Giants-49ers Pro Football Focus Review
Time for this week's look at the Pro Football Focus review of the New York Giants performance in Sunday's 27-20 loss to the San Francisco 49ers. As always, I don't defend the PFF methodology or consider these grades to be gospel. There is always some subjectivity, so they are just for discussion.
That said, let's get started.
OFFENSE
Eli Manning (+5.6)
Danny Ware (+2.4) ... As I said Monday, this was Ware's best game as a pro.
Mario Manningham (+1.1) ... PFF likes what Manningham did Sunday more than I do.
Will Beatty (-1.1)
Chris Snee (-1.7)
David Baas (-3.3)
Kareem McKenzie (-4.1)
David Diehl (-6.2)
Obviously, PFF disagrees with my assessment in Monday's 'Kudos & Wet Willies' that this group had played pretty well overall. What I think is that PFF's grading system does not take into account the quality of the team the Giants played against. Here is what PFF said about the line play:
It wasn't long ago the Giants had one of the league's better offensive lines. Watching this game you would be hard pressed to imagine it, especially as three of those on this line were part of those impressive units. This line of William Beatty (-1.1), David Diehl (-6.2), David Baas (-3.3), Chris Snee (-1.7) and Kareem McKenzie (-4.1) combined to allow 16 pressures on the quarterback and two knockdowns. That goes some way to explaining their combined negative grade of -16.4, but they were all sub-par as run blockers too, making life difficult for the Giants on offense across the board. The offensive line for the Giants isn't this bad, but it has fallen a long way since it's heyday, and has become an issue that needs to be addressed. Worse than that, it is now capable of performances like this, which can torpedo their chances of a win in any given game.
At -16.3 for the season, Diehl is now 69th among 73 guards included in PFF's grades.
DEFENSE
Antrel Rolle (+3.1) ... A grade, in my mind, that was richly deserved
Jason Pierre-Paul (+2.5)
Kenny Phillips (+1.5)
Rocky Bernard (+1.4)
Corey Webster (+1.4)
Linval Joseph (+1.4) ... What was the name of that guy who went to the Washington Redskins?
Dave Tollefson (-1.3) ... Poor Tolly. As hard as he plays, PFF never likes the work that he does.
Greg Jones (-1.9)
SPECIAL TEAMS
Lawrence Tynes (+1.2)
Derrick Martin (-3.0) ... Can we give 'Penalty Machine' Martin a -1,000? That was a ridiculous display he put on Sunday.
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Diehl needs to go
Not based on PFF numbers, he just cannot do the job any longer. He was very good and I had hair long ago. Neither is true any longer.
Martin, I would cut him regardless. I would not have any confidence as a coach putting him in any situation. Terrible behavior, terrible judgement. Just plain dumb.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 15, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions
I dont have hair anymore either :(
and agree o all points. Deihl is making far too much money to be playing the way he is. Cut him at the end of the year, and possibly bring him back on a back-up’s contract.
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Booth taking over for him
At least the defenders would have to get around his butt before they got to Eli or the rbs. Get those cheeks onto the second level and watch out! I have been disappointed in Baas so far. I hoped he would be better.
Def Agree on Boothe
There’s no reason he shouldn’t be playing by now. He’s clearly better than Diehl now and his performances and versatility show it. He’s a cheaper option, i believe he’s stronger and quicker, + when he filled in for snee @ RG he got some real good push on a couple of runs and got to the second level. Deihl can’t get past David Baas after he snaps the ball. Time for a change, there holding on to that 07 08 09 hope like the did with O’Hara last year. To the left to the left
by AHoustonGiant on Nov 15, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
infuriating
Boothe has to be a better option than Diehl.
Diehl & the O-Line
Personally, I think if the Giants can find a good Center in free agency or the draft, they should move Baas to Diehl’s spot (he’s a natural Guard) . I haven’t been a fan of the work Baas has done so far. His shotgun snaps consistently hit Eli in the shins and at least initially he was having problems calling out the protection packages. I think they should take that responsibility away from him and move him back to his natural position and I think his production will increase greatly.
Hate to admit it but DD has to go
Rather than cut him, a super-sub? He’s played all spots but C.
Agree that OL should be a focus unless you think NYG bench strength will come forward – Brewer at T and Petrus at G.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
super sub him only if he redos his contract. He's owed a TON of money
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Diehl sucks, but he will continue to start as long as Coughlin is the coach. I can guarantee that.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 15, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to disagree with anything here.
Derrick Martin probably gets cut to make room for Jimmy Kennedy.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions
Rolle crushed it on Sunday.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
What about a 5th corner?
Even with prince coming back I don’t like having only 4 true corners available.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Well...
Cweb, Ross, Coe, Prince.
Ughh, yeah….
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Amukamara gets off the PUP-list
this week needs to get activated so i guess he will take martins rooster spot. I don’t know if they’ll release or activate Kennedy
Prince was never on the PUP. He was always a part of the original 53 man roster
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Linval
JR sure knows how to find Talent for the D-Line.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
unfortunately, the same could not be said for Canty....who for all but a few plays was pretty much invisible.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
i dont know about that
cantys job is to suck up blockers and clog the middle. The 6 rushes for 0 yards by Frank Gore is evidence the man did his job. in the past i would agree with you. This year tho, IMO, Canty is playing balls to the wall
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
linval looks incredibly fast
for his size and strength. I was shocked by the burst he had on that sack
yea linval has been looking real good
cant wait to have the Marvin Austin-Linval Jospeh combo collasping pockets left and right.
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
This year....yes
That last game?…..nah, he was getting blown off the line. Linval and JPP were the better run defenders at DT.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
This^^^
Canty may seem invisible, but he should be taking on 2-3 Blockers at the same time.
The only success 49ers seemed to have running the ball was on the edges… not straight up the middle, and that is on Canty, Linval and Bernard.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
this is a confusing statement.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
sorry about that.
what I meant to say, is if teams cant run right up the middle, the DTs are doing their job. They are meant to occupy blockers and form a wall, so the opposing O-Line cant make it to the second level.
The 49ers had almost no success running up the middle. unless we were in our NASCAR formation. That is all the proof you need that our DT’s including Canty did a good job.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
This excuse is getting old
Sorry but this notion that everyone on the dline is triple teamed every play is pure folly. The other team doesn’t have 13 olineman. Everyone is getting their chances with one on one match-ups as teams account for different guys along the line. Canty just hasn’t been that good. Despite Ed’s continued attempts at over pumping the new guys and disrespecting players that have moved on, Linval hasn’t been that consistently great either. He’s shown flashes but whether it stamina, mental lapse, or just Fewell messing with the line too much he isn’t a constant force in the middle.
i think triple teaming is an exagerration
but he takes up a blocker, and sometimes two, and occupies them. this frees up the other dlinemen to do their thing. yeah hes not a stats guy or a tackle machine, but he was a 3-4 DE, this is what his role is..eat up blockers.
he was a 34 de
but it was a slant based 34, in other words 1 gap not traditional 2 gap eat up blockers.
Linval hasn’t been that consistently great either.
“great” ? maybe not . getting better? MOST DEFINITELY
Remember the kids only really played in 2 hand full of games.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I'm not trasjing the kid
Just pointing out that Ed is overhyping him and dissing Coefield. I think we can just feel good about a kid showing potential and not go into the land of fallacy.
Canty is holding his own
and I don’t really have any major negative things to say about him.
You’re right Troy, Linval is getting better and we’ll see great improvement by the end of the season. I think it takes DT’s some time to reach their full potential.
If only we had Linval and Barry… although I’m hoping Austin will turn into that guy. We should have two great young DT’s for a long time to come
Canty's a beast
I dunno what you’re talking about.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
not last sunday.....
He has been for the rest of the year.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
not true
he’s not putting up the stats, but he’s constantly in the backfield on running plays.
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
just calling it how I saw it on Sunday.
He’s been awesome for the vast majority of the year, but there were plenty of instances where he was pushed off the LOS by only one blocker. He had a few good penetrations into the backfield, but that summed up the positives for the game. Not saying he was terrible, just mediocre for this one game and didn’t execute when he had the opportunities. It got overlooked though, because Linval had a pretty baller game and he was the one commanding both the G and C for a lot of the game.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
This status of this line is upsetting
Especially looking back to 2007-2008. I really hope JR addreses this early and often in the draft. Wouldnt mind a new LG and C…. Baas has been a decent fill-in, but i dont know if heis the answer there.
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions
Baas has been injured and hasn't played some games
so he gets more time to show his stuff. If JR thinks hes a “Pro Bowl caliber” player, then he’ll get his shot.
Bass had better be the Answer
The Giants paid a good chunk of change to get him but I agree Bass has not played well when he is playing. Hopefully he is just getting acclimated to a new system and don’t forget this is just his second year playing the center position San Fran converted him from the guard or tackle position a couple years back.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Sadly
so far he looks like another FA fail for Reese. Outside of a singe screen play early in the season where he ran out and leveled a guy, I haven’t seen anything out of Baas to make me think he warranted the cash. Reese got caught not having something in place for the inevitable day that iron man O’Hara finally completely broke down physically.
I'm not ready to categorize
Baas as a failure. Both of his bookends at guard have bee awful.
i would call him a FA fail just yet
and as far as “another FA fail for JR” goes… who else has JR signed who you think is a fail?
by Plaxico Burress on Nov 15, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Call it another FA overpay if that feels better
Baas joins the likes of Rolle, Canty, and Bernard as guys whose paychecks didn’t really synch with what the team got in return. People are going to have a hissy that I put Rolle in that list due to him playing better this year, but I still don’t think we are getting our money’s worth based on the number blown coverages he seems to be a part of. The fail in all of these situations may actually be unfair of me to pin as a FA fail. The reality is the fail in each case was leading up to those FA periods where Reese didn’t have a viable plan in place for an obvious upcoming need and he had to overspend on whatever was available at the time.
Baas has a " fail " playing directly to the left of him
He can’t do everything on his own. I’d give him an offseason before I call the guy a bust.
Yeah..he hasn't had enough time to learn the calls he needs to make..
Eli is forced to do all of that..Baas just snaps the ball…When Phonebooth is on center he only snaps the ball..The center is supposed to point out blocking assignments..Eli gets no help..which is another reason I think he is having remarkable season..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Baas at this point in his career
And this point in the season should be able to make the line calls, the fact that he can’t or can’t do it well is a bad sign.
Baas has been fine
its the one to his left and the decline of Snee that’s been the problem.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
My take is the flip
The decline of Snee and the degree to which Diehl is sturggling, has a lot to do with the quality at the center position. Baas just isn’t getting it done from the angle of making the line calls or his blocking. Big Mac’s age is finally catching up with him and Beatty is still making mistakes on his side of the line. If anything the guards are being hurt by the play around them rather than the guards hurting the play of those around them.
My take is the flip
this was implied.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno....I do agree that Baas has not been playing up to expectations
but I think that’s cause he’s playing hurt.
I’ve seen Diehl just get wrecked on a 1 v 1 matchup multiple times this season. Snee hasn’t been dominant either. All three make each other worse anyway.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Still have not seen a positive grade for Diehl all year
my god he stinks
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I dont always agree with PFF
But there numbers definitely confirm what my eyes see when it comes to Diehl. How bad can Petrus be??? This is how I felt last year when Diehl (common denominator) was at LT.
imagine Diehl was still the LT
Eli would be dead
Petrus can be an all pro and it wouldn't matter as long as coughlin is the coach
he loves his guys and would never bench them.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 15, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
The Cordle kid of the PS
Is getting in as the extra lineman “TE” rather than Petrus. That means there is something more there than just Coughlin and his guys, since Petrus should have “seniority” over Cordle. Perhaps he just isn’t as good as some of us, myself included, hoped he was going to be.
Run Blocking
I’m sure part of it was due to the Niners having a great run D but honestly I was very unhappy with the run blocking in this game. We had Linebackers and Lineback deep in the backfield half of the game on running plays. Until that improves our RBs are going to suffer too (and I still worry the inability to run will eventually start to affect the passing game).
if this was the first game the run game was terrible, then OK
but actually the run blocking was probably the best its been in weeks against the Niners.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
i thought the run blocking was fine last game
especially since it was against the #1 run defense on the road. Jacobs looked terribly slow at the end of the game and the 3rd-and-2 draw play to D.J. was just completely blown apart by a top 5 defensive player in Patrick Willis..can’t win them all.
exactly
maybe things are starting to go in the right direction? I agree its also Jacobs being a tortoise.
We need a damn RB.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Well
I will again credit the defense for part of it but I was seeing guys in our backfield all game. You can’t have a carry for no gain or a loss without someone being at or behind the line of scrimmage. And we had a ton of those. There just seems to be no push up front. And as far as Jacobs goes, big backs need more than 1/2 step to get moving. And that’s not going to happen with a guy draped on him 2 yards deep.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 15, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
you saw guys in the backfield
when the 49ers were absolutely positive we were running. Their 2 LBzzz are not considered the best for no reason at all. They shot the gaps faster than our backs could get to them.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
Yeah
It also had me starting to wonder if the issue with our run game this year is not the line or the backs but instead the playcalling being predictable when we run. And this is not a “I hate Kevin Gilbride!” thing (I’ve never really been that down on him), just an honest possibility.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
That was a pretty good fart..but needs to practice on duration
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I tokd you about these PFF numbers!!!
What is the deal with Deihl?? I tried to focus on him while watching the game (on TV) and for the plays that I do, he seems to be OK. Last week he steamrolled Fat Albert and this week according to PFF he stunk. What gives? Is he becoming a liability on the O-line? What do you think Ed?? I like DD,but is it time to look at someone else, or at least start the grooming process?
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 15, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions
Two words. (I know Ror won't like this....)
Cordy Glenn.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
one play steamrolling Fat Albert
doesn’t make a season. Bucky Bleeping Dent hit a huge home run. That didn’t make him a home run hitter.
I was pretty trashed on Sunday...
but i recall a pass being droped by Cruz only to watch KG and Eli dial up the same play call on the next play….which was intercepted.
did that really happen? or was i that intoxicated
TeamJPP
yeah.
Surprisingly, even Joe Buck noticed that.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Eli made some of the dumbest throws possible in this game (there were a couple should be INTs in there too)
And also some of the most brilliant throws I have ever seen.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
of course that INT never happens if Cruz just catches the pass the first time around
but yeah, some questionalbe passes, missing NIcks wide open was pretty bad….Eli can make that throw.
TeamJPP
yeah....also was frustrated by Eli not audibling out of a run when the 9ers were clearly run blitzing.
He had a very un-Eli-like game on Sunday…..the only reason he had a good game was because of the insane throws he made. He didn’t make great decisions and did not do a great job at the LOS.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with both of you
Eli was a little uneven. But credit that Niner D. Great ballhawks in the backfield, active and physical linebacking (God, I wish we had a Patrick Willis in the middle), and a very solid front line.
But Eli is more accurate this year than I ever remember. He threw some absolute strikes Sunday. Those are the type of throws that mark a QB as elite in this league, and this year Eli is just that this year. You’ll always have bad moments against a very good D in this league. Unless your name id Aaron Rodgers. That guy is just sick right now.
Go Giants!
yup
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he tossed a couple of turds...Eli doesn't throw well when he rolls out...
He’s a surgeon when he moves around in the pocket..unfortunately he was forced to run for his life too many times…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The throw
To Nicks was a Incredible And the trow to Manningham and Cheese in the back of the end zone was friggin amazing! I shouted at My brother only Eli Mother D##kin Manning baby!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
WR aren't going to be wide open every play
at times the ball needs to be forced. A QB needs to rely on his WR to make a play or prevent an INT.
yes it was
I screamed at the TV after that
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
50-50
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Nah Cruz said it was a different play
but he had the same route in each.
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This PFF stuff I really don't like..
But I guess I can understand the scores this week..I didn’t see a score on Jacobs though..or am I going blind?…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
they don't give out grades that graded out in between +0.9 to -0.9
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Oh okay thanks
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
yeah....just means that they thought he had an average game.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
That was a reasonable assement on our O-line...
We all already know we have troubles there this year..for some odd reason…overall I thought this was one of their better games against a very stingy defense..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
We were better run blocking in this game. We did give up a few pressure though
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah accumulatively we had a decent total...
But that damn Jacobs keeps breaking it outside…They need to put a leash on him..He had one play where the line parted the ocean for him..and he pulls a Baryy Sanders act..Does he really know how much he weighs?…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
exactly. I didn't think anything would make me angrier than seeing JPP playing DT
….but then I see Jacobs forced to run stretch plays.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes JPP at tackle..ridiculous...waste of talent..I had to check the born on date on my
Beer to makes sure I wasn’t hallucinating…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
JPP made the most of it with his run defense.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Tuck
Heard him with Francesa. Just about admitted he’s underperforming but says he feels good and rounding into form. Lets hope so. We need him to be his Pro Bowl self starting Sunday.
DavebrownNOT
indeed. I think he's really concerned about his neck, so he's a little hesitant
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
i called out yesterday and watch it as well...
did Tuck really not record a sack or tackle in that game?
thats not our Justin….
TeamJPP
something I've been watching very closely for a while now
I think what bothers me the most is that when playing that DT/NT role, he’s not not exactly polishing his talents as a DE.
he’s just otu there taking on Double Teams….trying to knock passes down
TeamJPP
That's exactly it. I've been watching him very closely too (because lets face it...he's a fan favorite)
and the thing with him is….he really does have a shitty pass rush arsenal. The reason he’s real good is because he has an awesome bull rush, and his flexibility/long arms automatically give him great leverage. But that gets washed out if he’s facing a guard or center instead of a tackle.
JPP is fast…real fast….but doesn’t have the lateral agility or a swim move to get by the guard, so he just ends up getting stonewalled for a lot of plays. At least with the tackle, he has a chance to either run by on the edge, or just overpower some of the lighter tackles….
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
it's to the point where you hardly even see him rush the QB...
from the DE position anymore.
he’s usually only playing DE on running plays.
but his technique is suffering…..and than you start to wonder if maybe a DT taking on the role w/ JPP going back to DE (even w/ a 3 man rush) would be more effective?
TeamJPP
Yeah....I'm just not sure why this is even happening.
The dude is 275 lbs. Not exactly a strong interior presence at that size. Is it because Fewell thinks JPP can be effective there?….because he isn’t really.
Or is it because the DTs are getting tired….If that’s the case…I can’t wait to get Kennedy back and have a rotation of Anvil, Shredder, Rocky, and Kennedy.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
it's almost like
he knows damn well he’s a force, and just wants him on the field….regardless. like Bobbi points out below
TeamJPP
I suppose, but that still ain't right.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's because of 2007
Tuck at DT worked there so Coughlin is forcing Fewell to play JPP and Tuck there again with hopes that something will work out.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 15, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think they know they got to get him out there somewhere..somehow
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Agree that Ware looked very good.
He was slashing into holes and fighting for additional yardage. I’m not a huge fan of his, but I haven’t seen a Giant back hit the hole as quickly in a long time.
Call me crazy
I do not see it that way. The offense had over 400 yards went up and down the field, one sack, the runnng game was solid against the top rush D (except the predictable 2nd and long delay/draw run), Eli had time to throw. Do not see the O Line that negative.
While the Defense could not get off the field, allowed Smith to shine, not enough pressue on Smith and gave up 27 points.
Just do not see the numbers that way.
by GiantFaninColorado on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions
Well like I said I thought overall we played a decent game..
We just made too many mistakes and they didn’t, hence we lost..It was interesting TC pointed out that they talked all week about the potential for an onside kick…and they blew it..He went nuts on the sideline over that…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I agree
the offense I thought marched up and down on the supposedly stout Niners. The running game wasn’t exactly 2008 Earth Wind and the occasional Fire but I thought they were respectable regardless of the yardage total.
Eli Manning is a friggin beast and I really, REALLY hope this team makes the playoffs this year cuz once you make that second season its the play of your QB that takes you so far.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed..I just hope Aaron Rodgers trips on a roller skate..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
he has had a history of concussions??????
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah he's had his bell rung a few times...
He looks like he has one now…When I look at that guy, I think..there’s something wrong with that guy..lol
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
AR can play as well as he is capable
Our D is responsible for making that not so good….
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
89 rushing yards
from our RBs. That’s not very good.
Need to win 4 more games
PHI
DAL
WSH
DAL
The NYJ would be a bonus.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions
I thinking more like 5 at least to make the playoffs...the Jets are very doable
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Rex also thinks the fans are doable based on his comment Sunday...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
They can do themselves...
Rex is happily married to a beautiful woman who never had a poorly scripted foot fetish video posted on YouTube.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
yeah, no Oscar nod
for that video
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
If Dallas wins their next 3 winnable games
then we will definitely need to win out in the division and take out the Jets
I think we can go 1-1 v. Saints and Packers
Obviously I like our chances against the Saints better, but I still am not convinced the Packers are a perfect team, and we’re as good a team as any left on their schedule. The Chargers game was evidence that they can be beaten by a team with enough playmakers. The Saints have a good record, but they benefit from a weaker than expected division. I don’t think they’re as good as their superbowl team that beat up on us.
Go Giants!
Yup, we just have to sneak up on them

I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
awe
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
You never know when he will strike!

I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
False start on the dog..LOL!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I hate calling games a must win since they really all are
but this one I’d say is important. Beating Philly makes us 2-1 in the division. Also all this talk of that team being dead is premature. They’ve come back plenty of years to be 8-8, 9-7 or whatever to make the playoffs and I think they beat the Giants one of those years. Need to cut that head off. It also makes games like GB and NO less important although of course I’d like to win those games.
Thing is I always predict a split with the bEast teams, so that means we’re due for a loss against Philly.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
As I said on Jimmy's blog
The Eagles are like the Duke Blue Devils… they’re not dead until the final seconds tick off the clock. More lives than a cat.
c'mon brian, this team ain't going 7-0....one more loss and they're pretty much a wrap
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
That is true but you can bet your life that they will be looking to knock people out of the playoffs.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
oh indeed
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Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Wire references never get old right?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Can't predict anything with a division game.
you can be sure that the Giants will be awake from the beginning in this one.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
How many times in the last 5 years
have they lost some games, looked out of it, only to charge back, and make the play-offs? It has happened a few times. Not saying it is likely, but they are in the same realm of they inexplicably stay alive when common sense says they are done, at least a level that surpasses your average team.
I don't think the Giants have forgotten how much Vick was crying last time.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
plus this will be the first face to face meeting b/t Osi and Lady Gaga
so sparks should fly.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
They're dead for this year
But they can still win a game here and there, especially against a division rival.
Go Giants!
Last I checked, cats only have one life?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ed
Obviously, PFF disagrees with my assessment in Monday’s ‘Kudos & Wet Willies’ that this group had played pretty well overall
as fans we’re settling for less. Our running game was so bad now when they have moderate success we think they played well. They didn’t. On Sunday we rushed from 93 yards, 89 if we discount Eli’s scrambles. That’s not very good.
i'm with Ed on this one i think
San Fran has consistently gotten pressure with bringing 4 only, so the fact that they continued this trend is not surprise to me. and while Eli had to slide to his left and right a few times Sunday, i never felt like his life was in danger to the point where the line was breaking down. Also, we rushed for minimal yards, but again, this is the number 1 rushing D in the league. they give up like 70 yards a game. so to me, the fact that we got 89 on them tells me that we did better than most teams have done this year. not overwhelmingly so, but enough in my eyes to move the chains and set up better passing situations. So i’m in agreement with Ed, PFF isn’t taking into account who we were facing in their equation.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
It was the 2nd most yards against the 49ers, I believe. Also, I thought the pass protection was pretty decent
Also, I think they were hamstrung by the playcalling. You could tell that the 49ers knew EXACTLY when we were going to run, and were ready to tee off on the OL.
That being said, this OL is a shell of themselves from a couple years ago, though I am becoming increasingly impressed with what Will Beatty has been showing.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
yes on all of this
that 3rd and 2 was SO telegraphed. and called from the sideline, btw. And yes, i’m on the Beatty bandwagon, always have been actually.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
I've been on the Beatty bandwagon as well....though I'm literally seeing a week by week improvement.
I can firmly say that I’m more worried about our RT than I am by our LT…..and that’s a good thing.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
which begs the question
At -16.3 for the season, Diehl is now 69th among 73 guards included in PFF’s grades.
why run behind Diehl is such a critical situation. Also, if memory serves me most of the runs on that last drive were behind Diehl.
I feel bad for the 4 guys who rank worse.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
They ought to hand the ball off to Diehl acouple of times...
See idiot???..That’s what it feels like for a runner when you don’t block !!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LOL!
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
They probably ran behind Diehl
because they don’t check PFF ratings before they call a play.
PFF ratings
should be sharpied on their foreheads.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Help: Having a get together for Sunday's game
What goes good with Hot-dogs and chips: Pale Ale, Coronas, Blue Moon…or straight up Tarantula Shots with Heineken!
can't go wrong with Blue Moon
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
You want a lager instead of an ale.
Go with Blue Moon or Heineken.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
A couple of strippers wouldn't hurt...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
to save time, they could be one and the same...

I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha...Bavaro has got to
Spring a little more dough..for the strippers..gawd !!…Either that or hand out brown paper bags…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
All the above.
Bobbi’s suggestions included.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
this
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
The heart attack machine!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
The magic beer machine is a natural compliment to the HA machine

I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know how does this machine work?
it’s amazing!
That's a good question...and the damn cups don't leak!!..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Magic, hence the name....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd get some cheese and crackers too
maybe a wedge of Saint Andre and some breadsticks and/or some sheep’s milk brie and some ritz crackers.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Definately toothless
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well obviously as you can see..We all jumped in there
To help you out brother..You’ll have a blast..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Step up and make big plays
Walking the Talk…
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
The Running Game
Diehl needs to be replaced by Boothe. Thought Snee looked better vs SF. Can live with McKenzie as long as he stays away from penalties. Think Baas ok, but not run mover like he was at SF. Main problem is BJ has to run behind Pascoe or Hyno with power into the Defense. If Bradshaw not ready, wanna see more of Scott.
DavebrownNOT
I wish I could go back in time
maybe 2 years, so I could post on BBV that there would be significant clamoring for Boothe to start at guard.
I'd like to go back in time 35 years..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
yeah
I could tell my parents DONT DO IT! LOOK AT THE RESULTS!
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 15, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!!!...haha!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Remember...
most accidents occur within 25 miles of home.
and let them know its to replace Diehl at LG
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
...off his buttucks
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
...out of his buttucks....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
There's an idea...have him swallow the ball and fart it at Eli when they
Are in the shit-gun formation…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
As long as he has never been a Tight End....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Has Boothe
Played LG before? How has he done?
DavebrownNOT
Yeah last year..he did a good job...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Well, it takes about 10 seconds to run around him...
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 15, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that's a long distance Phone call right there
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Diehl Done?
I dont hold all that much from PFF, but Diehl has graded miserably in just about every game so there must be some truth to it. Also, I have watched him and he gets beaten on running plays repeatedly along with occasionally letting his guy pressure Eli. Think Boothe ready to take over at LG. Can Boothe do any worse than Diehl so far? What are coaches thinking? Ed, any thoughts?
DavebrownNOT
Our running game is beyond attrocious
3.3 yards per run….. That’s worse than the friggin COLTS
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 15, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions
3 posts all negative
How are the Gmen 6-3?
by GiantFaninColorado on Nov 15, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions

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