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'Friday Five' With Pat Traina, Let's Go Running Edition

It is Friday morning, and that means time for our weekly 'Friday Five' segment with Pat Traina of Inside Football. This week's topics include the health of Justin Tuck, the Giants' struggles with both run defense and running the ball themselves, and the play of linebacker Mathias Kiwanuka.

Be sure to stop by Inside Football to read my answers to Pat's questions.

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Ed: It feels like the Giants are hiding -- or at least not talking about -- the severity of whatever the issue is with Justin Tuck's neck. Is it possible we will not see Tuck for a while? If so, give me your thoughts on how much that hurts the defense.

Pat: I think they're erring on the side of caution, which they should given the extent of the injury, and hoping for the best. I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned -- even when Tuck had his shoulder problem I never saw him quite like this before. Tuck is their best and most complete defensive player, so if he's not in the lineup, you definitely miss something. I'd personally rather he be shut down for a few weeks to get himself right and be available for when the Giants have to face Green Bays, Patriots, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, etc.

Ed: Let's talk about the poor run defense the past couple of weeks. In your mind is that mostly a function of committing so much effort to stopping the big pass play because of the quality of receivers the Giants faced, or are there some serious issues or breakdowns that need to be addressed?

Pat: Interestingly, I just did an analysis on this topic and while I initially thought it was the personnel, I think there have been other fundamental issues such as gap control and guys overrunning their men. Deon Grant made an excellent point - he and Kenny Phillips, who are part of the Big Safety package, are built like linebackers so they should be able to handle the run (and they did so last year, as I recall). I think it's been many little correctable things, and I know that it's been a priority for them in practice this week, so we'll see how they do.

Ed: Any idea how the Giants plan to use Justin Tryon? From what I have been able to gather he seems like a pretty decent player who was caught in the middle of a bad organizational situation in Indianapolis.

Pat: I think you're going to see him more against the slot receiver and on special teams. Interestingly, during his media session on Wednesday, everyone was fussing about how quickly he could learn the Giants defense. That's the wrong question to ask. The right thing to ask is how quickly did he think he could learn the assignments for this week, and he told me that while he was confident of being able to absorb any package he'd be given, the biggest thing for him - and any player for that matter - is learning the language and the hand signals.

Ed  The Giants, obviously, have not run the ball as well as they expect to. What are your thoughts on why they are struggling so much to open some holes?

Pat: I think a lot of it starts up front. I was talking with one of the offensive linemen about this, and he admitted there are still verbal and nonverbal communication issues that are happening. Now normally when you have something like this happen, your fullback should be able to clean things up. Problem is you have a rookie in there who while very promising, is still trying to wrap his hands around what he has to do before he can worry about what other guys are supposed to do. So I think that's a part of the problem as well. Finally, while I see promise from Jake Ballard at tight end, I'm not ready to jump up and down over his blocking - I think it was telling that they used Stacy Andrews as a blocking tight end on a handful of running plays last week

Ed  Let's spotlight Mathias Kiwanuka this week. To my eyes, he has done OK this year but hasn't done anything special -- either as a linebacker or when he is lined up as a defensive end rushing the passer. How do you feel about what you have seen from Kiwanuka thus far?

Pat: Personally I think his talents are being wasted at linebacker. He's not good in space - never really has been. He's much better with his hand in the dirt, yet I think because of the injury situation, they have no choice but to play his at linebacker. But I can pretty much guarantee you that won't be the case next year.

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Why not have Kiwi at DE while Tuck is hurt...

And use Paysinger and/or Herzlich at LB?

I agree that Tuck should rest thru bye week, if that helps.

by scarlet knight on Oct 7, 2011 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Kiwi

Well, who plays the strong side LB if Kiwi moves to DE? Plus, is it fair to the guy to change his position on a week-to-week basis? No, it’s not. The whole idea w/him at LB is to get him on the field more often. Pat’s probably right that it isn’t his best position, but it is the best way to get him snaps right now.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 7, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Kiwi's been that bad at LB

And it might not be his best position, but he may be the best choice on the team right now.

I love the Herzlich story, but whenever I see him in game, he looks slow, I dont think he’s an option just yet as a starter. This is where losing Goff and Sintim hurts. It took away a lot of flexibility.

Interesting that none of your questions had to do with the Hawks

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 7, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Questions

There were other things on my mind besides the Seahawks.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 7, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a criticism

Sometimes what we omit speaks to things as much as what we talk about

I think it’s apt. Kolb has shown more at QB than TJAX and, AZ looked better than their record. If they mature and figure out how to close out games, they’ll be a tough opponent. Seattle has some players, but right now they look more like pieces than a team.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't matter

Pat doesn’t like to offer her Prognosticator skills. She prefers to stick to facts.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing Herzlich isn't.......

is slow. He’s quick and he hits hard. Sintim wasn’t a lose at all and I believe before the season is out Goff’s lose will prove not to be a big issue as Jones gets better each week. Was never high on Goff to begin with.

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Oct 7, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Herzlich has a titanium rod in his leg

I love the kid, but he doesn’t have his step back just yet

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Oct 7, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Herzlich IS most definitely slow

he was fast before the cancer, but he was an UFDA cuz he’s slow.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 7, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sintim was a lose

if not just from a depth perspective.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goff

was rated best MLB vs the run last season. He went about his business very quietly.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

When have you seen Herzlich on the defence?

Has he gotten snaps during the regular season? I haven’t seen him on the field, but maybe I just missed him.

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Oct 7, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

On D only in the....

Pre-season. He’s in on Special Teams and gets down the field……He’ll get his shot at some point.

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Oct 7, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Herzlich

did good things in the pre-season. I was hoping that we’d see him (and Paysinger) on the field for the D during the regular season.

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Oct 7, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi just looks wrong at LB.

See the Beanie Wells goal line TD run last week. Kiwi had the edge. Rushed too far upfield and didn’t have the agility to gut his angle off. Beanie Wells slipped inside of him easily. A real LB would have had the agility to change his angle and at least have gotten an arm on Beanie. Kiwi is just too long and heavy to make the necessary direction and angle changes that a LB needs to be able to make. Their just a step down from Running Backs really, or should be, in that regard.

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Oct 7, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

I thought I was the only one who noticed it…Kiwi failed miserably on that one play… on a couple more run plays as a matter of fact.

by Bavaro 89 on Oct 7, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think EVERYONE saw that

Kiwi has a DE’s mentality and play style.

To quote the Indian doctor from 2 And A Half Men: “You can put a goat in a tuxedo… but its still a goat”

by Raptor22 on Oct 7, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well the comentary talked about it and replayed the highlight to show it

so I’m guessing a few people noticed it

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 7, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Kiwi still might be the best choice out there

I’m doubting that the guys on the bench are going to do any better. Greg Jones had us all excited, and I love his upside, but for this year, Goff was playing at a much higher level. And Sintim was doing fine in camp.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 7, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

even a DE

in that situation can’t take that angle.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's one play

how about the others?

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Oct 7, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deal Osi, put Kiwi back and end and play the kids at LB

We are middle of the pack team that has worked hard, maybe overachieved to beat some crappy teams to this point.

Help our team and get something for Osi while we can and put Kiwi – a player who WANTS to play for the Giants – back where he belongs. He’s younger, talented and does not bring the circus to town.

by dubsrub on Oct 7, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Osi isn't going anywhere this year

Whether you like it or not

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Oct 7, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this called beating a dead horse

We all do it, and the horse never runs any faster

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 7, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

we are 3-1

and ur already giving up on the season? SMH

Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!

by 1giantlion on Oct 7, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Briggs

not that I’m advocating dealing Osi, but a deal for Lance Briggs straight up would certainly help both teams in my opinion. They have someone to play the opposite side from Peppers and improve there pass rush and we get that big time OLB we’ve been looking for. I know it’s not Madden, but just a thought.

by JPP90 on Oct 8, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herzlich

Has only played special teams .. and does not have a tackle yet in four games.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 7, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you and Pat stop your player interviews?

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 7, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the sense

is the best way to get him snaps right now

if he’s not that good. Sit Tuck while he’s hurt. Split DE reps between Osi, Kiwi and JPP. Kiwi 2/3 at DE is better than Kiwi 90% at LB.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi's best position.....

is DE. Would be the right thing to do by moving him back to DE. No telling when Tuck will be back. Herzlich and Paysinger are natural LB’s. Let the kids play.

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Oct 7, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

great is a little much

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 7, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said "good to great"

I think most of us would agree he’d be, at minimum, a solid starter at DE, if ever given full time duty. But, he’s occasionally flashed greatness. Usually right before getting injured for the year.

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Oct 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha, ok

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 7, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

good to very good DE

A mediocre LB is fair

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi

When I’ve pointed out Kiwi’s short comings at LB, people jump down my throat. Glad Pat sees things the same way.

Agree with scarlet knight, let’s try Paysinger and Herzlich, put Kiwi back at DE. It’s worth experimenting at least this week. We’re only playing Seattle.

by TheGifford on Oct 7, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

You are forgetting...

1) Linebackers are no longer important for our defense

2) Kiwi is a great athlete, he can play any position, it doesn’t matter if he never played it before. Reese and the Giants can turn any player into anything. They will probably make him a TE in the coming weeks.

Get used to it, thats the way it is on this board. Most of this board had David Diehl annointed as some kind of Pro Bowl Guard after he got kicked out of his tackle spot. He will probably grade out at -100 on PFF by the end of the year.

Luckily some people like Traina don’t have blinders on.

by dubsrub on Oct 7, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Opinions

Everyone is entitled to have one, dubs. You are entitled to yours, too. Let’s have a little tolerance.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

disagree

1) Linebackers are no longer important for our defense

can’t disagree more. LB are important in run support and more so against RBs and TEs in the passing game.

2) Kiwi is a great athlete, he can play any position, it doesn’t matter if he never played it before.

At this level they’re all great athletes. That doesn’t mean a great athlete can excel at all positions.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi was the best player on defense last year when he was playing, and he played LB

so there’s that.

And for ^, no one is saying Dave Diehl is anything other then a POS…but lets make something up and believe it, then tell everyone they have blinders on.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 7, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was not playing SAM on every play last year

 in fact he rarley played LB. He roated at end and in Passing situations played “Joker” LB in which he rushed from the LB spot rather than from the line usually right up the middle while Boley and Grant played the other LB spots as Goff was off the field. So his success at “LB” last year was more of as a rusher not as a traditional 4-3 OLB which he’s being asked to do this year.

by Landeta on Oct 7, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's doing nothing different this season.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi didn't really play LB last year

He had beaten Osi out for the DE spot the year before and was really playing more DE till he got hurt, and Osi took his spot back

by Late for Dinner on Oct 7, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi got most of his sacks

standing up iirc

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Oct 7, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you do

and not for nothing, but he plays on the line this year too….and as a DE not a rushing LB

it’s not like Fewell doesn’t ask him to do that…he does.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Oct 7, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he plays all over

I definitely don’t agree with all of Fewell’s schemes (not as much as you, but still), put personally I think he’s handling Kiwi perfectly

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Oct 7, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rorsch

You are lost in your own world….

by dubsrub on Oct 7, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

even a broken clock is right twice a day

this is one of those times

Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 7, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

he played 3 games

3 games does not make a season. He had 4 sacks. All 4 sacks were not at LB. He also had his hand in the dirt.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK

I recall some of them coming up the middle on a blitz.. never in the dirt .

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..

by Troy O on Oct 7, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was playing no different then he was this year

how the hell are you gonna complain about him playing LB this year but then praise him for last year?

Its the same dude. He got 4 sacks doing what he’s doing now.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

and I said "when he was playing"

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also think

Patricia is hinting "The Osi’ won’t be here next year, without saying so!

"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin

by Great Gatsby on Oct 7, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You read the same thing into her comment...

that I did. Osi and the Giants are both hoping he does well from here to the end of the season, the first so he might get to redo a contract, the second to see if he can get his trade value up. Of course what happens to Tuck and any other future changes to the status quo may change the plans.

by Cranky50 on Oct 7, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also predict

Jacobs will be a goner too, 2 knee surgeries, now a sprained MCL, 29 years old, goes down much easier than he use too. I know about YPC last season, but moving forward…

"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin

by Great Gatsby on Oct 7, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd think Jacobs has a better chance of sticking around....

but your points, and what he’ll cost on the roster next year are all things to be considered. In his case I think the remainder of the season, given no changes to the status quo (which is asking A LOT the way injuries seem to follow the Giants around), will determine what role he has in the future. Osi I think has overplayed his hand enough that they’ll actively be trying to find a new home for him.

by Cranky50 on Oct 7, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

the hint is also towards the young Giants LBs that Kiwi would have to be moved back to DE

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

"absorb any package he'd be given"

Too easy

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Oct 7, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

You are very immature

I was thinking the same thing.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.

by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 7, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 7, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I brought up this subject

does he really have a choice? LOL!

"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin

by Great Gatsby on Oct 7, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh boy

I copied that for pasting and you beat me to it

he was confident of being able to absorb any package

… even Stokley’s?

Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 7, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was the swing game for the Giants last year against Seattle

little earlier in the season, but the offense got everything on track that game…but of course SS12 was hurt and then the offense took a dump thereafter.

I expect another trouncing on Sunday, but hopefully they stay healthy.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 7, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Worth it for a series or two

Kiwi is doing OK but not well as has been said. JW has shown some flashes, let’s see what he can do.

And where is Paysinger? I’d like to see him get some snaps to see what happens.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.

by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 7, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Paysinger

and JWill both are weak-side guys. Paysinger isn’t going to play when JWill is playing. When we talk about these things you always have to remember that the coaches see these guys every day. If there was a better alignment, they would be using it.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 7, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Ed...

Some guy earlier in this thread said Herzlich looks slow when he’s on the field. Has he gotten any snaps on defence during the regular season? If he has, I’ve missed it.

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Oct 7, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure thats what we saw alot of last week

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Oct 7, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

and Bomar at RB

Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 7, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The O-line play has been enigmatic this season compared to last...

We got younger and healthier along the line this season, and have seen our running game diminish and the number of sacks increase. Mind you, Eli has held onto the ball more wisely and taken the sack, but the unit to this point in the season has not been as productive as last year’s. The struggles in the running game are glaring and notable compared to lasts season.

Kareem and Seubert both had better than average years last season, but I suspect we are witnessing the decline of McKenzie this year. He is in the late stage of his career, has battle nagging injuries off an on in the recent past, and just looks slow this season. Also well documented, but we are receiving declining production out of Diehl. Beatty has been an improvement at LT and offers hope for the future, and Snee — barring recent penalties — has been his usually rock solid self.

There are pluses and minuses in comparing O-line play from last season to this. I hope it is — as some of us on BBV,, and Pat as well have pointed out — a case that the new unit just hasn’t jelled yet. I think the continuity helps to explains why several late career guys were able to play very effectively last season, simply because they had been operating as a unit for almost 5 seasons.

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 7, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

McKenzie is definitely looking slow, and Diehl seems confused on who to block a lot.

I’m wondering if they don’t move Diehl out to RT, since he seems to be better when he knows he’s just blocking the guy in front of him, and his early career success at RT seems to have been his best work. Just not sure he’s a G.

by Shofner85 on Oct 7, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whats more concering is Diehl playing so badly..

and Mitch Petrus is in street clothes inactive…..

Petrus is a good athlete who can really pull, but I think it speaks volumes that he isn’t active, they must not trust him to any degree yet.

It would be more likely that we see Boothe in there to replace Diehl than to move Diehl to yet another position. At some point, even the Giants are going to realize that Diehl can play every position only marginally.

by dubsrub on Oct 7, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am hoping to see the same thing I always am this week

but for different reasons. As always I’d like to see them try to run the ball more. The run game was bad last week, but I also don’t think they really ever tried to give it a chance either. Regardless, I think this week is one that could be used as a confidence booster, and as experience for these guys working together. I have a feeling the O-Line could really use a performance where they push people around and start feeling like they’re all on the same page.

Its not going to improve if they don’t do it, and it doesn’t seem like there is a better game on the schedule for them to really give an honest shot at the run game. I’m not holding my breath, but we’ll see.

your mom goes to college

by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 7, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see them play Paysinger at SAM

but I don’t think he quite has the size for the position. However, getting more speed/coverage ability can’t hurt.

Another thought is Aaron Curry:
e is certainly better than anything Reese would be able to get in the 6th or 7th round next year, and he would certainly provide athleticism at the position. Yes he has been a bust, but not a Maybin or Gholston type bust. He has been productive for Seattle… just not to the level of a 4th or 5th overall pick. Given a change of scenery, coach, scheme, and a much better D-line, and he could finally play up to his draft level. Also, getting him would mean the eagles DON’T get him, and that’s as good a use of a 6th or 7th rounder as any.

He is definitely a Reese-type pickup, and could be another mid-season rabbit (like Tryon)

by Raptor22 on Oct 7, 2011 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Paysinger at SAM?

U think the run D is bed now ? give that a go.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..

by Troy O on Oct 7, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats why i was responding to .....
I’d like to see them play Paysinger at SAM

but I don’t think he quite has the size for the position. However, getting more speed/coverage ability can’t hurt.

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by Troy O on Oct 7, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi not great in space THanks Pat

Thats what I saw in 07 when he played LB and his hot start last year was playing the Joker position rushing as an LB up the gut.

As Ed’s pointed out who are you going to have play SAM if Kiwi plays on the Line. Does Williams play SAM when he’s in, I know he’s a nickle specialist and is on the smaller size but he’s excellent in space.

4-3 LB is a major change for a 4-3 End. But if Tuck is shut down for the season which is looking like a looming possibility I think they’ll put Kiwi back at end.

by Landeta on Oct 7, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Not stopping the run this week.....

Could prove deadly. Seattle has Lynch and he’s due for a big game. I would think Fewell will focus more on the run D this week as Tarvaris Jackson is no threat at all. However, failing to stop Lynch could cost us the game. Be prepared Fewell. Be prepared!

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by zoosloose on Oct 7, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Lynch has never proven he can be consistant

He’s not that smart and the Giants should be able to shut him down.

Everyone remembers his one big run from the playoffs and wets themselves. He is a below average ball-carrier and has been that way his entire career. Lynch scares nobody.

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by nywins42 on Oct 7, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think

Kiwi an amazingly talented DE, we switched him to LB to get him snaps. I just feel it is wrong for the simple fact that he is just not as good at LB as DE. Yea we want him on the field, but to turn him from a guy who was on the come up much like JPP into an average LB i feel does him an injustice. He has had plenty of time at LB and just hasnt seem to get much better. Do i think there is an obvious answer this season? No, you can experiment with the young guys for a game like the seahawks, sure. But there is nothing i see that can really fix the problem. But next season they have to figure out what to do with this guy cause it drives me crazy.

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by theIke on Oct 7, 2011 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

for the record

before the injury last year, KIWI was friggin awesome at LB

by The Blood of Eli on Oct 7, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

But not as a traditional 4-3 backer which he is being asked to do this year

but rather as a “Joker” LB rushing the QB in passing situations. He was awesome at LB last year becasue he had 4 sacks in 3 games not becasue he was stuffing the run as an LB.

by Landeta on Oct 7, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

right

he was a pass rusher last year

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by nywins42 on Oct 7, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

He was leading the team in tackles when he got hurt last year. He hasn’t been bad this year with maybe the exception of a couple plays, which you could say about anybody. In addition, they don’t have an obvious better answer to the problem anyway. Its only been 4 games… give it time.

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by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 7, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

last year as a blitzing LB/Joker people were calling Kiwi our best defensive player thru 3 weeks

this year he doesnt’ get “home” as much through 4 weeks and people want him moved back to DE?!

I’ve often times questioned Fewell but i think he got this one right. Leave Kiwi at LB.

and as Ed pointed out, Kiwi has not exactly gone gangbusters when he’s played DE this season either so let’s just see what plays out.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Oct 7, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Kiwi won't be a good full time backer for the same reasons Mario Williams won't be...

guys over 6-5 270 aren’t going to be able to cover guys in space, in what has become a passing league.

Thats not going to change. The physics don’t support it.

Kiwi should be a pass rushing LB or a DE, not a full time linebacker running around in the secondary.

by dubsrub on Oct 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I think that Fewell is trying to use him as such no?

a pass rushing LB that is.

can you blitz w/ him every down? no. But if you would want an LB to blitz the QB….looking at our roster, it’s Kiwi.

also, he hasn’t really been “picked on” either. The only time i really saw him lost in space was on the INT vs. philly to SS. that was technically’s Kiwi’s assignment….he didn’t have great coverage but got bailed out by Stevie’s butterfingers. HOWEVER, aside from that play, i can’t really say that I’ve seen Kiwi getting beat or being a liability in pass coverage.

plus w/ the amount of nickel we play….he’s not being asked to do a lot vs. the pass.

I’m prepared to ride it out and see what happens.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Oct 7, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

its the idea of complaining just to complain

Kiwi doesn’t have to production this year so obviously he’s not playing LB well. When he was playing the exact same role last year in this time and he was possibly on his way to Hawaii..or Miami or wherever the hell they’re playing that thing at the end of the season…or is it before the SB now?

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

This Eric Mangini guy is really something else...

Nice to see BSPN hire a endless pit of knowledge instead of the usual mindless loudmouth diva..

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by Troy O on Oct 7, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, I find Mangini to be great

He really breaks the film down and gets you into the players heads

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 7, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Technically Herzlich is a MLB, but he really hasn't shown himself to be ready

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 7, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on Baas for Sunday Ed?

We need him badly.

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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 7, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

OK. Thanks. Hopefully he rests over the next two days and is ready to go Sunday.

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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 7, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's boothe

you can take that to the giant ass bank

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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 7, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jacobs has MCL sprain, mild. Probably won't go on Sunday.

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by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 7, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Bring out D.Scott

i think they should give him 5 carries just to see what he can do.

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by 1giantlion on Oct 7, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ed, is Pat putting your answers in a subscriber only area...

or has she just not posted them yet? I’ve checked several times, but see “Letters to the Editor” and other listings, but nothing of your five responses. Thanks.

by Cranky50 on Oct 7, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Hallelujah

I couldn’t agree more. Kiwi is being wasted at LB. He’s average at best. At DE he’s well above average. We’re wasting his talent.

It’s akin to asking a home run hitter bunt?

by GMen56-11 on Oct 7, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

double reverse to Da'Rel!

Wait it’s a DOUBLE REVERSE STATUE OF LIBERTY HOOK AND LADDER!

Boothe to Manningham to Da’Rel to Nicks to Cruz, if you’re scoring at home

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