Ramses Barden: How Should The New York Giants Use Him?
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
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PrintIt seems like the New York Giants have waited forever for wide receiver Ramses Barden to return from the ankle injury that sent him to Injured Reserve after Week 10 of last season, just when it looked like the 6-foot-6, 224-pounder out of Cal Poly was about to step up and grab a significant role in the Giants' offense.
Now that Barden, a third-round pick out of Cal Poly in 2009, is finally back to work how should the Giants use him? First, of course, the Giants have to remove him from the Physically Unable To Perform (PUP) list, which he has been on since training camp began.
If Barden were to be activated for Sunday's game the Giants would have to make that decision by 4 p.m. ET Saturday, releasing a player from the 53-man roster at the same time. The Giants seem unlikely to activate Barden this week, though when asked on Friday coach Tom Coughlin would only say "you will have to wait and see."
The Giants have 21 days from when Barden first practiced on Monday to decide whether to activate him or place him on IR.
First and foremost, offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride warned this week not to expect too much too soon from the 25-year-old Barden.
"He had one game in two years so to think all of a sudden now it's Jerry Rice is unfair to the kid. That's not fair, but that one game he got hurt, unfortunately, was a good game. He played well that game. Hopefully he'll come back, but who do you take out? I'm asking you guys. Who are you going to take out? Who are you going to sit down? It's like anything else, you have to earn the chance and you do that by what he's doing in practice," Gilbride said. "But the first week he's practicing you're not saying that he's going to be as far along as the guys who have been playing and doing it. He hasn't been there [since] whenever the Dallas game was last year. To ask him to be the same as everybody else, that's an unfair expectation. But he is working hard. He is a bright kid. I think he is going to come along and when a chance presents itself we'll tap into him and see what he does."
Without doubt, that is a fair point. Even if you want to quibble with it and say Barden played significant snaps in two games last season -- 15 snaps Week 9 against Seattle and 21 snaps Week 10 against Dallas before getting hurt. The point is the same. The guy has played very little football the past two seasons, and just got back to practice. He isn't going to step right in and become a star -- he wasn't that before he got injured, anyway.
There is also no doubt, however, that once Barden shakes off the rust and shows he is ready the Giants can find ways to utilize his size and strength.
There has been much discussion lately that Barden could help the Giants as a slot receiver. Barden recently told Mike Garafolo that slot is a position he enjoys more than he thought he would.
"I've played more slot than I have anywhere else. It's actually a surprise to me I'm comfortable there," the Giants' wide receiver said yesterday. "If you'd have asked me that coming out of college, I'd have been like, ‘Slot? What are you talking about?'
"But slot is fun. There's always a way to win. It's a mind game as much as it is anything."
Victor Cruz has become the Giants' slot receiver in three-wide sets, and there is no reason to think Barden will take snaps away from Cruz. When the Giants go four- or five-wide, though, perhaps Barden can be slotted in those packages.
Gilbride has not forgotten what he saw from Barden in that Dallas game, where he caught a career-best three balls for 34 yards.
"That's where he played a little bit, inside. It's not your prototypical slot, where you're looking for a quicker guy. I sound like a broken record, but to me it's immaterial to me how a guy gets open. Is it speed? Is it cutting? Is it his route sophistication and nuances? Is it size, strength, quickness? But [he's not like] most of the guys in there - the Wes Welkers, the Victor Cruzes, the Steve Smiths when we had him, those kind of guys," Gilbride said. "The last game he got injured he was in there and he caught the ball very well. He got open, more importantly. I knew he'd catch the ball, but he got open. He showed the courage and sophistication of route running. When he had his chance that day he played well."
Gilbride was also asked this week if Barden could play some tight end -- ostensibly replacing the unproductive Travis Beckum.
"You have to block. You have to block. Ask him that one. You know how you ask running backs if they want to block? Ask your wide outs do they want to block. To be a tight end you have to be a blocker first," Gilbride said. "Are you going to ask a guy who's been a wide receiver to be a tight end and take on Trent Cole? It's not fair. You're asking a guy to do something he can't do. But you're right. That's where he more of resembles a slighter build tight end kind of kid. Again, he's a bright guy who can play a lot of positions. That's the appeal. He can go in and do a lot of different things for you."
Gilbride is right that you probably don't want Barden lined up in a traditional tight end slot. He is 10-15 pounds lighter than Beckum, who is himself considered too small to be a traditional tight end. The Giants do, however, often use Beckum split wide or in a slot type alignment off the line of scrimmage. With him having caught just one pass all season you would have to think that the Giants might look to give Barden some of those opportunities.
No matter exactly how they utilize Barden, he will present another viable option for Eli Manning. And that has to help the Giants.
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Red Zone
Green Zone, whatever, but use his size to the advantage in tight quarters.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 28, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Get him the ball
that is all.
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but...
Is he a blocking tight end?
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
+21.
I’ve been saying this for three years. Even as a decoy, just tell him to go stand in the end zone.
11/1/2010
And he could not do worse than this which is not all that bad....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dang..that girl has some backboard action going on
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
girl on the phone is better
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta disagree
"
Amanda Seyfried from “Mean girls”
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Or...OR...
late and as many times as I’m allowed
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Go find pix of her from Jennifer's Body
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Did he even have to use his height on any of those catches?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 28, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Killdrive makes me sick
I physically feel ill having read that crap that he’s spewing.
just STFU and get him out there….Eli will do the rest.
TeamJPP
That I truly don't understand, Andi
He didn’t say anything odd. He said don’t expect too much too soon. They will get him out there when he’s ready.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And he provides sound logic
on where he is useful and where he is not.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta agree with Ed on this
would you rather the coach oversell the expectations of a young player and set them up for failure by comparison, even if they do well?
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
I get it
Who are we taking snaps away from ….
It’s like there is a rule, use of 4 WRs in anything but 4 WR sets is prohibited and punishable by death. I still remember the drop off in 08. The wise team wants to have a 4th WR I the mix, just to diversify and have a guy totally ready should the need arise.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone call for him to replace Nicks in the starting lineup, I don’t get the whole talk about Jerry Rice (crap we’ve never had a guy at that level)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
it's almost as if he's saying...
well, Barden’s gonna have to wait for someone to get hurt to get playing time…..
TeamJPP
Like you read my mind
Such stupid thinking
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
By KG
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I didnt take it that way
I think he was saying Barden has to earn it in practice, meaning snaps
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
At first I thought what trueblue was saying
but when I continued reading I thought more of what you’re saying
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
My reaction is based on the coaches past history
Id love to be wrong
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I agree nothing too see here
Barden has to earn it. Practice well in and convince the coaches It’s time. I mean it is gonna take some time for the Kid to get Acclimate to the Speed of the game. He is practically. a rook.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Strange how they kept Cruz over Hagan then
I mean Hagan had lots more on field experience, And Cruz has what 10 more catches
Perhaps we should follow the logic thru and trade for Plax.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
that's my point...
he can say w/e BS he wants….be negative, be positive, try to be funny….
his ACTIONS have been doing enough talking as far as i’m concerned…..so who cares what Gilbride has to say?
he said the kid couldn’t run routes and get seperation….but when he played vs. Dallas w/ the exception of the play in the endzone when he got hurt you didn’t see any DB near Ramses the way he was running those routes. dude was wide open out there!
now it’s like “hey, this kid is 6’6”….he has other attributes"….he had ’em 2 years ago Kevin!!!!
TeamJPP
i have no issues w/ him waiting to be ready
in fact, i think that’s the smart thing to do.
I’ll never understand his methods….he criticized barden up and down and all over the place as a rookie, route running, seperation, blah blah blah….
now suddnely “it’s immaterial to me how a guy gets open. Is it speed? Is it cutting? Is it his route sophistication and nuances? Is it size, strength, quickness?”
Where was that quote 2 years ago, or even last year?
and this notion that Cruz and MM can NEVER come off the field in any circumstance?!?! What the heck is that? do we have 3 Hakeem Nicks playing WR?
and frankly, i’d just upsetting that the first time I’ve actually heard Gilbride try to build this kid up and say something positive about him is when he’s in his 3rd year in the league.
He should have played more last year IMO….the Dallas game was proof of that….and it ‘s frustrating that he doesn’t get how HE is directly impacting Barden’s career.
and than on top of that, KG is using more 4 WR sets than EVER, and he’s asking how Barden is going to see playing time?!?!?
TeamJPP
It's called self fullfillng prophecy
NFL coaches specialize in it. If he can’t get him snaps, he can’t get better, but if he doesn’t get better then the coach was right and he shouldn’t have been on the field.
It’s how you lose
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Well I wouldn't want to see him IRed..
But I really think we need to stick with what we have..He’ll never be a tight-end..but I wouldn’t be opposed to finally losing Beckum…and just have him available to toss a ball to…and Gilbride is right…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
since when
bq.the Giants can find ways to utilize his size and strength.
have the Giants coaches found ways to utilized players strengths? They specialize in the square peg/round hole project.
was it a Q & A with BBV
Gilbride was also asked this week if Barden could play some tight end — ostensibly replacing the unproductive Travis Beckum.
it sounds like a comment from BBV
No, it wasn't
Came out of his weekly meeting with reporters.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's face it the kid has caught what?..Two passes?
He’s going to be a good one but you really can’t factor him into a game..Maybe as a sub..He has a long ways to go..Give him a break, he hasn’t even hardly practiced..He’s a work in progress…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
that's right bob
“career high 3 catches, 32 yards”
In other words, if he comes back and picks up exactly where he left off, a 4-catch, 40 yard performance would be way above reasonable expectations
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll take that
specially if one of those are in the pretty designed rectangles on the field.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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In 2008 The Smith who must not be named had 53 catches for 530 yds
He was considered an impact player that year.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
yeah i think that's a stretch for him this year
i’ll take 25-40 catches, 300-400 yards, 3-5 TDs. that’s a start.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
I'm just saying 3-32 or 4-40
Is nothing to sneeze at, especially if it’s 3 first downs on 3rd and 5+
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Yeah I'll take that 3/32 line anyday
You know it’ll lead to a 1/60/1 eventually.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Oct 28, 2011 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We should use him to win football games
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
DO NOT TAKE AWAY FROM CRUZ
Barden should not take opps from Cruz, he is too dangerous and productive lose opps.
Barden needs to wait as 4th receiver. Cruz needs to keep growing, more upside for Cruz while Barden may only be good for some jump passes in the end zone.
by GiantFaninColorado on Oct 28, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
what makes you think that Barden's upside is only to jump?
i don’t understand why ppl automatically lump certain players in certain categories. Barden is tall, so give him jump balls only. some of the best wideouts in the game are big, and they’re not thrown only fade and stop fade routes.
The Pharaoh can do anything Cruz can do, and maybe even better(cept the meringue). lets remember who was drafted 3rd and who was not drafted at all, before we relegate him to the bench forever.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Well said
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Oh I don't see him riding the pine for long..
He just can’t be expected to suddenly step on the field and perform miracles..Yeah he’s big and tall and hopefully will make better use of those attributes than let’s say Brandon Marshall..I’d like to see him in certain situations where he can spell a starter and make a contribution..but he isn’t ready to take on a full-time role yet..and don’t sell Cruz short because he wasn’t drafted..many a great hall of fame players were undrafted walk-ons..Cruz has made Smith disappear to me..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
rewatch some film
watch the crisp routes run, the ability to catch it in traffic, not just out jump someone, and then revisit your argument.
again, what did we know about Cruz before he became Cruz? that’s the same theory i’m applying to The Pharoah
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Maybe
First he cannot do everything Cruz can do. Cruz has shown big play ability. And Barden has what 3 catches to his name and now everyone thinks e is Aii Pro. to date he has shown nothing so why use him and take catches away from the first 3 receivers. You are thinking like KG.
by GiantFaninColorado on Oct 29, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Who said he's an all pro? Don't put words in people's mouths, they won't like you very much :)
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 29, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Cruz had an opportunity and no one but you is saying Barden is an all pro
how come Cruz is allowed to get a chance but when another equally talented WR is ready to step on the field lets shit on him with a thousand cesspools.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 29, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You just made the point
“equally talented receiver”
based on what ?
by GiantFaninColorado on Oct 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
give me one reason taht Cruz before he had playing time and opportunity
had more talent then Barden. And if you say the preseason game against the Jest practice squad, that sound you here is me laughing my ass off.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Still on PUP
U get all excited for a player that cannot even get on the field.
What are u a grad of Cal Poly?
PS Barden wishes he had 1/2 the preseason game Cruz had against the Jets.
by GiantFaninColorado on Oct 30, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't drafted because they did not need to
to get him.
Pharaoh was gonna be gone
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
drafted or not
Is immaterial right now
by GiantFaninColorado on Oct 29, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Barden > Cruz
let him play.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
That might be the case, might not.
Barden will have to earn his playing time, and he will.
We will get to see him soon enough.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 27 MIA 16
hmmm
Cruz more of a big play break one kinda guy. Rams has better hands and crisper rout running.(also looks in the ball)
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i'd tend to agree with that description
Cruz already has a knack to make that big play, but seems like he’ll drop the easy pass. i don’t think the pharoah has the breakaway speed, so prolly won’t be a human highlight reel, cept prolly in the red zone.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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GTFO.
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"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Really not thinking about Barden right now,
Kinda like D Scott. Until they can prove to the coaching staff they deserve to be on the field (justified or not) I’ll worry more about the guys who are getting the snaps.
Not saying I’m not rooting for them.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
As I said back in May 2010
1 – Nicks
2 – Manningham
3 – Barden
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora
Ed why do you think he won't be off the PUP til next week?
Why can’t they work him in for 5-10 snaps? a few 4 receiver sets, maybe some 5 receiver sets? i’d rather him knock some of that dust off this Sunday, and be ready for next.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
i agree w/ Ed
i mean, what are they waiting for? an invitation from god?
clearly they are taking things slowly…
if they were going to let him play this weekend why activate him at the last possible minute? (i.e. tomorow)
TeamJPP
why not?
it’s not hurting him either way, he’s still practicing, so if he were activated yesterday as opposed to saturday, i don’t see a difference there.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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me personally....
I don’t either. I want Ramses to play…like NOW
but i feel w/ the giants they always air on the side of caution…
not that he’ll re hurt himself, but if they do see him in the slot they may want to see more consistency before they give him live bullets
TeamJPP
The only reason
is because they will have to cut somebody and they are waiting until the last possible minute if at all.
Somebody may get injured in practice or something and help to make their decision.
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that's a good point
but say a Safety does get hurt (knocks on wood)…D. Martin still ain’t playing on Sunday
TeamJPP
yeah i mean is Martin that big a contributor on specials that he can't see the door?
altho i’ll say this, i don’t want the pharoah on specials, specially coming off this foot.
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Look, i think we all love Vic Cruz
kid makes plays….but he’s also a dingbat at times.
why can’t Barden and Cruz really battle it out?
A) it’s not like only 3 WRs have to play
B) they’re so friggin different that they could compliment one another….imagine if your a DB and you gotta Cover Ramses, and than Cover Cruz?
TeamJPP
i would think that they
will eventually battle it out. It may have already started.
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NYG 27 MIA 16
i think so
but my point is, ppl need breathers. take 2 or 3 snaps from NY Nicks, he’s always dinged up, i’m sure his body would appreciate that. take the same from The Man…let Cruz sit on certain routes where having a big body might come in handy(button hooks, etc.) put 4 and 5 wide out there 2 or 3 plays….you take a little from here, a little form there, all of a sudden Barden is out there for for 8-12 snaps, give or take. no one notices the little time taken from them, everybody’s happy. what’s wrong with that?
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
That requires logical and flexibility
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
That's what I'd do
Yes Nicks is awesome, but he has yet to play a full season. Also, Cruz is an outside receiver. Even when he’s in the slot, he makes his plays going to the outside, usually scrubbing off the DB on Nicks. If Barden has the smarts to play the slot, work him in.
Just a quick note, Ed
The variety and depth of your posts have improved recently and it hasn’t gone unnoticed. Kudos.
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"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora
I was thinking the same thing
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
for those of you who forgot what Barden can do
here’s a little something to jog your memory. and for those who will say that was against college competition, there’s this too….just the tip of the iceberg for the Pharoah.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
that was against Mike Jenkins too
the Pro Bowler
boy i wish i could use sarcasm font on that but it’s true…he made a pro bowl
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yeah, right. the good mike jenkins
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Thanks for the reminder.
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4 wides in the redzone could be insane
Nicks= Cruz == line== Rams== Ham
BJ ELI
BJ on a draw would kill .Rams if he gos in or out would be sick . I could go on spreading the D out would wreck havoc on opposing D’s . just got a little tingly thinking about it..
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yeah no secondary is deep enough to cover all 4 efficiently
and if the D blitzed, as long as Eli saw it and the hot guy ran the right route, it’d be an unstoppable look.
quite honestly i’m surprised Gilbride hasn’t gotten the urge to dust off the run and shoot of his oiler days. this is a helluva 4 wide we’re looking at.
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Yes its not Barden v Cruz
Its Barden and Cruz, 4 WR is the new 3 WR
Make it so KG
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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it's times like this
when i wish i could become a fly and sit on the wall when they gameplan. i’d love to see how(if) they plan on using him.
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I miss that
I feel like we used to spread things out from the 5 and run the draw play so effectively, but we rarely call it anymore. Maybe it’s because of the O-line.
by Max Schwager on Oct 28, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
AND WHY THE F**K CANT I DO FANPOST????
ED!!!!?
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SB is bugging today
earlier i was posting and it would show it as a double post, with no body, only the title. i couldn’t get on it from my phone…..maybe it’s hackers.
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eli did it
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no this shits been going on for a couple weeks
i had to ask BBI to post a MNF open thread last week.
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I have been getting double comments a lot
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Bomar must be back...
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Yeah I got the evil eye tonight..
She said I’m going upstairs to watch TV…Are you going to drink that whole 18-pack?..I said only if it goes to extra innings..If it goes past 18 innings, I’ll have to head out for more…How can anybody prefer the Food Channel over a World Series final game?..Especially when you don’t make noise in the kitchen with the pots and pans?..I don’t get it
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Barden will get limited playing time this season
I’m not the biggest fan of Gilbride, but he nails every point. Yes, Barden looks as though he could be something, but how do you bench guys like Mario Manningham and Victor Cruz (guys that have actually translated their potential into actual production)?
Look, Barden looks great on paper. But this whole “just get him into the game!” crap is nonsense. He’s played in games before, and he’s shown just a little bit of hope. He’s been injured a lot, which will hurt the development of any young player. Hell, Barden’s “big game” was a 3 catch, 34 yard performance.
Are we watching the same games?
Stop protending that because Barden is 6’6", he’s going to be Plax. That’s ridiculous. Burress plays a very physical game. Barden, given his size, is a timid receiver.
Burress has had several 1,000 yard seasons. Barden’s played in nine games and his receiving yardage totals 80 yards. For his career. Let me say that again. Barden has 80 career receiving yards. He’s played in nine games.
Honestly, before we give him all of this credit, let’s see him work his way up the ladder first. He has the potential to be something good, but the guy has done absolutely nothing. You can blame his injuries all you want, but in his limited time he hasn’t been there. Three catches doesn’t impress me.
And the best part about all of this is that the people screaming for Barden will be the first to trash him and Gilbride/Coughlin if he plays poorly.
at least you consistent
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doesn’t seem timid here….or here.
it’s a small sample size and no one is asking him to replace Nicks on the depth chart. but the man is a weapon, and the more weapons you put out on that field the worse off for our opponent.
no one is saying put Cruz in a coffin cause his career with us is now over. but you can easily work another receiver into this mix….there’s enough snaps to do so.
his talented has translated into the league it’s not just paper anymore. and you’re right, it’s not a huge body of work for the man. maybe he’s a slow learner, as opposed to Cruz. don’t hold it against him, that’s all i’m saying. the coaches need to get him out there, sooner than later.
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by wilddre22 on Oct 28, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so you want 3 WR sets
and snaps to be split between Bradshaw and Jacobs?
absolutely
altho i don’t know how you got that from my post. but yeah, we have IMO, as much if not more talent at the skill positions than any team in the league. let them all get out there, and involved.
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Honestly, before we give him all of this credit, let’s see him work his way up the ladder first. He has the potential to be something good, but the guy has done absolutely nothing.
so he’s got potential but he shouldn’t play?!?!
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i guess it's the adage of
if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
but i think me and you are in the “it ain’t broke, but we can upgrade it” camp.
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I think it's the More good players mean a better team camp
Having us on he sideline waiting for an injury is bad for team morale
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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yup
never can have enough of anything….the past few seasons have taught us that.
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And waiting for a guy to get injured just makes it harder to break them in
Running more 4 WR now to give Ramses and Eli a chance to figure it out, will only speed up the process
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Couldnt agree more
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by wilddre22 on Oct 28, 2011 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Potential means nothing. Everybody drafted into the NFL has potential. Heck, scores of undrafted guys have potential. A player has to show that he can do something with that potential to get to play in the NFL. Let him show he can play in practice then get a few snaps in a game.
he's been showing in practice that he deserves PT (which is why the coaches and Eli want him on the field)
he hasn’t been able to stay healthy.
He needs reps on the field. Practice production gets you nowhere. Victor Cruz can attest to that.
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Hasn't been injured "a lot", just once actually.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel we have stated that endlessly here
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We have, some people just learn slower than others.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, maybe
I think this week alone i have typed the phrase “one broken ankle does not make you injury prone” more times then any man should
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We both have TAWD, we both have.
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"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no doubt
no doubt at all
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been off the field a lot
Case-in point. You can’t just rush a player who has spent that much time off of the field back on. My point is that you have to break him in.
I’m saying mostly the same thing that everyone else is here, I’m just not willing to crown Barden as a “viable option” given his body of work. Sure, you give him snaps here and there. But he needs to get up to game speed first.
My point that he has potential, but he has done nothing to be utilized extensively. He’s got to work up to it, and if he picks up steam, he works into the offense more and more.
I’ve basically said the same things that most of you seem to agree with, just without the sense of urgency. We have three solid wide receivers. We don’t need Barden to get in there. He will develop as long as he stays healthy.
by Max Schwager on Oct 28, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been kept off the field
No injuries rookie year
And last year they waited till week 9 to work him in, preferring to just use 3 WRs, and when those guys got hurt they said now play.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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That's usually the fault of the receiver
If he’s not playing it’s because he’s in there and not running the right routes, timing isn’t there with Eli, or when he is playing, he’s not performing.
Cruz was redshirted in his first year too. He played significantly in year two. Barden, not so much. The coaches and Eli don’t have a personal vendetta against Barden, so I would imagine that he’s just the same as everyone else in that sense: needs to get his route running down, along with the nuances of his position.
Now that he’s done that (or at least it seems that way), he’s been hurt. Nothing you can really do about that. He just needs to be on the field.
I don’t think Gilbride just makes up shit to protect himself against condemnation from Giants fans on BBV if Barden doesn’t play. It just is what it is.
by Max Schwager on Oct 28, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Cruz got on the field in much the same way Rams did ..injury. Barden got hurt Cruz didnt
Eli has stated he misses Barden as a target.
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this
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He has been injured a lot, now it might be one injury but it has cost him a lot of time. One very bad injury that costs a season+ seems like 5 or 6 injuries that cost a season+ when you look back at just time missed.
He's been out since week 10 of last season
that is less than a season. That is not a season +.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 29, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
don't bother
he's mister injury
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
let's trade Manningham
for a LBxz……….waiting for Ghost………………….
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I like Ham
I don’t think we’ve given him as many chances to be successful. WR screens seem to be his specialty. Haven’t been calling them nearly as much, but that probably has something to do with the development of Nicks and Cruz as downfield threats.
by Max Schwager on Oct 28, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
nah i was joking
just rehashing an old argument from many moons ago. i do like the Man as well, and i hope he’s in blue past this year. you’re right, the screen is his niche, altho i’m glad they got away from throwing it everytime the D showed blitz on 3rd and super long.
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It's OK
I know Manningham will not be a Giant next year anyway.
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i hope he is honestly
but i’m inclined to agree. i thought he’d have to play all world this year, and i thought he would. to this point he hasn’t. but i love The Man, and hope the Giants keep him, just have a 5 headed hydra of Manningham, Nicks, JJ12, Pharoah, and Cruz out there every play. hell, even sign SS back….we’re gonna need a waterboy.
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I think that
Has played more to the Giants keeping him. They opt to keep Ham despite several receivers on the depth chart below him. The fact that he is catching less passes will mean that he won’t be able to demand the huge contract that would send him elsewhere.
by Max Schwager on Oct 28, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It may turn out that way.
i think the best is yet to come from Ham. This year.
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LBZERZZZEZZZZZ?!?!
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"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh what the hell..1234!@#$%^&*()^&*()SDFGHJKL..take that!!b.
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Ha. The day is your's.
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"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not gonna take snaps away from Cruz or MM
he’s going to take them away from Hynoski and Pascoe and Beckum (and maybe even Ballard a little) via 4 or 5 WR sets and I’m perfectly fine with that. Plus, guys need a breath every once in a while, or roll an ankle, rough hit, wind out, etc. That’s easily 10 snaps a game and that’s perfect, especially if some are in the red zone. I know KG used to know what spread formations were, hopefully someone will remind him.
that's all i'm saying
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I've never seen someone get so much run...
for a player who has hardly played for us. Yes, this guy is tall. Everyone talks about it like he put 1200 yds and 12 TDs last year and we lost him. He had one ok game. Let’s not treat him like something he’s not.
who's treating him that way?
all we’re(well i) am saying is we know he’s got potential, we’ve seen it. so did our scouts, as well as other scouts(he wasn’t just high on our board) He’s a high round draft pick – and Ed raised a good question – what do you do with him now that he’s back? so it’s a valid discussion, i don’t see it like how you see it. no one is elevating anyone to any level. all we’re saying is, he’s got something. let’s see if it can utilized.
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But on the flip side if he had 1200 yds and 12 TDs and had his leg amputated at the knee
We’d be hearing, that guy is a weapon, you have to find a way to get him on the field
There is only one way to develop Barden, and it aint snaps in practice.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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It is...
Snaps in practice. That’s what Gilbride is talking about. He hasn’t played football in a long time. He needs to get up to speed before we can expect something good out of him.
by Max Schwager on Oct 28, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily.
Practice speed is not game speed. And there are many players in the NFL that are great practice players, but not so great in real games. They are backups. The only sure fire way to know if he can play the game or not, is to actually have him play the game.
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"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
many players in the NFL that are great practice players, but not so great in real games
cough cough.. Sinorce Moss… cough cough
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that's a pretty bad cough you got there. lol.
Sinorce Moss is one of many.
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"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
the change is weather
gave me the sniffles
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a tit bit nippley out.
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"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeap
I can cut ice with mine right now, lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That guy should change his name to Sinitus Moldspores
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Or Shitty Mudpants
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yeah and if
he’s not up to practice speed he’s not up to game speed. I don’t care if he performs well in practice or whatever, but the comparison isn’t the same. He just needs reps before he starts getting serious game reps.
by Max Schwager on Oct 28, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
so by asking for the kid to get a chance
Is some how acting as if he put up 1200 yards? All barden supports want is the kid to get a chance.
Read the comments. No one is over rating anything. Just want to see him given an opportunity
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by andiamo708 on Oct 28, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the bench might be cold
Make the kid prove something in practice before he gets on the field in a game. The Giants have little room for errors as it is. They don’t need a new young WR to come in and make stupid mistakes.
He's not that young
He’s 25, with 3 very good receivers in front of him. The clock is ticking.
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by wilddre22 on Oct 28, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess young should read inexperienced there. Do we really want to trust the Giants season to a guy that hasn’t done much of anything at this point? Let him practice for awhile and prove he belongs.
they put Cruz in there and it seems to have worked
why the double standard?
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Athank you.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They put Cruz in there because there is nobody else. Who else can be the 3rd WR? This goes back to the whole off season thing again. The Cruz thing has been pretty rocky so far this year. Easy catches for first down dropped. A fumble that he got lucky the Ref got him out of. INTs happening around him. I don’t know if I would say Cruz has “worked”, I might say that more of his plays have been ok then horrible.
all of that doesn't matter
fact is the Giants season has been “trusted” with Cruz, as much as a season can be trusted on a 3rd WR.
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End Zone
Ramses Barden and Jake Ballard both 6`6 in the end zone. Wouldn’t that be nice.
Eli should be very happy to see that.
Can he catch? Can he jump? Can he run a route? Can he separate from a CB? Can he take the ball away from a CB?
To many questions, not enough answers. This team needs to win this game more then they need to find out if Barden can play in the NFL.
did we know the answers to those questions a few weeks ago with Cruz?
No. What happened? They put him out there and he made plays.
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But he wanted Cruz to play, not Barden.
so Barden should not be given a chance
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually he didn't want Cruz or someone didn't
Cruz goes out makes a bad play early against Washington (great shocker, an UDFA screws up early in his NFL career), then he didnt get targeted
And against ST L, he disappeared POOF gone
Only when we were down to him Nicks and Devin Thomas did Cruz get run and do something with it. Its been off to the races since then. Now Cruz is an integral part of the offense, can’t share snaps (somewhere Bill Walsh is laughing his gas off)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Go take a look at his highlights.
wilddre and a someone else has provided the links within this post.
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NYG 27 MIA 16
To start...
use him strictly as a red zone threat/decoy. If he has single coverage, throw it up high enough where only he can get it. Or, you can have AB/BJ lined up next to Eli, fake the throw, and pull off a nice inside draw. Even as a decoy he could be effective.
Yeah that would be a good start..
Plax caught three TDs..and they knew he was out there for that reason..So it isn’t like Ramses has to decoy anybody..Those are the situations I’d like to see him..A woodpecker can’t defend against an acorn thrown to a giant redwood tree…Where did I come up with that analogy?..I have no fucking idea..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Looks like another hair-loss game in St. Louis tonight..
I walk over to post a comment with the Rangers leading 2-0…walk back in and it is 2-2..I’ll be popping lots of Bud lids tonight I’m afraid, er.. happy to say.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LOL
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely happy to say
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for reminding me...not about the game
I forgot to start drinking
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
this
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You haven't started to embibe yet?!?
C’mon man catch up!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Practice snaps aren't going to tell us much
Just let him take 4-6 snaps during the game. Give him the limited opportunity to do all the great things that some people say he can do. Let’s just see if he makes the most of the opportunity. Give him a few deep balls or corner routes to the end zone and see what he does. There’s no experience like game experience.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
I think some here are confusing snaps with targets
Those of us who want to see Ramses on field, don’t expect Eli to start targeting him till he gets open. Heck, I don’t even care if the plays turn out to be runs. The big guy is going to have block effectively too.
What I don’t want to see is him in a jogging suit watching. He has to get on the field and get ready, we have a tough stretch run, the faster we get him up to speed, the faster 4 WRs is viable
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
A four receiver set would do wonders for my gonads..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yep
I’m just saying give him the opportunity and see what he does with it. If he doesn’t get open, well, that’s on him. See what he does with an opportunity.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, Cobb
The Packers seem to find snaps for a lot of guys. Why can’t we? Barden should have been on the field in some red zone packages starting in his rookie year. These young guys need a taste of live game action to learn and improve.
by G-FANinFL on Oct 28, 2011 9:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here are some common myths on Barden I would like to bust
Sorry if this is too long
The guy was not good enough to get on the field in 2009 and 2010, why should he now?
Well in 2009, he was a very raw rookie out of a AA college program. Ahead of him on the depth chart were two 3rd year WRs (Hixon and Smith), High draft pick from the previous year (Ham), Pro ready 1st round pick (Nicks), OTA & Minicamp star (Moss), and a veteran and special teamer (Hagan). Not easy to jump 6 guys in one season unless there are injuries… which leads to 2010.
Hixon is hurt in June, Nicks and Smith get hurt in Nov, so Barden gets his chance. He produces in the first half of the Dallas game but sadly, gets a season ending injury, which leads me to…
He is so injury prone, if you rush him back he will get hurt again
Sigh… breaking an ankle and suffering ligament damage is a very bad break, but its not like he has had hamstring pulls for the last 3 years. He had surgery on it, did not heal correctly so it required a second surgery. Hence why it took him longer during training camp and going on the PUP list.
He is not a slot WR, he was drafted to be a Plax type player.
This was corrected by Eli himself during Training camp in 2009. When asked by a reporter about how Barden is doing in Plaxico’s spot, Eli responed by saying in KG’s offense, Plaxico lined up as the Flanker (Z), which is what Nicks or Hixon would play on. Barden, along with Smith & Ham, lined up as the Split End (X) which was Toomer’s old spot. So while Barden in the slot is new to him, he was not brought here to be Plax 2.0. Don’t let the height fool you.
Why are you getting excited for a guy that has done nothing
Well the guy has a big upside… scouts saw it, JR saw it, even in the 2009 camp… the coaching staff saw it. Coming from a small college means he has to pay his dues in practice and playbook study. Its not like we as fans are going nuts because our All-Pro WR is returning, no… we are happy to see a different offensive weapon come to the team. Eli said during the offseason he can’t wait to see what Barden can do because of how much he learned about this system. So if my QB trusts him… SO DO I
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Good comments...Hopefully he'll get some chances...
They aren’t going to let him just sit out..but who do we get rid of to activate him?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'd think
Clayton or Derrick Martin
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
like Clayton on STs. maybe Cordle, but i hope not because Boothe sucks at C..
Koats where u be?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Koets not being ready yet means they gotta keep Cordle
damn back problems
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
after all this watch him break a leg.
well said !!
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
nailed it
thanks for destroying some misconceptions TAWDy boy.
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Get Rid of Him
and Travis Beckum too.
The two of them have been about as useful as a flat tire.
Can’t get open. Can’t catch the ball. Can’t block.
Get rid of them.
Wow, laughable. Don't even want to give him a chance.
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"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 28, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what she said...
What am I supposed to do with this flat tire??..Well..you can start by blowing it up for chrissakes..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Do you follow the Giants?
Your comments suggest otherwise.
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"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora
It seems that many people want Barden's package to get bigger.
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Let's Go Giants!
I think we all have been screaming to get a look at just how big Barden's package can get
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Stockey's still mad
Eli never got to use his package
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody want to bet on how many times McCarver falls asleep during a broadcast?
It seems like he disappears for a bit and Buck is talking to himself.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
lol
i muted it 2 innings ago
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
HA
McCarver hasn’t said anything for 5 minutes
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
for the better then
now if Buck can keep it shut for the last few outs, then job well done
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
wow your right
where is McCarver? Near the field/locker room getting ready for the post game report?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He has to be out the booth...
I’m getting worried about the guy
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
well we know he is already out of his mind
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard his voice!
He must have been asleep
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
lol
would not shock me
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats Cards
they earned it the way the played since being 10 1/2 out of the wild card in Sept
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Take THAT Nolan Ryan!!
From the Mets
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what the rest of the evening holds for those two
Dave and Busters?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
skee ball and beer
that sounds like a good time to me
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 28, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
not my president
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
WTH happened to Buck's voice?
It’s as if he has permanent laryngitis.
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No one should be up this late!
Get to FN bed. HAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I will say this I am stoked for this game
And your boy barden will play right? He is active?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
my heart says yes...
my head says…maybe….but ultimately….YES. TC and KG will surprise us and Barden will be added to the 53 man roster tomorrow, and active on Sunday.
TeamJPP
who will be inactive to make room for him? Barden is not going to be much of a special teams player, and that hurts his chances to be active until he is truly ready to contribute as a WR.
WRs on Roster
Clayton, Michael
Cruz, Victor
Jernigan, Jerrel
Manningham, Mario
Thomas, Devin
Hakim Nicks
These are the 6 guys on the 53 man roster right now. Which one can go away for Barden? It will be either Jernigan or Clayton. I think I recall Clayton plays special teams. Jernigan is this years great draft pick by Reese. So who do you want cut for Barden? Remember it isn’t so easy as just bringing a guy onto the roster, somebody else has to go bye bye.
This is an easy one
Clayton will go. Also Barden was solid on special teams last season, so there’s that.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I would hope he is
Me and you have a different opinion about the kid. As a matter of fact some times it pisses me off how much you defend a guy who has not earned his stripes for this team but then I remember every one has a different opinion on certain things. I will say this I would Rather have a difference of Opion with you then Skip Bayless .
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Yes, it's not like he's dropped easy passes or fumbled liek Cruz...
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 29, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I I pray to the football gods this kid is everything he can be
The physical attributes are there the smarts are there Cal poly by the way no joke to get into i think they work him in slow he is gonna get some burn and I pray for the betterment of this team that he is another outstanding weapon for my shitty Quarterback to win games with
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
So Andi
When and what position do you play him in?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I would bring him along in the slot
but (and i’ve said this before) KG is also using more multiple WR set….I dont’ have any numbers to back this up, but to the naked eye, it looks pretty obvious.
He’s also putting them in a “bunch” formation…especially w/ the TE’s too…that’s an area where barden can also get reps.
TeamJPP
who to cut to make room?
Devin Thomas duh. Put Jernigan back to return kickoffs.
by Madhops on Oct 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
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