'Friday Five' With Pat Traina: Devin Thomas, Mathias Kiwanuka Among Topics
by Ed Valentine on Nov 11, 2011 7:00 AM EST
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It is Friday, which means time for our weekly 'Friday Five' with Inside Football editor Pat Traina. This week we talk about Devin Thomas's demotion, the play of Mathias Kiwanuka, which Giant should play fullback, and more.
Ed: I saw the reports this week that Devin Thomas has lost the kick return job. I know Tom Quinn has not been happy with him. Any thoughts on the move, and who might ultimately be the primary kickoff return guy?
Pat: My only thought is what took Quinn so long to make the move? Ball security issues aside, some of Thomas' decision making has been head scratchers. As a kickoff returner, if you're not getting the ball to at least the 20 yard line every time, then you're not doing your team justice. That's something Thomas hadn't been doing. Look for Da'Rel Scott and/or DJ Ware to handle kickoff return duties this week, at lest based on what Thomas told The Daily News.
Ed: Mathias Kiwanuka just won Defensive Player of The Week. I know people still cling to the 'he's a better defensive end than linebacker' belief, but from where I sit he is playing well wherever he is placed. Your thoughts on Kiwanuka's play, and how the Giants are using him?
Pat: I'm still not 100 percent comfortable when I see Kiwi in coverage and I believe he would be even more effective as a defensive end. However, he has played very, very well the last few weeks as a linebacker, no question.
Ed: OK, coach Traina. Time to put you on the spot and make you. Assuming both are healthy, who do you play at fullback -- Bear Pascoe or Henry Hynoski?
Pat: Is Madison Hedgecock healthy yet?
All kidding aside, if you're talking about this week, I think you go with Pascoe ONLY because Hynoski has been inactive from football for four-plus weeks (including the bye ). The 49ers have one of the most difficult run defenses that the Giants have faced thus far, so I think it makes sense to go with experience.
Another reason why I think they go with Pascoe is because this week, Rhino was on track to take his first full week of reps since before his injury. You can't tell me that he doesn't have some rust on his wheels, especially given how the new CBA limits pads and contact in practices. So I think it might take Rhino another week or two to get his sea legs back under him.
Ed: We all know the history of poor finishes to the season by the Giants during the Tom Coughlin era. There is no way of knowing what will happen, of course. But, do you get the sense from this team that there will be a better ending to the season this time around?
Pat: Truthfully I've heard this all before from the players, who say this time will be different, etc. I take what's said with a grain of salt. I think what people have to look at is the injury situation. I have long suspected that the reason for the second half collapse is that key injuries hit major contributors and that sends the team into a tailspin simply because the further you go into a season, the less quality street talent you'll find available.
Remember how a few years ago injuries wiped out the linebackers and the Giants had to pull in guys off the street for playoff game (which they lost)? So to me it's not so much about what's being said - I think the key will be can they stay relatively healthy for the second half of the season, and if they can, I think they'll avoid a second half slump.
Ed: Nobody really talks much about the play of the Giants defensive tackles. What do you think of that group?
Pat: I think they're the unsung heroes so far. Really I've been pleased by what I've seen. Linval Joseph is a load inside and while his name doesn't get called much, he really does a nice job of mucking up the middle. Canty has also been playing well, though a couple of weeks ago, he had aq quiet game.
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They can't slump again in the 2nd half of the season
can they?
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln
Thomas's returning
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. With the way the return game has been blocking for him he would basically have had to kneel almost every single kick that went into the endzone this year if he was only going to take them out if getting to the 20 was a lock. And he still would be benched or have people calling for it, saying “Why don’t you try to take them out? We can have anyone just stand back there to not run them!” Until the blocking on kick returns get better it wouldn’t matter if we had Devin Hester back there.
It's the muffs
More than anything else that are getting him replaced. The Giants have been lucky none of those have been turnovers.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 11, 2011 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
That part I can understand. I just don’t think people should be getting their hopes up that putting someone new back there will change the yards on our returns.
by Midnight Blue on Nov 11, 2011 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
And I don't see why our special team blockers...
… should be poorer than any other team’s. I think Quinn is a lousy ST coach. Drawing up a kick return blocking scheme isn’t brain surgery. There seems to be a lot of other guys who don’t stink at it. Why don’t we get one of those guys over here.
If there are no muffs
then that is a better change then yards on the returns.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Nov 11, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
It's not all blocking.
On way too many of Thomas’ returns, is just runs in a straight line, no cuts, no moves. Just straight, even if there’s a guy in front of him, until he’s tackled. Maybe Scott can give them that cut guy who can change the entire skew of the kick coverage with one cut. It’s worth a shot, because, as much as you want to blame blockers, Thomas was muffing kicks, and it’s easy for any one to tackle you when you consistently run in a straight line. And I’m a big Thomas supporter (well, I was, his novelty is starting to wear off with me, I thought he’d be our 4th WR)
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 11, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
It is also
bringing kicks out of the end zone more than 5 yards deep (their rule of thumb).
I was a supporter of his early this season, so he has been a disappointment to me.
With that said, some blocking would help?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 11, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
he isn't special
The problem is Thomas isn’t special. There is no feeling that one more block might spring him for a TD. Really one more block will just allow him to run a few more yards in a straight line. Great returners can make something out of nothing, and they help to set up their blocks with the way they run. Thomas has none of those abilities.
hixon was special
and yet he had to do that mad dash up to the 15 yrd line just like Thomas. Then, it.s two parts; blocking and returner recognition of openings. For the returner, everything is at full speed ahead. Decisions are made in a 10th of a second. DaRell Scott has never done this job. Ever. Can he catch? Will he be able to hold on to the ball. Will he find seams that don’t exist? Why is he the better choice?
Thomas is being punnished for his muffs. If he corrects his muffing (that sounds a little ribald), he is the man for the job. If Quinn doesn’t haave the ability to teach blocking to his players then it’s his fault. If Coughlin knows that Quinn can’t coach, then it’s his fault.
We lost the game to Seatle for more grevious mistakes than Thomas’ muffed catches. Mistakes that made us a 6-2 team playing a 7-1 team this week. Who got spanked coming out of that disaster?
If Scott does everything right. It will make me very happy. If he takes it all the way, I will be extatic. And I will wipe the egg off my face. I just happen to like Thomas in that role.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Watch Devin Hester return kicks.
He sees the entire field, and will make a cut that changes the entire lane of the return WITHOUT losing any speed. That is the key. Can we find a guy that will make a cut to change the return lane, without losing speed. Not saying he’ll be a homerun threat every time, but to me, Scott fits that mold much more than Thomas does.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 11, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
So all we need is Devin Hester and we'll be fine lol
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Nov 12, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
That's right..God would have a hell of a time returning a kick on our team with that shitty
Blocking..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Agree 100%
about the blocking scheme, negating any returner’s chances.
Now on to hoping I am wrong again. Give Scott a couple of tries, he’s already shown his speed so lets see if he can (hang on to the ball) do something productive.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
One of,
if not the most devastating play to happen to the Giants occured off a muffed punt. The difference, Jackson had blocking. There is nothing special about our special teams. Hasn’t been for a long while.
Quinn must go !!
Oh… there is something very “special” about our special teams.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Well you got me...
I forgot about that kind of “special”……everyone hop on the short, yellow bus. Tom Quinn will be leading this tour!
Quinn must go !!
well
they’ve already got their safety helmets on.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Wait I get it
They’re retarded, right? Hint, hint, wink, wink. I know what yur talking about cause my wife’s a school psycologist at one of them special schools.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
no offense
intended… the word special comes with a couple of meanings and in this case I’m attaching the meaning that most reflects the play of our special teams.
I was a mentor and coached several special kids in track and field at my high school, so don’t bother getting all high and mighty on me. Just having fun.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
that's my specialty
getting high and mighty. Then finding out that my outrage is misplaced. I eat a lot of crow. Use enough salt, crow is mighty tasty.
However the “helmet” comment, with it’s double entendre is hard to missunderstand.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
The Giants 2 DTs are excellent
Anvil is basically a redshirt freshman, but he’s gonna be a real good one. Canty’s playing his best ever since he’s been here. The problem is these guys aren’t on the field a lot, Bernard too. I understand getting the DEs on the field, but the fact is taht while for the most part they’re good run defenders, they’re not as good as Canty or Joseph stopping the run. The DTs got to be on the field, not Dave Tollefson.
I also think even the team underrates Canty and Joseph’s ability to rush the passer.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
the best past rush teams usually have the push right up the middle
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
and that's not a good thing to do all the time
the best rush up the middle is a bull rush, when the OL man is getting driven into the QB
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Let the DE's play DE
and the DT’s play DT. Most of the time.
That is all…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
This
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Nov 12, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
I’m not really a fan of the Nascar pkg.
I’ve said it before, it puts at least two players out of their natural position, and in my mind makes them less effective and the team less effective as a whole.
I hope they have enough sense to keep the DT’s in against Gore this week.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I love the NASCAR thing
its just I’d rather have all 4 of them out there on a third and long. Or maybe you have all of them out there with Anvil or Canty as the NT, and one of the DEs standing up and picking a lane to eat.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I know I'm going to catch hell for suggesting a Bill Sheridan defense.
but on 3rd and long, I can’t see why we can’t go with the “vaunted” 5-1-5.
Kiwi – JPP – Tuck – Canty – Osi on the line
Boley as the LB
Ross – Phillips – Grant – Antrel – Webster as the secondary
I was watching the Bears, and another team that I can’t remember, but the umbrella formation they used in the secondary was wicked. Both safeties back, and spread out in an inverted U. That looks like a zone defense that I’d be okay with. Not this one safety deep bullshit.
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 11, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
How often have we brought 5
I just wish they’d blitz a bit early to rattle some of these guys.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
that was a bill sheridan myth
it was always talked about but never used. Also I bet Sheridan would’ve had been a decent DC if they weren’t as injury plagued as they were in 2009. Even this season, he probably does well.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 11, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
with CC Brown ,Michael Johnson, Aaron Rouse
and Ross playing safety few games I believe even Parcells would have sucked but Parcells would ’ve sucked their souls out for making those bone head plays in 09.
we'd get run on for 15 yards a pop
just like we did when Sheridan used it.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I think he was saying to use that only in obvious passig situations.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 11, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I think they could get more creative out of nascar.
Have a guy like Canty at one end, Kiwi at the other, with JPP and Tuck inside, and have all four stunt, bringing Canty and Kiwi inside on a twist. That’s a lot to ask of your o-line to be able to not only handle those 4, and say a blitzer, but those 4 moving around and switching places.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 11, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I would like
to see them blitz more regardless of what package they use.
When the Pats had fourth and eight last week from the 10 yard line, I knew who
he was looking for, would have loved to dial up the pressure in that situation.
I also thought they should have a safety high to help out Boley.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 11, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
They should be on the field a lot this week vs this team
Joseph is comming on reminds me a little of Freddie Robbins, fat man with some nice wheels.
+1
I watch Linvil a fair amount and while sometimes he gets caught in the wash a bit there are two things you cannot miss – he is really strong and can hold up at the point ot attack against just about anybody and he can get a push up the middle when the situation calls for it.
So yeah, Leave him in there more in passing situations. See what happens. PF might be surprised.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
Most DTs, especially a 2 gap guy, take a while to play there best football
Expect Linval to get better, maybe significantly better
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
yea Cofield was a rarity, kind of like Corn Griffen before him
they got drafted and did well right away. Maybe unspectacular but they were solid starters from their rookie season.
When we drafted Anvil he was called raw kind of like JPP, he’s also a freak of nature but not to the level JPP is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 11, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Depth it's a great problem to have
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
i disagree with this
when we see the big runs its usually Canty & Linval getting washed out of the middle. Not a good thing for our run D which hasnt been very good to begin with. These guys need to be a little more stout in the middle. I thought Jimmy Kennedy was doing a real good job of that & I’m glad he’s coming back. LEt’s see if he changes anything against the power running game this week.
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
when I see the big runs
its usually Tollefson or JPP playing inside. Maybe one or two occured with the 2 DTs in there, but most are when one is on the bench.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 11, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
partially true
ITS mostly Canty that I see getting pushed around & its often when he overpursues. I couldnt name them all but I specifically remember Fred Jackson’s 80yd TD & a couple in the Miami game.
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
oh they running on the DT's too
usually b/c no LB help is there behind them.
primarily b/c one LB hits the wrong gap and another one gets swallowed up by an Olineman
TeamJPP
u may be right
I havent checked myself, just going by what some people around here were talking about. that sux if he’s not back yet. I was really hoping to have him this week.
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
actually
u are correct. he’s been out for 4 weeks but its only been 3 games so this will be the last game he’s out.
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
In regards to the second half collapses
In my opinion each season is independent of one another.
04 the team was not as good and they went with the rookie QB
05 (the season Pat is reffering too) there really was no collapse I mean 5-3 big win vs Dallas that locked up the Division Nice Home win vs a good KC team in December. The Linebackers did get destroyed with injuries but the rest of the team was pretty healthy. AP got hurt in December and it affected the Run D which John Fox and Carolina expoited in the first round of the playoffs.
06 was injuries period. Pettiguate, Toomer, Strahan, Osi, Tuck, Arrington had season ending or missed the majority of the season with injuries that occured in the first half. Once they played the likes of the Bears, Cowboys, and Eagels they were in bad shape. Eli also slumped late.
07 4-4 Key injuries with Ward, Shockey, and Kiwi but they had depth at all positions so it was not much of a factor. They just played poorley against mediorce teams, Minny and Wash specifically Eli he was very up and down the second half once he got his act together the team won a SB
08 – Plax. Other guys got banged up but they could not overcome the loss of Plax and I still contend if they did not have to play Philly they get to the SB. Philly with JJ knew how to scheme vs them without Plax
09- They stunk
10 – This was the most dissapoiting and puzling collaspse. When they Yes they had some injuries but JR did a nice job with depth on the O-line that minimized the injury situation. They missed Smitty but the D kinda came apart. The loss to a collapsing Dallas after being 6-2 cost them the playoffs and obviously the second Philly game was a disaster. 2010 sucked cause if they had gotten into the playoffs GB would not have and the G-Men could of made a run without them in the tournament
11 – The injuries and scedule still scare me. I mean this week we might find out how much we miss Goeff. Wash is the only “easy game” on the scedule left. I mean they might go 3-5 miss the playoffs but still play relatively well over the next 8 weeks. Man if they win the next 2 and can get to 8-2 going into NO and GB I’d feel a lot better.
I guess my point is each season has different reason for collapsing some seasons were not even “collapses”. 07 and last year were the only two years in which they were relatively healthy and just played poorly.
Every team has injuries
especially late in the season. You can spin it and make excuses but under TC we’re had one winning record in the last 1/4 of the season.
Maybe getting bit by the injury bug
before/at the beginning of the season (as far as season enders go) will be to our benefit now. That is, of course, assuming that nobody else goes down for the year, which would be almost as unfair as our schedule every year (@NE, @SF, PHI, @NO, GB = the schedule creator hates the Giants).
Schedule is pre determined.
We play the AFC division we haven’t played out of the 4 division rotation, i.e., haven’t played East for 4 years, we play one NFC division that’s chosen, We got the lowly NFC west, and we play the teams that finished in the same position in their division as the Giants did last year, i.e., the Saints and Packers both finished 2nd in their divisions last year. And our division is always tough. The NFC West was the only flex part of the schedule in essence, and that is the worst division in football, save the Niners.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 11, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
that 2005 playoff game referenced with the street linebackers
That was the 23-0 loss to Carolina. Eli threw 4 picks and the offense played like garbage, i witnessed it first hand. We could’ve had LT, Harry Carson and Carl Banks out there that day, if you score 0 points you lose. I don’t buy into the injury excuse.
Good point the O was terrible as well I was there
and left after the 3rd quarter thats how ugly it got.
"Time to put you on the spot and make you"????
Ed..warn yourself !!!….lol !!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LOL!
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 11, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Funny thing about that is
Pat actually re-copied my question. I didn’t notice that she actually cut off part of it in her response to me.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 11, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!!!..Well I'll let you off the hook this time..
Press the ‘OK’ button…LOL!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Will they avoid a second half collapse?
No clue. My Magic 8-Ball keeps saying “ask again later”. what I do know us that this team has faced more adversity than any team with a remotely similar record, and they’ve consistently fought through it. If Cruz hadn’t slipped in the Seahawks game, they’d be 6 for 6 for 4th qr comebacks… that’s insane.
This team has the one thing the rest if the NFCE can’t buy: Heart.
by Raptor22 on Nov 11, 2011 8:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This team has the one thing the rest if the NFCE can’t buy: Heart.
rec’d
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 11, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Our guys are actually either healthy or getting healthy...
Big difference from the past two seasons..Keep your fingers crossed..The ‘D’ is getting better every week…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'm not sure about Tuck
He’s been here before. Playing games at the end of the season but with little left in the tank. That guy plays through a lot of pain but it takes it’s toll.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
I hope those few weeks off
keeps him fresh for the later games. Him not being on the injury report is a good sign and lets hope it stays that way
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I hope
he gets more rest If the team locks up the East early. Or if they can just cut back the number of snaps when possible. Tolly is playing at the best level of his career. He can hold down the fort at least.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
the best thing about Tuck is apparently he's getting healthier and not getting worse or staying at 70% or wherever he was
having all these DEs is allowing him to still play yet somehow get healthier.
Getting Jimmy Kennedy back will add a 4th DT to the mix now too, so now we’re 5 deep at DE with Tolly and 4 at DT. You need that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 11, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
A special thanks today
to all our Armed Forces Veterans. All the men and women that have served this great country and who have made great sacrifices. And a special shout out to the vets on this site like Bobbiblue, Larry Soprano, nywins42 and any others I did not mention and I apologize for forgetting to including you.
Thanks you and God bless those still serving.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Amen
I think sometimes we all lose sight of the sacrifices made. God Bless to all our Armed Forces.
Well thanks...
I served 4 years active and 4 years National Guard, even played in the great sandbox, Desert Shield/Storm. Good times!
Quinn must go !!
Thank you are your service. Did you get to watch SB 25 over in the Gulf?
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
was in the USMC in Viet Nam (Dan Nang) in ‘67-’68. Had the pleasure of the Tet Offensive with 11 days to go before I got out. Talk about shakin the shit out of your pantleg.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
damn
getting thrown in that huge operation days before you got out, God Bless you good sir.
Team TAWD:
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Thx again and I feel blessed. Life's been good.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Not live
but my mom recorded it for me and mailed me the tape. I had a 22" with the built in vcr. Great game and for the times, a great tv.
Quinn must go !!
I got to watch it
In a barracks with about 20 other squids, most with no allegiance to either team. By halftime most everyone was rooting for the Giants.
Good memory as I was stateside and a long way away from harms way.
Wide right never had a prayer
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
by tommy d. on Nov 11, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
xinfinity
a little cliche, but all y’all are the real heroes of this country.
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 11, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for this...
It’s folks like everyone on this site and all over this great country that make you proud to serve it.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
no.... thank you Bobbi
and every time I hear you flew an F-117… I say to myself…. awesome!
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
an F-117, really thats awesome
Tell us… is that the most expensive thing you’ve ever farted on? I’m guessing it almost has to be.
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 11, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha!!..that damn F117A..I don't know whether I was flying it..
or it was flying me..It was like riding on one of those old wooden roller-coasters..My favorite little sports car was my F-16..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Niceeeeee
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't ever fart in that thing..
I was too busy shittin twinkies..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
No..Out of the question..In fact you couldn't find booze over there anywhere..
I did piss a bunch of Arabs off though once..All you need to do is go to a dinner and grab a hunk of meat with your left hand..they use that to wipe their ass..they don’t have toilet paper..and they don’t carve their meat you just reach over and pick a hunk with your hand..but if you used the ass-wipe hand you’d start a knife fight..but drinking?..Hell no..never..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Thanks, TAWD
I feel honored to have been able to serve our country and I wouldn’t trade my experience in the Navy for anything.
Those currently serving and their families are in my thoughts and prayers everyday and always will be.
Thanks to all for their comments…it really makes a guy feel good.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
my pleasure
can’t thank you guys enough
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Just piggybacking on here at the end
No matter what someone’s political beliefs are, we should always be greatful for those amongst us who are willing to put their lives on the line in service to our country.
I’d especially like to thank those families that have made the ultimate sacrifice.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
by trueblue63 on Nov 11, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well said
thank to the families too
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yes..the real heros are the men and women that never made it home..
or came back injured..They are the heros
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It's been awhile...
I think I may miss being a squid a little bit.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
We Love You For YOUR Sacrifice and Patriotism
Your dedication is too often overlooked but you have SOOOO much to be proud of. And we are all proud of you. You help make us the greatest country in the world and allow millions to enjoy life’s greatest commodity – FREEDOM!
DavebrownNOT
Thanks, marfar
This is the greatest country in the world and everyone is responsible for that.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
rec'd
Well said
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
Thank you!
To err is human.
To forgive is divine.
Neither is Marine Corps Policy.
by Big Blue in tx on Nov 11, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes We Lose Perspective
The athletes we admire and discuss on this site are just that- athletes. Those of you who put your lives on the line to protect our country are so much more. Ironic that the athletes dont get as excited about your heroism as you do about theirs. But that is the beauty of sports.
DavebrownNOT
Its always nice to be thanked
And appreciated as a veteran.
You guys here are awesome for remembering the vets.
I love this community …sob….sniff :-)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
by tommy d. on Nov 11, 2011 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love anyone
who is a proud American and/or a Giant fan…. can’t go wrong either way
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
can't go wrong either way
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 22 SF 17
Here's me in '67
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
what did I do wrong?
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
I see it
its up as your Profile Picture.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ah
Hard to see. That’s a 12 guage Shotgun, sawed off barrel with 10 ought buckshot. Never used on a person but it made a mess of a village dog that was barking at a midnight patrol. You couldn’t tell it was a dog.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
damnnnn
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
He has the same
Haircut as Eli. Eli time to get a new barber.
LOL
maybe on goal line carries
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
That's what we need..a returner that doesn't wear a helmet..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
can only do it with him tho....so stone headed, he dun need one.
Got a face like granite too.
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 11, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that head made a grest paperweight
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
*great
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
it almost looks photoshoped
mostly cause TC has an “almost” smile on his face
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
HA!
I knew something seemed weird. You nailed it.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
If it ain't Photoshoped, It sure does looked tampered with.
He’s definately not in that field
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Whoever returns..they need to get it at least to the twenty...
Either take a knee or be sure there is daylight..Almost every team in the league is having that problem..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Almost every team in the league is having that problem...
… Eli’s fault
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I like the Bear
I think he has been playing well, blocking well, run and pass and has caught everything thrown his way. He has played better than he has been credited for and would play him over HH.
by GiantFaninColorado on Nov 11, 2011 9:47 AM EST reply actions
spread it out and air it out
get ahead early and make alex smith pass the ball to get Gore out of the game as much as possible. Tuck, JPP, Osi – mount up. Hey Canty – we need that effort EVERY week!
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Earth Shattering.
Pat: I’m still not 100 percent comfortable when I see Kiwi in coverage and I believe he would be even more effective as a defensive end. However, he has played very, very well the last few weeks as a linebacker, no question.
Wow, That’s the best answer to that question?? The most PC answer possible, and the answer that 99% of the unpaid readers of this blog would say. Man, sign me up for a job at football insiders.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 11, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions
lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 11, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
yea...
everyone knows Kiwi’s a better DE. I’m sure the Giants even know that. But the thing is he’s a pretty good LB too and its seemed that in the past when he’s been healthy for a long stretch, he’s gotten better each week at it.
I think it goes without saying that if the Giants ran a 3-4, Kiwi might have been the next Carl Banks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Nov 11, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Kiwi is just a versatile athlete.
He keeps getting better at LB, and if they stick with him there, I tihnk next season you’ll see him maybe loose a little weight to get quicker, and he’ll be even better at being able to cover. AS it stands now, he’s a good LB, and has the chance to be an even better one with time at the position.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 11, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but is he a "LB" right now?
or is he being used in a role that is utilizing both aspects of a DE slash LB slash Joker?
that’s where i’ll make the arguement that he is being used now more effectively than if he was just an every down DE.
TeamJPP
As long as we get him on the field I'm happy...This week's focus?
Stuff Gore..Make Smith throw..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
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