Monday Open Thread
by Ed Valentine on Sep 6, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintI am enjoying one final end of summer trip to our camp in the Adirondack Mountains. That means no Internet for me until we return sometime Monday evening.
So, an Open Thread for you today. Chat about the Giants roster, the season opener against Carolina, the NFC East, the U.S. Open tennis tournament, baseball pennant races. Anything sports-related you want to toss out there.
Anything big happens my guess is you guys will know about it before I do.
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Broncos
Signed Andre Brown! I might be late tho
by omfGIANTS on Sep 6, 2010 7:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
awww
Dislike. WTF’s up with Coughlin hanging on to his “favorites” for way too long? All we got left is AB, BJ, and DW? All those guys are injury prone…
Giants
tried to be cute and got caught out.
At least Bomar and Bear made it to the PS
by G Fan in England on Sep 6, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Was D(J)W ineligible for PS?
Yeah then I think they got cute hoping to keep both as injury depth and ending up losing the better of the two. Or D(J)W just better at ST etc. but AB2 looked good as RB3 to me.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Sep 6, 2010 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DW
had too much experience to make the PS.
That said, Brown had injury issues so it was surprising the Broncos signed him to the active roster. I guess their RB woes are worse than ours.
by G Fan in England on Sep 6, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Broncos do have it bad
I heard Moreno might not be ready for their season opener…
Brown should be ready for them by week 2…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I think he did KR...but didn't have any good production at it
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Right
That last “injury prone” comment was just added on. Ware’s been around for 3 years and he’s shown us nothing, just like S. Moss.
Was hoping we’d have a 4th RB, even an injury prone one, with a complete skillset (Derrick Ward-esque).
no worries.
Shawnbrey McNeal who’s on the PS is pretty much that. He’s more AB1 the he is AB2 tho…which probably is a good thing.
Was McNeal
released by the Chargers?
If so it is ironic that we have picked up another ex Chargers RB following Johnson last year.
What is his scouting report or are you no longer in draft mode…
by G Fan in England on Sep 6, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone had this video from yesterday.
I remember McNeal was a sleeper RB for me in the draft. He’s only 5"9 190lbs and ran a 4.48.
Looking at the video he’s really quick and has excellent hands. Much rather have him on the PS then Gartrell Johnson, who’s a tortoise.
It'd be nice to have a back with some speed
Tired of seeing AB juking the shit out of seemingly 20 guys, and then getting caught from behind for a 3 yard gain.
We’ll see though, McNeal looks really raw. I see few/no broken tackles, no real RB moves (just cuts), and some of those chip blocks were uglllly. Plus, I could’ve driven a semi through some of those holes he had, lol.
I don't think McNeal is on the Practice Squad...
RV MISREPORTED that yesterday and then retracted it twice. The last I heard we only have 7 on the Practice Squad with the eighth likely to be signed today, and RV reported it wasn’t likely to be McNeal. This was as of yesterday late afternoon.
Hey, I wanted McNeal...
And I think our 8th practice squad signing needs to be a running back, as we only have Jacobs and Bradshaw as experienced running backs with Ware (inexperienced and like the other two, injury prone), and our new return man, who is listed as a running back but is newly switched from wide receiver and is really a special teams player. We’re THIN in numbers there!
In all fairness to Ware
he hasn’t really had a chance with Ward, Grant, Jacobs and Bradshaw getting nearly all the work. I think he is a capable running back and see no reason to compare him with Moss.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 6, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Grant as in Ryan Grant?
I thought we traded away Grant before getting Ware?
Still, Bradshaw was a 7th round pick while Ware was undrafted, both in 2007. It’s not like AB had any job security. Bradshaw stepped up, Ware didn’t/couldn’t. Sure he could be like Ward and be a late bloomer, but he’s going into his 4th year in the NFL with a career total of 73 rushing yards.
Yes, you are correct....Grant was gone in 2007
Also Yes for 73 yards for Ward in 2009, but only 13 carries….. But that’s 5.9 yards per carry, so it’s not all his fault. If we hadn’t been flush with good running backs he might have had more carries. I stand by my former statement that he simply didn’t get enough carries to get a fair chance. I also don’t think it is fair to compare him with Moss. They are two totally different scenerios.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 6, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone in the league is injury prone
We took the best possible 53 players to make a difference on this squad.
Blount Vasher?
Have either of them been picked up cause id like to see both on the team especially blount hes big and got some speed for his size and strong
by gianthawk34 on Sep 6, 2010 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how about Jordan Babineaux
released from seattle, former teammate of grant could be a useful backup at safety
Random thoughts
My mets, done….i has a sad
My Fantasy football recieving core is fucked. Its pretty awful..any sleeper ideas will be taken seriously.
Scott Pilgrim vs the world was awesome
KOVY!!!!!!!!!
i miss Bear Pascoe simply for his name
Did i mention the mets make me sad?
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I see Mike Williams as being
A solid contributor to the Seahawks, just not in any fantasy-relevant way. On run plays, it’s like having a (BIG) TE out there mauling the corner.
Rams, Browns had #1 options last year too
Taking any offensive players not named Steven Jackson or Jerome Harrison was bad news bears.
jones on my 'watch' list
as is carlson, te sea. and massaquio out of cleveland cause he is their only option
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Ah, glad to see you here.
They make me sad too, but time for the autumn migration.
Bear Pascoe
will be elevated from the PS to the roster sooner than later.There’s no way the Giants enter the season with one blocking TE. And no they won’t run two TE sets using an OL.
I believe when the Giants cut him they were pretty certain he wouldn’t be claimed by another team. Signing him to the PS bought them some time to see if another experienced TE became available. The only way he can be claimed off our PS roster is to be placed on another team’s active 53 man roster. Teams already had that opportunity when he was cut.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Bear is active in the first game if the Giants don’t acquire another TE.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
I agree
I would think G Johnson is on speed dial as well if we need to add to the RB’s.
I do not want to sign aging RB’s such as Parker.
With Koets doing ok at CN and if Andrews keeps it together It looks better about our OL than Iit did a couple of weeks ago.
by G Fan in England on Sep 6, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure this isn't a popular view but if I had my way there would never be a need for two blocking tight ends.
In fact I would only use tight ends that are mobile and have great hands. On my team If you need a blocker use a blocker…a tackle or guard.
Of course I don’t have a team…..thought I would mention that before someone else did…LOL
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Having 2 BTE
Would help with our red zone problems…
On the other hand, getting a creative offensive coordinator would too.
The most creative thing he has over done...
Was the end around(Hakeem Nicks) last week against the Pats.
You would have one very predictable team
Pass catchers who can’t block are on the field, hmmm.. wonder what the play is. Two extra offensive lineman are on the field, hmmm… wonder what the play is. There is a reason why a true on the line Y that can block and catch is a valued commodity in this league.
Actually I don't see any reason to ever have a two tight end formation unless there is a realistic threat that they might actually catch a pass.
If you want maximum protection just bring in one more wide body and send the tight end out too if he isn’t need to cover the blitz.
On the other hand If you think you can dictate the game with your running atttack you might as well just bring in two more true blockers and have at it.
Just my opinion
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 6, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a school of thought that max protect is redundant
That the more guys in protection the more the defense can bring, from where they want so you get overloads, and you get doubled WRs (remember the QB gives them an extra man).
Tillman, Coryell, Walsh all used multiple receivers from multiple positions to try to dictate numbers where THEY wanted them. You want to bring the blitz, I’ll float a RB into space for a very short pass with tons of YAC.
Just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat (or pluck an Eagle), the need for a 2nd TE or 4th RB or any other sub is overrated. The key will be the use of the personnel. Go 4 WR/BJ in short yardage. If they don’t spread out to cover pass, if they do let BJ exploit the gaps. There ate other solutions as well.
maybe having Beckum as the 2nd TE
instead of just some run of the mill guy like Pascoe will force Gilbride to use Beckum?
Rather have Beckum in the offense then Pascoe.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
why won't they run 2 TE sets with an OL?
they did it last year. And unless they sign another TE, or they think Beckum can handle it (something not one seems to want to admit as a possibility), they will get 2 TE’s out there.
Actually it makes Boss more of a receiver if they pass out of that situation.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's that nobody wants
To admit but he couldn’t block in college, didn’t really play last year, and hasn’t practiced that much in training camp. It’s unlikely he is turned into a decent blocker. They will use a
OL in short yardage, which will be fine.
by Giants56 on Sep 6, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the thing is
Kevin Boss was basically Travis Beckum, except bigger (lot bigger) at Western Oregon.
By his second season he was an excellent blocking TE. Don’t underrate our TE coach, who’s one of the best in the NFL.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt he is
And I don’t doubt he can teach him to be an adequate blocker, he just hasn’t played or practiced much. Dustin Keller is similar in size to TB and it hasn’t hurt the Jets running game so I believe TB can develop
by Giants56 on Sep 6, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because an OL can't run a route or catch a ball
Where do folks get the notion that two TE sets are only used in short yardage situations? In single back two TE sets (formations that get used a lot in the NFL) you want two guys that can block and catch. One guy might be better at one than the other and vice versa but it needs to be an option with both otherwise your play calling becomes stupidly predictable. Singleback twin TE bookends you can run the stretch either way, go play action off it and release either or both TEs, get a high low read etc. Usually an OL playing TE on a goalline or short yardage is coming in as a THIRD TE. Then you either have pure power running it or one of the first two TEs can slip out on play action.
Im not an idiot
Obviously 2 TE sets are used in situations other than short yardage. I think Boss and Beckum are a very good 2 TE set. Boss can do block and catch and Beckum is a very good pass receiver. People act like because Beckum isn’t Pettigrew in the blocking department they can NEVER run the ball if he is in the game. Keller is an undersized TE that wasn’t known for his blocking and it didn’t hurt the Jets.
by Giants56 on Sep 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From what I've seen of Beckum
He not only lacks size but also technique and more importnatly aggressiveness to block effectively. A small guy can block a big guy if he does it right and has the moxy to stuff his hat in there and not be afraid. Beckum couldn’t do that last year, and we haven’t seen him this year, so that leaves me very worried.
2 TE formation is probably one of the most popular 1st down formation
2 WR 2 TE 1 RB
A very balanced formation that you can run from or pass from.
Especially if your QB isn’t Drew Brees or Peyton Manning.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
2TE offense creates a log jam for BJ
He does better with more space and spread
Not really
One of Jacobs best plays is the stretch which works great out of single back bookend TEs. It spreads the defense more than a FB set like the I.
777 you are correct
2 TE sets are used very often….3 TE sets as well.
Beckum is not someone you really feel comfortable with on the line….yeah, they could plug an Olinemen in there for the time being but I don’t see the team continuing on w/out a capable blocking TE
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
seened to do fine with Mike Matthews
why do folks ignore 2008 like it never happened?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Matthews was a TE
Like I said it’s fine that one might be more blocking focused and the other more of a catcher, but they both need to be an option for both to keep some honesty involved in the defense. You don’t run play action every tiem, but the mixin of it helps the offense right? Giving the defense another player they have to accoutn for even if he isn’t seen as a big threat is an advantage. They can’t completely ignore the player or you could just keep dumping it to him.
I’d also note on Matthews that he was originally the third TE behind Shockey and Boss. In 2008 there were three TEs on roster as well with Matthews and Darcy Johnson splitting time as the other TE on the field with Boss.
Which is why I don't think they'll leave 2 TE's on the roster.
Seems they’re copying the Eagles again, who have Celek and Clay Harbor on the roster as the only 2 TE’s.
Matthews was only listed as a TE for whatever reason. He was 6’3 300lbs with hands of mortar.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
they'll use
an OL on occasion but they won’t use an OL exclusively in a 2 TE set. In a 2 TE set eliminates a WR allowing defenses to double Boss or other receivers.
OL are more often used in 3 TE sets in short yardage situations.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Well shoot
Someone here actually knows a thing or two about football. Your a good man Frank.
I thought this was a no brainer
anyone suggesting using an OL exclusively in a 2 TE set simply doesn’t know football.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
beat me to it by like 1 sec haha
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 6, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Giants sign RB/FB Charles Scott to PS
…as per rotoworld.
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 6, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
At least it's a running back...
I was more hoping for a speedy runner/pass receiver type, but the important thing is insurance at RB as we were VERY thin in numbers there.
He was really hyped during draft time...and the Iggles had a "steal"...
but he never panned out for them OR the Cardinals
NYG 2010: Built to win now.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 6, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
if it is the guy the Eagles drafted and then traded then the good ol boys at BGN will be well and truly laughing their heads off at this signing.
In the preseason games he could not run, catch or block.
by G Fan in England on Sep 6, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
would've rather they had McNeal
tho I’m wondering why the hell that was reported anyway.
Scott’s just a big bruiser from LSU. Little bit faster and bigger then Gartrell Johnson, but coulda swore he’s a knucklehead.
Oh well..probably never hear from him.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently RV did the original report on McNeal (I'd rather him also)...
based on a tweet from an NFL Agent, who it turned out wasn’t McNeal’s Agent, and whose info was incorrect.
Scott was a powerful runner at LSU
He’s a bruiser that’s for sure. We know Jacobs tread is getting thin, so I’ve got no problem with bringing in a bruiser with some potential to the practice squad to see if he can be turned into something. We are just talking practice squad here so if it doesn’t pan out no big loss. I see it as a good move because Bradshaw and Ware are both of the shiftier variety, so if something happens to Jacobs we might have a bruiser to activate.
Has anyone seen of the Panther's preseason games?
I would like to know how they looked and how you think the Giants will measure up to them.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 6, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
Their defense looks impenetrable....
their offense looks worse than the Browns
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 6, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
that having been said...
…then have displayed the ability to run the ball down our throats in recent years and beat us at home at the most inopportune moments (with the exception of 2008).
I bet these guys are getting sick of playing us on the road. Three times in three consecutive seasons now.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 6, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
When you look back on it
Us loosing that game in 2008 would’ve been a blessing in disguise. I definitely would’ve preferred to play the cards that year over the eagles.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, what they said.
The defense looks better than I would’ve ever imagined, and the offense looks worse than I ever would’ve imagined. Matt Moore did incredible late last year, but he did nothing in the preseason. Will he shake off the rust and bust out in the regular season? I don’t know. Will the defense fall from number one to nothing like we all expected in the first place? I don’t know. It’s a really weird situation, and I don’t know what to expect.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 6, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm tired of playing Minnesota on the road
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
true
as many times as the Giants go to Minn in the past 3 years… the panthers come to NY.
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 6, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
There are more variables involved
What about scheme?
You can use guys in different ways to generate the mismatches on the line that you need to spring someone.
That’s a basic tenet of the zone blitz. Which is a bit of a misnomer, because it’s not necessarily about 5 or more guys coming. It’s about creating blitz conditions so that someone gets a free or nearly free run at the QB.
So Mc Linval can be exactly as you see but still be a very effective member of the pass rush.
I'm tired of getting whooped by the Vikings.
Last 5 seasons we played the Vikings four times and lost. We need to end that streak this year.
Two players that are key for us to win.... Osi and Ahmad
If Osi doesn’t break contain, we can stop their ground game and let the pass rush take over…their Oline has been struggling a little. Stop DeAngelo/Stewart and we’re good to go.
If we can get the running game going with Ahmad/BJake, we can beat them with play action, though their run d looks formidable
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 6, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thinks for the info.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
They'll be without RT Jeff Otah
When Otah is healthy, he’s one of the best tackles in football. George Schwartz will be playing instead. Schwartz was on the line to end last season when the Panthers averaged 183 rushing yards against Minnesota, NYG, and NO. However, Minnesota was on a bad streak then, the Giants were….., and the Saints didn’t play anybody in the last game.
He’s solid but I’m sure that a healthy Tuck against a backup RT will make running on his side of the field very difficult.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Still looking for Tim Brown
I know he dropped some passes but somehow, like Ed, I wanted him to make it along with Cruz. Anyone hear about him? What do you know about Charles Scott?
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
My friend just texted me
saying we need to sign T. J. Houshmandzadeh…..i LOL’d.
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
concerned about rb
not sure I love the jints RB corps….. I lov bradshaw but is he capable of being an every down guy…. ? jacobs is whining.. i hope he cleans it up and plays
willie parker?
that would send jacobs into a tizzy
slow willie parker?
i’ll pass
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he used to be
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes, happens to the best of us...
even those of us who never were fast – with age and wear and tear!
I'm sure Jacobs wouldn't care
Parker sucks
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Webster, Ross, Dillard, and Wilkenson aren't practicing
O’hara, Blackburn, and Beckum have returned to practice.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
we're so thin at CB.
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, startin to scare me
hoping CB this year isn’t like safety last year. better try to grab a vet backup
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
shocker
ross and wilkenson ….i cant remember them being healthy
yes
that is not good….. gotta have the corners we have to go get a cb…. to fill in …experienced
Giants better go w a rb w theyre #1 next year.........
Damn would i have loved to nab Spiller. Kids gonna be a star.
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
i'm hoping for a stud linebacker myself
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i'd go w the LB too but dont count on it
Giants havent drafted a LB in the 1st rd in 26 years.
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
They would have this year if the right guy was available
I’m willing to bet if we don’t see a massive improvement then they look for a Sturdivant, Carter, Jones type guy next year.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
that right there could depend on Shawn Andrews
if he starts somewhere, they’ll ignore OL again in the first round. at least. Especially if thy really view him as an OT, since Petrus may be a starting OG soon enough.
From what I’ve seen just this weekend, there’s more then a few Sr. LB’s that have 1st and 2nd round potential, and more then a few are either MLB’s or have seen time across the LB spots (Sturdivant).
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i mean i'd love to have a cj spiller
but i don’t like using a #1 pick on a RB just cuz of how short a shelf life RBs have in the NFL
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
rather go with an OL
RB would be nice, but I think the RB situation’s gonna be fine. Unless we’re in position to draft a Spiller, I’d pass.
Especially if Beatty doesn’t pan out, it’d be nice to get a young immediate starter at any position on the OL.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i’d love to get a little younger on the OL…buncha old men out there
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the Sean Andrews p/u........
he’s gonna be a beast for us i think
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Center
It’d be good to pick up a center, don’t know how long Ohara will hold up.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i think Koets is slated us our backup center i think.............
yeah i agree, gotta p/u another center
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You can usually get a good center
after the first round
With hopefully Beatty
and I think Petrus has a future, they started getting at least OG opposite Snee (who’s still young’ish) found. I think Beatty could eventually be a starter at OT, never know tho.
OC is a spot where they can draft later on. I think O"hara while old, has at least 2 good years left. OC’s seem to last longer then other OL positions at an elite level, especially the ones as good as O’Hara.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
o'hara's doppelganger jeff saturday is still doing
it at a high level and he’s 2 years older
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no confidence in Jacobs anymore cuz of his runnig style which lends himself
to constantly being hurt, love B.Shaw and DJ isnt inspiring………….
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you crazy?
We’re going Linebacker or OT/OG, that would be stupid of us to go RB… I’m happy you have no input in our team decisions.
A stud gamechanging RB would be "stupid"?
a potential Adrian Peterson/Chris Johnson? Yeah ur right bro, nobody would want that.
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
But we have other needs.
Especially with out Linebacking corps, we have someone who is coming off an injury and who should be retiring starting for us. We have good Running Backs, and both of them can easily run for a 1,000 yards this season. Our offensive line has gotten weaker with age, we need a Tackle and a Guard.
Are you going to tell me drafting a RB to a team that has 2 starting RBs, is more important than a drafting an OLineman or LB?
Like I posted earlier, Giants have not drafted a LB in the 1st in over 26 years.....
dont see that trend changing…(although if it did I would be happy w/ that.) We have our potential long term replacement at OT in Beatty and a former por-bowler OG in Andrews who by the way is only 26 or 27 years old……..
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay
But the point of the matter is we need a LB or OL needs before we go RB. I like that you still believe Beatty is a starter, but potential sometimes never gets cemented. So if we have a chance of getting a guy who can help this team at OL or LB in the draft, we should go there before going RB.
And im jus giving my opinion..........dont come off like an asshole.
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
who's being an asshole?
That move is stupid, It’s like when people were saying how adding Vincent Jackson would be stupid.
That would be stupid
headcase alcoholic who’s missing three games right off the bat, and oh yeah have to give up picks AND sign to a huge contract. He also could hold back the development of Nicks or Manningham by taking PT? Yeah, that’s a guy I want on my team. Sometimes there are more important factors than pure talent.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a little hard for him
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
so shoring up the RBs who are all injury prone, with a stud RB
is stupid, but shoring up one of the strengths of the team, WR, with someone like VIncent Jackson by trading picks (so basically spending a 1st rounder on a WR) is a good idea? Great.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Injury Prone, Injury Prone, Injury Prone.
Everyone on a team is injury prone. You wouldn’t have to spend a 1st round pic for Vincent Jackson, and if you had too… then I wouldn’t bother.
You said getting a Game Changer like Vincent Jackson is dumb, and I’m saying shoring up one of the teams strength is dumb like you did.
I read somewhere that the Chargers were asking for a 2 and 3
still not worth it
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
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Someone said that the Chargers were desperately trying to trade him yesterday, so I suggested Mario and a 3rd nothing greater.
if they'd accept a low-ball offer that's fine
but being realistic about it, the Chargers would hang up the phone, re-dial then hang up again if that was the Giants offer.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
RB is not a team strength
WR is a team strength. So that’s not what I said.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
So Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs are no longer capable of rushing for 1,000 yards. I got ya, we have a subpar running game… I guess we should get one.
If that’s not what you’re saying then I disagree strongly, unless we go to FA to get our LB or OL need.
When they're healthy
yea.
Both have never been for a full season.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
WR next to DL is our DEEPEST position on the team.
Smith went to the pro bowl, Nicks is a star on the rise, Mario is a burner who jus needs to get his head in the game a bit more, Barden has all the physical tools and oh yeah we have Cruz and Calhoun. Why go get a V. Jackson by giving up picks and a huge contract? THAT would be stupid
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is Cruz and who is Barden?
LMAO, I love when people use potential as the basis of their argument.
that's Jerry Rice's number
naahhh, only a coincidence :)
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
Go to football reference and check the number of catches Giants 4th WR tends to get
Even check 2008 when plax went down,
On this team, check. The first 3, the others must be special teamers
RB are a dime a dozen
teams rarely use a #1 on a RB. Unless they have a good line a great back will quickly become average and vice versa. Giants fans don’t have to look any further Ward’s success and failures the last two seasons.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
The last 2 seasons there were 3 RB;s in round one
and 2008 there were 5 in round one. Teams will use a pick on a RB. And these past few years when you use a 1st rounder on a RB, he’s an actual impact player for your team.
Its actually more so if you have an excellent line, THEN you can get away with a e Derrick Ward type of back, or I guess you can lump Jacobs in there. There’s a lot of UDFA’s out there and late round picks that can be niche players for a year or 2.
But if you want an impact player at RB, like really any position, you gotta go get em in the 1st or 2nd round (for the most part).
It depends on what’s there for you in the draft. If there’s a better OL there, you get em and get an anonymous RB to run behind em, cuz it doesn’t matter.
But if you can’t get an elite OL, someone like Steven Jackson in the first round will make em look good.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Overall
teams have gotten away from drafting a RB with a #1. More and more teams are using their #1 on OL and DL. This past draft after Bradford four of the next 5 picks were linemen. Overall 9 defensive linemen and 6 offensive linemen were selected in the 1st round. That’s almost 1/2 the first round.
The life expectancy of a RD is relatively short. Teams are no longer interested in investing big $$$$ of RBs. Again, it’s no secret the success of a RB is determined by the effectiveness of his OL.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Hmmm.....
So you say there were three RBs taken. Frank points out that there were 9 defensive lineman and 6 offensive lineman. Based on that Frank says more teams are taking lineman than RBs, and you say the numbers don’t agree with him. Funny when I learned math 15 is greater than 3. Even if you want to break it down to just one side of the line or the other 6 is still greater than 3.
Funny that there's 4 defensive line positions
and 5 OL positions. So if you actually do the math (tough..I know) there’s more OL and DL to draft, then just a measly RB.
But maybe if knowing football was a requirement, we’d all be on the same page?
And this is where we are done
I could get into the fact that those OL and DL numbers you cite are off because DEs can be interchangeable as well as guard etc. But we’ve reached the pointless territory again. Why don’t you read Ed’s recent post and drop the arrogant snakiness.
On Scott from BGN
Scott, a fan favorite coming into camp, quickly fell down the depth chart due to an abysmal performance in training camp and was eventually designated as the backup to Leonard Weaver at fullback. While Scott had the potential to be a bruising runner, he just could not catch the football – something Andy Reid values highly in a running back.
Not a ringing endorsement.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
This IS Andy Reid tho
he doesn’t realize that when your OL averages 380lbs, it might not be a bad idea to have a bruising RB, even tho he may not be able to catch.
If the only knock on Scott is that he can’t catch, that’s actually a good thing for the Giants. I don’t think the Giants mind having one of those backs getting carries, they do have Jacobs on the roster and have won with him.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
it's Ok if he can't catch...
…neither can Hedgecock, but that doesn’t seem to stop Eli from sending about a dozen balls in his direction over the course of a season. Scott will fit right in.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 6, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
But we rarely throw to the RB soo...
As a short yardage skull cracker there could be some value here.
we better start throwing to Ahmad more ofter
he’s a 50 yard screen pass waiting to happen
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Not denying that a skull cracker might be good
But there must have been more to it. Also, when Tiki (a four letter word) was here, we threw more often. Jacobs and manos de piedra Hedgehog have not been the targets because they could not catch. AB1 will hopefully get more throws. But really, is this the guy we want? Not me at this point. Unless they are thinking that Hedgehog is not healthy.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
well we are only talking PS
and even if he does go active I’m not talking about him starting. If he was the complete package he wouldn’t be on waivers. As a guy who could be a third or fourth RB that comes in on short yardage to break some backs and gets trotted out on kickoff returns to plow a path I like Scott’s potnetial. That’s how we used Reuben Droughns. It was what Gartrell Johnson was supposed to be but he didn’t pan out.
Who cares about 50
He could catch 50 balls mainly between 6-9 yds, that is gold
2011 Draft
Before we worry about next year’s draft, let’s see how this season plays out, and what weaknesses appear. I’m not inclined to use a top pick on a running back, when so many good ones can be had cheaper. I’m leaning towards an LB, another CB, and then an OL. But that could change.
I would love if we could draft a 3 tech DT
because we don’t have any DT’s on the roster that can rush the passer
Maybe the guy from Miami
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Linval and Rocky?
Rocky was a pass rusher at Seattle, even at his size. Linval is young but he can be a pass rusher.
A lot of what determines whether a DT can be a pass rusher is how the defensive coordinator lines up the D-line. Jay Ratliff is an NT and he’s a pass rusher because of how Wade sets up his 3-4.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Linval is 1 tech only
It’s the skill set of the player, you need to be explosive and be able to use your hands well.
Rocky is …. not very good at all.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Linval wasn't that at ECU
I watched a lot of Linval and Jay Ross at ECU and Ross was the space eater and Linval was the the 3-technique. The guy was like Kevin Williams 2.0.
Pass rush: Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size, swallows up quarterbacks that lack great elusiveness. Straight-ahead runner, however with limited lateral quickness, will not break down to change direction in the backfield.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
being a 3 tech in college and in the pros is different.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh! didn't finish my thought
When i think of a 3 tech I think of someone like Sapp or Jay Ratliff. They play 1gap and are very fast for their size. Joseph is not that kind of a player and hasn’t been for the giants so far. Hes played 1 tech and has been a great run stopper but not someone who will be getting anywhere near the QB on a pass play.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You mention Jay Ratliff
Ratliff was a DE until his final season at Auburn. Now he’s an undersized, All-Pro, 3-tech NT.
Joseph’s career at ECU was mostly as a 3-tech. He and Ross alternated. He’s bigger than the prototypical under tackle but four preseason games isn’t enough to say that he can’t be a 1-gap player.
Ratliff played alongside Canty. Canty took up two blockers while Ratliff rushed the passer. Canty can do the same thing for the Giants alongside Linval.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
You really cannot compare Joseph to Ratliff
Completely different players.
Ratliff being a NT isn’t very important either. The important thing is that he plays 1 gap instead of the normal 2 gap that other 3-4 systems employ.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
I say that Linval can be a pass-rushing DT and that how Fewell uses him will dictate whether Linval can be a 1-gap player.
You say that it’s the skill set of the player that determines his ability to be a 1-gap player.
I say that Linval was a 1-gap all throughout college. Therefore, he’s shown that he does have the skill set.
You say that college and the pros are different. You say that Ratliff plays 1-gap and is fast for his size and based on 4 preseason games, you say that Joseph isn’t that.
I say that Ratliff wasn’t even a DT until his senior year in college. In fact, he was so unheralded coming out of Auburn that he was picked in the 7th round. He was seen as too small. However, the defensive scheme was tweaked for him in his 4th year and that’s when he became an All-Pro NT. Similarly, Joseph is bigger than most pass-rushing DTs but in the right scheme he can use his strength and speed as a 1-gap player.
You say that Ratliff and Joseph are completely different and Ratliff’s position doesn’t matter. What matters is the scheme that plays.
Huh? Is that what I said?
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
You don't seem to be connecting the dots
Joseph might have had the speed to play 3 tech in college but he is not quick enough to do it effectively in the NFL. Which is why Fewell has him playing 1 tech 2 gap.
Ratliff bulked up a lot to be able to man the middle for the cowboys. That is why hes playing NT now. He has speed and strength.
Joseph has strength but not speed which is why he has been so good stopping the run but hasn’t been anywhere near the QB.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's agree to disagree
I see a rookie who can become a 1-gap player. He did it in college and his combine time and lift numbers show that he’s physically able to do it.
Four preseason games in his rookie season aren’t enough to gauge what he can or cannot be. I don’t think Fewell even knows what he has in Joseph yet. It’s not like Joseph is a finished product and what we’ve seen is all there will ever be.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
OK
But I’m just saying, there aren’t any signs that he will be playing 1 gap in the near future.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Fred Robbins
played with the Giants I think.Went about 6"4 320 (probably bigger)…which is about the same size as Joseph.
1-Tech too.
I thought Greg Jones was the crown jewel of the LB class next year
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
rather have Sturdivant
Carter is a bit of a bonehead, and he seems more like a pass rusher then a true every down LB.
Sturdivant played all 3 LB spots and is a tackling machine. Him, Jones or Kelvin Sheppard from LSU are some nice options.
Makes it better since I doubt they’ll go in round one for a LB, but there should be plenty in round 2.
To be honest with you guys....I'm kinda surprised we haven't made more moves
I guess I was looking for JR to hit the waiver wire and pick up a TE. But I guess that could still be coming. I’m wondering who will be released should that be the case? possibly a healthy Aaron Ross puts a target on DJ Johnson’s back?
either way I can’t believe we’re actually gearing up for real football….it’s been a long time coming.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
According to MG Webster's injury is lingering:
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/09/corey_webster_aaron_ross_remai.html
I absolutely hate hearing that my man Cweb could be sidelined. What’s worse is that Bruce Johnson is playing like he forgot he has a year of NFL experience and DJ Johnson is a scary thought in man coverage
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
not liking this
Web, TT and Ross have all missed time in the preseason at CB. Could it be that all the ?’s about the team (RB, LB, pass rush)..the answer is none of the above?
Those 3 are all pretty good when healthy, but if they’re all gonna be out we’ll be in trouble like any team would. Damn.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
really not good when you consider the level that cweb was playing at
TT is going to have to step up big time and hope that the Safeties can help out the Johnson boys.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Sounding like
We are really going to need the pass rush to step up this year. You don’t need cornerbacks if the other teams QB is on his ass, tight?.
you mean...
TT is going to have to step up big time
…step up and make big plays?
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 6, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Giant fan in south Jersey
I have been a Giants fan since I began watching football as a 7 year old, 46 years ago. I was born and raised in the Adirondacks, and lived in New York state most of my life. Unfortunately, I now live in southern New Jersey, less than 1 mile from the Eagles stadium. Talk about hell on earth! I can hear the noise from the stadium during most games. in my opinion, having been to other games in other stadiums around the country, Eagles fans are the most obnoxious in the world. My first goal every year, even before winning the division or the Super Bowl, is to beat the Eagles in both games. By the way, Eagle’s fans are paranoid and bitter about the fact that every team in the NFC East has won multiple Super Bowls, and they haven’t even won one. They won’t admit it, but they have an inferiority complex about everything New York, the center of the universe, just 90 miles up the road from them.
I have seen the Giants play in a lot of different stadiums around the league
But the only place where I was actually concerned for my safety (and I don’t mean the one on the field) was Philadelphia. It’s a great city as a tourist, but the fans in the stadium are out of control. In the Meadowlands, we are courteous and welcoming to the opposing teams fans. The Philadelphia stadium is like being in lock-up overnight with a bunch of muggers.
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 6, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN
On the Giants’ page at espn.com there is an article about how the Giants are getting sued. It turns out that it wasn’t even a Giants game but because they owned the stadium that the Jets played at they were liable.
A female Patriots fan at a Jets/Patriots game at Giants Stadium was assaulted by Jets fans and ended up with some pretty bad back injuries.
Goes to show, there are idiots in every city.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 6, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Those friggen idiots
The jets are embarrassing NY. lol
Yeah, Philly sucks
I went to the ass whoppin in NO last year and it was nothing. I wear Giants gear almost exclusively down here in Fort Worth and Dallas and talk no end of trash about romo and jj and have never feard fo rmy life. But I’d never go near philly with Giants stuff on and I’m a former Marine.
by Big Blue in tx on Sep 6, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding the Oline....
the emergence of S. Andrews and Saturday’s performance by the entire Oline has got me feeling much better about going into the season.
I actually saw holes in the oline for Bradshaw and the other backs to run through vs. the Pats. At times I had to even rewind to make sure I wasn’t “seeing things”….but good show by those guys. Even Koets up front.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Agreed
OL improvement was one of the positives along with the somewhat emergence of the LBs and continued DL improvement. The LBs had a few good plays esp Kehl and Goff. Still need more work tho’.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
the D is a continuous work in progress....
but hopefully we can get to a level or respectability fairly quickly.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
FB Tony Richardson was released by the Jets…I like Madison but Richardson is a better player. Any chance the Giants take a shot at him and/or Nathan Vasher?
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
I think the Giants are set w/ Hedgecock
he was hurt last year and is basically going all out this year to prove he’s still worthy….
so far I like what i’ve seen from him, he was blocking well vs the Pats and was a beast on special teams…I actually didn’t know he played out there, but he was out there and making plays.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Our running game is really going to come together this year
2 healthy RB’s (hope they stay this way) a healthy FB and some new tools ( Andrews) and more experienced tools on the OL. We need our playaction back
Richardson is a beast and has pass catching ability
Not saying to drop Hedge I just think grabbing Tony Rich would be a good look and makes the offense even more powerful at the POA.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
I think you are probably right....
but when I say “I think” it’s not really “me”….it’s what i think “they”…the Giants feel that way.
I for one would love to have a throw back Maurice Carthon who can lead block, catch the ball, AND run the ball.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Oh of course I understand that and you're probably right that
the Giants feel they are set with Hedge
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Yeah, but he sucks at catching passes
Jerome Johnson (I think) had some good catches this preseason and I was hoping he’d make the team instead. Another threat.
by Big Blue in tx on Sep 6, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Vasher would be nice
if CWebb (and Ross…and TT) are all gonna have lingering injuries, be nice to at least have a vet on the roster that’s played with Fewell before.
I think Hedge is just fine at FB. Richardson is very good, but so is Hedge when he’s healthy.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm on board for Vasher as a backup
he has experience with Fewell as well.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 6, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Vasher was coached by Fewell so I would be surprised if the Giants didn't take a shot with him
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Vasher also hasn't been healthy for a full season in five years now...
…I’ll pass. He’s a shell of his former self.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But we arent looking for an every down guy ive always liked vasher and cant count the times ive seen him throw that fist in there and knock a ball out of the recievers hands thats what hes good at and fewell and him know each other
by gianthawk34 on Sep 7, 2010 4:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if we didn't have Hedge,
who would do my favorite TD celebration of all time? The ROWBOAT!
"...we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. there is no such thing as death. life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
rowing it to Hawaii...
…let’s hope he can row his ass back there this year.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 6, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
housmanzadah
To the raven, they really trying to gear up
by omfGIANTS on Sep 6, 2010 11:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The AFC is looking tight
That wild card race is going to be filled with great teams.
More on Scott
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2010-Big-Board/Charles-Scott.html
Not that fast in the 40. Some positive stuff written. Still do not see it, hope I am wrong.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
Punchy McFistmaker was released by the Titans
for the record, I am NOT in favor of this kid. Yeah, the Boise St. player deserved to get cracked for mouthing off right after the game, but everyone forgets that Oregon was talking trash the entire week leading up to that game, and that Blount tried to go into the stands after fans. Not the kind of guy I want on this squad.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 6, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
I think he has mental problems.
No offense, but I seen people like him, and he’s the type that goes crazy when he gets mad. These type of players get labeled as immature by the NFL.
Every team runs their mouths before big games the boise boy ran his afterwards not only that but he grabbed blount so he could do it and i bet his jaw regretts it even the anouncers faulted the boise kid for it and yeah the fan thing was bad but have u ever been in a fight and had people talkin smack to u afterwards u go into a rage and he did everything asked of him and then some to be able to come back and play plus the kid was projected in the first three rounds before that all i know is if i just lost a big game and someone grabbed me to talk smack id lay them out to and so would 85% of people
by gianthawk34 on Sep 7, 2010 4:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow man
Really? Thats the most uncalled for thing ive ever heard forgive me for having an opinion about a young kid that showed promise yet i guess is hated for one mistake so now i should be an iggles fan and im a douche? Hell we still have people that want plax back cause hell all he did was shot himself with an illegal firearm but ive never heard them be told to be an iggles fan and they are douches grow up man im a giant fan thru and thru
by gianthawk34 on Sep 7, 2010 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually I don't want a guy that flies into a rage
he obviously has trouble controlling it. You noticed that nobody else on his team, all of whom I’m sure were feeling just as bad aboutt he loss, went swinging after another person. I agreed that the Boise St. player deserved it, and if that was the end of it then I wouldn’t think twice about it. But going into the stands puts you in the Ron Artest category of crazy, and I don’t want that anywhere near my team.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 7, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
true
But noone else on the team got singled out like he did when he was walking off the feild the guy grabbed him to run his mouth but yeah goin into the stands was bad i cant defend that but u have to admit the kid did what it took to be forgiven thats why he played at the end of the year instead of bein done for the season like he should have been but is that really a reason for me to be an iggles fan and does that really make me a douche
by gianthawk34 on Sep 7, 2010 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not at all
I don’t know where that comment came from. I think that he got singled out because he ran his mouth so much the week before. Forgiveness is fine, but to me the possible reward wouldn’t equal the risk. Please don’t take this next point as a personal attack, but I would like to just point out that using punctuation makes it alot easier to read and understand your posts.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Supposedly TC says Reynaud is going to be a WR for us...
and not a running back, as well as a special teams player, which leaves us with Jacobs, Bradshaw, Ware and now Scott on PS. We appear a bit light on bodies!
Bottom line is we NEED and upgrade at RB!
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
I feel better about TE with Pascoe back on the PS....
and we have numbers at LB, and management must think there’s enough talent there (we’ll see), so I’m more concerned about the lack of depth at RB and the injuries at CB than problems at the other two positons.
yeah you right....
Thank god Bear made the PS, I also think Goff played well enough in Pre season for me not to feel hopeless for this season at that position. If Bullick and Boley stay healthy we will be solid and at SAM and Wil too..
We need to upgrade RB? Why? As long as they stay healthy our RB’s are quite fine and last year proved that AB can perform injured or not.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
AB isn't an every down back though...
and Jacobs seems to get dinged every game once or twice, and Ware hasn’t been Mr. Durability either. There’s no problem if everyone is healthy, but with those three, it’s been rare.
Can’t say that I feel like the injuries that happened last year will happen again.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Hopefully they won't....
but I think in light of the past “bad luck” it seems to be pushing fate to cut a RB position from the roster and to have only one guy, new today, and from outside the organisation who has been traded or cut twice in the last few months as the only backup. I’m not saying we need someone to vault in over the guys we have, but I think we’re thin in the “insurance policy” area…..just in case “bad luck” knocks again.
I with you...
I just feel like you have to wait for that injury to happen and until then you go with your guys.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Jacobs
I actually think Jacobs looked very quick out there in the few snaps he took. Saw him jump on the outside with quickness. He actually caught a few balls too. I think the Giants are going to start AB, then use BJ more in the later part of the game, when teams are a little warn down. I am excited about our RB’s. We do have the 3 headed monster back is DW can stay healthy.
BJ late makes sense
Seems like the Giants did it backwards in the past, starting with Jacobs and then switching to Bradshaw late. Better if defenses have to chase Bradshaw for 2 or 3 quarters, then let Jacobs pound them into submission while they’re sucking wind. Of course it wouldn’t be that cut and dried, but it seems like a good philosophy.
But see
Jacobs didn’t do Jack early in the games last year so we NEED to just switch it up just to see what happens, and honestly just put the best back out there……at the end of the day thats what really matters
You have to gameplan for the team you are playing.
For instance, when we play the colts I expect to see alot of Jacobs because of thier lack of size on defense. against the 3-4 teams that we played this preseason I thought that Bradshaw did a better job.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't need an every down back
in this NFL—more passing and two or three backs that contribute is how to win. We do need bodies, agreed.
I dunno..
do they have that bad of luck that the top 3 RB"s get hurt again?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so 2 years in a row?
Mr. Glass doesn’t even have that bad of luck.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
True, not a great luck streak...
but if you get in a fender bender two years in a row, I wouldn’t cancel the auto insurance for the third year just based on the previous two years results.
Boss or a lineman at the moment....
But depending on moves and injuries, Pascoe is probably warming up in the bullpen if needed.
Is anyone upset about...
How many coaches are lobbying for the Giants head coaching job?
How is Tom Coughlin supposed to sleep at night knowing that SB winning coaches are trying to take his job. Bill Cowher wants to coach the Giants, and I think Jon Gruden didn’t accept that College Coaching Job, because he’s waiting for the Giants to fire Coughlin. All last season he was kissing Eli’s ass, now he’s saying that he believes the Giants are a 12 win team. That’s very flattering, but I have a hard time believing that(as of right now).
TC can sleep easy...
All he has to do is keep winning and he’ll coach here as long as he wants. However, if we have a repeat of last year, things may change.
Although........
If TC was to retire……..Jon Gruden would be interesting……I like his energy………even though he inherited the Bucs wit that defense, so to me he really didn’t show much
I like him better than Cowher.
Plus we won’t have to change to a 3-4 and Gruden knows how to coach a tampa 2.
Gruden is an offensive coach
The bucs already had the Tampa 2 when he got there, he just kept the DC and system. Gruden is a west coast master mind. I do agree that I like him and his energy. His players always liked him as well. Tampa had some bad personnel decisions that I feel hindered their success more than Gruden did.
Maybe he'll keep Fewell
And give Fewell more control of the Defense. I wonder if Tony Dungy would like to Coach us, I like him more than Gruden.
Dungy seems happy mentoring
Depending on how the defense does this year Fewell might be next in line for the Head Coach job
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 6, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wanted Spags to be our HC.
damn, the Rams are lucky. Fewell looked nervous as hell during those preseason games lol, but I think he’ll be a good coach. If he becomes an excellent coach… then lets give him the job.
I think Fewell would get it
If he does right by our Defense this year, he might get the throne. He does have some head coach experince.
by Big Blue in tx on Sep 6, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me on this
…from upstate around Buffalo area, so its Bills 24-7. Ugh!
Fewell is a great def coach. Just look at the ‘talent’ Buffalo has/had and the results with an anemic offense and be amazed.
Def will be very strong this year but about one year away from being AWESOME.
Next year is TC's last year anyways
Good chance he retires after this year anyways. More likely if we do bad, but good possibility either way. Often teams don’t like to have a coach in the last year of the contract. They either extend or move.
I think he wants to coach some more.
But if the Giants let him go… I don’t think he would coach again.
giants are not a 12 win team..........im sorry.
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, that was just in reponse to Gruden thinking so
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect at the least 9-7
I just don’t really know how this team looks to make bold predictions. We have a tough schedule too, but if we can dominate the Cowboys like we did last season… look for us to sweep the division. And a 11 win season will be more realistic.
At the very least.
Meaning if everything goes bad, we would go 9-7. Still having a winning season, if we get the Jets luck… we can make the playoffs.
I don't think thats a bold prediction though....
See us sweeping the Redsking, winning one of two from either the cowgirls or the eagles and prob getting swept by the other by either one……and of course winning the games that we are SUPPOSED to win
You see us getting swept by a team in our division?
If what you said were to happen, we wouldn’t win 11 games. You see us going 3-3 in the division, and mind you we play: Vikings, Colts, Texans & Packers. All four of those games can go for a loss, and then we would be, at best, 9-7.
I don't see the Eagles or Redskins beating us.
And I don’t see the Cowboys sweeping us.
im trying to be realistic here.........10-6
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Banks
Speaking of stuff other than the roster, I liked Banks commentary. Not that colorful but he knows FB (obvious) and is candid. When someone goofs, he says it. Good insight. Unlike Jim McKay saying “Oh My” on every play. Many bad commentators out there (are you listening ESPN??). I like Banks.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Gee
I wonder if all those guys smell blood in the water?
If TC could find a trainer that kept everyone on the field and playing instead of on the stationary bikes and in the jacuzzi he would win and he would be secure.
If he does not beat last years’s woeful performance then he will be at risk – and all these guys know it!
Lemee see ….Jon Gruden…Super Bowl winner….NYC media market…..Yeah. He is interested.
Yup
I don’t see how a team gives it their all, when a coach is already half way out of the door. Plus Coughlin isn’t even a player friendly coach.
is anybody else out there so happy that we didnt get Haynesworth last year
what a fat slob!
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
lol
But I also think Mike is trying to make him look worst than he really is.
i dont know if thats posssible..........all that money hes getting
hes made himself look real bad
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah...
I can’t defend him since he’s making all that money, there’s nothing Shannahan could do that would make him look any worse.
Who is third WR?
Barden or Manningham? Given our trouble in the red zone last year, I would at least like to see Barden get a shot at some jump balls in the endzone regardless of where he is on the depth chart.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 6, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How can you even ask this question?
What has Barden done to move up to 3rd on the depth chart?
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Heck
I wouldn’t be shocked to see Cruz stealing some of those snaps. Ham and Barden both looked bad this preseason.
Manningham had 3 targets in two games
What has he done that made him look bad.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
He seemed to always run the wrong route when Bomar was QBing
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean, Bomar threw bad passes
Bomar misread the coverage on one pass. Manningham saw that it was zone and sat in an empty spot. Bomar threw it as if Manningham was supposed to keep running into the zone. It tipped off of his hands and led to an INT. Banks could see that it was a bad play on Bomar’s part.
On another throw, a curl route near the sidelines, Bomar let the ball sail out of bounds. It wasn’t even close.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I agree with you....MM just didn't get a lot of reps
and neither did barden b/c he has the stress fracture….
the fact is they didn’t get a lot of targets I’m not going to chalk that up to either of them having a bad pre season. That passes that did go in MM direction were way off….maybe that is on MM but a couple of those passes from Bomar were just bad.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
call me crazy but I think that not only do they know what MM can do....
but also Barden. They really didn’t need to see Barden pull a “Cruz” this pre season…obviously it woulda been nice, but here’s a guy who spent a lot of time last year on the scout team. (Similar to MM in ’08) The team has said on multiple ocassions that Barden has shown just like MM did, that he can play.
and I still believe that Barden will be above Cruz on the depth chart. I expect if Barden is healthy to be playing and even see playing time week 1. Should he be inactive and Cruz is not….than you know what it is….Gilbride time.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Not getting targets
Can be because you are not getting open. It can also mean you aren’t doing enough to earn your QBs trust. One of the most impressive things about Cruz was Sorgi talking about him. The way Sorgi was talking him up it was obvious that he was doing right to earn trust in practices.
Trust
We’re not talking about Eli Manning here. Bomar and Sorgi don’t need to trust their WRs.
I’m not buying that Manningham couldn’t get open against 2nd string DBs. In fact, I saw him open on a few occasions.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
If a WR is doing his job in practice
he is going to be earning folks trust, and your backup QBs most certainly need to be able to trust the WRs on the team.
Watching the Jets game
one could definitely tell Sorgi had lots of trust in Cruz. They had very good chemistry.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
My understanding was...
that Barden had a better camp, although neither did nuch in preseason games. Seems like a reasonable question to me.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We will def see Barden play some meaningful downs this year and hopefully
a fade pattern into the back of the endzone for sure……………god knows we need all the help we can get inside the 20
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
seriously!
Hope we’re nowhere as bad in the red zone as last year!
We've been terrible
in the red zone under TC. The bottom 1/4 almost every year.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Shaping up to look a lot like 07
A few quick to get you thinking:
Everyone was counting us out while Cowboys were favorites to win it all..
Defense is in trans this year, much like 07 (remember how it all came together end of the 2nd game against the Redskins)..
Tuck is playing the Strahan role while JPP is playing the Tuck/Kiwi role.
We brought in vet backfield guys like McQuarter, etc. while this year we bring in ROlle and Grant..
A good mix of young and vet DL.
Nobody thought we had decent LB. We brought in mitchell, clarke, etc. as we have with KB.
2 headed RB monster is back, but only Ware is replacing Ward.
TE’s looked shady as it does now.
TC was on the hot seat, and the fans semm to think he is now when he really isn’t.
Looking a lot like 2007….sorry for the typos
Defense showed up game 3
They were ineffective vs DAL and GB
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 6, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected, it was the 3rd game at the Redskins I think where they stopped them on 4th and goal.
I expect us to have a rough time the first couple of games again while we are in transition defensively. I saw a lot of good and bad in the preseason and expect that bad to start to turn to good as we start to stop thinking and start reacting instinctively. The same issues we had with the middle wide open we will have again early on. Matt Moore will look ok against us, unless we can at least hit the QB this time around. I can see it now; the press will be ripping our D apart early on and then BAM! We start to turn it on. We should expect some bumps in the road early on as ANY new defensive team transitioning to a new scheme would.
Well
every year it seems like the Cowchips are the favorites in the division.
I think the year really depends on Andrews emerging on the OL and some real leadership in the secondary. We really miss that leadership we had in 07 and we haven’t had it since.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Did anyone see that Justin Jones guy yesterday?
He plays for East Carolina and made a ridiculous Hail Mary catch for the win yesterday. He’s 6ft 8 252lbs, and looks better than Braden already lol. too bad he’s only a RS freshman.
This is funny
The Giants tried to trade DE Dave Tollefson and LT Guy Whimper, according to someone informed of the team’s trade talks who requested anonymity because those discussions were to remain private. Obviously, they didn’t find a suitor.
Tollefson maybe get something but please, have some fun, who would we get for Whimper?
yeah MG broke that story (i think) on Saturday
would not be surprised if something still went down….
well not for whimper considering he’s been cut. But Dave could still be on the trade/chopping block.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
New Numbers
QB Sage Rosenfels (18), WR Victor Cruz (80), RB Darius Reynaud (15)
I like that Cruz got a real WR number
WR’s that get a number in the teens always piss me off.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
are you talking about anybody specific mclaren?.......lol
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just a general trend
Fitzgerald is 11. Jackson and Holmes are 10. Even our very own Steve Smith wears 12.
It’s just a little annoyance that I have.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
WRs should always be 80-89 but with numbers taken up by TEs and even the retired ones, guys will have them in the teens
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 6, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw this on roto
Giants C Shaun O’Hara revealed Monday that he’s dealing with “tendonosis” in his troublesome left Achilles’ tendon.
It’s different than tendinitis, and a threat to his status for Week 1. Rich Seubert and Adam Koets are the fall-back options at center, and both are downgrades in the run-blocking department. If O’Hara sits, Ahmad Bradshaw should still have plenty of success Sunday against Carolina, especially running to the outside. The Panthers project as one of the NFL’s weakest run defenses.
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
I thought the panthers had one of the best defenses in the preseason?
I could see a very low scoring game personally.
They don’t have good tight ends
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think you're pretty wrong there.
Carolina had the number one preseason defense in total yards given up, and the number seven preseason rush defense. However, they had the number two rush defense before the last game when the backups played for most of it. Running to the outside would be a big mistake, ‘cause their defense is based on speed and swarming the ball carrier. The best thing to do is run straight and hope a hole opens up. However, with the way the line was keeping to their gap assignments in the preseason, I wouldn’t count on it.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that if our OL can keep their blocks
Eli could throw the ball on that secondary. IMO that is our best chance at winning.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Carolina's secondary is routinely ranked high.
This year is no different. As good as the preseason rush defense has been, the secondary has been even better. They’re all fast, they’re all ball hawkers, they can all tackle, and Ron Meeks is a genius with defensive schemes.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The Giants WRs are pretty good too
Theres not much defense for good offense in the modern NFL
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
A good pass offense will usually beat a good secondary. The best way to nullify a good passing game is with pressure on the quarterback. Carolina had four more preseason sacks than any other team. So, you can read as much into that as you want, or not at all. All I know is that every defensive end on our 53-man roster had multiple sacks in the preseason. In fact, they had to cut a 5th guy who, in the preseason, had fifteen tackles, three sacks, and two forced fumbles just ’cause there was no room for him.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I'm not saying Eli will throw for 400 yards and make your defense look silly
But there will be plays out there to be made, and I think Eli will grab the chance when it shows itself.
Also our OT’s have played pretty well so far in the preseason.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this true?
Did they dump someone? If Chandler is signed, I am happier.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Aw man,
Thanks for clearing that up. I am disappointed.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 6, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom Rock reporting that JPP's locker has been moved so he's now next to Tuck
I hope to see the day when JPP and Tuck line up opposite one another and just cause absolute havoc on opposing QBs.
Not to metion it would make my JPP / Tuck autographed football that much more poignant.
Not for nothing but once those two guys signed my ball I put it away for safe keeping….Barden and even Kiwi came over and I was like “hey…how you guys doing….that’s great, keep it moving, nothing to sign here”….LMAO.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
You LMAO at your own atory
That’s funny…lmao
by Giants56 on Sep 6, 2010 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was reading some of the posts I missed
And noticed cweb was hurting. Anyone know if him and Ross are expected to play?
by Giants56 on Sep 6, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
cweb will be fine and Ross is expected to play sunday.............
but if one of those guys go down then the 2ndary is hurting
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 6, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Offense should look familiar...
Don’t know which running back starts, or if it matters much overall. Line (if healthy should be the same old, same old), you know the wideouts from last year and Boss at TE. Defensively….ummm……we’ll hope to know before they go out there!
I think these will be the guys that start against Carolina
QB Eli Manning
RB Ahmad Bradshaw
FB Madison Hedgecock
WR Steve Smith
WR Hakeem Nicks
LT David Dielh
LG Rich Seubert
C Shaun OHara
RG Chris Snee
RT Kareem McKenzie
TE Kevin Boss
RE Justin Tuck
DT Chris Canty
DT Barry Cofield
LE Matthias Kiwanuka
OLB Michael Boley
MLB Jonathan Goff
OLB Keith Bulluck
CB Corey Webster
CB Terrell Thomas
SS Kenny Phillips
FS Antrel Rolle
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The latest talk seems to be that Diehl would start...
but O’Hara is now somewhat questionable. Phillips who knows, Osi vs. Kiwi who knows, I think it’s early (especiallly defensively to know who starts, though who will see action is a lot easier to guess. mclaren’s list is a decent guess all around, but nothing is in cement at the moment.
your right
i would be really surprised if o’hara got the start. beatty will start, just not sure which position
Phillips looked good in the last preseason game when he got extended reps but there is a chance that Grant could get the start too.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard O'Hara availability is up in the air
Because of the Achilles tendonosis. And I think Osi starts.
by Giants56 on Sep 6, 2010 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kenny Phillips
hope he comes back as a starter sooner then later but I think week 1, he may be the 3rd safety on passing downs. Hope I am wrong because, thank the lord…… Superman is back.
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 6, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Charles Scott - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE
Just watched our new PS RB highlight video – seems like a solid backup for Jacobs. Lets hope this guys can develop into a short yard dozer that moves the pile forward on those 4th and 1 / goaline situations. I lke Jacobs, but he kills us when the line is stacked. This guys really shoots the gap and has decent open field speed. He aint going to out run all corners/safety players, but he is decent and def gets through the line quickly.
Still more used to you as Bye D....
What were your thoughts on him?
Andy doesn't know a power back if it smacked him in the face
so wouldn’t go by anything he did with the Eagles.
That said..Scott probably never plays a down.
Key word - develop
I don’t anticipate he plays at all unless we see some injured backs. Ware isn’t exactly reliable nor is Jacobs or Ab for that matter over an entire season, so if we stay healthy, i dont expect him to dress one game. But given the track record of some ofour RB’s, don’t be surprised. Lets see how he does on teh PS for a while and then decide if he is any good. The eagles are useless for getting a gauge on whether a RB can play or not. They throw 65% of the time and like smaller, quick TB’s where we like a mix of both. Once again, I hope he never gets a chance to play because if he does, our starters are banged up.
The URL contained a malformed video ID.
So couldn’t get to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE
I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.
Thanks, MUCH better, and did get to see it...
He’s going to have to get used to the fact that NFL defenses aren’t going to do so much arm tackling though. Didn’t see much of him as a receiver, which could be part of why he didn’t fit in Philly, and he’s not gonna out run secondaries, but we’ll see if he develops into a churn and earn runner.
who's your least favorite giants player?
everyone on this post loves the giants, but can’t help not liking 1 if not more of the players on the team. i have a guess at who it is but i’m curious. Who is it?
Sorry, can't help you on this one...
I’ve been a Mets fan for 48 years and after putting up with Ollie Perez, Green and Castillo over the last couple years, there’s nobody on the Giants that warrents getting worked up about.
John Maine, Jason Bay, Victor Zambrano....
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 6, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
as a yankee fan
I gotta defend Jason Bay. Give him another year, he still is a good hitter
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree, Bay if more just frustrating this year...
but when he did play, while he lost his power, he hustled, played decent defense (better than we were led to expect) and oddly became a good high percentage basestealer, which was a shock.
You don't know Bo v. Beckum/Ware
When I hear of people talking about what a healthy Ware or Beckum could do, I think of Bo Jackson. Bo was one of the MOST talented multisport athletes ever. Bo reportedly ran a time of 4.13/40 yard at the combine. Won the Heisman.
For the young guys here, read his story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Jackson
He starred in some advertisements where the theme was “you don’t know Bo”. Very funny.
Had Bo stayed healthy, he might have been the best running back ever. However, he did not stay healthy sad to say, he was great to watch. You routed (sp?) for him even if he was on the other team. Everyone liked him.
I hope this does not happen to Beckum and Ware, nothing personal. But holding roster spots open for these guys is a bad bet, one which we may likely lose. Better to have talented people who are durable, we are not talent/healthy rich at their spots to the point where we have “throw away” places.
I will eat crow if proven wrong, hope I have to do that. But don’t bet on it.
I guess the consenus in Vegas is that we have vastly upgraded
Giants open in betting over the Panthers as 7 point favorites. Personally, I am flabbergasted. But those guys are usually pretty good judges. Encouraging. Most encouraging is that at 40+ over/under, the Panthers would be held to 17 points. Could be 250 yards on the ground but only 17 points I guess, but I thought we would go in at 3 points or less.
Do you think on passing downs...
We will see Justin Tuck at DT a lot? Or even have 4 DEs(JPP, JT, Kiwi & Osi) on the line?
That’s almost like bringing a blitz.
Can’t wait for our game on Sunday, we should win that game… because there’s a big chance of us losing next week.
And I also want to see if the Redskins and Cowboys are all hype or not.
Redskins are never as good as everyone hypes them up
if they win 7 games, its a great season. It’s between the Gmen and Cowboys for division
injuries
I don’t understand what it is about the Giants every year we have a bunch of injuries. Why is this, training,facilities, or we draft soft players. All of these guys were healty for the most part. Im an NY Badger and Beckum is beasty if he can healthy. IBut we need our secondary healthy if were gonna be a domiant d
Man these open threads are something else...but the more I think about it, there really is no doubt that we add a TE
We can’t go on this way…a week….maybe. At this point I’m just wondering how….
do we hit the waiver wire?
do we trade tollefson?
do we trade someone else?
do we bring Bear up?
Either way I see someone joining the roster….so that brings another question….who gets cut? Would that depend on Ross’ health? (i.e. DJJ) Sounds like Calhoun’s spot is set. So who goes???
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
our weakest links are...
DJ Johnson, Michael Johnson in that order…
so we can still sign someone outright and let one of them go…but if it was Michael Johnson, it would most likely have to be replaced by a Safety
Trade possibilities…can happen if they want Tolly, Wilkerson, Kehl – but it would be merely swapping people from the bottom of the food chain from both teams involved…but it could mean that extra TE we are looking for unless, we def. bring Bear up on the first sign of an opening on the roster…he’s the first 1 to come up IMO, unless we really need to bring someone up in another position of need (QB, Safety are the only 2 to come to mind).
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
I also wonder
if somehow cutting hagan was a message to special teams…or maybe a sign of things to come? We all thought DH was a pretty good STer in fact Ed dedicated an entire post to him one day….it was actually an outpouring of love for the guy in the comments section.
either way….was he just grossly overrated or was there something else to this? Kinda like Wauffle getting wacked? Will TC shake things up a bit and put better players out there or are we to expect that we can plug Duke Calhoun in and everything gets better? Will JPP play out there? Linval? Seems like we’ve been doing a lot of experimenting everywhere (offense, defense, ST)…who the heck even plays on Specials come week 1?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
prob. Duke just outplayed Hagan on ST
and has a tremendous upside on WR whereas Hagan can’t get any better…but he was a nice player…unfortunately he fell from the numbers game
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
The Rams should sign Hagan
I’m sure he can be an improvement over their WRs
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Spags does...
I was hoping they would pick up people that didn’t make it to PS, like Andre Brown..
any word on Alford?
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
I don't see our guys not winning the division..
If the ‘glue’ dries on defense we could go deep into the playoffs
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Gartrell Johnson
is it just me, or did he look pretty good out there when he was on the field? Why didn’t they at least keep him on the practice squad? If Jacobs/Brdshaw/Ware get banged up, at least this guy can find holes and make people miss tackles! I wish they’d kept him, and sent one of the linebacker Johnsons (Bruce and DJ both suck) to the showers, for good. I hope Sintim gets some snaps before either of those bums….
by Remember Phil Simms on Sep 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
Gartrell has played in too many games in the NFL
to be eligible for the practice squad.
BTW the “Johnsons” are cornerbacks, not linebackers.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 7, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected.
But they still suck.
And Gartrell deserves to land with another NFL team.
by Remember Phil Simms on Sep 7, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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