Some thoughts on the Eagles game

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2011 3:04 PM EST

1. The Eagles will be a better team without Vick at the Helm.

The Eagles showed that Vince is #2 on their depth chart against the Cardinals. His presence means the Eagles will go with a run-heavy attack on Sunday, which is exactly what their players and fans have been clamoring for all season. Young is not exactly a stick in the mud when it comes to mobility either, so it's not like the Giants can just abandon their QB spy for the day. Despite what anybody says, Vince has played at at NFL starter quality level before, and there's no reason to think he can't on Sunday.

2. We really need Michael Boley out there. More than Nicks, or Bradshaw, or Prince. After the loss of Goff to IR, Boley became our playcalling veteran leadership out there. Sure, Kiwanuka is a beast, but he's not calling plays and doesn't have as much experience. His job is mostly just to destroy. If we lose Boley, our Defense will have the equivalent of a 3rd-string DQB running it ... and that's very bad for LOS adjustments.

3. The Giants need to continue committing to the run. They proved they would against SF, and I really want to see it here. I think Philly can be abused up the gut & at the LOS. Gotta do it. Lookin' at you, B-Jake. This is NOT a game in which we want Eli to throw 40+ times. The Eggs have potential for a pick 6 at any moment, and we don't need any momentum swings in this one.

4. Don't write off the Eagles. Never mind Any Given Sunday. Never mind the divisional factor. They've got 53 talented guys who will be boiling with desire out there to shit on our season. There is nothing like playing spoiler for your hated rival. It's a powerful motivator and it will be at work. Here's the other thing: When you make a team that's playing poorly believe in itself, its contagious. It catches like wildfire and soon the team is consumed: WE can DO THIS! The Giants need to get out there and win the first quarter, and then the second. (Then the 3rd). (Then the 4th). I am not interested in a close game.

5. Win the mistakes battle. The Eggles have been finding ways to throw away games all season long. Let's face facts: With a handful of bad calls, poor choices, dropped balls, etc. -- oh and if we traded QBs (Vick chokes) -- the Eagles and Giants might be in reverse position. Point being, if the Eagles do NOT shoot themselves in the foot, we gotta go win this game. We have got to win the turnover battle, the penalty battle, and the good decisions. Andy Reid knows how to beat the Giants. We've gotta know how to beat the Eagles, who have been the best team in the NFL so far at beating the Eagles.

6. We'd better win. Here's some exacting scientific research I did over the course of several years:

BGN member visits to BBV between April and September 25: 400 gazillion.

BGN members to visit since it became obvious their team sucked: 3

BGN members who will flood BBV Monday if the Eagles win: 500 gazillion.

What do I think the Giants need to do to keep bleeding green envy outta here until next year?

Run that rock, capitalize on turnovers, contain McCoy, red zone efficiency, and of course,

Step up and make big plays.

Poll

The unit who can best boost our chances with a strong showing Sunday is

Boley & teh LBZ

26 votes

Eli & our WRs

23 votes

Teh RBz?

8 votes

D-line

22 votes

O-line

16 votes

Secondary

2 votes

97 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted D-Line

Is it Kiwanuka who owes Vince Young a serious, drive-into-the-turf sack for that BS, in-the-grasp non-call years back?

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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions

I immediately thought of that game.

we had that one too. bs no call.

New York Giants 2011.

by redwhitblue88 on Nov 16, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

I'll vote Eli or really any of our offense or STs

don’t turn it over, we win. Everything else will sort itself out.

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by Rorschach44 on Nov 16, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions

Agree on Vince Young

If he plays, VY should be highly motivated – if by nothing else but money – to make a statement about himself to the league – isn’t he on a 1-year deal? I agree that at this point in the season – if he has learned the offense and can actually play near his old level – he might be more dangerous to us than Vick. He’s big, strong, and less brittle – and we’re not used to him.

Man this is a big game. 7-3 vs. 6-4 feels like a huge difference, doesn’t it?

by Pink Flamingo on Nov 16, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions

These are the kind of games that scare that crap out of me

The Eagles, to me, are a very close second to the Red Sox. I will always be worried when playing this team, and with the position in which both teams are right now, it’s that much worse. I’m plenty happy to see their failures, but all it takes is a few plays or for those talented guys to step it up. I think I’m more worried with Vince Young in there. A win here could give the Giants that push to the playoffs, granted that they still have plenty of other games to win of course, but it would be a monkey off their backs and keep them in a pretty good position. As well, I don’t seek comfort until the Eggles are 100% statistically, no doubt about it, eliminated from playoff contention.

I’m glad you wrote this piece up because it sums up all my worries and hopes and points out plenty of other valid points. With Rutgers potentially playing for a chance at winning the Big East, this weekend could either lead to an exuberant week or a very, very, loooong week. Let’s hope for the former, especially so I can watch ESPN and NFL Network non-stop all week.

by RUroseyNY on Nov 16, 2011 4:48 PM EST reply actions

Carr > VY

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by BB1156 on Nov 16, 2011 6:27 PM EST reply actions

good stuff

A Giants fan only needs to remember how the “pitiful” Cowboys beat us late last season. This isn’t gonna be a cakewalk. Last year’s loss to the Cowboy actual helped the Eagles and the Eagles could return the favor by winning on Sunday.

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MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Nov 16, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions

The Giants need to get out there and win the first quarter, and then the second. (Then the 3rd). (Then the 4th). I am not interested in a close game.

lol I have some bad news for you.

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by sejo28 on Nov 16, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions

I love this quote

This is exactly how I feel and what I’ve been saying for the last few weeks. These close games are killing me, why can’t we just WIN a game!? Is it too much to ask…probably.

Go Giants! Go Red Sox! Don't judge me I was born this way.

by AFanDivided on Nov 17, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions

Perry Fewell

I voted D-Line, but this is the guy who needs to show up on Sunday. No slipping into a prevent defense on third and long in the first half (cost us three points in SF). Better yet, no slipping into a prevent defense whatsoever. I want to see us rushing four guys on every play. Thank you.

by Max Schwager on Nov 17, 2011 7:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

We should never rush 3

Never! It never works, rush 4 or more all the time.

But you’re right, the defense needs to set the pace by not letting the Eagles get into a rhythm.

Go Giants! Go Red Sox! Don't judge me I was born this way.

by AFanDivided on Nov 17, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions

You need to mix it up

But the lack of aggressive D out of the gate, is certainly something teams seem prepped for. The earlier you hit a QB, and the ability to keep pressuring him changes their approach to the game. They become far less dangerous.

The time to use 3 is after you’ve hit him a bunch, then they’ve become twitchy and might throw you some easy picks.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Nov 18, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions

I think this will end up in a shootout at the OK corral.

by Giantstep on Nov 17, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions

If Young is out there

That’s probably in our favor.

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 17, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions

Good Post

I would love a blow out in our favor (just making it clear for the football gods). I would also love to see JPP get the start over Osi. JPP had a great game against Jason Peters last time. Not so sure I have the same confidence in the Osi/Peters match up.

I dont think the Eagles are your “typical” 3-6 team as Simms said. They do have a lot of talent and they are a division rival.

by Giants56 on Nov 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST reply actions

Voted DL

VY isn’t the guy he was, took a lot of hits, but he still has skills, iif they can establish the run, their offense is dangerous. Thing is they seem to still run off the pass (I don’t see enough of them to know for certain), and the passing game can generate big plays.

Control the LOS, get to the QB early, and things usually work out.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Nov 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions

O line

long, slow, 10-12 play scoring drives all day long. Pound the rock. Tire out that D. Keep the eggs O off the field.

by Plaxico Burress on Nov 17, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions

Me too.

I love me some Oline. That is where games are won more times than not. Who’s got the more dominant Oline.

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NYG 23 PHI 21

by tommy d. on Nov 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions

If it boils down to the OL

We r in trouble

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Nov 18, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions

I was impressed by their performance

in SF. Despite the PFF grades, I saw a unit that played well as a unit.

They need to be a unit that is better than the sum of it’s parts. And I think they are coming around to be just that.

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NYG 23 PHI 21

by tommy d. on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

We have too many plays where they just bust

To many short yardage plays blow up

They aren’t bad, but they need to up the ante

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Nov 18, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions

You're right

The last thing we want is to give the Eagles confidence. For the good of the NFC East, for the good of the league, the Giants need to win this game.

Go Giants! Go Red Sox! Don't judge me I was born this way.

by AFanDivided on Nov 17, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions

You know who can boost our chances of winning?

Perry Fewell is he doesn’t put the defense in prevent mode and if he blitzes 4 or more people.

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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Nov 17, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions

I've been saying this for years

Its not the DC it’s the coach. Our coach is terrified of yielding the big plays, so we hold off on bringing pressure and taking the risks. Tim Lewis, Bill Sheridan, and now Fewell all do/did the same things.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Nov 18, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions

It's true.

If the HC does not like the way HIS defensive coordinator is approaching things, he has the right, and the power, to make the DC adjust.

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NYG 23 PHI 21

by tommy d. on Nov 18, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions

We've seen it recently

I can’t remember the team, but in pre-season the coach was unhappy with the OC ignoring his desires, and he canned him.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Nov 18, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions

ignoring his desires?

Was it Penn?

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 19, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions

I said RBs

We all know how well Eli has been playing. We know how well the D-line has been playing. Boley is having a career year and the LBz are surprising a lot of people (in a good way, for a change…for the most part). If I could split my vote in half, I guess I would’ve said RBs/O-line, because these groups have been tough to watch all year.

Maybe if we put a Coors Light logo on BJake’s jersey, he’ll start running like the silver bullet train. We need him to return to the BJake of old and tire out the defense. We need Ware to play as well (or better) as he did last week, and I like that he hasn’t (recently) made any dumb reach-out-with-the-ball-while-I’m-being-tackled-by-4-guys mistakes. And I’m glad Da’Rel at least touched the ball last week.

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by jcalafiore on Nov 17, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions