Giants' PFF Numbers: Overall Totals After Six Games
by Ed Valentine on Oct 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT
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PrintSince I know you all love them so much (cough, cough) I thought I would give you the overall Pro Football Focus numbers on the performance of the New York Giants thus far. After all, we have no game from Sunday to review.
These should be instructive, at least in terms of how the numbers match up with which players you believe are playing well, or poorly. As always, remember that these numbers are just for discussion -- they aren't gospel.
A couple of overall numbers for starts.
Offensively the Giants are +17.3, eighth in the league. I have no clue how Minnesota can be +25.7, but that is a whole different argument. The Giants' pass offense is +25.8, seventh in the league, while the run offense is just +7.9, which is 13th and much higher than I would put its performance.
Defensively, the Giants are +24.8 overall, eighth in the league. The killer number is that PFF rates the Giants at -9.9 in pass coverage.
Here are some overall individual numbers for you to chew on.
Offense
Eli Manning (+13.7)
Ahmad Bradshaw (+10.8)
Hakeem Nicks (+5.6)
Jake Ballard (+5.0)
Brandon Jacobs (+4.0)
David Baas (+2.8)
Chris Snee (+2.4)
Will Beatty (+1.6)
David Diehl (-9.3)
Ballard's +5.0 is a mark no one saw coming. Beatty's +1.6 is not elite, but is way better than Diehl at left tackle. Obviously, Diehl is also struggling at guard. He is ranked 64th out of 70 guards graded by PFF.
Defense
Mathias Kiwanuka (+9.4)
Rocky Bernard (+7.1)
Jason Pierre-Paul (+6.6)
Linval Joseph (+6.4)
Osi Umenyiora (+6.2)
Kenny Phillips (+5.1)
Aaron Ross (+5.0)
Greg Jones (+3.0)
Michael Boley (+1.9)
Deon Grant (-3.8)
Antrel Rolle (-7.5)
Dave Tollefson (-8.8)
Still complaining about the way the Giants are using Kiwanuka? Carl Banks says Kiwi is "sneaky good," and these numbers agree. I would not have expected Kiwanuka to have the best grade on the defense right now. Nor would I have expected so much from Bernard. The bottom numbers, by the way, show how badly the Giants need Justin Tuck and Prince Amukamara.
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Wow...
I would NOT put Tolly that low. He may not be an animal like the rest of the DE’s, but he has been good to say the least.
Also, how are Eli and JPP not OVER (+)9000!!! (lolyeah, I went there, but they have been absolutely beastly. I have made the argument that by and large, Eli has been playing some of the best QB in the league)
he's good for a backup
thats it. don’t even try arguing that he’s good on any other team with his horrendous grade right above your comment
I have to agree somewhat...I think while Tolly was serviceable, that's about all I can say
Yeah he got sacks, but his pressure was inconsistent at best….I saw him stonewalled plenty of times, and most of the time I saw him, he was not good at run defense….
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
As the 4th/5th DE he's fine
but his best use is STs and occasionally spotting a guy for a few plays, he isn’t starting material at DE in our D. Very few guys are.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Agreed. The best 4th DE in the NFL. But just that...a 4th DE...so when compared to
what a starter should be in this league….the grade makes sense…maybe a little harsh, but justifiable I think.
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'd start for some of the worst 4-3 defenses in the league.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Poor Tollefson
He’s doing admirably, considering the circumstances, he’s a solid backup guy. Filling in for arguably the best all around DE in the league is a tall order. They do need Tuck back…
Also that roundhouse kick celebration has to go IMO. He looks goofy doing it.
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
LOL
Ed stole it from your post
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he could of used this one
Credit goes to Just J… he posted it in Fanshots
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's just say
I avoided using that picture for a reason.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 25, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
why
is there something going on in this photo that makes it bad? Just Osi going for the sack… right?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Fitz is the one going for the sack...
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps Fitz wanted proof he was a top 5 DE
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Best internet LOL for me this week.
Thank you teet. rec’d
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Damn! Your cup size is bigger than mine!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
Osi says “_ _ _ _ _ _”.
alright lets do this thing… R S T L N E
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
Well..
At least Osi has options now if his contract doesn’t work out.
I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it. - Justin Tuck
by BigBlueWreckingYou on Oct 25, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Caption time.
What do you think Kiwi’s saying to fitz in that pic? I’ll start..
“you should be happy it wasn’t JPP who hit u”
“is your back-up qb ready to play?”
by Fire In The Hole on Oct 25, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"I can givz the smashzz????"
sorry lolcats kind of day.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
-9.9 in pass coverage
Definitely Eli’s “Unstoppable int Machine” Manning’s fault.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
Greg Jones at +3.0
…hooo diddly!
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
And Williams gets all the ink
shrugs shoulders and thinks about a certain Eagle fan and his obsession with JPP
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Leave Antrel alone he's doing a good job this year
yet he’s getting so much hate but I guess some of thoose negative numbers are because of some penalties
damn tolly
stop sucking so much!
no wonder the giants are -9.9 in pass coverage with that lout up there
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
i always forget how much of the upper line that blocks
stop sucking so much!
no wonder the giants are -9.9 in pass coverage with that lout up there
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I expected Boley and Antrel to be higher, and Grant to be lower. The rest seem about right.
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
my thoughts exactly
I thought that Boley was having his best year as a Giant ever. Am I that mistaken?
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 25, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well...take the Naaman Roosevelt TD vs. Buffalo for example
while people are point the finger at Rolle, Tryon, Webster…
it was Boley who screwed it up from jump street.
TeamJPP
And this stuff is mainly opinion
when these guys look at the film thats what they see
doesn’t make em right
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Someone forgot to correct Eli's number...
-5 for being Peyton’s brother…-3 for not being Phillip Rivers…-3 for not being a leader…-25 for last season’s INTs…
I could go on but I’m fairly confident that the numbers will show that Eli Manning is the worst human being to ever try to do anything, anywhere, and at anytime.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Eli would be lucky
to wash Tebow’s game-worn pants…. -15 points right there
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli's helmet size.....+100, though, so I can see where they got their rankings...
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Go straight to Ludicrous speed?! But Sir.....
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 25, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sir you better buckle your seat-belt
ehhh buckle this
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see anything?
You mean did I see you playing with your dolls? No.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How many a**holes do we have on this ship?
Yo!!!!!
one of the funniest movies ever
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Favorite movie.
That and Talledega Nights. That movie makes me laugh uncontrollably.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 25, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
same here
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd take ron burgundy over TN
but to each his own.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Sir, his cousin is an asshole.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 25, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that the NFL has fined every defensive player who tackled Tebow on Sunday.
Touching the Tebow is met with swift and severe consequences.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
I'm curious
What was Tebow pff grade?
by GMen56-11 on Oct 25, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not sure
but his week 7 QBR is 18, ranked toward the bottom
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone was worse?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Palmer and Boller
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That played all 60 minutes?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 25, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think each played a half
each had 3 INTs
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 25, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't Ghost just post something a day or two ago
that said PFF said that Rolle was leading all Safeties in stops and in passing yards against?!?!?!
yet they give him this grade?
i’m confused
TeamJPP
When they mean passing yards against....I thought they meant he gave up the most?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I read it as the opposite....
could be wrong….but by Ghosts enthusiasm….i doubt it.
unless he was wrong thus dictating my wrongness.
TeamJPP
I thought they said
Antrel Rolle has the most stops and passing yards given up….
but hell, who knows lol.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the verbiage was
“rolle is leading all safeties in stops (random #) and passing yards (random #)”
so the if he’s “Leading” in stops….and “leading” in passing yards….I take that as a positive.
but again…who knows.
TeamJPP
Yeah I read it the same way you did
But could be wrong. I see Andi’s point of how it could be read that way.
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most passing
Yards allowed is not a positive stat
by GMen56-11 on Oct 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What was confusing is Ghost said he was
Ranked HIGHEST in passing yards allowed…which leads one to believe he has given up the least amount of yards, or at least thats what I took away from it.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 25, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think it was what he said...
but he followed it up with a: YES!
so i just interpreted that as positive in both areas.
and frankly, while he has given up passes….some of those have in fact come w/ him playing slot CB, and when he is playing more of a traditional S….he doesn’t seem to be getting exposed at all, in fact, he’s making plays.
so again….I don’t see how it’s even possible that he’s the WORST in the league in that category. Not saying it’s obvious that he’s the BEST…but if you put a gun to my head, i would say he’s closer to “best” than “worst”.
b/c a) he simply can’t be that bad b/c he’s not even playing that much S. b) one would certainly hope that they (PFF) is conscious of the fact that Rolle is playing both S and CB positions and the yards he’s giving up are from a CB position, hence, he should be graded on both scales IMO.
but (and here’s the most important part) wtf do i know….
TeamJPP
becaose of penalities and a couple
of blown coverages
Numbers are bogus
There is no basis for these numbers, for example Tollefson is better than his number (whatever that means), Osi’s is too high considering how much he has played and his run defense is bad, JPP shoudl be higher and DD is playing much better than everyone thinks. This is only a bunch of Fantasy Fanatics guessing at numbers.
by GiantFaninColorado on Oct 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
idk about the rest, but DD is playing about as well as they showed in their numbers...
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if you've bothered to research
then you would understand the rationale. anyone who thinks metrics are perfect are idiots. it’s a tool to sue that’s better then selective bias and the bigger imeprfections of human memory.
I hate to say this....but this PFF stuff should be scrapped
I know it’s something to “consider” and not take as the gospel…. but is it even worth considering?
I mean c’mon, Grant is > Rolle?
when they make such glarring mistakes it’s hard to take anything they say w/ any legitimacy.
TeamJPP
Now that is all the evidence needed to disregard these numbers completely
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
makes sense to me
Rolle plays more than Grant. More opportunities to eff up.
by GMen56-11 on Oct 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the most you can say about Rolle
is that he’s getting beat in coverage…as a Nickel CB.
but as a Safety….he’s playing great. he supports the run like a beast.
D. Grant however is playing like hot garbage IMO. both vs. the run and pass
TeamJPP
LOL
obviously, it’s a mertic. none are perfect but I trust metrics over people who think they are professional scouts on here by watching plays on TV. no just because you say Rolle is better doens’t mean Rolle is automatically better.
ok..you're allowed
wasn’t aware I considered myself a pro scout….
but that’s fine….go believe some metrics created by guys who aren’t professional scouts either….but charge for this crap.
TeamJPP
sorry didn't see Ross's grade
and if he’s scored a +5 what is Cweb’s grade for playing much better and getting the #1 WR week in and week out?
TeamJPP
I think its +1 -> -1
grade is not posted.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
Again, these aren't stats they're opinions with numbers
ten of us could grade the plays and come up with totally different numbers
Even worse they dont tell us how the grades are distributed. MAybe one of their guys (like the infamous Bulgarian gymnastics judge) has it in for CWEB and is always much lower than the other guys. That would skew his grade.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
You sir have found one of the great secrets of life
As I have found as well, can be greatly summed up here
If you want to pay a scientist 2 million dollars that global warming happens and Mankind causes it… you will find your answer.
If you want to pay a scientist 2 million dollars that global warming happens and Mankind has nothing to do with it… you will find your answer
If you want to pay a scientist 2 million dollars that global warming is a croc of shite, and we are actually in the middle of an ice age…. you will find your answer.
Funny, the more I learn, the less I know.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
I want to change careers to $$ientist.
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NYG 27 MIA 16
Mid-season kudos to Linval Joseph and Will Beatty
Very good to see those guys in and playing well. For 2nd round draft picks, you would be disappointed if they didn’t, but there are plenty precendents in the way of draft busts of course. And nice to see Greg Jones get a good mention. We lost a lot of quality players this summer, so it’s a relief to know there are these young guys coming through.
PFF is crazy...
no mention of JWill is just ludacris. How do they come up with these flawed numbers??!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
If you "grade" between -1.0 and +1.0, they don't mention you
So assuming that’s where he is…
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"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams
was just a bit into the negative numbers. I always say these are just for information and discussion. They are certainly flawed, but when it comes to grading/judging individual players I haven’t found anyone yet with a better system.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Off subject...how can i post pics to this site??? Sorry...
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
use the green tree
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the green tree?
I don’t know how to post a pic either.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
copy the url to the pic
click the pic of the green tree
delete the http stuff that SBN puts in there
paste and click OK
then click preview to see if it works
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
right next to the chain link.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Any one know what Cantys grade was?
he looks to be playing very well this year.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Who is Diehl's back-up?
Maybe they should give him a chance. wouldn’t hurt.
Diehl listed as tackle on NYG web page, however guards who are available:
77 Boothe, Kevin G 6-5 320 28 6 Cornell
62 Petrus, Mitch G 6-3 315 24 2 Arkansas
Center but played well in relief of Bass: 63 Cordle, Jim C 6-3 320 24 1 Ohio State
Agree on Diehl
Unless Deihl really starts letting the pocket collapse on Eli, I think TC will stick with him for the year. Next year someone else will probably be there though.
Mike G swears Deihl is playing better than people think, especially lately. He watches a lot of tape is is really astute about this stuff.
Go Giants!
well he looks better simply by not playing T
I’m not educated enough on line play to really know how he’s doing at G. I just hope/assume with the cap as it is that he will not be on the roster next year
at least he didnt look like a turnstile in the last game
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Diehl
Would probably get replaced by Boothe … or Petrus if they wanted to go young.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Cordle perhaps? Or is he strictly a C since Koets isn't healthy?
Team Greg Jones
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Most important thing I came away with after reading this post....
if you’re paying for PFF grades….you should STOP NOW!
TeamJPP
by andiamo708 on Oct 25, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And strangely I look forward to seeing them
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
same. While I think some of the way they analyze stuff is a crock of poo
Its the same guys doing it for every team with the same methodology, so at least gives me a somewhat reliable way of comparing players with each other….
Team Greg Jones
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"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't cross PFF, they can get pissed!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
as soon as that penguin gets into the water, its done...
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 25, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
PFF
Taking the grades too seriously, Andi. Just use ’em for discussion and realize that, system or not, there is subjectivity in there. Which flaws any system. Besides, 3 people can look at the same play and wind up grading it +1, 0 or -1 based on what they see. I just look for overall trends ,,, like Kiwi good, Diehl bad.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
There's actually other stuff they provide
non subjective stuff, that are arguably worth the cash. If you check out JimmyK’s site, he has the snap numbers, which he gets from them.
When they were still free, I remember they’d also tell you what position they were playing (e.g we could find out how many times Kiwi played DE/LB/DT.
That’s good stuff.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
PFF numbers too high
Yes the -9.9 pass coverage is certainly deserve. It is our weakest link. Help is needed badly there.
Dave Tollefson (-8.8) ?? I thought he play much better than that.
Kind of confused on why we still pay attention to PFF, let alone
post front page stories on their stats. Just my opinion.
Fields, on the follow!
by nygmp42 on Oct 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
Come on Ed, you gotta have better material than this stuff…
The Tollefson thing does make sense
it doesn’t mean he’s a terrible player, but a lot of times when he’s playing DT (not his fault) there’s lots of big runs. That’s probably why he’s got such a negative number.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
here's a thought
don’t play a guy who weighs less than 260 lbs at NT
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