New York Giants' Notes: Is Jacobs Really 'Happy'?
by Ed Valentine on Sep 7, 2010 8:29 AM EDT
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PrintA week ago, New York Giants running back Brandon Jacobs was obviously ticked off after getting zero carries in the preseason finale against New England. Now, Jacobs tells Mike Garafolo that he is a happy camper.
"I’m happy," the Giants’ leading rusher over the past three seasons said. "People get different things confused through words. That’s not the case. The case is I’m here to win football games and ride it on out with my teammates. "People get things mixed up and make big deals out of everything that’s not even really what it is."
Sure, Brandon. Sure It is kind of hard to get it mixed up when you call the NFL a "cutthroat, backstabbing business."
Jacobs can say he's happy. This situation bears watching, though, especially if Jacobs -- as seems likely -- loses carries to Ahmad Bradshaw this season.
Center Shaun O'Hara returned to practice Monday, but admitted his ankle injury will linger throughout the season.
"I think we're going to have to monitor it," O'Hara said. "It's not going to be something that is miraculously going to be gone."
This, unfortunately, sounds like one of those deals where O'Hara will end up practicing on a limited basis much of the season. Question is, how much will he be affected on game days. And can he make 16 games? I am not liking this at all.
Speaking of injured players, coach Tom Coughlin gave the rundown on injured guys during his Monday meeting with reporters. He said he is not sure that cornerbacks Aaron Ross (foot) and Corey Webster (groin) will practice Wednesday.
Ugh! I'm really not looking forward to watching a full game this weekend of Bruce Johnson starting and D.J. Johnson playing as the nickel back. If that happens, Perry Fewell had better find a way to dial up a big-time pass rush.
Darius Reynaud, the Giants new kick returner, said he had a premonition before Friday's trade that he would wind up wearing a New York uniform.
"I kid you not, me and my wife were talking after the Denver game on Thursday. I said I had a good feeling that I'd be going to New York. I didn't know which team, but just New York," Reynaud said. "On Friday, they called me and told me I was traded to the Giants. I was kind of surprised, but I had a good feeling. I have no clue. My wife says to this day, ‘I don't know why you were thinking about that and how this came about.' I had a good feeling."
New Giants backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels prasied Reynaud's return skills.
"He is very talented. My first season there last year, he was a receiver and he was more of a slot receiver. He is very strong, quick, and a very powerful player. When Percy Harvin took that role when they drafted him, they decided to shift him to tailback. They were looking for sort of a third down back this year because they lost Chester Taylor to free agency. He did a pretty good job of that," Rosenfels said. "He does a very good job with the ball in his hands. I thought as a punt returner that he was one of the better ones since I had been in the league last year. It was very surprising to me that the team let him go because we got a lot of great drive starts last year because of his punt returns. I think he did some kickoff returns also. He's one of those players who may not fit a mold for an exact position, but he's a football player and an exciting kid to watch."
I am looking forward to seeing what this guy can do. I think he could end up as a difference-maker for the Giants.
Speaking of Rosenfels, he had a great explanation for his approach to being a backup quarterback.
"Everyone has a different seat on the bus, and sometimes you sit in the front, other times you sit in the back. When you sit in the front, you do the best job that you can," Rosenfels said. "When you sit in the back, you take that role with a lot of class. I'm going to do what's best for this team."
Last word on the Rosenfels-Reynaud trade. I absolutely do not understand those of you who are critical of this trade. Is Rosenfels an All-Pro? No. He is, though, an experienced backup quarterback, and probably better able than the untried Rhett Bomar to step in and help the Giants win a couple of games if need be. Adding Reynaud, though, is something could have a huge impact on the sub-par return game.
You never know for sure how things like this work out, but I think you have to applaud GM Jerry Reese for what he did. I feel a lot better about the Giants roster with those two guys than I would have without them.
Other Notes
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Undrafted free agent gets a new hairstyle, vows to play well on special teams.
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LB Chase Blackburn was back at practice today, as he had hoped to be last week when he last spoke to the media.
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New Giants WR Victor Cruz ready to do whaever he has to.
Read and React … but don’t overreact
"Perry Fewell’s defense is made to bend, but don’t break," cornerback Terrell Thomas said. "We’re going to give up underneath throws. That wasn’t what the Giants’ defense was known for the last couple of years. And I think that’s going to be a hard adjustment for the fans and media to see. But I think the overall objective is to create more turnovers."
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Anyone know what we traded for
Rosenfels, Reynaud?
Draft pick
they didn’t say which round
"And it's True Blue"
Draft pick
@Eddiek1977 -I believe they said conditional, the Vikings gave up a 4th round pick to get Rosenfels and (hopefully) he is unlikely tp play a down all season(unless mopping up a laugher) so Im thinking 5 or 6 and Reynaud was an unsigned free agent so what do we give up for him. Who knows but not much.
not to mention
Childress and the Vikes were hatin’ on Sage for his talkin’ trash, so they were eager to dump him.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Two picks
A sixth-rounder next season and a ‘conditional’ pick in 2012. That will be based on playing time, whether these guys are still Giants, whatever parameters the teams agreed to.
Jacobs isn't happy and thats good...
Because hopefully this will light a fire under his @ss and give him the determination to be the “steamroller” back that he once was and can still be.
"And it's True Blue"
I said it at the Pats game
but I don’t mean the nickel and dime throws if it means you can’t throw deep on us.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I've seen them play press and the softer style
I think it’s an attempt to create confusion and uncertainty.
If the offense knows,they only play press, they can start to dictate and it gets harder to stop, this will force opposing OCs and QBs to check out the defense and guess. And Rolle, Ross, Grant and Phillips have excellent ball skills, putting them in position to make a pick, might force QBs to re-think certain throws.
Yeah, but I still hate "bend-don't-break."
It ends up keeping the d on the field too long. If we’re gonna do that, I want to see a lot of JPP. Don’t coach him, just tell him: “See quarterback; hit quarterback,” and let it rip. ‘Cause we’re gonna need to get a lot of sacks.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
If were going to need sacks why would they put JPP on the field?
He’s worse at pass rushing than even Kiwanuka….
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Your not getting the need for gray
Giants were best when Spags had the pieces to do all sorts of different things. Fewell is trying to installl his different packages. I’m not sure what will dominate, but I like the idea that he will use different schemes to maximize personnel.
now he's at a boil
he will split carries, but when he gets the ball I say he looks like the Jacobs we all know. No more light contact, he’s gonna take it straight at whoever whatever whenever. My call this guy goes off
Ed
I think i saw a 5th rounder and a late round in 2012
by cjraymz56 on Sep 7, 2010 8:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Def. a 5th
And that’s nothing to sneeze at. Wasn’t Petrus a 5th – or was it Dillard – one of them. So using that as the example, that’s not nothing to give up. If 1-2 are early rd and 6-7 are late round, 5th rd is actually mid or at least mid/late. Not a throw away. And we won’t know for some time what the 2012 conditional becomes. So I can see why this deal isn’t above criticism.
I’m ok with it. This is a win now move and, well, I really want them to win now so I hope Reynaud works out great and that the rest or the org. will sleep better at night with Rosenfels around.
Final thought – it would be great if the conditional pick is based on Rosenfels playing time and he never plays!
by BigBlueDeadHead on Sep 7, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
5th Rounders rarely are impact players
They contribute, but it’s tough to find an impact guy at say pick # 140-150
Conditional IS based on PT for Sage
So if Manning stays healthy it should be a late rounder
I am all for this trade. 5th, 6th and 7th round picks are no locks to make a team. In 2009 we drafted two CBs in 6 and 7 and neither made the cut. These two are proven NFL players, Sage more than Reynaud.
Just because
we did not pick up any guys off waivers does not mean the Giants did not try. Entirely possible they made a claim or two, but were not able to get the player. We don’t know that. As for ’can’t wait to see our C’s getting toasted’ I really hope you don’t mean that.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 7, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Jacobs actually really *should* be happy.
He got a good contract for 4 yrs and $20m-25m if I remember correctly (anyone?), and the org. is putting him in a position to actually complete it and get paid – and possibly even get another contract after as a back viewed as having something left and not a totally worn-out, broken-down back. What does he want to be run into the ground and be done?
by BigBlueDeadHead on Sep 7, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Or...
He sees the decrease in carries as a sign that he might get cut BECAUSE of his relatively rich contract.
this. His current little bi-polar incident is forgivable...if and only IF...
he Landry’s at least 1 person a game for the whole season…
then I will be proud of our big boy and get my avatar back to him
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
Corners
Corners just need to be healthy.there was no one in waivers worth anything more than the guys we have.
by cjraymz56 on Sep 7, 2010 9:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jacobs
He is just an emotional guy. He like osi speak before they think alot and this is what happends.also like osi angry jacobs means better jacobs.
by cjraymz56 on Sep 7, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jacobs IS pissed off.
Just saying what needs to prevent the perception of dissension within the ranks.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
Let us
not forget that prior to last season Rolle was a CB.
I am sure he can play some corner in Fewell’s scheme and we have Grant and KP playing the deep ball.
At this time I am not worried…..
by G Fan in England on Sep 7, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions
Rolle was apparently very bad at CB
So I hope he stays at S
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to know, they were the collapsing Cards
But yes he did much better at S
5th Round pick
How can anyone be mad at that? You can only hope that a 5th rd pick is able to start and contribute like Reynaud. None of our picks this year are playing. And I think it was a good thing that Jacobs didn’t get to carry the ball last game. He doesn’t need to. Save him for when it counts.I don’t think he was being punished nor should he think so.
Our running game may improve this year if we aren’t behind by three scores in the 2nd quarter. I think our first team defence looked pretty good in the pre-season.
Aaaaauuughhhh! This is going to be a long week.
"The Cowboys Still SUCK"
Let's look at it liked this
…If we had a kick returner AND a proven backup QB from the SAME draft, make our roster—which is what this is—we are ecstatic and praising Reese and company.
Should not we be doing the same now?
by SNORKIS on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Need Jacobs against the Colts
We need to eat up the clock against Peyton and keep him off the field-enter Jacobs and Rashad and your quote needs a little tweaking “The cowgirls still suck”
Wow - getting nervous!
I want to be optimistic and hope they come out aces with the dline run stuffing and pass rush – and run adequately-to-well with a couple big breakout runs — enough to open up the passing game and make pick them apart and make some big plays and win the game.
But I’m caught between pessimism caused by the o-line/center uncertainty/woes, cornerback injuries (not to mention Rolle playing poorly in mid depth coverage – perhaps a spot he’s not used to/good at? – and Phillips and Grant still being new and getting back from injury), and quotes like this: “We’re going to give up underneath throws.” – gag, and optimism caused by how the d-line looks pretty good and AB too, and Eli back to full strength with a full-strength set of receivers, etc., and just hoping that the pre-season was used as a conservative, deliberate feeling out of the squad, and that they didn’t really show at all the kinda MAYHEM they got in store!
Damn – buttaflies, BUTTAFLIES I TELLS YA!!
by BigBlueDeadHead on Sep 7, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Who cares if he's happy
Ever since that Ravens game 2 years ago where Jacobs got injured, he’s been a lot softer than in the past. I hope it was because he wasn’t 100% & now finally is.
Put your head down & get in there, stop tip-toeing & trying to run by guys. Run over them like you used to, you moron. Otherwise, sit down & shut up.
If I see him just fall across the line in a short yardage situation one more time, my head will likely explode.
Jacobs has been softer
But the short yardage is play calling, big backs need space, but team runs elephant package and jam an extra guard in the hole.
TC a bit of a control freak, if he lined up 4 WR, spread force the defense to single cover the WRs just to get it to 7 in the box. Let Jake pick a whole inside. now instead of smashing into the @$$ of an OG, he hits the DL, changes the dynamic.
There are a ton of short yardage approaches, the team just needs to add a couple.
sounds good
love Jacobs off tackle from a single back set, Boss, and our 3 wideouts. I strangely have a good feeling about Gilbride this year.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't...I hope you're right, but he's still spinning his wheels on Beckum
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
I meant I don't know...not I don't
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
+1
I’ve been sayin the same thing for years. plus it adds a hint of doubt to the def. “hey we might just throw it” but TC and KG constantly run that “we’re gonna give it to Brandon” set. It drives me nuts, and we wonder why his numbers are down.
I suspect it may contribute to the injuries
Guys get dirty in the scrums
And bodies are twisting sideways, while he tries to plow forward
question
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Au3IOrNVtvI6E3j.1kNPVFVDubYF?slug=ys-dyingschemes090510
Just read this article on the internet and was surprised. I thought that we were going to a cover 2/tampa 2 defense. is this author just an idiot?
The latter
Although farrar is actually pretty intelligible.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Here is a good article
It’s about the best I’ve seen as far as what to expect this year on D. It makes me nervous to think we might let Philly throw underneath to those speedy WR’s. We’ll see what Fewell has planned when the games start.
Long link, I hope it works.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2010/09/04/2010-09-04_giant_defensive_scheme_a_work_in_progress.html
But they hate contact
So maybe DJ gets lit by Rolle or KPAX and decides to run his routes soft the rest of the game
I think the Giants are going to be a Cover 3 team
Once KP gets settled in I think Fewell will turn him loose and run cover 3.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Shawn Andrews
I’m almost betting we are going to use him in the TE spot for blocking purposes. I don’t see a real urgency to get a blocking TE in here and I’m starting to think it’s cause we’re gonna use this bulldozer on some poor OLB and open up the edges. Plus we’d still have legit passing options on these plays through our wideouts and Boss
I kinda like this thought more than putting a Pascoe out there.
But
A pascoe has to be slightly respected as a receiving threat and was a good blocker. Accomplishes two aspects of game and he does not have to report as eligible receiver and tip off the other team defense—or worse yet, forget to report and take a penalty. The latter good for at least two penalties a year.
Defenses have been getting smaller and more athletic
to deal with more recievers and more passing. I think this type of alignment could expose weaknesses in this philosophy.
On pass plays Eli would have all day to find a target, Andrews wold likely be responsible for helping out against the opponents top pass rusher. With the extra time afforded our guys have a better chance of finding a hole in the coverage.
On runs this guy would likely be in the second level of the def, an OLB or safety, clear mismatch which would result in a pancake breakfast for our RB’s, or at worst sealing of an edge, personally i like my chances with Jacobs or Bradshaw with couple of yards of space to work against the second level of any of these smaller Defs. could also lead to some over commitment by a def to try to get another body over there to level the playing field.
I think the TE situation...
…is indicative of our offensive game planning for this year. Bradshaw as our feature back (been praying for this for 3 years), pass catching TE’s, depth at receiver, Eli’s great 2009. As much as they say, they want to get back to the power run philosophy, I think it’ll be as open as last year, if not more. A lot of attempts by Manning, with screens, pitches, and edge running by Bradshaw. Anything to get him in the open field. 44’s gonna have a big year. Just looking at the offensive roster ‘as is’ shows a willingness to let it fly. Jacobs should just shut up and be ready to pick up those short 3rd downs for us. He can put in the tape from the playoff game in 08 to motivate him….
In Reese I Trust.
vast underestimation
of what Jacobs adds to our offense. #rd and short is where Bradshaw should be used. Jacobs can wear down smaller Defs over the course of a game opening things up for a fresh Bradshaw or our WR’s.
I've heard this before
all the time, from multiple people, over the last few years. I’m not saying just use Jacobs for short yardage, but Bradshaw should get the bulk of the carries. I don’t understand why people won’t give 44 his due. He was unreal, in the playoffs in 07, yet he’s the 3rd back in 08. When we were looking to give up one, after 08, everyone was telling me 44 should go instead of Ward. Instead, Reese made the right move, busted ankles and all, 44 outplays the big guy in 09.
I don’t know if it’s his size or what, people need to quit harping on Jacobs and give Bradshaw his due. He needs to be the focus this year.
Yeah, he is sometimes susceptible for -2 on a carry, but the next one is usually for 25 yards. When there is no hole, Jacobs runs into the back of Snee and falls forward for 1.5 yds. Bradshaw bounces it outside for 6. He needs a shot of being the prime back, regardless of Jacobs contract, size, or whining.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Sep 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
not knocking Bradshaw
He’s good and needs to be used extensively, just sayin to leave Jacobs out of the equation would not benefit either of them or the team. They work well as a tandem, completely different styles that work well together (like Reeeses Peanut Butter Cups, two great tastes that taste great together)
Jacobs wears em down for Bradshaw, Bradshaw tires em out so Jacobs can run em over, either way the order of carries goes we gotta get them both plenty of touches
Great trade
I am very happy with Rosenfels as the Backup QB and Reynaud as a returner and can’t figure out why anyone would dislike it. Pre-Favre, Rosenfels stood a good chance of being the Vikings starting QB considering that his competition was T-jackoff(who is Childress’ pick which is why he’s still on the team) and we get a really good returner which we really needed. Hagan who we cut was rumored to have lost his enthusiasm for his return role and wanted to be a full time receiver-bad timing we have a load of good/great receivers. We should cut one of our lesser secondary people and pick up Dre’Bly if he’s still available as I don’t think I can stomach another year of a swiss cheese secondary. I googled Rosenfels and he has engineered some impressive 4th quarter comebacks in his career and Reynauds stats are pretty good his downside is he seems to fumble sometimes but so did Jacobs and Rashad at one time-it can be cured. A happy Giants fan.
Exactly
and many are disapproving????A fifth round and conditional pick? If we could have done this trade this year and obtained the same players we would all be applauding Reese, right?
Why are the nay-sayers not doing so now?
People not happy with trade
@SNORKIS The disapproving people , I was going by the next to last paragraph in Ed Valentine’ article. I haven’t seen any comments or blogs that disapproved of the trade. According to Ed Valentines reply to Eddiek1977 it is a sixth round pick.
i dissaproved
and still do. Sage was a panic move. at least it feels like one to me. I don’t have any more confidence in Rosenfels to come in and make good decisions under pressure than I had in Bomar, vet or not, I don’t like how the guy plays.
A couple of my friends, who are Miami fans, (nobody’s perfect) used to applaud when passes from Sage hit the turf, high fiving each other happy that it wasn’t intercepted.
That doesn’t inspire much confidence.
Reynaud, I just don’t know enough about the kid, he could be the silver lining of this deal… I hope he is.
Wrong.....
Hey, I’m Giant a fan living in Houston, and I have seen every down Rosefels has played since the Carr era.
We picked up, arguably, the BEST backup QB in the league. Sage is quite capable, what he got killed for here was his penchant for bonehead mistakes at the end of games… But he was very productive, and honestly, some of his bonehead mistakes came because he had the sack to go for something that he probably shouldnt have. If you make enough of those, you are Brett Favre, if you don’t you are Rosenfels…
Anyway, to say he sucks is flat wrong. I will tell you he is better than MANY starting QB’s in this league and he is a hell of alot better than Bomar.
Move makes sense.
Rosenfels had a chance to be the starting QB in Minnesota had Favre not come back. He’s had decent QB ratings and good completion percentages throughout his career. For a backup QB this is as safe a bet as you get. The same with Reynaud, he’s a solid return man, which is what the Giants need. I think this is one of the few good moves Reese has made and giving up a couple late rounds draft picks is not so bad considering how average his recent drafts have been.
Sage had a chance to start
cause his competition was Tavaris Jackson. I’d start Sage or Rhett or Steven Hawking or you over him.
the giants should cut ross, he is the nick johnson of football. how many games has he played in the last three years. even when healthy, he was consistenely getting beat. hes no kid he was almost 25 years old when they wasted there no. one pick on him. trade him if ha has any value which is doubtful.
Isn't Nick Johnson a poor analogy, then?
Given that you’re saying that Ross is consistently getting beat, whereas Johnson is generally a very effective player when he’s healthy?
It still hurts to remember
The Jets leapfrogging us by trading with Carolina and getting Revis in 2007. A few picks later we take Ross in a bit of a reach because we needed a corner. Then Carolina uses the two picks from the Jets to get Beason and then Kalil (alternate pro bowl center last year). Ugh!
lets at least say trade ross
He would start on 1/2 the teams, so he has to have some trade value
LOL First Osi and now Jacobs..
I’m starting to think Tom has ties to the Mob lol. Hopefully crybaby Jacobs will never open his mouth again, I hate it when he speaks… the way he stutters would make one think, that he wouldn’t want to talk at all.
I'm not going to knock the trade
Plenty of teams would be willing to draft a return specialist with their 5th round pick. That’s essentially what we did and we got a solid backup QB for what will probably be something like a 6th or 7th round pick. Again no team would scoff at using that pick for a backup QB.
I am highly worried about the CB position. We are very thin at that position. We know what happened last year when we were too thin at a defensive secondary position and the injuries started.
The lack of depth at center is frustrating. There were several good options in this years draft that could have been brought in to compete at LG and add depth at C. It’s something I had really hoped the team would do. They’ve added comp. at LG via Andrews, but that does little to help with the C situation. I can onyl hope that O’Hara continues to be an iron man. Luckily with his vast experience missing practice should be less detrimental to him. My concern is if Andrews wins the LG job then there won’t be as much opportunity for those two to build chemistry on their double team blocks.
Jacobs is mad and has every right to be. Coughlin and crew still don’t know how to deal with players. If they had a conversation with Jacobs behind closed doors before he found out through the media that he was now second fiddle he might have had less opportunity to get caught upset and speak without thinking.
All teams are a bit thin at CB
On C, Hartwig and Mawae available, so if O’Hara really is too banged up, they can make a change immediately
I can’t get excited about Jacobs, he’s always spouting about something, its just his way. Lets give him the ball and see what he can do. What else really matters?
Always seems
to be damage control with Coughlin doesn’t it? He did have the sit down as you know, but AFTER the fact as you alluded to. Now, that being said, Jacobs should also be smart enough to recognize that AB1 is playing well and finished the season last year injured(played through it),played well in camp AND kept his mouth shut and did his work.
The playing time followed suit.
Why can all on the outside see that Coughlin takes no crap and if you do your work, shut your cake hole and show up on time, you play and stay.
IE: Moss
Defense
After a preseason worth of games it seems pretty apparent we are indeed running a Tampa 2 defense despite all the claims that we weren’t.
I read a lot on Fewell when hired
Some insiders said, he doesn’t run a Tampa 2, but he does run a Cover 2 (but so did Spags a bunch of the time).
The Tampa is simply a form of Cover 2. You can run that defense anywhere from hyper aggressive to super passive, so don’t let the Cover 2 throw you.
My guess is that he is trying to develop some different looks the way Spags did. Not line up the same way all the time. Sheridan tried to create confusion with some basic zone blitz ideas, but they were old and offenses knew how to counter them. Spags shifted from a base Cover 2 to Cover 1 and some Cover 3. And every now and then he threw the kitchen sink at em. Keep em off guard. It worked
Spags used more 2 man under than cover 2
The safeties are in a cover 2 shell in either situation but what happens underneath is very different (man vs. zone). Spags pressed his corners the majority of the time to take away the quick outs then brought pressure and played manoemano. The cover 2 we’ve been running this season has been a lot of off coverage, playing the QB rather than reciever, give up the quick outs and try to break on the ball for a quick tackle or exploit a messup for a turnover. I suppose you could say Fewell runs more cover 2 than tampa 2, the difference there is really just how deep you expect the MLB to drop. Goff doesn’t have the ability to drop very deep so yeah I guess it looks more standard cover 2.
The problem is that you need great linebackers to tackle the recievers when they get those short passes
And we could possibly have the worst linebacking group in the league
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we have good LB's
all these guys really need to do is tackle. To be a great Tackler you need to be confident. It may take a while, but I believe after these guys make some plays, Perry would get them hype and they will play more confidently. Thus, becoming better tacklers.
We may not get any Pro bowlers out of this crew, but they will play good as a group.
Good choice hedging the bet :)
Boley is athletic, but he seems to get out of position a lot which is my biggest concern with him. He also wasn’t a strong tackler last year, especially against the run. Goff is pretty stiff and slow and gets washed out on run plays. That is very concerning to me. Bulluck would be of no worry to me if he wasn’t 33 coming puff major knee surgery. That guy could flat out play before injury. With him it will be a question of health. I’ll not even touch on Sintim because my evaluation of him tends to anger some folks.
Spags system worked when pass rush came together
Then when injuries forced Madison and McQuarters from CB and Webster and Ross played, the D really gelled. But a better comparison would be to what happened in pre season.
In pre season Giants CBs seemed to be allergic to WRs. Fewell complained about some CBs because they weren’t aggressive enough at the LOS.
So I’m not sure how anyone can known what will happen. It’s sort of like how everyone knew that WR would be the teams achilles heal in 2009
Corners...
I agree, I’m worried about our depth. We all know Ross will be in a boot for half the year. The young Johnsons better step up and learn on the fly.
As for Sage, I think he’s a perfect backup. If Eli goes down for a couple games he will keep us in the hunt. I am a bit discouraged that we are using late round picks on developmental QBs though and then not sticking with them. I’d rather use the late round pick on somebody who can maybe contribute on ST and then get a veteran backup QB through FA.
Kick his ass Sea Bass
Looked at Darius Reynaud's interview
He sounds like a good person. Very charismatic and somewhat humorous. Looks like he’s happy to be a G-Man. From the things that I stated… it looks like he’s the exact opposite of Brandon Jacobs lol.
Link to Interview: http://www.giants.com/multimedia/
opening day LT jersey?
I hope our d is ready to stop the run sunday. I think we are with canty and rocky playing better,plus our new rooks jpp and linval joseph. Cant wait for the game gonna be sitting in my new seats screaming for the big blue!!!! only problem I have is my lucky jersey is a throwback LT jersey not sure if I should wear it or not.
Hell yeah!
wear it!
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Wear it
I’m pretty sure yours won’t be the only one
Bomar is not ready
I may be in the minority but the trade for Sage was one that the Giants had to make. Eli is going to be the starting quarterback for the next 5-7 years. You don’t develop backups at this point in his career. The Giants backup is someone that needs to help Eli as much as possible, not someone that Eli needs to be teaching. He hasn’t reached that point in his career yet. Personally, the back up quarterback is not someone who should be playing at all this year, however if necessary, it needs to be someone with experience; not someone that had trouble completing passes against 3rd and 4th stringers in the preseason.
The key to that trade however Reynaud. He was a steal and he instantly gives our return teams credibility. Let’s face it, we don’t have anyone on the team that can return the ball. So the fact that we got those two players for two late round picks makes us a better team than if we had Bomar and/or Tim Brown on the 53.
by DaWriter on Sep 7, 2010 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not sure
Eli needs help from the back up QB at this point. But it’s obvious the Giants didn’t have the necessary comfort level to go with Bomar should disaster strike. maybe next year Bomar gets the job if he keeps progressing. maybe he goes by the wayside. NFL QB career paths are very unpredictable, aren’t they?
There has been a screaming need for a quality PR/KR. That was a big loss when Hixon went down. Hopefully we have someone now to replace him in Reynaud.
This is why the Woodsen and Bomar picks perplex me
Eli is going nowhere soon, so there is no point in trying to develop a QB right now. We are far better off just moving through vet backup QBs as our insurance policies and game tape buddies. Bring in a young QB when Eli is nearing retirement, until then all these QB picks by Reese are absolute wastes of draft picks.
especially
since the Giants and TC aren’t the type of organization/coach that will be patient or trust a backup QB time to develop. Getting Bomar on the PS buys us another year. If Bomar doesn’t make the cut after next preseason he’ll definitely be gone.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Because if he looks good
we can rip off some crap franchise (Seahawks) of a high pick for the young QB if hes developed the right way
ala Chargers
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times has that gamble really paid off
I can think of Schaub and Whitehurst, but that’s it, and Schaub is the only one I can think of that is actually a starter. Iget the concept, but don’t like it. It still seems like a waste of a draft pick to me. If anything it falls into the category of Reese’s game that I don’t like where he seems to apparently think he can always find diamonds in the rough and get something amazing out of nothing. I’d like to see more moves that are for guys with higher floors that are more likely to actually be able to play a role for this team.
yeah but sometimes
There isn’t anyone worth drafting in that round, if you don’t think there is a guy that can make the team, you could be better off developing a QB
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But I always think there is a guy you could bring in that would be competition at a spot. It could be a return specialist or some other ST target, or a position that doesn’t get a lot of fanfare like FB. It just seems like those guys would have more chance of impact. Heck look at two UDFA WRs making a team supposedly stacked there.
Smelling an awful lot of doom n gloom
What’s with you guys? Think people are feeling that last bit of pre-season anxiety. That’ll all go away after the first crack of the pads. Only 5 days to go. It’s all gravy baby.
another giants RB pissed at his carries
so shocked. I think the Giants and Jacobs need to realized hes in the ‘charles way’ role now. Short yardage/goal line/and the change of pace type situations is where BJ will be seen. He has to, it will keep him healthy and fresh.
C’mon big fella be a team player.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
The thing is
He’s not always effective in those short tough yardage situations because he never mastered running low. He gets stood up too much and it’s been a while since he pushed the pile with his pure size and strength. maybe he gets back to that this year if angry and healthy?
Sorry
I miss the auto capitalization of my sentences that is on my phone and I forget to check before sending.
agreed
BJ is at his best when he gathers some speed then cuts up fields. Most of his successful runs were off left tackle then cuts it up field. For his size he’s too slow to run between the tackles. The holes close too quickly.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Correct..BJ runs far too upright..
The player I saw him runover this pre-season was Eli Manning..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
no way
Bradshaw will die if he gets 20+ carries per game
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No need for alarm
Yes, I’m a little worried about our cb’s, but at least we can drop rolle down to nickelback, if johnson and johnson suck (assuming K Phillips is good to go). Hopefully, Ross can finally get healthy, but it’s not as bad as last year. Maybe thin at CB, but we’re deep at safety. One of the reasons we got Rolle is his versatility. A little concerned at center, looks as if that injury is going to be an ongoing pain. Hopefully Koets can step up, and fill if needed…
Bottom line is we’re one of the deepest teams on both sides of the ball. We can be worried like fans of other teams, which all have injury concerns before week 1, but we’re very deep. That’s what made our cuts so much harder this year. I’d rather be in our position than 90% of the other teams!
In Reese I Trust.
with a sig like that you musta been lurking for a while.....no?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I've been reading you guys for quite awhile, so lurking yes...
recently just decided to add my 2 cents. I pretty much hit here 1st, the blue screen, giants.com, then the nfc east blog on espn, in that order…If I’m missing any let me know.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Sep 7, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like you got it covered....
MG’s (NJ.com) site is good too….although I avoid it at all costs. those guys were getting on my boy Love Poppa something fierce last year….so i had to sign up and tell them what I thought of them….
I must say the ESPN Draft board is always fun….when it’s up and running….we keep that one jumping all year round.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I'll have to check mg's more...
I’ve read it a few times, I liked ernie pallandino’s small blog, (ralph v. recommended it) but I guess he’s moving to foxsports.com…. http://erniepalladinosgiantsbeat.blogspot.com/….I used to read bbi, as well. To be honest, in time constraints I kind of lean on this blog to send me in the right direction regarding links…a lot easier. My favorite part about this blog is the links to the various newspapers, and worthwhile articles.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Sep 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Our Defense is specialized...
In giving up underneath throws. I thought that was a concern, but it isn’t… because that’s exactly what we want them to do. It’s definitely been working, last year we gave up throws all over the field, and if you look at it… our starters haven’t gave up a big play this preseason.
So I guess we won’t be drafting a LB in the first round next year. Maybe we will go RB next year, Freebradshaw.
I know you're not the only one...
but you’re the one I had the disagreement with. So as of right now, I’m no longer against drafting a RB in the first round… only if that RB is much more talented than any OLmen available.
that's a fair stance
and pretty much exactly how I thought of it. A great OL can make any RB good. But a great RB can make an average OL look great.
Since I haven't been paying attention the last few months...
Could you elaborate on this a bit? I guess I’ve always been schooled that giving up underneath throws is a bad choice, especially against some of our conference opponents who live on the underneath throw. I understand the point that an underneath throw is better than a downfield throw but an underneath throw followed by a scamper is a sure way to rack of first downs. I dunno, and that’s pretty much the point.
I kinda like the idea
If you watch the Colts’ games, their defense is almost identical to ours. As the season goes on our players we improve instinctively and make breaks on the ball quicker. Our Linebackers don’t really have to be great, all they really need to be is fast and great tacklers, since they wont have to man-up against RB’s and TE’s.
We’re basically running the Tampa 2, and we have the main ingredient for being successful when running this defense. And that’s a great DLine.
Problem is
Our linebackers are neither fast nor great tacklers….
I'm nervous just as you are...
but I’m waiting to see how we perform before I let that nervousness settle in lol.
If you look at our preseason, we gave up very few TDs in the Redzone from our starters. And one was off a mistake(Jets game, man left uncovered). It says a lot, because teams got into our Redzone many times while our starters were on the field.
I think the reason why our LB’s aren’t sure tacklers yet, is because they don’t have the mentality of a sure tackler(which Perry will give them). None of our LB’s are slow either, just not among the Leagues fastest. And that’s the exact reason why we’re focusing on underneath passes.
That's the Tampa 2 theory
Bend but don’t break. Such schemes are willing to give up short plays and let the offense methodically work down the field. The concept is supposed to be that you don’t give up any big plays and force the offense to earn their way down the field. Players are supposed to break on the receiver on the short passes and wrap him up to prevent YAC. The hope is that by making the offense work slowly down the field it increases the probability that the offense makes a mistake. Since the defenders are sitting back watching the QB they can often break on the errant throw for a pick. Tampa 2 defenses tend to get a lot of turnover but also give up a lot of yards. The scheme isn’t completely without merit. The bus were nasty with it, but in the current NFL with lots of spread influence sometimes it doesn’t work out great. It also takes certain types of players which is my biggest concern because we don’t have those players. The corner backs need to be good out in space watching the QB and need to be quick to break on the ball in a Tampa 2. We’ve got big physical corners that are more suited to press man coverage. The linebackers in a Tampa 2 are expected to drop into coverage zones but be able to burst forward if it is a run. The linebackers in a Tampa 2 should be fast and fluid. Boley fits the mold to a degree as does Bulluck. Goff is too slow and stiff and Sintim is completely the wrong guy for a Tampa 2. The Tampa 2 is usually based on 1 gap penetrating lines. The DTs should penetrate and play the run on the way to the QB. That is because the LBs are dropping back. Usually Tampa 2 defenses are a little smaller on the DL. Coefield and Canty are not penetrating DTs, they are space eaters better suited to a scheme that would be bringing the LBs down to blitz. We’ll see how it runs out and what adjustments are made. Currently I’m nervous.
at this point I really think it's more a matter of Chemistry...than personnel
In order to play Defense effectively you have to be on the same page as one another. Know what you are doing as a defense and know what you are trying to dictate to the offense. I do not see that cohesion yet….but I think in order to achieve that you must get pressure on the QB. We are effectively trying to force the Offenses hand….force those underneath routes.
If we can do that our LBs will start Teeing off on guys…i firmly believe that. If we are unable to do this than it really won’t matter what the LBs / secondary is doing….we’ll get picked apart.
a DB can only stay with a WR for so long….a LB can only stick w/ a TE/RB for so long. Fewell wants these guys to watch the QB but that will get you burned badly b/c any good QB will look you away if he’s got time.
Get Pressure.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
+1000
“If we can do that our LBs will start Teeing off on guys…i firmly believe that. If we are unable to do this than it really won’t matter what the LBs / secondary is doing….we’ll get picked apart.” I was thinking the exact same thing. That would force fumbles and make Receivers drop passes. And our safety will get the chance to follow the QB eyes and make a play off the ball.
For some reason I feel really confident with this defense, I guess I finally see where Fewell is going with this.
We have the most talented DE depth in the League, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Osi, Kiwi, Tuck and JPP on the field at the same time. Any creative DC would love this depth that we have.
I agree pressure has become the key of defense in the NFL
Whether you play man or zone pressure is key. With the zone we’ll be playing there will be natural holes in the coverage to exploit if the QB has too much time. When that happens you give up the short stuff and the big stuff. The question will be can the front four alone generate that pressure as is generally asked in a Tampa 2 scheme. We have some good lineman, but our pressure of fame from the Spags years was not generated by four man rushes as much as by lots of various blitz schemes involving the linebackers. We’ll see how it goes. Sheridan’s was a cheap bastardization of what Spags ran. Fewell is going to run something totally new and different. What I saw in preseason was just the occasional basic blitz with primarily base cover 2. It will be interesting to see what we get when the real games start.
we'll adjust....
we keep giving up the short stuff than the LB adjust to it….they learn how to disagnose it. Maybe Bulluck alone will be able to help in that regard? IDK.
You hit the nail on the head when you said that we need the front 4 to be dominant. Fewell is not going to be nearly as aggressive as say Spags was….w/ that said, I do have confidence in his pressure schemes…much more so than I did with Sheridan. Still it will have to play out.
I’m hoping for more deception from the front 7 as well….I want to see guys hiding our intentions and confusing the Offense.
It’s not an easy task…but if the same 11 guys can get acclimated with one another I think we’ll figure it out….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Deception
We’ll see on that one if that is a wrinkle Fewell puts into his scheme. The Tampa 2 traditionally does not use much deception. The concept in the Tampa 2 is execution over deception. When Tampa was ruling the league with it everyone knew exactly what play the defense was doing. There were really any games or tricks to it, but they executed it to perfection. It didn’t matter that teams knew exactly what the defense was doing and where the holes should be because that team would just clamp those holes out as well. It’s a very different concept then some of the blitz based schemes that are popular throughout the league now that really on lots of confusion and masking whose coming and whose going.
with that said....
I don’t see Fewell bringing a lot of blitzes…like you say. So that’s why i stress the front 4….
but when he does blitz…I would be interested in seeing what happens.
We also don’t have to Blitz to be deceptive. on 3rd and long and you don’t gotta necessarily bring the house to get the job done…but you can still show rush with some guys and drop them back, and vice versa. After all, the ’00 Bucs we are not.
I was never really a big fan of bring pressure from the edge…just b/c usually the QB sees it and knows where the blitzer is at….I also think a straight line is the quickest point from A to B….However, with the talent we have at DE, I think bring Boley outside of those guys can be effective. I saw Fewell do it 3 times at least vs. the Pats. 1) when he didn’t kill the RB and Banks called him out on it 2) the TD pass when Rolle got beat…Boley was a split second late (due mainly to an adjustment by the QB). 3) the Sack when he was blitzing next to JPP.
I think Fewell likes Boley for that….oddly enough a role that I thought Sintim would actually grow into. Clearly there is more to the position than just blitzing from the outside….but I thought they would try to fit him in there. Kinda like people want them to throw a fade to Barden in the endzone.
but we’ll see.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Pardon me....I have no clue why i wrote '00 Bucs in there, meant to say Ravens
in regards to our Defense.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Sintim and Barden
That’s a good point about both those guys. A lot of people think about them in relation to that one type of play they can see them excelling at. The issue is the player has to be able to make the other types of plays as well. Sintim and Barden have both failed at being able to do the everything else which is why they are getting beaten out for playing spots.
Spags was big on bringing pressure straight up the middle. Lots of A gap pressure. I love it how he would walk two LBs up into one gap and one or the other or both or neither would come on the blitz. You could tell it gave the OL fits, especially when he then even stunted off of stuff like that. Spags was a master of confusion. I think Fewell will be more straightforward both in coverage and blitzes. Like you were noticing I expect the basic OLB blitz off the edge, just straight up here’s an extra man to block to get one on ones for your pass rushers. We’ll see….
I don't think it's a matter of being pigeonholed
I think it’s a matter of understanding that these guys are transitioning….and have been for quite some time, but I digress….if you want to get some positive use outta these players you may want to play to their strengths. In Sintim’s case it’s obviously rushing the passer.
In Barden’s case I guess I’m just stubburn. I think he can be much more than a redzone WR…I really think he can be a great possession receiver. I think had Barden played on a team that was not so stacked at WR he woulda seen more playing time. I also continue to believe that Barden is the #4 WR on the team. However I think if anyone could displace him on Sundays it will be Calhoun not Cruz. Coughlin is praising Calhoun’s ST play…granted the rabidity of the fans obsession w/ Barden has died dramatically but I still think he’s a big cog this year.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Hmmmm
Tampa 2 didn’t yield many yards in Tampa
And Spags pass rush was great because he took advantage of tons of pieces. He understood that Tuck was a weapon and he got him on the field.
If Fewell can get JPP in position, and Linval too, they will generate the pass rush.
But seriously, even Dungy had modified the Tampa 2 at the end in Indy. It always boils down to pressure, and if you can do it with 4 you are better off.
Jacobs probably is just fine.
I hate post game press comments, especially when they’re written down. I don’t think there’s ever been one that hasn’t been taken out of context, especially with Jacobs.
I hope TT was kidding with the underneath throws. I mean, its fine to give that up for a bit, but you can’t just be jabbed the whole game, you ain’t gonna last.
Jacobs is fine because...
I think he is fine because TC gave him a sneak peak into the game plan this week. Guess what BJ, you are a great poker player. I’ll sit down and play poker with you any day. Bring that 24 million. He will play plenty. Frankly, i think we were smart to bench him most of the pre as it allowed for him to get healthy and not have anymore excuses.
Jacobs may well be happy
but when you go from the #1 guy who shares a little to the guy who gets a share from the #1 guy, there is a difference. There’s a difference in mentality and attitude, and it’s been oozing from Jacobs – sometimes more, sometimes less, but it’s still there and it is noticeable.
Technically there is no difference, in the perfect utopia – I get it. He’s supposed to be a team player. But his demeanor has changed some, too. Maybe it will piss him off enough that he does something with it other than pitter-pat his way through the line of scrimmage on Sunday.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
I think...
His bank account statement proves his happiness!
Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.
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