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Why The Offensive Line Is The Giants Biggest Current Challenge

[Note by Ed Valentine, 10/11/11 10:43 AM EDT: This is excellent work. Well thought out, well written, well worthy of being highlighted. ]

This was originally a comment, but it was waaaay too long.  And someone asked me to turn it into a post, which I don't do very much.  So here goes, with some minor edits:

For a team whose philosophy is built around controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, with offense built off the run first, and defense on stopping the run and penetration for the pass rush. . . the OL is a work in progress.

That means half the winning formula is not running on all cylinders.

True, injuries are a factor, but they are a factor in every year, and predictably so. Injuries don’t come out even across the league in a given year, and while the defense has been hindered by them, it hasn’t totally busted, in spite of its problems against the run and yesterday for the first half and the broken second half TD coverage.

Star-divide

The defense is on the field a lot. The Giants have not been able to take control of time of possession, so that exposes the defense more. If the OL can be consistently above average, which it is not right now, then the whole situation changes dramatically.

The plan this year was to move David Diehl to LG where it was expected he could be a net positive, above average, extending his career and making up for a bad last year. But he’s been pretty consistently poor this year.

The plan also relied on Kareem McKenzie to be at least above average this year, after a stellar year last year. But so far, he has been average at best, a bit slow. His skills are degrading faster than expected or maybe he’s a bit injured, who knows. Whatever, he has not lived up to plan.

Chris Snee also is less consistent and is not getting the reliable push we have come to expect from him.

David Baas has been good overall, an upgrade over last year, but still is learning the system and how to make calls that work with the defensive schemes he sees and the talent around him. And now he’s been hurt.

William Beatty has been good for a first time starter overall, but had a bad game yesterday. Got to expect some inconsistency from a first year starter, even if he is a third year player.

Jake Ballard has been hit and miss with his blocks and better than expected running routes. Bear Pascoe is kinda slow, competent generally but inconsistent. His primary value at this point is he knows the system and is better than any obvious immediate replacement.

Travis Beckum has seen limited action due to injury and has actually done better in blocking than his reputation would lead anyone to expect. It’s been at his expected area of strength, route running and pass catching, where he has been of no impact whatsoever.

Blocking from the backfield Henry Hynoski has done well for a rookie and shows steady improvement.

The RB’s in the blocking game are okay, though they miss things from time to time.

Bottom Line:  What all of that equals is an underwhelming level of control of the offensive line of scrimmage, and while I think the plan to start the season was not unreasonable in its expectations, it has not lived up to its expectations on the field.  I know a lot of people felt strongly the front office did not pay enough attention to these risks going in to the season, and although I was not as concerned, five weeks into the season they have a decent case to make.

So, from what I can see, the biggest problems with this team come from the OL collectively being at best average and inconsistent, from the defense seeing too much time on the field to be exploited to bad 3rd down conversion rates to an inability to run the ball and deploy good play action, where Eli typically shines (though I agree with some BBV commenters that his PA fakes were really lame yesterday).

Update:   Thanks, Ed!  Didn't expect to be promoted.

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Absolutely it starts with the Oline.

You control the LOS, you control the game, we know this.

It is especially true on the offensive side of the ball for the Giants. Our identity as a team, our collective confidence, has come from our Oline when it has been great, or dominant.

You list the problems AJ, so I don’t have much to add.

 I hope Baas is not hampered by his stinger for any extended period of time, our cohesiveness has got to start at the center position. After the Seahawk game, I won’t take that center/QB snap connection for granted anymore.

Same thing with Snee and his concussion. I don’t know what is going on with him, but we need Snee to be the Pro Bowl Snee.

We will either get better here or we won’t. Our season depends on it.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 10, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Snee may be an island

with a deteriorating Mckenzie on one side and a new Baas on the other.

by Jolly on Oct 11, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting thought. As in, he doesn't know which way to turn...

Which would lead me to hypothesize that:
1. Mac is playing very poorly
2. Baas is still trying to get in synch with his new linemates.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

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by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what just happened, ????

I posted my take on the Oline, and it disappeared and I got the double post above. UGGH

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

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by tommy d. on Oct 10, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

well, if the play action is called, then it has to be run. . .

otherwise, all you do is just waste more time for the QB to get hit by a pass rush, and pass defenders won’t react to the run. The whole point is to cause a hesitation that frees up receivers.

Whether or not the play action should be called when you haven’t established a run threat is another question, and a good one!

But once the call is made, Eli has to at least run by doing more than just waving the ball in the direction of a running back two yards away while making his drop back. Audible out to something else if you’re not gonna execute the fake.

What sucks is Eli can run the play action fake well.

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by AJ_in_VA on Oct 10, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The clock in his head

was no doubt sped up yesterday.

That will effect how much he sells the PA fake because he is worried about getting mauled.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

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by tommy d. on Oct 10, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably right

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It also can have something to do with the RB

If they have blitz pickup, and the D disregards the play action, they may not be able to slide in for the fake

We run a balanced offense, not pass first, having become a pass first team it’s killing us. Something has to give.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you what has to give:

The Oline better get their shite together or we are staring at an 8-8 type of season.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to get people riled up. . .

but I said before the season this was probably an 8-9 win team. That was because of all the injuries preseason and the number of things that would have to go exceedingly well from a player development perspective to get to 10-12 wins with a brutal schedule.

But on the other hand, cutting turnovers from last years’ team would be a major boost and a first place finish. Problem is, that all assumed no new problems this year. And it turns out the OL underperforming is a new problem, if Diehl, Snee and McKenzie continue as a group to do less than last year’s group at the same positions could do.

Happy to be wrong, obviously! And hoping for much better.

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, on all of it.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

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by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm also beginning to think Diehl needs to lose his starting job

If Cordle can play guard as he did in spot duty yesterday, then give him a shot. Or Petrus. Let’s get someone in there who has some fresh push ability.

Diehl is just looking slow and not very strong. He gets no push, no quickness to the point of attack.

Clearly he knows his assignments, but if he can’t execute anything, it’s time to make a change. I don’t think the team should wait until the season goes slips away.

It’s not as if we need more evidence that the running game is too weak. Since when do the giants average 80-something yards on the ground per game, and a paltry 3-point-something yards per carry?

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I've thought the same thing

I’d like to see Boothe over there as soon as Baas and Koets are active. Boothe has blocked well, but the other duties, in a pass first scheme he’s over his head at center.

After that I’d be looking at McKenzie. It’s like he’s a different guy than last season.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I have been wondering.

once Koets becomes able to participate in practice after we play BUF, I hope he will be healthy enough to do so and show the coaches that he needs to be in there at LG after the bye.

Does that seem like a plausible option?

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

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by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Depends on, if I had to guess, Diehl’s health and Koets progresion post injury.

But I think they’s keep Koets as the backup C and try other options, like Boothe or Petrus, at G if it came to that.

My worry is they just won’t bite the bullet on Diehl, fearing the loss of continuity and consistency with assignments by taking him out. They’d rather establish Baas first, and right now they have him supported on his reads and audibles by Snee on his right and Diehl on his left.

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense, BUT,

Baas had 4 games in the preseason and 4 games in the regular season. I the majority of his establishment is completed by now.

I like the idea of giving Petrus a shot at LG, but I had in the back of my mind his development schedule and TC’s unwillingness to replace veterans with younger playes before he deems it to be necessary. Hence the increased probability that he may replace DD with Koets.

Either way, I think it is quite obvious that DD is not a good player anymore and it would make sense from where I sit to try someone else. (ANYBODY, PLEASE!)

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

* "I HOPE the majority of his establishment" is how it should read...

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

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by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Baas full acclimation to the system takes at least 8 games, if not the season

generally speaking.

That’s why I think they’re giving him his experienced LG and RG crutches for the audibles and reads.

Problem is, as you say, DD’s actual performance and remaining skill set.

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's hard for us to know exactly what's going wrong

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we can survive Buffalo...

We’ll be in good shape. I think one more week (and then the bye) will help this unit get some much needed rest, as well as give our coaching staff and players additional time to evaluate.

Baas has been good, despite coming into the offense with very limited time to get it down. I think the injuries to him and Snee (provided they come back completely healthy after the bye) could be a positive if we can somehow manage to escape Buffalo with the “W”. Reason being is that it gives our backups some much needed reps. With concerns about the health/skill of some of our starters, I think this is a solid opportunity for some of our backups to gain experience, especially considering they’ll likely take first team reps all week.

With the changes we’ve had on the line, I think how we look come week 8 will give us our barometer for success this season. And yes, I mean the success of the entire team, as I don’t see this team making a playoff run if we keep getting this kind of play out of our line.

The hope is that as the weeks go on, the unit will solidify. In theory, that is what should happen, but we can only hope…

by Max Schwager on Oct 11, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

And that is why the Snee injury is so compelling.

It will “open up some doors” in practice.

How much time will Petrus and Brewer get with the first team this week. And will Koets be practicing next week when he is eligible to come off the PUP list.

We have options, good options IMO. Thank you JR.

B

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way you help the O-line

3- and 5-step drops. WR slants (0 yesterday). Screens when 7 guys blitz (outside the tackles please). 10-yd backshoulders. Swing passes to the RB in the flat. Run out of 4-WR sets.

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."

by ct17 on Oct 11, 2011 1:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha!

The day Gilbride dials up the slant more than once in a game is when hell freezes over and the Lions start a season 6-0.

by Max Schwager on Oct 11, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are talking about a WCO which we don't run

Since 2007 I’ve felt that our offense doesn’t play to Eli’s strengths. He’s a thinker and that’s the most demanding part of the WCO. Our offense basically divides the field in half, has 3 reads on on side, the QB is supposed to have an easier time just having to scan half the field. But field command is Eli’s strength.

It’s fine if we can run the ball, because he gets windows that are manageable, last game is a preview of what to expect. Teams don’t respect the run, jam the underneath zone with a LB or two and safety coverage over the top.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't need to run a WCO

To dial up the slant. It’s a simple route. And it doesn’t need to become a staple of the offense to be effective. Just a few times to keep the defense honest when blitzing.

I’ve seen this Giants team, under Gilbride, also call the screen play numerous times. It just seems that they don’t like to call it at times when it would help the most (when we face heavy pressure).

by Max Schwager on Oct 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screen passes, see: Giants with Tiki Barber

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about the different drops

3step, 5 step, not really what they do

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this week?

Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"

"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."

by ManningHam and Cheese on Oct 11, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea get rid of the god damn ball

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diehl has been terrible

Thank God he isnt at LT any longer. I would like to see Petrus get a shot to see what he can do in game action. I wonder if Petrus hasnt shown much in practice or it has to do with TC not wanting Petrus out there between Beatty who is a first year starter and Baas who is new to the team.

by Giants56 on Oct 11, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

yes it would

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No viable solutions

The answer is getting better players, but it’s hard to do at this point. We should have used a second round pic this year on an O-lineman. Maybe a third round pic as well as Jernigan can’t seem to impress the coaches enough to get on the field.

by TheGifford on Oct 11, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Hynoski has been awful run blocking so far...

Idk what games you’ve been watching. He struggles mightly getting proper blocking angles. I hope he pulls it together soon being a rookie. There was a significant improvement when he was replaced by Bear. Even if it was just for a few series.

Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.

He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?

That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!

Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 11, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

disagree

He’s shown progress every week.

He is now at the point where he is hitting his correct assignments with consistency and stopping the LB he is assigned to hit.

He’s not dominating but he’s doing his job. Not a bulldozer at this point, but he stops the progress of the correct defender for the play.

He needs to continue to get better leverage and block lower, react even faster and think less, and that comes with more snaps. But the week to week progress is there. The talent is there, the progress is there, he just needs to continue to grow with technique and in making his actions more automatic. As he does that, bit by bit, he gets more acceleration and push.

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@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your point illustrates a funny thing about fans

People always complain that the rookies don’t play but when they do they don’t want to live throught the inevitable growing pains. Hint: That’s why coaches don’t like playing them unless they have to – lol.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Oct 11, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hynoski

I second the notion that he is horrible. He has been.

by dubsrub on Oct 11, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Said the same thing on another post yesterday. He is tenative approaching the hole. If you watch him closely, if there is no one to engage, he just slows down and lolly gags. Whats that make him?
A lolly gager

by Jimmy Orange on Oct 11, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of adjusting to the speed of the game...

I take that as him over thinking things. When your reflex action isn’t to do what you are supposed to, then you hesitate and look tentative.

Given that Hynoski is an undrafted FA that had a very short preseason to develop, I’d give him more time before casting any judgment.

by Max Schwager on Oct 11, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. . . reps and exprience bring decisive action

more automatic, less thinking

And in spite of his misses weeks 1 and 2, he’s improved every week and right now he’s not missing, if you look at the film.

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Secondary is my main concern

Yes the OL is a problem, but you have to give the guys a break in this respect that:

1) Baas joined the team and had no camp.

2) Its Beattys first year as a starter

3) The injury situation has everyone playing everywhere

With reps, this line will improve. But if we keep juggling, then expect the problems to continue.

I worry more about the play of our secondary…. Our safeties play WAYYYY off the line of scrimmage… To me Phillips is drastically overrated, Grant is old, slow and can’t play, and Rolle is a perpetual bonehead. Hey, you watch the games – every catch our receivers make is some one handed circus catch in coverage, or a back shoulder fade – you watch the other teams receivers, they catch the ball and there isn’t even a Giant in the PICTURE……. our coverage is horrendous – I think Safety is looming as another big need for us. If it was me, I would play Sash tomorrow over Grant – he will make youthfull mistakes but I doubt if he would be a bigger liability. Get well Prince.

by dubsrub on Oct 11, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yesterday the longest Seattle pass was 27 yds

Teams know

They know where our Safeties will be, they know the DBs often give a big cushion and they know our LBs especially not named Boley have trouble with their zone drops.

They are simply playing in the space we have provided. Blame the HC and the DC that positions them. Or at least blame them for not changing it up enough to keep teams honest.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done, AJ....not much more to add

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 11, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

gracias

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that was me

who said make it a post :)

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by netsareboss on Oct 11, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

props dude

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, if you put it like that. . .

I think Andrews is the only one in that group with anything maybe left in the tank, but he has chronic back problems as well.

Really, I don’t think any of the above brings anything we don’t already have as good or better options close at hand among our other backups.

Andrews’ brother is not as talented on the upside, but he’s more consistent and able to help at OT. Petrus is more a RG than LG but he’s young and talented and knows the system a bit, and he filled in well last year. Koets will be back off PUP soon and may be ready to pitch in. Boothe is better at G than C, though he has been pressed into C duty with Koets on PUP.

I think we have options, the real question is whether the coaches will want to make use of any of them. I’m not optimistic, barring injuries to starters.

@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!

@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen

@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take the gun

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing to address is the Delay of Game Penalties

1) Giants let the play clock go down to zero when they snap. Sometimes they will go no huddle but mostly it is down to zero seconds. When the opposing defense knows exactly when the ball is being snapped (at the last moment) of course it gives them an advantage. I am sure TC and KG can work on that.

2) The delay of games penalties are just terrible (and at home is just ridiculous). First they let the clock wind down to zero then they get a delay of game penalty!!!! I am thinking that if they did not have the mentality of letting the clock go down to zero it would help eliminate the delay of games.

Any thoughts from you folks in here? Ed?

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by BB1156 on Oct 11, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree it's ridiculous

The delay of game stuff is chronic with Eli as he calls out the MIKE and calls audibles. Sometimes it looks like the play call comes in late as well. It’s correctable but it’s so frequent that I’m not optimistic it will really change. Would be nice if they could vary the count a bit, as you say, to provide a little more deception against the defense.

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by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guess what..

Then when the clock is down to zero, the opposing teams seem to know exactly what play has been called.

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by BB1156 on Oct 11, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking this before the O-line started to suck

but,

we are seemingly so stacked at every defensive position … EVERY defensive position,

that DESPITE the Giants well-established BPA drafting strategy, I think there’s a great chance the Giants take an offensive player in the first round next year, BARRING the great defensive beast they consider a steal at their position (See: Amukamara.)

Those are big ifs, I know. But give me the coin flip. It’s an offensive player:

It won’t be a running back. The Giants believe in O-Line = good rb play. What was Bradshaw, a 7th?

It won’t be a QB. Eli has bare minimum 5+ years left in the tank, and we have BOMAR — I know he’s not signed but he’s BOMAR.

It won’t be a tight end. We have Beckum, Ballard, & Pascoe.

That leaves WR and OL.

OL has, in my entirely non-empirical opinion, the greatest overall success rate of any position for a 1st round pick. In recent years I’ve wanted guys like Bulaga, Maurkice, Carimi, and etc.

I think the Giants go OL with their 1st round pick next year.

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by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

with the usual caveats that it's impossible to project that far out. . .

for a kajillion reasons. . .

It’s not at all far fetched.

The only minor thing I’d say is I do think they’d be interested in a TE, just not with a first round pick. Aside from all the BPA stuff.

The wild card here is JR is so confident in his evaluation skills that if he thinks he can steal a OL guy in mid or late rounds, kind of like a Jaquian Williams situation, then he’ll stick with BPA early.

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by AJ_in_VA on Oct 11, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or a QB

For some drafts we were drafting QBs too and then released them.

Let's Go Giants!

by BB1156 on Oct 12, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we pass up Floyd, Blackmon or Alson Jeffrey if they're on the board for us

you’ll kill yourself too.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will see what happens.

Let’s see what happens when the season is over and I am hoping we win the last game at Indy with another ring. FO has the philosophy of BPA so we will see what happens.

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by BB1156 on Oct 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WR? if not for Cruz we would be killing Reese for not drafting one higher this yr.

Speed kills .. Kick return/punt return would be nice. not sure why Scott’s not getting a go.

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by Troy O on Oct 12, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott would be good

With AB and DJWare and Scott I hope we do run over 100 plus yards this week. Scott is good to run a 60 yarder by himself.

I would like to see two back sets from now on which also helps on QB protection and keeps the defenses honest.

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by BB1156 on Oct 12, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 backs would take away an extra lineman or TE to keep Eli from getting killed

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by tommy d. on Oct 12, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

sarcasm font failure.

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by tommy d. on Oct 12, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know why he's not seeing the field

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by tommy d. on Oct 12, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

JJ still doesn't get on the field.

Hell, he doesn’t even get suited up on game day. And you think we need more?

by Maryland Fan on Oct 12, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

you're confusing "need" with beast mode WRs

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