New York Giants News And Notes: When Will Giants' Prince Come Back?
by Ed Valentine on Oct 13, 2011 7:27 AM EDT
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PrintGood morning, New York Giants's fans. Here are your news and notes for today.
First-round draft pick Prince Amukamara said he "felt good" after participating in practice Wednesday for the first time since breaking his foot.
"I think I'm doing good on the timeline that Coach Coughlin said, which is I'll probably be here with the team after the bye," Amukamara said about a possible return.
The Giants' bye week comes following Sunday's game against Buffalo.
Giants quarterback Eli Manning is well aware of the 12 interceptions thus far in 2011 by the Buffalo defense.
"They are fast. They run around and they make plays. They are stripping balls from guys or just being around the ball and getting it tipped up. They are very sound on defense. We have to make sure that we are careful with the ball," Manning said.
Former NY Giants captain Antonio Pierce wouldn't have tolerated own comments on Justin Tuck
That's the funny thing about former players - and even some current ones.
They sometimes say things they'd never quietly accept if those things were said about them. And it's not just Pierce, who chided Justin Tuck and Brandon Jacobs on Monday for not playing through injuries that didn't require surgery. And it's not just his former teammate Michael Strahan, who poked at Tuck three weeks earlier for getting treatment on the sidelines during the Eagles game.
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One by one yesterday morning inside the Hackensack Golf Club grill room, a who's-who list of former Giants players paid tribute to their Godfather.
NFL fines Giants safey Kenny Phillips for hit - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - The NFL has fined New York Giants safety Kenny Phillips $20,000 for a hit on Seattle Seahawks tight end Zach Miller.
Hynoski doesn’t have strength back; Pascoe ready to return to FB
Henry Hynoski has not regained all the strength in his right arm after suffering a burner Sunday-his second in two weeks.
That means Bear Pascoe once again faces the task of preparing to be both a fullback and a tight end heading into this weekend's game against the Buffalo Bills.
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No word of a signing yet.
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Last year, they were three tight ends who didn't make the Giants' roster.
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Giants lead the NFC with a 71.4 TD% in the red zone
It’s funny when toothaches go away, you kind of forget about them. Last year’s biggest problem seems to have gone away.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions
One problem fixed
And now a few others have risen. I am glad our red zone TD% has gone up. That gave me fits the past couple of years. I am just hoping we can now fix the new problems (i.e. o-line, lack of ground attack, etc).
When Barden comes back it will improve more
Nicks and Barden are matchup problems down there
And Ballard is coming on for those plays
Just hope they don’t Try to go big and just jam it in
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Barden has to prove that first
But he should be
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Barden has to get on the field first
The receiving corps has already started to deepen without him
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He's their best slot option
It’s the position he’s trained for since getting drafted
His size in the slot is a great matchup for us, over the middle at 6-5 matched with a 5-10 CB, or if they run he gets to block that guy
Plus in the red zone, it stretches the DBs. You don’t want to force a CB to single him in the Corner, same with Nicks. But that means it’s harder for the defense to get 8-9 guys up at the line.
So I suspect he’ll get plenty of opportunity. of course the coaches might just ask Mario or Victor to grow.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I dont think he is the best slot option at all
I also dont think its the position he trained for since being drafted, SS12 was here so that cant be true, he learned all the spots and was put in the slot due to injuries, he did an ok job from what i saw.
His size does not bode well for the slot, he is an outside WR believe it or not just like in college. you want someone more shifty and elusive not to mention quick in and out of there breaks than Barden would be in the slot….you also leave his tall lanky frame too open for LB’s across the middle.
I think he gets plenty of opportunity but his value lies in him being outside on jump balls and allowing guys like Cruz and Nicks to play the slot. Barden would not be the best slot option IMO for us, he would be a hell of an outside target theoretically. He can do some slot but i wouldnt just say put him there at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Then you need to call TC
Last year he was listed as Smith’s backup and they’ve used him in the slot quite frequently. He’s definitely the most trained there in terms of the reads. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen Nicks in the slot, though I think he would flourish there.
In college they used Barden all over the place, and he caught balls all over the field. His tape against Wisconsin is what convinced me he’d be a good pro. He made nice plays everywhere in that game against a DIV 1 defense.
As for Cruz, his natural skills seem to be making plays on balls in the air. Putting him in the middle of the field would reduce that because you’ld be inviting safety help over the top.
As for LBs impacting Barden over the middle, I doubt it. He routinely abuses guys like that in camp, he’s just too big. Plus they’d have to pull a LB to cover him.
But it’s a fact, in the past Barden has seen field time in the slot, quite often.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Defense
I hope the defense practice jamming this week. Better see them up on those recivers or be a long day at the office.
kenny phillips led with his shoulder
i thought thats what they want players to do?
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 13, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions
Not really a BS fine
The ball was gone, and he left his feet and launched himself into the receiver’s head. That will be a penalty — and fine — every time. It was a bad play, and he deserved the flag.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 13, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
There was no malicious intent.
He was trying to make a play.
But that’s todays NFL, and by that definition you are right El Ca-piton.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 13, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That falls under
defenseless player now, will get fined every time.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 13, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
its still BS
what if miller left his feet to make a play on the ball? thats what kenny expected. im pissed kenny didnt hit him harder if he was gonna get fined…. if your gonna get fined might as well make it count and knock the guy unconcsious….
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 13, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you
The reverse angle replay was damning
He lined him up and took a head shot, thats clearly a fine now, and even Phillips knows it, he’s just trying to get the $ down
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
This is nothing new for Phillips.
Every year he has a few launching penalties. I’ve seen him do it plenty of times.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
And i dont even mind it
I think it makes receivers think twice and thats what the NFL is trying to take out of the game…..FEAR… they want to legislate fear out of the game but im glad KP isnt having it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I suspect you'ld feel differently if Nicks or Cruz missed half a season to concussion
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I would feel bad if they missed half the season due to anything
but this is football…… we are in a division where Brian Dawkins and Sean Taylor use to take heads off….this is nothing new and i dont fear it at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Guys like Dawkins are why they do it this way now
I respected Dawkins, but he toed the line of dirty play on almost every down. Used to hit past the whistle often (not late, just right after), would always take a head shot when he could.
The league wants to see the best players on the field
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
And he was one of the best.....you cant pick one over the other
To me a Safety isnt really good unless he tip toes on the line of dirty play…..just look at the best Safeties over the years, besides Ed Reed who is by far and away the best safety in the league and maybe ever, but he is an annomoly IMO.
Every other safety, has to be damn near dirty and knock heads off if he is going to be good. I dont condone hurting people purposley but hey if you gotta knock heads, it is what it is…..its part of the job description.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Cheap shot Lott was one of the best ever
But the game has changed, and now safeties need to be even better
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's because you are not the one being hit.
But I agree with your Dawkins and Taylor point though.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 13, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm
Ive been hit playing WR….. and ive also done the hitting at Safety, its football.
Whats funny is the guys that get hit would probably tell you to a man, i dont want him fined…it was just a hard hit…..its the guys who have never played fottball I.E. Goddell that overreact to everything.
I hear ya, but this is what yo signed up for.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Point well taken.
Oh, and I stand corrected.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 13, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you Gates.
I don’t like the fear being legislated out of the game either. It’s almost as if you can’t hit a guy with the ball anymore! And exaggeration, I know.
I’ll take the occasional penalty on KP if he can put some fear into receivers minds.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
i wouldnt
this is football…. u put the pads on and u get hit….
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 13, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
ball was gone, he knew it, and he delivered a shoulder shot anyway
It used to be allowed, now it isn’t
Your argument is against the new rules, not the enforcement as currently written
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
perspective changes a lot when someone you care about suffers head injury
as one who’s seen it up close, I’m more than happy for people to preserve their health and not sacrifice it for my entertainment from my couch
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Theres plenty of fear to go around
on plays where the ball is actually contested.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 13, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
they need to get back to the fundamentals of tackling then in the NFL...
becasue most of league either launches or leads with their shoulder. It just depends on the angle that the runner or receiver takes right before impact that will determine a flag/fine. NFL is dumbing down the game in this aspect.
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 13, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, there's too little classic wrap drive and drop tackling anymore
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Yes
Everyone wants to make the highlights
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
The funny thing is those kinds of hits rarely do.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 13, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And they all are taught to try and separate the ball from the ball carrier.
That has alot to do with the poor tackling. Everyone knows how game changing a TO can be and guys want to make that big play.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 24 BUF 20
More crap from Goodell
No Friggin’ Fun League.
Let’s just put flags on the receivers and QB’s or anyone after the line of scrimmage
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Gotta agree with Ed on this one
Thats exactly the type of hit the NFL is trying to do away with. I don’t buy Phillips’ explaination of “I was trying to make a play”. Everyone in the stadium could see that ball wasn’t going to be caught and decided to rail the guy anyway. I know I’m in the minority, but I don’t think its a bad thing that they are trying to get rid of plays like that.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 13, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Phillips took a page from the "Antrel Rolle Book of Bad Plays and Worse Explanations"
Boneheaded move that cost his team.
The thing that bothers me the most though is – these guys keep doing it and I don’t see Coughlin doing anything about it other than offering up his patented “constipated clipboard” look complete with arms in the air.
Like Matt Dodge last year, when Phillips or Rolle does this in a critical late season game to keep an opponents drive alive – blame Coughlin as much as you blame them. He’s watching it and letting it continue unabated.
VERY EXCITE!
If we get Prince and Tuck playing at close to 100% after the bye…this could look like a completely different defense.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 13, 2011 8:30 AM EDT reply actions
How much do you think he will play though?
I know he has been in meetings and is able to participate in non-contact practice stuff but, football shape, speed of the game(biggest thing for any rookie), etc will limit his abilities I think.
I am excited though just so I can wear my jersey without being awkward
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I don't think he'll play much off that bat
But come Week 15, 16, 17…he’ll be much more acclimated to the game (football shape, speed included) and will only add more talent to a secondary that could certainly benefit from some depth. If Tryon gets all comfy in the next two to three weeks as well, our secondary could really be nasty to close the season.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 13, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
which would be completely different than years passed
hopefully prince can pick everything up quickly and start contributing right away… this tryon fellow seems like he shouldnt have much trouble picking up our D.. we just need to stay healthy till the secondary gets it together
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 13, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
In combine workouts he was really similar to Patrck Peterson
And he’s supposed to be very smart, very heady player. If they use a press system, which tends to be easier to execute for the CB, I think he could be the Dime right away As he learns I’d push him to Nickel over Tryon
If they persist with the softer coverages that require more sophisticated recognition it’ll slow his progress.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Would Fewell know what to do with it?
Thats the real question.
I wouldn't get to worked up about Prince
I mean he is a rookie who has not played a meaningful down in a real NFL season. I hope he can provide a spark in some nickel situations but I don’t see this coaching staff throwing him to the wolves as soon as he is ready to go. I’m sure they will ease him back in to it. So I’m glad he will get to start learning the speed of the game and fingers crossed show a little something. It won’t be alot because of the giants coaching staff and his injury situation.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
He was one of the more NFL ready players in the draft
I doubt he’ll contribute right away, but I don’t think it’s crazy to think he’ll make some plays for this defense before seasons end.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 13, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope I’m wrong and the kid comes out and plays great from the get go but I’m with you on the fact the kid could and should be a real gamer by last quarter of the schedule.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I don't expect him to push Ross out
But there is a ton of things you can do with the CBs these days.
At the least, Prince and Tryon let you move Rolle back to a true safety and ditch the 3 safety thing. That might be more impactful than we expect. Because you get the benefit of Rolle being at his best spot. And you get a faster better cover guy on the field (Prince vs Grant).
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
he's not JPP, nor is he Linval Joseph
if anything he’s like Nick Fairley on the Lions. Actually I’d say he’s much more ready to play if he’s healthy then Nick Fairley.
It really depends more on his health then his ability to play the game.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
That and the schemes
Sme of our T2 zone coverages seem to befuddle our vets, it’s why I hate them, we have players, we don’t need to camouflage them. If Fewell and TC just take a leap of faith and change our defensive tone from passive to aggressive this team could murder people.
And they can keep playing the cover 2, but use more pressure and more press/ bump and run.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Without Goff and T2
Fewell is very hesitant to pull the trigger……. those two were a big part of that free aggression you want to see.
I just wish he would unleash Kiwi but i think he is purposley waiting.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That would be backward thinking
You need pressure more when personnel drops, who expects our rookie LBs to make every zone read right, time works against them
That doesn’t mean that TC and PF aren’t doing what you say
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I agree with you too true
as long as agression hits home….but without Goff to re organize and get everything back together, its probably hard to be so agressive when teams are doing nothing but no huddle on us.
Im with you, i say pull the trigger but he is like a man lost without his mike backer….he doesnt even trust Jones.
We basically play nickle all day even against non 3 WR sets, we still use the nickle, kudos to williams but damn.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I think it's a weapon, just like a 3 man rush
You do different things to make the thinking part more complicated for the offense
Against Seattle we were entirely too predictable. You could see it in the QBs and the play calls. They were way too comfortable. You have to rattle their cage and do it early, or you lose the mental battle
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Alot of their play calls were actually designed to beat the blitz
they just happened to beat the zone as well……. Thinking Blitzing was the answer is a little too easy, i think they were more prepared than we give them credit for.
Offense has to score when the defense gets them the ball, thats the way i see it……our defense was out there for 78 snaps!!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
My point is if they don't feel pressure they don't make bad decisions
I’m not saying just blitz all the time
You blitz on first down, just to make them think, then you show a blitz look, just to make them think. Giants gave up that part of the game. You could see it all game, Seattle’s QBs had no fear, never worried, made them into great decision makers.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
True.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
problem is the aggressiveness has worked without them
and if Fewell is purposefully waiting to unleash anything on this defense he should be waiting with a purpose on an unemployment line.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 13, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO i agree
but he clearly isnt even running the same plays for Kiwi this year, but maybe thats due to other things i have no idea about.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
The biggest blessing Prince provides is he limits the 3 safety package
which should have Sash in it instead of Grant anyway….there is really no argument to have Grant on the field, Sash can line up the whole defense, been doing it since college and its what impressed Reese, Ross and the coaches.
Anyway…… Prince coming back enables Rolle to go be our ball hawk.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
But Sash's recognition and speed aren't quite there yet
He might get there eventually, but I’m thinking next year is more likely
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Is Grants recognition and speed there??
What would we really be losing.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Better than Sash
I’m no fan of Grant, he’s lost a step and it hurt against Seattle, at least two picks not converted because he couldn’t quite get there
But Sash just hasn’t looked quite ready when I see him.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
agree, unfortunately
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Looked fine to me but really havent seen him more than 3-4 snaps
looks fast on ST, I just think its a name and rep thing.
Grant is not going to be sat for Sash…. we all know how the veteran love thing goes around here.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'm a Grant fan, but Sash should be given some snaps to get him ready.
Everyone on the coaching staff really liked Sash during preseason. Sash will not give the veteran leadership that Grant can offer at this point and that is a very critical point. Truth be told we do have some players that can be knuckleheads, and Grant will get them in line, Sash doesn’t have that ability yet.
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It's going to be trial by fire
Assuming Prince is ready after the bye.His first 6 weeks will be Brady,Brees,Vick,Rodgers.
He will be tested early and often
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Yup
He will get beat, we all know that but he will also do his fair share of good things im sure, will be great to have a kid who can also blitz…….extremely aggresive corner.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
While I hope Henry heals up fast
I think it was about time for him anyway to spend some time on the sidelines. He doesn’t seem to be adapting to the NFL very fast, and I think he is at least part of the ‘OL’ problem. Bad enough that he isn’t able to find someone to hit, but he is also taking up space in the hole.
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by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
His road was expected to be bumpy
But he has been doing well……. IDk, i didnt see him in very many snaps in the seattle game, i know we used our TE’s alot so i dont think he was on the field to much in that game.
wonder what his snap count was.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Is there a snap count log somewhere?
I think there must be such a thing, although I don’t ever remember seeing one. I had the impression he was in on more than half the plays, but it could be a false impression. After the 15 time of looking at the safety, I had to conclude that HE must have been assigned to the DT, otherwise the play design has a hypotenuse shorter than a side, and arriving at the wrong angle.
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by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
There probably is a log somewhere
That would be interesting…….i didnt see Henry much, I know we had to max protect on the line towards red bryant’s side all game with an extra TE, as well as use one to chip Clemons on the other side, that right there would mean Henry didnt play much but i could be wrong.
Havent had time to really watch the film i have.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I thought I saw
only 15 snaps somewhere…..but I felt like I saw him in more than that
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
And thats what i felt like he was in for.
The game plan didnt seem to even involve him so i cant really blame him.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
It was right here on the PFF numbers review
Henry Hynoski (+0.7) … Played just 17 snaps due to a neck burner. Not much known right now about his status for the Buffalo game.
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Sweet, so my eyes didnt deceive me.
Dont seem the FB position was a big part of the gameplan anyway on that day.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
17 snaps is about half the game isn't it?
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by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say
he is doing well, as you said it has been bumpy….
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 13, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicks and thos 3XL hands
@ProFootbalFocus No receiver has been targeted more than Hakeem Nicks without a single drop. 43 targets without a drop.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
When you don't juggle to make the catch you don't end up on the highlights
But after last year, this is another huge improvement for the Giants this year. Excellent post, thanks for sharing that.
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by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice pickup
Anyone who thinks he and Eli aren’t the foundation of the offense now, just don’t get it.
He’s dictating match ups (teams are swapping their CBs and covg to make sure he gets the right attn) and he beats it quite frequently. The next step is using the 3 WRs. Not to increase passing, but to force the favorable matchups. No way teams try to cover Manny or Cruz with a S. That means a LB is off the field. That should open up running lanes.
Then when Ramses comes back, you have two superior WR blockers, so you can easily spread and run
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Two more nice games from Cruz
And Nicks will be open all game long
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by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Nicks is open all game long
even when he’s covered.
ONE!!!! nice game from HAM where Eli actually looks to him and A WHOOOOOOLE lot would change
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
They don't use 3 WRs enough
Right now Manny and Cruz are splitting time, but whenever they are all on the field, the passing offense opens up. It’s a covg nightmare for most teams. Maybe against Philly you want to keep the LBs on the field, but most teams have a big drop off at nickel.
The 3 WRs does 2 things. One the matchup, but also, it makes it much harder to toss S help at Nicks. Now you have to worry about two guys getting deep. That’s how Nicks beat Peterson on the game winner, the safety had to stay home.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
+1
need to use the 3 wides more often!
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 13, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
working out long snappers!
man, that statement just brought me back to a really dark place
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 13, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
it's hopeless
save yourself
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Tynes just got his first figgie of the season
Maybe we don’t need a long snapper. Just keep that redzone TD percentage up.
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by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I know its early
but with our propencity for collapses and with the schedule being absolutely brutal down the stretch, is this a must win game?
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Oct 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
nope
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 13, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a must win game until it's a must win game
Madden used to say all the time, “You can’t bring out the must win game too early because what happens if you lose? You have lost the team then.”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Not if Dallas and Philly take a beating
Seattle did fine making the playoffs last year at 7-9, and then beating New Orleans. If we make it to the dance at 7-9, and are peaking, then that is fine. Need to stay ahead of the competition and get in, not more than that.
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by Spider Lockhart on Oct 13, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
we will have to win the division to get in the playoffs...
GB and Detroit will be the winner and/or wild card coming out of their division. We will have to keep an eye out for TB or NO in the South.
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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