Big Blue Disappointment: A disappointed fans take on yesterday's game

by bleedblue12 on Oct 10, 2011 8:19 PM EDT

First, let me start by saying I'm one of the most optimistic fans you'll come across. That being said I'm going to go through some of my concerns about this coaching staff and the DC Perry Fewell to be more specific. I'm a firm believer in that a team will take on the personality of the coaches. The lack of emotion on D can be attributed to them thinking instead of using their athletic ability. Do you think worrying about an assignment doesn't effect your aggressiveness? I sure do! This defense and the secondary in paticular would vastly improve if Fuel would just use these players in an attack based defense. I watched Corey Webster struggle year after year in a read and react D only to watch him revive his career under Spags in an attacking D. Yesterday was a prime example of Fuels unwillingness to change a scheme that isn't working. We sit back series after series getting gashed in a complex zone scheme. Yet when we do blitz and play man it works. I've been waiting almost two years for Fuel to see what we all see but it's obvious he thinks his scheme isn't the problem. At this point I'm starting to wonder if Perry Fewell is the right man to lead this defense to where it needs to be. Our secondary is not really suited for a passive bend but don't break system. They're are built to get after the QB and get physical with the WRs. I fully understand you can't blitz every down and you can't play man exclusively but overall we should be blitzing alot more on passing downs then we currently do. Also, I understand if you live by the blitz you die by the blitz and big plays against are going to happen. It's way more demoralizing to let a team march up and down the field uncontested then it is to give up one 80 yard play. These games (an inferior opponent at home) are games that good teams have got to win and we let the game slip through our fingers with nothing but what ifs. Sorry if this was long I didn't intend it to be this long.

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I seperated the paragraphs

Not sure why it didn’t post like that! This is obviously my 1st fanpost! Lol

Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.

He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?

That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!

Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

You can still edit it.

look at the top right corner of the post and you will see a little pencil. Click on it.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 10, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

it dawned on me earlier today

aside from Spags, Coughlin’s track record with his coordinators has been a complete disaster. Starting with Tim Lewis, Sheridan and now Perry Fewell. On offense we’ve had the Jekyl and Hyde, Gilbride. Us fans don’t need to be reminded how poor our special teams have been under TC with coordinator Quinn.

It’s not a coincidence prior to Spags and after Spags our defense has struggled. We’re not equipped to play a read & react or zone defense. Our schemes are too complex for today’s athlete. It’s not a surprise Bill Belichek trades down draft after draft. On many occasions he bypasses the superior athlete for the intelligent athlete. The NFL game has become too complex. Today’s NFL player requires athletic and intellectual abilities.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 10, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions

I couldn't agree more

I’ve made that point about BB drafting “smarter” players over the dominate athlete! Its obvious that our D plays MUCH better in attack mode!

Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.

He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?

That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!

Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 10, 2011 9:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Belicheck has Brady

if he doesn’t have Brady he’s drafted terribly for a number of years even with all the picks they have.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 10, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 10, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Eli > Brady

by GMen56-11 on Oct 11, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

its probably less coughlin's decisions, and more the lack of quality DCs in the league

usually when a top flight coordinator establishes himself, he’s quickly promoted to a head coaching position.
the DC lifers are there because they weren’t good enough to land coaching gigs.
coughlin had gone after dom capers pretty aggressively, and beyond capers and maybe gregg williams there isn’t really much else out there.

by cntrlalt on Oct 10, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree

TC doesn’t run the D. But he hires the DC, He absolutely looks for guys that are passive. Spags was an off color hire, and it was speculated at the time, that he was forced on TC.

What makes me squirm, is that we’ve seen Fewell dial up pressure D that was just as good as Spags. If TC Wanted it more we would see it. What makes me get acid reflux is that it’s classic D theory that you blitz to cover weakness. We’ve got obvious injury weaknesses, and obvious pressure personnel, yet we persist in schemes that make it harder on our personnel to be successful.ww

It’s mind boggling.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Blitzing doesn't work every time

Every running play isn’t successful. Every passing play isn’t successful. Every facet of the game isn’t successful 100% of the time.

Blitzing not only puts pressure on the OL and QB but even well unsuccessful it serves its purpose. It confuses the OL. The line needs to make adjustments. When we infrequently blitz as we done this season it’s easier for OL to block 4 DL with 5 and sometimes with additional help. Yes, we lead the league in sacks. We do so despite PFs scheme. We do so because our DL is arguably the best in the league. That doesn’t mean to we don’t mix it up. Keep the opposing offenses guessing.

PF is terrible. Unless he changes his scheme when we start playing the big boys like NE and GB most other BBVers will be calling for his head.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 10, 2011 9:17 PM EDT reply actions

Don't forget QB comfort

Eli made mistakes cause he was under pressure

Their QBs didn’t because they didn’t fear the pressure

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions

+1

by GMen56-11 on Oct 11, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions

While I agree with you for the most part

about wanting to see more blitzes, I think that is less of a problem than our corners playing zone 90% of the time, and Rolle playing in the slot (out of position).

The 4-3 Defense is predicated on the lineman making the plays. Making more tackles against the run than you would see 3-4 lineman make, and getting pressure on the QB’s with just rushing four.

Our corners can play press, we know this for a fact. But Fewell will not do it.

And I’m hoping that the corner we just signed from Indy (forgot his name) and/or Prince can take over the slot for Rolle so he can go back to playing Safety where he belongs.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 10, 2011 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

I agree the zone is our biggest problem..

but the lack of blitzing and all around pressure for that matter is only making it worse. Rolle is definitely uncomfortable in the slot to be kind about it (flat out brutal to be a dick about it). We as fans can only hope PF finally sees what we’ve all been seeing for 1+ seasons now!

Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.

He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?

That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!

Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 10, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions

this is the problem in a nutshell

the lack of blitzing and all around pressure for that matter is only making it worse

when the QB isn’t pressured it allows the receivers to find the soft spot in the zone.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 11, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions

they go hand in hand

I think that is less of a problem than our corners playing zone 90% of the time, and Rolle playing in the slot (out of position).

It’s PF’s scheme. Rush 4 drop 7 into zone coverage.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 11, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions

I see what you are saying.

I see it as, more pressure by the corners at the line will disrupt a route and give the pass rushers another fraction of a second or more to get to the QB. And we have DE’s and DT’s that can get pressure on the QB.

Some other things I would like to see:
1. A healthy Tuck to complete our Dline rotation.
2. DE’s playing DE and DT’s playing DT.
3. When we can’t get consistent pressure on the QB rushing 4, bring 5. If that doesn’t work, bring 6. And bring it from where we have had success before, from the slot. Mix in Kiwi rushing as the joker. Bring it from where ever the offense shows weakness on film.

Just please stop allowing WR’s to find soft spots in the zone while LB’s and secondary players pass players to one another. Hate this passive bullshtimey.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 34 SEA 17

by tommy d. on Oct 11, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the pressure is a weapon to itself

They don’t seem to call holding on pass plays much anymore (on us or against us), so 4 means no adjustments or pickups for the OL, Means a short drop and quick reads make a sack unlikely, Means the QB can get into a rhythm, Means the WRs start feeling out the zones, Means your DBs have to play even better

But with pressure, the following happens

OL has to change assignments

The offense will pull a guy from the pattern to help protect against blitzers

That means the QB will have Fewer options and has to become a better decision maker

It means the receivers have to run tighter patterns, quicker cuts

So to me you bring the pressure in the hope of getting the sack, but mainly to simply pressurize the offense. We’ve seen it now against Kolb, Jackson, Grossman and Whitehurst. Unless you pressure them they look like Hall of Famers. Why, cause the NFL can’t legislate them into smarter better pressure players.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 13, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions

with all due respect....

let’s take it easy on Cweb A)….

B) and I said this earlier….I really thought Fewell allowed Cweb to play more bump and run on Sunday vs. Seattle than I have seen him do…ever. Under Fewell that is.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Oct 10, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions

I wasn't attacking CW

I was actually defending him. Not sure why whenever CW is mentioned you rush in like his mom to defend him. Even in a case like this when he’s not even being criticized!

Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.

He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?

That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!

Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 10, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

I was joking around

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Oct 10, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry ;-)

Little trigger happy there!

Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.

He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?

That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!

Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 10, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I think CWEB is doing it on his own

The other cover guys were not doing it

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions

The problem is bigger than the defensive secondary.

Even with the large chunks of yardage that this particular defense gave up in Sunday’s, it still yielded a lot of turnovers. I don’t think that Fewell is the problem either. Everyone was happy with his defense last year when he went blitz happy. I don’t think that the decision to play complex zone defenses. that decision has got to be coming from higher up. Also a question; Did he blitz a lot as DC for the Buffalo Bills when he was with them?

Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.

by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 10, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions

I've never been impressed with Fewell....

even last year. I never remember him being “blitz happy”. He baffles me with his gameplans. I don’t even know what he’s trying to accomplish on D sometimes.

With the Bills it was the same thing yielded a ton of yards with alot of turnovers. That’s Fewell’s MO bend but don’t break and hope the QB does something stupid. Another HUGE hole in his game is in game adjustments, how many times are we going to watch a gameplan flop and PF refuses to change!

Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.

He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?

That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!

Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.

by bleedblue12 on Oct 10, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

not really

everyone wasn’t happy with his defense. We still gave up chunks of yardage and lots of points vs the better teams. We were embarrassed by GB.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 11, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

The basic parts of the defense work

The problem is that there are some simple decisions that are made that hurt us badly. We are getting killed on outside runs. There is nobody there to contest the corner. Logic dictates you start creeping the LBs out wider. Nope, not us.

The 2-deep has been preventing the big plays. It is supposed to be the foundation of our defense. Yet we also do not trust the backup CBs. On Seattle’s final offensive TD, KP moved up to be the dime CB against a 4 WR set, leaving 1 deep, rather than pull a LB for a true CB. If we have 2 deep, that TD does not happen.

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."

by ct17 on Oct 11, 2011 12:52 AM EDT reply actions

Regarding Fewell...

Last season, he was up for head coaching positions for a reason. That reason is that the Giants, despite leading the league in turnovers, also led the league in takeaways.

He has been baffling, at times. However, at other times, our defense has just played poorly or succumbed to injuries.

I keep pointing to the go-ahead touchdown Seattle got, where Ross and Rolle just stopped, and the Seattle receiver went to on to score without a defender within a mile of them. And then, it appeared as though they were laughing about it after the play. To me, it just doesn’t seem like some of our players care enough about winning. The talent is there, but the desire to win is lacking, otherwise there wouldn’t be any smiling after getting embarrassed like that on a broken coverage.

by Max Schwager on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 AM EDT reply actions

Also, think back to the Rams game...

Where Grant and Ross both let a receiver run free because they couldn’t simply touch him down. It’s the completely stupid Pop Warner mistakes that get me most about our secondary. Never thought I would miss TT as much as I do.

by Max Schwager on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions

3rd and 7 ball near midfield, make a play and the game is just about over

Instead of throwing the Kitchen Sink at Jesus Whitehurst, we go soft zone, no balls. He scans the field and makes an easy throw to a top target.

If there was one play all game that demanded press and pressure that was it. Depending on Eli to save their buns every week is just chicken coaching. If you aren’t willing to take calculated risks and let all your players have a hand in the outcome, you’re playing not to lose. We all know how that works.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Oct 11, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions

Totally agree!

Greatly dissapointed in PF, and why he is in the mix for HC jobs year after year is beyond me (Rooney Rule anyone?). This defense is predicated on one thing only, and that is sacks. Not pressure, but sacks only, because if they don’t get the sack, they get exposed. The only way they have success is if they actually bring the QB down before he releases the ball. There’s really nothing else they do well as a unit. This soft zone is a joke. The corners are 7 yards off the ball giving up slants all day, and the outside runs are crippling. I’ve been saying that for weeks. Everytime a runner turns that corner, there’s no one there, week after week. They never bring the backers up in support. The only time they cut those runs down, is if the backer makes a nice read and comes up real fast (though rarely), otherwise, they are getting killed on the edges.

Jim Sheridan must be loving this.

by GriegoLoco on Oct 11, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions

I don't care how good

Osi, JPP, Tuck et al are. At this level 4 against 5 or 6 is going to lose the battle most of the time. Good offense have good OL that’s when we get killed.

by GMen56-11 on Oct 11, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions