how he has been playing..
He’s sidelined with a bruised left nut and has the nerve to say that?…He belongs in the Special Olympics..Let Herz run that defense..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ohhhh how i miss Jon Goff so
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
A poor plan violently executed is better than a good plan poorly executed! Canty gave a very measured assessment, "Quite frankly, we win as a team, we lose as a team. And the team is not just players. It's coaches included."
Everyone bears some responsibility for playing flat. TC and the coaches need to shake things up. One or more of the veteran players (Canty, Kiwi, Bear?) need to be an emotional leader like a Ray Lewis, Clay Matthews or Patrick Willis.
There is no better leader in the league then Ray Lewis..
That guy couldn’t play, but he was super-charged on the sideline…Hey Boley you ass..watch the Ravens game..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Did he kill anyone?
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I won't go there Simms..He was innocent..and he never tried to shoot himself in the balls either.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
so was OJ.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Oh boy..you are all missing my point..which doesn't matter anyway
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
if u had a "point " it would have been gotten.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Well I did and you didn't get it..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
ray lewis is a murderer?
Did I get it?
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Strahan's 40th cake!
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I think you just got yourself a twitter war
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Ha...he's definitely coming for me now.
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This needs to be a caption contest pic
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
Yep.
This team is predicated on a trenches-out mentality. It starts with the D-Line getting pressure and the O-line pushin’em back.
I thought overall the D did a great job yesterday. They gave up ONE real TD drive. The other TD is on the special teams … 5 yards, c’mon. And I don’t remember if the FG is on the offense (blocked it out) but regardless, that’s 7 or 10 points against our defense… a fine outcome regardless of the fine points.
I do agree that the three-man prevent rush is infuriating. If you give a team 20 seconds in the pocket, they’re GOING to complete a pass.
It’s entirely on the offensive line. They’re the reason the Giants rushed for 3 yards, they’re the reason Eli could not get his passes off. We’ve been saying for a while this O-line is the weak point. They finally got really exposed. You can bet Sean PAyton was taking notes!
Anyway, it’s on to next week, no time to feel bad. We’re sorta tied for first and we’ve gotta take care of business against the Cowgirls. In the meantime, the future is bright. Sure, we miss some guys. Injuries are always … well, to paraphrase Coughlin, it seems this team has had like 8 bouts with cancer in the last 9 years! But whatevs. The future is bright. We’ve gotta bolster the O-line. We already knew that.
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
I thought
overall the D did a great job yesterday
waiting for someone to agree because yesterday was Monday … HA!
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Hey dummy, yesterday was Monday
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Nov 22, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!!!..It feels just like yesterday!!..When you lose
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
D did play fine
When you consider the lack of playing time for the LB’s who suited up Sunday, to me that was the weak link. However, I am not putting any blame on them. They did well against the run, not so much on coverage. That will improve. Remember, this team was picked to fight it out with Washington for 3rd place, and that was BEFORE all of the injuries. I am sure the schedule was a huge part of that prediction.
I for one get tired of the comments from some of the players. I remember a time, and it was not that long ago, that players respected the coaches, GM’s, Owners. Times have changed. I do not know how the HC’s put up with it. Oh, and Coughlin will be back next year.
by Jimmy Orange on Nov 22, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Two weeks ago they were hoisting up the coach in the locker room after a big road win...
…but now suddenly there is some finger-pointing going on? My, what a difference losing two straight makes…
I wouldn’t say that anyone has given up on TC or any of the coaches. These are just comments borne out of frustration and an inability to get the basic things done.
We need the O-line to start stepping up and making big routine plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 22, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions
Agreed
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Nov 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Very funny but
they cannot step up, they are being pushed back all the time.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I dont like either of the comments
First Boley didnt play in the game as Ed pointed out and its shows major disrespect for TC. I want to see a guy like Vrabel come out and rip Belicheat when they lose wouldnt happen. As for Canty he sounds more like Herm Edwards after the first half when his team would let up 150 yrds rushing and he would say “Well thats something we have to take a look at” Really Coach? Ya think. The way this team responds to this staff since 07 is frustrating.
08 was pretty damn good until that gloc went off.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Time for EVERYONE to be accountable....
From the players and the coaches. It seems that this is just a begining of a firestorm, especially if we start losing. IMO TC’s comments were NEEDED, truth of the matter is his ass is on the line as well! Comments from players about other players, coaches and fans don’t mean sh4t if you are not out there playing your ass off! Truthfully, the Giants lack fire in the second half of the season. Don’t you all agree! It is only been happening for the past 3 seasons. If this will get something started then, oh well. I’m praying that we can pull it together for the remaining games. We CAN beat every team remaining, we are that talented and well coached to do so!
We knew that coming into the season that our Oline would be a work in progress, you don’t get rid of two veteran guys who have been the lynch pins and NOT miss them. While the Oline did get their asses whipped on Sunday, it is part of their growing pains. The crappy part of it, was that it happened against Philly.Hopefully, this will not happen again!
This year the Giants have no running game, lets just face it! Our success will rely on Eli, who is having a monster year. If the running game shows in these last games then that will be icing on the cake. Hopefully, we can do some running to keep opposing D’s legit. That was the first game that I saw Eli take some hard shots, and i’m not even talking about after the interception. Have to do a better job a protection. Coaches have to figure out some way to max protect the QB, if the line can’t do it.
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions
Agreed
Lets just see what happens the rest of the year. But Like I said yesterday if they fold and dont make the playoffs and John Mara does not fire this staff. I’m done for next year I will watch when I can and not stress over it. Because ya know what? ownership isnt worried either. They are like the drug dealer and all of us fans are the addicts. I cant get enough of my Giants and they know it! So F that! I’m not revolving my Sundays around this group of underachieving whining millionaires.
At this point, I wouldn't mind us going into this formation most of the time
Nicks Barden Beatty Diehl Boothe Baas Snee McKenzie Cruz Manningham
Manning
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions
I know.
Its just MAX protect with 4 wide, because that’s literally the only way we’ll be able to win unless the OL steps up.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Wait...I don't see a RB on your - wait, I get it now.
I also agree.
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haha
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
If we don't turn things around...
Well I have to say I think its time we part ways with Coughlin and his staff. I’ve been a huge Coughlin supporter even when the players were killing him at first, but it seems like the Giants have shot them selves in the foot every year since well you guys know what I’m getting at here. Coughlin is not a just a good coach he’s one of the better ones in the league but after 7 plus seasons it just seems like he’s treading water at this point. This team simply has to much talent to be in this situation every year, I know its not all on Coughlin players still have to preform, but at some point isn’t the coach the one who has to get these guys to preform… I saw no fight last week and when theres no fight in your team your coaches job security will always be talked about.
ELIte
by colinlovestheknicks on Nov 22, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions
I think I mentioned the guys who weren't on the team for the Super Bowl in why I think Coughlin might need to go away.
With free agency the way it has become I am expecting to see big names opt to leave this team to go play for a “fun” coach. That’s why people want to play for Ryan, Rex, Morris, and now we’ll see people dying to get into SF’s locker room. These young guys who didn’t ride with Coughlin into Glendale (and a few that did) are going to start jumping ship as soon as possible.
So, lets look…Phillips, Nicks, JPP, and then Prince. Those are the first rounders since the Super Bowl. Why wouldn’t those guys want to find another place to play? They all have a lot of football ahead of them and I just don’t see anyone begging to stay on the Giants and become a long term part of the annual collapse. Take Nicks, specifically, has he ever experienced success here? Sure they win games but his first season was 2009 – yikes. Then 2010 started out strongly and then they fizzled. There is a good chance that this year could go the same route.
So, ask yourself, if you are Nicks then would you really want to stay here? Why would you want to? If you aren’t winning and TC is considered “unlikable” then why not go somewhere that you would like your head coach? I mean you already aren’t winning anything so why stay?
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One big counterpoint to that is the cautionary tale of Steve Smith, yes?
And think about it, no coach outside of Bill Belicheck has experienced continued success for a good amount of time. Only Andy Reid, but he’s always choked. I would think players know that being a Giant gives them one of the best chances for success.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Does being a Giant really give them the best chance for success?
I see the Steve Smith point and the Eagle’s record shows that maybe he didn’t do himself any favors by jumping ship…but just for right now.
I know Reid has choked in the past but the Eagles are more talented than they have ever been. It’s really just a matter of time before that team starts winning.
Looking strictly at player’s movement…Burress didn’t want any part of TC just as much as TC didn’t want any part of Burress. Boss went to the Raiders for the money but if he loved TC then maybe he stays. Cofield wanted big money and didn’t care about winning. Bradshaw was dying to get paid and he didn’t give a shit about TC. We’ve already started talking about losing Manningham next year. Jacobs is going to be gone and Osi won’t be far behind.
I’m just playing devil’s advocate here – I’d hate if any of my prediction comes true.
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I get what you are saying, but EVERYBODY would jump ship for extra dough.
And it doesn’t just happen with the Giants.
Look at the Broncos with Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler.
Look at Desean Jackson and Asante Samuel.
Look at Carlos Rodgers with the Redskins.
Look at David Baas with the 49ers.
Look at Matt Forte and his frustration with the Bears.
All of those guys were/are a pretty big part of their respective teams. It is, by NO means just something that happens with the Giants.
I want to use the Eagles as an example, because you used it so I think its salient. They had legendary players (at least in Eagle lore), in Brian Westbrook and Brian Dawkins. Both left for marginally more lucrative contracts elsewhere…despite their hero status in the city. Asante Samuel was a beast last year, now look at his comments on the front office. Ronnie Brown wants out, especially now with the botched trade. Desean Jackson is pissed off as all hell, and he’s been a big part of their offense. Stewart Bradley was their best linebacker and he left as well.
Just cause we’re Giants fans, we’re more hurt by our players’ “infidelities” but the truth is, that’s the case for just about every player in the league.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with you on the money thing but...
All of those teams that you mentioned, minus Reid and maybe Lovie Smith, had horrible coaching staffs and/or ownership.
Marshall and Culter hated McDaniels.
Carlos Rodgers because of Snyder and the coaching carousel.
Bass wanted out because they couldn’t do anything with a new OC each year and head coaches being fired/hired monthly.
With Westbrook and Samuel and now Brown, it’s the team that has moved on just like when McNabb was exiled. The Eagles weren’t going to pay Westbrook anything due to his injuries. I’m just saying those cases are different because the Eagles were (are) moving on without them…regardless. DeSean Jackson is a special case because he really is underpaid but again…the common feeling is that the Eagles don’t think they absolutely need Jackson to win in this league. Similar, Matt Forte is like 75% of the Bears offense so he should be getting big money and he is getting next to nothing. There is a delicate balance between money and loyalty and Matt Forte’s value by far outweighs the check he gets.
Cofield and Boss are perfect examples of how money dictates location. They both left to play for teams that have bigger issues than the Giants. They saw dollar signs and that’s all they needed.
Of course, players are always gonna go where the money is and fans are really more emotionally invested in their teams than the players. We do get hurt and it pisses us off. It’s just my opinion that maybe the guys who are on the fence when it comes to free agency will be lost if they aren’t happy with the teams chances of winning and their personal feelings regarding their coaches. I think if say…Nicks…if he gets a matching offer from the Jets, Steelers, or TB then he leaves for the same money to play for a younger coach that can relate to them better.
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I can sort of agree.
though it isn’t just about the coaching. Its about your relationship with the players as well. I don’t know, but if Nicks has matching offers from all three teams, I can see him staying just because of the friends he has here and his relationship with Eli.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
True...friendships will factor in.
It’s just at some point the guys without rings are going to get tired of hearing Eli talk about his.
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Cofield went where he was wanted, they expressed how talented they thought he was.
Also he just wanted a fair deal from the Giants and a respectable and timely offer…..they left him in the wind so he left…… as for Kevin, yea it was the money but it was also the opportunity to play at home in front of family.
Money was not the major motivating factor for wither Boss or Cofield, not their character at all but money is money and we all want more.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
disagree
TC was recently voted the coach players would LEAST like to for. I could care less what others think. Free agency doesn’t work in the NFL. I’m more concerned about keeping our players.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
That Poll is nonsense
Funny all i ever hear from players is “I would like to play for the Giants” then when they poll players, this happens…. so folks would rather play for Jack Del Rio or Todd Haley?? LOL smh.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Nicks
You have a point, but need to take a different angle. First of all, despite those gigantic hands, Nicks has dropped some really easy passes. What did he have Sunday night, 2 key drops? But also 1 key catch. Nicks is still developing. I think Nicks will stay for Eli. They are starting to develop a nice rapport. He would not want to have to start from scratch with a new QB. Usually takes a half to a full year to get on the same page. Plus, he is the clear-cut #1 around here. So, I think Nicks will want to stay. I bashed the coaches yesterday, and will continue to do so, but I am not saying that TC is a bad coach. On the contrary, I think he is a good coach and Boley aside, I think he is received by most of the team.
I don't mean that Nicks will jump on plans to win a SB in the year he leaves.
I’m saying if he is going to be on a team that may not make the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row then why wouldn’t he go do that somewhere else?
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I understand where you are coming from on this one...
Hopefully, we can turn this around because if not, things will get very ugly around here. Remember that TC is 65 yrs old, and he is getting too old for this IMO. He might just retire if we don’t make the playoffs. TC is a good coach, but “fun” doesn’t win games.
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
I can’t say why they would stay.
They are motivated by money and winning. They can get either elsewhere. I do not see TC winning another SB. Can I be wrong? Sure, look at ’07. But these guys are seeing what they are seeing, not what could possibly happen.
Some people here are saying, it’s only two losses. That is not the point. I was not that bothered by the loss to SF.
It is the repeated losses to weak team caused by lack of motivation and poor coaching that upsets me. It is the end of game collapses, end of season plunges.
I stand where I have stood. Time for TC, KG, TQ and maybe even PF to go. Those calling for TC to make coach of the year are sorely mistaken in my view.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
If your Nicks, I'm sure
having Eli Manning throwing you the ball is a big time incentive to stay.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
So, what if say the Saints were interested?
Same money…Does Nicks stay in NY with TC in NY so he can have Eli tossing him the ball? What about say…Steelers? Colts if Manning returns? NE? GB?
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I'd rather not play the "what if" game.
Waaaaay too many variables we know nothing about.
Plus, we lost two games in a row. That always turns us into a bunch of Chicken Littles to a degree. Gotta let this play itself out, though I will admit that when your Oline is bad, things are REALLY bad. Only way things can be worse is when your QB sucks.
And I will be looking at TC if the season turns for the worse, no question.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
I'm with you, tommy...
I hate playing devil’s advocate because I really don’t want any of these things to happen.
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I realize where you are coming from on this one.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
Good Points
Like someone said the other day similar to Francona in Boston won championships but need a fresh voice and fresh start. I would like to see Cowher bring a staff in here and keep Reese who I think is still one of the best GM’s in the league. And give Eli a offense that plays to his strengths and give him more responsiblity to call his own plays. And I like TC even tho I bash him the guy is a good coach and a hard ass that is why I like him but this movie has gotten old and played out.
You and I are on the same page.
Read my comment I just posted above. I like TC, but you’re right, some new blood would not hurt at this point. TC has been here a while and I thank him for the job he’s done, but it might be time to go a new direction. Get some younger blood in here. I think Cowher is on the same page as TC, so I would actually like to go younger if possible.
I know but...
I wouldn’t mind younger guy either but who? Especially the way the Mara’s are they want to keep that old school feel to their team in memory of thier father. Seasoned guy who is proven. And beside for Cowher who they are good friends with who else is younger and fits that bill? At least with Cowher the guy is probably in his mid 50’s you would probably get at least 5 good years out of him.
very naive comment
Boley did not play Sunday, so can he really speak to what went on in the trenches?
Yes, he can. He’s in the trench every game. Just because a player is out with an injury doesn’t mean he doesn’t understand what’s going on in the game.
Why have all these ex-jocks on ESPN, NFL Network, calling the games, etc if they didn’t understand what’s going on in the game.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
So the question is, status quo or?
Is the season over if we lose to the Saints? and if we do what’s next coaching staff and all..
So...if we win against New Orleans....what will be the sentiment on Tom Coughlin?
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions
Mine will be the same, time for a change
The team (under TC) is very inconsistent. It would take a string of well played, well planned games to change my mind.
Betcha that does not happen.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Its the same movie every year. The same mistakes, the same lackluster performances. the guy is the oldest coach in the league I think he has to go.
Not happening so the question is moot.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 22, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Uncle Fester is not a happy uncle today....
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Just a realist
I know, any given Sunday, but Or’leans at home with strong passing and running attack is not the team we want to meet this week. Perhaps Eli can move the ball against them but I see it highly unlikely that we score more points. When have we broke 30 lately because we will need 35?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 22, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
NO Def is pretty bad this year
but the team as a whole is wayyyy better at home (wouldn’t that be nice). I can only imagine what Sproles is going to do to us..oh god.
Sproles
and Graham will be tough to stop as well as anyone going across the middle. As for the last game, I thought our D played pretty well with a few exceptions. I an very interested in what the coaches scheme for the Offense this week. Do we ever run crossing patterns through the Lbs to give Eli that quick look? Hot routes hot routes hot routes especially with the Oline. Any word on Snee? I expect him to be back in there healthy, and I’d put Boothe in for Diehl or just cut the guy.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Diehl is too expensive to cut
I would love to see him benched but the TC regime is too stubborn to do that.
Looks like Bradshaw is doubtful for Monday.
As I was just starting to feel a little better.
Hello Gillbride!!!! WTF are you going to do now!
More crossing patterns and let Eli run the no huddle some more?
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
If we have Boley back, I think we'll be alright.
We can beat anybody in this league. That isn’t the problem. TC can coach with anybody in this league. That also isn’t the problem.
We just have this motor problem that runs hot and cold. That is on TC, I agree. If the Giants are fired up, they can beat anybody. Who knows if they do. By the way, the Saints struggled against the Bucs and Falcons (both teams that I haven’t found to be too impressive), and lost to the Rams. They aren’t unbeatable.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
We play them on Monday
So we’ve got that going for us…
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
We play them on Monday
And their coming off a by. This does not bod well for the Giants and my stomach.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Williams loves pressure
Our OL is going to see an even more souped up set of schemes
If they don’t have a package of plays, or a response, you can expect to see Capers do the same thing against GB. Then Rib Ryan will do it too. If they don’t have something in mind beyond the OL needs to block better, we might be seeing Eli’s consecutive game streak coming to an end. Sad but true.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Saints are exponentially better at home
then on the road. We have to win in a shootout.
Tom gotta step and shake things up
Or we are phucked this game really sets up as do or die
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Eh we still can control our destiny beating Dallas x2, Skins and Jets
What we can’t do is the ostrich routine. Our approach got broke. Every team will try what the Eggs did in me way or another. Now it’s on TC either he flexes or they fold. This game was like Saints in 09, after that game every team attacked our D the same way.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Cmon Fest
Have some faith
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Oh, I will be rooting for them, have no doubt
but there is something creeping into this team that I do not like. 2 seperate plays tells it all…Eli gets cheap shotted and Radio gets mocked and the Team did not respond. We should have seen a scuffle, a wall of O-Line or D-line pointing fingers or something that indicated that those actions will not stand. All we got was Chris Collinsworthless tell us it was no big deal outside of how it might cost the Eagles in the end and he was even wrong with that. We need some heart but I think we have some poison instead….
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Remember that there is still time to win games AND make the playoffs...
We will just have to wait and see how this team responds! Becasue rest assured IF we lose the media pundits will be bringing all sorts of noise reagrding everything!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 22, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
just jumping in to say hello guys. . .
too busy this week before the holiday to do much blog stuff.
Shitty game, shitty OL. Glad to see TC shakling things up. But I don’t think he can make those guys any younger, and the season is wearing them down, it seems.
I was hoping their collective OL experience would help them get better as the season progresses, but the opposite is happening. They not staying fresh in a game where they’re already losing some speed and strength, and the league isn’t forgiving that.
They won’t be as bad every week as they were this week, but they’re just not good enough.
I don’t exactly blame JR for not anticipating the rapid rate of decline for McKenzie and Snee, but he and the rest of us knew this was a risk. They wanted to buy time to rebuild the line gradually over a couple of seasons, and I don’t think that is working or is going to work.
That performance this week was outright humiliating for them.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Oh, and don't get me started on Diehl. . .
I wanted him out of there weeks ago.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
I was beginning to wonder where you and tito were at, AJ.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
busy with work stuff
and I recommended your post before Ed (deservedly!) front paged it. Great job.
How did your exam go, kid?
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Boley just got a reservation on the blimp
You can’t make these statements after your team shit the bed. TC is in effect making a statement that will put the limelight on him, not the Team. He can only do this once. If the Team does not respond, TC is out of a job because he will never recover the locker room. Boley just put TC’s crosshairs right on him….

I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 22, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions
Yep free one way fare on the fart blimp..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
TC is an offensive mind but he is still the Head Honcho
so why hasn’t he told Fewell to change this scheme?
Seems kind of odd when you consider if we collapse this season
TC is out. Why isn’t he trying to save his job?
Cause it's Tom's scheme
Call Tim Lewis if you don’t believe me
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
No way is that true...if Tom was running his scheme
then Spags D wouldn’t have been running a different scheme. Besides, TC is an offensive coach
Rex Grossman, Charlie Whitehurst, and now Vince Young. The Giants have allowed backup quarterbacks to look like Pro Bowlers.
And the Giants offense has scored 10, 20, 24, and 20 points the last four games.
The Giants need to address the offensive line in next year’s draft. We know they won’t draft a linebacker in the first three rounds.
And 0 TD's in 1st half of last 3 games
DavebrownNOT
Here are some remarks by defensive tackle Chris Canty regarding the lack of pressure. Read them and see if you interpret them the same way I do — as a very well-couched suggestion that defensive coordinator Perry Fewell did not adjust to the max protection schemes being used by Philadelphia
Fewell didn’t.
The players played atrocious on both sides of the ball(offense moreso imo) but both the coaching staff and the players need to take the blame here. They all came out there and half assed their jobs, and they should be embarrassed.
Ho hum, another collapse.
Cant Blame PF for O Line Collapse
But Canty’s comment very telling. THink its time to bring in new DC. Coaching is primarily about 2 things: Preparation before the game and ability to adjust during the game. PF fails miserably on 2nd count. And how can you allow a rusty QB to get more and more comfortable by not applying max pressure? Yes, D played well by allowing only 10 pts thru 3+ qtrs but ONLY b/c Young kept missing open receivers. But Young became very compfortable in 4th qtr and you could see it. PF must be replaced.
The O Line is what it is – awful. No panacea there. But if only for sake of team morale, changes must be made vs NO. I think biggest culprits are the guards. Diehl must be replaced, perhaps by Boothe. Also sends message to whole O Line to step it up. Just a damn shame considering we have top 5 passing game.
DavebrownNOT
So the coach, who deserves PLENTY of criticism for allowing
This horrific use of our D is finally calling out what all of us can plainly see from an effort and motivation standpoint is now being dismissed by a player. Well, that’s just wonderful, Boley. It reaffirms that this “team” just doesn’t get it. You allow your fans to be humiliated by those thugs in green over and over and over, letting them come into our, yes OUR stadium, and embarrass us repeatedly, and you dummies can’t even get on the same page. At least Canty and Rolle get it. Canty had a great game. No wonder he’s pissed. Where’s the rest of this team??? Boley’s comments pretty much reveal what we already knew from watching Sunday. When it counts, when it’s time to close it out, this team has no heart. Other than our QB, who has to try to pull a rabbit out of a hat every game. Pathetic. And yeah, it’s OUR stadium when we pay 350 for a f’n ticket to see them take a dump on the field and humiliate their fan base with that pathetic effort.
by nygmen123 on Nov 22, 2011 10:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Stats
the defensive stats are staggering. The Giants allow significantly more yards than their opponent’s season to date average in most categories. I only looked at the games we lost.
Redskins
Rushing Yards Avg 85
vs Giants 74
Passing Yards avg 225
vs Giants 258
Total Yards avg 310
vs Giants 332
Seahawks
Rushing Yards Avg 89
vs Giants 145
Passing Yards avg 195
vs Giants 279
Total Yards avg 284
vs Giants 424
49ers
Rushing Yards Avg 140
vs Giants 77
Passing Yards avg 183
vs Giants 228
Total Yards avg 324
vs Giants 305
Eagles
Rushing Yards Avg 170
vs Giants 136
Passing Yards avg 252
vs Giants 255
Total Yards avg 423
vs Giants 391
Our run defense over the last few weeks has improved vastly however we haven’t made much improvement against the pass.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Nice work.
Just need to get those QB pressures now.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 22, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Boley is always blind siding someone and making it hurt
Ouch!!!……………. Boley’s comments are out of frustration but he should not have said it.
Whats funny is Perry allows these guys to be highly interactive into the game plan so why not say hell naw perry, that aint gonna work while they are in the meeting rooms and maybe it wouldnt get so bad on the field at times. Dont okay the game plan then after the game say you knew it wasnt going to work.
The game plan was awesome from Perry IMO but not without flaw of course but if the OFFENSE scores when they are supposed to, Philly wouldnt have been able to max protect if they were down a few scores. After that we could have released the hounds but the offense hung that defense out to dry and then the defense collapsed at the worst time which Perry should be blamed for.
Blaming him for his scheme which worked all damn game until the end isnt fair, he deserves criticism for sure even anger towards him but lets not take the light off that offensive line, they lost this game for us.
The NYG are known for defense so i get why everything falls on them but damn how can people let that inept offensive line off the hook and come down on our D?……. If the Packers or New England had the same defense we had on sunday night they would cancel the rest of the season and hand over the trophy…… but every offensive series we have ends with a 3 and out except for in the 4th quarter, that is not on the defense IMHO.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Was it OK for TC to say what he said
Doesnt he preach keeping it in the locker room?
Funny how players get killed and coaches don’t.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Well I see your point but..
I feel a coach can say whatever he wants..TC never says what he said but I don’t blame him for saying it..These millionaire players need to play..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Boiling point
TC practices what preaches but everybody has a breaking point…… and im with him all the way.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Me too..110%..behind the Coach..
And Canty his comments were very telling..but he used tact and diplomacy..We all know what he meant..He should be a captain of the team….bottomline is they all should know the predicament they put themselves in and work hard to get out of it..Coaches and players..I have no idea what Fewell is doing..and Flaherty hasn’t fixed a line that was performing well last year with spare parts…and when I add that all up it lands on TC..He needs to kick ass and take names from here on out…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
New Orleans
Brees is mortal and if you PRESSURE him, he throws picks (or in the Rams game, they also just sacked his brains out) and is not the same GB. While the Saints’ Guards are incredible, their Tackles can be exposed.
Simply put, to employ the scheme of the soft zones and “read and react” against Brees is so beyond suicidial (see the game against Indy). If the D does not change to a more aggressive game plan, we will have NO SHOT, and I will truly start believing PF wants to get fired.
New Orleans is not playing great this year..they are vulnerable..
But we just got our butts kicked by a bird with broken wings..So our guys need to get it together by Monday..I don’t think I’ve ever seen a defense with so much talent be mis-used..three man rush, giving a fifty yard cushion to chump QBs..No blitzes..unreal..and the O-line..who the hell can run behind that pack of mules ?!?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Need to close off Brees Passing Lanes
Need to scheme with max pressure up front and take our chances. Only way we can compete vs NO. On offense, need to play ball control short passing game. And get Diehl out of there.
DavebrownNOT
Brees will literally pick us apart if we don't play press..He'll have a record day...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I agree. No more 3 man rushes. I was at the game on Sunday. Young had ALL day to find someone open.
You could see his receivers running broken routes all over the field trying to give him someone to pass to, and no DB’s can cover for that long. It is amazing what you can see when you get to see the whole field instead of watching it on TV. Just unbelievable that this D coordinator can’t see that he’s killing us on third and long.
I just dont get it
You have a rusty QB in game who has to have happy feet till he settles down and PF gave him every chance to get comfortable by holding back rush. How can anyone be that stupid? By 4th qtr you cud just see him get more and more comfortable. Ugghh!
DavebrownNOT
Unless we rush 4, only way we can beat NO is
PRAY!!!!!!!
DavebrownNOT
Boley Proves Coughlin right
This team is soft, he cannot even take criticsm from his head coach- and he did not even play, he was a SPECTATOR!
Boley And Jacobs MUST BE CUT!
This is Insubordination to the highest degree.
Can't take it Boley?
Whats the Matter Boley – you can t take it- You WUS!
The Coach Cannot critisize his own team’s performance? You soft cup of Yogurt!
GET OUT!
Time 4 change
At the end of last season I said coach Coughlin needed to be replaced, Gilbride needs to go and Jacobs needed to be traded…..an I’m sticking to my story. Jacobs suck… this guy has not played his money’s worth. He runs too upright with no power. He’s big and slow. He talks 2 much and has nothing 2 show 4 it. He talks about wanting the ball more. Dude you got the ball 12 times, you gotta do better than 21 yds. Thats not even 2 yds a carry. He needs to go. McKenzie can’t block a blind person and Diehl just sucks. The defense has its ups and downs but they have trouble stopping the run. Fewell do not have them playing to their potential.but at the same time, you can hardly blame the defense when they gift wrap three turnovers and your offense don’t convert off of them. Their losses are puzzling to me because they have beaten better teams. I just think management needs a shake-up. Someone younger who can fire them up get them to play like the games actually mean something. Then bring in a running back who can actually run and don’t go down with an arm tackle.
by Deniece Thomas on Nov 22, 2011 11:32 PM EST reply actions
False hopes
The defense play well enough to win, but we can’t win with no running game. We been lucky to win as many games as we have this year. Most guys play their butt off,
Write off this and start thinking the draft for 2012. We need to use the first 4 draft picks on offensive linemen. If we don’t fine a way have a better running team forget about any playoff
hopes.

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