Tom Coughlin 'Too Uptight?' Maybe Antrel Rolle Looks For Too Many Excuses
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2011 10:21 AM EST
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The New York Giants season is over. There is, however, apparently no end to the stuff that comes out of Antrel Rolle's mouth. The Pro Bowl safety said several controversial things about his new team during his first year with the Giants, and that is continuing during the off-season.
Rolle's latest subject is coach Tom Coughlin, who he says "too uptight."
Rolle separates Coughlin the man from Coughlin the coach. The man, he enjoys. "On a personal level he's one of the best guys you could be around," Rolle said. "Very caring. Honest guy."
As a coach?
"Honestly, that's where the problem comes with me, as a coach. When you're talking about the coaching side of things, do I feel like things are a little too uptight? Yeah, I do. If he just loosened up just a little bit, run the ship the way you want to run it, run the program the way you want to run it but let us have a little fun, because at the end of the day that's what it's all about.
"He has to understand we have a great team, we don't have guys with discipline problems. We're going to pretty much handle our own outside of football. When it comes to football we're going to take care of our business on the field. Just let us have a little fun a little bit, man. I like the coach, I understand what he's trying to do but he has to understand it's 2011, man, things have changed."
Rolle's comments were made on WQAM radio in Miami during a show with Sid Rosenberg. Rolle strayed into the Coughlin chatter while talking, as you might expect, about the New York Jets.
"Do I think they're the best team out there? I don't think they're the best team out there. You can name a lot of teams better than them. If you match us up against the Jets, do I think they're a better team? No, I don't think so at all.
"But when it comes to their chemistry, I think their chemistry might be better than ours. I think they have a lot more fun than we have . . At the end of the day, yeah, we're professional athletes, we get paid a lot of money to do what we do but we're all human. No one is a robot at this level. We do have feelings, we like to have fun. ...
"People want to talk about Rex Ryan and this, that and the other, that team is going to war for him," Rolle said. "They would die for him."
Ugh! Are you kidding me, Antrel? I am not going to argue that Jets players don't enjoy playing for Ryan. Obviously, they do. But, blaming the Giants missing the playoffs on not having fun? I'm not buying that.
You are saying not having fun is the reason for the crappy angles you take so often in pass coverage? A lack of having fun is why the Giants imploded against Philadelphia? A lack of having fun is why the Giants didn't show up against Green Bay? A lack of fun is responsible for Eli Manning's interceptions, Ahmad Bradshaw's fumbles or Hakeem Nicks' nasty habit of tipping ball into the air? I'm not buying that.
We all know about Coughlin's transformation in 2007 from a demanding curmudgeon who really didn't seem to care what anyone thought to a guy much more open, more communicative with his players and more tolerant of the media and other opinions.
Has Coughlin, 64, reverted a little bit the past season or so? Hard to say, but maybe you could see it that way if you want to read that into his disbanding of the team's Leadership Council.
On that same show, Rolle's fellow safety, Kenny Phillips, also contrasted Ryan and Coughlin.
"I would love to play for a guy like Rex," Phillips told Rosenberg. "He goes to bat for his players. He'll take the blame, he allows you to be you. He's not asking you to hide. If you're a guy who likes to talk, go out and talk, as long as you back it up. His guys are playing for him and I'd love to be a part of that."
Asked, "Who is Tom Coughlin?" Phillips said, "Honestly I don't know. Still trying to figure it out. I'm going into my fourth year and I'm still trying to feel him out. He's a strict guy, sometimes he's kind of loose. He's sort of like a general, especially the way he runs his football team."
Are both players hinting that there are players on the Giants who haven't played their best, or maybe given their best effort, because the coach doesn't let them have enough fun? To me, that's on the players. It isn't on the coach.
How much more can Coughlin be expected to change? Should he really have to change? I am not around the team every day to see get a read on the dynamics or the chemistry. Maybe there is some tension between Coughlin and newer Giants players, guys like Rolle who weren't around when the Giants won the Super Bowl. I can't tell you foir sure, though it seems possible. Coughlin is the coach, and in my mind fully deserves to the coach, so if there is a gap of some sort -- perceived or otherwise -- let's hope it can be bridged. I am not sure, though, that it is on Coughlin to bridge it. I do know this about Coughlin -- he cares very much about his players, and he cares deeply about winning. Personally, I wonder sometimes if the issue is really that some players don't share the commitment to winning that Coughlin does.
As a fan, I want victories first and foremost. Getting to the playoffs as often as possible and winning the Super Bowl occasionally is what it's all about. Maybe it's a quaint, old-fashioned notion but I also care about the image of the franchise, the way it is represented and the way the team goes about its business.
It is why I will take Coughlin over Ryan to run my football team every time. I would be embarrassed to have my team associated with all the off-the-field nonsense that goes on with Ryan's Jets, much of what starts with and is condoned by the coach himself. The Ines Sainz stuff, the foot-fetish nonsense, the sideline tripping foolishness, all the bravado. I'm old-fashioned -- maybe just old -- but I don't believe in all that nonsense.
I believe in what Coughlin believes. Don't talk, play. Do your job. Be a professional.
As for Rolle, he was a free agent a year ago. He had his chance to go and play for Ryan, or a coach like him (are there any others like Ryan?). He came to the Giants, and he knew who the coach was. He needs to find a way to deal with it.
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Rolle may be a loose cannon
But he has pegged TC pretty well.
The man is wrapped too tight and has trouble relating to today’s NFL players. For that reason he will continue to be a good, not great, coach. He cannot get that last few molecules of motivation out of players because they just really are not crazy about the guy.
Nobody ever said "i"ll run through a wall for that guy". Rolle is verbalizing what a lot of the Giants are thinking.
This is the primary reason I think the Giants need to make a change. I respect loyalty and TC has been shown loyalty. I am not sure it is well placed – not if you want to get to the Super Bowl.
But like I said. TC is a good coach and if you cannot upgrade….don’t make a change for the sake of change.
by MSP Giant on Jan 18, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
littlechubby
tc is overrated ,boring and stubborn. he does not get the most out of his talent. look at how the league always catches up to his teams in nov/dec. fire quinn for the special teams performance ,moreso in light of having fell asleep on the eagles onside kick . anybody with a brain would have at least had their hands team on the field.tc is a good football man but is not the kind of guy you want to go to war for. the giants have only won playoff games in one tear since coughlin has been coaching them. the giant ownership needs to strive for excellence not mediocrity.
by littlechubby on Jan 18, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
exactly what i was thinking
there aren’t that many players on our team that will run through a wall for tom
Exactly
If that’s how you feel don’t tell the whole world. Handle it internally.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
they should have a team meeting and discuss the chemistry situation.. we have to much talent to lose 6 games.. i want the gmen to b like brothers. they all gotta have each others back! .
eli needs to go to the movies with antrel lol… t.t needs to hang out with manningham. if they have chemistry and play for one another, our team would be UNSTOPPABLE!!
who remembers the last time a WR (plax) hung out with a defensive player (AP)
we all know how that turned out dont we?
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
+26
And you know what’s fun Antrel? Watching big money free agent safeties make big plays. Winning. Holding big leads and going to the playoffs. That’s fun.
So look in the mirror if you want to criticize anybody Antrel.
Go Giants!
by ronjohnson on Jan 18, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he put the blame on the players
if you werent paying attention
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
He gets a cookie
…Come on man he’s suppose to put the blame on the players, himself first.. you dont gain respect for doing what your suppose to, talking to SID about Tom on the radio not his brightest of moves… along with getting burnt deep and being out of position most of this year.
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Ironically...
That’s how Coughlin would have wanted it handled. The problem is in a closed room with just the team, guys like Rolle and Shockey/Barber before him can’t grab the spot light and say “Look at me! It’s all about me! I need the attention! I am special! I don’t need rules because I’m a professional!”
Really Rolle, because you look anything but professional when you cry to the media like this.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
little chubby
you likely did not listen or were too intellectually challenged to understand that both rolle and phillups and many players find it frustrating to play for tc. it is not enough to know football9that is the easy part0 -you must be able too motivate!!!
by littlechubby on Jan 18, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Smells like Newbie Troll...
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Paid professionals
If they can’t motivate themselves with the millions of dollars they make they dont belong in the league… Motivate too, ha!
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Because talking on a radio show = crying to the media, right?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 18, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
littlechubby
hey rolle and phillips are right and it needs to be saiid.their have been a number of good players who have voiced the same appropriate criticism over the years. tc doesnt get it when he refuses to make coaching changes and believes his critics schould kha.
by littlechubby on Jan 18, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah and those good players
Did win/get/play in the superbowl.. Tom got the ring, shockey’s loud mouth ass watched and Tiki wished he didnt retire… Rolle is a first year player with us he needs to earn his right to talk out of turn, plain and simple keep this trash in the locker room… Bitches cry in public
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
I agree Ed
Antrel had his chance to go where he wanted and took the high dollar offer to come here last year. Now he wants to publicly criticize his coach? You’re a vet, and you should know better Antrel. Nothing good can come of these public comments. Rolle is starting to wear on me.
And he points out that “we don’t have guys with discipline problems” Exactly Antrel. Who is responsible for setting the tone? You really didn’t play well enough to be yapping about the coach. Maybe next year you’ll pass defend better and make some big plays that might have made the 10-6 record an 11-5.
And KP doesn’t know his coach? Please. He handled your transition back perfectly without you re-injuring your knees. Just shut up and get to the off season programs and work hard. 99% of the fans don’t want to hear this crap.
Can you imagine if these players had to play for Lombardi for a season? Oh boy!
Go Giants!
For Lombardi?
nope, these guys would not make it out of training camp, then would be shipped off to the AFL
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 18, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Loosen up and what?
Become Wade Philips’ Cowgirls?
by Kamrulius Maximus on Jan 18, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I really miss...
Wade Phillips Cowgirls. sigh
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
This quote...
“He has to understand we have a great team, we don’t have guys with discipline problems. We’re going to pretty much handle our own outside of football. When it comes to football we’re going to take care of our business on the field….”
Really Antrel? Really??? You mean like you did against a hapless Cowboys team? Like you did against a Philly team twice? Like you did against GB? The truth of the matter is you didn’t take care of (insert expletive here)!!! You guys had several opportunities at the end of the year and you just laid down.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Just F*ckin Great!!!!
This was the first thing I heard when I walked into work this morning. A jet fan I work with came running up to my desk to tell me this.
After reading everything, Its even worse then I thought. You said it Ed, Rolle can saying having fun all he wants but he and other guys on this team sh*t the bed in huge spots and “fun” had nothing to do with it. I like his talking before but this was just uncalled (sure he is right about TC) but the way it was brought up by him in the interview, its almost like he was waiting to say it for weeks.
As for Kenny, I think you just dropped down on my list of favorite players… again, he may be right, I beat rex would not have him play 30 yards downfield on every play, but if he has not played his best because of TC being a general, then whats the point.
I was all for TC being gone to bring some changes but now that he is hear, players need to “somewhat” back up their coach instead of praising the jets.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 18, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions
you know what?
Just STFU already, go win some games. I bet that would be pretty damn fun!
Again these 'why isn't everyone a robot' stories
get old fast.
There may be an element of truth to his points
but he has to find a better way to communicate such things (ie on a public radio station is not one of them).
Can this dude
Shut up already. He did not have a good season by a long shot and wants to talk about having fun give me a break. You get paid a ton of money to play a game while most of us grind it out all day at a job to pay the bills. Just shut up and try to improve at a medicore season for which you made a ton of money. Kenny same goes for you.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
that means nothing really
because so did O’Hara and Diehl made it as an alternate..need I say more?
by ddhamaka814 on Jan 18, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
disagree about that
he did have a pretty good season in my opinon.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
well
he did well when playing close to the line of scrimmage in run support, but he was pretty bad in pass coverage. As for the pro bowl, its clear that most of the time players are voted in based on name and not performance.
by ddhamaka814 on Jan 18, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
he played great up close
he gave up some plays in pass coverage but it doesnt mean he was terrible in pass coverage. But everybody remembers the miscues
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
Agreed...
He played well for the most part. Did have some miscues that unfortunately didn’t get masked/covered up. The problem is, he didn’t play well enough to get sympathy from fans when he says things like above.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't say
He was cc brown, but he wasn’t good enough in coverage. He took bad angles consistently, and he even admitted that he wasn’t as good as he should have been this season
by ddhamaka814 on Jan 18, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
idk what these dudes are talkin about
but i agree with you antrel played absolutely lights out at times this year… i clearly remember drives when he would have 4 or 5 tackles in a row…. what did he have 4 bad plays in pass coverage… go find me a better safety in the NFC… ill wait
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Rolle played...
well for the most part. He did play “lights out” (ugh, I dislike that phrase) at times. He also played horrible at times and had some glaring mistakes that really hurt the Giants. I think the positives outweigh the negatives.
Oh, and since we are all hyped up on the Pro-Bowl nod…then I’ll take Nick Collins as the better NFC Safety. :)
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Rolle was ranked the 80th best safety according to PFF
“I think he thinks he could have played better for us” , Jerry Reese said that at the end of the year press conference. Rolle is a solid player and is actually one of my favorite players but he has to improve his pass coverage. The defensive schemes had him close to the line where he played great but if he admitted that he can play better, that’s great news and I think he will prove it to us. As far as being a loud mouth, that’s fine, but make the playoffs first.
I agree he needs improvement
but keep in mind, those PFF grades are all over the place sometimes and are wildly inconsistent
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
He made some flashy plays
in the run game in with QB sacks. But his pass coverage all year was poor and his angles were ridiculously bad. So half of him should have made the pro-bowl.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Nothing proves...
the Pro-Bowl is a popularity contest more than guys like O’Hara making it. He only played in 6 games this year. I’m surprised Tony “is a Mexican” Romo didn ’t make it.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
the worse part is
this is going to be an issue the whole off-season “does Rolle want to be for TC?”.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 18, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions
The coaching staff is costing this team
It is unfortunate, but it is the truth.
The Giants won’t taste success again until they get rid of Coughlin, Gilbride and Quinn.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 18, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions
+1 agreed
at least the Eagles had the balls to fire its DC when they notice its a problem.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
And
We fired BS and Mike Wauffle last year. I know where you are going with this. Fire Gilbride. I understand the frustration, but when I watch plays being called, the impression I get when I watch is KG is trying to open up the offense, but our players don’t seem to be able to execute certain things. The conclusion that Giants fans come to is its the play calling. However I would like to ask a few questions- How much more productive would our offense be :
1. if BJ could catch a pass in space?
2. if AB didn’t fumble at critical times in the red zone
3. if our run game overall could be more consistent
4 if Steve Smith was healthy all year
5 if our O-line was healthy
I have no doubt that there are better OC’s out there, but how many would have gone 10-6 with the losses on offense that we had this year. I’m just sayin…
by nard100 on Jan 18, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
id love to see gilbride gone but that isnt where I was going
The eagles made changes to the DC because mainly their red zone D was terrible. Special teams have been terrible the past two years and nothing has been done. What does that say about the Giants?
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
not to say...
that Coughlin doesn’t add any more pressure on this team.
Wanna Fight?
Except Reid is the bigger (literally) problem for them
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Agreed, but Rolle has no business talking about Coughlin
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
It sounds a lot like the same thing Vernon Davis said
about Singletary. He is too strict and the players were more afraid of playing bad than being loose, playing the game and having fun doing it. A part of coaching is creating an evrionment where the players and coaches feel that they can win together. TC is old, way too old if you ask me. Can he relate to his players? Does he create a team envrionment or a military envrionment? Can the players trust the coaches when they get out coached in the biggest games of the season? I think the old school style is in fact way too old for school. I enjoy the transparency and I dont feel that it is valued as much as it should be inside the organziation.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
If that was what...
Rolle and Phillips had said, I would be with you 100%. But I didn’t read anything like that into those comments. At no point did they hint or imply that they were playing scared. They said they wanted to have more fun.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps you're right... but the no team chemistry comment has me worried
I was assuming that’s how they were playing at the end of the Eagles game…. maybe scared to lose would have been more appropriate
Agreed...
Something wasn’t right and you knew it just a couple of minutes into the 3rd Qtr.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
For a couple of safeties having "fun" means playing with abandon I think.
I also think Coughlin is a good coach but is it possible that his emphasis on disicipline and control, although right for the offense, does not work as well with the defense? How often do we hear how the best defensive teams play with “abandon” which I take to mean adaptiveness or reactiveness. Perhaps that explains why the Giants need a strong DC (better this year than last) who can satisfy Coughlin’s need for control while at he same time allowing the players the decision making latitude they need to react.
I Love TC but I think sometimes a new voice needs to be heard
Rolle is an idiot, but I think he may be on to somthing when he talks about team chemistry.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 18, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions
I agree with Antrel
TC is the man, dont get me wrong. But if guys arent having fun, they arent going to be playing thier best. there is a very thin line TC has to tread between running the team how he wants, and keeping his players happy. maybe, just maybe.. TC is reverting slowly back to his pre-2007 days and being a little too uptight. maybe, just mybe, Tom needs to readjust how he handles the players
by Plaxico Burress on Jan 18, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions
yup
reminds me of what Vernon Davis said about Mike Singletary: "Guys were a little scared. They were more worried about coach Singletary getting on them than playing football."
If that’s how it is with the Giants… I can’t help but think Tom Coughlin is behind Matt Dodge’s put issues. Playing with the possibility of being chewed out on television isn’t exactly enjoyable, now is it?
Wanna Fight?
Is there a mutiny
amongst the troops? No, but although Rolle yaps, he is part of the new guard around these parts. He is not part of the old guard around here (they are more the problem, teamwise).
Whether I agree with Rolle or not, is really not that relevant, every one’s opinion is subjective anyhow. The point is, it is a different perspective, since he is a newcomer.
What I found more amusing as an observer is Phillips has been here three years, and apparently HE can’t get a read on HIS own HC. To me, that is more telling
I guess Coughlin stays, the Chin is not in.
Okay, then fire Quinn, and bring in a young receivers coach.
PLEASE!
Rolle should worry about things that he can control
making vague and blanketed statements about “not having fun” or “wanting to play for Rex” is not helpful in any way shape or form.
and I’m disappointed in KP….big time.
if you have a problem A) speak to your coach about it B) if you have a problem…be specific.
What is this :
“I feel like if he just loosens up just a little bit”….what the hell does that mean?….loose up how? in what regard?
Look you wanna talk to the media be my guess….criticize, critique, point fingers…fine. Just know that it goes both ways…and If you really want to break it down….
I’d rather have TC as the head coach of the NYG than have overpaid Antrel Rolle as one of the starting Safeties. I’d rather have a S who doesn’t assume his CB is going to make an INT…and instead gives up on the play resulting in a TD.
I don’t want a S who is playing in the slot and biting on Play Actions while his man is blazing down the field for a TD.
I don’t want a S who is going to play in the box and therefor is going to suffer @ cover 2….
See Antrel, Specific criticism….
what did PFF grade AR this season? 80th Safety in the league….
You wanna talk about that Antrel? No, really, why don’t we focus on that??
I don’t see TC saying….“man, if i only had better safety help”….
by andiamo708 on Jan 18, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I like you man
You make a lot of good points, very clear presentation.
7-9 gets a home playoff game. Ugh.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jan 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Frustration and finger pointing
coming from members of a team that knows damn well they should be where the Jets are right now if they performed as a team by giving it their individual efforts, regardless of the personality type of the coach. A ‘loose’ coach isn’t going to help them play the final 8 minutes of a game… that’s on them!
a better coach
would have actually “coached” for those last 8 minutes. I think the blame on that should be split.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
Couldn't agree more.
That should go on the players and coaches. I don’t know if it was Perry Fewell’s decision to play prevent the second half (I think it was), or Coughlins, but regardless somebody, anybody – Coach or Player – should have stood up and said “Hey, this really isn’t working…” but nobody did.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
yup, the defensive scheme was not right
so it was also the coaches… so no chemistry, and no reaction… otherwise no thread here. Sorry, still can’t get over it.
Yeah too bad
the scheme had KP completely whiff on Celek. I hate when the coaches call that.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yep
Fewell dialed up the old “whiff on the touchdown-saving tackle” scheme. Don’t you hate that?
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I for one say...
Its TC fault Fewell even has that play in our defenses play book!
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Lol
Like that ESPN NBA commercial. “Why would you even put the self-destruct button in there?”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Sighhhhh
Fewell did not play prevent defense in that debacle.
The team blitzed to the very end.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Really...
because all I remember is them rushing three. I remember watching Justin Tuck get beat 30 yards down field for a long TD by the Eagles TE. I remember a 30 yard pass to Jackson that the closest defender when he made the catch was Osi. Oh, and on those plays in particular…they were not zone blitzing. They had everyone in coverage. Actually, they had so many people dropping back that when Vick did run, he seemed to gain 8+ yards before a Giants player came on screen.
They went from putting pressure on Vick and forcing him to his right to not rushing at all. The second half Vick was dropping back, eating breakfast, drinking a cup of coffee, reading the paper and taking a potty break before he had to decide to pass/run.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Tuck was in postion
It was KP (you know the talkative one) who blew the coverad. Tuck said he was playing underneath coverage with safety help over the top. Only KP was more worried about his interviews and thus flopped on the ground instead of making the play.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
by blains2000 on Jan 18, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Touche' - LOL!
Still doesn’t excuse Fewell for having him drop into coverage over and over and over again the second half.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I will reluctantly
rewatch celek’s td. (Sorry, nfl.com doesn’t allow for direct linking any more)
It’s a little grainy, but I see at least 5 guys blitzing, mostly from Vick’s right side (which was another major problem I had with the blitzes)
Than one of Vick’s scrambles resulted from a grant blitzing but missing a tackle. They blitzed, they just didn’t finish it.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
and wow
I never realized how badly Phillips flopped on that “tackle”
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
What a difference 2 games make
LOL. Remember when we were ALL saying a few months ago what a blowhard Rex was and he couldn’t coach against the elite coaches like Belichik. You have to tip your hat to Rex for a BRILLIANT game plan against Tom Brady (and believe me it kills me to call Rex brilliant). Let’s also be honest and ask the question – Who REALLY thought Cromartie was going to be the impact player he turned out to be? me neither. He ends up being the hero in two games and now we want a coach like Rex. Please spare me. He got a good win, but that guy is gonna eat more crow than steak.
Cromartie
is pretty lousy in coverage however. Notice his plays weren’t cb plays. And if he didn’t have Revis on the other side so they can slide hlep his way he would really be exposed. He gave up the Pats last TD btw. Did you see the coaches reaming him on the sideline for the next 10 mins?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
CONSIDER THE SOURCE
Antrel Rolle is another alumni of the University of Miami. And so is Kenny Philips.
He comes from a long line of ex-U of Miami players who run their mouths non-stop.
This isn’t the U where they’re always coddled, this is the NFL. Just shut up and play.
Unless he’s a complete idiot, who didn’t do his homework before signing with the Giants, he knew what kind of coach Tom Coughlin was, so for him to say that he isn’t having fun is disingenuous.
I have news for you Antrel, unless you’re a photographer for Playboy, no one is having fun at work.
Man...
I want to have fun at work!
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Who doesn't?
But I’m betting you aren’t making six figures in salary and you still go to work and get the job done without complaining.
What kind of a job would Antrel have if it weren’t for football? Whatever it would be I’m willing to bet he’d have much less fun than he is now.
Oh wow....
I thought I was going to start work for Heff next week.
On a serious note, I agree with you completely. Even if Rolle lands the cushy TV Gig (doubtful with that schnoz) he will quickly realize how much fun he used to have.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever you think
players should speak out or not (I am in the NOT camp, don’t like bloviators or complainers), Rolle is hitting on something.
TC is in the past, he plays in the past and whatever you might think, the results are that the team does not play up to potential. He always looks lost on the sideline, not inspirational.
TC needs to change his depends or whatever but what he is doing is not working.
I don’t know the answer but what I do know is that current is not acceptable.
As for being rigid, might I comment that F****** Quinn is still making believe he is ST coach. TC better make some moves off season.
’Nough said.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 18, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions
Antrel Rolle someone has some advice for you...
I bELIve in the Giants!
Bear Pascoe for president!
by sejo28 on Jan 18, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+26
He needs to STFU. I thought when we signed this guy that that was going to be the key to the D this year but he has in my eyes , for the $$ and the hype, been a big disappointment.
I know he got a joke of a Pro Bowl nod, and he played ok, but he got paid like a top 5 safety and didn’t play that way.
KP – STFU too. Maybe work on getting your knee 100% and back to making some big hits which you did none of this year.
kenny phillips
made lots of big hits this year…. one sticks out in my mind where he flattened calvin johnson….
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
In retrospect
I did not go far enough in my comments about Rolle. He needs to shut up. If there is a problem on the Giants he has become part of it. He needs to shut his mouth and play better. Sadly, I think he likes the media spotlight as much or more than he actually likes winning.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hear you
with that said, it is what I like to call the Y2K athlete. There are times TC still coaches and acts like
we’re in the 90"s for god’s sakes. This team has only won a playoff game once in his tenure, it happened to be a four game winning streak. I mean if he doesn’t fire Quinn for example,
then he is out of touch. Then Mara & Reese have to take off his blinders, tell him to get rid of the guy, then give him a bottle of Visene too!
I guess Coughlin stays, the Chin is not in.
Okay, then fire Quinn, and bring in a young receivers coach.
PLEASE!
by Great Gatsby on Jan 18, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
*DING DING DING!!!*
We have a winner! It’s always the Me, Me, Me, I, I, I, Oh, and you guys too….I guess, players that complain about discipline / coaching. They are more concerned with making the headlines than anything else.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Now you're talking!
He didn’t play like an All Pro, not even close. He’s paid like one though. so maybe that is what gets you to the Pro Bowl these days.
He has been told by the team and team mates to take this stuff internally rather than air it out publicly if he has a concern. He’s entering the Shockey Zone now. He is showing no class and no respect for his coach by making these statements. Shut up Antrel!!
Go Giants!
Good Grief
I suppose when you get 50 or 60 guys in a competitive group, you are going to end up with the odd and differing opinions, but I need to add my STFU. What would Rolle say under Parcells or Belichick. “This is what I call fun!” What nonsense.
The Rolle link to twitter goes nowhere. I was hoping to chew him out.
A question I would want answered is if the coach announces that the team had a good week of practice, that they are well motivated and then play like an average team in tough and necessary games…..how do you explain that? Out-coached? Out-motivated? We were a better team than 10-6. How does the entire team reach it’s talent potential? I thought this was a 14-2 team. Maybe the injuries took us down to 12-4, but how does the team intensity fluctuate so much. Where do the answers come from. The coaches, the management, the owners?
Anyway Antwan, “If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife. So for my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.” Why do you think your opinion is of any more value than say Tuck’s? And KP, you STFU as well.
by PACKOWILDDOGS on Jan 18, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
whatever, kid
grow up and stop buying into the “tweeting generation” Do you think this will gain you some street cred in the locker room? Did ya change your facebook status to “Ant is a badass who doesn’t get in line for no one”
Like Ed said stop hiding behind a microphone and talk it out face to face.
Prove me wrong TC.
that being said
maybe we should listen up a little bit to the discontentment they seem to have with TC.
Prove me wrong TC.
So far
It’s him and his U of Miami alum KP that have questioned TC’s player/coach relationship. Everyone else had the coach’s back after the season when there was talk of replacing TC.
Go Giants!
Yeah
Besides these two guys, I haven’t heard anyone complain openly. In fact, mostly the opposite.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
would he have said it if
everybody wasnt feeling it?
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
Which is why
We should be gauging TC’s player approval based on the many statements of strong support for TC by the rest of the team vs. these two Miami buddies.
Go Giants!
How do I know?
Here’s two comments from Smith saying the opposite
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Shut your pie-hole Bro!
This guy is getting on my nerves – how about a Second round pick for this guy? Grow up bro, Shut your pie-hole and DO BETTER NEXT YEAR. It’s all about MATH with you and taking the proper angles.
Rolle Call out
Antrel SHUT THE F**K UP What have you won Same goes for you Kenny. The Giants ain’t U M Learn how to win and shut up or leave go play for loser Rex and the loser J-E-T-S They haven’t won anything since the fixed Super Bowl in ‘69 If you got any education at that Loser School you went to you might be able to add that up that’s 1969 to 2011 figure it out for yourself The Gmen in that time are 3-1 in the Super Bowl without trash talking. I know UM is big on that, but Big Blue isn’t. BTW Blow any coverages lately try keeping up with DeSean the next time instead of passing him off .
ONE FACT REMAINS
rex ryan has been a head coach for two seasons…. and has reached the afc championship twice…. the jets players have COMPLETELY from top to bottom, rookie to vet, taken the identity of their coach. they emulate exactly what rex ryan preaches whether you like it or agree with it. i have never seen an entire team stand by a coach, or a coach stand by his players the way they have and if they win the super bowl rex is on his way to supreme greatness in the NFL as far as im concerned. they dont care what you, me, or anybody thinks and they just sent peyton manning and tom brady packing in back to back weeks. they are also doing an absoultely marvelous job molding sanchez into one hell of a clutch qb.
I WILL TAKE REX RYAN OVER TOM COUGHLIN ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
eli’s superb playoff performance, spags defense, plaxico burress’ presence that demanded double coverage on every single offensive snap, and strahans leadership and respect among players won that super bowl…. and that is my opinion
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions
oh
and i would also see tom coughlin fired before i saw kenny phillips and antrel rolle sent packing.
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...personally I can't stand Rex...
He’s proving to be a very good coach, but I loathe the antics he brings to the table. I would seriously consider inviting Ray Handley back before taking that baffoon.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
What antics?
He talks up his opponent and says he is going to win. What should he say, we are going to lose? Rex puts games on him calling them personal, so if they lose it is on him. Go take a listen to his pressers after they win, he never takes credit, gives it to the players. That is why players want to play for this guy. Ray Handley? You lost all credibility with that comment.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
rayyyyyy must gooooooooo…. rayyyyyyy must gooooooooo
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't say I would...
take Handley, just that I would consider it. I’m sure Rex does praise his opponents but it get’s lost in his “Me, Me, Me, This time it’s personal, It’s me against him, blah blah blah” shennanigans.
I said he’s proving to be a very good coach, I just don’t want the side show. We are talking about the NFL, not the circus.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
You know what else that sideshow did?
It kept any attention or pressure off of the teams “weak link”. How did he respond? With one of his best games. Of course I like Rex because he is my teams coach but at least he makes things a bit more entertaining than most of these other coaches. It will help big time when recruiting free agents too.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
You can sing...
the “it put all the pressure on him.” song all you want. I am not buying it. Do you honestly think Belichick spent more time thinking about Rex than he did preparing his team?
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Looking at the way the Pats played, yes.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Just like Rex did...
three weeks earlier against the Pats? You are kiddig yourself if you believe that.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was kidding but you cant argue with results
Its not easy to go to back to back title games especially in the AFC. It doesnt matter how he got there, he just did. And without one home game.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Exactly why...
I said he’s proving to be a very good coach. The sad thing is he doesn’t need the sideshow for that to be the case.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Skywarp
I would say that the Patriots did shoot themselves in the foot reacting to Rex.
Welker couldn’t help but take a cheap shot. Bill responded by BENCHING HIS BEST RECEIVER FOR THE FIRST SERIES! Bill, you IDIOT!
The fact is immutable: in 2 years, the Jets have won as many playoff games at this point as the Giants have under the entire Coughlin tenure. Sure, the one thing they don’t have is a Lombardi, but they’re still alive right now.
The Jets could win 100 more playoff games than Coughlin's Giants
But without a SB win, those wins dont mean crap.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
But what have the Giants done for me lately?
Not to sound like a spoiled fan, but we’re getting further and further from the fuzzy feelings of 2007. The Giants are a limp and lifeless football team. The Jets are vivacious and alive. You know, like the Giants were in 2007 (without the controversy, of course).
So a move...
that just about every coach in every sporting league has made at one point or another is all about Rex Ryan getting into Bill Belichicks head??? Really?
Hmmm, Coughlin has benched starters for the first half, not just a series. That had to have been because of Rex Ryan too.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchize
has the same amount of playoff wins as Eli. That stat makes me want to throw up in my mouth.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
Eli has the most important win though, never forget that
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Until this year...
hate to say it. He’s gonna win it all. Then let the Eli/Sanchez comparisons start, b/c you know the Jets fans will be all over it.
No way
Just when the Jets get their fans excited, they will now lay a deuce on the carpet and stink the joint out.
Go Giants!
At least you hope this is the case
After seeing the Red Sox come back in 04, I truly believe anything is possible.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Please about sanchez
They have a HS offense with 1 read 5 yd patterns.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
and it works...
we have the most complex offense and eli throws picks all day
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Jets did add a couple of seasoned receivers to help him... Holmes, Edwards...
They were fairly important on Sunday…
Right
he throws a 1 read 5 yd slant pattern and the receiver breaks it for 50 yards.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
It works because of
their D and O line. And have you seen the balls that Sanchez has thrown the last 2 weeks that were caught? The giants recievers would have turned those into about 4 ints.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Maybe Coughlin is too soft...
You never heard this kind of stuff with a Parcell’s team. You don’t hear it with Bill Belichick teams. As much as I hate to say it, you didn’t hear it with Jimmy Johnson teams either. Why? Because the one thing they all had in common is they didn’t accept this type of behavior. With those coaches once you messed up, they put you in the dog house. If you didn’t correct your issues, they got rid of you.
Coughlin on the other hand takes the player in and codles/placates them. Gives them the “We don’t do it that way” speach and then tells the media it’s an internal issue, and everyone has worked it out. Rather than give these guys second, third, fourth chances, maybe Coughlin should be walking into Reese’s office and saying “Get rid of this guy. I don’t care how you do it, just do it.”
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions
I would honestly say...
Yes. I do think he get’s caught up with his rules some times. I also think he’s given his chosen players here and there more chances than they deserve.
I still can’t believe that “The One-Five” even made the roster a couple years ago.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Coughlin, but Rolle needs to shut the hell up
Rolle is an overpaid pile of crap who has absolutely no business telling Coughlin how to do his job
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I bet 95% of the people posting in this thread
Have played for a coach they either disagreed with the calls they made, or even outright disliked.
I bet all those people know that complaining about it doesn’t do anything but create a poisonous atmosphere and split locker rooms apart. I wonder how it is that the starting safety for the new york frigging giants doesn’t seem to know that?
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 18, 2011 12:53 PM EST reply actions
Absolutely true...
But when you take it into a team meeting and hash it out, some times ego’s get bruised, but the team as a whole get’s better. I’m a far cry from a Coughlin fan and wouldn’t have cried if they let him go, but I do like his “Team First, no matter what” mantra’s.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Me either
If they had let Coughlin go, but management decided not to and its baffling that Rolle doesn’t realize that its not his job to second guess coaching decisions, roster moves, etc. As fans, I think we all know thats OUR job.
One thing that you can say with certainty, is one of the things the Giants wanted out of Rolle was veteran leadership. He couldn’t fail any harder than he’s failing on that front. Now everybody on the team is going to have to endure questions about what they think about your stupid public gripes, Antrel. Next time you want to build team chemistry why don’t you suggest a bowling outing instead of bitching on the radio.
Just as an aside, I’d put money on it that if Rolle weren’t around, you wouldn’t be hearing anything from KP either. Just a feeling.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 18, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bet...
you are right. KP doesn’t say a peep without Rolle.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
If not for those eight minutes against the Eagles
the regular season would have been considered a big success. And while those eight minutes were really bad, did it happen because there was some huge flaw in Coughlin’s coaching method that just manifested itself in those eight minutes but not in the first 52, where they were playing great? Maybe some bad individual coaching decisions there, but no coach is immune from those. Just really shortsighted comments.
he also didnt have the team
ready the next week after against GB. If they werent playing the redskins the last game of the season they would have probably lost that one too.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
Well, nobody
Was beating a red hot and well rested Rodgers that day, at home. He can make good defenses look very vulnerable when he’s on. He’s mobile, strong armed, has a quick release, and is deadly accurate on all the throws a QB has to make.. And he reads defenses very well. I’d take him as our QB in a heart beat over anyone right now if I had a choice of QB’s. But I know that’s just me. I also think GB wins the Super Bowl this year.
Go Giants!
+1000
Exactly. That’s what makes Rolle’s comments so irritating. How many plays did you see a guy in the back field not make a tackle. Obviosly if that happens the right play was called, but you didn’t execute. Truthfully. there is a problem with this team that is not related to talent. It’s accountability and it begins with Eli and the turnovers. Folks, ask yourself, what would our record be if Eli’s turnovers are cut in half. Eli should have been benched as least once during this season to send a message
I'm buying it, Ed!
Antrel is right. Everyone wants their professional athletes to be like Derek Jeter… but even Derek Jeter has FUN.
Our team has no “swagger” at all. Zero personality, and that’s because of Tom Coughlin. There’s a reason why the Jets have been to 2 conference championships in TWO YEARS with a very, very young QB. Nobody in their right mind can convince me that they have better players than us. Us winning the Super Bowl in 2007 was a “miracle” in every sense of the word. Whatever the Jets accomplish this year and last year is because of great coaching.
Our defensive players play for Perry Fewell, not for Tom Coughlin. Same thing when Spags was here.
Wanna Fight?
What did players say about Singletary?
They were scared of him. The 49ers were more concerned about not making mistakes than winning games. When your thinking about not making a mistake, guess what happens… you make mistakes.
Rex Ryan takes this thing called “pressure” off his team and puts that on himself. When he does that, his players respect him even more and they want to win games for him.
Wanna Fight?
And with all the pressure he took off of them
they won one more game than the Giants (a few in lucky fashion) this year and then squeaked by a mediocre Colts team in round one. It’s a little simplistic to look at the most recent result (Jets beating the Patriots) and create this whole narrative about the magical effect of Rex’s truly remarkable coaching abilities. (Not to say he’s not a good coach, but if Peyton hits Blair White on third down two weeks ago, we’re not having this conversation.)
TWO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP APPEARANCES...
IN 2 YEARS.
Has Coughlin won a playoff game for the Giants, excluding the 2007 season?
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And therefore?
Different players, different circumstance. Rex has obviously done a good job, but there’s no way you can prove it’s because he takes pressure off his players or anything like that. And just because his methods work with his team, doesn’t mean all other coaches’ methods are inferior.
I’ll take a similar approach
TWO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP APPEARANCES…
IN 2 YEARS.
Jets run a 3-4, so now we must run a 3-4 because that’s obviously why they are succeeding and no one else can win if they don’t do that.
WHAT?
Jets run a 3-4, so now we must run a 3-4 because that’s obviously why they are succeeding and no one else can win if they don’t do that.
You know what I’ll say to that? “GOOD BYE!”
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That was basically your arguement
replacing “swagger” and “no pressure” with “3-4 defense.” Glad to see you’re able to recognize that.
wow... you amaze me
No you dimwit, if that was the case you would’ve copied that. You copied this: “TWO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP APPEARANCES…
IN 2 YEARS.”
And try to say something ridiculous. Coaching Schemes has nothing to do with accomplishments. Personalities do have something to do with accomplishments, because if the players on your team gets tired and annoyed of the Coach’s personality, then it will effects the team performance.
Teams have been successful with a 4-3 defense, SB 42. Teams have not been successful with coaches they did not respect or grew tired of. You might wanna say in 2007 we had the same coach… but that season was due to miracles and spectacular defensive play… something that Coughlin had nothing to do with.
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Coaching Schemes has nothing to do with accomplishments.
I guess that’s why everyone is crediting Ryan’s scheme as the primary reason the Jets beat the Patriots. And of course I didn’t believe what I wrote about the 3-4 I was just pointing out the reasoning flaw in your arguments. You say one side wins because of swagger and the other wins because of miracles (I assume referring to Tyree, a play that happened in a game the Jets haven’t reached yet), I say the Jets are winning because of pixie dust and I demand that we get a coach who provides that.
It’s very easy to say any of the Giants success have had nothing to do with Coughlin and a lot harder to back up with solid evidence, which is probably why you haven’t provided any.
Coughlin's decision to play the regulars in the last game against the Pats
is the reason the Giants won the SB. Was there some luck involved in winning the SB? Sure, but what team has ever won a SB without a little luck along the way?
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Yeah
The one and done nature of the NFL playoffs (as well as a 16 game season) makes it a bit of a crapshoot. Unless you blow everyone out you need some luck. Picking up a fumble is usually luck (despite the “wanting it more” garbage) and yet those plays often swing games.
(As an aside, some Patriot fans try to point to the luck the Giants had in picking up 3 fumbles in the SB, which I think is silly – 2 of them didn’t end up having an affect on the game (one was punted a few plays later to around the spot where Smith picked it up and one was at midfield right before the half. The Bradshaw fumble recovery was a big play, but so was the ball that popped off of Smith’s hands for an easy INT, also luck.)
but what are you buying?
What is the specific problem here?
What is AR saying? or trying to say?
If you are saying “this team has no swagger, and lost because of it”….how do you correct that? Give TC a 4 Loco? Tell his to curse more?
I can point to a half dozen plays this year where I can say “Bang, Antrel Rolle made a mistake and that’s why so and so happened”….
he’s paid as the best safety in football and plays nothing like it.
He gets made when fans boo…
and now…suddenly after watching the Jets advance….he wants to play for Rex Ryan….
well, that doesnt’ help me….it doesn’t help TC become a better coach…and it doesn’t help the team chemistry….
Maybe he is saying the team is too tight which makes no sense
Coughlin is one of the best coaches in the NFL, Rolle is being very unclassy here. The coach put in winning plays, he cant control when guys miss tackles and quit playing good defense.
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I wouldnt want this guy on my team
It looks like he might be a team cancer. I wonder if he is trying to get cut. His has really damaged his image with this garbage.
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I’ve answered that in my above post.
And why are you only speaking about AR? KP agrees with AR also.
He’s been watching the Jets advance 2 yrs in a row, because of Rex Ryan. Every successful coach in the NFL today is player friendly including Bill Belichick. Tom Coughlin is the only HC with the stick up his a$$.
Tom Coughlin will never “lose” this team as long as this defense has a player friendly DC. If Perry Fewell was the HC with TC out of the picture… this team would play much better
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KP....tackle Celek
KP, don’t leave James Jones wide open in the end zone when you have him in man coverage.
I mean…does it make difference?
the fact is, they ain’t saying anything…
what does KP saying “I’d love to play for Rex….he allows you to be you”…mean??
Like really…I don’t understand…it sounds like to me, they want to play for a guy who is going to let them talk trash….
that’s honestly what I took from those comments….
So are you saying: let's trade and release KP and AR?
let’s revert to our 2008 form. After that what are you going to do? This team that we have right here is capable of winning the SB under the right guidance.
The reason why it sounds like that to you is that you just refuse to understand what they’re saying. They’re comparing themselves to the Jets, because they are 2 “identical” teams, talent wise(I believe the Giants are more talented), under 2 completely different coaches, philosophy wise… now do you see the difference in those teams success? All they’re saying is they want Coughlin to lighten up a bit. Instead of playing the game with pressure, let’s play the game with enjoyment.
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first of all....
I never said that….and you know that.
second, the reason it sounds like what it sounds like to ME…is because i’m listening to what they’re saying…
You hear “I’d like to play for Rex” and all of a sudden take that as an indictment of TCs ability….but what aspect of his abilities? You say it’s a philosophy….but do they say that? Is Rolle and KP saying “I don’t think TC has the right approach during a game?”
no. they are not….but you use their comments to back up your claim that it’s his philosophy…which maybe it is…but they aren’t saying that.
so I ask…what good comes outta these general blanketed statements?
If it’s something specific…than speak on it….all this….“i’m not happy”….what are you not happy about? your not happy because TC won’t let you trash talk????
alls i'm saying is this....if Rolle has something on his mind....
talk to your coach….express what is it.
be direct. IF it is philosophy than say so.
If you can’t adjust to playing cover 2 after playing in the box say so.
If you think you are playing too deep than say so….
Saying TC won’t let us be ourselves or we want to play for Rex….it’s a cop out….
If you assume I want to release KP and Rolle because of my comments, I’m kinda curious why don’t you assume they want to be released…I mean they’re the ones talking about wanting to play for another coach…another team.
by andiamo708 on Jan 18, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is philosophy.
That’s what they’re saying. They are implying that players play better under a coach like Rex Ryan, because they are enjoying what they are doing.
The things that they want are not unobtainable. They want Coughlin to loosen up, that’s all they want. KP said it best, he barely knows who his coach is. Coughlin is on his way out, why is he so hesitant to loosen up? What he’s been doing so far hasn’t been successful. The only thing he did that was successful is relying on his defensive coordinators.
I don’t think anyone on this team would be upset if Coughlin were to be fired today. At least no one on this defense that wins games for us.
These guys have no problem with Perry Fewell, in fact they LOVE him. So don’t bring up his coaching schemes. Antrel Rolle said he’ll adjust, he was inconsistent because he was learning something new.
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Jdaking....
well I wish you were there during the interview with Antrel b/c at least you can step up to the damn plate and speak your mind….or at lest be more damn direct than these two guys….
I actually agree w/ you that it is a philosophy issue….yes, I do
but I don’t agree w/ the way these two are handling it….or how they are saying it. not in the least bit….
Never heard Belichick...
called player friendly before.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
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I see Bill celebrating with his team when they accomplish something good, and I don’t see them chew his players out in television or even give them a “face” that implies that they loss or something bad happen because of them.
You don’t have to be Rex Ryan to be a player friendly coach. You’d be out of your mind if you thought that. Rex is just the friendliest players coach ever lol.
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Irrelevant....
Coughlin celebrates with his players on the sideline too. That does not make you a "player friendly" coach.
Nobody is comparing Rex to Wade Phillips.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Did you read the second part
I don’t see them chew his players out in television or even give them a "face" that implies that they loss or something bad happen because of them.
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That's not fair....
After the 07 Conference Championship Game, Coughlin only has one “face” – That beatdown weathered, frostbitten look of bewilderment.
Coughlin vary rarely chews his players out after a bad play. Even after the infamous punt vs. Philly he wasn’t “chewing” Matt Dodge out. He was talking to him.
Actually Belichick’s “normal” look is a look of a pissed off coach as well. I still say irrelevant.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Jets do have a better roster than the Giants though
But that really doesnt matter. It all comes down to coaching, If you look at the Pats, they didnt have close to a great roster yet they won 14 games. Its all about coaching. Im sorry to say, the Giants have a huge problem here, you cant have guys, no matter how talented, coming out like this.
Its funny that Ed is old school and doesnt like Rex’s antics(still not sure what he really does wrong, he compliments his opponents and says he is going to win) but you dont see this kind of crap coming out of the Jets side. Giants need to dump Rolle.
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no they don't.
The Giants have a better defensive line, pass rush, Safeties and their corners are close to the Jets. Offensively the Giants are superior because their QB is better.
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man i love our guys
and I agree on Dline, different systems but ours is better. Safeties we are better, not by a ton but yeah. Corners I gotta give them, and I think Webster is excellent. Lb’s they kill us, not even close.
On offense, their line is infinitely better than ours. Snee is awesome, Mac played great, but we just don’t compare at all at every other spot.
Their WR’s are comparable, Holmes and Edwards are probably more effective than Nicks and Manningham but with a less experienced QB. They don’t have an answer to Smith, but they have better TE’s.
Their backfield is way better, LT is a HOF and still very talented and Green is a battering ram. Neither fumbles the ball to the level our guys do and obviously in LT they have a threat out of the backfield.
Our QB is better. No way around that. Still, gotta give the Jets credit- they’ve put together a hell of a roster and I don’t think there’s a lot of argument they have a bit more talent than the Giants right now.
The Jets built the team to win right now
They have an all star roster if you look at how many first rounders on the roster. Of course the future probably wont be too pretty but after waiting 40 years, im sure they wont care if they win.
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???
Because LT is a HOF this means he’s currently better than AB or BJ?
I guess we should try to sign Joe Montana, let him be out starter because he’s better than Eli.
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Im not an LDT guy at all but at crunch time, I would still trust him over those two
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he hasn't done a damn thing for anyone to trust him.
With a better offensive line, he performed poorly compared to our RBs
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LDT has lot more wear and tear than those two guys
But he holds onto the ball and can actually score when the ball is at the goal line.
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The O Line causes all the fumbles?
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No
But when you are scratching and clawing just to get a two yard gain and then wind up getting stood up…. that has a little to do with the O line
This isnt just this year though, you can never trust those guys not to fumble
The Giants O Line isnt exactly garbage, and was pretty solid before this year,
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LdT was avg at best this year
if not for his past no one would have noticed him. he was totally a product of the Jets o-line this year. Thomas Jones was about the same in KC. Anyone saying Thomas Jones is “back”.
But as stated he doesn’t fumble at all.
Ha- just took a look he fumbled 4 times but didn’t lose any. Again the Giants o-line needs to work on the fumble recovery drill.
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haha- "guess we should try to sign Joe Montana" haha omg that's awesome
you know what’s really annoying? when you take one thing from a multi-part post that you disagree with and then take it to an extreme to make it sound stupid.
Yeah, Tomlinson isn’t the superstar he was, but from what I’ve seen I think he’s still better than either of our guys in pass pro and in catching out of the backfield, he’s more consistently good than BJ. Is he better than Bradshaw? 4.2 ypc vs 4.5, better receiver… I’d say his overall game right now still trumps AB, though AB is now more elusive and a bit… younger haha. Yes the Jet’s Oline helps. There’s a flip side to everything- no one is playing the Jets in pass-first D. Everyone knows they are gonna run it, whereas the Giants are more pass-oriented than the Jets.
Wow that Joe Montana thing is such a stupid example of what I’m trying to say. That really pisses me off. I say a player who currently plays the game and has comparable stats to our guys is better, you say “well he’s old so how bout if a QB who hasn’t played in years was on our team?” wow that is really useless
There is a two game difference between the Giants and Jets
in the regular season the last two years combined, and with the randomness of the NFL (Curtis Painter, etc.), that’s really nothing. Sure the Jets have won in the playoffs, but you can’t compare that to the Giants because they haven’t gotten in (and while you might say that’s the point, the Jets got in last year at 9-7 and the Giants missed this year at 10-6 and that’s based on what other teams do, which is beyond a coaches’ control). Coughlin and Ryan are both 4-1 in their last 5 playoff games.
Anybody without a bias
would say without question the Jets have more talent on their roster. Does it mean they are better than the Giants? No, not at all. Before that Eagles meltdown, I really thought the Giants were going all the way. Im still beyond shocked that they didnt get there. Nothing against Coughlin, but maybe these Giants do need to hear a different voice.
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They are better than the Giants
but that what makes the Giants underachievers, because they probably have the most talent football team in the NFL.
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That last sentence...
Is exactly why I wouldn’t have been upset if they let Coughlin go. Coughlins teams look eerily similar when you compare them side by side. His first season aside, they always start great (5-3 or 6-2) only to fade during the second half. Even the Super Bowl year they started 6-2 and then went 4-4 the second half.
To me that screams coaching and makes me wonder if they wouldn’t respond better to someone else. I do give the Giants credit for their belief in stability though. Look at the Redskins. Look at Denver – John Fox has got his work cut out for him. That team has been set back 3 or 4 years with their quick HC changes.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Jets take advantage of their opportunities.
I bet the Giants wouldn’t have made the playoffs if they were in the Jets position last year. Colts would’ve went undefeated into the SB.
Giants were incharge of their own destiny and loss to the Eagles and Packers. Jets were in charge of their own destiny and you know what? They made the friggen playoffs and kept winning. Give them their damn respect, they’re better than the Giants.
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I bet the Giants wouldn’t have made the playoffs if they were in the Jets position last year.
Based on what? Lack of swagger? Sure, OK. Jets had control of their destiny (right after they blew a game and their coach thought they were out of the playoffs) and got Curtis Painter and a resting Bengals team with nothing to play for, while the Giants got the Eagles and a red-hot Aaron Rodgers. Not really sure what the comparison is. It’s easy to say things (“I bet . . .”) that can’t be disproved.
Eagles that scored 3 tds(?) in 8 minutes to win the game?
The Giants didn’t beat 1 good QB this season.
Jets are better than the Giants, and with that I say: “Good-Bye!”
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you're just too one-sided to speak to
Making an excuse for everything the Giants do and underrating the Jets accomplishments. I know you are a Giants fan… but your too arrogant for me.
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I respect what the Jets have done in the playoffs
I just think their last two regular seasons have been very similar to the Giants. And if disagreeing with you makes my arguments one-sided, I guess I’m guilty.
And while I respect what the Jets have done in the playoffs
as you do, you don’t respect what the Giants did in the playoffs in 2007 in relation to Coughlin. That seems pretty one-sided.
Why should a person use rational arguments when they can just use subjective garbage?
To say that the Giants run was a fluke, yet the Jets run the last two years has been because Rex Ryan is a genius involves no logic whatsoever.
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yeah that was quite the dumb argument
If anything, I think the Giants 2007 run was in part due to great coaching, starting with playing the first Pats game to win. There wasnt nothing flukish about it, they beat good teams and went on to beat a team ready to be crowned the best of all time.
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Winning is fun
And that’s what it is about in pro sports. Talking out of turn and throwing your head coach under the bus in public helps absolutely nothing. I am willing to bet there are Jets players who think Rex Ryan is a jerk, but won’t say it. Rolle is just not helping anything by talking so much.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Its funny but as much as you are against the way Rex runs things...
…. I would say this latest thing just adds to the recent embarassments of the Giants. And this has nothing to do with their play. Im talking things like the Plax situation and Jacobs throwing his helmet. The more you think about it, maybe they do need some change. Perhaps the Jets arent the ones doing things the wrong way after all.
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I have no problem with it
Why does saying that something is wrong automatically mean that he’s trying to find excuses? There are reasons for everything. Reasons and excuses aren’t mutually exclusive. The Giants lost to Philly in the Eight Minutes of Infamy for many reasons – none of them are excuses.
When a team is winning and you have gripes, nobody wants to hear them. They’ll say that “you’re putting yourself above the team” and “winning is all that matters.” When a team is losing and you have gripes, nobody wants to hear them. They’ll say that “you’re making excuses” and “just do your job.” I take the approach that if you feel it needs to be said, then say it. To hell with fragile sensibilities.
Phillips and Rolle are right. Perhaps they were too candid with the media and they should have brought their concerns to the coach directly but I don’t care about that. I’ve never understand why fans complain about players “not going to the coach” as if they’re in the locker room and they have to answer questions about a teammate’s comments. Who cares? I don’t want to hear about how it’s bad for the team and all of that jazz. We don’t have a game next week. We didn’t make the playoffs, remember? This is not a distraction except to interrupt guys on a beach sipping mojitos and mint juleps.
All that matters is Coughlin’s reaction. How does he handle this? How does reassess his relationship with the players? You can be honest without being brutally honest. You can teach discipline without being a disciplinarian. You can be in control of your team without being a control freak. You can be angry without losing your mind on the sideline. Tom needs to find middle ground. These are his players – not his kids.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
That's not the message...
The message is complain, call out, yell, discuss the issues as you perceive them…Just don’t air the team’s dirty laundry in public.
If you have a problem with Coughlin, by all means tell him. If he has displayed anything it’s that he is open to the criticism when it’s done in house. When you go to the media that doesn’t solve the issue, and it only makes the team look bad.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
The squeaky wheel gets the oil
People don’t change unless they have to change. Talking to someone behind closed doors isn’t always enough. You make it public and then they have to do more than listen – they have to react.
Nothing Rolle said was breaking news. He said it after Week 2. Players have said it in the past. If talking behind closed doors had been enough to make Coughlin change, then why is Rolle still bringing it up? Obviously, the in-house approach didn’t work.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
They have to react...
is a very true statement. Different coaches, Parcels, J. Johnson, even Belichick have reacted to their players calling them out. In all of those cases, the player left, sometimes willingly, sometimes not. Coughlin doesn’t seem to be like that, and maybe he should.
I find it rather funny that all the complaints about Coughlin come back to his “Stuffy Rules” and how he needs to “Loosen Up.” What none of these players realize is that regardless of what they do outside of football, they will have to subscribe to a lot more “rules” than they do currently.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 18, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I have yet to figure out what exactly, as Ed mentioned, brought down the Giants....
….that specifically has to do with Tom Coughlin. From what Antrel is saying, he didn’t motivate the Giants enough, but Antrel goes so far as to saying that we’ve got a better team than anyone in the playoffs. That doesn’t make sense to me.
Our downfall was, quite easily, the turnovers. That’s a product of undisciplined play, not a product of TC’s defensive and offensive schemes. Towards the tail ends of the games we lost (most notably of course, Philadelphia), the defense lost interest. I don’t care who you are, when you’re IN THE GAME, how the %$^& do you lose interest? Rolle blamed the long wait as one of the reasons they lost interest BEFORE the game even started. Losing interest in the one thing that you do that also coincidentally brings home 7 figures is ON YOU. Not the coaching staff.
Also, WTF do Phillips and Rolle want Coughlin to do? They relate Rex Ryan as being bombastic because he takes the pressure off his players, but not ONCE have I heard a Tom Coughlin press conference where he blamed the players. On top of that, one would think that the whole “the media can kiss my ass” comment would fire up the troops and bring ’em together.
The last point of concern for me is simply Rolle mentioning the “chemistry” of the team, which he says isn’t there. How is that going to sit with the “old guard”? Wouldn’t that, if anything, break up the chemistry even more? I’m going to side with the people telling Rolle and Phillips to just STFU on this one, if anything, because it gives Jet douchebags more ammo to hit us with.
Either get angry, or get the hell out.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions
Rolle didn't say that all
From what Antrel is saying, he didn’t motivate the Giants enough
He said that team chemistry is our problem and that has to do with the coach not letting the players have more fun. Coughlin is too strict, too controlling, and too unyielding in his handling of the team. Rolle said nothing about motivation.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
going back and reading it, you're right, I misinterpreted what he said
…my bad haha.
I guess that does prove a point though, if I misinterpret his words, so could everyone else in the locker room and this could blow up unnecessarily.
Either get angry, or get the hell out.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
The elephant in the room is lack of veteran leaders acerting themselves and telling AR and KP to be quiet.
Or the problem is more serious and their views are more widespread.
eh
if this was during the season i’d agree. but the players have long said there good byes to each other, so more than likely, the “leaders” are at home with there families, or on vacation, and nowhere near Antrell.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Michael Strahan
would have had this all sorted out already…. and about 14 guys from the 86/90 teams would have also
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 2:33 PM EST reply actions
I think Rolle should take a long look at his fingers and look for his Super Bowl ring.
Oh wait, he doesn’t have one. Maybe he was too worried about having fun in the Super Bowl when the Steelers waltzed down the field on his defense to actually win a championship. How “fun” was that. And I’ll tell you what wasn’t fun at all. Watching Rolle in pass coverage this year. Look, I’m not a big TC guy, but this guy is out of line. He simply doesn’t shut up and gets burned all the time. You know what, he’d make a good Jet. And I’m really dissapointed in Philips taking his lead. For a guy who lets face it, had a down year, to take to the waves on TC like that is brutal. The both of them should be ashamed.
to all comments of antrel needing to:
have fun in winning games, making plays, working as a team etc, consider your comment rec’d by me +10000000, but im too lazy to go through them all; point is, SHUT UP AND PLAY THE DAMN GAME, thanks guys
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rolle & phillips needs to be quite and go to the coach one on one.if my brother or father has what I THINK IS A PROBLEM i will go to him 1 on 1 not tell the hole block about it. this guy has won a superbowl without both of them,took a expanshin team to the afc champingship game without both of them,heck he’s even won a college bowl game without both of them.the man has won in every situation an at every level,keep the trap closed play ball period!!!!!!!!!
by big blue born in philly on Jan 18, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions
My last Comment.
Look at Pete Carroll.
He’s not Rex Ryan, but he’s far from being Tom Coughlin(personality wise). He took a sub-par team, that we dominated, and beat the defending Super Bowl Champs, who destroyed our season last year. I’m not saying he’s a better coach than Coughlin, but since he’s so enthusiastic and let’s his team plays… he gets the best out of them. That’s all I’m asking for out of Coughlin ,lol and I’m sure KP, AR and everyone else who agrees with them, wants that too.
Wanna Fight?
This is kind of ridiculous
Comparing Pete Carroll with Tom Coughlin because he got to host a dome team on its 5th RB and pulled the fluke victory of the year? Look at some of Coughlins accomplishments, all the guy does is win. Carroll energetic garbage never won him a thing in the NFL, his Pats tunure between the two Bills wil show you that.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Sigh... Comprehension is a vital tool.
I’m not saying he’s a better coach than Coughlin. I’m saying he accomplished something with a subpar team that I don’t even the Giants could have done. The reason why is because of his personality, Tom Coughlin couldn’t have done that. From top to bottom the Giants are better than the Seahawks, but the Seahawks beat the defending champs and we couldn’t hold on to a lead in the last 8 mins.
Stop looking to argue please, because what I said shouldn’t have even invited a disagreement. Learn to comprehend.
Wanna Fight?
Im not looking to argue at all
I just find it funny bringing up the fluke win of the year over a dome team on the road without a running back has anything to do with the way TC coaches. Nice sig btw.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
when was the last time we had a "fluke" win
This team never fails to crumble down to it’s lower class opponents and it’s been three years since we’ve had a big out of character upset win.
Coughlins system promotes mediocrity, slow and steady boys.
I think the point jda is trying to make is TC’s coaching style has never allowed for these guys to reach thier full potential on the field, it’s always good not great.
Prove me wrong TC.
so true
we have not had a GREAT player on our roster since the coughlin era started…. strahan was already here..
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If the Jets beat Ben and Troy and then beat Aaron and Mathews or Jake and Brian, they deserve it.
We are not as good or talented as we think. Some might say we overachieved considering our shortcomings on ST and turnovers. There where at least six teams better than us at this stage of the season . if the Jets win the SB we will still have one on them not counting NFL championships! If the win be happy for the city.
Let’s improve our LBs, OL and stop giving the ball away. Then we can be justified in our talent.
I didn't have fun at the Last Eagle game...
or watching the Green Bay debacle. Antrel and Kenny get paid alot of money to cover people. Do your job , entertain the fans with a winning effort and have fun on your own time.
I wonder how Antrel and KP feel about Fewell ?
Maybe they are lobbying for him in a long winded weird kind of way?? Maybe I’m digging too deep here ?? I dunno
I wonder if they would even be honest about their feelings
or just make stupid general remarks that help nothing and no one.
screw having fun they get payed and payed well to perform! I know this for half a season our defense was exceptional and then it was gone. if you did that in your job you would be gone and no i don’t think they would fire the boss first . Rolle needs to shutup and play if he played half as good as he talks he would be HOF material. there were times this year when he was in coverage he reminded me of Elvis “toast” Patterson ( that is not a compliment Antrel )., and as far as Kenny Phillips well as deep as he played i am not even sure he was on the team. Both need to bring their games up to an acceptable level then they can voice an opinion., until they do they are just under performing, overpaid whiners.
Talk is Cheap!
Play the Game!
I think Rolle is speaking the truth. I just hate that he has to do it thru the media.
The printed word
Is so much different than what is being said. Words can be misinterpreted in print as we all know, so I would have to HEAR Antrel’s words as opposed to seeing them. That being said, I’ve never taken what he has said as an attack on anyone. He has feelings and he is expressing them and I’m sure we as fans are the only ones getting all bent out of shape and not anyone in that locker room.
by Robin's-meats-and-vegetables on Jan 18, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions
Its not just you Ed.
I’m 18 and i would be completely embarrassed having a coach like Ryan. I liked the signing of Rolle at first but if he keeps running his mouth, he should be removed. The problem with the Giants is they keep looking back to 2007, its not 2007 anymore. That team may not have won had they played again. These players expect a super bowl to fall into there lap. Antrel loses all of my respect until he approaches the coach like a man and not whine in front of a T.V Camera or newspaper reporter
by Giants15 on Jan 18, 2011 7:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
'Remarks by Rolle on Coughlin
Ed you give the coach too much of a pass on how he handles the team. I have had this feeling for 2 seasons that was expressed by KP. Coughlin makes the right noises but not exactly. His demeanor does not come across exactly . I know Im not getting to it exactly but C doesnt come across as being a guy you would run thru a brick wall. KP and Rolle still dont know who C is. They are either not very intelligent or there is barrier just big enough to be less inspiring to the players. I bet there are other players who feel the same way.
Instead of signing Rolle ...
I would rather the Giants have moved up and drafted Eric Berry or Earl Thomas. I would rather have either one instead of Rolle AND Pierre-Paul and Joseph (which might have taken the 1st and 2nd pick).
Hell, I would rather have Suh instead of the first three picks from last year—Pierre-Paul, Joseph, and Jones.
Rolle should quit whining and quit making himself look like an ass.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
No Fun League
It is all about winning in the NFL. If the Jets had a losing record, did not make it to the playoffs last year and this year, there would be a whole different conversation going on about Rex Ryan. Lets see what happens in the coming years. As soon as Rex has a down year, lets see what the players and media start to say. As for Coughlin, his personality his his own. At his age, I am not sure anyone can expect a monumental shift. He has proven he is a winning coach, a championship coach. That is enough for me.
First off Antrel Rolle has a right to say whatever the heck he wants.
He played great for this team this year and is one guy that likes to say what he feels. So freaking what? Everyone in America that follows football knows that Coughlin is smart and a good but not great coach and personality wise he cares deeply about his players but is an uptight borderline spaz at times so lets not pretend that what Rolle said wasn’t true!
Some real bullshit is seeping through the media and the fans about players just shutting up and do their talking on the field. That’s a load of crap! Remember that Coughlin’s issues with ‘outspoken’ guys like Strahan and others is what helped make Coughlin change in the first place and that led to a super bowl. No one gives a damn of credit to Strahan for pointing out how much of a hard ass Coughlin was.
So Valentine goes into Rolle about poor angles on deep balls that supposedly happened so often and yet not often enough for Rolle not to make the pro bowl. Funny how that goes but what is really strange is why fans attack players for revealing the truth about what they feel behind closed doors. So instead of investigating and asking questions we now immediately insulate the front office and the coaching staff instead of asking the question of why players throughout Coughlin’s career have pointed this issue out time and time again.
Shouldn’t the Giants have appeared in more than one Super Bowl? Shouldn’t they have made the playoffs the past two years? How many collapses are going to be blamed on the players before some blame hits Coughlin?
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