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So Who Did JR Really Miss in the 2009 Draft?

So I read Ed's article today, about Jerry Reese's 2009 draft, and the results thusfar.  It made me think, did we really miss the boat on someone that year?  So i took a quick scan of the '09 draft results, seeing if JR really did screw up and miss out on a big time, mid to late round steal, that has already shown superstar results.  Now, while there were alot of promising players drafted, that may show there stripes this or next season, going off of memory of standout names, here's what i came up with.

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Mohammed Massaquoi(taken after Sintim) - A decent young receiver, but JR had just taken a receiver the previous round.  So maybe the back to back drafting of receivers wasn't in his gameplan.
LeSean McCoy(taken after Sintim) - McCoy is going to be good for the Eagles, and will probably see a few pro bowls in his time.  but on this team?  he would have been a 3rd back.  Maybe a second, if they thought he had more talent than Ahmad(although you've seen them both; who would you rather have on your squad?)  And Big Boy was coming off a 1000 yard season.  So why waste a second round on a third string back that can't be converted to fullback, and isn't anything on special teams?
Phil Loadholt(taken after Sintim) - This one can be looked at as a missed oppty. for Big Blue.  Loadholt is going to be good for the Vikes, for a long time.  And on a solid but aging line, JR should have maybe thought about going with line help here.  He did get Beatty 6 picks later, so maybe he had Loadholt on his draft board and hoped he fell to us.  That's all speculation, so take it for what it's worth.  Btw, Beatty is going to be good.
Shonn Greene(picked after Beatty) - While Greene looks like a big time back for the Jets, there was no need for JR to draft him that high, when he still had Big Boy(coming off a 1000 yards) and AB, along with the then Danny Ware, who the Giants were high on.  Greene served no purpose on the team; he was a big back, but we had(have) the biggest.
Austin Collie, Louis Murphy(taken after Beckum) - Both of these guys were taken after Trav, but i'll defend JR on this one.  One, he already had Nicks and Barden in the fold.  He would of gotten lambasted by us if he used another high round pick on the same position.  Two, i don't think Collie is that good, just made better by big bro.  I think Murphy has talent, but his rookie numbers aren't spectacular either.
Johnny Knox(taken after AB2) - Again, another wideout, again already 2 in the fold.  And again, not great.
LaRod Stephens-Howling(after stoney woodson) - This one is maybe JR's biggest flub.  I don't know what he ever saw in Stoney, but it never translated to the bigs.  Meanwhile, LS-H is an above avg. return man, who can step in as that third back you need.  But again, it's the 7th round.  it's a hit or miss round.  One year you can draft a stoney woodson, but the next year you can draft an Ahmad Bradshaw.  So he evened himself out there.

So who did we really miss out on?  So far, I count only 4 players that have had immediate results, that could of been in a blue uni: Massaquoi, McCoy, Greene and Loadholt, but three of those guys(McCoy, Greene, and Massaquoi) would have fallen into positions that we were strong at.  So before we go killing JR, look at this list(and the full draft if you like - maybe I missed someone) and ask yourself, did JR do that bad of a job?

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I'd add that Loadholdt isn't a miss anyway

He will never play LT for anyone while Beatty still has a decent shot of being that as soon as this year.

There’s more then a few solid players that the Giants picked their 2nd and beyond picks ahead of.

The thing is…at the time of the draft, the GIants first 3 picks were all 1st round caliber. Any one of the 3 if they were picked in the 1st round would’ve been fine, not reach. People were ecstatic at the Barden pick.

If they picked someone like Derek Cox from William & Mary in the 2nd round, I’m sure there’d be a ton of people ordering Jets tickets. Well..he’d probably be a top 15 pick if the draft was re-done.

Its a crap shoot. At the time, all the picks looked great. Fact is many picks are busts that are thought of as great. And many picks that are written off turn out to be gems.

And it all takes time. A few injuries and Beatty, Sintim, Beckum and Barden are all starting.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 8, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

good point on Loadholt

his upsize may not be as high as beatty’s….just a different team, a different need that was filled quicker.

NFL.com has Rhett Bomar and Trav Beckum as some of there top prospects to watch, so Jay Arrah wasn’t the only one on that train.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 8, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is so early to evaluate that years draft

Sintim is in a position change, it would be nice if he was ready, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be

Beatty is trying to push out a guy that has been to the pro bowl

Barden got trapped by Manningham and Nicks

Beckum showed some nifty skills, but he made some rookie errors and TC don’t play that

Ok they lost Brown to injury, and the late rounders weren’t much, but who expects much after the 4th round.

by trueblue63 on Sep 8, 2010 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a big Sintim guy

but even i’m starting to worry. i think there will be a steady LB rotation Sunday, so i’m curious to see what kind of snaps he gets: read down and yardage.

I think your right about Barden. We still didn’t know what we had in The Man Manningham when we drafted him and Nicks. Add to that that he’s been injured this preseason, and i think it’s way to early to call him a bust. and i think once they find the correct way to use him(read: red zone redzone RED ZONE!!!) he’ll be more than just a role player. maybe a super role player, at the least.

I still think we’ll rue the day we let Brown go. he was good RB depth.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 9, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

the main problem with Sintim this year is Fewel's D.

He’s still gonna run a lot of Tampa 2 elements, and for a 6"2 260lbs LBs the Tampa 2 doesn’t really favor them, regardless of how athletic they are.

He’s still athletic enough to do it, but it’ll probably take a good portion of this year. This the 3rd scheme for him in 3 years and for an LB they’re all very different. Very wrong to think he’ll learn on the fly like that.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

+_100

our SAM is no WIL so add that in, its alot to take on

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Sep 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

now*

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Sep 9, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great to see the faith

I thought a bit about that, but not really knowing other rosters that well without the new madden games, I couldnt say who we missed out on. Its good to know that there wasnt that much room to move for Jerry, even if the draft is a terrible one, it was more circumstance than bad choices.

2010 is the year of the Giants!

by ChuckyofNorris on Sep 9, 2010 3:43 AM EDT reply actions  

no regrets

I was just glad they realized that they needed a tackle. I wanted Beatty, but did not expect him to be picked. Beatty and Loadholt are two very different players, Beatty a quick LT, Loadholt a big RT. It just shows they were more interested in moving Diehl back inside than replacing McKenzie with cheaper youth. Also, a LT is a more important position than RT.

I’ll have to disagree with you on Collie, Murphy, and Knox. I think all three will be good players. But the Giants did not need to draft a third WR. We know more about these three than Barden because they all played last year due to injuries to the guys in front of them. With Eli’s tendency to throw high, I was glad to get the tall guy, especially since he has so much trouble with the end zone fade routes.

by ct17 on Sep 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I do think they're good wideouts

but i don’t think they will be hall of famers, or all time greats. ok, i know it’s early on in there careers, but i don’t see it, maybe due to the systems they’re in(Collie excluded). They have had earlier success, but they fit into more of a mold that we already have in our young trio. like you said, Barden brings that key factor that you can’t teach – size. now if he can translate that into TD’s, then i’ll be happy with the man, even if he never eclipses 1000 yards in a season.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 10, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

We had so many draft picks

Both Laurinaitis and Maualuga were projected as first round LBs. When they were still available in the 2nd round I was hoping we’d trade up. We eventually traded up to grab Barden when we already grabbed a WR.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 9, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

the price

for trading up in the 3rd round is much lower than it is to trade that high up in the 2nd round.

Laurinaitis and Maualuga were practically first round picks.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And with both lasting till 2nd round

Reese may have figured that one would drop

Sometimes you take your chances and it doesn’t work out.

by trueblue63 on Sep 9, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario Manningham didn't exist in their plans yet.

So far..it was Steve Smith and ? and ?? and Dominik Hixon. That’s it. They needed 2 WR

Barden very well could’ve won out that #3 WR spot

Plus they drafted Sintim in the 2nd round, who sorry to break it to you they most likely had higher then Lauranitis and Maualuga.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that that is the real problem here

Why they continue to try to fit 3-4 LBs in our 4-3 scheme.

IMO guys like Sintim shouldn’t have been anywhere near the top of our board. There are so many college teams playing 4-3 and yet we continue to only draft 3-4 LBs.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 9, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sintim has had to learn 3 positions in 2 years

he had to learn SAM for sheridan, then SAM for Fewell which is really the wil in conventional D’s….. all this after playing 34 LOLB for 3 years, his head is spinning, he cant let loose, if Fewell ran a traditional SAM he would be starting

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Sep 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably wasn't a good idea

but mosltly the idea was that while a pass rusher and one who played in a 3-4, Sintim’s spot was a lot like a SAM.

And really in college there’s not many SAM’s either given so many offenses are spread O’s.

I think last year he would’ve been fine (he seemed like a beast his first 2 preseason games at least) except for the constant injuries, which can be death on a player’s career.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

and also Kehl

I agree with it being a project, but he’s an excellent athlete, and was a 4th round pick only anyway. Plus at his size he’d never be a 3-4 OLB anyway. His athleticism is more of a WILL type.

Hasn’t panned out, but kinda like Sintim…these guys can’t stay healthy. Tough to improve when you can’t practice cuz you’re hurt.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barden

wasn’t drafted as an immediate starter or a #3 in his first season. From the get go on draft day he was going to be a project.

I don’t agree they had Sintim higher than Maualuga. He was projected as a 1st round. If memory serves me, he was projected as the top USC LB for many of the so called experts.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 9, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

so was Sintim

who was projected by many to be drafted by the Giants in the first round by many.

As for Barden, no he wasn’t drafted to be an immediate starter. But definitely to keep for the #3 spot or at least playing time.

The team had no starters at WR. Steve Smith they had no idea if he was more then a slot WR. They had to draft Barden or at least 2 WR.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey look at it like this

if these ‘projects’ pan out, we may have our future number 2 receiver, linebacker, and DE already in the fold with Ramses, Sintim, and JPP.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 10, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

what is he supposed to hit on guys that become instant stars in year 1 and 2??

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Sep 9, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

And I believe Stoney Woodson was waived/injured...

with a high ankle sprain, suffered in pre-season, so it really wasn’t that much of a question of his ability not translating as it was being hurt. Also, with Hixon on the roster, getting a good return man wasn’t the priority then as it is now. I still have a problem with the Beckum pick, but maybe we should have traded KG when we made that pick, or if we were keeping KG, picked someone that fit our current offense. I have no doubt that Beckum has talent if he could stay healthy and there was a position for him to play.

by Cranky50 on Sep 9, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Gilbride's said repeadetly

that the only reason why Beckum is not out there is cuz he doesn’t practice.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, i can understand that

but i guess the point of this post was, who exactly would you have rather had? one of the wideouts i mentioned? which would be fine, but again, that would have been 3 wideouts drafted, along with SS, Manningham, and Hixon who they planned on being big in the passing game until “The Man” woke up and had his breakout year.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 10, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

C Max Unger would have been nice in the 2nd

T Sebastian Vollmer too. Heck Arian Foster (who just went off on the Colts) went undrafted that year.

Kick his ass Sea Bass

by buckyyo on Sep 13, 2010 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Well i didn't include undrafteds

because IMO, thats like free candy in a dentist’s office, to be had by anyone. it’s even more miss than hit than the draft, that its like a scratch off, and once awhile you get a winner for $500.

To borrow FreeBrads argument, you can argue that Vollmer is a right side player, whereas Beatty is quicker, and can play both sides(in time). Also Vollmer isn’t a proficient run blocker, which i bet is big on TC and JR’s chart.

Ungers a good one. thanks buckyyo.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

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