New York Giants Notes: Over the Bye And Through The Woods Edition
by Mike Farley on Oct 24, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintOkay, so now that our off-Sunday is in the rear view mirror, we can focus on the next task at hand. Immediately, that means the hapless 0-6 Miami Dolphins on Sunday. But in the bigger picture, that means the next ten Sundays that will shape whether or not there are any weekends playing football for our Giants into mid-January. And we all know how awesome the schedule is, and by awesome I mean how insanely difficult it is. But let's be honest--if these Giants are going to win anything, they have to be able to beat teams like the Saints, Cowboys, Jets, Patriots and Packers. Well, maybe not that last one, but hey, if Christian Ponder can make it a game against them.....I digress, because you don't need to hear all of the things clanking around in my head right now. So let's see what bits of Big Blue News are out there this morning....
Tim Tebow Leads Denver Broncos Over Miami Dolphins - NYTimes.com
But with five minutes left and the Miami Dolphins playing prevent defense, Tebow turned into the player who inspires fans to erect billboards and opposing teams to honor him when he visits, rallying the Broncos to two touchdowns.
I'm not sure how much of that game was Tebow's will to win or the Dolphins' will to lose, but the fact that it happened and now the Dolphins come to New Jersey 0-6 kind of scares the crap out of me.
Plaxico Burress catches three touchdowns, NY Jets comeback on San Diego Chargers for 27-21 win
After another ugly start for the offense and an 11-point halftime deficit, the Jets used three touchdowns from Plaxico Burress and two key interceptions down the stretch to defeat the Chargers on Sunday, 27-21. Burress' final TD grab early in the fourth quarter was his third straight, highlighting an effort that piggybacked his no-show against the Dolphins. The receiver was criticized for his diminished abilities and lack of chemistry with Sanchez, but came through wher
Politi: Jets' Plaxico Burress proves he's still potent in red zone | NJ.com
Three times, the San Diego Chargers decided to leave 6-foot-1 cornerback Antoine Cason alone on the 6-foot-5 Burress near the end zone. Three times, Burress made the inevitable touchdown look so easy, you just hoped burning a defensive back wasn’t a parole violation. Burress had waited a long, long time for a game like this.
Well, good for Plax. I know what happened sucks and the timing of what happened always will suck to Big Blue fans, but I think most of us are happy for the guy after his showing on Sunday.
Redskins vs. Panthers: Little reason to celebrate after this performance - The Washington Post
Six games in, the season isn’t careening off the embankment. But after procuring front-row seats to the Cam Newton Show on Sunday at Bank of America Stadium — a day the defense was surprisingly worse than the offense, Santana Moss broke his hand, Tim Hightower twisted his knee and Mike Shanahan bristled when asked about his decision-making — this is no time to exhibit swag or feel good about scoring when the game is pretty much over. If any player was going to give the ball to someone Sunday, it should have been the play-making Newton and it should have come with a black-felt tip Sharpie.
Instant Analysis: DeMarco Murray was record-setting, but remember the defense he did it against | Dallas Cowboys Blog | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | The Dallas Morning News
The Cowboys easily ran past the St. Louis Rams Sunday at Cowboys Stadium . In the process, DeMarco Murray grabbed the Cowboys' single-game rushing record with a 253 yards on 25 carries. Here are my five thoughts on the lopsided outcome that allowed the Cowboys to improve to 3-3.
Kind of interesting how the NFC East is shaping up, and the next five-six weeks should really tell us a few things about it. Thankfully, the Eagles and Cowboys square off this weekend.
Giants' JPP an emerging talent - NorthJersey.com
Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell said he will cut the second-year pass rusher’s snaps by about 10 a game when Tuck returns from his lingering groin and neck injuries. Before you scream, "Why?" Fewell explains. "He’s averaging 55, maybe 60 plays a game and he’s producing good numbers right now. If we could reduce that to 40, 45 plays a game, he could produce even better numbers because sometimes he plays slow, at times," he said.
Um, okay. Well, we'll see what happens, okay Mr. Fewell? After all, Tuck and Osi are not beacons of health in general.
And hey, I'll leave you guys with a nice piece Ralph Vacchiano of The Daily News wrote over the weekend about five things the Giants need to do to win the NFC East. Now let's start talking about the Dolphins and get our boys on the board again Sunday.
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The best part of next Sunday's game...
…aside from the G-men’s ‘better be over by the 3rd quarter’ win, will be the Eagles-Cowboys game and that one of them has to lose. Hopefully it will be a show of offensive futility.
And yeah, I thought I could root for Plax, but I think that all ex-Giants would love to show them up. So, is SS12 averaging more than 1 catch a game yet?
Let's hope when Fewell says...
We think that’s because he’s winded. If he had that little breather on the sideline, he could come do some things that we feel like can accelerate his game to a different level."
That he doesn’t plan on that other level being JPP being dropped into pass coverage 50% of the time.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
zzzzzzzz
With the exception of the GB game this was the worst football Sunday I can remember….I dozed off all day ! Dolphins are in the Andrew luck sweepstakes for sure,but the Giants have to put them to rest early! Then we can get some rookies live game reps ! 10 sundays of excitement ,well 9 but I’m looking forward to seeing This Giants team “step up & make big plays”
kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk
by Mr.Williams on Oct 24, 2011 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Games this weekend
Interesting fact:
There was not a single game this weekend involving two teams with winning records.
by Midnight Blue on Oct 24, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Closest game was NYJ San Diego. Jets moved to .500 with the win.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm loving Miami this week
Most teams start slow off the bye. Miami’s offense is weak, should be a great game to tune up for the next couple of games.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
It is up to TC to make sure this team is up
and not sleeping. We saw this team bumble to a needless lose against the Seahawks.
Also, if we get ahead, I would like to see some experimentation and take the starters out.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 24, 2011 8:30 AM EDT reply actions
Well, at least we know that Washington "is who we thought they were" ...
I’m thinking we’d better win the division, because there may be no WC slot for the NFC East runner-up.
I was happy to set the Lions
get beat yesterday. Before that game I was just looking at the nfc north records and with the Lions at 5-1 it almost seemed like they would be a lock for the wild card
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
JPPs snaps
If we have about 60 def snaps per game, or 120 snaps at DE, getting JPP, Tuck and Osi 40-50 should be pretty easy
I also think, pulling him for a few snaps gives the coaches a chance to teach in game
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
My immediate reaction was...
well, if stop giving up 1st downs when we have teams in 1st or 2nd and 20
everyone will be alot fresher
and maybe… the offense could actually build a lead so Eli doesn’t have to pull the game out in 4th quarter
To my eye they were really affected by the chaos in the off season
ESPECIALLY the hurricane and the injuries
I think this team has been improving week to week, figuring out who can do what. Miami and NE are good matchups to figure stuff out on offense.
And I love the last 4 games, 3 in conference and the Jets, if they are serious they’ll win 3 or 4 of those. Isn’t that what you want a schedule to spring you into the playoffs?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I agree that they are improving week to week and should be able to play some really good ball
The unfortunate thing about the tough schedule is
like a heavyweight fight that goes the distance, even the winner looks beat to shit!!!
Getting into the playoffs with a bunch of walking-wounded doesn’t really do anyone any good except the team that gets to feast on your wornout condition.
We’ll see…
GO GIANTS!!!
The media shouldnt be praising tebow
but rather the player who ended up with the ball on that oversides try or the guy that caused the forced fumble in OT. The phins really shot themselves in the foot in this game. Suck for Luck is in full effect in Miami.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Don't forget Indy
I think Matt Moore will get a win before Painter. NO should really rise in the BCS rankings after that blowout.
Quinn must go !!
LOL
BCS rankings…..classic!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 24, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
you know the Tebow
thing is ridiculous when Greeny from Mike and Mike is the voice of reason. He’s the king of hyperbole but he called a spade a spade. He said for 56 minutes Tebow was terrible. Which he was.
Greeny's a clown.
But he was correct with this one. I tried watching some of that game and it was pure torture. If Tebow is the answer, then there was really a phuked up question being asked.
I'll take Eli over Tebow
Quinn must go !!
For all you haters out there
From RV’s article
By the way, don’t rule out Ramses Barden, who will soon be activated off the Physically Unable to Perform list. He was showing flashes last November before he got hurt, and the Giants have high expectations that he’ll be able to step right in.
BOOM
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
but he's done nothing so he sucks
/easywayout
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Let's keep an eye on RB
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 24, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That sounds familiar...
Think I’ve heard that before. Hope it actually happens but I’ll just wait until I see it before I get excited again.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 24, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
It’s comical how some are called haters because we’re waiting for some actual performance on the field before we get too excited with the return of Barden. Some wouldn’t characterize a players performance as “showed FLASH” from a player with 6 career catches.
Like you I hope it happens. I also believe it will happen with Barden.
Haters cause they dismiss him before he's even bee given a chance
Went thru it with Beatty too
He was the biggest bust ever, whoops till he’s a pretty good LT
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
don't confuse
haters with doubters. Giants fans would love nothing more than Barden to become another weapon. The problem is some BBVers post as if his return is the return of an established vet. The fact remains Barden has done very little in a Giants uniform. Some will reserve judgment.
Furthermore, since when is the likes of RV the authority on talent evaluation. I’ll trust the opinion on most BBVers before RV or any others in the media.
The fact is he has done nothing.
So who knows if he sucks or not. We shall see.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Fins
Are a good time to find out if Barden and the Prince are ready to do anything. If physically able that is…
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 24, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
you're right
he’s done more than nothing.
6 catches in parts of 2 seasons.
I'd say that the coaches should know
Which is why I posted the quote
RV is implying that the coaches have a lot of belief in Ramses and want him on field. Why wouldn’t they? 3rd and 9, Cruz and all his skills with Manny and Nicks can control the Safeties. Shorter yardage and red zone, Barden is a back breaker, if you don’t sandwich a guy like that, it’s pitch and catch for 3 yds.
He doesn’t have to be Plax2.0 to make this offense a bunch more efficient.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Coaching staff said the same about the likes of...
Sinorice Moss and Travis Beckum season after season. Like I said I’m rooting for him hard but I’ll wait and see.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
I never remember the coaches saying anything positive about Moss
And Beckum was drafted same year, same round as Barden. There is a difference between given a chance and failed and never getting an opportunity.
You should check on guys like Priest Holmes and others.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
what do you expect them to say?
Ramses is a bust. At this point we're not really expecting much
Here are Barden Career #s
6 catches for 80 Yards. Not good production for a guy who has been in the league for 3 years. Now I know he is a wee bit fragile so that why his stats are what they are. I just hope the Giants ease him slowly back because i would hate to see the Chemistry Eli Is Building with Cruz get mucked up by trying to force Barden on the field. Cruz’s #s are 19 catches for 398 just sayin.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Yes Cruz has been lucky
Barden had plenty of healthy scratches because the guys in front of him were more experienced and better. Cruz was getting ready for the deep freeze and injuries Opened the door for him. Life is a funny fickle mistress.
Remember 19 catches is barely more than 6, to worry about that chemistry is exaggerating their importance. I’d hope Eli would have no trouble connecting with both of them, and that they both get snaps. The tunnel vision on personnel has hurt us plenty of times.
Use em both. Especially Barden on 3rd and short and red zone.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Whatever helps the team win.
I’m all for it.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
we get that
Barden has had some opportunities just like Cruz. To date Cruz took better advantage of his opportunity.
Cruz was getting ready for the deep freeze and injuries Opened the door for him
not necessarily. Maybe, the coaches and FO didn’t make a play on Smith because they were comfortable with what they had in Cruz. We just don’t know. It’s all speculation.
that would be credible if
After screwing up in game 1 Cruz hadn’t vanished until injuries re-opened the door
If your saying that Barden should have been getting on field year 1, and pushing Nicks, MAnningham and Smith for snaps, that’s just crazy talk.
Year 2, he’s on schedule, gets his chance, plays well and blows up his ankle. Big difference between that and never getting a chance or actually playing and doing nothing.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
A month ago
Barden had more catches than Cruz
So lets see what happens when Eli tosses some fades into the end zone
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
How is he fragile?
He’s had one injury. And it’s not like it was a pulled muscle or a sprain, he shattered his ankle.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This
where did this injury tag for him come from… one injury does not make you fragile
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting a bit worried...
I hope the earthquake in Turkey doesn’t have an impact on Thanksgiving dinner.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
wouldn't that mean there's more birds available?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I think the Giants eat Eagles
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 24, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
when Prince comes back
Rolle will be back as a true safety and there should be less breakdowns in the secondary because everyone will be in their natural position
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Oct 24, 2011 9:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hopefully
But I doubt it
It is gonna take some time for the kid to see a lot of snaps
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
y?
Cant they do the same thing they’re going wit Cweb? Lock him up on a certain guy & tell him to go play football.
Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Scary game coming up
Last time we had a gimme game put in front of us, we lost to Turnoverus Jackson and Charlie Whitehead. Giants have a habit of playing down to the compition which is cause for a lot of these win ugly games. This should not be a win ugly game. I’m not saying that the Gmen should stomp the Fish the way NO did Indy last night, but this one should not be left to question. If Carr is not in for mop up duty, I’ll be slightly disappointed.
Quinn must go !!
I thought Hawks and Cards played better than their rep
They weren’t good, but they weren’t pushovers. The NFC West still weak but not a joke anymore
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
SF is the only reason the NFC west is not as much of a joke
The only games Zona and Seattle played better than their reps was vs the Giants, they’ve been terrible otherwise.
Seemed like middle 50 % teams to me
I always figure there are 8 top teams
8 bottom teams and the rest are somewhere in between
Like are the Eagles bottom as their record suggests?? I figure them for in the middle
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
+1
Not sure why everybody thinks the G-Men are going to walk all over Miami. They’ve lost to one of the worst teams in the league at home and got ripped apart by a mediorce Rex Grossman. This game will be a dog fight. The Giants have played down to every terrible oppenet they’ve played this year. I think the Giants win but I’m sure they’ll be trailing at halftime and have to comeback to win yet again.
because some of us
have some hope and semblance that the Giants remember that they’re a pretty good team and Miami is a really, really, REALLY bad team.
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 24, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ripped apart?
Rex Grossman put 21 points on the board against NO pass rush (Tuck and Osi were out that game)…give any quarterback all day to throw and they will rip any team apart (see Matt Cassel when he filled in for Tom Brady). The Seahawks game was an anomaly…not the norm.
Let’s not mention how they have quality wins over the Eagles and Bills, just mention their two losses and the deficiencies there and go off that to make your analysis
In trying to scramble out of a hole, it sometimes digs it deeper. ~Wellington Mara
I always root for the defense. ~Wellington Mara
Did you watch Miami yesterday
They make Az and Seattle look like playoff teams
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
The Saints running up the score on the Colts was tasteless
It’s going to come back bite them in the ass.
For all of Coughlin’s faults, at least he has class.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Yeah no need to run up the score
Cost me money to.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I took the over (48)
Thought it would be 35-21 or something like that…not 62-7
In trying to scramble out of a hole, it sometimes digs it deeper. ~Wellington Mara
I always root for the defense. ~Wellington Mara
Padding his stats
Brees padded his season stats with a 31 of 35 for 325yds and 5TD performance against a hapless Colt defense. Scored on 9 consecutive possessions. Raised his QB rating by like 10 pts and TD-Int from a mediocre 13-8 to 18-8.
Up 21-0 after 1Q, 34-7 at half and 48-7 after 3Q, Payton left Brees in the whole game to run up score and pad stats…
I hope Colts return favor in future when Eli’s brother returns….
Not that it was any class at all
but Brees was removed late 3Q.
Regardless, it was not very sportsman like at all.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 24, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
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This should wake up the Colts.
Time to wake up. The future will not have Peyton forever, better start planning a rebuild soon.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 24, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Blowouts are kinda touchey
So do we impliment the mercy rule and really make the opposing team feel like crap.
Announcer: Due to the score being 48-7, and the Colts being absolute crap, we are calling this game at 3:34 of the 3rd quarter. Congrats to the Saints and good LUCK to the Colts. Thank you for coming this evening.
Quinn must go !!
Eli's brother's return
It may just be me, but I think the Colts are playing the way they are because Big Bro’s best days may be behind him. A few more games like this and it’s hello Mr. Luck.
Quinn must go !!
Peyton was Peyton last year.
Not like he’s going to forget how to be the best Qb in football from a neck injury. He’ll be fine next season, he’s got 2-3 years left.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and the Colts thought that he would be ready for the start of the season
Peyton is not coming back from a simple neck injury, he has some nerve damage. he may come back but not at the laser, rocket arm that he once was. He may have 2-3 years left, but they will be 2-3 years that he is compared to Eli and not the other way around.
Quinn must go !!
Tough spot for Indy
They have to pin their hopes an that idea. But he could easily never fully recover from that neck injury at his age and given the severity and chronic nature of the injury thus far. And then they wasted another year waiting for him. If they get a shot at Mr. Luck, I’m sure they will take him and sort out there options once Peyton’s long term health is determined. But I think Miami will win the honor anyway.
Go Giants!
I think Miami gets him too.
Colts were competitive in most of their games before last night. They’ll play a mediocre team and squeak out a win.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Except Brees came out a little more than half way through the 3rd. Don't make things up, it's not very flattering.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad - apologies
I turned off game at half – boxscore only has one QB listed for New Orleans so I assumed he was in the whole way…
My bad – apologies
Their backup played about 20 minutes, and they ran every play.
They didn’t throw from 4 minutes left in the 3rd to the end of the game. It’s why it wasn’t running up the score. They ran the ball to kill time, and the Colts were still getting gashed. They gave up 2 TD drives where the Saints ran EVERY play. That’s awful. Shameful. The lack of effort the Colts players gave on defense, they deserved to lose that bad, honestly.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
24 seconds left in the 3rd quarter
was when the change was made.
And to your comment below Bree’s last touchdown came with less than two minutes left in the 3rd quarter
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I would love to see the Giants win 62-7
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
At this point I’d have to think the only way the Giants put up 62 points is if we let the other guys get around 58 or so. Wouldn’t be right unless we keep it interesting. I swear, I think the coaching staff, players, owners, or someone connected to this team must be major investors in heart medications or antacids.
by Midnight Blue on Oct 24, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
The Saints did not throw a single pass the entire 4th Quarter and still got 14 points. The starters were also out by the end of the game. They had 3 RBs that that had at least 10 carries and all of which were around 6 yards a carry or higher. The score got as high as it did cause the Colts basically were not trying, not sure what else to say. Unless you are saying they should have just kneeled the ball for the last 15 minutes.
by Midnight Blue on Oct 24, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
And they did not throw a pass that was thrown more than 5 yards down field after the second quarter.
by Midnight Blue on Oct 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that it was more tasteless
of Indy’s D not even trying to stop them. You’ve got 11 millionares on the defensive side of the ball that get paid to stop teams from scoring. These 11 guys robbed the Colts organization last night.
Quinn must go !!
by njgiant on Oct 24, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not college
So I agree with you. This idea that teams should take the foot off the pedal in any pro sport doesn’t wash with me. It is an idea that starts in kids sports as you grow up and shouldn’t piss all over lesser competion. It’s a good idea then. But pro’s should play 100% till coach decides to pull them out. Anything less leaves you open to injury and messes up the timing they work so hard to refine.
Go Giants!
Indy's D Players
could see this whole season as a wash and could just be playing easier to come back fully healthy for next year
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Oct 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then they should request to be deactivated.......without pay.
Come back when Peyton comes back.
Quinn must go !!
They didn't run up the score. They played second stringers for a quarter and half against the Colts starters.
And those second stringers beat the Colts starters. You don’t wanna give up 62 points, try trying. I’ve never seen a game where a team has looked so disinterested in playing the game. NO’s last TD was on a pick 6. Brees wasn’t even in the game. They didn’t run the score up at all. They stopped passing and started running, and the Colts still couldn’t stop it when they knew they were going to run the rest of the game. Brees had all his passing yards by half way through the 3rd quarter, they ran the ball for over 200 yards. This is all on the Colts.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Brees shouldn't have even been playing the start of the 2nd half
Brees played all but 24 seconds of the third quarter.
Two of his touchdowns came in the third quarter when they were winning 34-7.
Sean Payton played that like he wants his other leg to be broken by karma.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Couldn't disagree more.
What are they supposed to do? By that logic, they should have stopped throwing to start the 2nd quarter. He played it as well as he could have. Once they hit the 50’s, he was going to catch shit no matter what. They ran the ball for a quarter and a half, without passing, and still scored 2 TDs. The blame rests solely on the Colts D. You don’t wanna get embarrassed, than try. Otherwise, you have no room to complain about it. Do something about it or shut up. It’s pro sports, not college, they are all getting paid. Have some pride and give a little effort. It looked like the Colts D was on vacation and they called my old HS’ JV team’s defense to play for them. If I’m the Colts D, I wouldn’t dare complain about the Saints scoring 62 points. I’d take a long hard look in the mirror, and ask myself if I should cut the team a refund check for that piss poor excuse the called playing defense.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't watch the game
But 3 times the final score of a game has been 62-7. The Saints have been on the wrong side of that before.
I’m not excusing the Colts defense at all, I’m saying the Saints had absolutely no class there and karma is going to bite them in the ass
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
were they supposed to kneel the ball for a quarter and a half?
No class how? They ran for over a quarter straight and the Colts still couldn’t stop them. What were they supposed to do, have the offense refuse to take the field. There wasn’t anything less they could do.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
They passed 12 times in the 3rd quarter
when they were already winning by 4 scores. Take out the INT return, it’s still 55-7, which is nothing more than running up the score.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
And all those passes were less than 5 yards, essentially runs.
Not like they were throwing the ball to move the chains. Come off it.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Still passes
Brees got sacked once in the 3rd quarter. If you don’t think so, that’s your beliefs.
But for me, see the sig.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Bree in the third quarter
He did not throw any passes longer than 4-5 yards past the line of scrimmage. They were all basically runs done through the air.
by Midnight Blue on Oct 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
completely disagree
how much of a lead do u need to have in order to start being classy? The game is played for 60 minutes. BOTH TEAMS need to play for all 60 minutes. What more can the Saints do but put in their backups & keep runing the offense?
Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
a 30 pt lead
is more than enough vs a team that’s shown no signs of life in any game.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Brutal schedule for NFC East rest of way
I think 9-7 could win this division.
total joke watching that
Im just happy i never see the Gmen do that we run the clock, use backups and use the victory formation when we get good a lead
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Plax and Barden
Good for Plax, he paid his dues and got a moment in the spotlight again yesterday. But I’m still glad Plax is a Jet and not a Giant. I like our wides. Last night showed us what I expected him to be for the Jets, which is primarily a great red zone threat. I still think he’ll end up on the shelf with an injury at some point, given his age. As was pointed out, his burst and separation are no longer what they were. But on a short field, his length and experience make him an excellent option.
And I still think Barden will be a great short field option like Plax is now for the Jets. Trueblue is right. A few weeks ago Cruz was right where Barden is now. Largely unknown and a question mark. The coaches liked what they saw in practice and now we see it too. I’ll take my cues from the coaches and the QB. They liked Barden’s potential, and I’m hoping he rewards the patience they’ve had in him ( just barely, in TC’s case). Looking forward to what he can do in the second half if they put him on the field. Trust the coaches guys. They know, we just speculate.
Go Giants!
Vacc's piece was good but it's got to scare you a little
most of what he is suggesting the Giants need to do has been what the Giants have been trying to do since training camp opened. Run the ball, play better D, find a 3rd WR etc. . . and through 6 games they’ve have not shown they can do any of those things with any sort of consistancy. Running the ball and the defensive problems are going to be tough to correct those are personal not coaching issues. The older guys on the O-line are breaking down and Hynoski and Ballard have been poor blockers. The secondary is riddled with injuries and who knows when or if Prince makes any impact this year, and Tuck lets just keep our fingers cross.
Only way Giants make the playoffs is Eli plays out of his mind like he has for the most part this season. He is the only reliable aspect of the Giants team right now and if he can pull a Brady, Brees, or big brother and carry and otherwise mediorce team into the playoffs he will be an MVP canadate like those guys are everyyear.
They found a 3rd Wr.
And they ran the ball last game. The o-line needs to keep playing well, like last game, and they’ll run the ball. The defense needs to get it together, but that will happen over time, imo.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Consistantly is the key
They ran the ball well last week they need to continue to do that. Cruz is a very good 3rd WR at times and at times he stinks. Consistancy and they need to show they can do this week in week out not on occasion that wan RV as saying and thats what worries me is going up to NE and not being able to run the ball and our O goes 3 and out the first 4 possesions and NE is up 17-0 real quick or we’re in a dogfight with NO and we need a key first down on the game winning drive we call the right play Eli throws a perfect pass to Cruz but he tips it in the air or runs the wrong route and it get picked. Thats the crap that scares me, too maney what ifs with this team.
Running game vs Bills
We only had a 3.7 yard average – that’s not running the ball well. And it’s worth checking where the Bills’ run defence is ranked in the NFL………30th.
find a 3rd WR
didn’t they do that already? CRUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on man Cruz
he has made some plays so I understand the excitment but he’s not relible at all. He screwed up twice big time vs Seattle that let to 10 Seattle points. He got lucky in the Zona game that the officicals said he “gave himself up” if not he would of been the goat of the season to this point, and all season long he’s run bad routes in the slot and dropped as many easy balls as great catches that he’s had.
The Giants need a guy that can move the sticks , be reliable over the middle to get first downs, run the propper route ALL OF THE TIME, and Cruz has not shown he can do that at all. He’s a big play outside WR who brain farts his way through games, more or less he’s Manningham. Nice to have but not what the Giants offense needs.
We need a Steve SMith or Amani Toomer type. Reliable sure handed guy who might not make the big play but prevent a lot of 3 and outs with clutch 3rd receptions and are ALWAYS on the same page as Eli. I’m really not tyring to piss on Cruz, love the kids development and applaued his improvement but did’nt we all get wet over Manningham after the Dallas game two years ago and since then he’s been a combination of great plays and brain farts that kill this team. Seems like we found his clone in Cruz and we need another Amani or SMitty.
Steve Smith is sure handed?
Didn’t he give us a gift of a pic vs. the Eagles? Wasn’t he responsible for some of those tipped ball INTs Eli had last year?
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets not front on SS
He did give us a 100 catch year, so yeah, he was pretty sure handed.
Quinn must go !!
And the INT in SB 42
but I’m not gonna rip on Smith, he was great for the Giants
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Smith is more sure handed than Cruz
you’re using one play to some up a guys carrer becasue your pissed at him. Cruz dropped one against Buffalo, Wash, and Philly and ran the wrong route vs Seattle that tipped the ball and casued a pick on a similar play the SMitty ran the year before vs Seattle inside the 10 the went for a TD.
Again don’t get me wrong I like Cruz and hope he continues to improve but the coaches are not even singing his praises becasue they even know he keeps screweing up hell he was benched for Hixon after the first week of the season as the # 3 guy.
If I recall Smitty was only resposnible for one of Eli’s tipped picks last year vs Dallas, and that pass was a bit high for Smith. Nicks actually was the culprit on most of them last season if I recall correctly.
I'm not mad at him, he has the right to do whatever he wants.
Why would I be mad that he went to a team where he has LESS of a chance to succeed? He’s just not as sure handed as you make him out to be. The tipped pass against us this year wasn’t his first rodeo. I don’t even like Cruz that much, I’d rather see Devin Thomas or Ramses or Jernigan for that matter.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Not ripping on Smith
but didn’t he lead the team in drop percentage last year?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He was second.
Boss dropped something like 25% of the targets he got.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, thanks
forgot about Boss
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
yeaaaa......
35 catches, 64 targets, 16 drops, something along those lines. In other words, not very good.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he's not as sure handed as I remember but he was still very good.
but he always ran the right routes and made the right adustment and thats more of the issue with Cruz and even Manningham for that matter. Again go back to the pick 6 vs Seattle, or even the 3rd and gaol play vs Buffalo that was almost picked on the drive in which the Giants kicked the game winning FG, Cruz ran bad routes on both of them. Against Seattle in the Red Zone last year the Giants run the same exact play with Smitty, Eli guns it in there Smitty gets it and its a TD, thats the kind of stuff they miss and thats only one obvious example I can’t imagine how many times durring the corse of the game these guys are scrweing up that we don’t even notice.
Smitty was a technician
His hands were good, and his route running was excellent, I think the thing that excites fans about Cruz is he has somthing Smith never showed he could do, turn a routine catch into a TD
by Late for Dinner on Oct 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree somewhat
but not sure how you do that easily.
I think Ballard will be used more frequently on 3rd down, some Cruz.
Will it be Barden? I do not think so because he gets injured. They will try him but not that sanguine about it.
Don’t see anyone else that we currently have.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
So Barden breaks his ankle
last year and he is now labeled injury prone….
Makes sense
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Giants need a guy that can move the sticks
true but Ballard has stepped up has a 3rd down target. What did you expect from a undrafted second year player like Cruz… to come right in a be Mr. 3rd down. He has gotton better with getting off the line quicker for a quick strike pass to the marker, there’s no reason he won’t improve.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is Cruz is not Mr. Third down
He’s Mr. Outside big play guy and the Giants are forcing him to be Mr. Thridown and he might have the skill set to do it but he’s young and might not be as sharp as other WR’s thats the problem . JJ showed he’s not ready as a rookie so the Giants really have no other options. I thought maybe a 4 year vet like Manninham could play some slot and be that guy while Cruz played on the outside but he can’t handle much more responsibility either so the Giants have two very nice #2 WR big play guys to complement a dominate #1 Nicks but they don’t have a Mr. Third down and they need that in the worst way.
Also
Ham carried this WR core last year during the injury span and gets very little credit for. Not many “brain farts” from him last year
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea Ham was putting up 100 yard games
when Smith and Nicks weren’t playing. How quickly some forget. But Cruz should definitely start over him.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 24, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Its easy to rip on him
cause his Football IQ is like 3, so he becomes a goat
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right Ham did well
but if you remember those games they were vs Jacksonville, Wash, and Minny. Derrick Hagan actually had very good games as the third down guys vs Jacks and Wash and our run game pummeled Wash and Minny so Manningham did not have to do more than what he traditional does, make a few big plays. Again I like Ham he’s just not very reliable week in week out, great big play guy but not dominate like Nicks, or consistantly relible like Smith and Toomer was and they need that.
Agree on Hagan
he was good in the slot last year. But don’t throw dirt on the Jaguar game last year, they were tied for 1st in the South at the time and Ham had a big TD in the 4th Q to help get the victory
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 24, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
They don't need to beat all those play-off teams
They just need to sweep the five remaining division games. Do that and they will win the division. And they are good enough to do that.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 24, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
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