Giants GM Jerry Reese Deserves 'Kudos' For Not Panicking
by Ed Valentine on Nov 15, 2011 2:10 PM EST
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PrintThe Philadelphia Eagles come to MetLife Stadium to face the New York Giants Sunday night (8:20 p.m. ET, NBC). That will give Giants fans a chance to spew some venom at former Giant and current Eagle wide receiver Steve Smith, who famously changed sides in the rivalry this preseason.
This also gives us a chance to talk about many of the decisions that general manager Jerry Reese either made or had forced him upon him that have affected this team.
Before we do that, though, I have to toss this out there. Will Smith react better than New York Jets coach Rex Ryan did when someone in the MetLife crowd inevitably screams "Hey Steve, Victor Cruz is better than you."
While you ponder that, let's get back to my reason for posting this -- which is to talk about Reese and some of the moves that have shaped this roster.
Let's be realistic here. Reese deserves a ton of credit for sticking to his plan, for believing in the young, often unproven talent he has collected over the past couple of seasons. The GM has again proven that he has a keen eye for young talent. He has also, however, been fortunate. Some of these decisions were forced upon Reese, they weren't planned for, and in a couple of cases the Giants and Reese have just been plain lucky.
Let's compare stats for three sets of players:
Wide Receiver
Steve Smith -- 10 catches, 110 yards
Victor Cruz -- 40 catches, 672 yards, four touchdowns
Tight End
Kevin Boss, Oakland -- 10 catches, 1 touchdown in six games
Jake Ballard -- 26 catches, 430 yards, three touchdowns
Defensive Tackle
Barry Cofield, Washington -- 16 tackles, two sacks, six passes defensed
Linval Joseph -- 21 tackles, two sacks, three passes defensed
Production-wise, the Giants have come out ahead on all three of these here. In reality, the only one Reese planned for was the loss of Cofield, drafting Joseph and the injured Marvin Austin in the second round the past two seasons. He has gotten lucky, though, in that the play of the veteran Rocky Bernard has also helped.
The losses of Smith and Boss were stunners that the Giants were not expecting. Reese had a stable of wide receivers at the ready, and Cruz is the one who has stepped up. Let's give offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride some credit for that. It is Gilbride who has championed Cruz since the preseason and who continued to give him opportunities even when Reese and the Giants tried to replace him.
The Giants have been proven right in their belief that Smith simply would not be ready to be a productive player during the first part of the season. He still might be, but the Giants were still right.
In replacing Boss, you have to admit the Giants have simply been lucky. Reese and the Giants thought it would be Travis Beckum being the kind of weapon in the passing game Ballard has become. Beckum has been a bust with one catch, but Ballard has come out of nowhere to be a better player than anyone dared think.
Reese chose not to supplement the Giants young linebackers with a veteran like Kawika Mitchell or Chase Blackburn. That decision is still debatable, might have bitten the Giants against the 49ers and could be a problem again this week if Michael Boley, as expected, does not play.
Overall, Reese has to be lauded for again showing that -- while he isn't perfect -- his talent evaluation skills have left the Giants able to withstand injury and free-agent defections that could have crippled their season, and would have done just that to many teams around the NFL.
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Don't forget Dodge!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:13 PM EST reply actions
Absolutely.
If Sav Freaking Rocca and Andy Lee weren’t playing at the level they are…..Steve Weatherford would be in the conversation for the pro bowl
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Reese has done a great job but
I implore him to go Linebacker early next year if at all possible and same goes for the Oline.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Doubt LB....Kiwi and Boley are both under contract.
Dre Kirkpatrick, Janoris Jenkins, Alfonzo Dennard, Morris Claiborne, Chase Minniefield, Stephon Gilmore, and Jayron Hosely are all 1st round caliber CBs. Especially Dennard, Kirkpatrick, Claiborne and Jenkins.
Add to that we have Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas as Free Agents and I think I know where Reese will go in the first….
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
He will probably go with the best talent available
"I don't worry about our schedule, I think our schedule needs to worry about us."-Antrel Rolle
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 15, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming our pick is above 20....
Kirkpatrick is a top 10 talent.
Claiborne and Dennard are top 15.
Jenkins is top 20.
Chances are….one of them will be the BPA.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well I would love one of them to be added to the Giants roster
but you can never predict the draft. All I know is that we will not be drafting a LB in the first 2 rounds.
"I don't worry about our schedule, I think our schedule needs to worry about us."-Antrel Rolle
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 15, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
unless its the BPA
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 15, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Kuechly and Brown will probably be gone before the 32nd pick
and I think Te’o and Burfict are overrated tbh.
"I don't worry about our schedule, I think our schedule needs to worry about us."-Antrel Rolle
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 15, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Big ND fan.
Hard to judge Te’o…I haven’t been overly impressed. The CB Blanton looks pretty good.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 15, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Blanton and our young defensive line look very promising. Everett Golson may be the future QB for Notre Dame. I sure know that Crist and Reese are not the answer.
"I don't worry about our schedule, I think our schedule needs to worry about us."-Antrel Rolle
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 15, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Thought Reese has been admirable.
Crist is a stiff. The kids on the d-line have some potential too.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 15, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
lol i see what you did there
"We will be perfect in every aspect of the game. You drop a pass, you run a mile. You miss a blocking assignment, you run a mile. You fumble the football and I will break my foot off in your John Brown hind parts...and then you will run a mile. Perfection. Let's get to work."
Coach Boone
Remember The Titans [2000]
true, though all seem like likely Reese picks.
If we don’t bring back Goff, I could definitely see Reese picking Manti Te’o, Vontaze Burfict, or Luke Kuechly though.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I am huge Notre Dame fan
and Te’o is extremely slow and is not very athletic. He will probably specialize in stopping the run and we already drafted Greg Jones for that.
"I don't worry about our schedule, I think our schedule needs to worry about us."-Antrel Rolle
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 15, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I had the impression that Te'o was pretty solid, athletically.....
not super special, but not a dealbreaker….than again, I’ve only watched 2 Notre Dame games this season.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
He has good instincts and is a pretty good leader on defense
All you need to know about how Te’o performs against NFL caliber players can be seen in his game against USC. He was constantly run over by their fullbacks, tight ends, and running backs. He could barely cover anyone in that game either. This was not the only game that it was evident either. It was just the game where it stood out the most.
"I don't worry about our schedule, I think our schedule needs to worry about us."-Antrel Rolle
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 15, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
zach brown is really the only one worth it
He fits,the others don’t
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also they get Goff back, so that’ll make up for a lot
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are people still really trying to project our draft choices by position?
You won’t know what position it is, because JR drafts the BPA…
doesn't hurt
Plus brown is a freak of nature, a good pass rusher and versatile
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't be disappointed with Zach Brown at all.
Doubt he lasts considering the next best OLB is Travis Lewis tho.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Dwayne Allen will be the first pick ......b
At the end of the draft
by giantsbizzybody1 on Nov 15, 2011 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He wont be around by the time we pick our first pick at 32
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
I like the way you think
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Of course Will Smith will react better to the crowd
He is the fresh prince.
"I don't worry about our schedule, I think our schedule needs to worry about us."-Antrel Rolle
by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 15, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And A Legend to boot.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I read it that way too
Cue the guitar riff from “gettin jiggy” in my brain for the rest of the day
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
yes...I'm pissed at myself for bringing it up because I'm gonna be hearing it all day
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
JR deserves credit, No doubt about that.
it’s a shame that steve smith does not get the credit for bringing a super bowl championship to new york. All ny fans can see at this point in time is that he joined the Eagles. if he is heckled by a new york fan, that will just go to the lack of class at some new york ers have.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 15, 2011 2:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ehhh
I believe he gets his due credit, which is that he was a role player on a SB winning team and the following year he became a great player. He certaintly didn’t “bring” a championship to NY, he helped though.
If he allowed the Giants to counter offer and/or told them he was leaving, then I think he would be received differently. He would still get heckled for going to Philly, but if he had handled it better it wouldn’t be so bad.
SS does get credit where credit is due...he was a good player on some good teams
his most productive seasons came after the superbowl…and he is a Giant record holder for most catches in a season. Players will get heckled all across the NFL just like Emmit got some when he left and went to Arizona…from Dallas’ fans point of view he should have retired. NYers are NYers.
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
dont agree with you on that one
smith made a ni play or two during the superbowl, but he ruined his own NY legacy. Hes a traitor, plain and simple. Drafted by the Giants, played only with the giants, offered a long term deal by the Giants, ss turned it down and decided to play for the division rival eagles. and guaranteed he chose the eagles because of all the preseason hype they were getting. he wanted to be a part of the dream team, and i am happy its blowing up in his face.
if he was worried at all about NY giants fans, he would have either stayed with the giants, or went someone other then a division rival. Im not saying he shouldnt have done what he did, but to expect NY fans to give him any sympothy is rediculous. Hes a traitor.
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care about Steve Smith I root for the NY Giants not him.
He was a good possession receiver when he was here but I like Cruz Alot more.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
same here... love cruz
especially because i played against him in high school
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Did he own you?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
haha thew whole team did
i played for lowly little pompton lakes… graduated with 110 kids. He played for Paterson Catholic… a powerhouse football program when it was still a school
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
I don’t consider him any more of a traitor than Barry Cofield. The Giants did not want to pay either one and they both went to a team that would pay them. And I still have never seen anything about this deal that Smith was offered last year until after this whole thing started. I’ve searched this site and others and can find no trace of it mentioned before he signed with the Eagles, so I tend to believe it did not exist. It did not matter if he wanted to remain a Giant, the Giants only wanted him if he took a minimum contract.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 15, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
It also seems like that SS12 bought into the Dream team hype and thought he could get another ring from the non-ring getting Eagles.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
And he wanted to play with
an interception machine
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
eh not the same as cofeild
cofeild wanted to be back with the giants, the giants didnt want to pay him, so he left. SS was offered an extension and turned it down (heard about it last year before the season started, turned it down because he wanted to see what the maret offered) then signed with the eagles without giving the giants a chance to counter offer. He wanted to go to the eagles because that was the cool thing to do this offseason. SS is a traitor. Im willing to bet the eagles players look at him as a traitor too.
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
they may have both been the same outcome
But Smith handled it so much worse than Cofield. If you read Cofield’s comments after he signed with Washington, he said that the Giants gave him a much larger offer than he expected, and it was clear that they did want him back, but they just couldn’t pay what Washington was able to pay. He also said he really appreciated them doing that, even if it was probable that he was going to go somewhere else.
If you look at Smith’s situation, it is similar, in the fact that another divisional team offered a higher contract, which he took. But Smith went about it in the completely opposite way that Cofield went about it. Smith said that it was clear that the Giants did not want him back, made noise about how he was ready to go right away, and the Giants medical staff weren’t correct, etc.
It was the same outcome for both, but Cofield is still appreciated by NY fans for his great years of service, and for some reason we seem to accept his decision more than Smiths, who did exactly the same thing in taking a larger contract somewhere else.
The difference HAS to be in how they handled the situation.
Same for Boss, who went without any issues and was very appreciative and thanked Giants and fans.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
I have a hard time with the notion
that Reese makes his football decisions with his heart. Perhaps SS agent handled things differently than the others. My point is we can’t blame Reese for fans perception of a former player.
FIRE Perry Fewell
Two of the major problems we had were on LB and OL
We had WRs so that was not as bad as the other positions.
Problems we have now: OL not opening holes for the running game and not having LBs ro stop the run.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
I'm not saying Reese played it by the heart strings
I think you have Coefield where he knew he was going elsewhere, but gave an offer anyways just in case knowing the man would get mor money elsewhere and leave. I think you have the Boss situation where he probably felt he was going to be able to keep him, but had to at least be fair market to do so. Al Davis dropped far beyond that, so Boss left, understandable. Then I think you have the Smith situation where it seems Reese was fine dangling the guy and cheating out on him expecting nobody was going to pony up cash on the hurt player. Smith then played it by the heart strings feeling disrespected. Really, can you blame him?
All that being said, Reese has had shouting matches with more than one player, so I wouldn’t be shocked if Reese does play some emotion into the game.
As I said before Reese is doing the job how he was taught by Ernie Acorsi...
slow and steady wins the race. The Giants have historically made due through the draft. He has done a very decent job with players that have give great value to the organization!
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 15, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions
Damn straight
Take that Mike Vick!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Damn that Turtle is fast!!..Can he carry the ball?..We could cut Jacobs..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The Giants are lucky,
they never win games any other way. They get all the calls, and Eli is as lucky as a lephrecon.
Reese is lucky, cause, he’s a Giant. He never picks LB’s so, he sucks AND is lucky.
SB42 was a lucky win, too.
Where’s the cliff…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
I feel that you didn't stress
the luck factor enough
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
More "CAPS" next time, maybe?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
Its this way.....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lose to the Eagles, and I'm on my way. :-)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
just looked up that lemming footage
and apparently, Disney threw them off the cliff. No joke.
Sec. 148
El beezez
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, he don't pick dem neither
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
I read "lephrecon"
and thought “transformers with leprosy”. Maybe when they transform, their body parts fall off? Somebody get Michael Bay on the phone… it can’t possibly be worse than the last transformers movie…
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 15, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was like Comicon
but for lepers
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 15, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
So, how DO you spell, “imaginary little Irish green fokker?”
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
dunno haha the association it brought up just made me laugh
leprechan
leprekan
leperkhan
leprekhan
lepurrkan
One of those is probably… not it
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 15, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Be fair to Beckum
Its true he only has one catch… but it DID go for a full yard.
let me get that for you
Its true he only has one catch… but it DID go for a full yard less than what we needed.
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 15, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
He did fall down with style
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
and then,
as an afterthought, held the ball out over the first down marker in some pathetic spasm of “oh, did I do that?”
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 15, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
na SS would have just plopped to the ground so he wouldnt get hit
beckum just tripped over his own feet
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that was pathetic.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
Thats true
he also had that one thrown over his head where he turned around and did that crazy dancing bear impression before falling on his back.
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
so....Beckum pulled an SS11
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
comment above
na SS would have just plopped to the ground so he wouldnt get hit. beckum just tripped over his own feet
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
with style
Don’t forget the athletic way crashed to the earth.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
haha beckum or ss?
because the grace and poise both show while falling short of the first down marker untouched is quite magical
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to Scare You But
Beckum was in offense set more than Ramses Barden this past Sunday. Wish I knew the heck why.
DavebrownNOT
that does scare me
beckum has shown nothing. ramses has shown some nice ability. That is one personnel move i really dont understand one bit.
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Because
TC &KG think good chance Beckham will double his production for the season in 1 game.
DavebrownNOT
hahaha very possible
he’d need, what, two catches?
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is measured in yardage.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Come on!
Give the man some credit!
… it was 2 yards…
by Midnight Blue on Nov 15, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Smith
I know for me the reason why I was upset about not keeping Smith was less about production for this year and more about the future. I still think that Manningham is going to walk next year and Smith with a full year to recover would still be great to have. Still, I can’t argue with the results thus far.
Also
I would like to point out that if Reese was so convinced that Cruz was going to be a great NFL receiver he would have drafted him, not had him as an afterthought free agent pickup that basically got used in one preseason game last year.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 15, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Cruz was around for some time, and letting Smith go was more about
saving cap space from giving it to a player that most likely would not have contributed for over half the season. Nobody was giving a possession WR coming off microfracture surgery more than a 1 year deal. This was in anticipation more of Jernigan and Hixon coming back.
Cruz surprised everyone, and it worked out.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone said Reese was convinced Cruz would be this good
also its not unlike the Cattleprods with Miles Austin becoming their best WR. Some guys are just raw talents that become good. You don’t have to draft them to be convinced they’d a good player.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
no body in the NFL
had any inkling that Cruz was going to be great. thats why he went undrafted
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
That was kind of my point
I think we got just as lucky with Cruz as we did with Ballard, if not more so.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the fact is that we did eventually sign them
which shows insight that others did not have. Gottem cheap too!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Can't argue with the results at least
I am quite pleased they are on the team and have done so well. The cheapness is a nice bonus.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 15, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
o absolutely
were lucky the kid is from Paterson NJ and not Tenton NJ or he would be playing for the eggs
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Reese and the OL
His 1st move after the lockout ended was to release Ohara and Siebert but he didnt seem to have a plan how to replace them. He did have 8 months to figure it out. And our OL is the weak link of our team.
DavebrownNOT
He is working his plan on the Oline.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
He did not expect Deihl to complete fall apart.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well...he was hoping Koets was going to be OK as a backup for Baas.
Diehl was originally an all pro LG….any GM would have been OK with letting Diehl go back there. He also re-signed Kevin Boothe just in case.
He drafted James Brewer to take over for McKenzie in a year or 2. He has been grooming Will Beatty for 3 years for the LT spot and he’s been doing a good job.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I Dont Care
if they can walk. As long as they can block.
DavebrownNOT
Tell that to a RB
who needs the Tackle to take on a LB after dinking the Guard
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
reverse guard and tackle...Damn conf calls....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
both ohara and siebert
are sitting at home watching TV like the rest of us on sundays. Why pay those inflated cap dollars when they would ride the pine all year?
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
err... no
Diehl was supposed to be fine ad a guard, the spot he’s belonged for years and he signed Baas for big money. It hasn’t panned out yet, but the last OL took a few years to gel too
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 16, 2011 4:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's More Important?
This life-and-death site or multi-million dollar conf calls?
DavebrownNOT
I bleed blue
my man, I bleed blue…
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
It is more mental than physical...
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
THE GGGGGGMMMMEEENNNNNNN
no seriously, get on that call
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
In Truth
We share similar blood color. I sometimes ask myself why I need all this aggravation. I cant come up with decent answer but I love this team, no matter who wears the uniform and I’ve been there since I leaned on every word of Marty Glickman and Al DeRogatis.
DavebrownNOT
Yup, I was 6
and watched a game with the family and saw Brad Van Pelt and Mendenhall (first name escapes me) play and I was hocked.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Just so.
He was one mean dude
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by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Remember Troy Archer, 77?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
yes sir, he did
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
Dan Graziano:
BAH! All Reese did was stick to his guns and have faith in the team he built and his coaches… that doesn’t need any special skill. Reese is average at best, and horrible when it comes to making big exciting splashy moves that ensure title runs!
…and now back to reality.
Nice Raptor, and if I may use your post to add to our mutual feelings
HAHA! All Dan Graziano did was stick to his guns and trash the Giants and their system. He doesn’t need any special skills to hate on the Giants. Afterall he is a fiction writer. DG is below average at best, and perfect when it comes to making big exciting splashy stories about the teams that are not going to have title runs!
…and now back to reality : BBV
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Nicely done
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
what?
faith in the team he built, that doesn’t need any special skill. If JR built the team, doesn’t that mean he has a skill in drafting/picking players? Once again the logic fails DG.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Please, if you haven't already, go to Amazon (the website) and read the descriptions of Dan G's books.
From what I see he writes for teenage girls. It is odd…
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
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I went to see that myself
His plot and creativity was good. I give him that. The audience is people who like drama.
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Indeed this one is odd.
“How to break up with your Tight End in 7 days or less”
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
"I Think She's Trying to Tell Me Something"
What?
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
That he is an idiot....
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by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
I’d like to know what, too.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
maybe its just a cleaner way of saying...
That’s what she said
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I Think She's Trying To Tell Me Something
Just reading reviews at Amazon.com on this book, it looks like it is a good psychological book. About some guy reviewing his life before he reaches middle age. I think his books are good. I just do not like his taking swipes at the Giants in his ESPN blog.
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I believe Reese can't fail at MLB another year
If they believe that we have that person on our roster …fine.
I do think Reese will have some work ahead of him on the OL. Diehl is suspect, Snee is not playing well, how many more years can we get out of McKenzie – do we draft the heir to the throne their. Baas was a good pickup
It goes back to MLB ….better make sure we have someone there. Also, I think Kiwanuka will leave to go play DE somewhere. LB’s, LB’s and LB’s and OL. I hope the draft and the picks Reese wants fall to him.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Giants did have a MLB
way before the draft but the dreadful letters A-C-L changed that. I agree with the OLine.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
When Goff went down
The vibe around was not that big of a concern, he wasn’t that great and this kid Jones was going to be awesome. Jones turns out to be a guy who was available in the sixth round for a reason and not the giant steal everyone made him out to be and now Goff was this HOF player whose loss is devastating and if he was just in there our LB unit would be great. Come on people! Let’s remember Goff got the same treatment as Jones as far as snaps go, basically avoid having him in the game as much as possible. When he was in the game he was nothing special. More competent than Jones I’ll give you, but a long term answer at that spot? No.
Kiwi is signed for 2 years so were good there for now
And by the time Kiwi is gone, if he goes, JWill will hopefully be ready tostart full time. Goff was expected to make huge strides this year after a pretty darn good first year as starter. unfortunatly his knee had other plans. Greg Jones should turn into a quality MBL as well. But i def agree that this D is sorely lacking a do everything LB on the middle or the outside. wouldnt mind one of those sometime soon
McKenzie will eventually be replaced by James Brewer. WIll beatty will anchor the LT spot for a while. Snee is having a rough year but hes not ready to replaced… far from it. We def need to pick up a G and C in the draft or FA.
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
JWill to replace Kiwi?
Ok, I get Kiwi doesn’t even belong in the LB unit to begin with (he hasn’t been awful by any stretch but he is still a better DE than LB), but how does JWill project as anything to replace Kiwi? You are talking about an undersized guy who doesn’t play in the base package because he is too easy to wash out and run over replacing a guy who is oversized for the position who is used to stuff the run and blitz as a joker. I don’t get that. JWill’s shine is wearing off a bit as well. He flashed some stats running around like a headless chicken, but he’s seen his snaps lopped due to errors and getting washed out. Note, when Boley went down Paysinger replaced him as the guy playing every down, not JWill.
I’m not sure what you’ve seen of Jones to think he is going to turn into a quality MLB. I’ve seen a guy that is slow, weak at the point of attack and easily washed out, and prone to many errors. He hasn’t given much to place hope in.
As for Goff see above. I think absence is making the heart grow fonder here.
As for Brewer, again I haven’t seen anything that fills me with confidence on that guy.
Goff comes back, we're fine at MLB.
and that is all
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 16, 2011 4:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We weren't fine when he was healthy so....
that is not all.
they were fine
so yes, all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I have to disagree with this article
I was told many, many times by knowledgeable posters on this site who obviously had inside information from the Giants’ organization based on how demonstrative they were with their declarations, that Reese in fact, had no plan. He took a vacation throughout the entire lockout, and when the lockout ended, he wasn’t ready, so he slept through the entire offseason. I was told many times that I wasn’t dealing in reality by defending Reese’s actions, and that I needed to take off my blue-tinted glasses. I refuse to believe, since I have seen very few of those posters come on here to acknowledge that they were wrong about anything, that so many insiders would be telling me incorrect information. I therefore must sadly refuse to believe Ed, and the claims he is making today.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.
by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 15, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I see what you're saying but...
I think that some people crediting Reese are basically saying “I was wrong” without actually saying it.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Well that just looks
like someone jumping on a bandwagon and hoping no one remembers how wrong they were earlier. Just man up and say “Hey, I’m not a highly paid NFL team executive. Maybe I don’t know as much about the inner workings of the team as I think I do.”
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.
by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 15, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
along with
- Eli Sucks
- TC must be fired now
- Gilbride and Fewell need to be demoted to beer distributors
- Kiwi is not an LB
- Quinn needs a pay raise.
- Second half collapses are written in stone every year.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
And awful choice in jewlery
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by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the teeth and
please no comments about her tits
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So where did you hook up with her?
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by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
You are now redeemed in my eyes
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by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
How can you resist that left eyeball?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Since when
does going on vacation and sleeping not count as a plan?
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 15, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh let's just go ahead and rec this
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
So, the Cowboys will be in elite company if they beat three pathetic teams...according to Dan G?
And given their upcoming schedule — games against the Redskins, Dolphins and Cardinals — they have the opportunity to make a big move in these rankings over the next three weeks. If they slip up, their ranking will deservedly be punished for it. But if they can keep their roll going against those lesser teams, they have a chance to move into elite company here pretty soon.
What?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
according to him, the Giants are not a top 10 team. Plenty of evidence for that apparently.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
BBI i posted something about you on the satirical fan post Fire Coughlin
Its towards the bottom
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When did the NFL go to a ranking system....
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by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
big move in these rankings
I love these experts and their love for the BCS rankings that ESPN uses.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to see just how many of these moves
or non moves were dictated to him by the salary cap.
I don’t know how close they were to the cap when the offseason shenanigans happened, but my thought is that he might have liked to pony up more cash and keep Boss, Smith, and Barry but just couldn’t.
The parts we have are good and have developed collectively into a nice team, but I would guess the coaching staff should get alot more credit than Reese for working with what the organization could fit under the cap.
Props to Reese, I hardly ever doubt the decisions he makes, but Bigger props to the coaches for making it all work and making JR look like the genius that he may be.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
He does a good job in getting good players which shows in depth
I agree that the salary cap had his hands tied too but those players we lost are not doing all that well at moment. The only one that could have still helped us was Coffield.
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In the end
it is a chess game and russian rullette all rolled up in one. You have to gamble which areas to invest in depth and which areas to go lite. We all thought the secondary and the LB’s were looking good prior to training camp. LB’s somewhat less so. Who knew the devistation that awaited us…
Throw in Diehl’s performance and a pressure philosophy that accents rushing 3-4 and you have the mix that Reese is working with. Just be happy Dodge is out of the picture.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent Point.
The big question with Philly wasn’t how they got all the players they did, it was how they got them under the Salary Cap.
I don’t believe that Reese had that flexibility with the Giants this year. The uncapped year of 2010 may have hamstrung the Giants in 2011.
Now, come 2012, there will be some more interesting choices to make, as a number of players are playing in their last or next to last year of their contracts.
The eagles were
able to fit everybody under the cap because most of their existing team was signed for the league minimum, or close to it. Quite simply, they had guys WAY outplaying their contracts.
Its going to bite them in the butt and they’ll either have to cut a lot of talent loose or run head-long into the cap, the way the Giants did.
Reese has been great...I wish they'd stick Scot in the game before he retires..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ram is gonna be on SNY in a bit
now if we can just get him in a game..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Southern NY?
That where Cruz got shot at. Tell em to duck!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I just rented a boat to the parents of Miss Murkavick
Supposed anchor of SNY . Is she really on that show?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
SNY is a network
there are many shows NY spots but , Jet , Met orientated.
Dont know this chic of which u speak.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Where u renting out boats, cos?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
I think they will draft OL
we can’t continue to have such a pathetic run game.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 15, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions
We do draft OL every year.
Did you mean in the 1st round
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I'd rather sign one or two
drafting one doesn’t help you right away.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Smith's numbers
are down because he’s not playing with Eli. If he was still a Giant, he’d be making plays. They had a great rapport, put in extra time in the offseason to perfect their connection, and it paid off for both players. Now, Eli is making other players look good.
SS is also deep on the depth. So he is not getting the ball a lot.
But yes if he was still with us he would be in the top 3 rotation.
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Bradshaw
Does anybody know i he is going to play sunday against the eagles
No news yet. We will have to see if he practices tomorrow. My feeling is that he will e a game time decision.
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