Analyzing Carl Banks' Analysis Of Sunday's Giants' Loss
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
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If you ever listen to Carl Banks during radio broadcasts of New York Giants games, or during any of his other radio or TV appearances, you know that the former Giants' linebacker is not shy when it comes to dishing out pointed criticisms of players or coaches. His career accomplishments allow him to do that, and while I don't always agree with him what he says can often be thought-provoking.
Both during, and after, the Giants' 36-25 loss to the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday Banks had some interesting comments. I thought it would be worth discussing some of them, so let's do that.
Banks' comments will be in italic, followed by my thoughts.
Banks said the Giants should have run the football on first down from the Seattle 10, trailing 29-25, "instead of running a predictable pass play."
I saw some of you say the same thing in post-game comments. I see the logic considering there was more than a minute remaining and the Giants had three timeouts. I have to go back to this, though. The Giants had not been able to run the ball all day, what makes you think they could have run it there?
My issue is not with the throw, but with the mid-range pass thrown designed to go in the middle of the field. Getting to the five really does you no good, it's just a wasted play that limits your number of chances to get into the end zone. Plus, the middle is where bad things -- like deflections -- turn into game-deciding interceptions returned for touchdowns. Throw the ball into the end zone. Or, try a screen out wide for Ahmad Bradshaw that might create open field running space for him.
"Lack of discipline is when you make a bad decision with the football when you don't have to," Banks said. "Lack of discipline is being too predictable. Every time you (the Giants) come off a penalty you are passing the football."
Banks is opining there that quarterback Eli Manning made a bad decision with the football. I totally disagree. He has to throw that ball to Cruz as the break is being made, and he did. Cruz was open, and would have been right where the ball was placed without the slip. Again, I think the larger issue there is the mid-range play call with Cruz as the primary target is probably not the right call.
The second part of Banks statement -- passing the ball every time they come off a penalty -- might be accurate. Again, I don't have a problem with a pass in the first-down at the 10 scenario -- just the mid-range, middle-of-the-field play call itself.
"When you see the play there were three defenders there (around Cruz). Hindsight is always 20-20, but you had another option - Ahmad Bradshaw was standing to the back side of that play wide open, nobody covered him."
Well, sure. It is incredibly easy to see from hundreds of feet above the field, or on All-22 film, that Manning had another option. Cruz, though, was the primary target on a play designed to get about half the distance the Giants needed and he was open. The quarterback is only coming off of him to a safety valve like Bradshaw if he looks and the guy is not open. Bradshaw would likely be the last guy Manning would locate on the play, so ripping him for not going there isn't really fair.
On the fact that the Giants now pass to set up the run: "To be honest it's Tom (Coughlin) and (Kevin) Gilbride (the offensive coordinator), they go over the game plan. You know Tom likes passing the ball, too. It's all good when it works. Look, I can see where they're frustrated because they don't run the ball very well, but I think they've got to figure it out."
Yes, it is the head coach and the offensive coordinator. Yes, TC loves the pass despite his constant preaching about running the ball. Yes, Gilbride is a former run 'n shoot coordinator whose instinct is to turn to the pass when he needs a play. That's how it is, and everyone has known that for a long time. Yes, they do have to figure out the running game. They know it, and it is obvious they are trying.
Here is the thing I have to go back to. When the game is on the line in the closing minute why would you do something (run the ball) that has not worked all season and take the ball out of the hands of a quarterback (Manning) who has been playing mostly spectacular football for the last month? If they run the ball there, probably on a shotgun draw, and it goes backwards I can just hear the screaming about the stupidity and predictability of the play call.
"First-and-10 defense for the Giants has been horrible. They haven't stopped the run since the first game of the season. You'll never even see third down if teams can run the ball for seven or eight or 47 yards on first down."
Banks is 100 percent right here. Let me put it this way -- the honeymoon is over for Giants' defensive coordinator Perry Fewell. There are too many blips, too many inconsistencies, too many mistakes from a defense too talented and experienced to play that way for me not to be critical of the second-year defensive coordinator. This defense, even with the injuries, should be better than this. The fact that it isn't lands at the feet of the defensive coordinator.
Coughlin has talked for weeks about defenders failing to maintain "gap responsibility." I really, really hate to go here, but you know what that makes me think of? The 2009 season with Bill Sheridan as coordinator, when guys admittedly did not believe in what was being taught or called, and started doing their own things in efforts to make plays.
There is a huge difference between the incompetent Sheridan and the professional Fewell, but the problem remains the same. Guys don't jump out of their gaps or abandon their responsibilities if they a) trust their teammates and b) believe in what they are being asked to do.
"You can win in spite of mistakes. But in football, it normally manifests itself all at once when you least need it," Banks said. "Last season special teams were bad, especially the coverage teams, but they were winning in spite of. But when you needed it to be good you couldn't count on it."
Banks is exactly right here. Occasionally you can get by with mistakes, when the opponent is inferior or makes bigger ones than you do. You can't be a consistent, winning, playoff football team when you are your own worst enemy and continue to make the same undisciplined types of errors.
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I did not see the game
I think I can extrapolate things based on this… more mistakes and poor decisions, on both sides of the ball. I am not even going near the gamethread, that is a mess I don’t want to spend three or more hours cleaning up.
I’ll just say this… 9-7 probably wins this division, so Giants cannot let games slip away when they have a chance to win, despite playing horribly.
That makes 2 of us. I never get to see it since I unfortunately live near pittsburgh but going online to wfan allows me to keep up with the game. Lucky for us the division is up for grabs its just a matter of whether or not they want it.
its all or nothing
by clevacougar19 on Oct 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Give it to 44. on Oct 11, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Mr. Jamsackson on Oct 11, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so, Banks sees the main problems as . . .
offensive playcalling and defensive execution?
He knows a lot more about football than I do, but to me, the OL execution is the biggest problem right now.
Does he have anything to say about that? I’m asking because I don’t get these broadcasts.
Not sure how much his perspective as an ex-linebacker is influencing all this.
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Agree AJ
and compliments to you for your post on this subject.
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I think the offensive line is the major issue. Can’t get anything done if you can’t block properly, and you have no clue what to call because you don’t know what guys can block. Plus, you can’t get your defense any rest.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
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+1000
I unfortunately live in western pa so I am forced to listen to WFAN online but when Bob Papa, who is usually subjective, starts agreeing with Carl Banks then you know there’s a problem. The problem with this team is the online not allowing the offense to sustain drives and predictable play calling. Lucky for us this division is and probably will be a toss up come December
its all or nothing
by clevacougar19 on Oct 11, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the play called to Cruz
was a bad one. If Cruz doesn’t slip, that pass hits him in stride and I think he gets better than the 5 yard line. He may have taken it in. Eli actually threw a pretty pass, low and very catchable and timed well.
i feel as thuogh
the giants come into the season with a playbook entirely different than the season previous. what happened to the pitch outside, which was a staple point for the running game a few seasons ago? and what about the screen pass which helped give hakeem nicks his stardom? What happened to the quick slant routes that you couldn’t go 5 minutes without seeing last year? what im trying to get at is that the giants continuously change how theyre offense is going to play, but don’t use the plays that helped them in years previously. the only play they use consistently this year is the toss to bradshaw on 3rd and long.
This
I think this team tries too many long pass plays. When are they going to realize our line isn’t good enough to block for a seven-step drop every 2 plays?
by Mr. Jamsackson on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Banks is right
I listened to the radio broadcast. when you get down to the goaline twice in the 4th quarter, and get called for offensive penalties twice, it really shows a lack of discipline, and you only get 3 points.
Its hard to argue with Banks, he said the giants should run the ball, they didn’t and we all know what happened there.
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Ballard on the drive that only got a FG
and Beatty the play before the pick 6.. both false starts
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
that they do
biggest problem offensively is the line
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's weird too
I think the line was better at the end of last year than it is now and that was all patchwork with like the 4th or 5th string center and guard.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
"Biggest problem offensively is the line"
IMO The biggest problem with the defense is the Offensive Line as well. 76 Offensive plays for the Seachicks who were running no huddle most of the game that defense was gassed and couldn’t get any rest the Offense went 3 n out 10 times in this game. We could not maintain any sustained drives the O line is a mess and don’t get me started on field position in this game.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Yup, like you said they couldn't even change field postion
that was a big part of the game too
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Banks is right
The Giants lack discipline on both sides of the ball. Still, I’m hoping that they can get their heads together before sunday. I think that we can beat Buffalo but if the defense plays as bad as they did on sunday we’re done.
I listened to the radio broadcast
I agreed they should of run the ball on 1st down on the last drive. Yes the run game all day stunck but on that drive, it was actually working to a degree. Like Banks said, you can’t get predictable especailly in the red zone. But I can’t go too nuts about play to Cruz, he was Eli’s tusted target on that drive and at least would of had a catch at the five.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions
I've watched teh replay on the Cruz throw at least 5 times
sure there were 3 defenders on the screen, but to say there’s 3 defenders right on Cruz is asinine and just making stuff up just to complain about it.
Banks is a windbag who has nothing but negativity towards the Giants and acts like a know it all just cuz he played for the Giants.
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I would have to completely disagree
Banks does a good job of calling it as it is. He certainly isnt overly negative torwards the Giants. He just doesnt constantly kiss their asses like Michael Irvin does when he talks about the Cowboys.
I think we're listening to different Carl Bankses
he does a good job of calling the game, but calling it like it is? Not overly negative? That’s like saying Tim McCarver isn’t a blithering idiot.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the first time in the history of man that this statement has EVER been typed...
Tim McCarver isn’t a blithering idiot
You, sir, are a trailblazer!
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twas for effect is all
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
but I don’t agree with Banks that it was a bad decision by Eli.
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He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny how the result can determine
if a play is a good decision or a bad decision. Ball get’s intercepted and it’s a bad decision. If Cruz makes the catch, breaks a tackle and scores then it’s a great decision. If I remember correctly, the ball was low and inside. It was picked because it was tip upwards and redirected to the defender. Just dumb luck. Eli made a decent pass and Cruz tried to make a play.
Quinn must go !!
Well
The result should determine if it was a good decision or not, however the result doesnt determine if it was a good play call or not.
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Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont get it..... i missed the sarcasm, what did i say wrong??
Mind you i totally dont mind the play at all.
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Idk
that line sounded like a Charles Barkley quote to me. Nevermind
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
ok
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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determining this after the result is called hindsight.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure is, i dont get the commen??
some were saying it was a bad play call the other day because it was a pick, im saying just cause it ddint go our way doesnt make it a bad play call at all.
However typically you can say a play was a bad decision by the outcome…… keep in mind i do not think the play was a bad decision or play call sir.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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and that is all
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't a good play...
regardless of whether it had went in for a score of not. Three plays in a row went to Cruz. You can’t keep going to the same guy like that because eventually the defense will wise up and make a play on the ball.
This happens happens every week. Spread the ball around. Predictability is already killing us.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cruz was wide open
it was the right play. You throw to the open man, regardless of who it is and regardless of whether it was the same player on each play.
Cruz was open, throw him the ball.
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The flip side of this is...
Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball and keep running the ball until they show you they can stop it. Personally, I don’t mind running or passing until the defense shows they can stop it, but the idea behind it is either good or bad enough to either run it or not run it PRIOR to knowing the results of the play.
They ran the ball all game and seattle stopped it. One time for a 5 yard loss in our own endzone. Cruz was open. He slipped, we didn’t deserve to win anyway
by day tripper on Oct 12, 2011 2:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Throw it to the open receiver
Cruz was open.
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Agreed
He calls it like he sees it.
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by TrueBlue777 on Oct 11, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
As someone showed with a screencap yesterday
there is no one within 3 yards of Cruz. In NFL terms he is WIDE open. I have no problem with the play. It’s the false start that really screws you. 1st and goal from the 10 and 1st and goal from the 5 are totally different. If there is no penalty pretty sure they run on first down and see what they have on 2nd. With 1st and 10, since they have not been able to run, they don’t want 2nd and 10 or 2nd and 7, etc. That play to Cruz gives them at worst 2nd and 5 which opens up the play book again. Just bad luck imo.
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by blains2000 on Oct 11, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
penalties and turnovers
turnovers always hurt, but the penalties caused a few turnovers too. When they were at their own goal line a penalty (false start or delay of game, don’t remember which) causes them to get the play off late cuz they’re bitching.
Clemons gets an easy jump off the snap and torches Beatty. He knows the snap count and knows they’re passing. Beatty’s slow cuz he doesn’t want to get another penalty. And then its an Osi special for the other team.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
In that area of the field
you are not wide open, Banks is calling it predictable because he had been going to Cruz the entire fourth quarter. The decision to throw in that area of the field is very questionable.
I said yesterday there were three guys “around the ball”. It doesn’t mean they are in his jersey!
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by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then you can never throw in the red zone, esp from the 10 in
Because everyone one will be “covered”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I didn't say that either
If there are three guys around Cruz, somebody else is open.
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by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
3 guys around Cruz, none of which were really covering him. He was open.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Ahmad was open. All he had to do was walk...
tap Eli on the shoulder and ask for the ball. If Eli had given it to him, he STILL would havd scored.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There were two seahawk defenders 7-10 yards down from Bradshaw
Definitely gains yardage, but I highly doubt it’s a TD on that play.
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who cares if it was predictable
Cruz was wide open.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The throw is not what bothers me. It's the playcall
Why not a fade to the back of the End zone to Nicks? Why throw a 5 yrd slant over the middle of the field in tight Quarters where you know bad things can happen? Why Kevin? Why?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
The fade doesn't seem to be in the playbook does it?
Not sure if Gilbride doesn’t like it or Eli doesn’t like it or what
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it's there as a hot read a lot for Manning/Nicks
they run that back shoulder fade with just a quick glance at the line very well
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That they do
but the over the top fade with the throw to the back pylon you never see from them
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
think I saw it in preseason, but yeah. . .
they don’t go to it the way they did with Plax.
Then again, a lot of their TD’s have been pass plays from outside the 20, big plays, so they have not actually run as many red, er, green zone plays as people might expect.
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the back shoulder fade or the jump ball fade?
the jump ball fade was a mythical delusion even when Plaxico was here; it never worked when they rarely ran it.
The back shoulder fade….the Giants with Eli & Nicks/Ham are probably the best team to run the back shoulder fade aside from the Packers. They’re even running a fake one where Eli throws it out in front of Nicks (resulted in a TD each of the last two games).
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the jump one, they never run it - or never run it well
That’s what people always want them to run. It’s what everyone will want them to run when the Pharoh gets back.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
yep
I don’t think I’ve seen that play since Shockey was here
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here it is, ball already in the air out of frame
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by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you can tell what Eli sees there
Cruz is open. If he doesn’t slip, it’s an easy catch and decent shot of YAC (with Cruz slippery salsa hips) inside the 4 or better.
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and he'd be even more wide open if he didn't fall
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it would have been a TD
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He doesn't score there but it's definitely a positive play!
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He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
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by bleedblue12 on Oct 12, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
WIDE THE EFF OPEN!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
two hands might have helped his cause though
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he already had the top play on sportscenter
i guess he wanted another one
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
THANKYOU
It ticks me off that Manning had a career day and he’s being scapegoated by alot of people. The third pick was garbage time too, wouldn’t have happened in normal game play.
Did anyone else see the blocking for the play that got called back because of beatty??
granted the play was called dead, but if you watch… its a called run right behing McK. There was a hole there. Bradshaw would have run in untouched…
Like I said, the play was called dead but initially that hole was sealed pretty solid before Manning had a chance to hand the ball off.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
I agree
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
carl banks
was a great linebacker in the nfl for a long time, and a great giant. he gets paid to give his opinions and I appreciate his candor. Who else would know more about giants football than carl ? unless u were a player….
good for him
doesn’t mean he isn’t a windbag who’s talking out of his ass
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Dont assume because he ploayed he knows anything
His opinion alot of the times, is just that!!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
when he was #58, he was the man
now that he’s the media, he’s like any of these other moutpieces…annoying.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
I just judge every opinion indvidually……. i agree with his LB assessments most of the time.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I like Banks alot in his broadcast role
you can tell he watches alot of game film. But he is overly negative. Even weeks after SB 42 and in the following pres season, he was still talking about all the negative plays and mistakes the Giants made in the game. I guess he really wanted a blowout against the perfect Pats.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
His BBQ sauce is good too.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he has a BBQ sauce?
man of many talents…. he does a lot of home shopping network NFL gear shows too
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
he spends his whole life as a player trying to find the mistakes to correct upon…
once he gets into the booth, he cant turn it off.
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
I think that's right
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@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
True
He’s a very football smart guy. But he’s also extremely negative about the Giants. Whether’s that’s out of love or some bitterness, who knows.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
So, I'm gonna go out on a limb here
and say I’m pretty sure that Ed had a problem with the “mid-range play” that the Giants called down on the 10 yrd line.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
LOL
So Ed one thing you left unclear….What did you think about the mid-range play call from the 10?
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
I didn’t really start thinking about that until last night. I suppose if Cruz doesn’t slip it all works out.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
did you notice
its the same play that got Eli his int in SB42…. and the same route.. only then it was SS12
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
I think it's also the same play where SS12 scores on dallas totally faking the safety out
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I was screaming for a run too..
as was half my section. I thought running the ball would have been the move there even if it was unsuccessful to take some time off the clock. I was upset the last drive inside the 10 and they don’t give Nicks a chance to make a play. I know he’s having a big year but I feel like we are leaving plays to Nicks out there. Can’t put the ball in his direction enough IMO.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
If the run is unsuccessful
then you are in the position of having to throw. If Cruz catches that pass then run or pass is still on the table.
Yup
If the run gets stuffed on 1st down then you are really stuck and you don’t have the FG to fall back on.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Still like my chances with 2nd and Goal from the 10
I really didn’t have a problem with the throw and I think Cruz was open. I just thought they’d be looking for a pass and a quick hitting run play would have been a good playcall.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Cruz catches the rock
and gains 5 yards on 1st down. Call a timeout or run a quick hit dive and pray for some extra yards.
the play call is not that bad.
And that is assuming Cruz gets tackled immediately and does not gain any more yards(or fumble of course)
We called for a run
then beatty got called for an offsides…
Giants are young, and injured... Most importantly they are winning.
I agree that the play to Cruz was a bad decision only because
In that area its all Hakeem Nicks for me and he was bracketed softly so a throw in the right spot would have given him a chance.
In all fairness though, the Cruz TD was a horrible decision but remarkable play.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I was more upset they didn't go to Nicks
In the last trip inside the 10.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes thats the only reason i question the decision
Nicks is your big play red zone guy, where was his shot?? and he was fairly open.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Agreed
I think Eli tends to force passes a little too much to one receiver at times. I was looking for a run on that tip int on the last drive. Killdrive deserves some of the blame too.
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JJ
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by TrueBlue777 on Oct 11, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
ACtually the Cruz TD was a good decision
but Eli underthrew the ball by about 3 yards.
Cruz was aleady past the safety and the CB was trailing when the ball was thrown.
He had to stop(or slow up) to even make a play on it.
I kind of agree
more of a bad throw (or just an underthrow) than a bad decision
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I have to see it again, you are probably right
but i think it may have just seemed like the safety was beat because he was playing the underthrown ball.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Now the Jets are videotaping the Patriots?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
just their feet
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
my 2 cents
If the offensive line doesn’t get sorted anytime soon. Interceptions are going to be common place. (you think last year was bad??)
The end result of a non functioning offensive line.
1. No run game
2. Hurried passes (increased Interceptions)
3. Eli on his back
4. One dimensional offense(Forcing Eli to win games by passing)
5. Teams will go to town on us (as they currently are)
by Giant_In_Texas on Oct 11, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
Have to agree
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
hard to nit pick the last play of the game
and i’ll tell you exactly why.
let’s say Cruz catches that pass….and let’s just say that he does get tackled at the 4 yard line. The giants had time to go ahead and score a GW TD.
and HAD that been the case, NO ONE on this site, and I repeat NO ONE would give a crap….
this site lives and dies w/ “W” and “L”.
After a “W” I talk about Fewell’s deficiencies and what is it met with? “Give it more time Andi”….“Top 10 D last year Andi”…“Go jump off a cliff Lemming”
frankly I think if there is a game to chalk up to nothing more than Turnovers….this is the one….but it was a folowed by a “L” not a “W” so i guess the nitpicking is allowed.
TeamJPP
I didn’t have an issue with Eli going to Cruz, simply because as of late he appears to be the only player that is playing all out plus some. Granted he also cost us in some plays ….fumble and the slip. He is a double edge sword to watch, because you know when he has the ball something is going to happen.
by Giant_In_Texas on Oct 11, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
ultimately
it wasn’t the Cruz INT at the end of the game that cost this game for the Giants
thats like saying Matt Dodge was the reason the Giants lost to the Eagles last year.
it’s a cop out.
so let’s stop micro analyzing 1 play and actually talk about what’s really going on here!
TeamJPP
by andiamo708 on Oct 11, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
FWIW
I’m getting fairly tired of watching last years Indy game plan this year week in and week out.
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by Larry Soprano on Oct 11, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
this was well documented
and should continue to be…..even if, dare i say it….they beat the Bills.
TeamJPP
Coughlin gets the blame
I’m tired of hearing him sarcastically say “blame it on me, it’s all my fault.” It’s his fault because he is the head coach. It’s his job to get his team ready. Hopefully the O-line will be ready to run block and protect Eli or it could be a rout because the Bills feed on turnovers.
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I dont think he was being sarcastic at all......he's a pretty stand up guy.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
This is the first time i have ever seen someone hindsight need glasses
Carl Banks has no foresight, insight and now no hindsight.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I was impressed with Carl's clairvoyance
I was one of the posters that Ed referenced had spoke of Carl’s comments after the game. While I don’t necessarily agree with Banks that a rushing play was the call, I do agree that a pass to Cruz was the predictable play.
That said, I agree with Ed that the play call was flawed in that a passing play short of the end zone is no better than a rushing play… but with greater risk (since the ball is in the air). A draw play would have less risky and still possibly resulted in a TD. A pass into the end zone, possibly off play-action, would have been preferrable.
That said, Carl seemed to call the disaster before it happened…
it may have been predictable, but if so, why was he wide open?
Banks is just wrong about how much space Cruz had.
Someone please repost that still shot, it’s clear.
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Can Agree with Carl on a couple of issues...
First was and is the play calling, on the 1st and 10 should have run the ball first then do a pass. Decision to go with Cruz was not a good one, Bradshaw was wide open in the flat!
Carl is stressing what many of us are calling for and that is STOP being so DAMN predictable in certain situations. Everybody in the world know that we live off of the play action, time to at least to START calling plays that our outside of our box.
The mistakes being made by the different players can be corrected over time, but time will soon draw near!
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 11, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Disorganization
reared it’s ugly head again…..barely getting a play off before the play clock expires, taking a penalty for too much time after a time out……false start penalty. It just seems like a common theme we the team loses
Lots of analysis seeming to focus on the pick 6 play to Cruz
Not sure that particular play deserves so much scrutiny though.
As a general statement however, I do believe they have to run the ball more. Yeah I get that its a chicken / egg argument (if it worked better, they’d run more) but honestly I don’t buy that explaination anymore. I wrote this big thing about playcalling in general, but then realized I think I can make my point in a more succinct manner:
I went through the play by play quick, and looked up how many times the Giants started any first and 10 situation with Run / Run playcalls (so, Eli scrambling doesn’t count as a run). Know how many there were? Four. In the whole game. Wait, it gets better. Want to know how their situation looked after each of these 2 run calls?
3rd and 7
3rd and 2
First down
First down
Am I saying “they need to run on every first and second down?” No, of course not. But I AM saying they throw the ball WAY too much, especially on first and second down.
I am sorry to everyone for complaining about the same thing every week, but IMO this is a big problem and its getting worse by the week.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
I think the reason
for throwing so much on 1st and 2nd is a lack of confidence in the OL.
I think you then need to see what the situation was after running on 1st down
If it’s 2nd and 10 all the time I could see why they would pass on 2nd down.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yards to go after a run play on first down were:
5
7
8
9
8
11
8
7
7
1
Even if they run on 2nd and 7, 8, or 9 (and again, obviously not every time)… if they get even a couple, they’re still better off than their average 3rd down situation for the year . I mean, its clearly a big reason why the Giants are so bad on 3rd down this year. Everything is 3rd and 7 or longer.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they said 9 of the 12 3rd downs were 3rd and 7 or longer - yikes!
No wonder you go 1-12.
But maybe it is just sticking with the run more. I don’t know. A few more 5,6,7,8 yard runs wouldn’t hurt.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yeah I really don't know either
But this same pattern has been going all year (maybe longer, but this year is particularly pronounced). I am just starting to doubt the “the run game just sucks so they shouldn’t bother” approach. Even if its only 2 or 3 yards at a clip, thats really fine, especially when the score is close. Bradshaw had 0 carries in the second quarter. How many times have we seen Jacobs standing on the sideline when the offense is on the field, helmet in hand and not even sweating?
Rest the defense. Don’t let them tee it up on the pass rush, make them at least think you might run the ball (imagine the grin on Osi’s face if you told him “yeah the other team this week only runs the ball 3 out of 10 snaps”). At some point one of the backs will break a long one. 3rd and 4 is not a terrible situation to be in.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 11, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been waiting for that all season.
We can still get 7 yards or so in first two downs by running which can open the pass for 3rd down which will keep the defense honest and we could still run the ball and get a first down on 3rd down while they had to cover our WRs. Well something like that could be done.
Let's Go Giants!
carl banks
spends too much time around the giants organization trying to get a front office job to ever say anything bad about the coaching or team management. so when push comes to shove he loves to throw players under the bus. I feel like his insight can usually be boiled down to “you just gotta play better football then that”
as for the ill-fated pass to cruz, the move there would’ve been a play fake to cruz and then a jump ball fired at nicks. a run would’ve gotten stuffed.
the real problem is definitely the o-line though. and if we once again have some aging veterans in there (diehl) that aren’t getting it done, while young talent is sitting aging on the bench, then that is really all on the coaches.
Do not besmirch my man Carl!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 11, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
I like to listen to Carl, I do think he gives some insightful tips here and there
But here is what is bothering me about the Giants
-Our O-line sucks, they can’t run block and seem to get worse every week, on top of that the pass blocking is mediocore, guys come throught the line unblocked on the regular now. We have injuries and guys are just flat playing bad, how we fix this I don’t know but if it’s not fixed we are not winning very many games from here out.
-The Defense can’t stop the run, teams are running wild on our D, is that just guys not maintaining their gap or is it the fact that we have a rookie at MLB or both.
-Seems like we don’t blitz and play man to man any more, I understand that you can’t do that against good QB’s a lot, but Tavaris Jackson and Clip Board Jesus should have been getting blitzed heavily. Seem like now if our front four does not get there the QB has all day.
-Is it to much to ask for our ST to make a major play, right now they are doing okay and not hurting us, but when are we going to get some of those big runs, Devon is okay but the guy was making big plays in preseason, we need him to do that now.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 11, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
defense
We’re getting good push in the middle against the run (thank you, Linval!), but getting beat around the edges.
In the last two games, some of that is on Osi as he is just not very focused on the run (though he did have one nice stop this past week).
Some of it is on missed containment assignments, especially by Williams (who I love), who is using speed and a high motor to make up for some lapses in his reads and assignments. Hey, he’s a rookie, albeit one with exciting upside.
The 3 safety nickel has just about become our base set, and it’s not getting the job done on the run. KP is still assigned to play 30 yards off the LOS and while Rolle is generally very good against the run, he always has one or two plays per game where he bites the wrong way or takes a bad angle, and it proves costly.
Grant is looking slow out there this year and is just not getting where he needs to be for consistent run help. I don’t know if it’s bad angles or what.
So, the nickel package is not getting it done against the run. Either the nickel 3-S nickel set gets more run and assignment discipline, or maybe we work Tryon into the nickel and let the safeties play a more traditional role. Or maybe Sash can help a bit more and keep the others more fresh.
I don’t know the answer. I just know the current nickel set, which has effectively become our base, is not containing the run.
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3-S Nickel
My best guess as to why they play this as often as they do is because they have little confidence in Greg Jones in pass coverage. Even so, they might be better off with Jones on the field more often considering how badly they’ve been burned on the run.
Jones ate running backs for lunch at MSU. I’m hoping the pass coverage is the only reason he’s been left off the field, but I haven’t seen enough to be sure.
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yup
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Yes Tryon for nickel and Rolle on the back line
I bet having KP and Rolle back there let’s em both play closer (less responsibility splitting the field)
I think it makes press covg so much easier (KP and Rolle are great at the ball hawking and the press invites over the top passes that they can try to attack)
But they have to complement it with more pressure looks. They are getting hits and sacks as it is. The next step is to accept some risk and put the fear back into QBs.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
And you know he says
“Ya know Bob! before every comment which is priceless.
LOL
I always get a kick out of that
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey how about the defense?
Where they in the stadium or did they just get guys off the parking lot?
The delays of games, etc. have been common with the Gints for years. Besides when does Eli ever snap the ball with more than 4 sec left on the clock? Puts the O line in a tough spot waiting for the snap until the end of the clock.
This
Ever since TC came on board…this has been a very undisciplined team. And forgetabout the delays of game…I think that the coach and the oc are afraid to hurt Eli’s feelings hence the issue has never been corrected. Eli underthrowing the wr’s..what else is new bro.
'the coach and the oc are afraid to hurt Eli’s feelings'
swing and a miss on that
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
anybody else think Banks
is like that Impossible to please Dad in one of those bad romantic comedies of the mid 80’s.
You down wit JPP?
i think this and you think that and he thinks something else....
the only thing that is certain is that none of us can predict or know what will happen.
by The Blood of Eli on Oct 11, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
No need for this Blog then
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 11, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we really want AB struggling for an extra yard
THAT is when bad things happen
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
Passing after penalties
Of course the Giants are passing after penalties. An offensive penalty almost always results in a passing situation. It’s 1st and 15 or 2nd and 20 or 3rd and long. Running the ball is great, but gaining four yards on 1st and 15 versus four yards on 1st and 10 are totally different things.
Also the dissection of this one play is a big time waster. The Giants should have had this game on lockdown when they went up by 3. Defense has to at least force a FG on that last Seattle drive. Why the Cruz play is getting more attention than the play that left Baldwin wide open for the game winner is beyond me.
Aaron
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Fewell as Bills DC
In 2006 they were 5th worse in the league against the run and 7th best against the pass. The huge dependency can be attributed in a large part that they were so bad against the run teams didn’t bother passing. They were 18th in total yards allowed.
In 2007 they were 8th worse against the run. 4th worse against the pass. 2nd worst in total yards allowed.
2008, his last full season as DC 11th worse against the run. 13th against the pass. 14th in total yards allowed.
More proof that Perry Fewell isn't the man for this Defense!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
or that the talent in Buffalo was terrible
which, at least on defense, it still is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Fewell could be fine
But if he’s behind the soft cover schemes and refusal to use pressure as a weapon, then he and TC will soon be memories
Wait till we play teams that won’t self destruct as much. There could be some very ugly games. I’d love to be wrong about this. Really hate that I’m even saying it, but I think the Pats game might require two bottles of PeptoBismal. The Giants might win, cause the Pats D is worse than ours. But you know that Bill and Tom would love to hang 80 on us.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Fewell could be good...agree...but
he needs to stop with all of this complicated D scheme stuff and stop this zone coverage in the secondary. Go back to the regular 4-3 and not this 4-2-5 BS.
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 11, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
they need to blitz more
he needs to act like we’re playing the Eagles each week.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
+1
That’s what I can never understand. Every so often Fuel has a game where he dials up tons of blitzes and we dominate on D. After those games I think he’s going to continue with it only to be disappointed!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
A bronze statue of Chris Snee goes to......
The person who can refer to a post before week 5 that says the OL is THE problem
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
Me, Bobbiblue Troy O for certain discussed our OL worries
Didn’t everyone worry about the sacks and the running game, that’s the OL
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Offensive line worries have been a subject since 07
But we didn’t dump it all on them until this week. Easy to plug in a RB, time is needed to make one man out of five. Don’t remember much support in the draft for going two OL in the first 4 rounds.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not counting us out my man
I’m not a member of the wet panty brigade. Till they are eliminated I’ll believe they can win the Super Bowl. But from week 1, some of us said, UH OH.
I expected Snee and Big Mac to be the foundation of the line. I figured Diehl would be solid but unspectacular. Thru 3 games I thought that Beatty and Baas were best. Baas for adapting quickly and Beatty for really stepping up. That makes me nervous. What happened to Snee, Diehl and Mac? Maybe injuries … Maybe age … But I get nervous when things go opposite of my expectations.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
wet panty brigade...
What is that? R. Kelly’s fan club?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
LOL
NICE
I just hate when people flood the boards with capitulation after a loss in October or September. Grow a sac, take a risk on the team coming thru, and if they suck, join Mocking The Draft and start looking at next years top prospects.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Yea count me in that boat.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 11, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also flatly untrue that we tried to pass to set up the run
At half time there were 15 passes and 14 runs, basically even
First quarter I quickly counted 8 or 9 runs. Therefore desperately to establish the run. IT FAILED.
Why? My guesses:
Right Side of our OL against Left of their DL was a mismatch, but the coaches called their faces instead of left side runs that might have been more efficient
The OL has been terribly inconsistent
They expected it, as did everyone else, so their D was stacked against it. Funny thing, they threw the ball nicely on the first possession.
They eschew the short pass in lieu of the handoff. Way too much is made on carries. What’s the big difference between handing the ball to AB or letting him run wide and catch a ball. Not that it’s a big deal, but just an artificial narrowing of approach.
Communication, clearly they all aren’t on the same page.
Feel free to add your reasons
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
they all aren't on the same page because only McKenzie
is playing next to the same guy he played next to last year. And he only has one guy.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok but those 2 haven't been setting the world on fire either
The thing is they need to stop running out of the gate
Ball control passing, flares, outs, ins, Make them adjust. Then when they back off, run it down their throats.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Somehow we never see
the play calls that WE make, that don’t work
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a firm believer in the path of least resistance
Teams are still loading the box. Especially early. It’s not the particular plays I care about. It’s the insistence on a certain game plan. Establish the run, then play action.
You can just as easily, establish the pass, then run and finally get to the play action
For me it’s efficiency. If they are giving you some passing lanes in the first Qtr take em.if you see them back off run it. Remember they are piling up yardage overall, why not try to help the run with the pass?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We need to establish the run for the season
Not for the game. We run right because that is the biggest challenge for AB. We have a whole season to get through
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we run right because they expected Snee and McKenzie to plow open holes
It hasn’t happened. Last year Boothe and Beatty did really well run blocking on the left. and Diehl might just shock people if he can get out and hit instead of running over to pull.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We need to adjust to all situations that we can exploit...
if that means coming out throwing then so be it. Have to be flexible in this everchanging NFL landscape.
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 11, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I looked at the numbers pretty in depth this morning
and there is no way in hell there was a 15 / 14 ratio in the first half. They only called 2 runs in the entire second quarter, and at the end of the game they had only called running plays about 32% of the time.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 11, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The interception
was just an unfortunate turnover. Cruz was surrounded by 3 defenders and it was a bit of a tight throw, but likely to be completed if cruz comes out of his break cleanly. The problem is, there was no reason to be that aggressive there. We have 4 downs and plenty of time to go 10 yards. I would’ve liked to see a run there but I can understand not running because we hadn’t been able to run all day long. A dump off to AB would’ve been the better option there IMO.
I am ready to lose to the Seahawks
if it builds confidence in Victor Cruz to take us to victory 12 times in his career
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
So, assuming Steve Smith were completely healthy right now...
Does he solve the third down problem? Was it really him and him alone (Eli/Smith chemistry) that made the team successful on third down?
Or…It doesn’t matter who is playing the slot because the Oline is so bad that the team would fail more than not anyway?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
it was Steve Smith
Welcome back Steve, how did you like Philly? Did I talk to you about contracts yet?
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he is looking at the emty trophy case and thinking...
ALREADY??!!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Who is Jason Avant
and why is he playing ahead of me?
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They miss Barden
He was trained as Smiths backup, in the game against Dallas, the chemistry was growing right away. Big Big target, long arms, good hands, he was getting into the soft spots and catching the ball.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
And up until now
The only big mistake I see from management, is failure to manage the Steve Smith situation. Come on guys, he was one of us. Talk to him.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's all take it down a notch with Barden
He hasn’t done shit yet. I hope he does but until then let’s just see.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Have you heard anything on him?..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
He's looking at his empty stat line and clean uniform
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
SB49 in Glendale
pack your bags Giants fans!!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Here's my take on the Cruz interception
It’s ok to have a receiver run an intermediate route in that circumstance if you have other options that put receivers in the end zone. But I think it’s troublesome to have that play be a timing play and to have it be option one. Busted timing plays have a tendency to yield interceptions — like in last year’s second dallas game. In fact, I think the Giants rely on timing plays all too often rather than having Eli actually look at the field and make a decision based on how the play is developing.
As for the throw itself, I agree that Cruz was open enough that it was not unreasonable to throw the ball to him, but there were 3 defenders nearby and he was likely to get a double or triple hit. He was unlikely to score, so I don’t see it as a play with a high upside, and a lot of downside.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Oct 11, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
You're describing WCO vs our 1/2 field read tree patterns
Eli is supposed t o make timing throws and anticipate the WRs
It’s why the WCO guys have the stats.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We already lean to much on Eli
Please let’s just give him a play and it okay if it doesn’t work, Not everything works.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure do prefer it around here
towards the middle of the week, when the guys who are trying to provoke Rohrshach have left
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Breaking down this disaster is up to the Coaches and players..
Everybody knows what the problems are, but it is up to them to find the solutions..Again I am not going to knock Cruz and Ballard for rookie mistakes..I point to a old O-line and not enough effort fom MM and HN..The defense?..They need to stop the run…They need to pick the ball off when it is in their hands..It is just one of those things where nobobody is fulfilling their roles..At any given point in the game on both sides of the ball your looking at a few guys doing their job…No communication, no synhronization …We have about 4 guys going after it and 7 holding their nuts..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Early on
I was hesitant to assess our OL, and whether or not they were of the calibur that we thought in the early goings.
While we still have a relatively small sample, the one thing that is fairly consistent is that we’re not having substantial success running the ball. I thought this was to be our ‘bread and butter’, but we just don’t have a good run-blocking team. At least for right now. I have no idea as to how to deal with / fix that.
It was glaringly obvious that Tuck was missing from the rotation in this game, but what really bothered me is how they just ran all over us. Some players played well and some really sucked. The end result of all of it, though, is that they basically ran all over us. We should be ashamed.
I would’ve also liked for a pass designed to get Bradshaw wide and get him some space; I’ve never liked those kinds of passes when the field is so small. Apparently there were enough players around/close enough to Cruz because someone picked it off, and returned it all the way, right?
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
Well I've been saying, not that I'm an expert by any strech..
We need an unorthidox approach..use play action passe to loosen up the opposing defense, then run it down their throats..Our O-line can’t open holes in the traditional sense..So fake it, throw it, fake it throw it then balst out some runs..gotta get the defense off balance..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
At least we will not be single dimensional if we did that.
TC? KG? Are you reading this blog today?
Let's Go Giants!
I am glad you could fight thru my typos..lol
But I do believe they need to do different things..like I said normally the run opens up play-action..in our case with this line struggling we should do the oppisite..I think if we can do everything opposite we’ll cover our weaknesses..When KG develops a plan..reverse it..Do it the opposite way…..It’ll screw the opponent up
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LeBron
tweeted John Clayton asking when the deadline is for a team to sign a free agent. how about we sign LeBron to play TE?
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
He would be leaping over everybody!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Oct 11, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
only for 3 quarters tho
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
by netsareboss on Oct 11, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow haha comment of the month
zing! and rec’d
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
lmao.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 11, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fred Jackson might go for 200 on us.
And I’m sick of hearing about the pick six at the end. Who cares? It’s a joke that we were in that situation in the first place. No excuse for not blowing out that team. You could see it coming all week, even on here, nobody was saying much about the Hawks. As usual, the Giants played down to the competition. Hopefully they play up to the competition this Sunday. Cuz 3-3 won’t work.
In Reese I Trust.
They spent too long celebrating the Philly win
Everyone thought that the Hawks were a gimme. They are a team on the rise like Washington
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was about to post just that.
It does seem we over celebrated our Eagles’ win for two weeks.
Let's Go Giants!
A win worth celbrating as it counts for two
and media attention is part of the job, but need to keep moving
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so we go to the desert...
beat ARZ, and than come home and start getting complacent?
no. I don’t agree at all.
the team has glarring issues…..Perry Fewell’s lack of pressure on the QB may just be the biggest one of all.
this is what i don’t get about this place and from Giants fans in general….barely pulling out a W vs. ARZ is nothing to celebrate, yet “we” did, and while the coaches may not have, judging from Fewell’s approach….I can’t say that w/ 100% certainty.
TeamJPP
i said after ARZ
that the Giants have now made Grossman, Bradford, and Kolb look like really good QBs….btw, that’s not an easy task to accomplish
they followed the same approach vs. T. Jack and Whitehurst and this time the Offense turned the ball over and bing….they lost.
and it shouldn’t only be discussed after a Loss.
it’s not a “trap” or complacency….it’s turnovers and Perry Fewell.
Turnovers can be corrected…Can Fewell?
TeamJPP
We aren't Green Bay
A win in the desert was a good one. A fourth quarter comeback an important step. We don’t have the team to dominate every week, yet. Pieces are falling in place.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Oct 11, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
see this is where I disagree
injuries aside, this team is flooded w/ talent….
their Dline is still very potent and one of the best in football
but why does the approach change? almost on a week to week basis.
why was it pressure vick in philly but let Kolb and Whitehurst sit back and relax?
why has CWeb been an “off” corner since Fewell got here only to suddenly play bump and run this past week vs. Rice (not that i’m complaining)
i just don’t get the inconsistencies w/ the coachign staff more than anything.
TeamJPP
Inconsistant playcalling
I do not get this either. Rushing the passer is what the Giants defense has been famous for (decades) and yet we are not doing it enough in the games this year. If we were rushing and harassing the QBs throughout the game and in all games it can have better results for us by low scores from the opponents.
Let's Go Giants!
TC warned about the Seahawks and said they will prep for them
But it seems that our players were too confident after the Eagles win and then the Cardinals win. They got too overconfident and thought that they can always win it in the 4th quarter.
Coughlin always edifies the coming opponent for that week but this time the team did not listen. Yes we do have weaknesses on certain spots but we did well working around those spots in the previous two games then looked down on the Seahawks and assumed that it will be a gimme.
Let's Go Giants!
b/c players thought they would win at the end
doesn’t mean they thought it would be a gimme
they are coaching not to lose…especially on Defense.
there is no real consistency w/ scheme and it looks Fewell’s idea is to drop guys back as much as possible until teams get in the red zone and than he stacks the box and the line…..
TeamJPP
seems like everyone praised him for it after Philly
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
the Philly approach was different IMO
I thought it was a lot more aggressive actually.
I thought the Corners were playing more “man” that game than they have this entire season (w/ exception to Cweb this past weekend vs. Rice)
I thougth they did a good job of pressuring Vick too eventhough they didn’t get a lot of sacks.
I thought the Philly game has been the best coached game thus far, by both Fewell and KG.
I thought Wash, St. Louis, ARZ, and now Seattle were horrible coached
TeamJPP
+1
Agree with everything here. Blitzed Vick a ton but other then that has been very laid back on D and it baffles me!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 12, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Spider..I got quite a bit pissed at you last year..I forget what for..but..
Your handle is one of my all-time favorite Giants players..damn I wish we had a guy like him today..Cancer..geezus…He kept hope alive for many years
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I listen to Carl Banks on the postgame show on my way out of the game
He is direct and no-nonsense. He thinks out of the box. I do not always agree with him, but he is always thoughtful. Frankly, I think he would make a great coach or assistant coach.
The pass to Cruz up the middle where he slipped and the pick 6 decided the game was a bad call. Was Cruz going to run it in for a TD in the crowded middle of the field?
I posted earlier that a fade route to Nicks would have been a better choice. If it is overthrown, it goes harmlessly out of bounds. On the othere hand if our Megatron catches it, we win. Maybe Banks will hire me as OC!
A good play feeds off another, The old Giants run the ball, consuming time, giving the defense time to rest while tiring the opponent, being rested the defense can play with more intensity.
In defense; pass coverage needs improvement.
In offense; OL coach have to get after the OL guys to play in sync with each other and create some holes for the runners.
THE GIANTS HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RUN AGAIN!
Not easy to do, but it’s all we need. We have very good talented players.
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