Sunday Open Thread: More Moves Coming?
by Ed Valentine on Sep 5, 2010 9:29 AM EDT
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PrintUse this as an Open Thread for the day to discuss any waiver claims the Giants make today, or players they begin adding to the Practice Squad.
Practice squad eligible players have to clear waivers first. There are also limits on how much NFL experience a player can have and how long he can remain on a practice squad. So, a guy like Jay Alford cannot be placed on the PS even if he goes unclaimed.
By the way, any players cut by NFL teams really interest you? Veteran center Justin Hartwig? Former Pro Bowl corner Dre' Bly?
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I heard on Sirius NFL
The Steelers dumped their C for Pouncey to take the job… anybody know anything about that guy? I’d LOVE to see the Giants improve the backup C position.
btw, I’ve always talked up Sirius NFL but they screwed the pooch on this one… the Rosenfels things came up and:
1. They didn’t mention Reynaud. At all.
2. They didn’t say what the Giants gave up for him
3. They didn’t say what Sage’s chances are if he has to fill in, of winning.
So wtf DID they tlk about?
The drama in Minny, and the shit-talking that goes on at football teams. Way to play the news as a soap opera, morons… I am on vacation and had to borrow a laptop to get the real scoop on BBV… Seriously I had started to take for granted how much better this site is for NYG news than any other source.
In. The. World. Period.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 5, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You mean Pouncey?
The best center in the draft, played for Florida, and Hartwig (the guy he replaced) would be too expensive as a backup here. I would think Hartwig wants to find team with a “glaring” need at center, at his age, doesn’t want to be a backup.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you remember in the pre-season
how the Steelers 2nd string O-line seemed to push around the interior of your D-line? That was Pouncey. The kid is very good.
I think Hartwig could be considered average at best. He may be an improvement from some team with a real issue at starting center but I doubt he will be a back-up unless he is desperate for a job.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 5, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that was BS
he shouldn’t have been doing that to Joseph
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He held his own
against Jamal Williams in the game against Denver. The kid is a baller.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 6, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Sirius NFL ...
Sirius NFL was also the station where I heard that the Redskins would go 13-3 this season, and potentially win a Super Bowl.
If there's one thing I've learned in this preseason
Is that experts honestly and truly don’t know jack.
i dont care about jay alford
can we really go out and get vincent jackson please the last time we had a 6’5 beast we won the superbowl and went 12-0 to start the year since we have been very stagnent on offense at times and vincent is a faster version of plax we could have or own Patriots thing with steve smith in the slot nicks and jax why is peyton so good he had reggie wayne marvin harrison and clark along with some really good backs surround eli with that type of talent and ditch the run game let eli go ape S**t …. PLEASE JERRY PLEASE
Vincet Jackson is a WR
so, he’s not going to upgrade the Giants.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
We are already loaded for Bear, and not Pascoe
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
While I don't think we should do it
Vincent Jackson has height and force double teams. He would improve our squad. …but it’s just another Plaxico issue whoever takes him.
I don’t think Plaxico knows how bad he has made it for any WR with a behavior issue.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Barden is expected to be a big contributor to the offense this year. Keep in mind that the only real action we saw him in was against the Jets and I realize he didn’t look stellar but he was trying to play through the pain of a broken transverse process (bone in your back). I would love to see VJ here instead of Manningham but that is unrealistic in my opinion. Overall, I think WR is one of the places we are strongest and I would much rather see us fill other holes.
by BigBlueBallin on Sep 5, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Keyword "expected"
We have been “expecting” contributions from Barden for the past two seasons and he still has not really come in to his own. Besides isn’t he injured?
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My bad. 1 year.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
basically makes that statement irrelevant,
WR typically take 3years before development. THis is Barden’s second season.
Cool thy jets.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Thy Jets WERE cooled...
In the first preseason game!
This sets the stage for a DJ Ware type debate.
Barden hasn’t played enough to even develop. When he does play, his performance is nothing to get excited about and now, if my memory serves me correctly, he is injured and we won’t see him for a while (if ever) this season.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Conceded.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
never seen that before
normally someone would continue to argue lol
Point noted, but this is somewhat of an exceptional site...
and actually allows intellegent exchanges and points to be made. Too bad it’s that makes it so “different”.
Yeah, I come here to both to prove and learn.
As long as the point that is made is a sensible one, I have no problem giving credit where credit is due.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
that shows the character of a true man
to know when his point is moot, and to accept it like a man, and not continue to argue and get his Francesa on.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
LMAO
But that’s the reason why I love Francesa
I don't see that at all
They gave up a 7th round pick for Crayton. They still have Gates and other options. Ryan Matthews looks like a stud.
You weren’t trading Manningham straight up for Jackson. What would you have given up besides Manningham?
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
FOR ALL forget Vincent Jax
Giants have excellent cheap WRS
They’d love the talent but not the price
here's a quote on V Jax
“At first, one NFC general manager told me, they asked for first- and third-round draft picks as compensation, but when that didn’t fly they lowered their demands. In the end, he said, the price dropped so much so that, by the close of business Saturday, “they’d taken almost anything.”
My bad, we could V Jax w/o having to give up MM
We would definitely be a differen't team with him
More Explosive, and probably the hands down division winners. I hope we try to get him, at the most I would give up a 3rd and Mario Manningham.
And he is suspended
To start the season. Not to mention he wants a huge contract. And it’s probably already our deepest position besides DE
by Giants56 on Sep 5, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ditching the Run....
is not Giants football. this logic does not compute.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
ummm....no!
I live in San Diego. We do not want Jackson for the Giants.
1. He has a suspension to serve still
2. He has had 2 DUIs already, and that is in sleepy San Diego. What will he do in NY?
3. Remember he playoff game were he kicked the flag? He also drove his car to the stadium on his suspended license that morning. A police officer pulled him over and had his car impounded. This is what you do on the morning of one of the most important games in your teams history?
This guy is a bonehead and would be worse the Plaxico.
Slaughterhouse....
We do not need a Vincent Jackson.You will not see this team go spend big money on a position that they do not need at all.So you can wake up now.Really im looking for the Giants to maybe grab a vet corner like Bly or Vasher.I know they arent what they were but they are better than our 5th corner spot.Im also thinking a blocking tightend since that was the only move I really had a hard time with.We can only hope the Giants have something in mind since they cut the only blocking tightend on the team.Really that is all though other than some practice squad guys.Dont expect Bomar,Brown and Johnson to clear waivers.
Agreed
I don’t understand what they did at TE unless they have their eye on someone else, and I think corner has to be the priority. Ross is unreliable and so is the depth.
The other thing I don’t quite understand is how Wilkinson keeps making this team. Perhaps he’s the first guy to get cut if they pick up a TE or corner.
wilkinson surprisingly looked good this preseason
before…….he um……got hurt again…………………
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Agreed
the guy wants 20 mil guaranteed and he can’t make it to a game on time. …and it was the playoffs.
The problem is the SD GM has a major ego and takes things personally. AJ needs to understand he’ll need to let this guy go for a 1st and 3rd. It doesn’t make since – they won’t pay him like a premier WR but they want the picks in a trade for a premier WR.
I’m actually glad he’s doing it so Wash can’t get him.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
+1 cj...........blocking TE, corner, and maybe some more depth on the OL
why go out and spend a truckload of cash on a WR when we are deep at that position already? People really need to make intelligent comments out here or dont make any at all.
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 5, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
+2
so many areas of the team need help and people keep brining up “tall WR, get double teamed”. Priority #1… get the defence back to Top 10 form. And down the long list… Priority #75… get a tall wideout for double teaming to open up running game.
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 5, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bigblueballin
Yea obviously the jury is still out on Barden and VJ is better than Manningham.But 1 like you said it just wont happen lol and 2 we already have 2 number 1 wideouts in Smith and Nicks.Just not enough balls to go around to 3 of them especially when Jackson has an ego.
JR and TC are on the hot seat.
These cuts tell me they think they are fired if they don’t make the playoffs. These are win now decisions, not long term.
Regime change
If it all goes to hades I could see the move for regime change which means Reese is as on the hook as Coughlin.
Reese was hired way later than Coughlin
I don’t think why he should be on the hook. Some of his drafts haven’t panned out but we seem to pick up at least 1 or 2 solid contributors per draft which is still pretty good.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not a shot
Giants don’t change regimes like that. The HC might change, but def not the GM. And even the HC doesn’t change very often. Besides, for the life of me, I can’t understand why either would be on the hot seat. Is there some super hot up and coming coach that we want to bring in and change the entire philosophy of the team?
Agreed.....TC and JR are not going anywhere.......
TC’s bad move was promoting BS to DC last yr and u cant do much about injuries. Besides TC is one of the best coaches out there………………everyone needs to chill a bit. Giants have always had good management as opposed to other organizations
by giantsNYrangers on Sep 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
How many coaches out there could remake themselves like TC has. He went from being an old school autocrat to delegating authority and yet creating a team without egos? With the season the Giants had last year, you expect the kind of backbiting you saw with the eagles when they released McNabb, placing blame and point fingers. You didn’t see that. Why? Because TC is not only a good, thorough coach, but he’s a man of integrity. Politics will not get you on or off the field. Solid play is the deciding factor. Gamefilm tells the story. Period. When you have that, you create an atmosphere where team comes first. Many of us remember Osi’s meltdown a while ago. If you haven’t seen it already, please see his video clip from this year’s kickoff luncheon. These guys trust their coach to do the right thing. When he found he had the wrong guy at DC, he made the change. Some coaches out there would make excuses and try to defend themselves from criticism. TC did what had to be done while making everyone appropriate accountable including himself. When it came time for team cuts this year, TC talked candidly about the tougher decisions that had to be made and why. Gotta love this guy.
It's the kids running the show now
Past knowledge based on old man Mara and Tisch no longer applies. We don’t know how the kids will handle things. They might be more willing to make changes.
News flash
The kids have been running more of the show and have had more influence behind the scenes for a longer time than you think. The transition from Wellington wasn’t an abrupt one.
Cutting the backup QB
4th RB and 5th DT…are win now decisions? Excellent.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I was thinking the same.
Coughlin and JR are not playing and they do not seem to have a lot of patience with injury riddled players either. Many are surprised about certain players being out like Hagan, Alford (yes, Alford), Bear, Bomar and others being out. Although some of these players have the “potential” to develop in to some pretty good players, you an see that Tom and Reese are not prepared to go through this process which makes me excited because it shows exactly what you have asserted.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
so...
Sage Rosenfels (he of the 20+ Dave Tollefson, Danny Ware, DJ Johnson, Victor Cruz and Duke Calhoun are win now decisions that show they’re trying to win now?
They’re really trying to keep their job with Duke Calhoun on the roster.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
*Rosenfels-he of the 20+ point 4th Q choke resume.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not a fan of this trade. I would have liked to Giants to go after Lienart.
But I knew that was a pipe dream. I think Ware can help the Giants win another championship. I think Victor Cruz can as well. Yeah he is new but look at S. Holmes. I would have rather have had TC stay with Hagan over Calhoun so I won’t even try to argue in favor of Calhoun. Tellefson didn’t do enough to warrant any credit but thats just my opinion.
My comment was not based entirely on the players the Giants decided to go with. It was more or less based on the way in which players have been getting cut left and right. Players that we thought were much better than others and I would suspect that the fact that good players have been getting cut would send a message to the ones who did not that they are expect to come with their A game.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
they liked what Calhoun
was giving them on ST. and he showed the ability to fill a role in the recieving game if needed he could be a nice find for us.
Leinart?
1) He’s a petulant diva who gets in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons.
2) You can argue about what direction his career MIGHT have gone if Warner didn’t show up, but what did happen was that his attitude and play lost him an entire locker room and coaching staff to the point that no one trusted him to be the QB.
3) He has stated clearly he wants to be a starter, not going to be happy as Eli’s clipboard caddy.
4) They went with Derek freakin’ Anderson over him.
Why exactly would he be a good fit for this team?
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 5, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How did people not see that coming?
If I had an awesome O-Line, guys like LenDale and Reggie to hand off to, and superb college wideouts (like our own Steve Smith), I’d probably look pretty good to. Ok, maybe not me, but Sage would. lol
yeah,
those are win now decisions. Those guys aren’t starters. Those guys are specialty guys to help in specific areas. What guys would you have preferred that would have convinced you they have a win now mentality?
Did we
have to pick up that salary of Sage?
That is ridiculous
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
why
what difference does it make? there’s no salary cap this year, and ticket prices aren’t going down if we renegotiate his contract.
then why wouldn't
we pay some extra coin to get some DB help like Bly?
Rosenfels is a choker and wants to be a starter.
Bomar would have been content to sit for another 2-3 years behind Eli?
Is he going to teach Eli anything – no. Is he some wizard in the film room?
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
I dont know
it’s hard for me to argue who’s better for the team Bomar or Sage. I don’t think it matters either way. We’re dead if Eli goes down for more than 2-3 games. and as far as Bly is concerned. I think they believe our DBs are as good as any avail out there, and I’m not sure I disagree with that. I mean, can you really say for 100% certainty that Bly is better than TT? And also, what Back up QB is out there that’s gonna teach eli anything.
Bly isn't even close to TT
the question is if Bly is better than DJ Johnson
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't prefer anyone
cuz those aren’t win now decisions. If they were trying to win now, they’d go balls out into getting Darrele Revis, Albert Haynesworth and Vincent Jackson, or at least 2/3.
A backup QB who’s not gonna play, the decision on who to keep for 4th DT, and a couple of UDFA’s for WR are not win now decisions.
I dunno where this crap is coming from…how is any of this “win now”?
Agree with you
about Fat Albert and V Jax, but the Jets would NEVER, NEVER, EVER trade us Revis. We could offer our entire 2011 draft pix, ala Mike Ditka, and they’d still turn us down.
not the point tho...
the point is that’s a win now decision, not what they’ve been doing this offseason.
The Giants like every year under Reese are building the best team for the current while remaining young so they can compete in the future.
I only disagree
with the Bomar move.
I’d like to see him developed
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Not sure how you come to that conclusion
Keeping Sintim, Barden, Beckum, Cruz, Calhoun and drafting JPP don’t look like win now decisions to me, they look more like investments. The coaches and management just have a different opinion being up close and knowing all the details than we might. The 2009 draft was heavy on investment, the 2010 only slightly less. These guys have the confidence of the owners, and are trying to balance both now and later. Not an easy job. We the fans tend to concentrate more on next week. Until we find that lack of investment makes next week horrendous. But that would be in a year or two or three. Not a typical fan time horizon. But definitely a GM time horizon. At least the good ones.
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Explain this investment theory
Fans keep saying that everything is for the future. On what is that based? There is nothing that supports the picks being future investments.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
You better watch out
Saying “win now” is likely to get you brandished as an idiot.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Win NOW!!!
I want to win this year. And next year. And the year after that. Hell, just win, baby! It’s gotta be more than obvious I’m also a Yankees fan.
The seat is always hot in NY
Another disaster like last year and we’d be the ones calling for TC’s head more than the organization. But I don’t think that’s gonna be an issue. We’re gonna have another great year, make a run for it, and TC will have his job for another year. JR, on the other hand, isn’t going anywhere. I understand there’s some on here that don’t think as highly of him as others, but I don’t understand why. In Reese We Trust!
MSP and WIlba
You are really both wrong.These cuts were made because special teams look aweful in preseason and things needed to be changed.Neither are on the hot seat.If this season is like last than yea they will be on th ehot seat.But damn people it was one bad yr and it was 8-8 give it a rest.
U R missing the point
Longer term, Alford is a better choice than Bernard .
Brown (if they think he can recover from his injury) is a better choice than Ware.
Calhoun is a chip to be moved. I doubt he is a serious long term roster candidate.
I am just fine with these decisons – I want to win now too. But like cjraymz said – if this season is like last they will be on the hot seat. TC SHOULD BE! JR, I do not think so.
+1
Finally, someone with some sense. Enough with that absurdity that if you have a franchise QB, you’re never in a win now position.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
that's never been the point.
the point is the decisions they’ve made have nothing to do with “winning now” and they’re not a team going all in for this year.
They’re in contention every year. Win now. Win next year. Win the year after.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly the point you made
I can quote you, if you insist.
So what if you’re in contention? They were in contention last year before they were embarrassed by Carolina and Minnesota.
Do you really think that expectations of ownership don’t go up when they spend $70M+ in the off-season? They had the highest payroll in the NFL last year – by a wide margin. Don’t you think the team was hedging its bets that it would win a playoff game, at the very least?
When they failed horribly and the entire organization was embarrassed, and your owner says that an 8-8 season felt like 2-14 and that it better not be business as usual, there is an extra emphasis to win now.
Every year is not the same. The circumstances change; the expectations change; and the pressure changes.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
+1
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, if this team doesn’t have a good season, a lot of coaches will be looking for jobs next year.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Even though it rebuts my argument, I gotta agree.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You can go and find a quote
but I never said they ain’t built to win now.
They’re built to win now, and next year. This is NY, the Giants, not the Jets. The expectation is to win every year.
I dunno why its so hard to understand that win every year includes this year, but I really guess that it is.
Every year. Built to win. Young QB entering his prime. Young WR corps. Young DL. Young secondary.
Young team, all entering their prime. Win now. Win next year.
Coughlin may want to win now or else he’s on the hot seat. But the NY Giants are built to win now and next year, no matter who the coach is.
So -3
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget the new 1.6 Billion $ stadium
and all the left over PSL’s that did not sell!
They better hope so
cause the stadium seats are surely not sold out yet. Considering you can buy Giants season tickets packages on StubHub, straight up, no PSL costs. I’ve never seen that before? If I’m not mistaken there used to be a waiting list years long to get season ticks?
But also like a mortgage
That they have to keep paying even if there are no renters. Lockout means cash flow issues
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
PSLs and price hikes definitely liquidated the waiting list, and it screwed some oldtimers
But, it’s all good business. The goal is to have a small waiting list (maybe 10% of the total seats), otherwise it means you aren’t charging enough to maximize revenue
All those new luxury boxes aren’t even talked about.
And you can guarantee that more easier to use refreshment stations will boost sales
Naming rights still out there
And the mortgage is on50%.
Finally, lockout looks less likely every week. Heck players are already putting out sense they will go for 18 games.
So in this comment here you are pretty much saying what started this section of the thread all long.
TC and JR are making win now decisions. Whether certain fans are only looking at this year and others are looking at every year, in essence we are all saying the same thing.
Why would you label someone as an idiot because of their choice of focus of analysis. If they are in agreed with your vision then where is the misunderstanding?
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to argue or even say that I disagree but why?
Brown (if they think he can recover from his injury) is a better choice than Ware.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
One opinion
Ware has had chances in the pre-season and the regular season . Not a lot, but he has had chances to show what he’s got.
Brown has not had as many chances. Injured his rookie year. This year in pre-season he was OK.
IMO Brown has better talent than Ware. In 2011 or 2012 he could turn into a star. I think Ware has shown us all he has got. Not bad mind you, but no star in the making.
Brown? Maybe. Just maybe.
Understood.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ware has got his chances
and he blew all of them.
I think the Ware over Brown decision is the most confusing one from all the roster shuffling.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
blew all of them?
he dislocated his elbow week 1 and than fumbled a ball in Denver and wound up in Coughlin’s dog house.
The fact is, he hasnt’ shown anything in a regular season game….but Giants fans were clamoring over this kid after one of his pre season outings a few years back.
If any RB is going to know to where the blitz is coming from …. or make a simple block on a punt © Andre Brown….it’s DJ Ware. That is way IMO he made the team. Gartrell and Brown were not doing the “little things”
if Ware stays healthy I think he’ll do ok.
BTW, I wasn’t a fan of letting AB2 go….but I can see why it happened….kinda
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
exactly
he fumbled the ball as soon as he got a chance. The dislocated elbow was his fault as well, it is one of the first thing NFL players learn – to not brace yourself for a fall.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ware hasn't blown anything.
If that were the case then Ware would not even be on the team right now. Dudes got talent.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, In that game against Denver, he also sustained a concussion if my memory serves me correctly.
and if we are talking about the same game.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 5, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeap, think he did
Ware is very much like Ward. Ward came in 2004 from the Jets practice squad. Mostly SPs and not Until 2007 did he show he could be a number 2 back. In 2008 breakout year. Ware came in 2007 from the Titans/Jets practice squads. Mostly SPs now and by the Ward timetable, this could be his year to show us something.
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 5, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not purely talent
that decides thes moves. Team chemistry (Leinhart), payroll (Jackson) and personalities all come into play.
Giants cannot afford a malcontent. Not sure if Harwig would be happy being a backup. Or if Vasher would be motivated to play as a special teams guy.
I think Giants are still trying to trade Tollfson so they can maybe bring back Alford.
I am undecided if a blocking TE is needed if someone from the OL can do it on occasion.
Not trading Tolifson
They would not have let Alford if they wanted him back.He is good enough that he will be picked up by another team.Tolifson is excellent on special teams and Alford had nothing for them in those situations.That it why he was let go.
Alford
was our backup long-snapper. That’s pretty important. Who has that job now that Alford is gone?
by Martin Longman on Sep 5, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
backup long snapper
There is no team in the league that keeps a guy on the team because hes a backup long snapper.
James Harrison is the Steelers back up long snapper
Remember how well that worked for them in the ’08 season against us?
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 5, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams have been known to make chess moves
and bring someone back they have cut.
It is a matter of anticipating what other teams may do.
+1 Chess people!!! not checkers!
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
plus who ever was the backup long snapper last year
remember we didn’t have Alford then either
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Good old Darcy Johnson?
I really don’t see much TE talent out there
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
One thing you gotta say for Anthony Becht
He’s got the third longest consecutive game streak in the league. Seeing as Beckum and Boss are constantly banged up, having a veteran backup isn’t a bad idea, especially if he does a lil special teams. Anyone know if he does?
I like MSP's idea of getting Beatty on the field as sixth lineman
But I guess they don’t do that
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
they actually do do that
maybe the plan is to do it more, dunno. But they do it.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
then do we really need a blocking Tight End?
Anyone every try to throw the ball to Beatty?
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
we lineup Beatty as the 6th..we're most likely running
or play action but keeping him in for protection and going out to the flats with the runningbacks
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
What about Andrews
That guy if he is not starting could provide help for Beatty on the Left end, also create huge holes for RB’s . He seems like a guy that needs to be on the field
by RagingBattleAxe on Sep 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Beatty..
The problem with putting a lineman in that situation is that its 100% run play.Atleast with a blocking tightend there is a small chance of a pass and keeps the defense a little honest.It is fine sometimes but eventually it will get old.
Not sure about that
Six lineman, one RB, Boss still on the field and 2 wideouts. Don’t think you need more than 4 targets to have passing options
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 should have read this first before my comment above
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
TE options
I believe Petrus was a fullback at the beginning of his college career, so he may be a threat to catch. Tollefson continually surprises us with his athleticism, and I think he’ll be an option who we know will be active on Sundays.
by Eli Van Pelt on Sep 5, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing about the Giants
is that when it’s short yardage or goal line, the Giants could walk up to the line and tell the D, “Jacobs is getting the ball and coming right here. Stop us.”
Of course, then they can just hit Nicks with a swing pass…
it'll only be used for goal line and short yardage packages...
plus we have Madison Hedgecock, he can catch anything! :)
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
For confirmation,
A player claimed on waivers must go to the active roster, correct?
by Robin's-meats-and-vegetables on Sep 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
yes true
Yea and I just seen waivers is only open till noon and then all those players are free agents.
Going into the season with 1 TE seems highly unlikely...
I understand that Beatty or Petrus can problem play there in some situations but correct me if I’m wrong….but they haven’t played there at all through out Training Camp and that’s when we only had 1 TE on the whole team.
so w/ that said I really think we’re going to pick up a TE.
I really didn’t think DJ Johnson would make the team either so maybe we’re set in the secondary for now…
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
What am I talking about....I actually predicted DJ Johnson would make it....a month ago
but after his play vs the Jets and Steelers I backed off that stance….but remained positive that he had a better shot over seth williams, courtney brown, etc
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I don't think
he would have made the cut, if they had total faith in Ross staying healthy, but his track record says otherwise. They still have a week to make some moves, may not be here opening night, I think they could find an upgrade out there for a 5th CB.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 5, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Some guys that are available but not too sure of:
Titan’s Tye Hill – maybe a cheap vet for a year??
Atlanta’s Chevis Jackson – change of scenery and still has potential – a good look see??
San Diego’s Nathan Vasher – don’t know much about him
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
some good TE's
were dropped so I think it’s that they like the people available more than Bear not making the team.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Listening to Coughlin talk about Calhoun....
sounds like he’s the 4th WR on the team…I’m not saying he’s the 4th best….
but If he’s a better special teams player than hagan I don’t see how he goes inactive….at all.
with that said, Barden and Cruz seem to have been leap frogged……
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I called two out of three
said Alford, Whimper and Wilkinson would be dumped, Wilkinson is like a cat with nine lives I guess. Apparently since he can play special teams, he’s still here. The only real shocker to me was Andre Brown, I think they will try to get him, Bomar, and either Pascoe
or the other Brown (Tim) on the practice squad if they clear waivers. That is only a 24 hr. window, so we could know by tonight.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Myron Rolle...
Got cut by the Titans and there are Rumors that the Bears are trying to ship Greg Olsen.
I don't think the Giants would be interested in either
Olsen doesn’t block and he would cost at least a 3rd or 4th rounder.
Were set at safety so there is no reason to get Rolle.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
unless Rolle is better than Michael Johnson
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Wait what?
Isn’t Olsen good? Like above average good?
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I would like olsen
If he could be had cheap. Won’t happen though.
by Giants56 on Sep 5, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Olsen's more of a Beckum then a Boss
more like a light blocking Shockey then anything. If they used the primary TE for more of a receiver role, no problem.
But I’d think they’ll worry about developing Beckum in that role then trade for someone like Olsen, even tho he is a pretty good player if he has a QB that knows where the ball is going.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with all those points
Just thought I should mention it. I also thought that Rolle had potential, and at the very least is probably better than Michael Johnson.
my thoughts exactly
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I don't care that DJ Johnson can hit
Who cares? He is useless in coverage. I cannot believe that they let go of other decent people to keep a roster space for this guy. I hope he is gone soon, he is a liability.
Still cannot get over Bear. Yeah, he is not Boss but can block, catch, has a great attitude. Not great skills but decent. A great backup, will not complain and get his underwear in a bunch if not getting too much play time.
When I see people write about what a “healthy” Beckum or Ware can do, I laugh. You should see what my grandma could do if she were alive, had 4.3 40 speed and weighed 300 lbs. None of those are likely to happen.
Please, anyone seeing Giant moves, post here. I am usually not this rabid but I am twisted by some of these moves. Also if you find out what the real story was with A. Brown, I never saw that coming.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
DJ Johnson made it because he was the least worse of the CBs.
The team was always going to carry 9 DB’s so keeping DJJ had nothing to do with the cutting of Alford, Brown or Pascoe.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
This roster says DJ is better than Busing or Rashad. Not sure about that . Not having gone to camp and only having seen 2 pre-season games, I tend to agere with other posters on this board – DJ cannot cover! Is that not what CBs do? So why not keep a safety?
Because CB's see more gametime
most defensive formations use 2 safeties. Maybe 3 on rare occasions.
On the other hand it’s not uncommon to play with 4 cornerbacks at the same time. If Ross gets hurt again, they wouldn’t even have enough players to do that.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
the roster doesn't say that
The roster says Ross is hurt, and they need insurance in case he’s not ready for game one
DJ Johnson made the team
for his special teams play. A lot of bubble players (see Duke Calhoun) were kept for just this reason. A willingness on special teams goes very far in TCs eyes
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
Agreed he was the least worst
C Brown and the other clowns were terrible but somehow, this sticks in my craw. Terrible last year, terrible this year. I will eat spare ribs all day until this is resolved. I might have to fall to drinking some beer tonight. Somehow, JR has to replace him, he is almost worse than nobody in a spot. You depend on him and he is always late and lost in coverage.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
I like the decisions
With the exception of one stunt, Alford showed nothing against the Pats. Joesphs side of the line was 3 yards ahead on every pass.
Calhoun has been coming on all camp. Fast and tall, the way Eli likes them. By midseason both he and Cruz will be backups to Nicks and Smith respectively.
I’ll go out on a limb here but I also like DJ Johnson. Good open field tackler. If Fewell can teach him how to look for the ball he will be ok. Always on the receiver during routes, just a bit hesitant. He played well against NE.
Beckum I don’t understand but Pascoe didn’t show much more than a lot of heart. He will make the ps.
We are going to be airing it out this year. I think it is Hedgecock, Wilkinson, and Beckum that are the lucky ones to make this team.
Keep an eye on Kehl too. He may unseat Sintim.
Hedgecock
I don’t think his job was ever in Jeopardy. He had a down year last year but that was due to injury. When healthy he is a beast in the running game.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Who would replace him?
They’d have to pull of a good trade to replace Hedgecock. And he even caught a pass v Pats. I was in shock! He is still a decent blocker and the O line needs all the help it can get.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 5, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
The decision I like is AB as #1
Brandon is mad. I would not like to tackle him when he is mad. He will come into the game with a serious attitude.
I think with Brown and Alford
the Giants decided not to be in the business of waiting for players to come around after injury.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
We will see about the injury
I didn’t see Hedgecock rock one player all preseason. Our 2back sets have done squat. Defense are just too fast for us and they are stacking the line. We will be going with a lot more 3 and 4 wideout sets.
Probably why we kept Beckum. The days of Jacobs and Hedgecock back there are over. Time moves on.
We still play in the North East
and don’t know how the wind is going to be in the new stadium, but i have a feeling we are going to need the power running game in the later months of the season.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Our total power running game
Was also due to a average wide receiver crew. Defenses were putting 7 and eight men in the box every time our 2 back power set lines up. Our O Line can’t handle that many in the box. Now we have the wideout Corp and I’m sure we will be stretching the field. It will free up our O Line and with one back we can still have a power running attack.
I suspect Beckum will also be used to get one of those linebackers to back off the line. Hedgecock can’t create a power running game when every time he is in both outside LBs are right up on the line
QB dilemma
Would you have picked Sage over Troy Smith if we hadn’t traded for Sage???
Younger and bigger arm…. didn’t get a fair shake in Baltimore… I would have thought Gmen to hold off to see who was available, but looking at the deal for Sage, it appears Reynaud was the prime target in the equation.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Sep 5, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
yea, it seemed Reynaud was who they were after
but also I think its starting experience is the main goal.
Sage may have been a mixed bag when he started, but he’s started games. That’s really what I think is the big reason, experience.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But getting experience...
is it all that its cracked up to be?? Sage is a back breaker in situations where he has pressure on him.
I just think with getting rid of Bomar, and not really having anyone young in the backup role is short sighted… Sage must at some time be thinking of hanging up the cleats….
As an avid sports fan, those who bring up their own (through the farm club, affiliate, or through the draft and take time developing their talent) are the ones who prosper…
Losing Bomar was a risk…. and taking Sage is a huge GAMBLE…IMHO
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Sep 5, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m just rolling with what I think the Giants brass’ logic is. I would’ve kept Bomar over Sage any day. Rosenfels sucks just like David Carr did.
If Bomar doesn’t make the PS, they really screwed this up.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I did like about Bomar
His wheels. He could scramble. The last time we had that was Tarkenton. It makes the rushers think twice and gets them tired. His sidearm delivery was still a problem but good mobility improves a QB and makes everyone look better. I think this was a mistake and as said above, short sighted. Very.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 5, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind....
I don’t think there is any chance that Alford or Brown clear waivers, but Bomar might. However, if I were Indy I would take Bomar every day of the week over Painter.
Bomar is going to be a good player. Backup probably but the kid has skills
also…hes lights out in madden. LIGHTS OUT!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Keeping Bomar over any veteran quarterback with real NFL experience woud be suicide in my opinion.
Just because he didn’t look too bad in preseason doesn’t mean he wouldn’t implode in a real game . Not to mention about half his side arm throws would be batted back in his face. As I have said before…pre-season ain’t real football.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 5, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
its just the problem of
yea, Sage is a vet. But he’s not a good vet, the only experience Sage has is being a POS QB. And its not like he knows the playbook yet.
Maybe by week 5 or 6 I’d be OK with him getting some time, but for the immediate time being, I’d rather have Bomar then Sage.
Even then as the #2 QB Bomar would be getting a lot more reps as a #2 QB then a PS QB, so he’d learn more.
If this was someone like Jon Kita, who actually was average as a starter…then OK. But Sage Rosenfels is probably not any better then David Carr.
not really an argument
Carr wanted to go compete for a job and ended up losing to Alex Smith in SF. he was going to leave.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
C'mon Free...I know you don't believe a guy who hasn't even played is better than Carr or Sage..
Sage might have won the startng job at the Vikings if Favre hadn’t come back. I don’t think any team is going to waste any time on Rhett either because of the side arm issue.
Sage will have plenty of time to learn the playbook since he will only be needed if Eli gets hurt. But even if he had to play the first play of the first game he would be safer than a raw rookie.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you mean you don't think another team will
waste their time with Rhett…We know another team won’t because they just had their chance.
Sage winning the job in Minny has nothing to do with his talent
and everything to do with the face Tarvaris Jackson sucks, even tho since Childress has a hard on for Tarvaris, Sage had no chance of winning the job.’
Bomar is not a rookie, he’s a 2nd year player. Preseason doesn’t matter, yea, but Bomar looked just about as good as anything Sage could do when he played a bunch in the preseason.
The only thing Sage has on Bomar is that he’s played. I don’t think that means he’s better.
Sage still makes “rookie mistakes” when he actually plays, so just cuz he’s played doesn’t really mean he’s not a chicken with its head chopped off at QB.
uh uh
this preseason:
31/51 for 402 yds, 4TDs and a rtg of 111.7
c’mon brother, you gotta admit. Those are the type of numbers you’d like to see from your back up
and its was 22/34 for 310 and 3TD's against the Rams
in the first preseason game.
That’s cute and all, but even the rams starters are scrubs.
Agree and disagree
I like the idea of developing Bomar, I really think he has a lot of potential. He could become a great backup someday, maybe even a starter for a diff team down the road. Just needs to be on the roster to get some real practice time in, and be there on the sidelines to learn just how the big boy game works.
But I disagree with your view on Sage. I don’t think he’s a bad QB at all. He was brought to Minny to compete with TJ for the starting spot. I’m not saying he’s good, but he does make a better backup than Bomar does, right now at least.
Does leave one question: who’s staying, who’s going next year when Sorgi’s healthy. Yeah, it’s probably Sorgi.
I agree with everything except that Sage is a better backup right now
like Free said, maybe in a few weeks…when he knows the playbook, but right now if anything happens to Eli and he’s trust into the starting role, comm’n the guy wouldn’t know the playbook, etc. He’s as good as Bomar when he came into the Giants last year. The offense will be Vanilla; whereas with Bomar he’s further down the line with the playbook & the Giants language. Sage is a very experienced QB, so yeah, he’ll pick it quicker than how a rookie would…but there’s still a learning curve there that’s going to take at least a couple of weeks…so Vanilla in the meantime… everybody here loves Vanilla! It’s all on our workhorse (Eli) & it always has been…just hoping Bomar goes to PS, but even then no real NFL experience there…round and round we go…no experience so he won’t play, yet they don’t think he’s ready for that experience yet.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
can u really say that ?
reciever is our strongest position in quantity not quality we have lot of flawed recievers manningham is a playmaker but very inconsistent nicks could and keyword is could be good barden is inconsistent calhoun we dont know much about and as much as i love steve smith when he started getting treated like a number 1 he wasnt ass effective, a big proven wideout would open the run game up more provide security, and what dominant team doesnt have a big target. I agree with all you that we need another cornerback probably a veteran but you have to be delusional to think this is a defensive league anymore…. the teams that win have top offenses with multiple targets just look at the superbowl last year doent get more offensive than thoes two teams.
use the reply button
and the Giants WR have quality AND quantity. We role 3 deep. Manningham’s in his 2nd year of actually playing, 3rd year overall and when WR actually break out.
Jackson would be useless. Who cares how tall he is and how tall Plax is? That’s irrelevant.
The Giants do have multiple targets. Going after a WR would be a senseless as trading for a starting QB or another DE.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think Jackson would be useless
Not a priority though. Also would be expensive. TE and corner need to be the priority, with corner the biggest priority. If the Giants end up having to line up without a TE, so be it. The opposing offense dictates what you have to line up on defense
I do not like our 4th corner situation, and our 3rd corner (Ross) is injured all the time and often not very good when healthy. I was advocating for corner to be addressed in rounds 1-4 of the draft and it wasn’t. Now we are going to have to settle for someone else’s scraps on cut day for a guy that will most likely need to be on the field.
it would be useless to go after him.
Would the WR position be better? yea, probably. Right now he’s better then all of them.
But they’d have to put a ton of money into someone who’s basically a clone, including being a knucklhead, to Plax. And they’d have to give up draft picks, which is something a team that needs to re-tool the OL WAAAAY before they worry about a WR cannot do.
So yea, going after Jackson would be useless, and probably hurt the team more then it’d help.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
In the long run you're absolutely right
And if we can’t count on our current WR corps to produce the Giants are going nowhere anyway. They should be the least of our problems.
The V-Jax talk is useless
Cause its pie in the sky talk
Only in Baseball can you do it, its a no cap year
Cap will be back and with a vengeance
i couldn't even read this
punctuation, please
This is a strong unit
There’s a reason Eli threw for over 4000 yards, and while you can say it’s because we played from behind too much (which is true), Smith became a 100 catch receiver because he’s just that reliable. And those same guys all have another year under their belt, plus a couple of new guys who’ve flashed potential. We’re set there, at the moment.
One season does not make a trend
Steelers 2 yrs ago…good defense
Giants 3 yrs ago…… great defense
Just some further thoughts
Hey guys – long day yesterday and I am a little late in getting caught up this am but have seen some crazy posts this am. I am looking forward to today to see what we do at TE. VC trade is unlikely, but I would be for it if we could get him. We do have good WR’s, but nothing like VC. He is a top 10 player in his prime now and would get 3 solid years from a monster WR that defenses would need to game plan for. Imagine VC, Hicks and Smith for the next 3 to 5 years. Would be awesome and may push Eli into the elite status. He would be a good investment, but I just don’t see it happening.
I don’t think any decisions being made are due to TC/JR being on the hot seat. If we do badly this year, then TC is going to retire and Cowher will be taking over. JR will stay as he has done a lot of good and very little bad. Last years signing got messed up due to injurys. Regarding Alford, I think everyone is right because and I am ok because as I see it, we are vested long term in Canty and with Joseph. BB is only around for 1 more year so the investment is not long term and we have many options following. I am on the fence as I can see pros/cons with either direction.
I think Duke& Johnson are really cuts, but they just won’t happen until we sign another TE and/or another player off waiver. So, what do you guys think about TE situation?
If VC means Vincent Jackson
99% sure that no way it happens
1. Suspended first 4 games.
2. Already holding out in SD because he wants a new deal.
3. Would most likely lose a high draft pick(s), in addition to whatever player(s) were traded.
4. Giants would have to give him a new contract, if not see reason 2.
5. Tall WRs are not always better WRs… look at Desean Jackson, Percy Harrvin, Wes Welker.
6. Giants may of had their fill of “knucklehead WRs” after Nov 2008.
7. Chemistry between a QB and a WR is not easier said then done. The chance is always there Eli and him are never on the same page., especially coming in week 5, see reason 1
8. The way the national media treats Eli, even having Jackson will not make him a elite QB. Who cares if he is not… Super Bowl MVP sounds pretty good to me.
9. The run game did not suffer in 2009 because no WR demanded double coverage so 8 men were put in to stop the run… the run game suffered cause the O-Line, fullback and running backs were terrible last year…. injuries being the main reason for that.
10. Last year JR took the risk of going with young guys at WR, looked like the weak link of the team. The risk paid off big time and they are now a strength of the team. Getting a bigtime player (yes he is a top 10 WR), would of wasted about 2 years of progress made on this team and a panic button being pressed by JR.
that seems like a fair amount of reason for NO
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
if anything i want the giants to get some o line help
the line looked real shakey in the preseason and a few guys have been nicked up a bit. Securing a reliable back up or good and affordable guy would be huge for this team. It would help get the running game back on track.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Deleware State's kicker weighs about 300lbs
He is like the hefty lefty of college kicking.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
i miss Jared Lorenzen
he’ll always be the 4th and 1 dive against the Eagles for me. :)
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Fat Kicker Down!
Looks like a blown out knee.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe me i hope im wrong about all this
I HOPE manningham and nicks and them can do it believe me i just dont want to see eli not reach what he can do because we want to run it all the time he is not mark sanchez and its not the height for v jax its how good of a reciever he is too remember he is one of the few that did well against a corner like nnamdi asomougha their are plenty big recievres but what he can do with that size and his talent is unbelievable we drafted defense all last year at some point we need to take care of what our franchise qb needs to make our team better on that side of the ball. And Eli Van Pelt the steelers were a pretty damn good offensive team too and the faced a great cardinals offense and the team we beat 3 years ago was another offensive juggernaut in the pats im not saying remake the whole offense just get a not only big but extremely talented player for our franchise quarterback and lets face it as well as our defense played in the superbowl PLAX did win it for us
If you really want V Jax
submit a list of salary $ you are prepared to cut next season
Nicks?
Andrews?
Someone will have to go to cover those big $$$.
JR does not build for a year, he builds for a decade. So you have to isolate the cuts now.
VC is not a player that will be around for 1 more year
He can easily play another 4-5 years.
I think a trade like that would make our offense one of the best in the league but the problem is the price. VC probably wants about $7-9m per year and the Chargers would probably want at least a 2nd and a 3rd round pick.
Don’t forget we still need to pay Steve Smith a new contract and Kiwanuka will want a new contract as well.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We have at least three good young wideouts right now
It makes absolutely zero sense to trade for a guy who A) is a malcontent B) will already miss a few games this year C) will be ridiculously expensive
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
its not going to happen
we have quality recievers. Airing it out for the sake of airing it out makes no sense. Sure everyone loooooooooves the pass now. But when games are in december-feb. You have to run the ball. Forsaking the run to have eli throw for a billion yards is not a smart decscion. He through for over 4K last season. All though that is personally great, it doesnt help the team.
Have eli throw for around 3000 and a td/int ratio of 24-10 and the giants will be fine.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I disagree
We need to beable to air it out sometimes, it will help our running game and if were down by 2 TD’s then we need to sling it to come back. Our shaky secondary can easily give up 2 quick TDs so we need to beable to do the same. And, its a QB driven league. Last year we had three of the best in the game (and sanchize) fighting to get to the SB. Is that a mistake? Even the Steelers got there throwing, not power running which is very much not their style.
by Big Blue in tx on Sep 5, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
that was last year
2008, while those Steelers won the bowl…the Giants and Panthers were the best teams in the NFL. Excellent running games and defenses, above average passing the ball. 2007..well we know what happened.
You play to win, you don’t play to match the style of everyone else.
The Giants have the personnel to air it out AND run well. I don’t see why the need to get another WR just so they have a 6"5 guy like a couple years ago. They have playmakers.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We agree
Any move that improves our team would be welcome. I love Vincent Jackson and would welcome him with open arms. He’s worth a 1st round draft choice+. I’m not sure it would be easy to get him here, or to incorporate him into the offense, but its at least worth discussing. Our biggest improvements though need to be on defense. Our offense was pretty good last year, and figures to be better (if the line plays ok), especially if they get the ball back from other teams more often. I like the idea of more turnovers, but I really HATE the “bend but don’t break” philosophy. I like AGGRESSIVE, AGGRESSIVE, and MORE AGGRESSIVE. but I’m not the DC.
by Eli Van Pelt on Sep 5, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The Giants gambled with Plax
But they also weren’t as high on their receiver situation then compared to now. That gamble did pay off, but eventually they shot themselves in the leg, er foot…no, leg. The Giants would not take on any player who may provide more drama then he’s worth, not with that memory still so fresh in their heads.
Besides, we have Victor Cruz, we’ve got nothing to worry about. lol
LB Patrick Bailey
Steelers made him one of their last cuts but he was all over the place in the game against Carolina. He was a beast on ST as well. Hope we bring him in, I’m still not sold on out LBs.
Tennesse beat you to it
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 5, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bomar/Pascoe
If cutting these low level, low impact players are really a big deal, this team is in big trouble
Bomar threw high way too often to trust in anything but garbage time (and I like his potential), but after re-watching Pats game, I see why they got Rosenfels. Our coaches won’t go Kubaik and will take the ball out of his hands if they have too. Perhaps have JPP explain it face to face.
Pascoe, I loved the story, I rooted for him, but seriously, we ache for more Boss, Pascoe on this team would be like Halloween decorations in January, collecting dust.
Bomar
I think he ended up being cut because the coaches can’t get him out of using that sidearm delivery. How many passes were batted down in the Patriots game alone?
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He throws high a ton
When on target he is sweet, bug 1st string/ top DC would pay a cover 2 and get a bunch of picks
I think you are right that it is due to the. Side arm
yes, but those should be correctable
as a backup QB all we really need is play management anyways…and he can run for the first down and landry someone for it… can Sage do that? :)
anyways, I know it’s meaningless now, things are how they are….
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
But Bear is better than Beckum
And we still need depth. Our every once in awhile we could use a 2 TE set. Boss and Bear would work well.
yeah i though Bear was a better blocker than Beckum
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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Better blocker, stiff mechanical receiver
He is healthier, not so sure about better
a contract we could get rid of is
rocky bernard and osi is almost done too unless he rejuvinates himself
i wouldn't cut rocky just yet
he’s looked absolutely beast this preseason. yes, last season was a huge disappointment, but he was injured. give him a chance to prove himself while healthy, and if he still disappoints, then cut him. i still think he can be a huge plus on the team if he returns from his injury playing like he did for seattle
Obviously Reese didn't sign him to the big bucks...
with the expectation of last year’s performance. But as you say, he was hurt, and showed enough to hold his roster spot this preseason, so lets hope he stays healthy and earns every nickle of his contract.
id get rid of Canty's contract before those guys.
But i agree on Osi. He has to play well this year. We need him to be a compliment bookend to Justin Tuck
I hate Philadelphia so much.
and its not jus V Jax
i wanted marshall granted his baggage i think he has grown up , and all they wanted was a 2nd what was wrong with that i dont think at this point it will take a first to get vincent but as well as i think we are going to do were not going to get that type of young talent late in the draft also some food for thought .. we gave up 2 draft picks for rosenfels and a punt returner but we wouldnt give up a 4th to get haynesworth granted he is an a** but not to long ago he was considered the best defensive player in the nfl
the last thing we need is another wide receiver
eli passed for over 4k yards last season, that’s proof that our receiving core is good enough. our running game was horrible, but hopefully that will recover. is no one worried about our linebackers? i know goff has looked good this preseason, but he was anything but consistent when dropping back to defend the pass. we play indiana week 2, payton’s going to throw right there every time. i know we all dream of having this all-star receiving core, but that’s really the least of our worries. fix the running game and our receivers, who are already good enough (i think nicks will be the amazing this year), will get open even more. fix the defense, and we won’t have to put up 40 points just to win a game.
Just a general comment, directed at nobody or anything....
in these times of roster changes, additions and subtractions. I think one of the subtle problems of fantasy football and playing Madden and the like is that a lot of folks lose track of the notion that the players are PEOPLE, and not interchangeable parts. They have their own personalities, egos, financial implications and personal requirements. I think we saw with Leinart a situation where a player and his team weren’t good fits at all. Part of the construction of a team is to get everyone to buy into the same unified goal and vision of a team and a single purpose. I think the Giants themselves had problems with that last year. Amid all of the changes in roster, the potential trades and practice squad moves, I think that one has to consider the positional needs and player talents, but also how the individuals will fit into what’s being built. Some of the “headline trades” and “hot rumors” seem to disregard this whole area.
off topic
anybody know what happened to the ernie pallidino link that used to be on the side with MG and RV?
I think Ernie is now a part of another organization...
which would account for the link being gone, but I’m sorry I don’t know which group he’s a part of now.
Andre Brown Claimed by Broncos
as per ralph vacchiano twitter
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
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http://twitter.com/TheBlueScreen/status/23076251959
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 5, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish him well...
it’s a SHORT list of people who’ve been able to come back and excel from the injury he suffered last year. I wish he’d have had a chance to stay with the Giants, as he’s both a runner and a receiver type. Again good luck to him.
BOOOOO!!!!
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Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
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Pat White...
just getting that name out there crucify me if you’d like lol.
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EXCELLENT!!!!
Good work ethic, deserves a chance to get a roster spot if one opens later.
thumbs up!
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Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
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I figure he would be
An in a few weeks when Beckum goes down for the season Bear will be book ending with the Boss. And will never look back.
Bomar signed to the practice squad according to Vacchiano...
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
nice
at least they keep Bomar and Bear. Sad to see Brown get picked up, but wish him the best. Probably not worth it to have another injury prone RB on the roster tho.
agreed
I think the ‘hurt’ issue is probably weighing in on some of those issues and there apparently giving Beckum another year.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
he's got turf toe
for a RB that could basically mean he’s on IR even tho he could play.
Beckum’s injury probably resolves at least, but Brown’s injury you just need to stay off your feet…something he wouldn’t be doing playing football.
Shame there’s not a 6 or 8 week IR type thing, or else they’d be able to keep someone like Brown.
Bomar and Bear
I’m glad these guys are on the PS. I think Bomar can be our backup of the future.
I also think Pascoe deserves a shot. From what I read he caught everything thrown his way in camp and stayed healthy which is more than what any other TE did.
Excellent again...
We keep the Bear and Bomar show, and both may be playing in the regular season within a few weeks. I’d have liked to have kept Brown as well, but this isn’t bad and puts Bomar right back to where he was expected to be prior to Sorgi getting to work, except with a whole lot more experience and with the retained knowledge and skill he showed in preseason.
I hope to God
Bomar isn’t playing in a few weeks
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
unless its mop-up duty in a blowout
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point in a blowout, they'd probably let Sage...
get some game condition work in within the system.
Good point, I meant ACTIVE for Bomar....
If a roster spot opens up before Sage is up to speed, I wouldn’t be suprised to see Bomar activated in case he’s needed.
thumbs up again!
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Didn't see anyone mention it above,
but I think the Chargers released CB Nathan Vasher (per Adam Schefters twitter
I think Giants should get a vet CB, and I think Vasher could be a much better option than someone like Dre Bly
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
Agreed
I think we need someone like Vasher or Bly that can step in and solidy the nickel.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
I'd really prefer
someone besides Bly though.
I still can’t wrap my head around how a veteran like that loses the ball while celebrating after an interception.
For those who have no idea what I’m talking about, watch this horrendous play from last season with the 49ers.
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
That play was just awful
Especially considering his team was getting destroyed at that point
I would be fine with Vasher, if he has anything left.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
We don't need Bly
or selfish players like him. I saw that SF game last year and before he even got caught, I knew it would happen as soon as he started his showboating bs.
I can’t believe Singletary didn’t just send him to the locker room after that play.
Let the Cowboys pick him up
Brings back fine memories of Leon Lett
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Giants want to go young with a player like that.
What kind of motivation would a Bly or Vasher have being the 5th corner and special teams player? They already have a good amount of money and would prefer being on the field for a team with a weaker secondary.
On the other hand someone like DJJ is hungry. He wants to prove that he is a NFL-caliber player and he is more likely to play hard whenever hes given the chance.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Vasher was pretty good when Fewell was coaching the secondary in Chicago
be nice to reunite them, but I dunno. Every borderline DB or WR was added cuz they play ST well. I dunno how Vasher does on that end.
I didn't even make
the Fewell connection. I think Vasher would be great for the dimeback or even nickel spot with injureies, and seems like a quality veteran character to at least help show these young guys the ropes. I’m thinking a Sam Madison type, but probably even less playing time
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
Vasher hasn't played a full season since 2005...
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 5, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this too...
hope he would be better than DJ, we already have 1 too many DJs anyway :)
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Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
PS complete...
OL Jim Cordle
DT Nate Collins
CB Seth Williams
TE Bear Pascoe
QB Rhett Bomar
TE Jake Ballard
S Sha’reff Rashad
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you're missing one
isn’t PS supposed to be 8 players? and what happened to AB2? did he get picked up?
I hope Alford gets a shot somewhere
But it’s a bad sign that he wasn’t picked by anyone.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
i don't like the trade at all.
at least bomar knows the offense and can help with the playcalling to manning. Eli is sturdy and won’t be giving up downs so the role of the backup is to help send in signals. Bomar knows it better than sage. I hope to see bear picked up so when beckum gets hurt again they’ll have a te who can block and catch. He earned his spot
well here's the thing
for everyone that thinks we should have kept Bomar on the 53, not one of the other 31 teams in the entire league were willing to waste a roster spot on him. So let’s stop with the “he’s better than Sage stuff”
sage isn't exactly Montana in waiting
so why waste money on a crappy backup who doesn’t know the offense
Bomar knows the offense....but right now, he sucks, far more than Sage.
and Bear got signed to the squad.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
i was happy to see bear picked up
after the punishment he took in camp and preseason, he deserves a spot
I really like Bomar
and I wanted to keep him. But Sage is a more viable option. He’s a better QB this year, and has plenty of game experience. I know that’s exactly what Bomar needs, but he won’t get it here. There really isn’t much of a chance for him here. He probably needs to be on a team like the Redskins, where he could have a chance of competing for a job down the road. And he’s gotta be better than not-so-sexy Rexy.
I imagine pretty quickly.
Besides, he’s only likely to be handing off to kill the clock in the last 3 mins of the game.
I thought that's what clipboards were for
If he’s just reading the play off, I don’t see it being an issue. Gilbride’s calling the play, he doesn’t have to know what it is, just has to repeat it. But that’ll help him learn it, for sure.
David Clowney
The jets let him go, and hard knocks seem to point out he has a bit of an attitude but he has been quite good on special teams as a gunner, perhaps worth a look.
Sam Aiken
also is a decent special teamer is available
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm interested in Pat White...
our running game is a question mark White can add a different aspect maybe help the run game come to life a bit.
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by SportsDalaiLama on Sep 5, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes on Aiken
is a career ST guy that sounds like he could grab TCs attention. Obviously trying to shore up that unit.
No on Pat White. As much as a fan I am of this guy both in college and hoping he made it in Miami, he doesn’t fit our scheme and he would just collect dust (probably next to Beckum) on Kevin Killdrives toy shelf
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
maybe Aiken? I think he becomes a FA
Not Pat White though, he would go to Miamis PS upon clearing waivers
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
No
has played too many games in the NFL, would like to see him on ST’s though.
I was a little surprised Pats let him go, and ASKED Burgess to come back,
let him go too?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
We already have a Wildcat QB
his name is Antrell Rolle
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Attitude = no
I think after being burned by Plax , the Giants will not be taking on any character issue WR’s.
If you watched hard knocks you know this guy had the attidtude that he was above playing ST and I don’t think he’s got a good work ethic.
Glad to see a RB on the PS...
We’re a bit thin in numbers there, and staying injury free isn’t in past history either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h73F9AMTP7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h73F9AMTP7s
This dude is QUICK
goes to show ya
he’s just one of many RBs like this.
I was mad at not keeping Andre Brown, but the reality is there’s a lot of RB’s that didn’t even get drafted that can play.
McNeal ran like a 4.6 vs. Brown’s 4.5, and McNeal is pretty small…but he can play.
Who?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Any thoughts on LB Bobby Carpenter?
If he’s cheap, might be an option as a backup or 3rd down/nickel LB. He probably be good back in 4-3. Might help us cover up that middle of the field where we struggle with TE/RB coverage.
Vasher I think is done, cut by 2 teams this year.
how come every pile of trash that gets released has to be an option?
Carpenter was moved to DE instead of LB cuz he just runs around with his head chopped off and is scared of contact.
I dunno...
but every POS who gets released is for a reason. Carpenter sucks, just cuz he was a 1st rounder and plays LB doesn’t make him a good option.
While I mostly agree
There was more than a few guys we let go of that we really wish we could have kept. Gotta be a diamond in the rough somewhere. Or maybe for a Canadian football team. lol
Yeah
he sucks, geez we only have 8 linebackers now.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
yeah
the more I think about it, the last thing we need is to get softer in the middle.
I think if our LB just jammed these TE’s at the line and not just let them off we would be better off
They haven't been targeting LBs early in the draft.
other than Sintim, who was a project when they drafted him.
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't a real deep LB draft this year.
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets wait on JPP...2 years the guy could be really good and good DE's aren't easy to find.
We just don’t look for good LB’s….lol. We wait until the 4th round. This year we had no choice as I know they would have taken McLain if he was there or close…But of course, AL Davis had to be Al Davis and screw it all up. I was hoping they would have traded down a few spots for Spoon. We are where we are.
Oakland screwed us
I think if McClain was there at 15 then we would have taken him instead of JPP.
Otherwise, I don’t think the Giants like any of the other LB’s as 1st rd talent that would fit our D
i like jpp alot
i wasn’t upset with that pick,but the giants should have at least picked up one in the 2nd or third round
Who?
There wasn’t anyone worth a 2nd or 3rd pick. We got awesome value at 2 and 3 this year. CJ was going to be awesome, he would have been the top3 Safety if he only played one sport and LJ is a beast who will anchor the D for the next 5 years. You can’t draft a 5th round talent in the 3rd round. You draft 2nd round talent in the 3rd round is the game man.
spoon wouldn't have been a bad choice
lj could be great but stacking all picks on one side where there are already a lot of players doesn’t make sense
Daryl Washington
was the only other guy that the Giants could have drafted that would fit us but they grabbed LJ instead. I think LJ will be a run stopper for us. Hopefully next year there will be a stud LB we can get.
Next year's draft class is definately deeper at MLB
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm a huge tarheels fan
and both of those guys have the talent and instincts to be good. those two kept nc in the lsu game
We might be able to find one with the last pick in rd1
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
rather have Kelvin Sheppard from LSU
Carter’s more of a Sintim type. Sturdivant’s good but I don’t think he’ll be in the middle this year.
I like Greg Jones
but he will be gone way before we pick.
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i go to unc
get to see them play every week. those two are beasts, i would love one of them on our team. i woulda said that about a few other unc players a couple of months ago, but now it looks like a whole bunch of them won’t be playing for awhile…
They still almost beat LSU
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Linval is both a run stopper and a pass rusher
That duality is hard to find in such a big man.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
much rather have Linval Joseph and probably Chad Jones as well
there wasn’t any LB’s in the third round anyway worth anything, tho they got Dillard anway.
Agree
I think we will actually be ok with Goff. He just needs real game epxerience. I think I am also one of the few who thinks Sint is going to be really good the backhalf of the season. He just needs to know how to play. Tracy in 2 years will replace Boley as well.
sure would be
but if my memory is correct it seemed like he had severe damage to both legs… really terrible thing for a kid…
Go Big Blue!
From what I remember
Docs said he would be able to run again. Far cry from actually playing NFL football, but that’d be a feat for him none the less.
Spikes has been great this preseason
but in a 3/4 defense. he wouldn’t fit our scheme, too slow.
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by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland TOTALLY screwed us.
Not just McClain, but the kid from Texas, Lamarr Houston. I’m happy we got Linval, but I think Houston is going to be a good one.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Def
I think they’re still pissed at us for crushing them last year. And to think, that loss is going to be the factor that changes that team for the better. lol
The Legacy of Bill Sheridan, the Staystuffed Marshmallow Man...
and his clear the middle for the backpedalling defensive linemen defense?
honestly, we'll start seeing if we really are soft in the middle during the first game
too much Vanilla defense during Pre-season, pretty hard to tell
we’ll definitely know after Carolina
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Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
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Nevermind Shawnbrey McNeal
wrong information he is NOT on Giants PS (Via Ralph V)
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I think we did dude…
Nope...
That was before the mistake was recognized.
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by SportsDalaiLama on Sep 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Patrick Bailey, LB and ST just cut from the Steelers
Still mad we didn’t grab Kirk Morrison from Oakland…
I think we did
This just in on profootball…
The Giants did get quarterback Rhett Bomar through waivers. The rest of their practice includes: DT Nate Collins, CB Seth Williams, OL Jim Cordle, TEs Bear Pascoe and Jake Ballard, QB Rhett Bomar, RB Shawnbrey McNeal, and S Sha’reff Rashad.
McNeal came from the Chargers.
What is it with us stealing the Chargers RB's
Gartrell last year, McNeal this year
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me know
When Its Champ Bailey that’s cut.
Final Practice Squad
I am ok with it…Curious where Alford will end up. After watching the McNeal video, i think he could be better for us than AB, especially on ST. Now it’s time to get to practice and win some ball games…
So is McNeal on the Practice Squad or not?
Colour me confused!
Not sure man - i think based on...
Usually they post a updated link to the post if there’s an update, so as of now, until i see otherwise, I’ll just assume yes
Thanks, I checked that link...
But also see where RV has backpedalled from his earlier source and says no. If he is great, if not, does anyone know who our eighth PS player is?
What happened to Tim Brown?
Anyone know? BTW, I would have put Chandler on PS as the second TE after Bear. And I know I will get kicked for this but I would maybe have put Gartrell on there, I have little faith in Ware staying healthy. Some of the other guys on the PS are questionable, not sure why they are there other than our ranks are questionable as well.
OL Jim Cordle ?
DT Nate Collins ?
CB Seth Williams No – this guy blows coverages AND THEN SMILES!
TE Bear Pascoe YES!!!!
QB Rhett Bomar Yes
TE Jake Ballard ?
S Sha’reff Rashad OK
Smack me if you don’t agree, I just don’t see the value in some of the guys.
Collins...
is good lot of potential very happy about him being on PS
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by SportsDalaiLama on Sep 5, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Bear and the rest of the PS
Look – i like his name, he comes to work, and I am glad he is on the PS. But lets not get out of hand until he actually does something. He is a PS player right now and that be it.
Rashard needs to put more work in for me to see if he’s got any game talent. Bomar is good becasue he could be a really good #2 NEXT YEAR, which will save us a bunch of $. Or trade him in 2 years if he does develop.
Collins I think is avg, so good for PS. Same with Cordle.
Ballard I just dont remember, solid blocking TE?
No clue if McNeal is on or not, so we are still waiting for the 8th spot.
I still think there’s a chance that someone else’s garbage could become our treasure so we could cut DJ or Duke for the better…
Did we cut Courtney Love
Or did he make the roster? Yes, that’s Courtney Brown, but he’s a mess just like she is.
I think so
It is how DJ “I cover my eyes not the receiver” Johnson fell backwards into a spot. I think he is starting a defensive football camp with CC Brown. :)
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 5, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Re Dre Bly
Broncos fan chiming in here (I read this board for my dad, who is a big NYG fan): I would stay far away from Bly. He was already on his way down as a Bronco, then couldn’t even cut it with the Lions who have a horrendous DBackfield. And he can’t play special teams. Stay away.
Good luck this season!
PS: Thanks for Andre Brown :) We needed him more than you did, hope he’s healthy. Also liked Gartrell.
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He has turf toe...
and is trying to come back from an Achilles tear. I hope he makes it, but the odds are against him. Looked decent in the last preseason game though.
I'm just glad the Skins didn't claim AB2 ...
Lord knows they can use a RB that’s not totally used up. Good to see they are intent on continuing their self-destructive ways as they try and teach Haynesworth “a lesson”. Wonder when the chatter of what HOF coach Snyder will hire in 2013 starts.
Tom Coughlin
lol
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 5, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yah, thanks, knew about the turf toe
(presumably Broncos did, too, lol). What I read this morning was that he’s expected to be sidelined through their first game in Jacksonville. But then ready to go after that barring setbacks. We’ll see. He gives them a bigger back option that they needed when Lendale White went down. Anyone sign Gartrell yet? Cheers!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Gartell I believe is still available
Goodluck with Andre Brown, he’ll be a nice one for you guys…he showed he was okay from his surgery during the pre-season, but you guys will have a better gauge by mid-season
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Thanks, you too
I wish Brown well, if he can stay healthy you’ll def like what you get. I also really liked Gartrell. In the right system, he could be a stud, I think. As for Bly, he doesn’t have a lot of favor with this crowd.
Try AB on KR/PR...
…you may not like him much after that….AB is dead to this board now. He will be carrying Tebow’s bags now.
Update on LB Bailey and a solid Punching Throwing RB is now avail...
Maybe that’s why we are up in the air on McNeal…see below:
The Titans also waived a player whose reputation from his days in college isn’t quite as sterling as Rolle’s: Running back LeGarrette Blount, best known for throwing a nationally televised punch last year when he was at Oregon, has been placed on waivers, as has linebacker Stanford Keglar.
The Titans have also been awarded two veteran linebackers off waivers, Tim Shaw and Patrick Bailey.
Per RV McNeil NOT on the PS...
He reconfirmed and apparently doesn’t expect the Giants to fill their 8th slot on the PS until Monday.
LOL...
I once worked for a company whose owner sent us (in jest I think?), in mid-December a suggestion that employees should plan on working Christmas Day without pay as their gift to the company for providing us with gainfull employment during the year. I’d tell you if anyone actually showed up, but I wasn’t there to see.
Nope....but he was cheap enough he squeaked when he walked...
and threw around nickles like they were manhole covers. Also when it came time to tip waiters (waitresses) at restaurants following business meals we discovered he usually had deep pockets and short arms.
Don't ya hate
when your at the bottom of the thread, and you forget to hit reply b/c the "post new comment’ box is staring you in the face. lol
Welll he did (and this is the truth), have a throw pillow...
on one of the chairs in his office that said “Bah Humbug” on it, so it wasn’t like he didn’t know he was…..ummm…..frugal to a fault…..he BRAGGED about it!
Don't know about that...but back to football....
The Giants really could use a running back on the PS. Just carrying three experienced running backs, and that counts Ware as “experienced” and he really isn’t. I’m assuming our new kick returner is more of a special teams player than true running back at this point.
Vasher!
I want him the guy knows how to create turnovers he always seems to throw that fist in and knock the ball loose speaking of throwing fists i think we should grab blount hes a big boy with speed that was supposed to be one of the top rbs in the draft til the punch heard round the word plus then bj can teach him how to box and use that one hit power i actually loved watchin the boise dudes eyes roll back into is head serves him right for bein mouthy lol
by gianthawk34 on Sep 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
running back
We definitely need help at running back. The vikings released Ian johnson. I can’t believe this guy isn’t NFL talent. Pick him up!
Jerome and not Gartrell gets picked up?
Cards picked up Jerome Johnson off waivers. I honestly can’t remember him even being on the team. Did they see something we didn’t?
Jerome Johnson
I think he caught a pass vs. the jets. he actually looked good in doing so. his hands are obviously better than hedgecocks and he has pretty good size. I’m not surprised to hear that he caught on elsewhere
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Yeah, I think he was the "insurance policy" in case...
Hedgecock didn’t recover from his injury and bounce back into form.
With Hedge on the team as well as the other RB's
there was no spot for Jerome.
Gartrell’s gonna have a tough time finding a job. Slower Marion Barber type RB’s with not very good hands aren’t really in demand.
wasn't Jerome more a FB
that would explain why they picked him instead of Gartrell…if that’s what they needed
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Why don't you guys want Vincent Jackson?
Have you guys looked at his stats? Last year he had the second least amount of receptions(68, 2nd to D. Jackson) to have 1,000yrds(1,167) receiving. The reason why we couldn’t run the ball last year is, because he didn’t have a WR who could stretch the field. The Reason why we didn’t go to the Super Bowl in 08 was because we didn’t have Plaxico. Teams are just loading in on us and not respecting our passing game, because they have no reason to respect it.
Steve Smith is not explosive and Hakeem Nicks doesn’t demand double coverage. If we were to get Vincent Jackson, we would be a Super Bowl team. Plus he’s 27, lets get this guy!!!
on paper is great
but he’s a team cancer who wants to be paid. Plaxico was a part of teh reason they didn’t win it all in 2008, but it was much more then that.
There’s a few spots the team could be upgraded, but its useless to go and upgrade the WR spot.
If Steve Smith doesn’t get double covered, someone forgot to tell the other teams the Giants played. And Nicks is a 2nd year player…lets not write his career off already. And then there’s Manningham too.
If we’re talking about Marcus McNeil…at least that actually makes sense to trade with the Chargers, but equally not happening. And probably a good idea to not happen.
...
I’m not saying Hakeem Nicks isn’t going to be great, but I don’t think he’ll ever scare a defense like Plax did and Steve Smith is more of a slot receiver, like Wes Welker. Plus Steve Smith will never demand double coverage. We won with Plaxico and Jeremy Shockey, so I wouldn’t use that team cancer crap, unless it’s T.O we’re talking about. And it’s not like Vincent Jackson cries if he doesn’t get the ball.
The Giants would be a better team with Vincent Jackson. Look how many times last year we had to settle for a FG, while we we’re inside the redzone. If we are able to put up a lot touchdowns, we won’t have to worry about having a spectacular defense.
Yes there are other spots we should look at, but there aren’t anyone available who’s as talented as Vincent Jackson, to fill those holes.
Jackson doesn't fill a hole.
He adds to an already stocked pile of talent. Waste of picks, players..ect. I ain’t wasting any more thoughts on this.
Pretty sure Jerry Reese is doing the right thing as well and not wasting his on it either.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yea.....that ain't what this is.
you just said our WR’s are a questionable group that at this point just seems average.
Our WR ain’t average. If this was the 2009 preseason..yea, we dunno who and what our WR will be, they’re all young.
1 season, we got 3 who showed excellent potential, much more then all the youngings in the LB corps can say.
I dunno where some people pull this bullcrap from.
LMAO
honestly you’re the funniest guy on BBV. I know some people have made the claim they are, but you take the cake.
1st let me explain what I"m saying. Adding V Jax would take our good WR corps, and make them great. That gives eli a great deep threat, something the team currently doesn’t have. I want the team better, period.
2nd now let’s see, where do some people pull this bullcrap from? you tell me. Here’s you, early yesterday:
*"cuz those aren’t win now decisions. If they were trying to win now, they’d go balls out into getting Darrele Revis, Albert Haynesworth and Vincent Jackson, or at least 2/3.
A backup QB who’s not gonna play, the decision on who to keep for 4th DT, and a couple of UDFA’s for WR are not win now decisions.
I dunno where this crap is coming from…how is any of this "win now"?"*
Pretty sure where you stand from those comments. If the Giants want to show they have a “win now” attitude, they need to go get V Jax…hmmm
Well, here’s freebradshaw many many hours later:
*"Jackson doesn’t fill a hole.
He adds to an already stocked pile of talent. Waste of picks, players..ect. I ain’t wasting any more thoughts on this.
Pretty sure Jerry Reese is doing the right thing as well and not wasting his time on it either."*
C’mon man, stop spending so much time acting like you know it all and you’re the only giant fan on here, and anyone who disagrees with you isn’t a fan, and you won’t have to end up with people like me showing your hypocrisy. And don’t even make me show you the contradicting comments you made about the importance of the preseason. So uhm, yeah, that’s where I pull my BS from. Where do you get yours?
missing the point on those "win now" decisions
maybe you should go and find the quote where I said that Jackson would make the WR corps better, but is a useless trade.
And you didn’t answer the fact that you compared teh WR corps to the LB corps.
If the LBs last year played like the WRs…yea, Patrick Willis wouldn’t make much sense, since they’d have a talented trio at LB for the next 5-7 years..makeing it a waste to add to the position.
So go head…show all the “contradicting stuff”.
You act like every thing I say is applied to one particular topic. Take it easy bub.
what point am I missing?
that’s what you said. and I didn’t compare the WR corps to the LB corps. I compared the situation of adding a great player to an over crowded position. Example, maybe the best and most consistent group over the yrs on the team (aside from QB) is our O-Line. Yet we picked up Shawn Andrews, because he makes it better and deeper. And if you Add V Jax to the team, he’d make the WR group better and deeper. That being said, if our LBs were as good as our WRs, do you mean to tell me you wouldn’t want to add Patrick Willis if her were avail? i’m going to assume, you would want to. And I don’t think everything you say is applied to one topic, but you should stay consistent on that one topic or just admit you changed your mind. And as far as taking it easy, I aways do…remember, you’re the one whose tired of the discussion and wonder where people are getting their BS from…not me, I was just pointing out facts. And contradicting stuff, man, you should go back and read you comments from when Goff got that Interception. You would have thought he was the second coming of Ray Lewis. But as you’ve pointed out, preseason doesn’t matter. Wait or does it? Can’t keep track.
crowded position..we can start right there.
that’s what your missing. You honestly thing….Patrick Willis, would be added to a “crowded position”? I like Jon Goff as our starter, but really? That’s a “Crowded position”? Willis ain’t being added to a crowded position..if he was available.
If the LB’s were as good as the WR’s..no, I wouldn’t add another LB. No point, waste of time.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not worth the time
This free guy contradicts himself left and right and pretty much appears to just enjoy picking arguments with folks. He’ll also just jump around on tangents when he’s losing ground on bold claims that don’t stack up. Just don’t bother chasing this mad hatter down the rabbit hole. He isn’t worth the time.
by bigblue777 on Sep 6, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just speaking from experience
Once it crosses a certain thershold of back and forth going nowhere I’ve learned its best with you to just let you have your last word and move on because things are going nowehere. Insert your last word here and we can move on.
Giant redzone problems
have been around before they had Plaxico, during Plaxico’s time here, after Plaxico was gone and proberly in the future too. This is not a new problem with the Giants, its been around for many many years
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 6, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why
…we really really ought to be using Ramses more down there. He’s tall.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
agree
or use the TEs
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 7, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason we couldn't run last year was injuries...
The front five backs were all injured, and the offensive line had injury problems as well. And somewhere along the way Eli managed to set a career high in passing yardage, while Smith managed a team record for catches and 1,000+ yards receiving. If teams feel they don’t want to double cover him, fine. And last year that happened with a rookie, Nicks, and a first year starter Manningham as the main alternative wideouts. I won’t disagree that it wouldn’t be nice to start 11 All-Pros on each side of the ball, but it isn’t going to happen and we couldn’t afford it if we had the opportunity. At the moment wide receiver isn’t in the top three of our areas of concern, so getting Jackson would kind of like finding a cure for a disease that hasn’t been discoved yet.
+1
We’ve been down this road before. I’ll take our no-name receivers over a diva any day. Besides, I think Nicks is going to have an outstanding year.
+1
well said… this argument is never going to get old.
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 6, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, I just did way too much reading..lol
Ok, of everyone who caught a pass last year, only 3 players had a better average per pass with at least 20 receptions than Nicks. Admittedly, one of those is VJ. However, none of those players had as many YAC as Nicks did. And out of the players that did have more YAC, only 4 had less receptions as him. All 4 of them are RBs. Keep in mind, that was his rookie season.
I understand the thinking of putting a great player on our team, but we already have great players at that position that come at a much cheaper price, and with less baggage. And if they want to single cover them, we have a Manning brother with a SB ring that’ll be happy to expose it.
Here’s a link, if ya wanna double check my research. Lord knows I’m not reading through that again. lol
WR's
If there is any position that I am completely comfortable with going into the season it is the WR’s… Not sure why we would even think about spending $$$$$$$$ on one.
Nicks and ’Ham will improve this year, and while Smith may not have the year he had last year, he will be solid too.
Go Big Blue!
Speaking of Smith
He caught a few passes this preseason downfield and actually ran with the ball instead of falling immediately. That’ll raise your fantasy value. lol
good
cause he is one of my fantasy wideouts
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 6, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
We are not thinking about it
I think we pretty much have the team now that we are going with. Talent isn’t lacking. Hopefully they feel like playing this year. Injuries and lack of interest killed us last year. We seem healthy and upgraded already. But the way their concentration drifted last year, if that is fixed, we can probably stop tweaking.
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I largely agree with you...
though I’ll feel better if we have at least a running back on the Practice Squad to fill the remaining vacancy. We’re carrying only Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ware, all of whom have had injury problems in the past, along with our new return man who is listed as a running back, but really is more a special teams ace. But for the majority of the team, I think with Sage on the roster and Bomar on the PS, quarterback is set. Also the addition of Andrews has helped with the offensive line and Booth should be back midway as well. The wide receivers seem to be a strength offensively and defensively, we have a lot of talent on the line and in the secondary. At linebacker we at least have numbers, and hopefully we’ll find quality as well. Tynes seems to have elevated his kickoff game, which was much needed, Dodge I think will be two steps forward, one step back for awhile, but he’s got a leg at punter. Hopefully the trade with Minnesota has cleaned up our problem with returns. And I’ve got to think Fewell is a huge upgrade over last year too, so if the team is healthy and motivated, I think we have a lot of reasons to be optomistic.
thought about it
but he got beat out by Mike Williams, he didn’t even play in the nfl last year. And barely played before that. Plus, I think he still gets 7 mil from seattle this year, so they could have kept him. so i think he might be done, and if he isn’t , I still don’t think he improves our WR corps
he would want more $$ than what he's worth
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
though about it
but he got beat out by Mike Williams, he didn’t even play in the nfl last year. And barely played before that. Plus, I think he still gets 7 mil from seattle this year, so they could have kept him. so i think he might be done, and if he isn’t , I still don’t think he improves our WR corps
tj?? no thanks
I like what we have at WR, that guy is a problem.
whats up with jacobs??
is he really gonna pull this crap 1 week b4 we get it goin?
jacobs
he got the $$$$ but i think he needs to be the man. worrisome cuz i can see him with a confidence prob. i ‘d love to see him get po’d and play like a beast.
I honestly would like to see someone blow him up
so he can get embarrassed and pissed at the same time…
so maybe someone can literally knock some sense back into him…so he won’t run so scurred
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
I guess Cordle
Made the practice squad because Ohara going to be resting quite a bit between games. The ankle must be tenuous. Much like Plax a few years ago
You guys pretty much covered it all
No sense adding my two cents..Y’all already did
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Lack of Urgency and Passion
This is unrelated to all the past comments, but I was reading an article a few days ago where Peirce was interviewed. He said that he predicted the RedSkins were going to win the NFC East. I hope, and I think it might have been, Antonio trying to give the Giants something to be pissed about and maybe give them a wakeup call and a spark to play the way that they could and should be playing with the amount of talent on this team. He also talked about the lack of leadership on the team which in my mind is a big problem in recent years (One of theire biggest problems actually). Since the retirement of Peirce and Strahan, noone has stepped up and filled their shoes. Even tho Rolle is new to the team, I think he is a great candidate to take on the leadership Rolle…he is a probowl veteran player, he hits hard and he is a playmaker. He would be a great influence and can lead by example. Also, I think we should pick up Peirce as a linebacker’s coach, anyone else agree/disagree??
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