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Getting To Know Justin Tryon

Justin Tryon (20) of the Indianapolis Colts returns an interception for positive yards on a pass intended for Dustin Keller (81) of the New York Jets during the second quarter of their 2011 AFC wild card playoff game at Lucas Oil Stadium on January 8 2011 in Indianapolis Indiana.  (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

When the New York Giants signed free-agent cornerback Justin Tryon on Tuesday, releasing veteran Brian Williams to make room for him, I did not know anything about Tryon. Now that I have been able to gather some information about the 27-year-old four-year veteran, I am wondering if Giants general manager Jerry Reese has pulled the proverbial midseason rabbit out of a hat with this move.

The more you read the more you wonder why Tryon was on the street looking for work rather in the starting lineup for the Indianapolis Colts, who released him just a week ago.

Asked about Tryon, Stampede Blue editor Brad Wells offered a strong endorsement.

"Seriously, do a search on Stampede Blue for Tryon," wrote Wells. "We've been talking about him for two weeks. Yes, he play. Yes, the Colts front office are morons for simply cutting him. Tryon himself said HC Jim Caldwell wanted to start him, but was overruled."

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I took Wells' advice and did that search. Turns out he has been writing quite a bit about Tryon lately, and ripping the Colts for not putting him on the field. Read these for yourself:

Apparently, Justin Tryon Is A 'Forgotten Man' In The Colts Defense UPDATE - Stampede Blue

Jim Caldwell Took A Beating Last Night For Awful Coaching Job - Stampede Blue

BBS Is Alive, And Ranting About This And That - Stampede Blue

Now, Tryon is gone. The Colts secondary is worse than the one that ended Sunday night last week ranked 18th in the NFL. And for those of you who suggest he was dumped because he was a 'locker room cancer,' please shut up because you don't know what you are tlaking about. Tryon's best friend on the team is Jerraud Powers, and the coaches on defense loved Tryon's effort and competitiveness. Tryon should have been starting over Jacob Lacey, and with Melvin Bullitt's shoulder going kaput (gee, didn't see that one coming), even if No. 18 were happy, healthy, and under center this year, this team isn't Super Bowl caliber.

Colts Might Start Terrence Johnson At CB Against Steelers Sunday - Stampede Blue

It's no mystery that Jacob Lacey stinks as a corner. What baffles us is how the Colts thought this guy could start in the first place when it was clear as day that Justin Tryon was better. Even more odd is the notion of starting Johnson, an undrafted player out of California, PA, over Tryon. Tyron started six games last year for the Colts, and played pretty well. Johnson was signed to the practice squad last year after the New England Patriots dumped him twice.

In case you think all of that is just the rantings of a madman, or at least a blogger who is venting his frustration at the Colts organization, Kevin Ewoldt of SB Nation's Redskins site, Hogs Haven, seconds Wells' support of Tryon.

"The guy can definitely play. When the Redskins drafted him 4th round, we had high hopes, but he rarely saw action with us and was always a bubble guy," Ewoldt wrote. "His last off-season with the Skins, before we traded him to Indy, he spent a lot of time working with Darrell Green, which naturally fans thought would get him over the hump since adding cover skills to a track star = SUCCESS!! It didn't, but he had some success in Indy his first year I recall."

Tryon is a smallish 5-foot-9, 180-pound corner whose primary asset is his speed. He also has experience returning kicks, averaging 21.4 yards on 14 returns for the Colts last season.

Asked about Tryon Wednesday, Giants head coach Tom Coughlin said simply "very quick and very competitive."

Tryon is, obviously, not an All-Pro. He seems like a guy with some ability, however, who was simply caught in the crossfire of a bad situation in Indianapolis. Let's see how quickly he can get up to speed and get on the field for the Giants.

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Yeah I was a little supicious about this Tryon guy..

But everything I read tells me he is a gamer..Sounds like a great acquisition…I just demand to see his ears..I don’t think I could handle four bugles on the team…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

That Cordle guy doesn't sound too bad either..

He should if needed, help out quickly..All he needs to know is what “Omaha!!” means…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

While watching the games

I sometimes wonder if there aren’t some other guys who need to know what “Omaha” means.

by NYGIANTSGW on Oct 5, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Omaha

It is some place in Nebraska, right?

Let's Go Giants!

by BB1156 on Oct 7, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

could match up wit the scat receivers in division

Moss and Jackson come to mind. A guy with speed who can try to run with them. Slide CWeb to the bigger receivers. Seems like he plays hard. Strange move by Indy. Losing for Luck over there in Indiana?

by Madhops on Oct 5, 2011 3:06 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Exactly

He might match up nicely against guys like Jackson. Maybe he helps at some point against the smallish quick cut type of receivers in the three and four wide sets. Worth a shot.

Go Giants!

by ronjohnson on Oct 5, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda feel sorry for Cadwell..He's taking a beating

The fans and media there are depicting him as just a puppet..like he has no brains or something..and no say on who plays and who sits..I’d walk out of that environment with my universal hand signal prominently displayed..If it is true that Manning and Irsay call all the shots, then obviously they suck…and What a crock of bullshit people saying they are losers because Manning got hurt…They’d suck just as bad..Who the hell is Peyton some kind of God??

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peyton

 He is pretty awesome when healthy, I’ll gladly give him his due.
The downside of letting someone with his forceful personality and talent taking over the whole persona of the team from the practices to game day is that this is a violent league and when they eventually need replacing it leaves a huge void that can take a year or more to replace.

Go Giants!

by ronjohnson on Oct 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Ron..

Down here in Florida Sparano has been under the scope..The audacity of Donald Ross to go courting a coach in the offseason unbeknownst to Sparano was just not right..So that failed and the guy signs him back for a year..That kind of shit is what amounts to a losing team..Sparano has all the support of the players and this owner who sells portions of the team to celebrities is just atrocious..At least this week the idiot gave a vote of confidence..That kind of ownership pressure puts an enormous amount of pressure on the players that love and respect their coach..They wind up over-playing trying to win instead of just being methodical and focussed.. That’s why I adore the Giants ownership..They don’t play that game..Leave that up to the Jones, Ross and Davis types..No matter what happens with us this year..The Giants will stick with TC..He’ll retire when he wants to.

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or they'll tell TC when it's time to transition gracefully

No way they even have a Gruden or Cowher in building

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 5, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Newest CB

Guess he deserves a TRY ON despite his size.

Marfar

by marfar on Oct 5, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol!..At least the Youth sized pads are cheaper..

Suit him up and get us that 21.7 yard return average..Man could we use that…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by Larry Soprano on Oct 5, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The wheels have come off in Indy

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by roguetrader on Oct 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep those horses need to be re-shoed

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute

I just realized that Tryon basically said the front office is telling the HC who to play. Maybe in the hopes of developing the guy with more upside? Or are they already planning on winning the Locker sweepstakes?? They have to be thinking Peyton might be done if the neck doesn’t improve, so it might make sense to dump the year and get the guy some say is the best QB prospect in a few years.

Go Giants!

by ronjohnson on Oct 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry I'm retired, Ron

No looking back..I wanted to go out on an upside…I have no plans on coming back..Plus I have a new callphone and wouldn’t want to fall to the temptation of taking pictures of my ‘uncle willy and the twins’ and sending them to Leslie Visser..Yep I’m done..You’ll need to find someone else..

Ah, what the hell am I talking about?!?

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Bobbi

Who else goes 12 for 12 in the first half? They need you in Indy!

Go Giants!

by ronjohnson on Oct 5, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Locker

is great trade bait. There will be a lot more trading because teams actually want the first overall pick this year ( you dont have to pay them as much!!!)

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 6, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expect.

we’ll see him returning kicks before we see him on defense.

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by BleedBigBlue on Oct 5, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

thats what they do with alot of guys

aka witherspoon or whatever his name was, and there goes the knee…so we never seen much of him on defense really, but im interested in tryon now…hmm

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by nyg94 on Oct 5, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for all these links!

really interesting

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 5, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Colts run a cover 2

We also happen to run a decent amount of it. Coincidence I think not…

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by wangstu13 on Oct 5, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

though all the comments play up his man coverage

and we play a lot of zone.

That might not be as big a deal for the nickel back, but still. . .

That doesn’t mean I don’t like the signing. I do, mos def.

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 5, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been noticing the CBs in more man or at least a much more aggressive zone

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 5, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO...

we saw a lot of true “zone” defense this past week in ARZ. I didn’t tape the game but I saw it a lot in the first half. and gradually…it decreased in the 2nd half, esentially to the point where it was Man to Man bump and run on that last drive for ARZ.

can i explain it? absolutely not…maybe it’s a conscious effort to confuse our DBs the QBs….

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by andiamo708 on Oct 5, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't noticed a trend by quarter but I agree we're playing closer and pressing more

in zone or man. And I think we may be mixing in more man as well, though we did run a wee bit more man last year than many people realized, I think.

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 5, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually we ran a combo coverage last week

i DVR’d the game & rewatched it monday. IT looked as if we manned up Fitz most of the day with zone on the back side.

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by 1giantlion on Oct 5, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I got nothing against the guy, but…
1) 21 yds is a not a great kick off return average. He ranked 69th last year in that dept.
2) Look at the picture. He’s returning an INT and, what?, pointing at somebody? Don’t do that while you’re on the Giants, motherf***er.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 5, 2011 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

dude

he’s probably directing a blocker, that’s a pretty heavy read-in to a picture.

by TNYFBG on Oct 5, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah 21 yards avg ain't great but it beats what we're getting

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize that ..Thanks G

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Oct 5, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow thomas is doing a lot better than i thought

do they count yards past the endzone marker? not a big deal if he runs 26 yards but only reaches the 20…

by jhMLB on Oct 6, 2011 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hope that Tyron is a gamer...

looking at the reviews on Stampede Blue he might be a keeper, only time will tell.

by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 5, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to see what happens with him.

I’m hoping he works out well enough to eventually start the last half of the year or at least turn out to be a decent nickelback so that Rolle can go back to safety full time.

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by T_Hutch on Oct 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

why would he start?

Ross seems to have gotten his head on straight, and i’d rather see a healed up Prince start before someone’s sloppy thirds.

but i do agree, groom him to be the nickel in the meantime, and let Rolle roll all around the field like he should be. i’ve seen enough of Deon Grant missing tackles to last a lifetime.

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by wilddre22 on Oct 5, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't care one way or the other

but he’s decent and as good as Ross has played the last two games, I still wouldn’t trust his hammy and when Prince comes back, he’ll have to get put in slowly and probably wouldn’t start this year anyhow. I just think if we need a spot start down the road, Tryon would be in a better position to do so. I am thrilled with new depth at corner, though.

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by T_Hutch on Oct 6, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tryon can't tackle!

“Tryon cant tackle.. Corners on this defense must play run support. This is Lacey’s advantage, Tryon cant even pretend to stop a running back. This being said you wonder why they don’t insert Tryon on 3rd and 5 or better. This i don’t understand”

I took this quote from one of the posters on big blue stampeed….hope he is wrong! Our corners need to be able to tackle in this defense.

by bigbluesd on Oct 5, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

but then someone commented back and pointed out the very low YAC for guys he covers

I don’t have the link, but I read it over there also.

So if guys have low YAC, how bad a tackler can he be?

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 5, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope you are right

I hope you’re right man. I’m just a little suspect as to why this guy was released in favor of two really bad corners. Are the Colts management really that dumb? Or is there a hidden agenda here?

by bigbluesd on Oct 5, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the talk about Polian

He’s a proven talent guy, but he’s on his 3rd team, Bills, Panthers and now Colts

George Young, Ernie Accorsi, we never wanted them to leave. So what gives? Something stinks up there.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 5, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he'll

definitely be playing some nickel and dime back in the coming weeks. Were gonna need him against the bills bcuz fitzpatrick scares me and the bills come out in a lot more spread sets now than they have in the past.

by Giants_Cover_2 on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

hopefully this is a project for Fewell

Tryon has a lot in common with Terrence McGee when he was with the Bills, who turned out to be a solid CB/return man.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 5, 2011 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Indianapolis Colts fan here. Ask me anything about Tryon.

My first post here on Big Blue View.

Firstly, I’m really happy that Justin Tryon landed with my 2nd favorite team in the Giants. And I’m happy he landed on a good team. Tryon is a great overall CB but what is impressive is his YAC allowed. Last season he tackled the receiver immediately foricng him to drop the ball or allowing a minimal YAC. Tryon was I think 4th last season in YAC allowed. Great man-to-man CB and an above average zone coverage CB. Oh and he’s a decent kick returner, but don’t expect him to punt return.

It’s disappointing that he was let go by the Colts, but our GM and his son are about as dumb as Josh McDaniels. Great pickup by the Giants.

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by KBUnitz on Oct 5, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

y was he released

or whats ur opinion on it?

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by 1giantlion on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Polians

Bill Polian, our V-Chairman and Chris Polian our VP/GM had personal issues with Justin Tryon or so it seems. When the media asked our defensive co-ordinator Larry Coyer why Tryon wasn’t playing, Coyer told the media “Ask the head coach about that one”. But no one ever asked Jim Caldwell. When Tryon was released, he sent 2 tweets something like this “Caldwell wanted to start me but it wasn’t up to him” and “lay off Caldwell he’s a great coach”

So now it’s true that Colts fans know Caldwell is just a puppet for the Polians. It was a personal issue with our retarded front office.

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by KBUnitz on Oct 5, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i read the tweets

but what kind of issues? i heard “Locker room cancer” quote too. But did he do anything specific that hit the news?

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by 1giantlion on Oct 6, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

No one heard about anything. No news about bad behavior. No DUIs or anything.

He was best friends with our opposite CB Jerraud Powers and former CB Kelvin Hayden. It’s believed that most people liked Tryon cause he’s a hard working ass busting individual, but apparently he’s some cancer. For the longest time, everyone at Stampede Blue thought he was in Caldwell’s dog house. But no, Polians are just stupid.

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by KBUnitz on Oct 6, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok?

i guess. Its odd that a decent player would get released from a team thats struggling. & why did noone else tried picking him up? I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. like its a practical joke on the Giants. Maybe guys pop out of a van & catch us on candid camera or something.

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by 1giantlion on Oct 6, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to his combine numbers he ran a 40 time of 4.42, for comparison Aaron Ross ran a 4.44. What is most impressive about his numbers is that Tryon bench pressed 225lbs 21 times at his combine event! That is crazy impressive when you consider that he is only 5’9 and 190lbs. In his second year at ASU he won the team’s most improved defensive player award totaling 56 tackles, 3 int, 16 PD, and 1 FF.

Needless to say, I’m really impressed with what I read about him. He is fast, strong, and a great tackler for his size. The only thing standing in this dude’s way is the playbook which isn’t the hardest thing to learn for a CB. See receiver, cover receiver. Obviously, it will take some time for him to learn our zone packages. Reese really made a smart move here I must say, although it’s still not enough to make up for some of the dumb decisions he made in the off-season.

Hopefully, Tryon does well enough that we don’t need to rush Prince back. I’m actually in favor of maybe even shutting Prince down for the season. Everyone said he would be back in 8 weeks and here we are at 9 weeks and he isn’t even close. I mean, if he isn’t even close now like Coughlin said then there is no way he is going to be ready for the Miami game after the bye week. Prince is going to have a long and successful career for Big Blue and within two years will be one of the top ten corners in the league. There is absolutely no reason for us to rush him back.

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by TheRza82 on Oct 6, 2011 3:20 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I forgot to add this:

In Tryon’s 2007 season the receivers he covered caught just 33 of 106 passes (31.13%) targeted in his area, good for 396 yards (12.0 yard average per pass completion/3.74 yards per pass attempt) and two touchdowns.

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by TheRza82 on Oct 6, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year

After reviewing last years Colts games. Tryon appeared to have a good sense of the ball, he’s has good speed, should help at CB and ST.

by Olddiehard on Oct 6, 2011 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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