Bill Belichick Seems To Be Under Fire In New England
by Ed Valentine on Nov 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT
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PrintThe New York Giants' opponent this week, the New England Patriots, have not won a Super Bowl since 2005. The more you read about the Pats the more you realize that Bill Belichick, the guy who used to be considered smarter than everybody else, is under some fire in Massachusetts.
Mike linked to a story this morning in which former Patriot Rodney Harrison ripped the scheme being used by the New England secondary.
SB Nation Boston is wondering if Belichick, who now wears multiple hats within the New England organization, is stretched too thin.
Here is part of what SB Nation Boston wrote about Belichick:
One look at the defensive roster should give you an idea as to why this unit has struggled so badly. Players like Gary Guyton, Rob Ninkovich, Tracy White, Antwaun Molden, and Brandon Deadrick simply don't belong on the field in an NFL game as regular contributors. In addition, the roster is loaded with aging, faded veterans like Shaun Ellis, Andre Carter, Albert Haynesworth, and Gerard Warren that also can't be counted on week to week. Finally, the younger group of players has been beset by injuries or outright lousy play from the likes of Devin McCourty and Jermaine Cunningham.
As people have begun to come around to the realization of the staggering lack of talent and depth with this group, it's important to acknowledge that there is no mystery General Manager or Defensive Coordinator calling the shots on this. The man in charge of personnel and of organizing this group is everyone's untouchable icon, Bill Belichick.
Given his outstanding track record as a coach and his keen eye for talent, the move to grant the coach more power certainly made sense, but knowing what we do now, it seems to be too much responsibility for just one man to handle.
Here is another take on Belichick's personnel decisions from Comcast Sportsnet:
The notion that the Patriots should hire a GM to take the personnel duties off of Bill Belichick's full plate may seem intriguing at first thought. But then give it a second one.
Will that GM have say over Belichick? Will that GM come from outside the organization?
Think Belichick is going to sign off on answering to someone at this juncture no matter how many high-draft picks have gone belly-up and free-agent signings have gone bust? Me, neither.
But if someone else in some other town had fanned on almost the entire 2006 draft, the entire 2007 draft, top-50 picks in '08 and '09, Adalius Thomas, Shawn Springs, Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta-Cain, Leigh Bodden, Chad Ochonono, Shaun Ellis and Albert Haynesworth? Right, that guy would be sitting next to Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards in Bristol.
This stuff doesn't mean anything when it comes to Sunday's game. I just find it interesting that Belichick, a guy who's decisions used to be above reproach, is now being questioned.
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Please cut more players with NFL experience because they were “moping in practice”. That’s terrible for long-term success and makes the job of NY easier.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
Players still want to go to NE
but they are getting older.
I don’t think Brady has the fire he used to and Belicheck looks old.
The mystique is gone.
Think about this, if Brady were to go down, they would be just like Indy.
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
He went down before and they were nothing like Indy.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
that was how many YEARS ago though
they still had almost all the team from the SB runs
They don’t anymore.
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
that was 3 years ago
and it resulted in Matt Cassel.
The Patriots are absolutely nothing like Indy, at least on offense. It makes you wonder how good Brady (and Welker…) actually are given how good their replacements did when they were injured. As in not miss a beat good.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You are actually
proving my point.
they have slid in those years when you compare them to, well, themselves.
Cassell has done nothing great in KC. I think he was a product of the system and NE knew it when the raped KC for the picks.
the points made are simple and accurate.
He is not a good drafter. He is handling three jobs that almost all other teams have three people for—high paid and intelligent people.
Pioli gave him tools and he made wonderful products. But he is not a DC anymore and as above, his war room history is pitiful.
Do I think he is still heads and shoulder above most coaches, yeah, but the other aspects he is pedestrian
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Cassel took the team to the playoffs
considering what KC’s been over the past decade, that’s great and the team looks like its the best in the division again.
The point is NE is nothing like Indy. The team isn’t drastically different from the SB one, at least on offense. Randy Moss wasn’t Randy Moss when Cassel was there that year, he was the same pain in the ass he was in Oakland.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
you're right that the teams are not analogous
but (A) Cassel did NOT take the team tot he playoffs and (B) they went 11-5 against the AFC west, NFC west, and 4 wins against the Bills and Dolphins.
Look at the schedule results: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_New_England_Patriots_season
They literally did not win a game against a tough opponent, they lost all their games vs. strong opponents.
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 2, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
11-5 is 11-5, this isn't college football.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
point being...
oh yeah, you’re that guy.
Anyways, it’s a FACT that Cassel did not take them to the playoffs. You can say it was, but then you’d be a blocking tight end
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, I'm the one that understands that 11-5 is 11-5
its not their fault it didn’t earn them a playoff birth.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
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Cassel took the team to the playoffs
the defense rests.
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 2, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
the defense is forgetting that I was talking about the Cheifs
and while he didn’t take them to the playoffs with his play, they went to the playoffs.
Sit the next one out.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
you're out of order
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 2, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that is a lot of shitty teams
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
as a coach he did sh*t with Browns
having a QB like Brady will make any coach look like a genius.
He took them to a playoff game and beat the Parcells led Pats. Browns have won a playoff game since then.
His SB 25 game plan is in the HoF. Pretty sure SB 36 is also in.
Parcells has not won a SB or gone to one without him.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a fact..I love Parcels but Bill B. is a better coach..Sorry Bill P.
Bill B. wanted no part of the Jets…He wanted out from underneath Parcells armpit..and look what he has done..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yeah. But I do think Parcells is a better team builder. He doesn’t know how to finish it though. Ie Pats (90s) Fins, and Dallas.
I do think that’s one of the reasons why BB quit as the HC of the NYJ. When he became the HC, the ownership turmoil was similar to that of the Browns of the 90’s. He wanted to avoid that fiasco again. But b/c of that, BP and BB didn’t talk to each other till 2004. Now apparently they are BFF’s.
I always laugh when they show Parcells of BB clips on the NFL network. The one where Parcells says " Bill, don’t give me shit, your ass will be in the parking lot".
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!..yeah I remember that...
And good solid points..and they are best of friends..That bond never breaks..They were quite a combo..and they always talk..The media tried to make a big deal out of nothing as usual..
I would much prefer it if the media were banned from reporting on football..Go cover the Cricket games..India won this past year..go interview them..if you run into technical difficultie the ’Help Desk is right over there around the corner from the Cricket field…just broadcast NFL games like silent movies..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Also, BB’s friend, former Pats vice GM Scott Pioli, is married to Parcells daughter.
Parcells built hierarchy w. the Giants. Weiss, Romeo, Tom C, Al Groh (though I think that happened w. the Jets), etc.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Parcells in his later years built potential winners
But he didn’t have the drive anymore..Down here in Florida He’s taking a beating..It’s a shame he just didn’t retire for good..In Dallas and Miami he produced great recipes, but didn’t have all the ingredients..and he’s a great guy..He’s the only head coach I ever talked to..1985 training camp..He just got done balling out the defensive players for screwing around…When he walked off the field I meekly said “Hey coach”..He came over and talked to me for 20 minutes..Seriously..Great guy…He may have just needed a break from the players screwing up but it was nice talking to him..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
He lives down here..I am trying to get his E-mail..
I’d like to remind him of that day and maybe play a round of Golf with him..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Nothing at all like Indy...
Brady is an all time great QB but part of his success is being a product of that system. Peyton is an all time great QB the difference is that is he is that system. Apparently Peyton even plays defense lol look how bad the defense has been without Peyton.
They were playing the NFC West and AFC West
the year the best team between the 8 of them went 9-7, two went 8-8, and everyone else was below .500
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
If Bill is under fire then you might as well fire every other coach
Does he make some questioable moves?? sure but who has done better than him in the past decade? , even when his start QB went down, he led them to 11 wins…… maybe the people in Indy should take note.
His style is his style, he makes it work………still gonna get that ass beat by Eli and the G men though, but Bill is fine by me.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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firing every coach
every fan base has some of those.
cough.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
well they got a 1st for him
….not quite sure they were trying to get rid of him. It’s just Oakland is retarded.
And he is earning that in Oakland
just NE drafted some butt munch with that pick and probably isn’t on the team anymore
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
No.
He is a RT Nate Solder and he has been starting since week 1 since RT Vollmer went down.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Solder is a butt munch
so glad he got picked before the Giants since for some odd reason Reese was gonna pick him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Played extremely well. Needs to build up strength and bulk up. I’ll be glad when Matt “todd” Light leaves.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
like everyone on that offense he fits very well
the Pats dink and dunk a lot so it makes sense to have tall athletic tackles that take a long time for the defense to move around as well as be tall enough to smack down defenders arms when Brady’s dinking over the middle.
he is a terrible run blocker which makes sense given his size, which is mainly why I didn’t want him here.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You guys can't run the ball anyway. You're ranked at 30th in the league.
Our run game is ranked 18th. We are all right. Solder is pretty damn good.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Your pass defense could use Prince Amukamara right about now
seeing how you guys are last in pass defense. Still cannot believe BB didnt draft that guy. I am no expert but Solder was one of my least favorite OL prospects in the draft.
Thank you for everything Jorgie!
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 2, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
But
protecting Brady >>>>>>> pass D. At worst, the Defense has now became the Indy Colts.
The team needed a LT. Light is 34 and sucking.
Solder, who many thought was a LT only, has played really well as a RT. 2nd behind Brian Waters, in terms of sacks and pressures and hits given up.
Also, the lack of any pressure from the Dline is contributing to the that horrible pass defense.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You sir, know your $hit.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
I like Prince and we should see him on the field this Sunday, but honestly just like you guys
all i know about his playing ability is what i saw in college. Hardly an adequate base.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
They would/might have taken Prince but they figured they would/might get a similar CB in Dowling. Both are physical press cover CB’s.
There were rumors that the Giants and the Colts wanted Solder. I’m happy that they took him w. the 17th pick.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I had reported earlier that Prince..
Was performing a benifit concert in Bumfuck, Egypt..Maybe they cancelled the concert..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I've been saying for years that he's drafted terribly in NE despite all those picks
It is amazing how his offensive system can not miss a beat when you move from Brady and Welker to Cassel and Edelman tho, especially for a guy who is supposedly such a defensive genius.
Maybe he is worn out too thin. Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel have proven plenty of times elsewhere that they’re great coordinators and when those two were there the team was at its best. Even Josh McDaniels was a great OC and it showed.
It seems the same systems are in place, but there’s just something missing.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Maybe the internet
has contributed to people’s lack of patience. Hasn’t won a SB since ‘05? Off with his head.
He can’t handle the job. We’re only 5 and 2. He’s too old to juggle the demands.
Brady is the only reason he’s considered a good coach….and so on.
All coaches have this happen to them. Belichick knows this.
the Internet hasn't changed fans, but has influenced media
I don’t know how or why fans act as if they EXPECT to make the playoffs every year. It’s a hard thing to do and sustain. Let alone make regular SB appearances.
Wishing and hoping, versus expecting, should be clearly distinct in people’s minds, but they aren’t. Oh well!
I mean, with the number of years the Pats have played at a highly superior level, playoffs annually, do people really think that would stay true forever?
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
His defense surprises me most..
But you know what?..They have some fucking nerve questioning one of the most successful coaches in NFL history..That just plain sucks..After we beat them Sunday, I hope he goes on a winning streak..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Doesnt Matter Who Coach Is
If personnel cant execute, your record will reflect it. Bellichik stuck with mediocre defense. Pitt took full advantage by controlling the clock while 1st downing them down the field. We can do the same thing Sunday and just a hunch our running game will look better. We just have to make sure we dont turn it over and commit dumb penalties.
Marfar
Pioli was a part of the success
The premise is correct. It’s just too much for one man, even if he is the guy I think is in the discussion for “best coach ever.”
The Peter Principle holds true. They need a good GM and personnel director, so that BB can just do waht he does best, coach.
And you’d think by now the guy would have found someone he trusted to learn his system and be a real, not figurehead, DC. There’s a reason for the organizational chart.
BB is the big reason why a bunch of middling NFL players are atop the power rankings, but the org. would be ebtter served by spreading some of that responsibility, especially in GM / drafting.
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I guess when
You stop video taping everyone its a little harder to win Super Bowls.
c'mon man
you talkin ’bout PRESEASON?
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 2, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
And I here I thought we were going to make it through the entire thread without one single ignorant Spygate post!
You’re right, if only they still had those video tapes during the 2007 season, David Tyree would’ve been completely unable to make that catch.
Idiot.
Can I Scream?
What a Joke
“best coach ever’
now, he sucks.
What franchise has been better in his tenure there? I guess that doesn’t mean anything – he should have to meet a higher standard.
I don’t know why this type of blabber even gets any play. Maybe they should fire him and hire Schiano – fix two huge problems at once……
this is retarded
ur gonna question one of the most successful coaches in NFL HIstory? yes, his defense has been lacking but before the season started, he decided against implementing the 3-4 portion of the defense due to the time constraint. He went with the 4-3 b/c it overlapped with the nickel package. So he’s 5-2 working with half a playbook & now he’s on the hot seat? SMH
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
The question is being asked by many talking heads
but I agree with you…BB isn’t on any hot seat
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
How bad must the Pats front office
HATE that Harrison and Bruschi get so much airtime on ESPN. Not that they are bad analysts or anything, but its clear that whenever anything to do with the Patriots come up, they are about ready to jump out of their skin.
Like Cowher and the Steelers? He never picks against them. Same goes for Ditka and Da Bears
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
But i have seen Bruschi pick against the Pats numerous times.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
You are right but I think he was talking about how Bruschi and Harrison slam the Pats
Like when Bruschi jumped all over Ochocinco when he was praising Brady. They tend to criticize everything because it’s not them out there.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Got ya. Yeah, i notice that also. Sometimes it comes across as, "You silly kids, back in our day..........."
While i agree with the slamming when warranted, it does get old. Even when we win.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
yep thats what I meant
They are just clearly still passionate about the Pats… and it seems to often come out in a negative way. Like they are going to suddenly yell “YOU SUCK, GET ME A HELMET LET ME SHOW YOU”.
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Rodney Harrison was asked...
“Could the Giants do the same thing to the Patriots as the Steelers had done to them?” and Rodney gave a sharp and definitive “NO”…….I think that Rod is still pissed about this…
Quinn must go !!
Yeah well it is like I said..He doesn't deserve
to be criticised..What a bunch of morons..I hope he quits and takes over for TC when he retires..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I hope he doesn’t quit. But yeah, I would bet money that if he quit, he would def join the Giants Org. He has massive respect and love for them. Saw it on that documentary.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a great documentary..
It really showed us the real Bill B…what a great fun-loving guy…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hey guys, the thing about Pats fans, and arguably only Steeler fans can fully agree on, is the amount of
expectation that each fan base has each and every year. We lost to the 5-2 Bills (who will stumble eventually, as long as it’s not against them damn Jets ), and the top team in the conference who is 6-2. If 5-2 is means to jump out of skin and act like fools, then my goodness. I can only imagine if we were the Saints right now at 4-3. Talk about a roller coaster team. The teams we lost to have a combined 4 loss record and a combined 11 wins. Not bad at all. The only thing i as a Pats fan hate about this team, is the secondary. The anticipation at the start of the season was to have one of the premier trio of CB’s with McCourty, Bodden and Dowling. So much for the last two, though Dowling showed great promise against Marshall and Floyd. He is an injury prone player though :-(. I expect us to have one of th etop two records in the AFC and compete. But that defense may eventually be the down fall.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
glad you stopped by
I like it when we can just talk football with fans of opposing teams, without the trash and junior high posturing (cough, Jets fans, Eagles fans, cough).
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
lmao, thanks.
BTW how do you see the final records of the Giants and each of your fellow NFC West when all is said and done?
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
East^ sorry
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
speaking only for myself, I stay away from predictions
especially this year in the NFC East. All the teams have flaws and, with maybe the exception of the Redskins, each is good enough to get hot for an extended period and take off.
I could go through a review of each team, but that’s maybe the subject for a separate fanpost.
Suffice it to say that when I talk to guys in my office who are fans of the other teams (and at work we have them all), while the Giants are currently in the driver’s seat, there’s too much football to play to have any confidence about who will come out on top.
We do all agree that the talking heads at ESPN and NFL Network are once again drunk on the Eagle hype and doing their typical job of giving too little respect to the Giants. The football media in this division pretty much splits between those who like Dallas and who find reasons to predict Dallas as the best, and those who like Philly who find reasons to predict Philly as the best. But the football media is no less fanboy driven than the blogs, they just cover it up better.
So, I would predict, tentatively, that the Giants at least beat out one of those darlings pretty handily, and would have said the same when everyone record was 0-0.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
took the words right out of my mouth
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
no wonder I taste Jim Beam
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
You're right AJ
there’s too much football to play to have any confidence about who will come out on top.
The Giants have a two game lead but I won’t feel comfortable unless we have the same two game lead and it’s half time of week 17.
Quinn must go !!
I'll be comfortable
with a 2 game lead heading into week 17
Even more comfortable going into week 21
I don't think there is a single Giants fan,
living a the real world, who thinks this game will be anything but tough. Do I think we can win it? Definitely. Will I be shocked if we come up short, against a Pats team coming off a loss? No.
Giants gameplan this week
Let Eli throw the ball all over this secondary. Let’s see what ole boy Ramses can do. Kevin get creative let’s throw some four WR sets out there and create mismatches for the defense. Certainly it should be the gameplan, because we haven’t run the ball for crap this season. Don’t try and start now with a team that struggles mightily with the pass. More 1st down screen passes to the RB or TE.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
unrelated note: Steve Smith's disappearing snaps in Philly
Please respond to this post with apologies, all you who crucified Reese for Smith not signing with the Giants.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
I didn't even know he was back on the field.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
neither did he
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
by nywins42 on Nov 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Nov 2, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeap
I think he has been active every week. Week 3 was great cause Vick threw him a first down pass which he hit strait up in the air and was INTed by Ross (very similar to the INT in SB42 that Hobbs got on a Smith play, sorry to bring up that game to you)
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn you!
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
lol
sorry, I had to. No harm meant
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
let the record reflect I mentioned the same play. . .
without bringing up the similarity to SB 42.
But I admit I thought about it!
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Well njgiant already went there with a pic of "the play" anyway. Oh well.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
true
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not sorry!
You’ve been waiting for this week for 3 years so you could bring that up. Now that I think about I think you may have forced SS to go to the Eagles just to set this comment up.
You, sir, are the true ‘master of puppets’ and I tip my hat to you.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he deflected a nice pass upward for us to intercept when we played them
so that was rather kind of him.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
yes it was.
And the Birds made Smith available at the trade deadline. Wow.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
HOW DARE YOU..
who do you think you are to ridicule the greatest WR in Giants history?? This guy was the reason Eli Manning was so good and it’s pretty clear to see how awful Eli is without him!! Show some frigging respect to a surefire 1st ballot Hall of Famer!!
;-)
Nobody coming off major knee surgery
does well their first year back. Never.
It takes at leaste 2 years to get back to full strength if they do come back.
hah. . . and now Ed posted this story up front. . .
Ed, can I get a royalty?
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
I was hoping the G-men would get Rutger's McCourty
and he looked good last year. What the heck happened with him?
no DB's good when the QB has all day to throw
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
This^
And quite honestly he is playing a different role this season due to the change in 4-3. He doesn’t have the previous S over the top to assist. We did have that against Wallace for obvious reasons. He is having a serious sophomore slump. I along with every other Pats fan, expected him to once again be a pro bowler and all pro, but that looks like a pipe dream now. Not ready to slam the book at him just yet. But it is concerning.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Even Mario out of practice....
excited for Barden but…we need our stars in the game..
and I am tired of Practice Squad transactions with Perriloux
Is NE becoming the new Redskins???
Bringing on old vets…hopefully not spending that much money on them.
I hope a lifeguard was on duty
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The best dive I have seen from a plastic chair Ever!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
He forgot his fucking tanks..idiot..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Do you guys run a 4-3 or a 4-3 under defense?
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
4-2-5
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Nov 2, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
we play the 4-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
we should just play the
BOMAR…… Rhett and 10 pee-wee kids
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Hoyer or Ryan Mallett will have them at 11-5 every year easily
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Which would still have NE fans screaming Armageddon. Expectations for this team is higher than damn near any other
team.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
I really do not get that feeling here living in NE
The people I know have hated the way BB has gone about the last couple of drafts.
Thank you for everything Jorgie!
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 2, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand why. We went into the latest draft excited to have 3 of the first 33 picks.
We spent our first pick(17) on a offensive tackle, which isn’t an exciting position. Our next pick(28 overall) was traded down for a 2nd rounder and the Saints’ 1st rouder in next year’s draft. The 3rd pick(33) was spent on CB Ras-i-Dowling who’s looked great in limited action, but looks just as injury-prone as he was advertised.
We traded down with the Raiders on the next 2nd round pick and used the other 2nd rounded on a RB(Shane Vereen) that’s yet to get his chance to dazzle anyone. In the 3rd round we got RB Stevan Ridley who’s only gotten limited action and then of course QB Ryan Mallett.
Lots of fans were hoping for some crazy shit.
It is what it is
Yes, but honestly trying to figure what BB will do in a draft is like trying to figure out how many snacks
Rex Ryan could scarf down his fat throat. Very hard! And btw prottecting Brady > Pass rush.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
I think we got the personnel for some pass rush.
Wilfork and Haynesworth in the middle, alternating with Kyle Love, followed by Andre Carter and Mark Anderson off the edge.
It is what it is
These guys disagree!
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
No doubt about it
He could get some good picks for those guys.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I think Belichek could make the playoffs
with a group of cub scouts
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
Maybe leading the list of greatest Giant's coaches
Along with Lombardi, Landry, and Tuna
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Nov 2, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Some fire, yes.
I’m not hearing calls for his head. If anything, the worst I’m hearing is “hire a DC!” Fact is, it shouldn’t be surprising that our secondary is lacking. They are all fairly young players, and the assistant coach Mike Patricia was not only never a DB, he only recently became a DB coach. The feeling is it’s not the talent we need, it’s the coaching of technique.
We’ll see what happens. Unrelated to the secondary, but I see the Giants center did not participate at practice along with Nicks/Manningham. For the first time in like forever of this year, Albert Haynesworth was not limited in practice or listed with a back injury; meaning we might finally see hm play more than a fifth-to-a-third of snaps.
It is what it is
it's laughable
part of his reputation has been built because he keeps trading down and accumulating draft picks. The cream of the draft crop is in the 1st two rounds. Trading down leaves you with questionable talent.
True, but
we got two 1st round and two 2nd round draft picks next year.
It is what it is
he'll probably TRADE down
so ESPN can gush at the genious.
Might he trade down on a late-1st rounder for
a 1st rounder next year and a 2nd rounder this year? Yeah.
It is what it is
Only makes sense if you are getting good players
An extra pick that translates into a mediocre or below avg player doesn’t improve your team. That’s been the problem. Way too many early round guys that a journeyman.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Well, see,
For the last year, he has had 2 1st rounders. He flipped one for a 2012 1st and a 2011 2nd rounder to the Saints. Next year, I definitely see him flipping one of the two 1st rounds. He can keep on doing that for a while. End result, he gets a free 2nd round pick every year.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this year, he wanted Aldon Smith. I’m pretty sure, though I could be wrong, he also wanted JPP. Would have been nice.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
But then he'd have to trade
I’m sure there are 32 GMs that would like Luck, especially at pick 25
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Updating a previous item, Wes Welker missed Wednesday's practice due to a neck injury.
oh please, oh please, oh please!
You down wit JPP?
So did Nicks, Manningham, Osi, Bradshaw, and Baas.
Just sayin’
It is what it is
is Welker expected to play?
all of those Giants that missed are expected to play.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Why is Osi expected to miss the game?
I swear I saw him play vs the Fins.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Rorsch said those Giants listed as did not practice
won’t play.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't count on that..
I love Rorsch..but he doesn’t produce the weekly line-up..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Neither doe Tom Quinn thank God
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I said they're all expected to play
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'm kidding at you Horseradish..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
From that Polomalu tackle I bet.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not be harsh on our neighbors..
I live in South Florida now, but you guys never know when you have to borrow a cup of sugar or something…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Damn..C'mon in for coffee baby!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
See?..That's what can happen when you run out of Sugar!!..
I just threw all mine out..I’m on the phone now..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
she will have to come into the house since she is carrying sugar in her hands.
You will have to have her sit on your sofa bed while you get the cup and some wine with two glasses
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
Ah..God I love it so!!!..lol
My wife will kill me..So I have to weigh the option..Damn I’m in a Shakeperian dilemna here.."To be and get laid?..or Not to be ever laid again?…hmmmm..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
For the old timers,
How good was Pepper Johnson as a 34 SILB?
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Awesome..I wish the the Giants hired him as the DC..
Fewell has been nicknamed ‘Radio’..He an AM station that only provide traffic updates..No music
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I wish BB would give Pepper the job already. Right now it’s BB as the D coord with Pepper and Matt Patrica as the next in line. Now, since Matt P is in charge of the DB’s….I rather go with Pepper. Plus I like Pepper a lot.
Never saw them at Ohio State but Pepper and Chris Spielman were a badass 34 ILB combos when they played together for 2 years.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Only provide traffic updates.... lol
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Do you think Corey Webster can Ccover Wes one-on-one???
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Well he's about 6'1' I think..
I’m just worried about speed..Wes Welker is one of my favorite receivers..That guy is faster than a cockroach when the lights go on..I’m not sure that Corey can handle that..Wes has what I call ‘sneaky fast speed’..and at what 5’9"..?..He plays against big ang tall DBs…and whoops the crap out of them..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Wes can easily beat taller CB's
I remember the 08 game vs the Raiders where he abused Aso. He is quick and short. And Tall CB’s don’t do well with short and quick WR’s.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wes Welker can beat anybody..I've seen it..
When Ed Valentine does his Q&A bit with the Son of a Preacher Man..that runs the pulpit (kidding..but it sounds nice)…He always asks who would you want on your team..and visa versa my pick is Welker..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'll take Gronkowski
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Jerod Mayo?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Good one too, but if we are talking LB, I like Spikes as well.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
The Sundial?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Spikes is a 2 down player only
He lacks the speed to be a pass covering LB.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
we know all about Sun Dial Spikes
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'm not sure BB..I hope so..He may need help this week..Their TEs also are a concern..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I would of had A LOT more faith in Tryon.
Williams on Hernandez & Boley on Gronk
Welker is gonna run a muck
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
That is my fear, troy..I don't see Corey being able to handle that guy one-on-one..
Brady will pick us apart..It all boils down to who can use up the clock..That will determine the outcome..and don’t think they don’t know it..NE wants to keep Eli off the field and we want to keep Brady off the field..I think that’s the bottomline..IMO
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
What happened to Aaron Ross?
Is he starting or the 3rd CB?
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No he's starting but, who's going to cover the TEs?
I don’t know..our LBs are learning..Ross is quick but I’m not sure they can afford him to double up with Webster..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I think Mathis would be bumping/jamming Gronk. As for Aaron..I don’t know. Maybe Rolle?
I’ve always liked Mathis. Wished the Giants didn’t sign him to a long term contract. He would be the perfect BB type 34OLB. Basically a better pass rushing version of Mike Vrabel.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Mathis?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Think he means Kiwi
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
damn!! I thought we signed Rashean Mathis
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Opps
Meant Kiwi. I screw up his first name all the time.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 3, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
props to ur avatar
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
God I hate that... when they run a muck.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Running wild is OK
But a muck is a total no go
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
totally agree.
A muck is a no go.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
LMAO
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
By the way..LOL!! my 'old-timer-hood' goes back way before pepper...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Lol.
I don’t expect “old timers” to type the word " LOL"
:P
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 2, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well..as I hang my head low..You can teach old dogs new tricks..okay I said it..
Yeah I know the LOL thing..a couple of others but I forget what they are…Time to wash that admission down with a Bud
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Oh I forgot..LOL!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Very solid
Replaced HOFamer Harry Carson and did a very good job. Was thier best LB in 1990 SB season. Great runstuffer but excellent in pass coerage and blitzing as well. All round solid player. Played with emotion too kinda nuts out there.
And at 6' 3' 250ish he was a big ass LB in his day.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
I'm not liking all the criticism going BB's way before this game
As well as the loss last week….
You know he will be super focused and won’t leave anything to chance. Their team is going to be playing flat out.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 2, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Well folks..I apologize for all my typos tonight..
I’m waiting for Ted Hendricks to call me..I played Golf with him in N.C. at a Larry Little benefit tournament in 1991..Now he calls half in the bag every couple of days..So I schedule it such that I get half in the bag in order to be able to communicate…This guy is a nut..30 minutes on the dime..the phone will ring..Hey bro!!..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ever since 1991-09..
Hey bro!!..When we going golfing?..C’mon out..Geezus….
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Does the Stork still have that mask?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
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