'Kudos & Wet Willies': Rule 7.2.1(e) Edition
by Ed Valentine on Oct 3, 2011 10:37 AM EDT
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Sunday's 31-27 come-from-behind victory by the New York Giants over the Arizona Cardinals is one of those unforgettable games that -- should the Giants make the playoffs this season -- you will look back on and understand how important the Giants' gritty fourth-quarter comeback was.
Let's get right to the 'Kudos & Wet Willies,' which will be followed by some other thoughts on Sunday's performance.
Kudos to ...
Rule 7.2.1(e) -- I have looked at the Victor Cruz play a number of times now, and I think the rule was applied properly. Cruz does appear to go down on his own after catching a pass from Eli Manning, and he definitely simply puts the ball on the ground and attempts to get up and go back to the huddle. Proper application of the rule does not mean Cruz did not suffer a serious brain cramp here -- he should have waited to be touched or waited to hear the whistle before attempting to get up at all. It just means that, in retrospect, I think the call was correct.
Hakeem Nicks -- The biggest complement I can pay Nicks is that he is a man. A physical, strong, imposing, athletic man who can make catches no matter what defensive backs try to do with him. The Cardinals, particularly cornerback Patrick Peterson, tried to play rough with Nicks on Sunday. They beat him up at the line of scrimmage and hit him hard when he had the ball. Yet, Nicks came up with 10 catches for 162 yards, including the game-winner when he simply ignored Peterson's attempt to get physical and blew right past the rookie.
Eli Manning -- The Giants' quarterback was good for the first three quarters, and absolutely brilliant in the final quarter. He was seven-for-eight for 126 yards and two TDs on the final two drives and 27-for-40 for for 321 yards overall.
Osi Umenyiora -- Osi was Osi in his return to action, with a patented strip/sack of Kevin Kolb and then a big fourth-quarter sack as well. His run defense, as always, was suspect but Umenyiora turned in a game-changing play -- which is what he gets paid for.
Victor Cruz -- Cruz and the Giants caught a break with the ruling that he had given himself up, and since there was no harm to the Giants I can't hold that against him here. Besides, Cruz admitted on Twitter Sunday night that he had gotten scolded for the play by his mother. Nothing we can say here is worse than getting scolded by mom, so we'll let that go.
Cruz caught six passes for 98 yards, working both in the slot and outside. If Mario Manningham (one catch, 10 yards) doesn't step it up soon he might find himself working as the Giants' No. 3 receiver. Sunday showed that Cruz's effort against Philadelphia was not a fluke, and also that there is an increasing comfort level between Cruz and Manning.
Giants' Secondary -- Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald caught eight balls for 102 yards. Big deal. He made one great play, taking an interception away from a perfectly-positioned Deon Grant. That's why Fitzgerald might be the best receiver in the game. 'Kudos' to the entire secondary, though, for keeping Fitzgerald in front of them all day and keeping him out of the end zone. Let's highlight some individuals:
- Antrel Rolle -- Tremendous in his return to Arizona. A brilliant interception on a ball down the sideline for Fitzgerald. Rolle was playing center field on this play, where I would love to see him more often, and made a great break on the ball. Maybe overlooked was a tremendous play on third-and-four with the Giants trailing, 27-24, in the final minutes. Rolle stepped around Early Doucet on a slant that would have given Arizona a first down, batting the pass away and giving the ball back to the Giants. We know what they did with it. Rolle had two passes defensed and six tackles.
- Corey Webster -- 'Kudos' simply for the final play, correctly diagnosing the slant to Fitzgerald on fourth-and-two and breaking up the play, effectively ending the game. Webster gave up some completions to Fitzgerald, but kept him under control the entire game. Webster ended up with two passes defensed.
Will Beatty -- When I re-watched the game Monday morning I spent a lot of time watching the line play. I can't recall watching the young left tackle miss a block or get beaten off the edge in pass protection the entire game. Plus, on a couple of occasions when the Giants had to have a yard in the running game they chose to go behind Beatty. That tells you what Kevin Gilbride and the coaching staff think of the job he's doing.
Dave Tollefson -- Two sacks for the hard-working veteran. By the way, stay out of Tolly's way when he celebrates a sack with that crazy, spinning celebration. Get too close, somebody is going to get kicked in a very bad spot.
Jake Ballard -- Kevin who? Nice numbers for Ballard, three catches for 33 yards and one touchdown. It was how he got those numbers, though, that was impressive. A brilliant, athletic, twisting and tap-dancing touchdown catch for the 270-pounder. Good work on the throwback from Manning that nearly resulted in a touchdown. A nice play downfield working to get open when Manning was searching for a receiver. On top of which, as far as I can tell he is continuing to do a fine job as blocker.
Stacy Andrews -- Absolutely phenomenal work on Bradshaw's 13-yard touchdown run. Andrews, as a second tight end, caved in the entire right side of the Arizona defense. He got his initial block, kept driving upfield and ended up wiping out three Cardinals' defenders.
Wet Willies To ...
Kareem McKenzie -- A season ago McKenzie was probably the best lineman the Giants had. This season, he's been their worst and his struggles continued on Sunday. For the second time this season McKenzie missed a cut block on a bubble screen to his side, resulting in the guy he was supposed to block being able to bat the ball down. At least this time it did not go for a Pick Six. Also, how does a guy in his 11th year in the league get a penalty for lining up incorrectly? Again, I believe that is twice this season.
Chris Snee -- Three penalties for the Pro Bowl guard? C'mon Chris, you are better than that!
Brandon Jacobs -- Nine carries for just 18 yards, and a huge mistake on a missed blocking assignment that led to an Eli Manning fumble. Hey Brandon, you can't just run right by a 300-pound guy who is two steps from killing your quarterback!
Mario Manningham -- Just one catch, and a couple of instances where you could see that he wasn't where Manning thought he was going to be.
Final Thoughts
Here are a few thoughts that really did not fit into the 'Kudos & Wet Willies,' but that I wanted to mention.
- You have to be concerned about the Giants' running game. They averaged just 2.2 yards per attempt Sunday, putting pretty much the entire load on the shoulders of Eli Manning. That has to change.
- Aaron Ross was impressive returning punts. A 13-yard return and an 18-yard return. Ross has been secure with the football, and impressively gets himself squared and headed upfield quickly. I hope rookie Jerrel Jernigan is watching and learning.
- Linval Joseph had only one tackle, but the second-year player from East Carolina sure did seem to spend a lot of time in the backfield chasing Kevin Kolb.
- Osi Umenyiora's run defense has always been an issue, and as great as it is to have him back that reared its head again Sunday. Beanie Wells ran for 138 yards and it seemed that whenever the Cardinals went to Umenyiora's side they found running room. Umenyiora was not the only issue -- there were plenty of noticeable poor angles and mistakes by other Giants -- but Perry Fewell has to find a way to neutralize the run when teams try to attack Umenyiora's side.
- The Giants lose their first two fumbles of the season Sunday. They surrendered 10 points on turnovers. The Giants got two turnovers, but could not turn either into points. I am not blaming either Ahmad Bradshaw or Manning on their fumbles. Bradshaw simply got blasted and the ball came out. Manning was clearing tucking the ball away and trying to curl up to prevent a fumble when the ball simply got knocked out. Proper blocking, that doesn't happen.
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Should the giants make the playoffs?
They are going all the way! Book it.
Yowch
You’re killin me Smalls
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
So 2-14 to "going all the way"
stop making predictions.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 3, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great game.
Gotta get to work, but I’m proud of how this team has started.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 3, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
Comment of Linval Joseph...
I feel you can put JPP in the same category. He put some good pressure but could not finish. I would have him start opposite Tuck when he returns and then put Osi in on QB blitz packages.
Also, Kwillie on Kiwi. How can you whiff that bad on the TD run by Wells?
Shirt grabbing again
Joseph lost a sack on another jersey grab as he broke through the line. There were two right in a row in the 3rd quarter, one was on the play Kolb intentionally grounded the ball.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
There was another
where the O-lineman had his arm around Joseph’s neck as he was beating him. Not sure what holding is in the NFL now other than a dice-roll or a magic 8 ball shake.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I'm getting really sick of all the missed holding calls so far this season.
Some have been blatantly obvious and the zebras just flat out miss em.
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AGREE with everything especially ballard,Deon Grant may have had to get a wet willie,seasonded veteran has to make that inteception or a least knock it down.
its against L. Fitz...
That is like not blocking a dunk by micheal jordan… Its not gonna happen 9 times out of 10..
That is more a testament to L. Fitz than it is an indictment of our secondary.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Disagree on Grant
That is Larry Fitzgerald. He takes that ball away from everybody. There is nobody in the game better than that guy.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 3, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
But not from Antrel Rolle :)
Why I’m dying to see him as a full time safety
They re just scratching the surface of his game
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
i just wish he could get one pick with some open field
that’s one of his strengths.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Fitz wasn't in position to take it from Rolle
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 3, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause Rolle has the ability to close and make the play
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
+1
I think him and Andre Johnson best Wrs in the league hands down. Best mix of strength, speed, hands and route running. I live in Arizona and he is consistently the only thing exciting about the cards! Gotta tell you guys too, great giants following in Phoenix! Lots of blue in the crowd in case you guys didn’t notice
by Phillip P on Oct 3, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Have to add in Megatron and Wes Welker as well in the conversation.
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
no doubt
Team Greg Jones
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Very soon.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 3, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Megatron as an absolute terror
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Kudos for getting deep to be in the play
Sometimes it’s just bad luck
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Grant probably should have thought It's Fitz
I’m just breakin this up
But I’m totally nit picking
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
the ball hit the ground on the way down anyway
it really was an incomplete pass.
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Was pretty close
Nice of Fox to hold the replays until it was too late. This incidentally is my big prob with replay. You are dependent on the networks and they frankly don’t care.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
come on man
you gotta give credit to LFitz. He simply overpowered Grant. The opposing team is allowed to make plays too.
So
if Grant decides to bat the ball away instead of maling the interception, is that a better play?
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Run Offense and Defense
Both were terrible yesterday. I think the Offense problem was the line’s inability to block. We are currently one of the worst run offenses in the league and that does not sit well for me as a Giants fan.
Everyone seems to be putting all of the blame on Osi for the run D, but he was in for less than half of the plays yesterday and the ran on us all game. Just like the Eagles did last week when he did not play at all. Our LBs and DTs have done nothing to stop the run in the last two games.
Pretty much everything else I was very happy with though! Eli was fantastic, as were Nicks and Cruz (short of a potentially game changing idiot play). Pass rush looked good. Secondary shut down everyone not a perennial All Pro. TE finally got involved in the offense. Overall, gotta love most of the performances, and a win is a win!
Wet Willie
It has to improve on both sides of the ball!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 3, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
against the eagles we had the nickle D in because of Vick
not to dificult to run on that;. The cards clearly exploted osis side all game long ..,. it is a consern but if the line gets healthy and looks like this TUCK ANVIL CANTY JPP again things should get better.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Good teams
Are the ones who play with confidence. They’re the ones who pull it out in the fouth cause they believe they can and the other tea knows it too. Giants football is never pretty, but October has always been Eli’s month. The true test for this team is how they keep it going down the stretch…Good win
Team Juggernaut: Jacobs, Hynoski. No one is safe
P.F.
is drving me mad… I had visions of Tim Lewis…
I sent my dad this text (he was travelling, and unable to see the game)
“Up by 4, 2 min to go.. ball on the cardinal 30… We go prevent… we know how this ends…”
he replied “shit”
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
the sad thing is that's his response to teams with a great WR
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up by 4 2 minutes left
don’t get beat deep…gotta keep the plays in bounds and in front of you. We did bring some pressure on that final drive.
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Nicks
I like it when the Giants play teams that are a little less familiar with them. They tend to not realize how good Nicks is, and don’t do as much to take him away from Eli.
If the big dummy Cruz and the Tight Ends continue to show improvement, this team can get back to the spot they were at in 2008, where the double coverage on the even bigger dummy Plaxico opened up all of the other options, making the Giants a very difficult team to deal with.
On running
I’m actually going to give credit for The Cardinal’s running game to… The Cardinals. They blocked well, and Beanie Wells ran tough as nails. He was running well before his hamstring injury, and he ran well after.
Did Osi make it easier? Probably, but sometimes other teams play well.
On the offense, the running game should pick up soon. The line needs time to gel. Remember, Baas didn’t even have a full training camp with the team, and KaBoothe isn’t much of a run blocker (at least at C… remember the Redskins game week 17 last year?). They will get it together by the time they play Miami.
If Snee is not playing well
The run will suffer. I’m not going to get on Snee. He’s had one bad game in years. The line is just going to continue to improve, along with the Hynocerous.
Team Juggernaut: Jacobs, Hynoski. No one is safe
That one hold was
Bulls**t! He touched him a for second and pulled off and they flagged him. And Hynoski b4 that was a s**t call also.
i thought Snee was definitely holding on that one
The previous play was a bullshit call imo too. Especially when our Dline is getting held all game.
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On Beanie Wells and our defensive game plan
Agree with everybody that it was alarming to see a team I had felt was stout against the run get just about gashed yesterday. But it occurs to me that with a decent QB, Larry Fitz, and their other threats, the Giants may have resigned themselves to giving up a 100+ rushing day in order to prevent big-play touchdowns. I’m not sayin … I’m just sayin.
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You could possibly be 100% correct
For every action… there is an equal and opposite reaction…
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
ala Indy game from last year?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Oct 3, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what I was thinking
same general mentality, different results.
Of course, it fails to account for why they couldn’t stiffen up on the running TDs.
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 3, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
well, one was a HORRIFIC angle by Kiwi
That SHOULD have been stopped in the backfield…
their best run stopping weapon is Antrel Rolle
and he was setting up deep in the secondary. So while I doubt they wanted to give up 100+ yards, that was gonna happen with Rolle playing back there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Agreed
I thought the same thing. Usually Rolle and Grant are making a lot of plays in the box on running downs and I saw little of that yesterday. Both guys were deep all game it seemed, not as active down low. They probbly kept those guys deep to take away the big plays by Fitz.
In the NFL today
its much better to defend the pass than the run. First two game we shut down the run but not the pass and lost one of the games and kept the awful Rams in the game until late. Second two games, we give up a lot of running yards, but win the game. I hope the trend is a recognition on Fewell’s part that if you can’t stop them both — it’s better to slow down the passing game.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Oct 3, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
this is what I was saying last week
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Kiwanuka continued his solid play
yesterday, while Kenny Phillips didn’t seem to be doing much of anything.
That's because our safeties did not allow throws down the field
There job is to not be involved in the play.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Was just typing the same thing
Just because we dont hear someone’s name called doesnt meant they are not doing anything…
Heck, JPP held down the Left side and did a damn good job… so good, they just stopped running to his side…
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Double coverage on every throw 20+ yards
And every other team will be noting that.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Kiwi did blow contain on a Beanie TD
They got to fix it as Ed said
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
typical Kiwi IMO
he played on the line a lot yesterday but i don’t think many folks saw it b/c he wasn’t doing much
TeamJPP
Also
the play that Wells got outside down the sideline. Osi crashed inside, and Web took a bad angle, think Wells speed surprised him there.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 3, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Web took a very bad angle on that play
Our gap containment was pretty poor in the run game yesterday
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I agree that not having a name called
doesn’t mean a poor performance. What I am talking about is that he was drafted to be a big-play guy, and I rarely see that from him. Hopefully, it is is because his injury is still mending, if that type of problem ever quite mends. Also, because I don’t have the ability to review deep coverage, only what the TV reveals, I can’t say that he was or wasn’t effective in keeping everything in front of him in an effective manner. That’s why I phrased it the way I did.
yeah, its tough to tell what PF is doing
last year, trying to protect him…
This year, who knows.. Maybe PF is letting him just roam a deep half, and he is so good at it the QB doesnt even look his way.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Phillips played solid, again.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Our safeties are the heroes of our defense thus far this season
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yes. The onus is even moreso on them with TT out and no depth behind CWeb and Ross.
They’ve stepped up on pass defense big time. We knew they’d be strong in run support, but wow. Never thought they’d be this good defending in the deep zone.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it was designed that way even w/ TT healthy
but the zone still bothers me.
on the first PD by Webster you see him clearly defending two WRs 1 being Fitz.
just a great read by Cweb to understand Kolb as going to the underneath WR, and a bad play by Kolb not to recognize it.
the announcers sure did and said “FItz is running free”.
that’s why i don’t like this Zone crap….you really put your Corners in a bad spot…and frankly….the safety gotta get over quicker especially when it’s FITZ
TeamJPP
Can't disagree with that assessment.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
true but. . .
you can’t defend everything on every play, especially with great playmakers out there to defend.
PF got the message loud and clear after last year: cut down on the big plays. So we should get used to bend but don’t break defense.
As long as we remain stout – as we have so far – in the red zone on D, then maybe that works out.
But on offense, we really need the run game to improve to control more clock and limit our exposure on D.
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
i understand that...
and that’s why the Safety gotta get over there and cover Fitz.
Cweb played it right….he faked like he was in man coverage and broke off and made the play on the under route.
but the fact still remains…Fitz was running free and had Kolb went to him it was an easy first for a good chunk of yards.
the Safety was late getting over.
TeamJPP
yeah, I saw that
It was a broken play on D.
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
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@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
andiamo
I don’t really like when we play zone either. But you have to mix it up on defense to keep the QB guessing.
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lots of zone yesterday
not a lot the week prior
i love confusing offenses too but i worry that we’re confusing our own players simultaneously.
like i said, Cweb actually played that play great….but whoever the Safety was blew it…and had Kolb realized this chaces are it’s a big gain.
Rodgers would have missed that….Brees either.
TeamJPP
Thought it was about 50-50
Till the last drive
But even then they pressed too. Remember D gave up 10 on short fields and took away another short field. The D more than did it’s job.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Prince
when is he supposed to make his debut?
Prince is on PUP
He is on PUP list which makes him eligible to return after 6th game.
Let's Go Giants!
hopefully we get to see Prince after the buy
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A single instance Wet Willie for Nicks
On the 3rd and 25? reception on the left sideline, the safety was the last man to beat for a TD. He should have tried to make a move rather than running out of bounds.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
he left his superman cape at home
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
That's really picky
He tried to make a move and tried to reach for the first down, but the guy made the play.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 3, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
VERY PICKY! Fans have to realize opposing players also make plays. Fans expect their player to win every battle. It just doesn’t work that way.
Same with the term execution. Execution is great but the other team is executing. A player is not going to win every battle. The great player win most of the battles.
Eli
is currently 3rd in the league in passer rating behind Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. ELIte!
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Oct 3, 2011 11:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Greg Jones
deserves a willie. Not dissing on the kid, but he played like a rookie yesterday. Beanie abused him one on one in the hole. I think a decent chunk of the run D woes go on him. Boley also didn’t have one of his stronger games. Thought Kiwi was good except for the one goal line screwup.
Linval (and JPP) had OLinemen hanging off them all day. They never had a prayer.
No Tuck
Yes he can make that much of a difference
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
agreed
his true value is under appreciated to be certain, but when one guy goes down, the others have to pick up the slack, too.
he's teams best defensive player
Also Osi’s strength is not in the run game. Our LB’s got a bit more exposed this game. They will look at the tape and get better, no doubt.
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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
the Dline let the Olinemen get to the 2nd level
JPP N TUCK are there, Jones only has to deal with the Back. Wells never beat Jones 1 on 1.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
And having Osi thrust in for a big chunk of the game
Meant big adjustments, let’s see if they can adjust
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
oh sure he did
their 2nd to last TD, Jones could have had him at the goal line. A lot of those times when Beanie looked to be shored up and got an extra 3, a lot of that was on Jones and Boley. Yeah, the DL deserves some blame too, but trust me, Jones got abused a bit.
Jones didnt get "abused" .
Jones 6-0: 248 Wells is 6-2 230 .. I Wells blast thought the line untouched and Jones is sitting on the goal line ,what do you think the result will be ? it was a 2 yrd gain just happen to be a TD.
If u cant see thats on the Dline I dont no what to tell you.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Hit the hole hard
Don’t stand and wait for the back to hit you.
dude maybe you can fined it on you tube ..
fighting through blocks he meets Wells on the GOAL LINE and is pushed back about two feet before taking Wells down . your definition of abused makes me laugh ,as if we’re use to having Urlacher in the middle or something
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
There are 4 DL and 5 OL
The mike must be able to handle a lineman making it to the second level. It’s a luxury to have a DL take two blockers not a garuntee.
"luxury"?
news flash if you dont you will suck as a team.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
If it happens every play maybe
But you aren’t going to get the DL occupying a double every play too. Your LBs need to play too.
he is moving side ways shedding 2 blocks to meet wells at full speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTU6djvsiHw
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I'm going to Wet Willie the new umpire positioning
There have been very few holding calls on pass blocking this season. It hurts us as a rush team. We are constantly getting our jerseys pulled after we break by the OL, but the umpire cannot see it.
We were also guilty of it on the Eli fumble – the replay showed someone on the left side with a big fistful of jersey.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
On purpose don't you think
Another way to open up the passing
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Given how rarely I have seen it in the past
I’m wondering myself if they are not doing it on purpose. I can think of 6-8 times I have seen it this year. I don’t think I ever saw it more than once a game in the past.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
agreed
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by Larry Soprano on Oct 3, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
another reason
why the NFL is a passing league. Offensive holding is becoming non-existent. It’s rarely called.
Good call on Snee. Forgot that he had all those penalties...can't do that, mate
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
D. Grant makes a play on that ball
and the Giants 2ndary does a great job vs. Fitz.
granted he caught some first downs….but he’s also Fitz….so, whatever.
can’t feel bad about B. Wells trucking Cweb when he was trucking G. Jones too…
Fewell imo played too conservative w/ the D this week….
thankfully Eli went Eli
TeamJPP
Gotta give Gilbride a kudo..He callled a great game..
It just took the team time too finally execute..If I can sit there and execute a twelve-pack, they ought to be able to execute the plays I’m watching while successfully executing my responsibility flawlessly..burp
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would like to see more play action out of the heavy set.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
the offense started to heat up when Eli told Cpt. Crunch that he's calling the plays
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bobbi
I always finish stronger on that 12 pack though. The first 3-4 take a little bit of time to get down. But after that I really start going and can power through, picking up steam as the game progresses. It’s not always how you start, it’s how you finish. Giggity.
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Now see...Your my kinda player...
You get a few plays under your belt then..BOOM!…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Running Game
needs a spark…..is it time to dust off DaRell Scott?
They need to open some damn holes..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Carl Banks
is blaming the tight ends for the lack of running game
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Carl Banks....I dun even know...
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Great write up
Though MM should get some credit for running his routes and drawing coverage part of what opens things up for the other guys
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Very few people ever see that
Tuck makes JPP/Osi/Boley/Jones look better…
With MM in the lineup, he makes it worlds easier for Nicks and Cruz… Teams are scared of him… as they should be… but once again, not having your named called can be a very good thing.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Tuck
Without doubt one of his true values is his outstanding run defense.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 3, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
And I'm not saying MM had a good game
But the 3 WR offense looked as good as I’ve seen in quite a while
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I agree...
the best thing that could have happened for MM is Cruz’s coming out party..
Now, people have to concentrate on Cruz over the middle and MM on the outside, all of a sudden Nicks has beat your best corner for a 30 yard TD pass…
MM needs not to be down about this game, its not about the stats, its about the Wins… MM being in this game alone helped us win.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
well, isn't he in a contract year? he wants his stats, like, a lot
and so would I, with all that money at stake
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
oh I agree.. for him its about the stats
but the giants brass always seem to know who the cornerstones are…. and pay them responsibly… I think the Giants and MM will come to a deal, everyone is happy with.. I kinda expect it to be done before the season ends…
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
that is regardless of his numbers..
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
I think if he sticks to it, he'll have some BLOW up games
The tape for Seattle shows Nicks and Cruz, watch them cover MM with the nickel and watch MM go ape on him
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
exactly my point!!
the best thing that could have happened for MM is Cruz’s coming out party….
Best be willing to take advantage of this MM!!
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
They make him better as well
Jones is okay, nothing special at mike backer but its still early still cant wait for Goff to get back.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
He's supposed to be
a weapon in the passing game…..it’s a mirage
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Except talk about how he needs to do something..yawn
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I thought he was supposed to be the saving grace of the offense
With Cruz emerging and Ballard doing a fine job it looks like he’s being squeezed out.
by day tripper on Oct 4, 2011 3:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great overall Game! & Team effort
Way to show the extra effort to come back after being down. O-line is getting scary, need to get better and quickly, the hardest part of the schedule will be here before we know it, GB, NO, NE!
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 3, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
ED
I’ve been meaning to address this about you for a while now but just kept forgetting…
“When I re-watched the game Monday morning I spent a lot of time watching the line play”
You get to re-watch the games on Monday and I’m here in the office!?!?!?!?
You my friend have a good life
I love the Giants and I'm holding down the fort up here in Alberta, Canada.
I got your backs, believe it or not, from all the Eagle and Cowgirls fans alike.
Giants, baby, Giants!
LOL!
But, this IS my office. Not complaining, but most of you get 2 days off every week. I can’t even remember the last time I took one full day off.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 3, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ed you golfing all the time
And you are always on vacation. lol
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I just hope he replaced them damn brown shoes...gezzus...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
This was an impressive unimpressive win.
We got run over all game. had several penalties, and were down by two possessions with under five minutes to play. We had no business winning this football game. However, that’s what good teams do. They win games they shouldn’t win. And thus, very impressive.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Oct 3, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Anyone notice
The wideopen receiver Eli missed? The pass he threw down the field to the right, right between two defenders and not a Giant in sight!.
Manningham cut in the middle of the field, Eli threw towards the sideline
on the Manning to Ham throws, I dunno who to blame anymore.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
In Manny's defense
There were a lot less Cards in the middle of the field, there were 3-4 on the sideline.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
yea I think that one was on Eli
that was a TD if he throws to where Ham was going
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td
easy. and i mean easy
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
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Eli missed him
Its not the 1st time he’s missed Manningham on a deep route wide open, I understand MM’s frustration.
"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady
yeah i fell out when i saw that replay
as a matter of fact on that back shoulder fade that Nicks took to the 1, The Man was open on the other side on a curl route, the defender was about 5 yards off. it was a pick your poison tho, and Eli picked the deadlier one.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Yes, that's the play
It was an option route and Ham set him up for the side line then cut upfield. I’m thinking that Eli threw it too early?
for as much as I criticize eli
he is a professional and those errors on his behalf are kept to a minimum—-manningham is having brain farts—he and eli haven’t been on the same page all season.
When in Doubt
go with the guy who scored 6 on the wonderlic
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Eli seemed more pissed at himself
so I guess the wonderlic means as little as it always has.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
again, find myself defending Eli
he isn’t going to show up a teammate on the field—he’s a better leader than that—but agreed that bringing up the wonderlic test for anything that happens ont he field is remiss
I just blame both
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
saw that too
but on replay the safety released him when Eli threw the ball towards the sidelines. He wasn’t as open as it appeared.
Anvil looks like he got fat again
maybe if he’s more in the listed 315-325 range instead of the likely 350lbs range, he makes those tackles on Klob.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
becuase we have
tolly, tuck, jpp, kiwi, osi, we didn’t draft linval to get the qb…we got him as a run stopper—this is where he needs to be better—getting off blocks and being ready to stuff the rb in his gaps—i could care less if he gets outrun by a qb
the Giants won the SB with 325lbs Fred Robbins being the most disruptive force on the line
run stopping and pass rushing. Given how athletic Joseph is, I’m pretty sure they drafted him to be Robbins 2.0, not balloon up to 350lbs.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
true
but I wouldn’t compare linval to fred—I think he got Linval as a space-eater who are going to let our athletes on the line do their thing—like canty, jpp and tuck (if they play inside) or now Austin.
Linval was drafted to be a force in the running game
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Chemistry
Eli’s best weapon is the chemistry he has with his receivers—him and nicks are just telepathic—cruz is starting to develpe this chemistry as well—you can tell that he and Manningham are not on the same page.
Saw Eli
talking to MM on the sideline trying to give him a pep talk
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Saw that too
He was definitely talking him up. Eli was showing, dare I say it, leadership.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
GASP!
That's not possible
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Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
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SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 3, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
they had it last year
if this offense is gonna be elite Eli and Ham need to get on the same page again. All respect to Cruz, he in no way can shine Manningham’s shoes.
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Commentator
mentioned the O seemed to click better when Cruz was in than when MM was in….I tend to agree
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Kenny Moose and goose?
Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer? LOL.
Ham needs to be getting the ball and they need to work this thing out. Cruz’ production is adorable, but we need our star WR to start getting his catches.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
MM
has talent, but is as trustworthy as a squirrel
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he should stick to making man caves
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Oct 3, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
But for some reason he shows at the most opportune time...
he was great at that last year…just needs to get better.
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
you're talking about Cruz, not Manningham
tho Ham needs to get on the same page…likely Cruz’s being open is the result of coverage going to Manningham.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
dude
it’s not like he’s just making catches in open spaces and falling down like steve smith did—he’s making plays—the dude has some serious talent and playmaking ability—he went unnoticed becuase he played at UMASS
I know who Cruz is
just pointing out that he’s not Manningham, as some are quick to forget how good Ham is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
this I agree with
I’m not saying lets make Cruz our #2—but I do think he will be a worthy replacement for Steve Smith—Nicks and Ham are still our two most dangerous weapons
having 3 dangerous weapons is not a bad thing
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Not at all
and some believe Barden can be a weapon too…..the more the merrier
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed it isn't
and im happy we found (i hope) our top three WR after the hodge podge we had in the beggining of the season
Cruz is very much in a MM mold though
He is very slippery after the catch
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Adorable
has been a big part of 2 wins, so I’ll take it
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
gonna take a bit more to match Manningham's totals in that.
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MM
is what the ‘great’ Francesa calls a ‘lure’……compare him to A J Burnett…..stay tuned and watch MM combust under pressure, just like A J
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
did you just quote Francesca?
are you friggin serious?
And just go load up some game logs of Manningham. See where his big games are. Dallas, Philly…catch the drift?
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Philly
wasn’t that the game he stepped out of bounds before getting the 1st down?
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
could've been
there was one where he threw the ball back in bounds for a fumble too.
Still, Ham steps up in big games. Wouldn’t compare him to AJ. If AJ was as good for the Yankees as HAM was for the Giants, they’d win 120 games the past 3 years and be on their way to a 3-peat.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Ham
is a mixed bag……there’s some really good and some not so good.
by Cruz Control on Oct 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Ham was open alot yesterday
if Eli hits him streaking up the middle with no safety help, we’d be talking about how all 3 of our wideouts had a great game yesterday.
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You mean the 'great big obese Francesa'?'
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Wow. I feel dumber for having read that.
Not only was that incoherent and utterly stupid, you took it from Francesa. Was Manningham combusting under pressure last year when Smith and Nicks were both hurt, he was our only WR, and he put up 900 yards and 9 TDs?
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Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
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Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
they definitely did
but the lockout screwed a lot of things up—and IMO Cruz is showing the skills of an extremely reliable reciever with big play ability—not the same skills as Ham, but could definitley wind up being a comparable football player
he is elusive and can make plays
I’m starting to see a little bit of MM in Cruz tbh
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Eli is a QB that thrives on trust! He has to have the confidence in you!
Cruz is getting in that circle of trust! That is why I wanted to see Plax back, BEFORE he said what he did to trash the team.
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
What about JWill??
Kid is a beast! Tied for 20th in the NFL for tackles not bad for not even starting the first couple of games!
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 3, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions
kwillies for
Bradshaw….he’s getting Eli killed…and he fumbled! I wld even give Kwillie to BJ he had no where to run but he ran hard ! Wells had a big game b/c we didn’t play or DT’s that much…oh well Sunday we complete our bird stew…Seahawk anyone ?
Silly me ..I'm just a Fan
by Mr.Williams on Oct 3, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
....we HAVE been playing a lot of birds right now.
Eagles, Cards, now Seahawks.
Seems proper considering we’re making the league eat crow.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's a...that's a.....that's a play on words right there!
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
boom
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta hope Atlanta gets it together.
I’d really like to beat them in the playoffs and then get revenge on Baltimore in the SB to make it a perfect 6-pack.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Oct 3, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
beautiful if that will happens
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
you're gonna knock AB for that fumble? Really?
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Not that one
he got crushed, won’t blame Eli either, Phone Boothe and Jacobs.
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by Great Gatsby on Oct 3, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't really fault either guy on the fumble yesterday
Bradshaw got absolutely jolted, and Eli tucked his away. Just good plays by the defense.
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For Osi? 3 hours flat.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the dude has been training
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Oct 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
He's going to go on tour
during the spring
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-John Madden
I do you one better...
Rhett Bomar an hour flat and he got pulled over on his bike went to jail and got a DUI… Too Soon???
wouldn't see why Bomar would bike it though...
you know he can teleport right?
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Beatty and the run
Good catch Ed on seeing the Giants run to his side, when they used to always run to Snee’s side.
McKenzie might be showing a little age out there. Hopefully Brewer develops this year on the quiet and can make an impact next year.
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
the short yardage run
behind Beatty wasn’t always successful. They ran behind Beatty on 3rd and short without success. It was the 3rd down after the 23 yard completion to Nicks on 2nd and 24.
the Cards had 3 guys waiting for him right there
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and were in a greater state of transition when they lost their startin C for the second half.
Kudos for them to getting things together enough to help win the game.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Oct 3, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 see what happened to the Jets last night??
Boothe did a very nice job coming back from that horrible first play..
As I keep saying, every week we keep getting better…
We are injured and young… more importantly – winning.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Apples and Oranges
that kid is a rookie for the Jets.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
its apples to apples
the Jest don’t have any depth along the line. How are you gonna be starting a UDFA who’s on the team for 3 weeks?
The Giants have Boothe who’s been here forever and eventually Koets will be back. Also Snee and Petrus can snap and probably not miss a beat.
The Jets do a terrible job of having depth.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The dangers of always trading picks to move up
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
All I am saying is
comparing Phone Boothe to a kid off the streets, not disgreeing on the depth part.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 3, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
his point was the depth chart
the Giants sustain an injury and have Kevin Boothe. The Jest have an UDFA.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yep
It works well when you’re always hitting on your picks, but it leaves plenty of holes if you don’t
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
how about dem eagles!!!
but seriously +1
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
i was so stoked at the end of the Eagles and Boys game
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what horrible first play
Boothe did a very nice job coming back from that horrible first play..
Boothe started the 2nd half. The Eli fumble came on the Giants 2nd series in the 2nd half.
Happy day
celebrate today then tomorrow get ready for the hawks back in MetLife.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 3, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
ahem, it's called Giants Stadium
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by Larry Soprano on Oct 3, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, I was being PC
just in case snoopy is on this thread
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 3, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yea 3 home games with a bye is huge
i may think of sitting Tuck 1 or 2 more games to get the neck correct.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
we need to take care of business
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our run blocking was disturbing
We got to get that fixed, what’s going on with McKenzie?
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
Can't have everyone block multiple guys
We are seeing 9 defenders in the box frequently. Either a run blitz or a pass blitz by the safeties. Until we make them pay for this, they will continue to do it.
A good example is the 2nd-and-25 catch from Nicks. There is a reason that two short defenders jumped Bradshaw. They always expect the safe choice when playing the Giants.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
I missed part of the first half
when did Baas get hurt? Is it serious?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 3, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
Neck burner
No idea how serious. I know guys that have gotten burners/stingers and have either missed no time or maybe just a couple practices. On the other hand we have Tuck who has missed 2 games because of them. I seriously have no idea what to make of this injury anymore.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Oct 3, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
KOATS!!!!!
get healthy
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Thanks
to Marv’s son who didn’t tell “us” until the 2nd series Boothe was in there, had to go online
to find out about Baas.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
it's not like Marv was watching the sideline though
they just reported to him, and he likely didn’t notice. How often do you see yourselves paying attention to your center? The cameras are usually focused on #10, #44, #88…
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It was weird
Baas played the last play of the 1st half. It didn’t appear he got hurt on the play. He wasn’t even engaged in a block. Boothe started the 2nd half. They showed Bass being worked on during the Giants 2nd series of the 2nd half.
Two thoughts
First, the WR class of 2009 was deep. It’s safe to say we have the best WR out of that class
Second, I’ll go on record I was completely wrong about Cruz. When he had a case of the drops in preseason I thought he was a one hit wonder with his 2010 preseason success. Cruz can play. He’s deceptively strong. DBs won’t be able to arm tackle Cruz.
i always saw something there with Cruz
because even tho it was preseason, you could tell his in flight ball adjustment was on point. plus the fact that he was able to go up and get the ball at it’s highest point – i said yeah he might be doing it against 2nd and 3rd stringers, but there’s something there.
if Barden is ready to go by week 7-8, and everyone else stays relatively healthy, we may finally have that dream WR corp we’ve been creaming about for so long.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
here's the Andrews block
i was just watching it this morning, glad you mentioned it Ed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQmJamhvAE
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
WOW!!
I didn’t get to see the game and that is the first time I got to see that replay. Andrews literally blocks FOUR defenders on that play! He drives his guy back into 3 other players! That was great!
yeah it's like
the Andrews bloodline put a blue uniform on and get good.
must be something in the water over there in Philthy.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
SuperNzYme
is a god among men
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Agree
with Ross. His punt return form is picture perfect. Then when he catches the ball there’s no messing around.
It definitely feels safe
Even the on the longer one yesterday, as he picked up tacklers, you could see him moving to protect the ball. Clean catches as well.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
I get scared every time he catches a punt. Not because I think he will mess up, but because I am afraid he will get injured. I don’t like having starters as returners on special teams since Sehorn.
Djack is a punt returner
Sehorn’s injury was on a kick return.
Eli Fumble
I said this in another thread, but I will resay it here.
I do not blame Jacobs for that one at all. Boothe completely wiffed on the block and it looked like Jacobs was already coming out of the backfield to the left. He probably did not even see the guy coming up the middle since he was not looking that way.
Eli was Payton yesterday.
He called 3/4 of the game on audibles. I know we give gilbride a lot of cred but that was Eli’s play calling you witnessed out there.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Hey guys, skins fan here, and I hope I won't get attacked.
Just wanted to congratulate you on a thrilling win. I honestly cannot believe the two teams that “analysts” said would be third and fourth in the division are now tied for first, while the ahem, dream team is 1-3 and the Cowboys choked away a 24 point lead. Say what you want about our teams this season, but it’s rather ironic that when we both played the Cardinals we came back to win. It seems that we are better at closing games than the Cowboys and Eagles are. Anyway, I’m rambling. I’ll tell you that while I hate your team (haha), your fans are the most civil NFC East fans who comment on our site. I can’t say the same for the Cowboys and Eagles! I thought I’d return the favor :) I’m looking forward to our week 15 matchup. Let’s hope it means as much then as it does right now!
"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan
Thanks. you guys are a straight up legit team with that defense.
Can’t wait to try and exact revenge on you guys in week 15!
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that D is damn good
quietly top 3 right now…and they get to the QB.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
why would we attack you?
you’re fanbase is the most docile of the BEast. rarely a troll in the fold. you’re welcome here anytime.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
I guess I'm a little timid based the reaction I got at BGN
I just asked a question (forgot what it was, but it wasn’t snarky at all) and they jumped all over me. The people at BTB are better, but they came and trolled on our site so I’m not very enamored of them.
"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan
BGN is like that, but they are on a 3 game streak and the Skins are in First
Skins look like they have turned the corner. Keep your eye on Grossman, he needs to up his game and not put so much pressure on. Your D. But you’ve built thru the trenches and it shows.
Hope you enjoy Don’t gaze me bro.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
DCO's fan
I would like to tell you how entertaining it was to watch the O’s ruin the RedSox’s season
Much like the Skins the O’s have had a rough time of late but that was brilliant
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Oh, you don't even know how crazy Camden Chat was going.
It was hilarious.
"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan
Amen dude
4 weeks in and the standings are the exact opposite of what the so-called experts predicted. They are jackasses. This is how life whould be: Eagles and Cowboys sucking it up in the basement.
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
In hindsight I kind of understand the predictions,
But still, sports journalists are so arrogant and are major bandwagoners. It’s nice to see them shut up.
"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan
I figured Shanny would get things turned around there
You guys are ahead of schedule, how are you liking Barry!
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry is awesome
He’s flying under the radar but you can’t even begin to tell how much of an impact he’s had on improving the 3-4. He’s a NT but he’s able to get some sacks. It’s such a relief based on what we had to deal with last year (and how sweet is it that Fat Al is underachieving in New England?) Do you miss him at all? Who do you have replacing him?
"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan
we've replaced him with veteran Canty and 2nd year space eater beast Linval Joseph
so we’re ok there. That’s not to diminish Cofield’s talent, we just could not budget for him, and we had a succession plan already in place. And it’s working. Rocky Bernard is doing a fine job with depth as well.
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Cofield was very good for the Giants
but they’ve been signing DTs and drafting them for years, so no they really don’t miss him. Not a knock on Barry, they just were well prepared for letting him go.
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Barry was one of my favorites when he was here
like you said he flies under the radar but man does he go to work and never complains. For whatever reason our GM decided he would replace Barry and drafted some DT’s and signed some too. In truth we are not missing Barry much, but I he was a fan favorite and nobody liked seeing him go.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree DCO...and you'll never get disparaged here..
It was fun watching Romo implode again and the Eagles multi-billion dollar defense, totally suck..haha!!…You guys have a solid defense..now that ‘fat Albert’ is gone…Hopefully it’ll stay the way it is..
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we only attack Eagles and Cowpork fans
and this week I’m sure we’re all Redskin fans for a week.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Well meaning people
are always allowed here.
i’ve been saying all along, if the Giants don’t win the division, i hope it’s you guys who are. Can’t wait till then either
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I would actually love for that week 15 game to have significance
I don’t really hate the Skins like I hate the Cowboys and Eagles. And if it is significant hopefully it means Dallas and Philly tanked it.
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where are all the comments about how the team #FAILED the FA season now?
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
chillin with teh comments that eli is not a franchise qb
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Well we did, our intentions were to retain people that we wanted and we didnt
But failing the FA season doesnt matter as long as people step up and we win the REGULAR season and Post season.
Kudos to the coaches.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Lots of us weren't upset in the FA season
Not saying we were happy about everything, just not as pessimistic as many.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We didn't fail FA
The Eagles did. They pulled a Jerry Jones.
Compliments to you Blue Gates for keeping a cool head in the game thread. Some other were going berserk.
Failed the FA season
Actually, this team did fail the FA season. This isn’t on Reese right now. Cruz was an undrafted guy that only ended up on the team because he played great in 1 preseason game last year. Ballard only got the TE position because nobody else stepped up. These are young men who are stepping up and playing above what they were expected to do.
However, I want to enjoy the wins rather then talk about the past right now.
Who do you think signed Cruz and Ballard?
Reese didn’t sign anyone cuz he thought those guys would step up and make big plays.
So no, the team didn’t fail in the offseason. What they had is what you’re seeing, whether you want to admit it or not.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I think Cruz was signed because the Giants had nobody else, Reese needed bodies to fill the WR position.
Reese thought he would get Boss back, Reese thought Beckum would be at least ok. Ballard was an after thought this off season behind Boss, Beckum, Pascoe, and that dude that retired. If any of those 4 had either stayed with the Giants or played decently Ballard would have been cut real fast. That is not Reese’s abilities at play right there.
Cruz was an UDFA last year
signed cuz he wanted to play somewhere.
And Reese having 4 talented TEs on the roster, and one emerging, is just blind luck that he had nothing to do with?
Excellent, glad to see the narratives haven’t changed regardless of the winning.
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Naw he failed
didnt accomplish what the plan was set out to do.
Those players were brought in because we are in the business of developing players, they had nothing to do witgh our FA plan at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Would you mind scanning and posting your copy of the Giants FA Plan
I’m just kidding, but you can’t know what you’ve posted.
It’s as simple as this, they didn’t bring back guys you thought they’d massively struggle without. So your perception is fail. But we aren’t privy to their evaluations.
They may well have said, Boss, good guy, limited upside. Hasn’t really progressed in many ways, may never progress. Let’s bring him back on a 3 year deal with low bonus, so we can cut him of he doesn’t do better. They may also have thought that in the past guys like Chandler and Ballard had similar potential and less mileage.
But you can’t presume that your FA plan was their FA plan.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I dont at all, im basing it on the contract offers they publicly said they made.
You dont make offers to people you dont want, those offers constitute their first plan.
Just because our back up plan is going along just fine doesnt mean the original plan didnt fail, as a matter of fact it means that your original plan failed.
I think you are just taking too much offense to the word “failed”, we wanted people back that we thought we wouldnt lose and we did, we failed but oh well. Our contigency plan that we were forced into is working out just fine.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
To sign Baas and to resign KB, SS12, Bradshaw, and maybe Cofield, although they werent too pressed for him seemingly.
That plan was public, it wasnt a secret, Shaw was top priority but we didnt bend over backwards for him either, we had a plan and we failed at it for the most part.
Im not saying we are a failure but our plan didnt materialize so IT was a failure. its Free agency, alot of plans fail every year in FA for most teams and sometimes our FA plans go smoothly like the year we got Canty…this one didnt go so smooth but we are fine, i think you guys think im calling Reese out or something, i dont have a problem with him at all.
The backup plan or the plan we were forced into is working out so it really doesnt matter.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I still don't see how you can say it "failed"
It’s seems clear now that the plan for Boss, Smith and Cofield was, “We will offer these guys X because that’s what we think they are worth and that’s what we have room for. We don’t have to go above X because we have more than adequate replacements. If they sign good if they don’t no problem.”
I think that if the offers were substantially higher that would prove that they “needed” them. In this case they felt they were fine if they walked so no reason to break the bank.
To me that’s knowing your whole team and making reasonable offers and having “a plan”.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
you do know the "plan" includes the fallback options as well, right?
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
so they didn't fail then....good.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
JR
has shaped this team out very nicely imo. We are loaded with talent everywhere imo. And our depth has stepped up and proven to be extremely capable of filling in.
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+100
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
In the spotlight......
Have you noticed three consecutive games the Giants are in the spotlight for some weird stuff. Against the Rams it was the supposedly fake injury to slow the Rams offense. Then we had the Vick stuff and now Cruz fumble/not a fumble being constantly talked about. Hey, I don’t care as long as we get the win.
I was thinking about that this morning.
by G-FANinFL on Oct 3, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cowboys fans really hate you guys. . .
because of all that history.
For us, as long as you;r interests don’t collide with ours, we’re fine. But there’s not a major rivalry there.
But thanks, there are those of us who try to make appearances at other NFC East sites without trolling. Plus I live and work in DC metro area, so I know you guys.
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
ugh, reply fail, meant for DCO'sfan
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
As a Giant fan
Living in MD it was quite different ten years ago, before Snyder ruined that franchise
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
I think a lot of us Giants fans
are pissed at Snyder for ruining a great franchise… He kinda blackens the NFC East.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
We got a lot of history with the skins too
Just they hit such hard times, it’s been quite awhile since the Skins and Giants played important games. I look forward to the rivalry getting hot again.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
true
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
I would actually love that
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Cards were obviously geared
to stop the run. Passing was the way to go. the rule seems to fit. He did give himself up
Goff
it’s obvious we miss Goff in run defense than we expected. Our LB play is a big reason we’re getting killed defending the run.
We got a rookie starting in the middle
So far so good, could it be better yes but that was a bad injury for us.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure yet
Goff wouldn’t have seen much of the field in the Eagle game. and with Tuck out and Osi in was a recipe for disaster for the kid . not sure how Goff or even Ray Lewis would have fared this week.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
No Boss, No SS12
And our pass game seems fine…………….
Funny how things work out
We don’t really use the Tight End a lot in the passing game so Boss was never thrown to a lot. but so far Ballard as been pretty much able to give us what Boss did in the passing game, his run blocking need to keep improviing. and Cruz might not be a route savy as Smith was, but he can gain yardage after the catch somthing SS12 could not do.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Teams will fear Cruz, SS was a thorn
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
QBR came out. Eli came in 8th this week.
I can understand Vick, Hasslebeck, Rodgers, and Brady doing better.
They have Ryan, Rivers, and Schaub also doing better than Eli which is kind of BS.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Rivers
I know most people on BBV live on the east coast, so I can forgive the lack of knowledge about Rivers. If you get the chance watch a Chargers game. Rivers is truly a legit star QB. He throws the deep ball much better then most QBs in the league right now.
Rivers also has a bunch of 6"5 WRs and TEs
Eli’s deep balls connected a bit more, or had PI called, when Plax was here.
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Chargers Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
No Player Pos Ht
86 Brown, Vincent WR 5-11
12 Crayton, Patrick WR 6-0
80 Floyd, Malcom WR 6-5
85 Gates, Antonio TE 6-4
15 Goodman, Richard KR/WR 6-0
83 Jackson, Vincent WR 6-5 230
81 McMichael, Randy TE 6-3
13 Walters, Bryan PR/WR 6-0
82 Sperry, Kory TE 6-5
Giants
85 Ballard, Jake TE 6-6
47 Beckum, Travis TE 6-3
83 Clayton, Michael WR 6-4
80 Cruz, Victor WR 6-0 204
87 Hixon, Domenik WR 6-2
12 Jernigan, Jerrel PR/KR/WR 5-8
82 Manningham, Mario WR/PR 6-0
88 Nicks, Hakeem WR 6-1
86 Pascoe, Bear TE 6-5
84 Stokley, Brandon WR 6-0
15 Thomas, Devin KR/WR 6-2
congrats.
teh only ones that matter are Gates, Floyd, Jackson and McMichael.
The Giants: Nicks, Ham, Cruz and and Ballard.
Compare, save.
teams have tall guys on the roster. They don’t always throw to them or use them exclusively. The Chargers top 3 receivers are 6"5 +. The Giants, No.
So..yea.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I agree, Rivers is a great QB..no doubt about it
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
No need to even argue that point Rivers is a star
Problem is people keep bringing back the 2004 trade and saying who won, when it’s obvious both teams did fine with the trade and neither is looking back with regret.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
I think both QBs and both teams ended up better off from that deal. Rivers has put up better numbers, but tends to go all Tony Romo in clutch situations. IMO, Rivers+NY media/pressure = Vince Young style meltdown. I also think Eli would be QB for the Saints right now (and Brees still in SD) if he hadn’t been traded here, but who knows.
What I do know is I wouldn’t trade Eli for Rivers period.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
I think he's highly over rated
Very good yes, but overrated
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Rivers is awesome. He wasn't great in this last game, though.
He is a superstar, but he’s also has those boneheaded plays once in awhile
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 3, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Rivers is an elite QB
I’ve watched enough of his games to know he is a baller. Roommate is a Chargers fan. Dude plays with energy and is cocky on the field. If he wins enough, which SD has done with him you don’t mind it. I still love Eli though. He is pretty clutch in the 4th quarter.
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Sigh
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
He is also 8th overall
And moving up.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
EXTRA EXTRA ... HOt off the Presses!
@ the WaPo
“Roger Newkirk and Chris Jenkins of TheRootDC will host an online NFC East trash talk hour Monday at 12:30 p.m. to discuss yesterday’s action in the NFC East. They will be joined by guest host and Eagles fan Jimmy Kempski, of the NFC East blog "blogging the bEast."
Come represent your squads."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/nfc-east-trash-talk-hour-on-therootdc/2011/10/03/gIQAdtk7HL_blog.html
With extra schadenfreuden goodness
“OK, so I have this new little gig talking trash with fans of the other NFC East teams once/week at the Washington Post. Naturally, my first week falls on the day after the Eagles third straight 4th quarter collapse. Awesome! Not sure how much I can defend our birds, although I will be trashing the other teams. JimmyK”
Not a word of this on any other NFC East SB site, Only in Philly, (sigh)
Make the popcorn and sit back and watch.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
I don't think you can blame Jacobs
on that fumble. It looks like he didn’t miss his assignment – his assignment was to pick up the blitz, and he had identified the blitzer and was moving to block him, which he did. You want him focused on that and not on cleaning up for an o-lineman who gets beat one on. It looks like he was sloppy letting a guy go right by him but I think it was focus on doing his job.
by Mount17 on Oct 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Booth got beat bad
Brandon could have adjusted, but I won’t kill him there. I was a little more miffed at Kevin calling a pass play on our 10 with our starting Center out of the game. However after watching the run blocking the rest of the way I can’t kill him over that.
In many ways we were our own worst enemy in keeping the Cards in the game. Two turnovers inside the 20 we basically spotted them 10 pts.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Phonebooth got beat bad, but I doubt he's practiced much at center..
I do think Jacobs should have protected his QB
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The D
I’m not upset at the defensive performance as most here.
We gave them 10 points on turnovers. Our O went 3 and out deep in our own territory the first 2 maybe 3 teams we had the ball.
Our D got 4 sacks, two turnovers and D’d up on the last drive to win the game
Sure there are things that could of been better and they need to improve on but considering no Tuck, that was not so bad.
20th and Offense and Defense, and +4 in giveaway/takeaway
Besides the Philly game, I’d say we haven’t played really well, and are 3-1, despite the stats above. Personally, I think those stats will increase rather than decrease, and I look forward to consistent good Giant football. Let’s keep the ball rolling.
In Reese I Trust.
Cruz's play different from Eli vs Eagles
Folks have brought that play up. Eli fumbled when he hit the ground, so that was a totally different situation.
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Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
it was in that Cruz didn't fumble the ball when he hit the ground
He thought he was down and was getting up to go back to the huddle, we got lucky there because if the Ref’s had called it the other way nobody would have questioned that call. Hope Victor learned his lesson, maybe next time he get’s up and runs into the endzone.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well..
We played lousy against the Redskins, did a decent job in Philly, and barely survived yesterday..to me that adds up to sub-par play…They need to get better and consistent very quickly..Games aren’t going to get any easier.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'm getting too old for these nailbiters...
Pretty soon I’ll have to wear ‘Depends’..ain’t that some shit
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
This team is finding ways to win
May not be pretty but nobody gives out style points for being pretty. What I like is that nobody laid down after all our injuries and people are stepping up. We are probably looking at these types of games all season.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Better Kenny, Moose and Goose, than Joe and Troy!!!!
Moose and Goose made a number of compliments about Eli and the Giants.
I don't know...
I think they are the Three Stooges….and I suspect Kenny is wearing his Dads longeree..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Anybody else looking at the schedule?
I’m thinking we can be 6-1 heading into a game with the Pats… Who’s with me?
Yesterday told me just take it week by week
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree..The team needs to take it one game at a time..
No looking back..no looking ahead
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LOL guys.....
we are not a part of this team… As much as I would love running on the field and playing out there with these guys I don’t haha… I was asking from a fans perspective.
by bdasilva7785 on Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I am giving you a fan perspective
The Giants are not good enough to just assume a 6-1 record. Just worry about the Seahawks
by Late for Dinner on Oct 3, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This
It’s dangerous in the NFL for any team really. But this Giants team can’t take anything for granted. They need to prepare every week like it’s their toughest game. When that one is over do the same thing again for the next week.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Hahaha!!...I have no desire to be the next George Plimpton
However I do take my pre-game preparations seriously….I go over all my stats…
How many beers are left after the game
How many rolled up socks did I throw for scores at the TV
Is my wife still talking to me
Are the kids afraid of me
Did I take the dog out for a walk or did he piss himself and laid there licking his balls
Did the neighbors call and complain about excessive noise
I work on all of these catagories each week in an effort to improve my game..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I am happy we were able to squeak out a win
and let Tuck rest it out…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
GREAT WIN!!!
GREAT JOB GMEN!!! GOT TO GET BETTER!!! IT’S STILL A LONG SEASON AND WE HAVE MAYBE TOUGHEST SCHEDULE IN THE NFL THIS YEAR!!! GO GMEN!!
we will get tested against some of the best teams in the league
personally I love it.
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Few stones left unturned at this point in the thread, but...
…I did a ctrl-f on “Williams” and have yet to read anything thus far. I suspect that is because he didn’t have his name called often, if at all, yesterday afternoon. It seemed to me he had a unremarkable game yesterday, as many rookies have been known to do.
Just an observation…
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 3, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
why talk about williams rookie kind of day
when you can talk about Eli/Nicks/Cruz/Tuck/Osi??
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
because we leave no stone unturned at BBV???
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 3, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha!!...Gotta find something to bitch about...
We’re Giants fans…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
My bitching went down considerably...
…when I moved away from the tri-state area.
It’s just an observation. His name was called frequently during the last two games and folks here were very excited about how quickly he is coming along in his own development. He registered four tackles in the box score yesterday, but was virtually invisible. I can’t remember thinking to myself at all yesterday, “there goes #57, stepping up and making a big play.”
It’s not a comment on where he is in his progression, his potential, etc. Just interesting to observe as the season goes along. At this point, we are still getting way more production from an unheralded 6th-round rookie.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 3, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...right on
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I did not know that...
….my game feed crapped out on Osi’s strip/sack, I had no idea the kid ended up on the bottom on the pile with the apple. I’ll reserve my judgment, then.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to bitch at the lack of the 3 back set!!
or a traditional wing with Jacobs and Bradshaw in the back field at the same time…. Hell, Have Hynoski and Jacobs lead block for bradshaw…
okay, I am done.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Poor Kiwi
He overruns one play at the goal line and is roasted….
And Osi does the same thing EVERY PLAY and is beloved by many since he gets his sack or two a game……
Its the way it is in NY Kiwi, keep your chin up.
I think Kiwi
has been solid and is being under appreciated
+1 on the solid
I am not buying the under appreciated.. most of the regulars here know what he brings to the game.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Jacobs and Killdrive
How do you give a Wet Willie to Brandon Jacobs when he wasn’t on the field until the end of the 3rd quarter? Well, that’s not entirely true, he had one run sometime in the 1st and that was it. It was all Bradshaw – and I thought the carries were supposed to be even. So far, that hasn’t been the case! And while the O-line hasn’t been great in run protection, I don’t believe Killdrive is giving them a chance. The Giants were dominated because of horrific play calling in the first half and it wasn’t until the end that calls got any better. By then, it was all pass plays because we were behind. Frankly, I would have understood if Jacobs had run his mouth and trash talked the coaching. I was appalled… Killdrive has to go!
On Manningham
I dont think you can just blame him for not being in the position Manning wanted him in. That happens when a reciever and a QB read the play differently, so they react in different ways. I havent watched the game back (and my stream was so laggy I didnt actaully get to see many of the plays) so I cant say whose fault it was, but it’s unfair to assume that because he wasnt where Manning wanted him that he was at fault.
Did anyone else notice that after the Vikings signed Rhett Bomar they beat the Eagles? We had our secret weapon all along...
I would be giving Webster a kwillie
Just because he is a terrible tackler. He waits for the ballcarrier to come to him, he never goes in with aggression. This was highlighted in the last play of the Cardinal’s opening 2nd half drive as Webster let Wells run into him on the goalline, leaving him with no chance to stop the TD, he might as well have let him run right through. While Im often unhappy with TT’s coverage ability, this is one area that Thomas is far ahead of Webster as TT goes into tackles with aggression, keen for a hit.
Did anyone else notice that after the Vikings signed Rhett Bomar they beat the Eagles? We had our secret weapon all along...
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