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So, ARE The Eagles.... "Back?"

Regarding the NFC East, the coverage last night on ESPN was definitely Eagle heavy with Dallas a close second. Our Giants of course, got little mention after the highlights despite moving into first place after beating a 4-1 Bills team that kicked Phillys ass last week.


So it seems the majority of the media and the "experts" are more than ready to jump back on the Philly band wagon today after they beat the Redskins 20-13 in Washington yesterday. Same sentiments coming out of Philly, as well. The cover of the Philly Daily News Sports section reads: "Back In The Running."

As for how the players feel after the win, Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Enquirer had this to say in regards to what the players were saying in the locker room after the win: "You get the sense when talking to the players that this (the performance vs. Skins) is what they have been working towards for the last several months, if things just went their way on a few occassions, a break here, a break there, a tipped pass there, that they would have been 5-1 or 6-0 going into this bye." Really? With how bad they played over the last 4 games, they needed a whole lot more than "A break here or there." They were man-handled, couldn't tackle, couldn't block anybody, couldn't coach. I hope they are dellusional enough to think they have righted the ship.

 

Redemtion for Juan Castillos defense is how it is being portrayed. They kept the Skins run game in check to the tune of 42 yards on the ground yesterday, picked off Grossman 4 times, and basically shut down the Redskin offense. And Juan was quite pleased with himself after the game too, as he was described to be "beaming" while talking to reporters and pointing out that he adjusted his DE's on running plays to not line up out so wide. WOW, impressive adjustment there.

 

The Eagles got what they needed. They stopped their losing streak at 4 and beat the Skins on the road to get a win before going into their bye. Big deal. To win this division, someone needs to win at least 10 games. That means, AT A MINIMUM, the Eagles will have to go 8-2 from here on out. If 11 wins are needed to win the NFC East, they will need to go 9-1. And they still have to play Dallas twice, NYJ, @ NYG, @SEA, and finish the season at home against the Skins. 

 

The purpose of this post was to highlight the media jumping back on the Dream Team bandwagon as well as point out the Eagles confidence following a less than inspiring victory over a team whose QB practically gave the game away with 4 picks.

 

Honestly, I believe the division is ours, but it will not be easy. Either Philly or Dallas could win it, IMO, but it says here that it will come down to us and Philly, despite their terrible start and deficiencies. So go ahead Eagles, be pleased with yourselves, believe your press yet again. The Dream Team is once again, dreaming.

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Are the Eagles "back?"
Yes, and they will challenge for the division crown.
18 votes
Yes, but the poor start puts the division out of reach, Wild Card at best
27 votes
No, there are too many problems in Philly, and too large of a hole to dig out of.
48 votes

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ESPN is the worst

after a big win like this all i want to do is watch “experts” talk about it and show clips. even when they did show clips from the gents,they talked about the bills the whole time! every time i watch espn i remind myself why i dont watch espn.

by Plaxico Burress on Oct 17, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

This

Also during the Sunday Night Game, Rodney Harrison got so excited about the eagles win that he had to change his pants during a commerical break.

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, tito, for the big fat LOL

It was such a good laugh, it almost qualified as a “LMAOFF.”

The dream is alive. ;-)

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

best head coach, fans, and Santa Clause appreciation day

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 17, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brisulph is that you?

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

ohhhhhhh

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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 20, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna count them out yet.

At this point it’s still a 4-team race. I will not tempt fate. Just like I know the Giants best performances are still ahead of us, that team has the potential to be dangerous later in the season. I see both the Eagles and Cowboys as wounded Grizzly bears, nothing to worry about if we’re careful, but if you don’t respect them, it could still be deadly.

"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris

ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense

by BleedBigBlue on Oct 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

the Eagles got a glimmer of hope. Two or three more losses in the next month and a half will change that drastically.

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.

by wangstu13 on Oct 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Eagles are the team to beat ESPN says so

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not counting the eagles out until they lose 7 games

Until then they’re a threat like everyone else in the division.

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Oct 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

this

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 19, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

the eagles are back

believe the hype ………….at least ihope the eagles buy the hype )

by GoodKarme on Oct 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Teh Eggles already won the Superbowl in July 2011

when they win it again in February, they will become the first team to win 2 Superblows in 1 calendar year

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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

nice

I wonder what their rings are gonna look like…

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 17, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're thinking of 2004 and 2007

or, alternatively, the Yankees when they won game 4 vs. the tigers.

Or game 3 vs the sox, in, you know, THE GREATEST COLLAPSE IN SPORTS HISTORY.

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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buckey Dent

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

go sox go giants

how is this so hard for most of you?

by baadfish on Oct 18, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

It is wrong, just wrong. always will be always should be

You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra

by greg a on Oct 18, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not hard for me.

Those are your teams, I got no problem with it.

balls92 took a jab, Simms returned one, and I kept it going with a third. Funny thing is, that a Sox fan (or any other teams fan) can’t win this one. :-)

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Because rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for England in the Revolutionary War.

Win ugly.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 18, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm laughing, good naturedly.

But….. I’m not really following the comparison, tito.

BTW, do you have an opinion on where tito may land?

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

all the way to the packie

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

now THAT I can get down with

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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 20, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just went over to BGN

and read 5 posts plus the comments top get a feel of what they are thinking about their team. The overwhelming majority are still realistic.

Most think they will challenge for the division, with plenty of mentions for the Cowboys as the biggest threat. No love for the G-men.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know.

We had 10 wins last year and no playoffs.

GB 6-0
TB 4-2
SF 5-1
NYG 4-2

DET 5-1
NO 4-2

9 wins might do it if the Niners come back to earth and win the division with 9. Or, coupled with the tough schedules, the NFC East beats each other up and a team wins the division with 9 wins. But I always think it takes 10 to get in with a WC, with 9 being enough on an off year.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are not alone in that thinking.

I have gone into this season thinking they would not be as good as last year, but beating NO to go to 4-2 has forced me to AT LEAST, take a wait and see approach.

They do have a tough schedule with NO, ATL, DAL. They also face HOU, JAX, TEN, and CAR twice.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

im gonna disgree with u

both team will get to 10 wins but TB wins that division.

Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!

by 1giantlion on Oct 17, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would surprise me

they struggled with the Colts for christ sake

by terpyturtles on Oct 17, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

so did Pitt

but theyre still a good team

Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!

by 1giantlion on Oct 18, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

a wildcard isn’t coming out of the West, so it doesn’t matter how the 49ers do. It rests on New Orleans, TB, Atlanta, and Detroit and how they play out.

Tampa is fake to me – their offense is a bit too anemic and they seem to be slumping a bit. The win against NO was impressive though.

by gatesoffire1178 on Oct 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

most definitely it will not

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

means nothing

all that I know is plenty of teams will be 10-6.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This week they played the greatest first half that a team has ever played in the history of ever

so that means they’re the best team ever and they will win the Superbowl. You can argue with me all you want but the Great Peter King agrees with me so do not waste your energy.

Thank you for everything Jorgie!

by Livestrong77nyy on Oct 17, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

I didn’t see the game, but I can see that they didn’t score at all in the second half, turned the ball over twice, and once again Vick was knocked out of a game though he did ultimately finish it.

I will be very curious to see how they play after their bye at home vs. Dallas.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Washington handed that game to the Eggs

And they almost blew it, it’s good though get them looking past their next opponents and back to their losing ways

You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra

by greg a on Oct 17, 2011 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell no they're not "back"

tho they really never ‘were’ so I guess you can be back to what never was, since you’re already there. THey’re still frauds, a terribly run team and extremely overrated. Beating Washington confirms nothing. Should be interesting to see them play Dallass in two weeks.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Dallas next 7 are all winnable games.

Doesn’t even include the Cardinals at the end.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 17, 2011 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dallas next 7 are all losable games.

Doesn’t even include the Cardinals at the end.

Thank you for everything Jorgie!

by Livestrong77nyy on Oct 17, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always two sides to every coin.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dallas stinks.

Philly does have a small chance to get back into the mix.

by BrooksBridges11 on Oct 18, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

We stink?

Should be 5-0.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 18, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 18, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

If you started Kitna, you’d have a solid shot at 5-0. This is true.

Win ugly.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 18, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh Jets and Lions games should of been W's.

I’m not going to blame it entirely on Romo. Just like Matt Dodge didn’t lose you the entire Eagles game right?

I don’t know what you’re so sure about with this Giants team. They are inconsistent and play the toughest end to a season I’ve seen yet. Every team is considered good. Then add NFC East games that are toss ups.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 18, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the impression you are getting

when reading the posts here? That people are “so sure” about the Giants?

I ask because I have haven’t gotten that impression myself. Mostly guarded optimism with alot of suggestions on what the team needs to do, or improve upon, if they are to win the division, win some playoff games, etc.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said it's you and the Eagles.

I should be offended. We’re certainly in this race.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 18, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 18, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even think the Giants are that good.

We’ve gotten lucky. Flat out. Eli is an interception machine and his receivers are making him look good right now, our defense is basically trash blowing on the field while opposing quarterbacks due as they please, and I would talk about our rushing offense or defense, but if you’ve been paying attention, there’s none to speak of.

If you read my comment above in this post it’s plain to see I feel the Eagles are the clear team to beat in the division.

If you ask me about the Cowboys, I think they’re easily better than the Giants as well. They certainly have a better defense, maybe the best in the league the way the dominated the Patriots. And they have some of the most talented skill position players in all of football. I would even go so far as to say the Eagles and Cowboys have looked better in their losses than the Giants have in their wins.

If you’ve been watching at all the Giants have been flat out ugly, and no one should believe this is an elite team by any means. How we’ve won four games is beyond me.

Win ugly.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you've gotten more sarcastic now that you're in the booth teet

all those games where you can’t chew and curse and you have to sit next to Joe Buck…you’ve changed.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

you forgot to put that little a with a circle around it at the beginning and end of this statement

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 19, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I do that

The football gods catch on.

Win ugly.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahhhh......

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 19, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eagles

Are 2-4. Statistically, the probability of any team coming back from a 1-4 start is pretty slim, though I don’t know the exact numbers.

They are a 2-4 team coming off a win over the Redskins, in which Grossman threw 4 picks.

Realistically, they should be a 3-3 team right now, but that loss to Atlanta (a game they won prior to Vick’s injury in the fourth quarter) is going to haunt them.

They’ll still be competitive and might even hit 9-10 wins. But, it’s not as if they can even really surprise anybody. They aren’t just a 2-4 Eagles team, but they are the Dream Team, so I don’t see anybody downplaying their preseason success and handing them any easy victories to help make up lost ground.

by Max Schwager on Oct 18, 2011 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup. And as I said to an Eagle fan when the season started,

Enjoy that target on your back.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I can't fully speak without having seen the whole game

but ESPN seemed to completely glorify a lost team playing on an average level, claiming that now they’re playing the sort of dominant and sound football of which they’re capable. I don’t buy the running stats in that game at all as an indicator of Philly actually believing in the running game. McCoy is much more talented than I originally thought and will definitely keep a team on its heals, but Philly and a sound running game doesn’t exist. The stats seemed to be there, but from a traditional running game standpoint, the Eagles put up nothing in the second half and evidently didn’t run out the clock enough to kill any comeback opportunities. The talk about the defense is comical, and the bit in this article about Castillo is hilarious. ESPN made it sound like Philly used brilliant schemes and athleticism to confuse and pick Grossman while replays seemed to be on the contrary. Come on, Rex finally showed his true colours, and I’m pretty convinced that the Eagles lose against any other QB in the league.

The win definitely gives them confidence and a chance, but they still have a lot to prove. I wasn’t happy about them coming into the season but still questioned them until they proved something, which they’ve yet to. They certainly have talent, but against upper tier teams, they will continue struggling. Vick’s come back down to Earth more, and I still think he can be a huge liability with his injuries and fumbles. To look ahead at the Giants, especially with a healthy Tuck back and some other healthy guys to hopefully defend down the field well or blitz or spy or run some creative scheme, our D and especially front four can really rattle Vick around, if he’s still even around by then. Just stop the big play please. I’m feeling good about the running game, and with the line getting healthier, Jacobs coming back, Bradshaw staying angry, and the Eagles having nothing up the middle right now, the Giants can get back to solid running. Let’s not forget that the Eagles secondary (Nnamdi) don’t like tackling, so can you say Bradshaw stiffy or Jacobs truck stick for a huge gain? Eli’s been an elite QB and most importantly, a winner, and with the way all of the receivers have stepped up, mesh that in with a running game and Castillo’s true inability to run a defence, and you have to like the Giants there. Plus, we’re at home; that’s just one game on Philly’s schedule that is no guaranteed win, and there are plenty more of these on the way. However, let’s take it one step at a time, of course, and worry about what’’s directly ahead. Unfortunately not an easy thing to do coming into a bye week. At least Rutgers plays Friday night. Plus, having been raised in south Jersey in a NY family has turned me so extremely bitter with Philly, so I’m just really hoping for a major meltdown with them. I can’t complain about their current state, but I’m not counting them out until they’re actually out. Are they back though? Absolutely not, and hopefully they’ll never be.

by RUroseyNY on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I tend to rant about Philly

Just venting and trying to convince myself that they’re done and the Giants are growing stronger because I’ve learned to never celebrate anything until it’s official, whether it be awaiting a flag after a touchdown, leading in the fourth quarter, leading in the division, or the Eagles on life support in the basement.

by RUroseyNY on Oct 18, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write up!

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hah

Definitely know the feeling. Good points there. I almost wonder sometimes if Vick would be better going back to his old style of play. Not having a line to give him the 8 seconds he needs to read a defense seems to have an impact on his pocket passing ability.

by Max Schwager on Oct 19, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

Ill say it freely for u. Screw the Eagles. Lets go gmen. Im waiting for that second game where we can pound em again.

by GiantBeing on Oct 18, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

to answer your question

NO. theyre not back. i had 2 tvs going for the last 2 sundays. 1 wit the G-men, & 1 with the birds. at no point in either game were they dominant. if shanahan woulda tried to run the ball a lil earlier, like in the 1st qtr, they probably coulda pulled off the win. I kept asking myself, y arent they running? made no sense especially wit the way Rexy was playing. nothing about that performance made me think philthy is anywhere near what they were predicted to be.

Nobody wins the Superblow in October.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!

by 1giantlion on Oct 18, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Good.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

They still scare the crap out of me...

but maybe its PTSD from that 2nd game last year. Seriously, we know how to beat them, we flat out do. If we can hold the fort and stay healthy, they shouldn’t trouble us, but with our “2nd” place schedule, we got the worst of it.

by AKMORA on Oct 19, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

if WE beat the in Giants stadium

it’s going to make things pretty hard for them.

They have to go 8-2 from here on out. If we get’em again, that means they’ve got to:

Sweep Dallas AND Washington
Beat the Patriots and the Jets
Beat Chicago, Arizona, and Miami
Beat Seattle @ Seattle

Honestly, I think they’ve got a pretty cupcake schedule. All the good opponents are at home for them. But IF we stick it to them, they can only fail in ONE of the above tasks to still win it all. They can’t keep blowing games — at all, period.

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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 20, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

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