Giants 27, Bills 24: Examining Those Defensive Breakdowns By The Giants
by Ed Valentine on Oct 17, 2011 1:35 PM EDT
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PrintIn all of the euphoria over the New York Giants' 27-24 victory over the Buffalo Bills Sunday, and the fact that the Giants sit in first place entering their bye week, let's not forget those two huge touchdown plays the defense surrendered in the first quarter.
I wanted to take some time to go back and look at what -- in my mind -- happened on each of those plays. Take them out of the equation and the Giants played a solid defensive football game, but you can't continue to win when you surrender 80- and 60-yard touchdown plays.
Fred Jackson's 80-yard run
Fred Jackson 80 yard TD run vs. Giants. (via SoutHcouGars2010)
There are so many issues with the Giants' defense on this play that it isn't even funny. Let's go through them.
Those issues begin with something that you don't see in the YouTube clip above. Before the snap there is confusion on the Giants' defense. Linebacker Michael Boley is frantically turning every which way trying to get guys lined up, and is actually caught off guard by the snap and never actually gets into the play, just getting washed into the mess.
The second issue is that the defensive tackles get completely blown off the line. Rocky Bernard, in particular, is pushed waaaay to his right and out of the play.
Next is what happens with Kenny Phillips. Again, tough to see in the YouTube clip, but Phillips was in the box on the play, reads it and tries to shoot into the backfield to make a play. Only Phillips can't get there, diving and coming up with air as Jackson shoots by into open space. I honestly don't know if Phillips made the right play or not. He went for the big play rather than taking the conservative route to Jackson and probably stopping him for a five-yard gain. I do know he wasn't fast enough to make the play he tried to make.
Finally, there is the atrocious angle taken by Deon Grant. As the deep safety, Grant has got to be able to make that stop -- or force Jackson to make a cut so someone else can make the play. Grant, though, is way too aggressive, runs right at Jackson and allows the Buffalo running back to simply zoom right past him.
The alignment issue at the snap really bugs me. At some point, you have to just turn around and play. KP's choice bugs me -- or maybe it's that he wasn't fast enough to make the play he wanted to make that bugs me. I'm not sure. Finally, Grant's lack of discipline in containing the play bugs me.
Naaman Roosevelt's 60-yard touchdown
10/16/11 BUFFALO BILLS NAAMAN ROOSEVELT 60 YD PASS PLAY FOR TD VS NY GIANTS!!! (via blubarycroc)
As with the Jackson run, there are multiple things that bother me on this play.
Let's start with this. Primary fault for this play, at least from what I can see, has to go to Giants' safety Antrel Rolle. The Giants are in zone, with Rolle in the slot and new defensive back Justin Tryon on the outside. When Roosevelt catches the ball it looks as though he has beaten Tryon to the inside. In fact, though, it appears to me that Tryon is attempting in vain to cover Rolle's mistake.
At the snap of the ball you see Rolle, who has inside coverage, sprint immediately toward the sideline, anticipating an outside throw. Tryon, though, already has outside coverage and Rolle's move leaves the quick square-in to Roosevelt completely uncovered.
Watch the clip, though, and there are two other problems. Those are really bad plays after the catch by Corey Webster and Aaron Ross.
You clearly see Ross, covering another Bills' receiver across the middle, jogging once the play is made rather than hustling to get in on the play. When Roosevelt cuts across the middle Ross simply continues to jog, never making an effort to try and cut off the middle of the field or chase Roosevelt down.
The second problem is Webster's reaction, or lack thereof. He is in the middle of the field, the last Giant who has a shot at Roosevelt. He sees the completion, but never stops, breaks down and puts himself in a defensive position where he is even able to attempt a tackle on the play. Roosevelt simply runs right by him, and Webster's lack of reaction actually trips Tryon and takes him out of pursuit.
The initial mistake on this play was Rolle's, as far as I can determine. The lack of hustle/urgency by Ross and Webster, though, was inexcusable. Remember in the preseason when we watched Justin Tuck chase a running back 40 yards down the field and make a play inside the five-yard-line? That is how an athlete is supposed to play, not quitting until the whistle. That kind of effort was missing on that play, and it cost the Giants a touchdown. And very nearly a game.
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We need better players
At linebacker and at DB. I know everyone was pretty enthusiastic about the rookie LBs, but the coaches seem to have turned on Jones and Williams stunk the place out yesterday.
And Grant needs to come off the field, he’s a liability.
Linebackers
I don’t think they have ‘turned on Jones.’ I think it’s a simple matter of how well Williams has played, and that the Giants are so often playing 4-2-5 or even 3-2-6 w/out the third linebacker.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 17, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What is wrong with 2 LBs?
The reality is that this is the way the NFL is now. With four-a and five-wide sets all the time the LBs can be a liability. You need more DBs on the field.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Predictable vs. the run
We are weak vs. the run as it is, playing with 2 lbs would make us even weaker and signal the opponent to audible and run against us …in deeing the long run play, to me it looks like Fitz changed the play at the line.
by Bavaro 89 on Oct 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be true but until yesterday all of the big runs came against the base formation
So playing with 2 backers is not the issue…..execution is.
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As Ed indicated in point #2
Rocky Bernard got shoved so far to the right that the hole turned out to be an avenue. Maybe even a boulevard. So next line of defense is the linebackers. But before the runner gets to the second level, we have to ask how did RB get so disconbobulated? If he handles the offensive blocker i a better way, the big yardage goes away. He fills the gap and tackles or at least slows the runner down and gives the secondary more time to react. Not blaming RB, but he was the key to the failure.
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JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
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You need to go nickel against 3 good WRs
It’s officially being played more than 1/2 the time in the NFL
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Again not the Defensive scheme
but execution. Rolle was gambling on the pick and got no help on the inside when he guessed wrong.
On Jackson’s TD RB got blown out, the linebackers were out of position and the secondary just plain blew it.
The good news is take out those two plays and the Defense did a good job against a pretty good offense. Minus the TD run Jackson ends up with 40 yards on the day.
The offense protected the ball established the running game and ate the clock. A good win all in all.
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by mjdinhouston on Oct 18, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
so, Ed, looking at these two plays, how does this weigh on the
blame the scheme versus players not executing debate?
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Well, that's a good question
You might blame the call for the pass completion, but in both cases you blame players for not executing what they are taught as basic defensive fundamentals, and at least making tackles to prevent touchdowns.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 17, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks. . .
I’m trying to figure out what’s what on the Blame Fewell versus blame poor execution/players debate, and I feel like I’m at a disadvantage because I’m not as strong on the x’s and o’s.
I just get this feeling that there’s this sentiment out there that is just negative on Fewell no matter what, and I want to understand the arguments, but I don’t see many people really trying to break down what’s actually happening on the field week by week for evidence to support their conclusions.
That’s a long way of saying, thanks for this post.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
I criticize PF
But I don’t think he’s the only problem, we’ve had a huge turnover of personnel, just this year, Joseph, Williams, Jones, Tryon, and last year we brought in Goff, Rolle, JPP, and effectively Canty and Bernard. Plus the guys who have been here a while are on their third DC in 5 years, so even the vets can’t really help the new guys.
Look at teams that play top defense, they keep the same core and bring in one or two new guys at a time. And the DC is usually around for a while. Take the Ravens, Ryan was DC for 4 years, but DL coach for 5 or so before that.
My biggest complaint with PF, we have press corners and pass rushers, and when the game is on the line, he’s reluctant to use them.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
hit the nail on the head
we have press corners and pass rushers, and when the game is on the line, he’s reluctant to use them.
It is endlessly frustrating to watch this team get a small lead and then let the situation dictate far too much of our scheme rather than sticking to what they do best.
He seems all to willing to play this cushy style of defense to prevent bombshells from going off all around us. There is no gamle, no aggression, and I think that is most people’s gripe about Perry.
I was all on board with this guy last season, anything had to be better than the previous fool, but this is his second year and I don’t think I like his overall philosophy. It doesn’t seem to play to the strengths of the players we have.
I’m still hopeful that he’ll get more aggressive as the season goes on and they begin to face tougher competition in bigger scenarios, but that hope is completely unfounded by anything I’ve seen from him.
You down wit JPP?
I agree....to an extent.
I think he needs to do a better job of mixing in coverage schemes and blitzing schemes
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
and do it out of all formations, not just when they have the run D on the field, or vice versa.
It’s tough to watch the corners and safeties constantly dropping 20 yards back on almost every snap. He puts an extra safety out there but it doesn’t help anything when the scheme takes them out of the play.
You down wit JPP?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think some is by design
Basically, let’s put the game in Eli’s hands, he’s our best player and he’s been outstanding this season.
But, to my mind, that would make unleashing pressure on a 3rd and 7 in the 4th Q that much more effective.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Looks like Cover 3
Antrel is supposed to widen out to the flat. Tryon fall back to the deep third. Boley has responsibility for that seam/slant pattern but he’s too late coming off the line b/c he still diagnosing the play. After that it’s a comedy of errors. No excuse for Ross loafing it.
On a separate note: Grant is just too slow. He’s such a huge liability for us. I can’t wait to get Prince in thereb/c at least the speed will mask some of the rookie mistakes.
4-2-5 is one of the go to defenses to stop the spread
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I agree
Fewell has to go we are letting our defensive talent rot ! Wish we had Spags he’d have this defense dominant again.
by The Dutchman on Oct 17, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones and Williams are both rookies
and both have been far better then any of us could have hoped for. They will both get better as the year progresses. both will be very good players for us in the future as well
the DBs, yea i kind of agree. A lot of the problems obviously come from TT not being there which takes rolle out of is natural spot. hopefully Prince can help out after the bye but a rookie with no camps or practices coming off a broken foot, im not getting my hopes up too much.
I would like to see a little more tyler sash in place of Grant. At least give him a few snaps a game let him fly around and make some hits. He cant possibly do much worse then grant has far
by Plaxico Burress on Oct 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You say he can't do worse...
The question is can he do better? I don’t think his ceiling is all that high. Giving kids PT when you are on top of the division is not typically a recipe for success. The Patriots, Steelers and even the Jets aren’t big on putting rookies in at safety.
who cares what those teams do
we arent them we have our own problems….plus the Pats play young inexperienced guys in secondary all the time
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
LBs
Part of our problem is Reese seems to think quality NFL LBs can be found from the 4th round to the 7th round. Unfortunately, all of the LBs that the Giants draft in those rounds are somewhat lacking in someway. There is a reason a guy gets drafted in the 6th round, and he will probably not be an every down, every game kind of LB. So, we have to play a lot of 4-2-5 because our LBs are not quite good enough.
That's simply not true.
You are essentially saying late round picks and UDFA never, ever become great players.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And
we had a first class Mike LB in Goff and took an enlightened chance on fast, mobile and tallented rookies to fill the gap. There was an upgrade over anything else we could have done. For the most part, we highly opinioned fans approved the LB situation. The breakdown in defending that run and that reception will be corrected as the coaching staff and the player staff become more mature going in to the second half of the season. Beware! More mistakes loom ahead and so does the prize.
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I think it's simpler than that
A lot of people like to play fantasy GM.
They get committed to their fantasies and their own draft projections.
When the actual GM does not do things their way they conclude the GM has to be wrong.
Then they just look for every potential mistake the GM may make to support their conclusions (the moral of every story being, they would be better at the job than the guy getting paid for it).
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Or
Some people have the ability to take a critical look at the team they root for, appreciate the good, and be concerned about the bad. If you aren’t seeing that Reese has really short changed the linebacker position than you are intentionally wearing blinders. I’ve had several guys I would have loved to have as a Giants, but I’m not going to crucify a guy just for not getting “my guy” there are too many players and too many teams to go after those players to take that stance. Now when you have a position that is weak, on a team that traditionally prides itself on such a position, and the GM passes up opportunity after opportunity to improve that position, yeah I’m going to have beef.
I agree he has left LB's to late rounds
and at that point it becomes the position he drafts the most.
And I agree he goes too much for converted DE’s.
That said, the only real way to hang it on his next is to go draft by draft and show the the players he chose were not arguably comparable talent/performance picks to the available LB’s on the board. And I don’t think draft judgments can be made until 3 years pass, really.
I’m always totally open to evidence based stuff like that, one way or another, personally. I don’t have a conclusion about this, and I’ve never argued he hasn’t made mistakes.
I’ve just never seen anyone make a full case that he is blowing it by not drafting obviously superior, available players at LB and using his picks for unneeded underperformers.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Past three years, first 2 rounds of Reese's drafts
2009 WR, LB, OT
2010 DE, DT
2011 CB, DT
In the last three years, Reese has technically spent as many high draft picks on LBs as any other position besides DT.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A guy drafted because he was a pass rusher
Not because he was a linebacker. Let’s also not fall into the trap of looking only at the draft. That is one area to get players, and an area where there were opportunities passed on, but if you aren’t going to go for those how about some FA. There have been quality linebackers moving in FA without a move. Note those two years of DT drafts came after a year of huge spending on two DTs in FA.
The year of huge spending also brought a LB in FA, Boley
And Canty and Bernard weren’t exactly high ticket guys. And now that they are healthy they have been very good.
And isn’t it possible that if there weren’t higher priorities LBs would have been pursued. People complain about Jernigan, but if Manningham leaves in FA, the same people will say its nice to have a guy trained and waiting.
Focusing on one position doesn’t give a full picture, bottom line, we haven’t had a losing season in a while, and few people look at the Giants roster and see doom. Most people look at the roster and say good present, bright future.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
EXACTLY
not only did we bring in Boley, but also Keith Bulluck.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You could kill the Steelers GM for avoiding CBs
It misses the point, aside from 2009, the Giants played good defense. They’ve had bunches of injuries and still been good this year. I’d love to see them with just a normal amount of injuries before I decided if the LBs are some kind of critical mistake.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I don't think he said never
He said probably, which is the truth based on history.
Nonsense
That is a ridiculous statement. Of course good Linebackers can be found in the later rounds of the draft. Ever hear of Jessie Armstead? Picked in the 8th round at #207. I’d say that’s one hell of an 8th round linebacker!
Please recognize the exception
Vs the rule
People have trouble with that on this site lately...
unfortunately
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He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
Good point
The evaluation of talent at that level is questionable by Reese and his staff. The Giants have not had a good linebacking corps in a while. I think we are spoiled by the success of previous LB groups.
Having said that we really need a leader on the field and some real talent at LB. Injuries aside the LB are the anchor by which the rest of the Defense operates. Hopefully this will turn out good. Our defense when not injured is good. Our offense is improving and we are in first place. I’ll take it. Not satisfied but I’ll take it
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by mjdinhouston on Oct 18, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No
we play 4-2-5 because other teams throw on us with so many WRs and because our LBs are rookies. Not because they have no skills. They are learning the NFL game without any preseason.
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JWill is FAST
look at that closing speed once Jackson passes Grant.
by Plaxico Burress on Oct 17, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, he has some quicks
In trying to scramble out of a hole, it sometimes digs it deeper. ~Wellington Mara
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The only negative thing
regarding JPP’s play is that he will have to learn how to pace himself. If it is halfway through the 4th and he is played out because he gives it his all every play then he either has to let go of some plays that are beyond his ability or the offense has to take more time off the clock so that he has a chance to rest.
That man is the ultimate human football persona. I am in awe of him and that we have him on our team. God bless JPP, God bless. You are freakin unbelievable.
I am almost to the point where I will say the same for Elijiah. He’s been more than anyone could ask for.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
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Elisha
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Oh Heck
yur right
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
JPP IS the Kraken. He shall be released.
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Archie is an Elisha too
Archibald Elisha if I’m not mistaken
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Otherway around
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Jackson's run..
It looks to me that JWill is in perfect position to make the play on Jackson’s run, BUT Bernard and Linval (I think) get pushed so far past the play, that the TE is able to come off his double team of Linval and get infront of Williams, then Jackson cuts it off his rear.
Also, GOT DAMN is Williams fast!!! He MIGHT catch Jackson if Ross doesn’t cut in front of him!
Saw that too... Ross on that play took a bad angle on the pursuit and def. prohibited JWill from getting that saving tackle
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Good job diagnosing the play, Ed. A lesser back takes that for 20-40 yds., but good offensive position players exploit defensive mistakes. Jackson is playing solid ball and can run. That inside out curl for the last 15 yds. of the run — while lousy to be on the receiving end of it — was enjoyable to watch from an objective POV.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
How funny was that movie, right?
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I hate these alignments
on the fred jackson run, there was 15 yards between the defensive line and the nearest defensive back. All any RB has to do is break the DL and is clear sailing to a 15-20 yard pickup all the time. Its sooooo annoying.
If Fewell and JR dont wanna draft a 3 down LB, then lets bring in someone who does.
You should list the 15-20 guys they passed on that could do that for us
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
15-20 really??
i’ll name 3-4
Sean Lee — I would have love to see this guy in big blue colors, he is flying around on the dallas defense, displaced Bradie James a pretty good LB himself
Sean Weatherspoon — right now coming into his on, I know we got JPP in this right so no real crying about this pick
Navorro Bowman – tearing it up next to PWillis on the SF defense coulda shoulda been ours :( but whatever
Mason Foster — in contention for rookie of the year defense but hey we got jerrel jernigan!!, someone please kill me
can't make the field > Def. ROY
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Foster has had ONE good game.
versus Minnesota in week 2…10 tackles, a sack, and a FF.
Week 1 he had 7 tackles
After that week 2 explosion, his most recent games:
5 tkls
4 tkls
3 tkls
3 tkls
Total: 32 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF
JWill has 35 tackles and one pass defensed and (with the exception of last game) has been really solid in multiple games in much less time than Foster (who is the de facto starter in Tampa, while JWill until recently had been getting spot duty)
His stats each week.
2 tkls
7 tkls
10 tkls
6 tkls
8 tkls
and his most recent game, he had like I said, a bad one with 2 tkls.
I’d rather have Jernigan and JWill than Foster and whoever we would have gotten in the 6th round comp pick.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
people holding onto that Foster / Minn game like it's...
a golden ticket….for JR’s blimp ride.
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It's like you're not allowed to miss on a player....
I thought people would be commending JR on picking up JWill and GJ53 that late and have them make an impact. Wonder if they’d be saying good things about JWill if we picked him in the 3rd round…cause him and Foster have been playing pretty comparably.
Also, don’t understand the hate for JJ12. 1st year WRs almost NEVER make a big impact unless you are a can’t miss type player (and not everyone can be AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Hakeem Nicks, or Julio Jones). NOTHING wrong with redshirting…a la Mario Manningham and Steve Smith, who broke out during their 2nd and 3rd years. Perhaps its because of Sinorice Moss…
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there hate out there for Jernigan?
I guess I do recall some snippy comments about a 3rd round player not being able to get on the field, can’t return punts, etc., but I guess I overlooked those comments.
He is a WR. And after QB, many would argue that WR is the hardest position to learn in the NFL.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Not so much hate as there is the sentiment
that we should have taken Mason Foster instead of Jerrel Jernigan.
Me and Rorschach have been pretty adamant on this issue. Ror suggests that Foster would have had the same impact that GJ53 and JW57 have had, while I suggest that the FACT that we have both GJ and JWill should quiet those clamoring for Foster anyway.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people also ignore the scheme specific issues
Some teams don’t have the DL we have and funnel action to the LBs, we don’t. I call it Nate Clements syndrome. When. 49ers signed him, everyone thought they were getting a shut down CB. Turned out he was more of a good fit for the Bills D. Not bad, but not a star.
I don’t really see Sean Lee as a star in our system.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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I think Lee would have been good
but hell, who am I to guess. We need LBzez that can cover more than anything, which is why. And its showing cause Jacquain and Boley are our best cover LBs and was a major reason for me beating the Akeem Ayers drum.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
won't matter
what GJ or JWIll do, JJ12 has to go to the pro bowl before people will accept the decision as a good one…
Go Big Blue!
Perhaps. Though I find it somewhat ridiculous that people are throwing him
away after less than half a season in which he has had NO time for OTAs and what not.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
1st year WRs
There is a post on this on MockingtheDraft. Going back 35 years, there are only 10 or so 1st round WRs with 4 catches per game rookie year.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
LOL for the Wonka reference.
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JWill is awesome
Props to him and Greg Jones for stepping in(and up in situations where a big play is needed) and helping the team reach a record of 4-2. I know it wasn’t always the prettiest but I’m satisfied by their play.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Me too. And they should only get better.
Just pray for health.
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JWill is racking up tackles
But he is not actually playing very good football, I’m sorry that’s just the truth. I know people want to make him more than he his, but he isn’t. Jones is playing worse. I’d love for these guys to be the studs you say they are, but they have so far displayed why they were not drafted earlier.
pretty much exactly the sentiment for mason foster
but hey as they say grass is always greener…
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
now you're throwing in contingencies
if / then. We’re not talking JWill. Maybe they’d have Foster AND J-Will How;d ya feel then?
Ya can’t do if. I think Mason Foster has a brighter future in the NFL than Jerrell Jernigan. It’s not a conviction of Reese. Just my opinion.
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps. You have a valid reason
just explaining why I think Reese was justified, in hindsight, for passing on Foster and going for Jernigan.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Foster is NOT going to be DRoy
he’s playing, but that doesn’t make him good. Also he wouldn’t have started here. Also he’s not better then Greg Jones.
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I didn't say he would be D-ROY
My hypothetical, imaginary YOU did
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
oh no...
can’t make the field > Def. ROY
you most definitely did this.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
fine
thenIdidnt say he would be defensive ROY, I said he was contention for defensive ROY which is more than I can say for Jerrel Jernigan who will be in contention for benchwarmer of the year
No one knew Goff was gonna get hurt
if Goff is healthy, Foster is also in contention for bench warmer of the year.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
or not
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
what you dope?!?!
Mason Foster is a starter at MLB who got injured
that doesn't make any sense.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I can
but you can’t write.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
how is mason foster a benchwarmer
if he has been in the starting lineup for the tampa bay bucs?
if WE chose him, he's saying
now, cut it out you too. Rorshack, can I get a wind report on the meadowlands tonight? More tornadoes in the forecast?
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish a category 5 would wipe this game off the map
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if Goff was healthy, Foster is a benchwarmer
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
75 mph gusts, you say?
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, why not
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all over you
like Nnamdi Asomugha on … well, on nobody, really
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you tackle like em too
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I tackled your mom
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
she's a nice lady, don't hurt her
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it tore my labrum
I’m doubtful for next week
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ah your "perfect" assesment
like your beutifuel assesment of Von Miller
oh
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
coincidentally, we knew that SS wasn't going to be teh same either
from microfracture surgery. We also knew that our ST was a steaming pile of shit.
Therefore, Jernigan had a much greater chance of making an impact than Foster did on the Giants.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
All I've got to say is MM
He was a total bust to about 75% of fans on boards at this point in his career.
Now we wonder if we can afford to re-sign him. The talk about JJ is premature and given our history of developing the smaller school guys (Beatty??) why would anyone presume he’s a mistake
(I know you’re defending it, just had to get it off my chest)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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In Beatty's defense, UCONN used to be ranked.
But I agree, everyone here gives up on guys so quickly. Jernigan muffed a couple punts? Oh, he sucks, he’s got the dropsies. He’ll never be good, we should have drafted Mason Foster, who has less tackles than J. Williams.Beckum is always injured, barely gets on the field, has had 3 weeks of practice, but he sucks, get rid of him. Barden sucks because he’s basically never played. Some people need to take a step back and get some perspective. They can all play football, they wouldn’t be in the NFL otherwise. Give them a chance to get on the field before you cast them off.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 18, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you don't do logic
but please follow:
can’t make the field > Def. ROY
signed,
FreeBradshaw
c’mon BRO, you can READ
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sean Lee was picked before our 2nd round pick that year.
So the only way we could have gotten him was by trading up or taken him in the first.
You got that right on Sean Weatherspoon.
Navorro…he’s doing real well right now. I think we took Mario Manningham instead…which by no means is bad. Also don’t know if Bowman can play in a 4-3.
Foster….we got Greg Jones, basically the SAME scouting report, almost same film. Plus, we had no idea about Steve Smith at that point…and Jernigan was also a great STer. Can’t fault Reese at all. Especially since he knew he was going to take JWILL….and look at how that turned out.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
your incorrect on two things
we took linval before the cowboys took sean lee in 2010 in the 2nd rd
and for navarro we took chad jones that round (and no im not saying anything about his car accident)
my bad. That was from memory, which seems to be fuzzy lol.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not bad. Fuzzy memory and all. :-)
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I thought that too
But still, Joseph is starting for us.
DTs > LBs
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-John Madden
this.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
??
I’ve thought our DT play has been very very strong
I hate when they pull the DTs for JPP or Tuck. I’d rather see them bring 5 with Osi lined up outside of JPP at DE, with Tuck on the other side. Better yet bring 6, Kiwi Tuck Bernard Canty JPP Osi let’s see them block that.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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then they stink
but that’s not happening with the Giants
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He knew he was going to take JWill?
First, you don’t know that you are going to take any player in a later round because you don’t know what other teams are doing. Second, let’s not pretend that JWill or Jones are on the same level as Foster right now. Your just talking a bunch of nonsense at this point frankly.
Yes, he knew he was going to take JWill.
He said as much. He told JWill during his proday that he was going to take him. He said that right after he drafted him he was going to take him, and knew that he was not well known, but drafted him early “just in case.”
So if that’s nonsense, than, yeah, Jerry Reese was talking a bunch of nonsense as well.
And while Foster has been playing well, no doubt…can’t say that Jacquain Williams isn’t “on the same level.”
They play different positions in different schemes, anyway. Most of our tackles come from our secondary and our DL.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are telling me
You think passing on a solid prospect because you plan to reach for a guy you don’t expect to get drafted later is a good plan? Even if what you say is true it doesn’t paint a positive picture for me. Just an FYI a lot of GMs tell a lot of players they intend to take them, sometimes they really do sometimes not, sometimes they don’t get too because someone else does.
no I'm not saying that I'm just responding to your assertion
that I was wrong about reese planning on taking him. and for all we know the wide receiver was probably a better prospects for him then foster was
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
BBI is right about JR telling JWill he would take him.
Both JWill and Reese have said exactly this.
There wasn’t much of a concern that another team would take him but Reese pulled the trigger a little early just to be safe.
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Bowman can absolutely play a 4-3
PSU runs a pro-style 4-3 defense & he was pretty damn good in his time Linebacker U
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You're right on the money...
We passed up plenty of guys with talent and you just named 3 who are excelling. I believe they’re playing 2 LB’s because they just don’t have the right talent to field 3 right now. This is hurting us, and against a Green Bay or New England, it will kill us.
My guess is next year will be the same. I would bet money right now that next years draft will be devoted to the OL, and a TE to mix it up with Ballard, Reese’s usual WR, and a DB. He just doesn’t seem to put stock in drafting LB’s. Maybe he should just sign an established free agent…
I think Reese will just go BPA in whatever situation.
Can’t account for FA and can’t account for injuries and can’t account for who we already have stepping up and filling a role. That’s what he always does, and it works.
We laughed and cried when we found out we were taking JPP. Now? Without him, and the injuries to Tuck and Osi we would have been royally screwed.
Same with Prince, we took him knowing we had great CB depth…forget that he’s injured, but damn, our CB depth is looking so damn thin.
JR goes for talent, and it works. He’s gotten great production out of his draft picks, regardless of position.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We wouldn't have been screwed
Kiwi has played his best football from DE this year, Tolly has played admirably, and there were other DEs available at various times and ways. Not dogging JPP, just saying not as critical as you make it sound, still more of a luxury than anything else.
If you want to bring up FA, shall we talk about all of the quality linebackers that have moved around in FA recently that Reese also failed to move on?
disagree on tolley
as far as free agency we had more pressing concerns such as kiwi and david baas with limited funds. also before the year started a line up of boley goff nd kiwi isn’t bad
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We would have been screwed because JPP is about the best guy we've drafted since Eli
He’s ridiculous, and he’s getting better. That’s not a luxury.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
technically they didn't draft Eli
Nicks was a great pick too
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 17, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
And we’ve drafted a ton of good to excellent players
But JPP is doing things that are crazy. Last year at this time people still thought he might not get serious field time until later this season. He’s ahead of Strahan’s improvement curve. We give him huge responsibility on the field, and teams are double teaming him on virtually every play.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Huh?
If Fewell and JR dont wanna draft a 3 down LB, then lets bring in someone who does.
What the hell are Boley and Jwill?? not to mention Goff?, Kiwi is also a 3 down backer.
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What?
Kiwi is 2 downs at LB and 3rd down at DE, maybe the closest thing to a 3 down backer. Boley is a nickel backer that is the closest thing we have to a 3 down backer. Goff was a 2 down run stuffer. JWill is a nickel backer only and based on this weekend’s performance not a very good one. Wait for it, soemone will say, “but he’s FAST, did you see him chasing from BEHIND!”
Kiwi only plays LB because the Giants have nobody else. He would be a much better DE then he is LB. In passing downs he shifts to DE as it is.
Boley was a FA signing, and he isn’t really a 3 down guy. He isn’t great against the run though is OK as a pass defender sometimes. Boley is sort of average to slightly above average as an LB.
Goff cannot cover, he pretty limited as an LB. Most guys drafted later in the draft are limited in someway. He has OK range side to side, but is best in the box stopping the run.
JWill has a lot to learn, and needs to gain about 20 pounds to be a true NFL 3 down LB.
Boley is a nickel backer? that's hilarious.
JWill had one real bad game….that last one. That too, it was on 2 or 3 plays where he was out of position. He is playing surprisingly well.
Is Foster playing better? Sure he is. Good for him. But he ain’t an all world 3 down backer just yet. He’s had some bad games too….I hope you people saw that game that the bucs had against the 49ers. Foster was horrendous.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't even say Foster is palyign better.
Take away Foster’s sack and FF play, J Will has been as good if not better.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't randomly
“take away” parts of the equation that don’t serve your point.
IF Tom Brady hadn’t won 3 Superballs, then he’s just Warren Moon.
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Foster has one better play than Williams,
and it makes him that much better than him and up for DROY, but not Williams? Logic is flawed. He has done nothing Williams hasn’t done. If Foster is up for DROY, than so should Williams be. Just because you like the guy more than the guy we took doesn’t mean he’s been better than he has.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
my point
we’re comparing Foster and Jernigan. You can’t just throw in someone unrelated to the situation. Okay, if you’ve got Jernigan AND Williams, I’ve got Foster and .. Josh Freeman.
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 18, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
what?
You can’t compare a Wr to a LB. I’m comparing a LB with another LB, stay with me here. It’s not that hard.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 18, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
Foster > Jernigan. That’s the principal concept. Perfectly valid. And correct. You can’t compare between positions? ridiculous.
You can’t say for certain Jerry Rice > Philip Dillard?
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 18, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Boley started in Atlanta, 3 downs.
He was most definitely not a Nickel backer.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not talking about in Atlanta. The assertion that Boley
is a nickel backer right now, this season is not accurate. He’s playing up there with the best of them this year.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
they are not 3 down LB's
that’s why they get substituted on the passing downs. Im talking about a real live premier LB
this would have to happen with a big time LB athlete primarily in the early 1st round
anything after that and the percentages are stacked against it…unless we get lucky and find that exception. or Reese finds that exception :)
but I’m with you, we need to get us a top 10 draft pick of an LB…. doubt that’s possible unless it’s a huge trade… or we completely stink up 1 year. Doubt any of that ever happens.
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he said premier
and the percentages of getting a premier LB after the early first round, drops significantly round by round.
it’s not out of the question you might find one, but the chances are slim.
as for a non premier 3 down LB, yes, you can and the percentages I would assume would be a little higher than a premier one.
either case I don’t disagree you can’t find one after top 10 picks.
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McClain could’ve fell to us. Although I was on the fence with him in the first place. Didn’t think he fit our 4-3. But who knows JR likes his 3-4 LBs.
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Very few LBs go top 10
Now looking for them 4th round and down like Reese does isn’t great either. Most of your premier three down linebackers go mid first through mid second round.
oh ok...then after the top 10 picks is what I really mean then :)
you are right – I was exaggerating a bit, but most def. first 1 and a half rounds.
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well this years draft is the year to do just that
a lot of first – early second round talent LBs in this years draft
by Plaxico Burress on Oct 17, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
if we pick Burfict, do we re-sign Goff?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
see, I'm a little torn. Goff was clearly improving. The players and coaches
have said as much. Burfict is a special player no doubt, but I’m not sure if he’s disciplined enough just yet…
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We will not sign Burfict
He will be gone by the time we get our turn on the 32nd pick in 1st round.
Let's Go Giants!
that is what I like to hear.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
should've expected considering how close those names are haha
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
There are times when people refer to you or myself and I have to figure out which one of us the people are referring to. Recently they have started to use my full nic. By the way in case you are curious and have not read my story here it is. It covers why i picked the nic. It is towards bottom of the page.
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/7/6/1554051/fan-essays-its-time-to-hear-your
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NICE. One thing that stood out, was that you played cricket
Being of Indian origin, I’m a huge cricket fan haha. Do you follow the paki national team and the IPL and all that jazz?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha a good friend of mine is Paki.
I ain’t about the hate, mate. Only way I’d judge you without knowing you is if you were a Cowboy fan :P
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yo throw up a open thread , i cant
and ide like to mock the jets
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I'll try
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll try
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No
The only sport I follow is New York Football Giants. After living in USA for over 30 years now, I still do not worry about Baseball or other sports. Once in a decade if Pakistani national Hockey or Cricket teams are in World cup/Olympics finals then I will look up the score the following day but that is the most I do.
My only sport is New York Football Giants.
Let's Go Giants!
gotcha
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Burfict has talent on 25% of the snaps
Then he disappears.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
This system isn't reliant on what you'd call "3 down LBZ"
first of all, we often run with 2.
Secondly, we have RUN LBs and PASS LBs.
They are designed to be interchangeable to support the defensive play call.
It’s as false of a dilemma as saying we don’t have “3-down defensive ends”
because OSI is a pass rusher, he might get pulled on 3rd-and-1.
I know you’d say Tuck, but by your rationale, JPP, and OSI aren’t good players b/c they’re not “3 down.”
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah some sanity
Its also partly because our GM is good at finding talent. Other teams leave the starters out there cause the subs can’t really play
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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That only works
If you absolutely know what the offense is going to do. This strategy fails you in the many situations throughout the game where the offense has options and just attacks you with whatever is opposite of what you’ve put out there for defense, which is what we have seen this year.
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Nobody’s working harder than this year’s Giants, who are as hard a 4-2 as there is in this league right now. If they’re going to win this division, it’s going to get ugly along the way.
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please...I don't know what happened
I’m pretty sure the CIA is trying to silence me
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I hate people who double post!
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MAKE IT WORK!!!
Getting ugly! That's what need.
If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Someone say ugly?
I’m on board with that!
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 17, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
God loves Ugly
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Tryon
I was watching this in a sports bar, so no volume. I do remember that big pass play in which it looked like they were implying it was Tryon’s fault on there. But on both that one and a second completed pass near him later in the game you can see he is left to cover two guys by himself on the outside. And on both of those plays his guy did not catch the ball, it instead went the second/uncovered guy for good yardage (and a TD in one case). I was actually wondering if this was bad play calling by Fewell but at least in one case it looks like it was just blown coverage. I was very glad to see people not complaining about Tryon on here today though.
Tuck said it was out middle LB
They were in buzz coverage. Rolle went to the right spot as did Tryon. It is on the MLB to get over but if they don’t get pressure on the QB quickly that seam will be open. The real sham is Webster jogging over and essentially throwing a block on the rest of the secondary.
actually it was Boley outta position
& He wasnt the MLB, he was in the Will faking a blitz. he’ also signaling to KP & doesnt see the ball snapped. Once he realizes its a pass (almost 2 seconds later). he turns and runs toward his zone at 100mph. but by that time, its too late
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watching the 1st play is gut wrentching
it’s not like it’s a busted play….
it was just your basic running play designed right up the gut.
once FJ blew past KP it was all she wrote.
the 2nd play….wow, what an amazing Zone Defense Fewell draws up….it’s so complex that i really can’t blame anyone b/c i’m not sure who it was on.
Rolle may have played it right, and I think Boley and Tryon may have screwed it up.
Cweb converted to a Safety on the play, didn’t think Naaman was gonna keep going and took a horrible angle on the play….probably why Cweb should stick to playing CB and not transition into a S on Zone D.
but seriously….go watch that 2nd TD again….and tell me if anyone can decipher who’s man that was….I’ll wait.
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That's what makes things frustrating
At this level one blown coverage or missed assignment can change a game. We saw it vs Seattle and the same yesterday.
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Yup. Big plays often are the difference.
Remember week 3?
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well....
I’d sooner chalk up a play to a blown assignment….than just their guys being smarter and better than our guys.
and that’s exactly what took place on the 1st touch down….
good call, good blocking, good bye….
having Boley and Jwill out there really wasn’t the bomb either.
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Ross fell, Tryon was slow getting there
Webster just looked at the guy run by him while obstructing Boley just comedy at its best!
the fact is,
when you’re not expecting to be in the play…chance are you won’t be in the play.
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But why
If you are in a zone, would you have your slot and outside guys switch responsibilities at the snap? That makes no sense, which is why it looks to me like Rolle tried to guess on a play and got burned.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
well if you are asking me personally
I would say it doesn’t make sense….but i’m putting myself in the shoes and mind of perry fewell….
having said that….watch the other side of the field on the same play (the 2nd TD). Looks to me like Ross and Boley are playing LB on the play.
at the snap Ross drops back to cover the inside WR. I think D. Grant covers the outside WR. Cweb drops WAY back into a Quasi S position. Boley pulls a “oh crap” and than drops back. Rolle mind you w/out hesitation sprints to the opposite WR and it looks honestly to me like Tryon and Boley shoulda had zone D on Naaman.
I’m not saying I agree w/ the call at all, but if you notice, at the snap….everyone goes somewhere else….and I think that could have very well been by Design
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Boley "oh crap"
Think maybe he read the back coming across the formation as a screen setup? There was no play fake, but his initial steps forward seem to be what really opened that spot in the zone…
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 17, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Carl Banks you're right, and that Rolle wasn't the culprit
He said the Giants were in a Buzz coverage. Rolle is supposed to buzz the outside receivers underneath route, and Boley is supposed to Buzz the underneath coverage for Roosevelt.
Boley didn’t buzz, and it opened up the passing lane for Roosevelt. I think that’s why we see Boley in hot pursuit.
That’s from his post game this morning with Joe and Evan
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Interesting
And I would definitely take Banks’ word for that. It just seems odd that the Giants left an area vacated.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
u can see Boley signaling to KP & doesnt see the ball snapped. by the time he gets adjusted and makes his drop, its already too late.
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Agreed Ed. If the play was in fact drawn up like that then fewellis just outsmarting himself,
Like he did at Indy last year. I still think this defense would performe better is we had more simpler plays.
well if it was buzz, that's in everyone's playbook, not complicated. . .
and if Boley was AWOL on his assignment, it’s not the scheme. It’s accountability by a veteran player.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
I'm tending to agree
is the play complicated w/ Tryon being in the mix? maybe.
but it’s on Boley….
not saying I love the play call but it’s Perry, he’s not gonna stop playing Zone D.
he did it to try to throw the Bill O off, maybe get a LB to jump into the lane of a slant pass or something…
the thing is though, it was really a slant pass, NR sees the space in front of him and just pretty much runs straight to the hole….by that time, boley doesn’t have a shot…Tryon takes a step back and than take a bad angle, and than Webster blows his assignment being the “safety” on the play.
it’s not a horrible call….just not executed well.
BUT the first play….the Run by FJ….bad personnel by Fewell….
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Whatever the play was called, it wasn’t executed like it was supposed too. Boley looked like the only one confused and by the time the ball was snapped it was already to late. Webster also took a bad angle and over pursued. Rolle and Tyron had the outside containment. Webster should’ve to the more agressive angle and that would’ve forced Roosevelt into Tyron and/or Rolle.
Yeah
Definitely a lot of people moving all over the place on the pass play. Sure looked to me like KP was playing man on the RB, as well.
They’re definitely trying to be confusing… just seems like in some instances they might be moving guys around so much that it becomes really difficult to actually do what you’re supposed to do.
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I die a little on the inside
Every time I see the Fred Jackson run.
Just… up the middle, no one past the line to beat, than Grant 30 miles deep.
Ouch
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Well stop watching that then
I know you cannot take out the play but if that one run is subtracted, the person we were most afraid of was neutralized.
I’m pretty happy with that.
Perfect storm of defensive errors and missteps.
Hey, Da’Rel happened to make the team on two such plays.
It happens.
Now show me the body of work for the day and look at the entire effect…….pretty happy with it.
Oh, and by the way, we made adjustments defensively to correct that and ow and behold, did not even come close in the second half…..celebrate that.
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not really, Da'Rel should have been stopped on that 90 yard something TD run
possibly at the 1yd line. The defense played him perfectly, but his cut back up the middle and not following his blocks…worked for him, b/c he has ridiculous speed and some quick moves – that he made some a couple guys miss.
But for the Fred Jackson play, the D didn’t play that run perfectly, they were out of position, got blown off the blocks, and took a key bad angle by D. Grant that could have save the TD let alone a long gain. Jackson did the rest, but with Da’Rel he did everything after what looked like he was going to get tackled for a loss.
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well you have 10 chances to win 4
pretty good odds if you ask me.
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don't worry Wild,
I think you guys can buckle down and make 6 wins
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of us
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by Livestrong77nyy on Oct 17, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should talk!!
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And good catch / analysis there Ed
I didnt see Ross jogging on the second play when I watched it live. Thats ugly. Watching it again, between Boley, Ross, and CWeb… one of those guys really needs to at least make a tackle there. They all had honest shots at it.
I forgot about those plays Ed
And posting them here so I have to relive them 4-5 more times is not what the doctor ordered. It should be youtube videos on how to party. Because we should be drinking tonight merrily as we watch the Dolphins beat the Jets.
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man those plays are just ugly
High school level mistakes.I certainly hope someone is getting yelled at in the film room this week.
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 17, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
I definitely don't mind KP going for the big play at all on the big run
Even if it turns into 10 yards instead of the 3 or 4 it would’ve been if you play it conservatively, you have to expect that SOMEONE (Grant in this case) will be able to get the guy to the ground. I like the aggressive play. The guys behind him need to pick him up (Grant).
Not getting lined up is definitely worse and bugs me something fierce.
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Breakdowns Aside
there were no turnovers and no injuries…..THAT is significant
take out that run and fred jackson had 15 carries for 41 yards
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This. Aside from one big run, and one big pass play, what exactly did the defense give up that makes every one say they are terrible?
Yes, they aren’t the best defense in the league, but to basically shut down a high powered Buffalo offense, aside from two plays, the defense played pretty good overall. You have to take into account Fewell’s scheme. It’s going to let up those 10-15 yard passes here and there. Putting those aside, because honestly, that’s goign to happen every game we play with Fewell’s soft zone, they pretty much stopped Buffalo the entire game.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The touchdown run was
Clearly a total breakdown on defense..they should have called timeout to re-group, but instead let the play continue..Our DL got blown away, our LBs didn’t know what was going on and our secondary also had no clue..Boley should have called a timeout..The result was a hole you could drive a truck through..and once thru a highway right to the endzone..The 60 yard pass was a result of again, missed reads…Rolle blew that one along with the other guys..sometimes you just can’t assume you have your back covered and let a receiver loose..In this case they didn’t have each others back covered and Roosevelt was left wide open..piss poor reads and no communication will butrn you everytime..
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Just watched the highlights on NFL.COM
Bills beat us, 21-7. And Mario Manningham was killed by a db.
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And Eli
threw and interception on 3rd and goal, jsut like last week with Seattle.
Oh wait……if that DB had intercepted that ball, as he was lunging to get a front half of his FINGERS on it, I would have stood and applauded.
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Going over reports on other network venues
If you took the reports from ESPN etc seriously you would why did we bother and just not forfeit the game (and this is after we won the game).
Let's Go Giants!
In fairness
One of the guys said Eli threw a beautiful ball to Manningham.
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that 60 yarder to Nicks was a beauty as well
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
point
they showed more lowlights than highlights for the Giants. That was one
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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yea def
I felt exactly the same as you did afterwards.
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I'm just not a fan of Perry Fewell.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
Fewell....I'm REALLY on the fence about him.
His schemes seem so terrible, and we get blown around like nobodies for a half…but then somehow he makes the most ridiculous adjustments and we miraculously end up shutting people down later on….
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes he makes adjustments
But not often enough. I want to see some games from Fewell where he makes a good plan and it works without us getting torched.
Minor adjustments are fine but why are we getting creamed and them sometimes we figure it out and sometimes not.
And stop the 3 man rush crap. That was bizarre.
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It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, idk...we've done well in every single game we've played in the 2nd half.
Including the Seattle and Washington games…..
But yeah, the 3 man rush makes me pull my hair out.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Game is changing
The teams are adjusting to the different formations their opponents use and it is obvious that PF is adjusting to the ever changing situations. The other teams have professional players too and their coaches are competent people (most of the times anyway lol). So changing to 4-2 or 3-6 etc is not bad at all. There are going to be situations where the other teams’ players will get one or two big plays. While we adjust, the other teams know to adjust too and it is like a chess game. We just have to gear up and not give up too many yards to allow teams to stay in the game.
PF’s formations drive me nuts too but he is doing his best and does adjust especially in the 2nd half. We are winning games. We had the Seattle game won but it just did not work out for us but we were only one play away from winning that game.
With the bye week rest and injured players coming back, the team will be upgraded and stronger. The defense is showing that it can adjust and will gel more when the injured players return after the bye.
Let's Go Giants!
this is spot on what I've been thinking.
I’d just appreciate it if we didn’t dig ourselves into holes early on in games for once though haha
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't wait to watch Miami beat the blowhard coached team..You know the SB winners this year..
And damn did you see that gut Rob Ryan is sporting?..My god if he doesn’t stay five yards off the sideline the Cowgirls would get called for having 11 men and a baby on the field..How many penalty yards would that be? When the hell is that guy due?..It’s definitely over nine months one would think by the looks of it….
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this is great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=SIT3YNYzIa0
i cant tell if this is real or not. seems lil excessive at the end but its damn funny
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Definitely fake, but hilarious none the less.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Breakdown of 80 yd touchdown
Check out this breakdown from Matt Bowen from National Football Post.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-you-cant-take-a-poor-angle-vs-Bills-Jackson.html
I think the run defense did a better job after the big run
most of fast Freddy’s yards came on one run. If you take that one run out ( I know you can’t but for arguments sake ) they did a pretty good job on him the rest of the game.
Weakest link
Agreed with you 100% Ed. The weakest chain in the Giant’s defense is and has been the secondary.
So far this year I have seen miss tackles in every game, wrong angles and wrong reads.
Lacking hustle and urgency is a killer too. The Giants are only as strong as the weakest link and the secondary are definitely the weakest link. Unless, they improve,
the team cannot go very far.
Probably because we're so injured.
You lose Bruce Johnson, Terrell Thomas, Brian Witherspoon, Prince Amukamara….and your players get tired. You don’t have the substitutions that you normally have, and instead rely on Antrel Rolle playing an unfamiliar position….That hurts the CBs AND the safety position.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
bbi ! how do you make a fanpost?
for some reason i cant
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
weird...you can't access the menu on the left side saying "create new fanpost"?
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
unless im blind
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Remember guys...
help is on the way in the form of Justin Tuck and the Prince. Our Defense is going to get exponentially better with just those 2 coming back.
Prince should not be a major factor
he’s never had a training camp or 2 practices with the Giants.
The Tuck factor should be big, though. As far as “help is on the way,” I’m not really seeing it in the form of Henry Hynoski.
Having Jake back should help bradshaw’s tank for the season, but… this team you’ve been watching? That’s pretty much the Giants, for this year!
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 17, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Really...
Fireman man leads MNF?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
LOL...
our next MNF game we need our own Ed to do the opening.
by sexyscottish on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I lost brain cells watching that....
…Luckily I’m adhering to a pretty strict, drug regimen to keep my mind limber.
TeamJPP
lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 17, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
BBI put up a jet open thread
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
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Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
G Men Secondary- horrible
Antrel Rolle, Deon Grant Corey Webster and Aaron Ross.
these four as a group are horrible. Can’t tackle, can’t cover
too slow and are lazy
Why are they on our team? Who is our secondary coach?
These guys should be cut ASAP
LOL
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just waiting for a new dude to come along and say this.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
there's always one
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 17, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
what about Philips?
Team TAWD:
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 17, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
lmfao. That's goign on the comedy thread.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolle has been total garbage
almost every big play that we’ve given up has been because of him. AND he’s one of the highest paid players on the team
by mclaren_is_the_best on Oct 17, 2011 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
I'd put that more on Deon Grant.
Rolle has been playing more up on the line than deep in coverage.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX
"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 17, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
well he's a jest fan, so that's redundant
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Hard schedule
Gmen have such a hard schedule after the bye. The dolphins, then all tough games the rest of the way
by neterAll1 on Oct 17, 2011 11:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks for that earth shattering and enlightening information.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 17, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Cant overlook any team
I wonder if that is what happened with the Seattle game last week?
Let's Go Giants!
TC commented on the Jackson run yesterday
Essentially he said they had a gap responsibility issue when they lined up on that play. This is from the NY Post which quoted him saying this a couple different ways. The article finishes with the statement that the person who missed his gap responsibility was Jacquain Williams. (I’m assuming that TC never named him, but the reporter got to the bottom of it.)
but but but
he’s fast, didn’t you see he was fast, so he’s a stud three down premier linebacker, right??
stop, you're making yourself look foolish.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 18, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
D
No excuses, but I feel the lockout slowed things down for almost all teams…….passing games were worked on in workouts organized by QB’s, O lines are not there yet and there are many big plays resulting from assignment breakdowns then I have ever seen in over 40 years of following big blue.
That will work itself out, and I think we will see much better football in November/December.
The G-men have about the perfect formula to beat Philly,Green Bay, New Orleans or any other top offense, they have an outstanding pass rush. The run game is showing signs of life and Jake Ballard has answered a big question for the Giants, along with Victor Cruz. Just having Osi, JP, and Tuck on the field at the same time is going to be a huge plus for this team, allowing Kiwanuka to play more LB. I crossed my fingers for the games leading up to this bye, and the Giants managed 4-2, in first place and I think their best football is ahead of them.
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