My Last Eli Manning Post
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
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I just read a FanPost. It is titled In Defense of Eli: Enough is Enough. It's a great post, you should read it. It's got a lot of truth to it, and quite frankly sounds a lot like something I would write.
It got me thinking though, so I'm writing this post. It’s going to be quite long and personal, so I apologize in advance for that, and I also apologize if I offend anyone.
There is no question that for years on this site (and others like it) I was the loudest voice in favor of Eli Manning. Often times, more often than I’d like in fact, I was one of a very small few. I came to this blog day after day and quite literally sought out detractors who had the audacity to question the abilities of our starting QB. I dared anyone to show me undeniable evidence of why Eli shouldn’t be considered a top quarterback. I laughed at those who said we’d be better off with Big Ben, Rivers, or Romo, and held my ground when meaningless statistics seemed to prove they were right. Many times I was called foolish, a homer, or just down right stupid, but I persisted. I wrote posts about how he was a future Hall of Famer, how he was indeed elite, how he deserved to be recognized as one of the leagues best, and how he will go down as the greatest quarterback in Giants history. Many times I found myself getting riled up to the point where I questioned a number of fans allegiance, when they couldn’t get behind such an obviously great quarterback. As the years went on, these posts and comments became less of a joke to my fellow Giants fans, and more of a reality that they too saw in front of them.
I see that post today, and I feel like it won’t be met with much of an argument from any Giants fans. In fact, it would be downright silly to argue it at this point. And I guess I really don’t know what to make of it. Last year at this time there was a post written by a gentlemen by the name of PaulieKnucklez who lambasted Eli up and down. There were Giants fans that actually agreed with it. This year? Someone posted a similar "Eli Hate" post, and it was met with nothing but hilarious movie quotes completely unrelated to his horrible post. There’s also been weekly updates on Eli stats this season…it’s clear the Eli love is through the roof in 2011. If I’m being honest I took great pleasure in being the one to show how wrong the detractors were. I always had a lot of fun defending Eli when so many others thought he was so obviously inferior. I truly felt like I knew something the unfortunately misinformed did not, and I was all too happy to layeth the knowledge smackdown on them. Two years ago that post that AKMORA wrote would not have been written. No one would have taken a stand to compare Eli to Peyton, and if they had it would have been laughed at by a good few. But today, now that those same meaningless statistics appear to match the product I and others have seen on the field since 2007, are people really now going to so easily say that YES Eli Manning is a great quarterback? And that YES we as Giants fans should recognize this? Am I no longer going to feel this duty inside of me to remind everyone what greatness we have at the most important position in all of sports?
I must admit this is really making me think. Has Eli Manning officially arrived? I spent hours upon hours in comment sections of my life defending this man like my fandom depended on it. At first I was one of few, but I feel…I guess I hope anyway, that the many Fanposts I wrote in some small way helped build the army of Eli fans that can be found on this site today. Will Eli no longer be seen as the little brother? Will Eli finally get his due? I don’t care, I never cared, but it seems like this is exactly what’s happening.
I always knew that this franchise was only going to go as far as Eli took it, maybe that’s why I took it upon myself to set up a bunker in his corner, and fire shots at anyone willing to attack it. I love the Giants, but to me…and this might piss some people off…Eli Manning is the Giants. He represents them in every way you wish a Giant would. He’s quiet, humble, and as classy a guy off the field you could wish for. He never pushed blame on others, when so many opportunities arose for him to do so, and never fully accepts praise when it’s clear he was the reason for a successful stretch. Looking at last season, it would have been easy for Eli to say "Yea, we had some tipped passes and a rag-tag group of recivers, that’s why I threw 25 interceptions." Instead he simply shouldered all the blame and promised us he was not a 25 interception quarterback. He's lost so many countless weapons on offense over the years, but still consistently put up better numbers every year with new and young talent.
In the beginning of the season he said he was in Tom Brady’s class. "Snicker snicker" went the national media and fans alike. Who’s snickering now? This brings me back to my question: Has Eli Manning finally arrived? I don’t know. I honestly have not seen that drastic a change in his performance other than his willingness to accept more sacks, which I predicted he would do before the season. I have always seen him as a great quarterback, and so far this year the god damn meaningless numbers just so happen to be justifying it. WIll opposing fans ever give Eli his due? I doubt it, his polarizing nature, and the fact he is the younger brother of one of the greatest QBs of all time make it hard for me to believe that he will.
But the more important question, is one thing I have been trying to achieve since my very first Fanpost years ago, and that is: Have the Giants fans arrived in getting fully behind Eli Manning? I think they have, and I think my work here is done, even if it was never needed in the first place.
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I been in the trenches on the western front, brother
My 2nd post!
Just wanted you to know that your story is mine, but I never got with the program until today. Sorry about that, but know that I’ve been on the frontlines in San Diego, the Mecca for hate of Eli, and home to that redneck rivers. Every day, since he was drafted, I have defended him against those that hate him so. I’m with you on ALL counts. Great qb, great kid. And if he throws 5 picks vs Miami? Well so be it. Big bro has been there and done that. Great post. Take care.
by AKMORA on Oct 19, 2011 2:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sounds like we have a strongly fortified bunker out there on Left Coast.
Wish I would have known sooner. Carry on good Sir.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Rock on AKMORA.
I think I will always remember today as a turning point.
The day I realized that the minority is now those who see Eli as “just another quarterback”, while the majority see him as the once in a lifetime player he is.
Good luck out there this season, Rivers seems poised for a playoff run…
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
san diego
I too live in the San Diego area. There is an irrational hate for Eli here. He could win the next 5 super bowls and still be garbage in the eyes of people here. What I dont understand is why ESPN doesnt seem to like him. ESPN loves all things Yankees, but seems to have something against the Giants. That is a very odd thing to me. Of course I live on the West Coast and ESPN could care less what I think.
haha! doesn’t seem that way from the perspective of a Padres fan. ALL they talk about is the Yankees and the Red Soxs.
they talk about the Yankees a lot, sure
but they hate the Yankees. On the other hand they’re all Red Sox homers.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Awwww
Woe is you.
Take those 8000 Championships and cry me a river. No one loves you.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I tried crying, but all the championship banners are like a dam
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
free is right
Espn hates the nyy. © wallace matthews.
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by andiamo708 on Oct 19, 2011 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amen
In ELI we trust
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
Loud internet blog applause to you for this one tito.
Your love of Eli, your sense of pride, is just dripping off the screen. As it should be. I have no problem with the “I told you so” aspect of your post. Because you did, “tell them so.”
I only wish I could have found BBV sooner than I did. Sooner than that Monday after MM2. i would have really enjoyed reading your posts in 2008 and 2009 defending Eli. And I would have joined in. See, I have had to defend Eli myself to two very good friends since 2004, both Giants fans. And I have gladly taken up arms for the cause.
Eli IS the best QB this team has ever had, possibly it’s best leader, and my favorite Giant of all time. And my fandom goes back to the 1970’s. God bless Ernie Accorsi for believing in Eli, and for convincing Giants ownership that it was ok to give up all those draft picks for him, so that once he was a Giant he told Wellington Mara: “This kid is going to win you a championship, and he’s going to win you more than one.”
He got the first part right….
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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You ever read his book?
The Making of a Quarterback?
Truly a great read.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Twice. :-)
And I gave it as a Birthday present to both of those knucklehead friends I mentioned above.
Have you read Ernie Accorsi’s book GM. Another outstanding read for us Giant fans.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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I have not
I’ll be sure to pick it up.
I too got that book as a gift for someone, my dad. Biggest Eli detractor there ever was.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I have read that from you before.
Has he come around?
BTW, I never get tired of that pic you posted above.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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He'll never come around
He will never admit defeat, much like his son lol
That pic, is the pic that will define Eli’s career for me, regardless of what he does from this point forward.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Like his son. :-)
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Disagree on the pic
this one says it all
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Man do I want to see that reaction from him again.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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i have this pic framed on my wall
its from a different angle but still my fav
Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Same with my papou (grandfather)
Love him to death, but he still likes Kerry Collins and thinks we’d have been better if we kept him.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
really is good
Especially the breakdown on Hufnagel and how complex his offense was for a rookie and how it almost derailed his career. I tell my friends all the time if Eli had a the colts or Pats O coordinator he would put numbers up that would make your head spin.
Wish I could have seen
The big plays from Y.A. Tittle…but yes, Eli will be LT’s counterpoint on Offense (for the Giants of course).
i guess it's one of those days....
today at MG’s place i read an article w/ him praising Webster…mind you two years ago after the V. Jackson TD he scoffed at the idea that Cweb could play bump and run w/ #1 WRs
mind you this was after his ’08 campaign when he was a beast.
but now suddenly, Webster has arrived…and it’s all thanks to Perry Fewell who challenged him to match up w/ #1 WRs.
pardon me while i go throw up my catfish sandwich.
and oh btw….good post….
and another btw…it’s a long ass season so don’t expect the “eli sucks monkey balls” FanPosts to go away either….you know how it works over here.
TeamJPP
I was actually thinking about you as I wrote this
You, Ghost, and myself have kind of created an identity on this web site with our various favorite players, so it’s probably only natural that we’d feel a bit…I don’t even know what really…when they get the praise from others that we’ve been telling everyone else they deserve.
And don’t get me wrong, I completely expect Eli to get bashed to no end until the day he retires…but it seems different this year…on this web site anyway. Obviously it has everything to do with the way he’s playing, but I think if it was last year and he had the type of game he had against Seattle, people would have murdered him, and I would have been compelled to write a post defending him like I’ve done so many times. This year the negative posts happened after Seattle, but it was brushed aside…it was laughable. People don’t fall for the “Eli sucks” trap anymore after one bad game. The average fan is starting to see Eli for what he is.
I should be saying it’s about god damn time, but at the same time I guess I’m going to miss being the guy that defended Eli.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't mean to...
Steal your thunder. Everything you’ve said, it’s almost a religion to me. Day after day hearing about how bad he is, how good rivers is. Never mind strength of schedule, nevermind the weather, never mind how bad the AFC west has been. I’ve gotten mathematical in defending Eli and the giants. Breaking down chargers opponents yards per game, sacks allowed, etc. When he was growing up in the game, Eli has made me shake my head quite a few times, but they all do that, man. They ALL do. Dont know that I will continue to post here (killing my productivity at work today), but when Eli has a bad day, remember there are others out there that feel the same way you do.
by AKMORA on Oct 19, 2011 3:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't feel that way at all Akmora
You’re post was a great post. You and I clearly share the same views, along with many others. This year it seems there is something different though. I don’t know if it’s because Peyton is not playing or what, but people seem to be getting introduced to Eli Manning for the first time. We’re not the minority anymore…people are taking notice. There was once a time when you would be considered a “homer” if you believed Eli was a top quarterback. Now if you don’t…you’re just not paying attention.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There is something different this year.
He is finally becoming the QB we all knew he had the potential to be. I think part of it is mental. He became a father this off season, and from experience, that changes your whole life. Also the Giants running game has not been good this year. This team needs him to play well now more than ever before and he is rising to the occasion. It’s not that he’s just arrived though. Like you said, he’s been here all along. It’s just becoming harder for people to ignore.
Cheers! and thanks for the post.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
by BleedBigBlue on Oct 19, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
We NEED him this season more than any other. We all know he’s good but this year he’s carrying the team and thats what people r noticing. It used to be, we had the run game & that’s what made the Giants successful. Thats not the case with this season & we’re still winning.
And its Eli's fault.
Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
But he carried the team in 09 as well
We just finished 8-8
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
not in the same way
he’s projected more leadership this season. Thats part of why people r accepting him more.
Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
This roster has a huge talent upgrade from 09
Just think about the DBs
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I should be saying it’s about god damn time, but at the same time I guess I’m going to miss being the guy that defended Eli.
they’re will be other “Eli’s” for you to defend along the way Tito….
Plus, the detractors will pop up here and there….they like roaches….can never really get rid of them for good.
TeamJPP
but getting back to webster
MG points out how the last three weeks he’s basically been shadowing the opposing team’s best WR.
and frankly, how TT being injured has anythign to do w/ that is kinda beyond me, but whatever.
but he makes a note to say how he “contained” fitz, shut down Rice, and held Stevie to 5/39….
and than he gives the credit to Fewell for “challenging” him.
but does he even mention that during that three game stretch Cweb been playing bump and run? does he mention that prior to those 3 games Cweb was playing roughly 10 yards off the LOS?
does he mention how Cweb was LIGHTS OUT under Spags in bump and run?
does he mention how Cweb had to deal w/ 3 DC’s in 3 years….all w/ a different philosphy of how to play in the secondary? does he mention the debacle that was Sheridan’s Cover 2 and Cweb having to constantly look over his back at CC and Rouse, and M. Johnson?
no, instead none of this is mentioned.
just that suddenly….(now that TT is hurt)….Cweb is playing better….b/c of Fewell.
MG…get a friggin’ clue please.
but i can’t knock the guy b/c at least he’s giving props to a guy most beat writers and fans don’t even really notice.
let’s not mention how every Giants fan w/ half a brain knows damn well Cweb is better in press coverage….
TeamJPP
Damn, MG just keeps pumping out the idiocy.
You would think that somebody who covers the team for a living would pay close enough attention to figure this stuff out.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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MG is actually one of the hardest working dudes out there....
and that’s why his conclussions are a bit surprising to me.
I mean the article almost seems to praise Fewell as much or more so than Webster…..and i think he’s doing his readers a disservice.
TeamJPP
I'mn not one of those guys
who hates every TV commentator, or thinks every columnist, beat writer, radio host, etc, sucks. But Garafolo has me constantly asking myself, WTF is he talking about?
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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These guys are writers
that doesn’t automatically make them football scholars. For the most part they never played the game at any level and a lot of the time are completely clueless about sports.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
Yeah, but MG is still one of the few beat writers I really respect out there.....
……his game reviews are pretty awesome.
by The Raging Platypus on Oct 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
"I was actually thinking about you as I wrote this"
that’s cute
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
I need to rec this post as well.
Eli has been phenomenal since that historic superbowl run. It’s a shame that it’s taking so long for people to realize how special he is to our franchise.
by BrooksBridges11 on Oct 19, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
As always great work Tito
I’ve been a guy defending Eli to my father and friends as well. It’s a losing battle sometimes cause the hate is just built into some people. I understand the doubters, they want to see him play at his best all the time, that’s fair. But the nut jobs that scream “Eli is not a franchise QB, they should of drafted Player X or traded for Player Y” or “They won inspite of him on Sunday”… do they want him to fail?
Also
Someone posted a similar “Eli Hate” post, and it was met with nothing but hilarious movie quotes completely unrelated to his horrible post.
whoever started that movie quote thing was really immature and did not give the credit due to that well written essay…… :)
Anywho…. we all the minute they lose another game, a comment or post will pop up saying something like “Eli lost the locker… is not a leader… only wins with WR talent around him… throws end over end passes… is hear cause he aced Ernie’s predraft interview”.
Someone will post that… cough cough… Frankiec… cough cough.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
I think you inadvertently started an internet meme
Forever moving forward, all ridiculous posts will be met with a completely unrelated movie quote.
You are a genius, sir, whether you know it or not.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Genius may be a bit strong
Mad scientist or know-er of useless information is best to describe me. But don’t worry, my pop culture vault is ready with unrelated quotes to “great” posts.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 19, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
MY DAD THINKS ELI SUCKS TOO
its disheartening… especially since he’s the one who made me a giants fan…
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
My dad started to come around somewhat
but still does not trust him
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My father just made me
My being a fan of the Giants was just the smart thing to do.
Yes, I am saying that all fans are other football teams are as intelligent as a Cromartie ChiaPet.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
You don't know how close I was to becoming an Eagles fan...
thank god i didn’t
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The movie quotes thing is gonna stick.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Great post but
Eli will always be veiwed as an inferior to Peyton, always the little brother. Thats how the media wants it. Thats how they are going to portray him.
But its also up to us Big Blue fans to support Eli. Maybe he is a “Peyton” Maybe he is Elite. Maybe he is Brady. And maybe he’s not. But he is OUR QB. He led us to a SB, and he is almost single-handedly carrying the whole damn team this year. Show him some love guys.
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
I love how the "Eli is amazing" posts
get so many more recs and appreciation than the “Eli sucks more than Romo” posts
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
I remember a time when Rec's weren't given out but once in a blue moon.
Times have certainly changed.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
One more thing to add
I hope I never hear this phrase again
“I’ve been a Giant fan/season ticket holder since the 60’s and this is the worst I ever felt about our QB situation”
So lets break that down in one question…. the cast of characters at QB between Fran Tarkenton and Eli (not named Simms, Hostiler, Collins) these “fans” felt more comfortable with them?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 19, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
As far as I'm concerned, Eli "arrived" right here...
The Super Bowl was the icing on the cake. Boy, how sweet that icing was!!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
by nywins42 on Oct 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
great shot !!!!
sad its the first time seeing it.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
PaulieKnucklez...... lol
don’t know or dislike the guy but the name can so easily be mocked.
FYI i still think Eli is know better then the Sanchize..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I wish our QB
was doing GQ spreads every year
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 19, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of this
great work
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 19, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Here I am!!!
Sigh and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!
I'm newer here, just in the last year, but I always thought the Eli hate was absurd
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
New York fans.
Lemme first say I’m an Eli supporter. You have to be if you root for this team, he’s our QB and as he goes we go.
But this is NY, and right or wrong, mostly wrong, the support for anyone only carries them as far as their next start. We are a hypercritical bunch. We celebrate the smallest plays that help us win, and we lambaste guys that slipped on an ice patch that cost us 6yds. This is a town that as recently as this year, booed Jorge Posada, and wanted Jeter benched for his at the time poor hitting… yeah booed the guys that helped the Yankees win how many World series titles?
I believe there is a true appreciation for Eli amoungst the Giant faithful, but noone, and I do mean NOONE is safe from criticism here. Especially when you are the easiest scapegoat, at the most visible position, on the top team, of the top sport, in the nations number one media market.
Bottom line is this, In NY, if you are a top talent your work will be appreciated, and then expected. Once a player has raised the bar of the fans to expect greatness, nothing else will do. And when that player is gone, then and only then have they arrived in the hearts of the New York faithful.
You down wit JPP?
It's October
Eli always plays well in October. Don’t get me wrong I am an Eli fan, but I’m waiting for the real test before throwing a parade.
Team Juggernaut: Jacobs, Hynoski. No one is safe
you mean like this?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 19, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Eli is so awesome, so cool, so in control,
that even in this pressure packed moment, he actually POINTS to where he is going to throw it as he is making the play! lol
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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LOL
Go that way and I’ll hit ya!!!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
LOL!!!
It really is amazing that he is able to play QB in the NFL with that lobster boy left arm of his. lol
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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The funny thing is I've seen this picture a million times
and never noticed Eli’s “strong hand” lol.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 19, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the only thing about Eli that bothers me.
On just about every one of his throws he does the “weird arm” thing.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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It's on purpose
If you tuck your other arm in, you avoid the flail that can set you off balance and take away from accuracy
Watch baseball pitchers, they do it all the time
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
yeah, I know,
but in typical Eli fashion, his arm tuck, to me, looks awkward. :-)
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Eli's a bit stiff
(at least that’s what she said)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Tito we've shared bunkers together on the Eli issue
Now we get to sit back and watch the rest of the world wake up to the coffee we’ve been drinking since 2004. I’m one of the VERY few fans that supported Eli even before that great Jan/Feb of 08!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
Had my authentic jersey
When he was named the starter.
But I reserve the right to complain about any member of any team I’l ever root for. To me it’s a part of being a fan of the team more than just one guy. If I see something that directly cost the Giants the game, I don’t care who it was that F’d up… I’m still gonna call em out on it.
Love this guy and hope he really has put the consistency issues in the rearview mirror.
You down wit JPP?
+1
I rant and rave about him during and right after games but come monday morning I’m back in his corner.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
I do the same thing
I’ll yell my head off at him, and call him a bonehead when he is one.
I’ll also cheer like hell when he does the great things he’s capable of, which is certainly more often than not.
All said and done, I would want no other leading the helm here for our Big Blue.
In the words of Rorschach44...
“teet.”
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 19, 2011 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
Nothing wrong with wearing your colors on your sleeve
I get how you feel. I was a regular at another space, found this place when I was desperately looking for pre-draft info, and Ed and some guy named Free Bradshaw were posting some great stuff. Even better was the spirited comments that were more smart than anything else.
I stopped posting there, cause I just couldn’t bear to post another comment defending Eli or JR. The blind hate just used to burn me up.
I knew Eli had the potential for greatness in year two, Bronco’s game. But till the playoff run in 07 I was never sure if he would get it together all the way. But here is what makes me crazy. Through 2008, he was playing just under MVP football when Plax shot himself. At that point, the hating should have subsided. But no it was back in force.
And for the record, Forget the stats, Eli’s play has definitely elevated this season. He is throwing nicer passes, they are tighter and guys are breaking stride less frequently. He is more assertive on the field (though remarkably still not a douche). Some of it is undoubtably about having more weapons, but some is Eli. It’s actually not all that unusual, plenty of QBs improve dramatically and play their best ball between 30-38.
Anyway, I hope this isn’t your last Eli post.
Recd
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Rec'd as you knew I would
Tito your posts are always amazing but your Eli love is what keeps me reading!
GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!
Sigh...
I have often said that statistics rarely move me when I consider the caliber of a football player. I tend to draw my conclusions based on eyeball tests. Eli is, and has always been, an enigma to me. As you seem to be saying in your own way Tito, performance-wise; Eli goes from one end of the spectrum to the other in such a volatile manner that it is hard to get a read on whether he is an upper crust QB or not. It is this paradox that lies at the core of my arguments regarding just how good he really is compared to other top QBs.
A couple days ago, I posted a comment stating that Eli plays his best football when he is not in the spotlight. Many of my fellow BBvers misinterpreted what I meant when I made this statement. What I mean is that when Eli is the main media subject of praise after a great performance, he seems to approach the next game trying to live up to the THEIR version of who he is rather than living up to HIS version of who he is. He knows his limitations and he knows his strengths. When he plays in accordance with HIS version of who he is, he plays so much better.
Whether he is elite or not; in the same class as Brady; etc. I have decided to walk the road you are choosing now Tito, I won’t argue that any more. I will praise him when he performs while and question his judgement when he does not. However, I will admit that he has started to win me over with his great performances which has progressively become more consistent over the past three years. I have always respected your arguments when you defended him. I may not have agreed all of the time but you have a way of making even the biggest doubters step back and think about a negative conclusion that we may have drawn about Eli. Keep it up.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 19, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
You da man Lo.
I always respected your opinions regarding Eli because they were never “blind hate”. Always rational, and well thought out. Eli is one of the most polarizing figures in all of sports. He’ll never be truly accepted by the masses. The important thing though, that I feel is a truth these days….is that no longer are those who are 100% behind Eli the minority. Giants fans are coming around, and I for one couldn’t be happier.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
its easy to say now
but I’ve been an Eli fan since April of 2004. I prayed for us to draft him. And was angry as hell for about 2 hours after SD picked him, we took Rivers & no trade was immediately made. But Ive been happy ever since Ernie made it happen. I didnt even mind what we gave up for him rationalizing that u can never pass up on a franchise QB. I went out & bought his rookie jersey. Its the white away jersey that has red AND BLUE on it. I still wear it on occasion.
I’ve defended him thousands of times in sports bars, in the stadium, sitting at the kitchen table & just about everywhere else. I only found BBV last year so I havent quite fought the online war in the same way as many of you, but I’ve been on the front lines, I’ve used your arguments, & I’ve felt your pain.
Great post (as always) tito. These are good times to be a Giant fan. & its an incredible feeling that the wave of frustration (from arguing with the blind) has receded.
Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
The front lines.
Those are the bars, the stadiums. There will always be “that guy” who’s completely ignorant to what football actually is. “That guy” who still thinks the Cowboys have won the most Super Bowls, and Terrel Owens is still a great WR. While I might not respect “that guy” it’s exactly that type of person who I feel the Giants, and Eli Manning alike, look too for motivation. They truly cannot be accepted as a great entity, and then in turn perform at that level.
I only hope that the “haters” continue to hate so furiously, but I think or maybe it’s just hope…I really don’t know, either way it seems to me the minority is no longer the “Eli supporters” and that the majority has gotten behind their quarterback, probably for the first time.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is nothing new.
Phil Simms never got the credit either. I think because his start was so rocky, because he was so inconsistent, and his development was derailed twice by injury, that alot of Giant fans needed several years to fully appreciate him. Some never did until after he retired, in the very way Flynner described.
I think the price paid for Eli, him orchestrating his way to NY, being Peyton’s little bro, replacing Collins, his inconsistent play, all contributed to his own rocky start that has created a similar atmosphere to what Phil went through.
Some people just need a ridiculous amount of proof, and thankfully Phil gave it to them, and now so is Eli.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
Lots of truth here.
Well said Tommy.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
this is all true
I just dont remember a blind hatred for Phil in the same way as Eli. The Eli haters are blatantly oblivious to anything he does thats positive. He throws for 400 yds & 4TDs its b/c of his WRs. The WR’s drop 12 passes & tip to 3 interceptions & its b/c Eli doesnt throw a catchable ball. They say the Giants will NEVER win a SB with Eli at the helm & when he does, they say it was in spite of him. Phil was never disrespected as much as Eli is. Maybe just maybe that extreme polarization will allow for a similiar swing in popularity after he’s gone. And he’ll end up being extremely loved in the same way many of us do now. Its just too bad, they’ll miss out on savoring his awesometude as it happens.
Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
And that's what I keep saying.
Savor this now. This “run” of success the Giants have enjoyed since the TC/Eli Era began rivals the Parcells/Simms/LT Era.
I’m a big fan of history, and when you look at the history of the Giants in the SB era, this is as good as it has ever been.
And when I tell that to the detractors (which most of the time is two glass half empty friends of mine), the answer I often get is, “I guess I just expect more from the Giants and Eli than you do.”
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
You are wrong, I didn't like that one.
I friggin’ loved it! I even scanned it for a good debate and found you and Simmsy going at it over Eli and TC vs. Brady and Belichick. Great stuff.
I also focused in on the date of your post. You posted that 2 weeks before I found BBV. That was a weird day. It was right after MM2 when I found you fellas. Bitter sweet….
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
MM2
Me and Larry went to that game…what a day
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I shit you not
When I went to training camp this year for a day, there was one guy in the bathroom saying that the Jets getting plaxico was one of the best moves and was going to make Sanchez an amazing QB like he made Eli.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
lol
…. lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 21, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli has suffered from the perspective of how he is evaluated
Since his earliest days he has been looked at from a negative perspective. It’s never been what has he done, and how does it stack up, it’s always been what has he done wrong. The reality is that in most sports and for most athletes you aren’t going to have perfect performances, so there is always something to pick at.
Even this year, he has a great game against Seattle, and while almost single handedly bringing us to victory, he basically throws one a little questionable pass (over the middle is always a bit more risky), and his WR bungles it and we got a fan post crucifying him.
JMO – But it stems from the near constant criticism and negative spin the media thrust on him from the beginning of his career. It’s like advertising, you hear a jingle often enough and you start humming it as you walk down the street. Even though Eli is top 5 in QB rating, top 10 in the new QBR, on a division leading team, he isn’t considered an MVP candidate over at ESPN. That’s OK, but Drew Brees is? And the NFC East commenter thinks that’s right! He should be saying, there is essentially no difference between Brees and Manning right now, either both are top 10 or neither are. But we get the negative focus instead.
I’m just glad Tito has done the heavy lifting here, makes my time much more enjoyable.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
RE: Drew Bees
I really don’t understand it, but I guess I have to accept it.
If you look at their numbers through the first seven years of their respective careers Eli has more wins, more playoff wins, a Super Bowl, a Super Bowl MVP, more passing yards, and more touchdowns. Now, in his eight year, he’s performing at the same, if not a higher level than Brees, and still he is not viewed the same way as him.
I don’t get it, but as long as I’m not the only one who sees this…it’s fine with me. Giants fans everywhere should realize what they have, and I think they’re starting to.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not forget
that Brees has a really strong supporting cast, with big physical wrs, and a nice TE. I am really hoping that Barden can make an impact, b/c ELi needs that big go to guy that can get up over the cornerbacks. I remember when he hit Fitzgerald in the Pro Bowl a couple years back. It was like a dream to see him throwing to that caliber or receiver. Maybe Nicks will be that, but he’s not there yet, and he’s not likely to grow any time soon. If he’s 6foot, its barely.
I like what we've got
The Giants can score in the redzone so I don’t think its an issue.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Third down
For some reason the loss of Steve Smith has definitely effected us on third downs. Ghost mentioned are problem is on the longer third downs…3rd and 8 etc. But there’s where Steve Smith was money. I wonder if Ramses, with the trust he does have with Eli already (Eli has spoken on his behalf more than once) will bring positive results on those third down situations.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Idk
But Cruz doesn’t seem to be the answer at slot. Was really counting on Hixon. Barden had an unbelievable stretch in college with catching TDs, so he’s no stranger to the endzone. Its just hard to complete passes to guys that are the same size or smaller than the players defending them (Cruz, Manningham, and even Nicks). I look at Rivers with all of his targets at 6’5, and I wonder what Eli could do with that. Not to mention the saftey blanket that is Norv Turners offense. Check the leading rcvrs on the Chargers over the past, how ever many years. Its always been the tight end (which is weak to me), and now it is the RBs, b/c the TE is hurt. Guy just can’t throw outside (can you tell that I have a bit of dislike for 17?)
Cruz is not the answer....yet.
I’ve heard Gilbride say something to the affect that slot receiver is one of the most difficult receiver positions to learn, and that putting a second year guy like Cruz in that position is basically setting him up for failure, because he can’t possibly know all the nuances of the position at this juncture in his career.
He has so many skills though, I don’t think it’s ridiculous to believe he’ll get their eventually.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
We did get to see Eli with Plax, 6' 5' 235.
And yeah, those receivers on SD are big, and GOOD.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
Plax
Oops, did you recently make a bad career decision? Have fun with Rex and Mex… You are OVER!
by AKMORA on Oct 20, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rex and Mex
ha…sounds like a knockoff “Dave and Busters”
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Its why Rivers always has redic #s
Safe /short passes …. 2 of his top 4 receivers are RBs . TE is his 2nd best option , hence the reason for his #s taking a real hit this yr. due to the injury of Gates.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Yes, but just this last week
When we really needed a TD, nobody was open (Eli tried to squeeze one to MM), and you can’t throw jump balls to these wideouts. You just can’t.
Nicks and Cruz are very good on the jump balls
But I’ve been banging the Barden drum for a while. Multiple weapons and a variety of weapons, make a QBs job easier. And Eli’s been spreading the ball around quite beautifully.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Keep bangin'
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
BANG BANG BANG
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
And Sean Payton
which no matter what your opinion of Gilbride, is a better OC now than Gilbride.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I have a question regarding our boy Eli
at one of our Buckeye college sports stores here in Columbus they have a few of the McFarlane Eli manning Action figures. Now they have a limited edition Ole Miss Eli figure and then the NY Giants version. The question is if I could have just one, which would it be? I am planning on getting both and keeping one for home and one for the office.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Considering the "Limited Edition" tag
Maybe you should go with Ole MIss. I see those Giants ones everywhere, and have a mini one on my desk as I type.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 20, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a good spot next to the
Godfather bobblehead and Master Shake action figure, I think Ole Miss Eli would fit in nicely.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Exactly
And they have inferior schedule, and play in better weather more often. That NJ wind is killer. Plus, he throws like a woman (and acts like one too). He’s solid, but his numbers lie, in the opposite way that Elis do.
by AKMORA on Oct 20, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Totally throws like a girl.
It’s comical, actually.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
For some reason I have a hard time believing that this will be your last Eli post
Good stuff though bro.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Well Tito I've come to expect a few defending Eli posts a year
I rather quite enjoy them, but you are right. If Ole Eli keeps playing lights out there really won’t be a discussion.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
That's awesome in so many ways!!!
Play on PLAYA!!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
Eli has alway been one great receiver away from greatness
We know he’s great, he deserves to be considered one of the top quarterbacks. It always ticks me off when they rank the top 5 or 10 QBs on ESPN and Eli isn’t even in the conversation. But I’ve always thought that Eli has always been one great receiver away from having his greatness realized or appreciated by the world. If Plax hadn’t shot himself, the age of enlightenment may have begun earlier, but now I think Cruz could be the guy. My blog this week is actually on Cruz, check it out: http://afandivided.com/2011/10/20/who-is-victor-cruz/
Hakeem Nicks is better then any WR you just mentioned.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
you and the maker of this thread should get along very well..
Im a strong believer that Eli is the creator of the Giants good Receivers. none the less Cruz does have a special talent/ nose for the ball…
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Eli and any QB is affected by the amount of disruption around him
Look at the number of guys that have changed places. Most other teams with great QBs focus on developing weapons, drafting them and training them. We draft a lot of guys on D early.
In 2009 we switched it up, and grabbed a WR, OT, WR and TE in rounds 1-3. Now we are reaping the rewards as two of those guys fill important spots.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Anyone else feel that Eli's leadership would be brought into question if say...Baas made this decision:
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
is should be brought into question
It’s Eli’s fault Olin has no desire left
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 21, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
truth
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Oct 21, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli's fault, yup.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
Really
enjoyed your post. I love Eli too!
by LookatThatLittleMeggettRun! on Oct 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Great post Tito
I have always supported Eli since the day he came to the team. I am so glad that we have this guy. Last time I supported and defended a QB with such vigor disappointed me. That was Dave Brown. People have to look back and see what we had after Simms (and Hoss). Collins was good too but Eli is in a class of his own. I compare Peyton and Brady to Eli. My standard to compare with is Eli
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