Giants' Line Is 'Offensive'
by Ed Valentine on Nov 21, 2011 1:02 PM EST
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PrintIn today's 'Kudos & Wet Willies' I promised you guys some further thoughts on the New York Giants' offensive line. And yes, until they actually show that they can block somebody I think we need to call them the 'Invis-O-Line.' Coach Tom Coughlin said after Sunday's night's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles that "our offensive line was completely outplayed by the front eight of Philadelphia."
He wasn't kidding.
I am going to player-by-player along the line with some thoughts on each guy. I am not going looking for an Pro Football Focus numbers. I am not even going to watch the game a second time. I know what I saw, and I have no need to look at it again. So, let's go from left to right.
Will Beatty (LT) -- The guy was not horrible matched up against Trent Cole, and he might be the team's best lineman. You want to know what an elite left tackle looks like? All you had to do was watch Jason Peters of the Eagles make Osi Umenyiora invisible most of the night. Beatty isn't bad, but he isn't Peters.
David Diehl (LG) -- Awful. I have no idea how many times I watched Diehl get pushed backwards, run right by goes he should have blocked or have guys just go right past him. Jim Cordle or Mitch Petrus have to be better than Diehl. Don't they? Not saying much for either of them if they aren't.
David Baas (C) -- This is the Giants' big offseason free-agent signing? The Giants keep telling how good a player Baas is, and I'm still waiting to see it. Perhaps it's like the Michael Jordan movie 'Space Jam,' and somebody stole Baas's talent while he was en route to New York from San Francisco.
Chris Snee (RG) -- I know it's really unfair to criticize Snee based on last night, when he was playing despite being physically ill. I am, however, really tired of announcers making the blanket statement that 'Snee is the Giants' best offensive lineman.' Take an objective look at it and it has been two or three years since he has actually played that way. He used to be a dominant, Pro Bowl caliber guard. Not anymore.
Kareem McKenzie (RT) -- I can't fault McKenzie for Jason Babin stripping the ball from Eli Manning on the Giants' final offensive play. He had Babin blocked and Manning pretty much unknowingly stepped into the sack. Thing is, you can fault McKenzie for a lot of other things. A year ago, he was fabulous. This year he has been awful. Guys run around and through him all the time. It seems like he has gotten old overnight.
Question is, what can the Giants do about this group? This year, I'm not sure they can do a whole lot.
As poorly as Diehl has played, I'm not sure Cordle, Petrus or Kevin Boothe is a better option. At right tackle rookie James Brewer isn't ready, and there isn't much evidence to suggest Stacy Andrews would be better than McKenzie. I suppose you could move Diehl to right tackle and hope one of the aforementioned guard candidates can do that job, but there's no evidence to suggest that will work.
Other than waiting for free agency and the draft and hoping the Giants can find a stud or two to insert into the line I don't know what else the Giants can do. I might suggest, though, that you pray each night that this group does not get Manning killed before the season is over.
Your thoughts?
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Agree with your assessment
Because this was my assessment in pre-season! And this should be laid right at the feet of JR. I guess we needed Jernigan more than another o-lineman. (Is Jernigan still alive, there’s is no sign of him.)
Oh, and Petrus, I haven’t heard is named mentioned in months. Surprised to learn he’s still a Giant.
There’s nothing to be done now except maybe develop a west coast style short passing game so Eli doesn’t get killed.
Totally agree on the Jernigan pick
Absolute waste of a pick ‘this year’ that is. We already had 8 or 9 guys we were bringing to camp why use a pick ona receiver this draft when there were still O-linemen and LBz to be had. We should of used whatever picks we had on our defeincies not so called ‘best player available picks’. Not in every scenario is that he best option. For crying it loud we still don’t use Barden to our advantage in any case. The guy gets one snap per game.
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cause our brain trust is putting a 3rd rounder In instead of a Vet
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Revisionist History
Think back to last year’s draft:
Steve Smith injured and The Giants don’t believe he’ll be ready for the start of the season.
Ramses Barden injured. Same story.
Domenick Hixon coming off ACL surgery.
Victor Cruz was an unknown commodity. No one knew he’d be this good.
WR was an absolute need going into the draft.
On the other hand, who could have predicted the near instantaneous and simultaneous decline in skill of both McKenzie and Snee? Diehl was done at tackle, but I think most people thought he would be at least an average guard. They knew center was an issue and signed Baas. It just goes to show that in spite of all planning and preparation, you can’t really predict what will happen once the season starts.
Completely agree.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Very True
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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And Jerrel Jernigan filled that need???
It’s obvious we weren’t that interested in signing smith. We had Ramses eventually coming back, devin thomas, M. Clayton, Reynaud who had a good camp if u didn’t know, Dom was coming back, Cruz who u knew was gonna back. So we used a 3rd round pick onna RETURN MAN from wait for it wait for it TROY university. Not an SEC or BIG 10 Or PAC-10 school or the U but troy
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WR was an ABSOLUTE need
Like LINE BACKER OR O-LINE or DT after all of the aforementioned recievers + ham and Nicks were penciled starters. Can’t really see that as an ABSOLUTE NEED when you hav that kinda depth behind ur starters at one position. If it was an Absolute need we would’ve gone for it in a higher round. That was a "luxury pick " that doesn’t look so luxurious for now or he future. He’s not even doing what we drafted him for. So really ABSOLUTE NEED
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The guy being from Troy has nothing to do with anything
Osi and DeMarcuss Ware went to Troy. I’m not saying JJ will be a huge impact player like them but being from a small program does not mean you can’t get drafted high.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 21, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's obvious that's the point you'd pay attention to
What about the others?
1) we already had depth
2) not as big of a need as the other positions lb OL DT
3) he’s not even doing what we drafted him for
4) was it as pressing a need as he one positions and it so is he filling that need adequately????
Obviously he’s not and prally never will be especially with the new kickoff rules. And I bet he’ll never be anything from a recieving standpoint. He’s 5’7 or 8 and 175 and we don’t use welkers around here. You pay attention to the Troy argument which is valid bc he wasn’t playing great comp week in week out. So it does make difference
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
5'9 and 190
Your basing everything about him on “I bets”…. about him never be a WR or returner. Based on what…. 9 games, 1 kickoff, a few plays at receiver, not OTAs, no rookie camp. I mention Troy because good players have come out of there even when they play against weak competition. I’m not ready to throw JJ in the Sinorce/Carter/Beckum group just yet.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Jernigan's the same size as Victor Cruz.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
camp?
they had a camp this year?
The O-line was of little concern coming into the year, but times have changed.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Yes they did have a camp and I went to a lot of practices
Rey-not for some reason had a very good camp, we didn’t know what Thomas could do b4 he had a full camp and season u der his belt. Claytons a veteran hat Coughlin seems to love, Hixon was coming back. And even if u go BPA ur telling me that a RETURN MAN that probably won’t help with anything is was the best player available to us???? C’Mon man maybe im giving u guys too much credit
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reynot is not on the team
Clayton was signed after injuries started happening, he was cut before the season. Devin Thomas has proved nothing at all at receiver with us.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
LB was a bigger need
we took more LBs in the draft.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
I really think the LBs will work out just fine..
But I never thought our O-line would have flew South so quick..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Except...
This unit (the Oline) has been getting worse every year and JR has done very little about it. He knew he was going to cut two pro-bowlers from the middle of his line. He replaced the probowl center with a guy (Bass) that a mediocre team (up til this year) let walk away, and replaced his probowl guard with his old, slow starting left tackle. To replace his old, slow left tackle, he took the cheap route of putting in a late draft pick who hasn’t been able to crack the starting lineup (and unseat the old, slow starting left tackle) in three years. You DO NOT GO BARGAIN on your left tackle!!!
I don’t care what your teams needs are, NONE are more important than your Oline. With a great Oline, your QB will have time to throw, your running game won’t suck and your mediocre WRs will have time to find some space. Draft a great WR and what good does it do if your QB has no chance to throw him the ball? Or what good will it do if the other team knows you’re going to throw it all the time (since your shitty Oline can’t run block) and releases the hounds on your QB all day long??
by NYStateofMind on Nov 21, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
you must draft BPA imo
You never know where injuries are going to happen. I wonder how many of these guys on the OLine are still hurt.
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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
I wonder
How many of these guys on the Oline just really suck. You have a less than studly guy starting at left tackle. A guy who could not crack the lineup in 3 years, even though DD was constantly getting burned by DEs for the past several years at that position.
You have a guy starting at center that SF just let walk away. SF has not been a good team for a long time and they just figured they could live without this guy as their starting center. That HAS to say something, doesn’t it???
No way around it, JR really F$@#ed this Oline thing up.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 21, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Like who?
which lineman should they have chosen?
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Yeah this is depressing
The only things we can do are extreme. Like maybe moving Diehl to RG and Snee to LG.
Petrus in for Diehl
and i would keep Andrews on K Macks side as an extra blcoker.
Viola….Protection at its finest.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Brandon Jacobs
“The best thing they (the Giants fans) do here is boo.”
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
AB
would be garbage with this line too.
by The Cole Train on Nov 21, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
i can't disagree
but Jacobs can’t be saying that about us, the fans. after this year let him just leave
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
he has every right to disagree with the fans, he is telling the truth, we can be brutal!!
just read some of the excerpts on this blog!
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 21, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
This Oline sucks!!
Stop blaming the RBs and start blaming JR. The only back who could be effective behind this line is Barry Sanders.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 21, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Jacobs
I hate it when BJ acts like a little boy on the field. Stop with the trash talk and yappin! If he put in half as much effort into running the ball he might actually have some yardage.
I think this will be his last season in Giant’s Blue.
Your my Boy Blue!!!!!
Is he fucking serious?!
funny thing is the crowd (which has been much maligned around here, some of it warranted some of it not) was loud and involved through much of that complete STINKER out there. BJ is a crybaby and he’s starting to get on my nerves. Next tme I see him on the PS3 I’m going to probably get myself deleted from his friends list. Stop bitching like a woman, remove your tampon and run like you have a pair.
FIRE Perry Fewell
The crowd
Was booing very early in the game. And they do it alot. And they’ve been doing it all year, even in games we’ve won. Almost as fickle as the fans on this board.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
We boo early in the game because the team shows ZERO heart dude
that means quit and cry about it? I can hardly afford my rent right now and I figure out a way to go to the games each week and ineptitude is what I get. I dont have the right to boo? Every time they made plays and sometimes even when they didn’t we got loud. Fans boo when the product sucks and the wheels on the bus go round and round. Sounds like BJ could use a little dose of MAN THE FUCK UP!!
Excuse my language Ed
FIRE Perry Fewell
Oh
And they were booing our RBs and Eli even though it was the line and receivers who were sucking.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
A boo is a boo
You can’t just boo the offensive line who would even know?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
We don't boo specific players buddy
I was booing at times last night and zero of it was directed at any single player on the team. How can you say they were booing this guy or that guy? You read 80,000 minds at once?
FIRE Perry Fewell
Yes
Cause I’m sure when Eli throws a touchdown to Cruz they are cheering at how well one of our linemen picked up a blitz. Until halfway into that game all of the posts on here were all about how horrible the RBs and Eli were, not the line. It’s pretty obvious who they were booing.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
LOL...are you telling me what I was booing now?
Yes, at the games we often talk about blitz pickups and good blocks after TDs. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that you’re a young guy/gal.
FIRE Perry Fewell
True
I tend to not like saying how old I am to strangers online. Let’s just say I’m old enough that Leonard Marshall and Rodney Hampton were two of my favorites when I was younger. Not some big old timer but old enough that Dave Brown and Ray Handley will be burned into my memory forever… Maybe that’s why I am less itchy when we stink hehe.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
LOL...because I'm a stalker/murderer
I find my victims by asking their age and with that info alone I find them and kill em. I can talk about Sam Huff and Y.A. Tittle doesn’t mean I saw it. I really couldn’t care less and it’s not like I’m old or anything (28) it was just a guess. Your reaction answered the question anyway.
FIRE Perry Fewell
Wow
Since apparently anything short of a photo ID and Birth Certificate is not enough to prove I’m not some teenager I guess I’ll just have to deal with you not believing me. I just don’t like spouting off how old I am on forums. I’m assuming Huff was not one of your favorites when you were younger. Hampton is still probably my favorite player ever, probably why I immediately took to Jacobs since they were both big 27s.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
midnight blue
doesnt understand the concept of booing. Check the philly blogs and their fanbase and you will be mind dazzled at what booing goes on there.
Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$
I agree
That some of the other fans are worse. I just am sick of feeling like I’m on the Philly page every time the Giants have a bad game. Our team goes from horrible and everyone should just turn the game off to we are amazing and going to the Superbowl every other play even during good games. If we don’t get a touchdown in the drive people are already on the verge of booing. And I’m sure the players don’t want to have to listen to that.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
They shouldn't
but in this game boos were valid. 10 points againt a 3-6 team. 17 points allowed to a team with a backup QB missing their best receiver?
by The Cole Train on Nov 21, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'll agree with all of that
I was embarassed for most of that game. Our run/pass blocking was horrible, too many dropped passes, no pass rush, lots of stuff to be unhappy with. I guess I know I would be unhappy if I was being booed even if it was deserved. I’m sure feeling like I was being booed because other teammates were being awful would be worse.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Who expects a TD every drive?
We sometimes boo a little too early (I’m not usually one of the premature booers hehe) last night wasn’t one of those times. They stunk it up deserved to be booed, cry me a river!
FIRE Perry Fewell
We shouldnt even expect a TD in the first half with that O line.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
cmon man
we boo when it is warranted. Do you and/or Jacobs expect loud happy cheers when the entire team puts a pathetic, heartless effort out on the field? Fans boo when they feel it is warranted, and last night it almost always was. We got very, very loud every time the iggles had a 3rd down and then we would inevitably sit back down and quiet down because we couldnt stop them. Then on offense we got excited thinking this was going to be the drive where we broke out, and it never happened. The booing was completely warranted.
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
That was bullshit!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
seriously Jacobs?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Reese's machinations with the offensive line were questionable this offseason
I had never heard much about Baas, and he didn’t rank in PFF’s top 10 FA centers.
Bringing back Diehl was awful. He was a terrible LT the last couple of years, and we just expected him to become a good LG?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
100% agree
Beatty was actually pretty good out there by himself all night on a VERY good pass rusher in Cole.
I also think they should try and move Diehl to RT, bench Mack, he’s been terrible, and put Andrews in at LG and see how he does.
Baas showed some flashes earlier this year, but I don’t know if he’s just not 100% or what?
Baas is clearly not a 100%
Still he’s not the issue….. not to mention Chris Snee is in the twilight zone or something.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
He was sick from the first half of offensive play
he was actually getting an IV at halftime which is why Boothe was in at the start of the 3rd qtr.
Was he sick in the first eight games too??
Fell off this year, i dont agree with Ed saying he hasnt been good in years though becuse he played like him self last year.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
He did fall off this year
but I do think he was one of the better guards in football last year, just maybe not AS good as he was in the last 3 or so yrs.
I am surprised though at how quickly Mack has deteriorated. He was a major surprise at how good he was last year everyone thought he was done.
If Snee was that sick
He shouldnt have been playing. And booths for Deihl is Long overdue. I kinda hope that TC loses his job this year. Time for some attitude adjustment around here. Don’t want us to fail but we didnt get rid of Ohara and richie till they got hurt our line was playing great when Boothe Beatty and richie were playing. I wouldve took a chance on bringing richie back instead of Deihl
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So if the oline is putrid........
as a staff, don’t you have to do things schematically to hide your deficencies…..not exploit them to fit your idea of what the offense should be….curtail your game plan to the personnel. They seem to do it well when they are forced to through injuries
by giantsbizzybody1 on Nov 21, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions
Not only does Kareem
Look like Suge Knight he plays like him
Well ...
I say this again. How do you ‘tailor’ anything when nothing works?
by Ed Valentine on Nov 21, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Every play was a jail break
I’d have loved to see some screens to Scott, but I have very little confidence that it would have mattered
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
its funny too
because it seemed as though the eagles were running jailbreaks and these play fakes are so slow to develop, they just morphed into blitzes
Ed thats like ....bring the cart before the horse.....
You tailor to their strengths…..they do have strengths and weaknesses….. Nothing is working because they are trying to fit a circle into a square, that is why everything seems to be a struggle. If they are adamant about running Jacobs….(just a suggestion:how about SINGLE BACK-STR8 AHEAD OFF TACKLE RUNS….get him going down hill… The runs they are calling are for Bradshaw.
Or run on passing downs
Pass on running downs……I have seen teams with less talent on the oline(ie-teams playing backups bcuz of injury) run better
by giantsbizzybody1 on Nov 21, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ed
Did u see what Detroit did to chicago theyre first game his yr??? Instead of tying to use their TE to block on some runs they released him so an lb (Briggs or Urlacher) would hav to follow instead of attacking the play which created more space for Best. So you can’t say nothing works when everything hasn’t been tried. That’s called being creative. I could draw up a pull to the middle
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our TE was not catching the ball lastnight
and LB’s dont have to follow a TE, a safety could be used.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That's if the safety was in the box
If not its one of he lbz responsibility. You prally didn’t see the game to know what I’m talking about. And since when does only safeties hav TE responsibility? What of they’re playing cover 2 or quarters or cov 3 but the TE is on he opposite side of the safety drop?? Really dude really safeties always hav that responsibility. Happy u weren’t my coach
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Certain people get so offensive when i say something, what the hell you blogging for then, LMAO, i love it.
anyway,
I know exactly what you are talking about but once again if offensive players are not completeing plays, you think the defense is going to be paying them much attention regardless of what you try??
You are saying try this and try that but if your TE is not catching the ball and your offensive line is playing horribly…..how can you say come up with all these creative things? to get the run going…if you cant xecute the basics, then how do you execute something that may take even more time?
If your O line sucks, your back will suck most likely, Barry Sanders is retired bro.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
CMon man
Thats Ballards first bad game all year and u talking like he been herendous! And even so you gotta respect it bc if u don’t and some’em bad happens than its all on him. Its about being creative trying diff things to exploit and get an advantage
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree but im talking about last nights game not the future
and i love Jake Ball-Hard but once he started dropping the ball, the defense didnt even care that he was open anymore.
and i agree with being creative but the one thing thats hard to overcome in football is a bad Offensive line, it drops everyone else’s potential severly.
I agree with what you want to do as far as creativity goes but when you cant execute basics creativity comes off as stupidity. I say we knuckle up and buckle up. We have to win individual battles in the trenches, if we cant do that then Eli will be last years Jay Cutler…… every man on that line has a decision to make within himself, all the creativity in the world wont help unless that decision is to not take it anymore.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
You can only tailor suits..not football teams
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
short quick passes work. Nicks and Ham love them.
and the screen game shouldn’t come and go as Ahmad Bradshaw does. That’s how. Simple really, and they did it earlier in the season when nothing worked. THen stuff started to work and they stopped it. And the circle is complete. Hopefully it keeps going.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Exactly
When Scott is used In plays in space—although in limited fashion— they’ve worked. I’ve said b4 we have a finesse line not the maulers we would need to run a power run game like we used to. We need more creative runs than a pull leading up he middle. Dont hav the personnel for that
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We dont have a finess line either
The O line is not good at anything right now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Lmao
Im trying to giv them some credit
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maaaaan....Visa couldnt give these guys credit right now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sounds about right to me
I just think TC gets way too much of a pass on all this
I can’t remember Diehl’s last really good game, but he’s still out there. Petrus should start playing just to see if he’s got anything. And I’d keep Boothe out there too. At this point you need to find out about what you’ve got, cause its clear what you don’t have.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Stubborness
I said on an earlier thread. This is what we run and we will run it I dont care who we are playing. Instead of running a quick slant to Nicks to get some yards or Scott. No!!!! get up to the line call Omaha 10 times and run the same play since 2006. Because according to Col. Sanders and Eyes to close “this is our offense and when we execute it ,it works” Well hello coach ! this s__t isnt working.
Please give Mitch Peppers a chance
What the hell could it hurt? I mean the guy isn’t even active there is no thought about benching anybody on this line. That is on the coach.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Snee
Last night Snee was horrible.
I think the Giants should pull Diehl, move Baas over to LG (his natural position), and put Boothe in at C. Keep McKenzie on a short leash with Andrews as the backup and also consider playing Petrus over Snee.
I am so completely tired of Baas’s shortgun snaps hitting Eli in the shins. Every time that happens Eli has to take his eyes off the defense.
by Masakari on Nov 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
I'm telling ya
Somene has to get cut if there is any chance of a rebirth on the OL
They need some big time motivation
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
As poorly as Diehl has played, I'm not sure Cordle, Petrus or Kevin Boothe is a better option
it sure as hell wouldn’t hurt trying.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Your thoughts?
Really? Do you want the unfiltered opinion or more of a PG13 version?
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I vote unfiltered
I used to love a pack of Camels
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Ha
Camel unfiltered – old school. Back when smoking was healthy.
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LSMFT
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Ah...the pioneer of the smoking world
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Carl Nicks and Ben Grubbs are FAs after this season
but we’ll probably just draft a guard in the 5th round and never play him.
I'LL RAISE YOU ONE
And say Reese doesn’t even go O-line his year and say we hav a plan! There are guys we drafted that we’ve been developing that haven’t played yet
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Petrus and Andrews would probably ball out
The thing is we dont like young players playing unless its a must….i mean look how long we had to suffer with Diehl before they gave the job to Beatty.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I think Petrie is a free agent after next year
So even using him next yr could end up being a waste. And if he’s not playing than idk what that says about his skill level or our coaches stubbornness.
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he is a fine player
TC eevn said so himslef so its clearly the stubborness which hurts me every day.
Another thing is, WTF do the Giants just think the D line is that damn good because i know some of the O lines faults have to show up daily in practice. Do they just chalk it up to having a very very good D line or what?
O line cant look that good in practice to just put them out there week after week and act like we have Nick Mangold out there.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Ben Grubbs would be awesome
neither of those guys will be leaving tho
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Tough to say for sure if a player is leaving or not
since you have no idea lol. But it would be hard to see the Saints or Ravens letting these guys walk.
No i dont know for sure but counting on those guys walking is a waste of time.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
there is nothing wrong with a little UNPREDICTABILITY
iN 08 THEY USE TO RUN jACOBS ON STRECH RUNS OFF TACKLE……non-existent. When we didnt have the talent at wr like we do now, they ran 5wr sets…..non-existent. When we had 21 in the backfield they ran inside screens….non-existent. Even when Scott is in…..its not really creative to pitch to the fastest guy on your team……How about trying to run him inside….let him get some flow to the gm…..But really the only reason he even saw the field was due to injury…that is only way this staff plays its rookies.
by giantsbizzybody1 on Nov 21, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions
"They just need time to 'Gel'." Right?
We were told earlier in the season that this group just needed time to get comfortable with each other. It’s starting to look like that might not happen. Ever.
I’m as optimistic as anybody when it comes to this team. The truth is, this loss falls squarely on the Invis-O-line and the receivers (Except maybe Cruz). If they continue to play like this, we won’t even get close enough to sniff the playoffs. Not that it would matter because we’d probably just lose in the first round even if we did sneak in somehow.
The Eagles O-line is a good example of what we were promised. Earlier in the season, they looked pitiful. Last night they were impressive, especially in pass protection. Obviously the pieces are coming together for that bunch. It’s becoming obvious that our unit just may be getting too old.
Team Win Ugly.
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
Their pass protection was aided by our inexplicable decision to not bring any pressure
Notice how Eggs started in max protect
Then went to full routes, cause why not if the d only sends 3 and telegraphs it
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Not totally sold on that assessment
Peters played phenomenal yesterday as they all did but that could’ve been jus high adrenaline or emotion running for the game yest. B/c Vick still has been hit the 2nd most out of all QBs in league and that hits sacks pressures. So I give a lot of Credit to Peters but the whole line I can’t say there coming together jus off yest performance gotta look @ their years work
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't have access to the week-to-week numbers.
Just based on how different they looked last night vs. week 3. NFL.com stats say their line has allowed 3 fewer QB hits and 2 fewer sacks than ours.
Team Win Ugly.
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
by BleedBigBlue on Nov 21, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
All they kept talking about all week was
How Chicago was the worst and Philly was second in pressures sacks hits allowed. Said it on multiple shows. Idk
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my thoughts on the future of this line
from left to right:
- Beatty: i’m thoroughly impressed with what i’ve seen from him this year. i think and hope he’ll grow into an even better tackle going forward. he’s fine.
- Diehl: i try to keep in mind that he’s been a good Giant for a long time every time i see his face and want to spit on my TV. that said, when this season is over, the david diehl era is over. his replacement?
- Baas: move Baas over to LG, where i hope he fares better than he has at C. he is the QB of that line. if the line is underperforming, it’s his responsibility to make sure they don’t. now, alot of the stuff is from guys getting beat one on one, and that’s not his fault. but when guys come in unblocked, when this line can’t get it done, you relinquish the role from their leader. move him to LG, and look to FA for a REAL center.
-Snee: it’s time to draft Snee’s replacement. Ed’s right, he’s been slowly regressing, but so slowly that we never took full notice til now. now his warts have come out. he’s got another year, maybe two, left in those big bones. by then, hopefully a drafted guard will be ready for primetime.
-Mackenzie: well at least he’s made our decision easy this year about what to do when he hits FA. if he was still playing like last years Mac, we’d all be saying we have to keep him in the fold. so it’s a blessing in disguise that he hit the wall before he became a FA, not after. look to FA for a new tackle, and towards the draft as well.
this line needs to be blown up. reshuffle, reassign, demote, promote, hire from without, bring a young bull to come push these old ones around for their job…whatever you do, make sure you do something.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Good assessment, i say keep Baas at center but lets not act like he's not almost 30
so drafting his replacement might be a good idea as well. He has been injured and i still think he is a good center though.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he's been good at times, slightly average others
i’m more worried about the way the line is playing with him manning the middle, moreso than his individual performance. after o’hara and seubert holding the line together so well for so long, your expectations increase, and you want it to continue on through the successors.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
I'm gonna start the Replace Coughlin Talk Now Lmao
But seriously there’s no way a rookie or younger guy should hav to wait till injuries or unfortunate events transpire b4 they play. That’s that old school mentality that jus doesn’t fly anymore in this league. Good teams and coaches find ways to use their guys effectively b4 they’re eased for free agency not a yr b4 than its to late. And that jus doesn’t go for the running backs
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The O-line has been serviceable for last 4 weeks or so
Lets just hope it was a match up issue with a dominate D-line and not the start of a total breakdown. Next 6 games could make for a long painful Winter.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 1:47 PM EST reply actions
We thought the game would go otherwise....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I take this one
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You assume they were friends.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
See...the only problem with that is that we are going to have to beat other good defensive lines if we want to make a run.
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Don't use logic when I am grasping for straws!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bro make a run?
I think the only run this team is making is out of the tunnel before the game.
And that even results in an injury
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AT LEAST 3 ACLs lmao
At least I’m not the only one that sees us finishing 8-8 or 9-7 highly doubt we get to 10-6…….. Jus being honest
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eagles,DL isn't dominant, it's very good
We made them look dominant
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
That is my point
perhaps it is a personnel thing that exploited all the weaknesses of the O-line. That or they just suck.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Now I am really upset that the Giants didn't bring back Tiki
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Shawn Andrews
Find him, sign him, inject him with pain killers and put him in at LG. He’d be ten times better than Diehl.
NO WAY haha just said the same thing
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
NO WAY haha just said the same thing
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think 10x is not doing him justice
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
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Oh if he was healthy
he would have his choice of which position he whould play, LG or RT, maybe even RG…..damn his back issues!!!, smh, he is exactly whats missing
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
So....is Shawn Andrews available?
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions
No one got him?
And are we still allowed to sign people? If they’re both eys I better see Reese announcing he’s back.
by The Cole Train on Nov 21, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
He was out there but it is hard to see when you are on the Invis-o-line
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
that's stacy andrews. I want Shawn
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
No Shawn is there too, just can't see em
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
in a game when the Giants couldn't run at all....
how many times did the Giants run 4 WRs out there?
how many snaps did Barden even get?
TeamJPP
how many
slants did u see? how many times was manningham getting the ball? how many times did eli make an audible and check to a pass?
Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$
The game plan was to stay away from HAM because Asante was on him
and we all know he has Eli’s #….all of them, house, cell, office etc.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Never we didn't go 4wide not 1 snap
Its fucking mind boggling how we refuse to use what’s available to us bc we hav this belief from fucking Coughlin that we hav to be this tough physical power oriented team. I wish we had Norv Turner seriously only bc he would use the offensive talent we hav effectively! Not bc I think he’s he best thing since solve bread b4 any1 says anything
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
one good thing to take away
from this game is Victor Cruz has now destroyed Nnamdi Asomugha on 3 scoring TDs
Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$
Yea with all those chips he got
you think he’d be able to handle a lil salsa.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
nice
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 21, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yuuuuuuup
Cant believe I was worried about us having to play him. Now that he’s onna prime time team he really looks average. He had hat whole mystique b4. Now he’s jus ordinary
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you forget
when the raiders had him, the raiders were still allowing chunks of yardage and nnamdi was prob just not targeted bc well hey why not go elsewhere where the raider CBs are worse than him… he has been average on the eagles.
Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$
They actually had a top 5
Pass defense I believe his last 3years they jus got beat so many other ways it made him irrelevant
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanksgiving...
Thanks guys! Now I may get the treat of watching the Cowboys widen the gap in the East. You might as well spit on my yams and piss in one of my 20 beers.
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Miami looks like a whole new team
Every NFC East team looks pitiful this year so there’s no guarantees.
by The Cole Train on Nov 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Your only gonna drink 20 Beers
Damn bro I thought you had more in you than that! Lol
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha
I tried to max out last night. I can’t remember if I blacked out or not.
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We were cheering you on but boo'ed at the end...
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Sign that kid..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Lmao
Thats what I’m talking bout bro that’s the kind of effortwe appreciate around here
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So we are now realizing that it is a rebuilding year for our Oline???
Should have drafted Solder!!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Can't say nothing about that till we see more of Prince. and from what I saw last night, he seemed pretty good.
Also, Solder was taken before us.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think
we should do in the draft this year? Address needs early eg LB and OL, or go Reee it and get Best Defensive Lineman Available?
by The Cole Train on Nov 21, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Still too early to see about next years draft, just going on what we passed up.
it will be a toss up IMO for next year.
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 21, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
They should have
been scouting prospects already this year.
by The Cole Train on Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is, I don't think we go LB. Our linebackers may suck right now. But Kiwi and Boley are pretty damn good.
As far as the young ’uns…..no LB in this draft will be smarter than Herzlich or Jones. No LB in this draft is more athletically gifted than Jacquain.
All these LBs need is experience. They are young. If we get a new LB, they will still have growing pains. Look at Mason Foster this year…struggling. Akeem Ayers? Struggling. Rolando McClain sucked his rookie year….as did Sean Weatherspoon.
I’d love to get Cordy Glenn or David Decastro…two best guards in draft.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah probably not.
We have 2 6th rounders, and an UDFA starting games which tells you that they don’t care about the position especially when they’re scared of Scott making a mistake.
Glenn and DeCastro would be epic at this point. Our line needs major help. But we never drafted a guard in what 10 years in the first?
by The Cole Train on Nov 21, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I heard we were looking for Mike Pouncey last year.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Can you really say our LB's suck right now and then say Kiwi and Biley are pretty damn good?
doesnt that mean that they dont suck?
I honestly think we go TE if there is a worthy on in rounds 1 or 2. Even if Ballard is the guy, Bekum is done and Bear is a hybrid FB….we are going to need assistance and if there is a top flight guy i would grab him.
Other than that BPA all day and thats cause i think Petrus and Brewer will be talented players if, well….we LET THEM PLAY!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
LB's suck meaning when Boley was out, the replacements suck....haha my bad. As in GJ, Jacquain, Herz, Paysinger
Also, there isn’t a 1st round worthy TE in the this draft. Dwayne Allen is the best, but he’s a mid 2nd rounder.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Good info on the TE situation.
GJ is not a starting caliber mike backer from a sideline to sideline standpoint IMO, honestly he’s more of a tampa 2 sam backer to me. No one has the potential to take Goffs job unless its Herzlich and even he will have a difficult time.
Boley is a beast and i love Williams and Paysinger but the problem is they all play the same position and that is the run, chase and cover backer….typically slotted on the weak side. I do think Williams replaces Boley in 2 years though.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Thing is, Blue...we just don't know yet. LB is a situation where experience is the biggest
thing you can have. Williams shows the most potential. He’s made a few mistakes, but for the most part, he has held his own and you could see in run defense yesterday, he sniffed out plays and stopped them.
Same with Herz. GJ got his chance early on, but screwed up on a few plays, so he’s been getting less. You need more than a season to evaluate who will rise to the top. From what I’ve seen, there’s a ton of talent, just a question of it being realized or not. That’s why I think not only do we not draft a LB, I don’t think we should.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Completely agree with every word.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Can we be done with this Best Player Available ish!
Eventually when you hav a need you hates to fill it! If u need a winter coat u can’t keep buying sweaters hoodies spring jackets leather jackets jus because it’s the best price option and best looking. Eventually you’ll hav to buy one or freeze ur ass off.
Can y’all please not be to literal with this metaphor!!!!! Thanks in Advance
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was most impressed by Prince when he caught McCoy from behind...
and push him out of bounds. I know it didn’t matter because the game was lost already but at least he didn’t just stand there.
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I'm not sure if he gave up a single reception last night.
The one big one he let go was because it was out of his zone, so he did the right thing and the LB messed up.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely J-Wills fault
I don’t understand why if we’re going to play some on 3rd Down and long why aren’t they dropping to The sticks why are any of them paying attention to the short routes designed to create space for whats actually needed??? Frustrates the hell outta me, were better off playing press and sending 6 or 7 bc these zones aint getting it done on 3rd Dow
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh thank god that didn't happen
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Jaber Gaffney tells a Cowboys fan to kill himself via twitter,
“3-7 ain’t a record to be proud of I’m just proud I ain’t you get a life or kill urself,” he tweeted.
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Goodell
that will be fifty thousand Mr. Gaffney. Thank you. Your order will be ready in 2 minutes.
Cruz >>> $Nnamdi$
Ring it up!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
very true
stupid tweet by Gaffney. Twitter should be outlawed if you’re an athlete. Too many of them are too stupid to realize what they are actually tweeting.
Yea, and no face mask either!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
50??..... 75 or better
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Comments like
D-Jax’s actions like that, Jacobs comments. . . makes you wonder why ayone of us gives a sit about these teams.
Our line just plain stinks this year..and there ain't a damn thing they can do about it..
They have shown more decline week to week..Absolutely no improvement..They are going to cost us any chance of the play-offs..You can’t not have an effective O-line and expect to get into the tournament…that’s a fact..plus they are letting our QB to get killed..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
My thoughts are plan B is needed
Replace the worst starter. It isn’t clear to the average fan but it is clear to the coaching staff which guard sucks the most and how bad is our right tackle.
Ever wonder why.......
we collapse in the second half of the season, it is because coaches like Andy Read and others study and find ways to limit plays that we have success with. By half a season almost all the remaining teams find a way to take away our strength. Unlike our coaches who keep coming with the same crap not realizing you have to adjust. This is a game of strategy, if your opponent has figured out your plan, it’s time to counter, We don’t counter we keep coming with the same plays, hence the second half collapse.
All the Eagles did last night was provide protection for Vince and have him do simple plays.
They have until Monday to figure something out..but I don't think they will at this point..
The only thing that will help this team is Coughlin ripping their asses out from here on in..Screw that crap he has..the team counsel..He needs to get on their asses everyday..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Has to include the coaching staff
or there will be no credibility.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Some news from the twitterverse
#giants safety antrel rolle: when I saw eli get hit late, it took everything I had to not go on the field….
Chris Canty sums up the Giants’ anger: “We got punched in the mouth and didn’t do anything about it.” #NYG
That message was delivered in very “candid” fashion in the Giants’ defensive meeting today, said Canty and DE Justin Tuck. #NYG
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions
It is funny every one Coughlin, the players make these speeches after they frigging blow it
Show up for the damn game..I don’t need post-game speeches..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I mean, its better than Jacobs saying
“The fans suck, all they do is boo”
And it shows team solidarity, which is good.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
While his comments about the fans are bullshit...
He did say that right after he said this:
“It was absolutely pathetic,” said Jacobs, who’s averaging 3.0 yards per carry this season. "It’s the worst I’ve ever experienced in my seven years of playing. We usually are in the top two, top three in the league (in rushing). And now, we are 30th.
“Ultimately, it’s my fault, because I’m the one carrying the ball,” he said. “But I just hope we get it right.”
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Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
true.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I actually credit him for saying that. If he was really the team cancer everyone claims he is he would have actually said we can’t run because the line sucks and everyone involved knows it.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 21, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
This
pretending to be pissed after the faxt on twitter doesn’t impress me one bit. Get mad on the field not on monday!!! I almost prefer what BJ said lol.
FIRE Perry Fewell
By the way, I'm just posting this for the sake of there being some quotes. I have no opinion either way.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
29 lousy yards running..pathetic..Getting your QB beat to death..pathetic..
Receivers with chicken wing grease on their hands so they can’t catch..pathetic…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Out to the woodshed with all of em
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!..'ol Chuck is 73..He could outplay any of our guys..
But I have grown tired of ‘The Total Gym’ commercials…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Has your monitor cracked yet?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Haha..he must be shadow boxing..but I am wearing safety glasses now just in case..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Weak line - old news
News Flash the OL has been weak all season AND last. Reese’s lack of effective off season replacements has left the Giants with virtually no running game. If the passing game is not perfect, they will lose every game. The defense was on the field so long yesterday that they must have been tired by the last drive by Philly. Not only did Reese need to replace the Linemen he let go, he needed to replace a couple of the aged holdovers. Also we need a big time Middle linebacker. I am so sick of teams killing us over the middle. For some reason he seems to think that middle linebacker is not important.
Time to stop acting like Beatty is playing well
I know the urge is to try to make out like he is not part of the problem because you know Reese drafted him and all and the desire for the redemption story, but really the guy hasn’t been good. The DE just has to take an inside move and he is getting by Beatty and Diehl is having to deal with him. That is part of why Diehl has appeared to really struggle this year. Beatty has also been really lucky this year getting away with holds. If the zebras didn’t get a memo this year to ignore that part of the rule book Beatty would be drawing all sorts of yellow laundry. The entire OL has been bad, including Beatty, let’s stop giving him the Reese drafted him benefit of the doubt card.
Umm
I know the urge is to try to make out like he is not part of the problem because you know Reese drafted him and all and the desire for the redemption story, but really the guy hasn’t been good.
lulwut?
You could have said literally any other OL…any one…be it a starter, petrus, boothe, whoever….and I wouldn’t have a problem. But you went against the dude who’s given up I think only 3 sacks all year….none to Trent Cole (twice!) or Brian Orakpo and is playing the most difficult position on the OL.
Not to mention he’s been one of the least flagged players on the Giants and one of the least in the division. He isn’t elite, but he’s above average. And if you haven’t noticed, there’ve been so many holds by other OT as well…..shit happens.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I knwo the holds are being ignored all over
Obviously the league wants to see the passing game succeed so we see holds go uncalled. I’m just saying that Beatty would be getting called pretty regularly by previous standards.
When you watch Beatty gets a lot of help. I’m not seeing him mano e mano beat those guys. His run blocking has been suspect as well, and I thought that was supposed to be his thing coming out of college. I haven’t seen a guy that is above average. I’d say he’s done better than his previous shots at playing, but still just up to the level of mediocre not above average.
there's no time for that
since its false.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Thank you
Thought I was the only one who noticed this. Just because he might be playing “better” than the rest of the line, does not mean a damn thing. I don’t think he is playing that great. And you are so right. I am amazed at how many times he gets away with wrapping his arm around his man’s neck or body to HOLD him off Eli. But he never gets called. Just because there seems to be a moratorium on holding calls in the NFL does not mean Beatty is a good LT.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agree on Beatty
If he didn’t hold he’d have no moves whatsover.
He’s just not good on his feet, i’d move him inside to take Dieh’s sport and find a LT in the draft next year. He’ll never be more than mediocre.
Michael Coe to IR....lost for the season due to shoulder surgery.
YAY!
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Yeah...just crazy
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I was worried
I didnt hear about an injury all day… I thought something was wrong. Now its back to the norm
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 21, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
fixed
I didnt hear about an injury all day to a CB… I thought something was wrong. Now its back to the norm
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, that makes more sense
I laughed, then cried… then cried some more… sigh
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 21, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
What is it with us and Corners dying
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
I agree completely
I’ve never felt stronger about anything ever in my entire life. I’m getting that tattooed on my back.
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Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
that whole Best Player Available is great...
when you can use the player. But we obviously needed OL and LB in round 1 and 2. I don’t care if there is a great DE. Fill the damn hole please.
I’m a firm believer in, things don’t get fixed until they break. So, this won’t change until a staff change is made and we just don’t do those type of things.
Well you are right..This best player jazz is fine..
But when you have an obvious need like in our case on the O-line..You don’t sit there and pick a damn fullback…If everything is rosey..you pick the best player available..otherwise fix the problems..Having said that nothing is going to fix thisO-line anytime soon..the draft, buying people, nothing..we’re stuck with what we have for now.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
That's exactly what the hell I've been saying
This BPA shit only works like u said when they can play soo or immediately. JPP was fine but this yrs draft wasn’t bad it’s jus he latter part of 10 and the Jernigan pick is what pissed me off. Really a WR in round 3 when you’ve got 9 guys already coming to camp. Some say well we got him for returns…….. Well we’re not even using him for that and the way the KO rules are he’ll prally never be effective. We def don’t need him as a receiver if we can’t even use Barden. Complete Baffoonery by JR and Coughlin n Co.
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I didn't understand drafting Jernigan..at all..We could have had a shot at Pouncey..
Why another wide receiver?..Hell I don’t know..Now we have a shit O-line..With a bunch of talented receivers that will hardly see a ball because our line stinks..aah!!grrrr
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
What LB should we have taken?
only Von Miller was taken in the first round… You can argue we should have taken Costanzo, not sure how his rookie year is going
I was hoping so
but I dont see fewell getting a head coaching job
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
signing Tiki
May not have been so bad after all…
Take it from someone who follows the Niners closely as well
No one took Baas’ talent. He’s just not that good. Strong, slow guard. He had trouble staying in the starting lineup for the Niners even before they drafted Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati. He’s not the worst player in the world, but he’s a guy you’re always going to want to upgrade on.
McKenzie and Diehl were the biggest culprits last night though to my eyes. They were getting beat just about every play, especially McKenzie versus the pass. I think the guy is just too slow now.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 21, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions
Well that's just great
We decided to sign him for 5yrs/27 million!!!!!! Kudos to us we’ve solved out problems @ center time to focus on upgrading our D-Line
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you
Did nobody else notice this? JR cut his ProBowl (although injured) center and replaced him with a guy that nobody else really wanted. And that was supposed to be a great answer for a team with Super Bowl aspirations? JR totally F’ed up this O line situation and has been doing it for many years. They guy is so obsessed with defense since it “seemed” the defense carried the Giants to the SB against NE. However, in my opinion, it was the fact that the Giants had just about the best Oline in the game that allowed them to be so successful in 2007-08. (and in every other year they have been good or won Super Bowls)
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Eh I thought Diehl played better than Snee in pass pro last night
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions
they were about equal.
And by equal I mean poopie.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
piles of it
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
first move
Boothe gets the start against New Orleans.
In his limited action this season I have not yelled at him once, this must mean he’s been doing his job.
Secondly, play to cover up the weakness… we wouldn’t be the first team in the league to have a bad O-line and switch to, as someone put it, a west coast style of offense. They’ve got the personel for it.
Third draft us a few guys.
For those who are griping that Reese shoulda drafted this guy or that guy in this past draft… news flash… he wouldn’t have played this year anyway. These guys take a some time to develop, especially on a Coughlin coached team.
They do have a stockpile mentality with positions of weakness, but they will usually grab the best available guy in the first few rounds.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I've got a solution
You Mentioned Couglin, well I say cut the head off and the rest of the body will fall. Get rid of Coughlin and his mentality
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
damn dude, you are going on a rampage today haha
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The man needs to vent..I don't need to vent anymore..
I just need to wake up in the morning…If I achieve that, I’m happy..I get another chance to see our team screw up..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
haha.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying getting rid of Coughlin
Is the Short term answer jus the Long term Solution
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree
but we all have our views on things.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 21, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm jus tired of him and his beliefs
Were not using the talent available to us properly. And u can say Gilbride or Fewell but TC has to approve what they want or gives them things that he wants so he doesn’t want 4wide sets doesn’t want Scott doesn’t want 3rd down blitzes so it’s on Him
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Boothe should def be starting over Deihl
But it’s only gonna make me mad and upset talking bout something that should but won’t happen
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not the answer
Coughlin has done a good job to this point in the season given all the crap he’s had to deal with.
Injuries and Free agency demolished any real chance the Giants had this season before the first snap on 9-11. This crew was pasted together out of what was supposed to be a competitive team, but how many components can ya lose before weaknesses start to show.
There are only so many problems a team can address in one season…
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
If you haven't noticed he always does
Jus ask itself this: if Alex Smith and VY had good games against us, what is Dree Brees and A-Rod gonna do with much better offenses to exploit our defeciencies. They’re gonna Kill our zones. And honestly getting rid of his philosophy is the long term answer. JRs drafting to keep up with the league but he’s stuck in the past
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm far from a Coughlin apologist
I’ve called for his head in the past, but I don’t feel like he’s at fault for this at all.
Switching philosophies may sound great, but what is the next guy in line gonna say that Coughlin isn’t already preaching… Play tough sound mistake free games and play them all the way through to the end, finish… sounds pretty consistent with what I wanna see on Sundays.
The thoughts are on the right track… It’s just tough when most of the O-line sh*ts the bed at the same time. suddenly the best laid plans are worth no more than the pen that wrote ’em.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
You mean the way Brady tore us up?
It’s not the talent we’re playing against, it’s the level of effort that the Giants feel like playing with on that particular day. They have no leaders. They can’t get up for a game against Philly? and Smith didn’t exactly light us up. They were kicking field goals most of the game. It’s our O that is hurting us. Can’t sustain drives. Can’t keep the D fresh.
For some reason the Giants players thought they were playing SB XLII part II when they went to NE. They were all pumped up and the team played a good game. They won, celebrated like they won the SB and have not won since. Pathetic leadership.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Here is the tool
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Reese
Puts the players on the team. Coughlin just coaches them. JR ignored this Oline even though he knew he was going to cut 2 probowl players from the interior of the line.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
of course Gilbride is not going to do this...
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
A first round Oline pick will play
in the 1st year. problem is, when is the last time the giants picked an olineman in the 1st round? these 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders are going to take time to work in. Not saying Giants didn’t have other needs and getting Nicks or JPP or Prince has been great. But the oline is a HUGE need and has been for a few years. everything revolves around that. nothing on your offense functions if you don’t have a good line.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Problem is
nobody is going to let a top quality lineman go so getting one in FA is not likely to happen. And since getting stud olineman in late rounds (especially at tackle or center) doesn’t happen too often, the prospect of rebuilding this line seems daunting. Seems like it could take years.
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Heard this second hand from someone
But they were watching Carl Banks’ take on the game.
He said that whenever there was a running play, it’d have a guard pulling. Than the linebacker in that area would shoot the open gap and stonewall us for no gain or a loss. Said that instead of trying to pull, we should just put a hat on a hat, make em get a push and have jacobs due stuff.
Also I miss Bradshaw
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Yes!!
can we please try some other running plays?
Traps, zones and whatever else is there.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 21, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody can tell That
Tired of these pulling guard power runs. It’s fine if it’s a counter but it never is. Our offensive philosophy is piss poor
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our guards can't pull their pork..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Then have someone else flick them...
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 21, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Man..that guys wife his really pissed off
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
In NO against the Saints on primetime MNF
We better show the fuck up!
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Lmfaoo
Oh I’ll be there! Jus doubt the Giants will be
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 21, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So out of all the players the Giants let walk, maybe the one they shouldn’t have was Shawn Andrews, you can’t tell me he wouldn’t be an upgrade.
By the way, if you are on Twitter, you need to be following Shawn @IMShawnAndrews you won’t be sorry.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 21, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions
About time
everybody else noticed what has been obvious the entire year. This line sucks and I’ve been saying it since last year. And it’s all JRs fault. He has completely ignored it even though he had to know he was going to cut loose two pro-bowl players from the line in the off-season. The Giants O stinks and it’s because of the line. I’ve been saying it all along, we need to stock up in the draft BIG TIME. We need to some new studs on that line if we expect to compete in this league.
And on another note, why does it seem that the Eagles are playing twice as hard and twice as fast as the Giants when these two teams play. That is either an indication that Philly has WAY more talent or that the Giants give totally pathetic effort.
Defense wins championships??
I beg to differ. Is is a coincidence that every time the Giants have won the SB, they have done so behind one of the best offensive lines in football?
by NYStateofMind on Nov 21, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
You know what I don't understand is that people were shocked that VY played well.
I think he is a better QB than Vick. He has a great record and knows how to win games…for the most part. His issues have been more work ethic and immaturity. Those character flaws are why he isn’t in Tennessee any longer. I fully expected VY to play better than say Kafka or Kolb…give him a year in the system he’ll be starting over Vick.
That being said…I hate that bastard.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Make changes
These OL guys have not done their job all year. It"s time to make changes, get rid of them.
replace with new kids, we have nothing to lose, new kids couldn’t do any worse.
OL and DL's
OL and DL’s win games. We didn’t do well in either one. bye bye 2011.
Maybe it’s time to make some drastic changes too. The team is getting worse every year.
BILL COWHER
BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER BILL COWHER
so what your saying is
you want Cowher?
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 21, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
I just played that in reverse..
It says : WESUCK WESUCK WESUCKWESUCK WESUCKWESUCK, ETC..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Lol
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Bill Cowher
is not going to make JR wake the F up and start drafting Olinemen. Or maybe he will…
by NYStateofMind on Nov 23, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
agree but.....
it’s discouraging to watch us run the same basic plays week after week. the off line was horrible but not-so bright didn’t make any adjustments to mix it up. he kept trying to force the run & put line & eli in 3rd down pass rush pressure situations. how about throwing some screens to the outside on 1st &/or 2nd down to widen up the defensive front ? how many times you going to run up the friggin middle on 1st & 2nd downs? i have been saying it for years that we have one of if not the worst off coordinator in the nfl. how about adjusting & trying to use the short pass to set up the run when you have 29 yds rushing? why keep sticking to a game plan that was not working? between not-so-bright & terrible special team coverage & return teams we lose a ton of yardage in field position. happy when we fair catch or take a knee on kickoff as it prevents the usual penalty. we are way to predictable on offense as fat andy has our # at 8-1 last 9 games.
Next years draft
We need to spend the first four picks on offensive linemen. The team will not get any better without better blocking. These guys don’t seem to have any intensity or desire to play,
they were just going through the routine. I say get rid of them now and let the new kids that
are hungry and anxious to play, we can’t get any worse.
BOOOOOOOOOO-ING
AS A SCOT WHO WATCHES FOOTBALL (SOCCER) REGULARLY THE 1 THING YO DO NOT DO IS BOO DURING THE GAME. BOO AT HALFTIME, BOO AT FULLTIME, BOO DURING QUARTERS, THEN USE THE MEDIA BY ALL MEANS TO TEAR THE TEAM A NEW ASSHOLE – BUT SUPPORT THE TEAM DURING PLAY.
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