'Friday Five' With Pat Traina
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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Time for our weekly 'Friday Five' with Inside Football editor Pat Traina. This week we talk about the running game, Perry Fewell and a few other topics. Be sure to stop by Pat's site for my answers to her questions.
Ed: I think we are all tired of talking about the Giants' inability to run the ball. Tom Coughlin says they will "keep hammering away." If the woes continue this week against Buffalo, is it time to stop "hammering" and make some personnel changes? If so, what changes would you make?
Pat: I don't think there's a whole lot you can change at this point, to be honest. The offensive line is pretty much what it is. With that said, this week, you're going to see Bear Pascoe in at fullback and possibly Da'Rel Scott in at running back for some snaps. What will be interesting to see is if those changes, which are necessitated due to injuries to Brandon Jacobs and Henry Hynoski, jump-start the running game. If they do, do you stick with the changes post bye? So that will be one very interesting storyline to watch this weekend.
Ed: Let's talk about Jake Ballard. He's has been a surprising addition to the Giants' passing attack. Also, maybe, he has been surprisingly ineffective blocking -- which is really what he is there for. Your impressions of Ballard so far?
Pat: He's making a believer out of me because he's been very reliable as a receiver. As a blocker, I think he still has a bit more to go before he's polished, but I like what he's been able to contribute so far.
Ed: I was more critical of Perry Fewell this week than I probably have been in his two years with the Giants. The defense is extremely inconsistent and, in my view, the only consistent thing is that it under-performs its talent level. I believe those things land at the feet of the defensive coordinator. Am I off base here?
Pat: No. Listening to him today talk about communication issues and such raised a bit of a red flag with me. He mentioned giving his players wristbands - is the defense THAT complicated that they might need to resort to that? I understand that injuries upset the apple cart, but sometimes you have to go back to the basics to get everyone caught up before you can jump ahead. I also have to wonder just how much the league has caught up with what Fewell has done.
Ed: Thinking about the Giants-Bills matchup, what concerns you most from a Giants' perspective?
Pat: The Bills knack for getting turnovers. I almost feel as though the Giants need to be 100% pristine here with the ball, which means not taking chances, which of course Eli Manning has been known to do.
Ed: I'm into recycling, so let's recycle one of your questions to me from last week. The trade deadline is the 18th of this month. Is there a position you think the Giants could upgrade via trade? A particular player or two you'd like to see targeted?
Pat: You could make a case that they could upgrade at almost every position. Will they though? Very unlikely. Reese treasures those draft picks and I just don't see him giving up any to get a veteran.
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okay i got a ?
Am i the only one that wants to see more of TMFS now i mean in the preseason the only complaint is a few blown coverages but the kid really laid some wood on runs well we have grant in and im sorry but we all see grants having trouble with coverage and trouble stopping the run so why not bring the young kid in and let him go i might be wrong but i really think sash isnt any worse than grant in coverage and is better against the run
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 7:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
why not?
Grant has constantly underperformed every week, even on plays where he’s done well. give Sash a try, his angles can’t be any worse, and his tackling has got to be better.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
so im not the only one
Thats exactly what im thinking
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 7:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So TMFS= Sash?
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
by tommy d. on Oct 14, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes yes it is
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ahhhh yes, I have seen that before. :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
After the Bye week
more of Tryon and eventually a little of the Prince, Grant is slow as molasses.
Sash is not ready yet, most likely next year.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 14, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
when those 2 guys get into the mix
we might see more of that 4-1-6 set…. 4 down lineman, jacquain williams, then rolle, phillips, grant, cweb, ross, prince/tryon
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Sash was getting
Destroyed in the pre season, that is why they called up Grant and signed him half way through camp.
Sash should stay on special teams were he belongs until he learns the position better
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
true
BUt it was only a few plays mind u they were big but ive seen just as much from grant the diff is grants a vet sash was a rookie in preseason with pretty much no training camp i just dont think there would be a drop off for starting him instead of grant let the kid get some real pt
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 7:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But he is not ready yet
That is why they signed Tryon.
I would love to see Sash starting but he would get torched in coverage.
If the staff thought he was ready they would not of wasted a roster spot on Tryon
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
i hear ya
He might not be ready but i dont think signing a cb has anything to do with safety i know that will help put rolle where he belongs but we will still see 3 safety sets and id rather see sash in then grant
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roole is basically playing corner / slot
Tryon playing the slot allows Rolle to go back to safety and gets Grant off the field.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
exactly what i said
But again we will still see 3 safety packages and id rather see sash as the third safety i dont understand why everyone jumped out with the hell will let rolle move back stuff considering i already said that
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 8:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i dont think tyler sash is ready at all
we just need to get rolle out of the nickel spot and back to playing safety, and only have grant in on 3 safety sets. that is where grant was alst year and he excelled at it. the reason he is not doing well this eyar is because he is playing the starting safety roll, something i dont think he is particually good at in the cover 2.
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
ok well
Sash had is mistakes playing starting safety in the PRESEASON so why not give him a chance as the 3rd safety
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we could, and what if he sucks?
then we have a disgruntled vet with hurt feelings who got benched… u gotta stick with your guys if you are still in contention
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
a disgruntled vet
That we werent even goin to resign til we got the injuries and isnt playing anywhere near how he did last year we didnt give in to disgruntled osi why should we with a guy thats not even close to that good
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 9:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Had nothing to do with injuries
Giants waited him out.. he made 4 mill last yr. that wasn’t happening this yr.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I don't understand this
If someone makes mistakes in the preseason then why would that give him a chance during the real season? I gotta believe that the coaches know something that we all don’t get a chance to see everyday.
I’d love to see Sash out there smashing people but it’s just not time.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
the thing is
This is a rookie that made mistakes in the preseason with barely any sort of training camp
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently, he's still making these mistakes
in daily practices against an offense that he is accustomed to. Put him out there with something he is unfamiliar with and he is going to get toasted.
Quinn must go !!
or
Like clawfin of the past he doesnt like starting rookies the ones we have starting are only starting cause we have no vets so naturally sash may be just as good as grant or a lil better but grants a vet so clawfin is starting him
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would hate to think
that TC would jepordize the team’s best chance of winning for some loyalty to a vet with less game.
Quinn must go !!
Or he doesn't like rookie mistakes
and the inconsistent nature of rookies. If you think Coughlin is the only HC like this then you are awfully naive.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Greg Jones, J Williams, Hynoski, V Cruz, And more...
All those guys are 1st or 2nd year players and getting tons of reps. Coughlin’s rep for not playing young guys is misguided. Check the Superbowl year.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Oct 16, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Chances make Champions
and Pre season is where you are supposed to make your mistakes.
The key is just to make sure its not the same mistake over and over.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Thats exactly why they signed Tryon
Want to know why the Giants signed Justin Tryon last week? Well, check out how much the Seahawks targeted — and abused — Deon Grant in pass coverage. Grant had five tackles and a sack, but missed two interceptions and is just not fast enough to cover downfield. Grant’s lockerroom leadership helps the Giants, but his play on the field of late really has not.
From last weeks wet willies
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
look above
Actually read what i wrote and you will see i said that but fact is we do use 3 safeties sometimes so it will either be grant or sash on the field and id rather see sash so many people try to make a point without reading everything i said
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 8:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing is, if we had a viable nickle, we probably wouldnt see the 3 safety package at all
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
idk about that
we have a viable nickel last year and they ran it all the time, successfully
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes we did but last years 3 safety package did not see a safety at nickle
we had a safety (Grant) @ Wil backer in the nickle…..with Jaquian here that package no longer would exist and if T2 or Prince was healthy, i doubt we would see Rolle at nickle back therefore the 3 safety thing probably woulnd exist.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
ahh so you're saying we ran it last year because we have inadequate linebacking support, not corner support
i see your point….
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes sir
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
no matter what we all may or maynot think
About what packages we will see then id still rather see sash come in instead of grant even if its just if we have a blowout goin or if we do run 3 safeties
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 9:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One more time, we didn't get it the first 12 times you said it. One more time, maybe we'll understand.
Sash isn’t going to play on the first team defense in a game this season, no way, no how. He’s very raw at coverage as a safety. You can’t put a guy on the field that isn’t ready yet and is a liability. Not that Grant isn’t a liability, but I’m sure 100% of the teams in the league would rather have a veteran guy that knows what he’s doing out there, than a rookie who has no idea what he’s doing, and would be playing on instinct alone. I would love to see Sash play… next year when he should play.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 14, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
oh im sorry
Did i bother u with my point last time i checked i was in a discussion with multiple people hence saying somethings more than once and thank u for the inside info that i didnt know im happy we have u on here to let us know what the coaches are thinking at least now i know i wont see sash as a starter at all this year tell the coaches hi next time ur in thier heads
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We got your point..
you don’t need to repeat yourself even when you’re posting with mutiple parties. They can see your responses we aren’t texting here. I was going to post something about you repeating yourself above (had it typed and ready to post) but decided against it. We read your original post, most seem to disagree and gave reasons why. Then on to the next topic. Also when someone posts something similar you don’t have to keep saying “I said that”.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 15, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
packages
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 14, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasnt getting destroyed at all
He got taken advantage of based on bad angles on a few plays, no different from any rookie safety.
He had some pretty good plays in the preseason as well.
I would just let him play through it because Grant is getting destroyed in the REGULAR SEASON.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
THIS
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 8:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Grant is gettign destroyed in the regular season, Sash will get demolished.
He doesn’t improve the position right now. On a team that’s contending for the playoffs, you don’t make that move to a raw rookie. If the Giants were 1-4 liek the Eagles, yea, go for it. But they are right in the thick of the playoff chase, that move shouldn’t and won’t happen on a team that’s in contention.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 14, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Sash is the complete answer either
but I don’t have any doubts that this is the sort of dude that makes all those plays that Grant was so willing to not make last week. I mean the ball on 3 separate occasions was right in his hands.Also if Grant is a step faster, something Sash at worst is, he gets in the way for a few more plays.
The thing is Coughlin’s not gonna sit someone like Grant and play Sash. Its just not something he’ll do.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If we were in the situation
that the Colts are in (just contending in the Andrew Luck Sweepstake), then I would say give the kid some play, but with the Least as weak as it is right now, we are still in contention for taking the division. No need for on the job training right now.
Quinn must go !!
so continue to get beat with a veteran
instead of possibly teh same thing with a rookie? I don’t really see the difference, especially with the chance that given Sash’s superior athleticism, he’ll actually make plays
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 14, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
thats my point
Obviously grants not getting it done so why not try someone else hell if he plays worse throw grant back in lol its not rocket science its funny alot of people like to argue with Rorschach44 yet i cant think of a time we havent agreed with each other
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I do have a fans
but there are many like yourself hawk that like to have grown up convos.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 14, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 15, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a grammar freak, so I looked this up
Use a period [ . ] at the end of a sentence that makes a statement.
That was five sentences, not one. If anyone is reading that aloud they may need to go to Hakeem’s oxygen tent,
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 14, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You had a good thing going here,
then you ended the last sentence with a comma [,]
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
by BleedBigBlue on Oct 14, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And that we call irony, I believe? :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
stick to football talk
Im not in school and have no urge to learn or talk about anything non football related here
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Oct 14, 2011 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think with regard to all above
Coughlin needs to change(adapt) his coaching technique.
Lighten up Francis
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
He has been here
since 2004, you expect him to change at this point? I agree with Pat about the Bills ability to force turnovers, not sure the Giants can be “100% pristine”, it doesn’t appear to be in their DNA.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 14, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
up until last week they were looking pretty good
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
"Up until last week"???
They looked good in one and a half games. Even in those two games, the defense had problems stopping the run and the offense couldn’t score consistently.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 14, 2011 8:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm talking turnovers
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
oh, ok. Well in the case...
Up until last week they did look good.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 14, 2011 9:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They had 3 turnovers in 4 games before last week. They were up there with the league leaders in turnovers. So yes, up until last week.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 14, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
the doctor said i swallowed a lot of aggression
along with a lot of pizzas
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
LOL
Sgt. Hulka is this platoons big toe.
We will have no chance to win...
with 2+ TO’s in the game…this goes to Eli & AB hold on to the d!@# ball! cherish the ball! the ball is your friend!
Whats the situation with QB Palmer, should we consider him? Just random thoughts.
Crack much?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
good to hear.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Huh? HAHA
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
sarcasm i hope
eli is our best player this year man…
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Palmer?
hahaha……. you funny, I like these jokes of yours
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 14, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw the Eagles/Bills game last week
And the Bills D had no answer for speedy McCoy, this would be a good game to unleash Scott, utilize Ballard, and hope that “good” Eli shows up to play. When the eggs got behind in the score that’s when the Bills brought pressure and forced Mickey Vick to TO the ball. Watch out for that number 37 that guy was all over the place laying the lumber!
That Bills pass rush does look wicked.
And with the past performance of the offensive in combination with Eli’s inability to hold on to the ball… I don’t know.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 14, 2011 8:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they only have 4 sacks for the year
don’t know about pressures, but sack wise, they aren’t a concern at all.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
The pressures are what I was talking about.
It definitely played a large role in the TOs committed by Vick this past Sunday.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 14, 2011 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think they were blitzing alot to get that pressure
which is a double edged sword. if it hits home, then it’s a good move, but as you see, they haven’t been getting home often. If it’s picked up, i’m supremely confident in Eli when he sees man coverage out there. then its a pick your poison for the Bills. one of our 3 guys, plus Ballard, won’t be double teamed.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Like i said plenty of times the Goff loss made Fewell impaired or something
Wrist bands?? damn, was anyone else learning the defense John Goff??…..Jeez i know he was a direct extension of Fewell but damn.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I think it's clear
that it is too difficult of a defense for anyone to learn. There were communication issues in the back end even when Goff was around. It’s been 2 years with this guy & players still don’t get it. Fewell needs to simplify this defense and soon (hopefully the bye).
...if those changes...jump-start the running game ...do you stick with the changes post bye?
HUH????
right!
duh?? If Scott has one of those big rookie debuts then Jacobs will self destruct and Bradshaw will be brought down with him. It makes me sad to say that Scott having a great game will hurt this team…in the short term. Long term…things will get better.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
I dont see it that way
It would just help….. a big game from scott will only help Jacobs and Bradshaw.
Lets be careful though because the problem is the line not the running backs.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Agree
Like to see Scott not only running the ball, but on screens I think he would be really effective. And Please replace Thomas with him returning kickoffs. maybe we can get past the 20 once in a while.
he should see punt protect as well
they dont have to run the fake but his presence will keep the defenders closer to the line a little longer allowing a better return.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
When are we going to stop blaming the KR
and realize that we could have Gale Sayers back there and it wouldn’t matter with a wall of 10 unblocked players waiting at the 12 yard line SMH.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 15, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the Oline being the problem
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
I'm not asking for a spectacular game from Scott
I’m just looking for a couple freaking 1st down conversions to keep the drive going, keep their defense on their heels and our D off the field.
I know it’s alot to ask, but Xmas is coming right?
ha
It’s coming…but not soon enough
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
it means its time once and for all to smack rex ryan in the mouth and put sanchez in the dirt
it also means its time for KP to rock plax so hard he gets a 100K fine and plax is out for the remainder of the season :)
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
niceeeee
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 14, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
we won a super bowl with a 3 RB committee all switching out as guys got hurt
and jacobs was fine with it then… bradshaw is not a complainer i dont see him getting mad about it and i also dont see the giants taking his carries and giving them to scott…. scott will take jacobs and wares carries
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
he will take Jacob's and Ware's carries...
Jacobs gets less touches and then he starts complaining. Jacobs and Bradshaw are BFFs and a disgruntled Jacobs affects Bradshaw. Jacobs wanted out last year and took a pay cut so they could pay Bradshaw. If Scott takes his snaps we will see Jacobs wanting out. Sort of like he was demanding to be traded last year.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Man i know people like Scotts speed but seriously its getting out of hand
If Jacobs is healthy then he will get the snaps, they bring two different styles to the table…..the problem is the runnning game not the running backs, if the line improves you will see ALL the backs get reps.
Stop creating stuff that doesnt exist, Jacobs wanted more carries, he didnt want to be traded, he assumed he was going to be traded because his snap count was low and he was healthy. He just thought they wouldnt continue to pay his salary with low snaps…..Reese even laughed at Brandon being traded and sais “You have to question the source when Brandon talks”.
I love how you guys are now ptting Scott , Jacobs and Bradshaw against eachother. No one is disgruntled, they all just want to win.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'm not creating stuff that doesn't exist...
I was voicing my thought on where this situation COULD end up. Nobody is pitting these guys against each other and I never said Bradshaw and Jacobs are “against each other”.
he assumed he was going to be traded because his snap count was low and he was healthy. He just thought they wouldnt continue to pay his salary with low snaps…..Reese even laughed at Brandon being traded and sais "You have to question the source when Brandon talks".
I love how you know when people are “assuming” or what they “just thought”…are you Jacobs? If not stop speaking like you are inside the mans head
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
LOL you are very defensive
No im not Jacobs, actually you were the one pretending to be him and stating what he would feel if scott did well.
“Jacobs and Bradshaw are BFFs and a disgruntled Jacobs affects Bradshaw. Jacobs wanted out last year and took a pay cut so they could pay Bradshaw. If Scott takes his snaps we will see Jacobs wanting out. Sort of like he was demanding to be traded last year.”
That sounds like YOU live with him and speak to him everyday…..you CREATED a whole scenario with no basis not me.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
you know the backup is always the fan favorite
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
or unless u are the demi-god
that is Rhett Bomar…. then you are way more than the favorite
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
also, if Jacobs and Bradshaw weren't BFFs then Jacobs would have been gone when Bradshaw took his starting position
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
How???
He was under contract.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
So, Carson Palmer is under contract, as well.
Osi was a holdout. Chris Johnson…Frank Gore…DeSean Jackson…Vincent Jackson(last season)
Don’t act like you don’t understand. People aren’t happy and they will find a way to force a move.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
talk about fail
the chargers are just morons…. they should have given VJax every last penny last year cause that dude can BALL!
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
true
but it proves my point that a player can get money or force a move IF they are worth it.
I agree though…what the hell were they thinking?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
With the new CBA, the leverage that once was "Holding out"
doesnt exist anymore…. its not in a players favor to hold out anymore well not as far as miney goes.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Hmmmm....any of those guys on different teams now?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Except that none of those players got moved.
Even Palmer, he’s just wasting away as a Bengal.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 14, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't disagree more.
For a team that can’t run the ball right now, Scott having a big game would be a huge lift. And it’s not like it’s going to take from Jacobs or AB’s playing time. If anything it would make Scott the 3rd back and bump Ware, which I’m pretty sure all of us here would love to see. I can’t think of any negatives from Scott having a good game. Come to think of it, I can’t think of any negatives from ANYONE having a good game. Who draws negatives from a good game? SMH.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 14, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Earth, Wind, Fire
They’ve done it before with 3 backs, and they can do it again. I hope Scott is ready to contribute immediately and creates the “problem”.
Wrist bands?
Forgive me if I’m behind the ball on this one, but wristbands!? for the defense?!
Time to simplify… everything.
This I think may be the root of all evils with our guys. They’re probably swamped with so much minutia and detail that they are thinking about playing rather than just playing.
Seriously the Defense just needs to be put in position with an assignment. There is some talent on this defense and they need to be allowed to just play the game without worrying about some small detail that is intended to trick the offense into a mistake.
You wanna mistake Perry? Try to Force one, rather than out think them. This may be Fewell’s flaw. He may be getting too much into the chess match and overlooking the talent dominating talent aspect of Defense.
Note to Perry,
the guy on the other sideline is just as smart as you.
You down wit JPP?
Agreed
I think him and Killdrive out coach themselves. Sometimes I think they watch too much film for too many hours and they are trying to get to complex its still football. Like the playaction of you do it the right way the LB’s have to freeze for one second they have no choice. On D too much pointing and running around this week they are not facing randy moss 1998 and Jerry Rice. Press coverage bump and run a little old school rush the passer. Simple!!
I am still trying to figure out who the hell would need a wristband???
I mean honestly, screw the injuries, here are our starters…… and im using the nickle because we have started in nickle the last few games.
Osi, JPP, Anvil, Canty, Williams, Boley, Grant, Phillips, Webby, AR31, Rolle……(Tuck**) Thats the starters
Here are the first sub rotations…… Rocky, Tolly, Jones (base).
Now i count two damn rookies….. and A WHOOOOOOLE bunch of seasoned vets with a nice mix of young talent and game changers, so who the HELL needs a wristband?? all these damn smart players and we need wristbands???
Seriously something is not being told here, something just isnt right.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Maybe wristbands are what this D needs.
As soon as they put on the wristbands, they will become the laughing stock of the league. Maybe this will piss these guys off enough for them to man up and go kick som ass.
Quinn must go !!
LMAO
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I agree
I don’t get it. Are they that bad that they need a cheat-sheet that still won’t make a difference?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Yea
its quite sad….. i would hang my head in shame if they put wrist bands on.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I dont get the big hullabaloo over the wrist bands
They are used at every level of the sport on O or D. If it means it will help ensure everyone is on the same page, what’s the big deal?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
I can understand
The QB and the MLB, wearing them to ensure that the correct call is transferred from the sideline, but the rest of these guys should know their role. I don’t like the idea of Rolle and Phillips reading their responsibilities just before the snap. They should know that part of the game by now.
If the playbook is that complicated that they need wristbands to understand a system that they have run for over a year now, than the system needs to be simplified or the players need to get back in the classroom. Since the classroom is not a good option midgame, I say the gameplan needs to scale baack a bit to let the players do what they do best.
You down wit JPP?
Problem solved !
Just got a text from Perry Fewell and the wristbands are here and they read like this:
Tuck Think Wu Tang and just protect my neck.
Joseph This check beats the hell out of the one from ECU.
Canty Whoa, I could still be in Dallas!
Pierre Paul Who’s down with JPP…all the ladies.
Boley Keep this up and Hawaii here I come.
Jones Thanks Goff
Kiwi What the hell am I doing out here? Put me on the line.
Ross My wife sure is fast
Cweb They could put Aaron’s wife over there. She’s faster than him.
Phillips I did not lead with my helmet.
Rolle Make big play. Cause turnover. Drop bombshell on radio talkshow.
Quinn must go !!
+1
on Kiwi LOL
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 15, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Anybody catch the end of Boomer and Carton?
they just had a group called 3rd Infantry performing their official 2011 Giants anthem - not awful.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Key To Winning
In my opinion, the key to winning this game is the run game. It has been lost the past couple of weeks but in my opinion we have some good backs to get us out of this hole. So many aspects of the game stem from running the ball. Time of possession, play action, overall passing game and in this case keeping the ball away from Buffalo’s ball hawking secondary. Last week one of the Seahawks linebackers said that because the Giants run game had been struggling so bad they didnt even bite on any play action plays.
We need to get off to a fast start. It’s obvious that this Giants team plays better in the second half but if we for once can just go into half-time with the lead i think it would be a big plus.
Defensively, i think the Giants need to key on Fred Jackson. Lately we have been getting torn up by “second tier” backs and Jackson looks possessed this season. But if we do succeed in stopping him this changes Buffalo’s whole game plan. Their only loss was to the Bengals who stopped the run and forced Fitzpatrick to throw more then usual. Now Fitzpatrick is good, but not half as effective without his run game.
In my opinion if the Giants run for more then 100 yards as a team and have 2 or less turnovers they win this game. That keeps the ball in our offenses hands and sets up our passing game which in my opinion has been above average thus far (Eli 4th in NFL Passer rating).
This is a big game and I’m gonna enjoy watching it with my new New York Giants Kegerator. Give me your opinions and feedback.
- Proud Giants Fan
Feedback- Tears of joy fell down my face at the mention of a NYG kegerator. You Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 14, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
since 2005
Giants are:
51-21 when they rush for 100 yards
15-21 when rushing for less than 100
22-2 with 0 turnovers
19-10 with 1 turnover
16-8 with 2 turnovers
9-22 with 3 or more turnovers
I'd like to take time out to mess up the soup.....
Cruz has stepped up and is playing some great ball…….Lloyd for Manningham anyone??
Quinn must go !!
Why would you want Llyod?
It took him 7 years in the league to have one good season on a team he was the only legitimate target. He will never have another season like he did last year.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 14, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
How good could he be if he weren’t the only target with a decent or dare I use the word {!%#{ QB….
Didn’t say that I wanted him. just wanted to stir the pot.
Quinn must go !!
he's been on 4 teams in 8 years
and is on his way to his 5th. somethings gotta be wrong there.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Hell.
No.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 14, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell man
why are so many people pushing for us to get brandon lloyd…. mario manningham has a couple quiet games and all the sudden we dont want him anymore? jeez man
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Ham will only benefit from Nicks and Cruz getting attention
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 14, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pump your brakes Blood
I was just stirring the pot. Wr is the least of our problems. I wanted to see if this would get a reaction and it sure did.
Quinn must go !!
by njgiant on Oct 14, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think everyone laughed when QB's started wearing wristbands
When AB and Jacobs were both playing, I don’t remember too many criticisms of the OL, I wonder if a single back playing, and Ware has a similar style to AB, allows the defense to get into a rhythm to stop the run? When the defense has to adjust to different running styles I think the OL suddenly looks better. Scott would give them a different style and force them to adjust, which could even help out AB when he comes back in.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 14, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
WRISTBANDS?!
Maybe I’m crazy, but aren’t most of the defensive guys veterens,why the @#!*% do we need wristbands??
Dolphins are supposedly in the trade market
Anyone interested in Fasano for a fifth or sixth?
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Oct 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
yes, I like it
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 14, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he'd be any better for us then Ballard
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 14, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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