Darius Reynaud, A Vikings Perspective
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2010 7:47 AM EDT
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You guys seem more fired up about the New York Giants' acquisition of kick return specialist Darius Reynaud from Minnesota than you do about the arrival of Sage Rosenfels as backup quarterback. I happen to agree, since you need a kick returner in every game, the Giants did not have one, and Reynaud has shown to be a good in two seasons with the Vikings.
I know why the Vikings parted with Rosenfels, but I was really curious why they were willing to gave Reynaud to the Giants. So, I reached to the fine folks over at SB Nation's Vikings website, The Daily Norseman. Christopher Gates, head honcho at the Norseman, sent me the following response:
"I honestly think that the Vikings tried to find a spot for Reynaud any way that they could, but he just didn't distinguish himself in the way he needed to to secure a roster spot. In his first two years with the Vikings, he was listed as a WR, though he didn't actually have any catches during the regular season, and was shifted to running back this year when it appeared that the Vikings' WR depth chart was getting crowded.
"Reynaud is a pretty good return man . . .his main issue is staying healthy, and he's had a case of the fumbles more than once. If he can stay healthy, he'll be a very good return man for the Giants. He's missed games in both of his first two seasons with injuries, but he's very fast and has good moves in the open field. I guess he was just the odd man out of the running back battle that was taking place in Minnesota."
By the way, lots of the commenters at 'Norsemen' are not too happy about losing Reynaud.
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I like getting Reynaud..We desperately ned a good return guy..
ut I don’tke getting Sage..I hope Bomar stays put…SR is brain dead when pressured
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"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Just like
our kickoff coverage Bobbi! They better get that under control very quickly, unless Tynes kicks 80% for touchbacks, and that ain’t happening. I could live with 25-35% touchbacks.
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by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the idea of having someone competent returning kicks
though I have to wonder if our struggles haven’t been more blocking related than anything else. I mean, we have a couple of pretty explosive players (granted, nobody wants to see Hakeem Nicks blow out his knee returning kicks, and Bradshaw’s likely our feature back now, but Manningham or others seem to have the necessary skills), but we’ve struggled returning kicks for a while now.
I also wonder who’s spot Reynaud is going to take? It seemed like our wide receiver/running backs spots were already overflowing, and now we add another guy to the mix.
I’m not saying I don’t like this trade – I do. Anytime you can add talent to your team at a very low cost like that, you do it. I just wanted to highlight some of the legitimate concerns about the trade that I haven’t really seen addressed.
2009 Did Not Happen
If he struggles like the other returners have then it's going to be open season on Tom Quinn
Special teams have been terrible for all the time he’s been here. If a proven return man fails to rectify the situation, then the responsibility for the failure falls at his feet. He’s been given a pretty free pass considering just how bad they have been and he has earned the criticism he has coming.
it's already open season
IMO, this was a wasted move. I hope I’m wrong, but as long as the rest of our ST unit performs like it does, we could sign Josh Cribbs and watch him get thumped at the 15 for the rest of the year.
Quinn has been a weak link for some time now, he must have some dirt on the Mara’s and Tisch’s
I hope you and I are wrong
because I agree with you that this wasn’t the best of moves. I would undo the trade if I could. I don’t think the returner alone will make a big diffrence nor will the QB vs. Bomar. If either QB had to play much, we probably aren’t going to be but one and done in the playoffs.
I think Quinn hanging around is just another sign of TC being loyal to a fault. It’s the lack of fan noise about this guy that I find surprising. He deserves some Kevin Gilbride kind of love!!!
I don't see how this could be considered a bad move.
We don’t have a kick returner, at all.
You’re point about our severe lack of ability to block for kickoffs is valid, but would you rather have a specialist back there to take this inevitable pounding, or one AB1, MM, or Aaron Ross?
Reynaud was a fourth round pick, we got him for a fifth, not a bad move at all.
As far as Sage goes, the draft pick we sent to the Vikings for him is dependent on his playing time. When taking Eli’s durability into consideration, it will likely be a seventh rounder. Not bad when considering all the reports out of Minnesota had him outplaying Jackson this preseason, meaning he would have been the starter had Favre not returned, something Bomar surely could not have done.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
agree with tito
also Flynner, you’re underestimating the ability of a good kick returner to make up for special teams mistakes. some of the best kick and punt returns in history were 90% the returner, making guys miss, reversing the field, and breaking ankles. hopefully Reynaud will do alot of that this year.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
you guys have valid points and I agree with some of them but also have the following loose thoughts
I think why I’ve reacted the way I have is because if you want a return man go get a return man. It appeared like he was thrown into a deal for the QB which I don’t think was a priority w/ Bomar onboard.
I haven’t seen much of Rosenfel before and didn’t think he was that highly regarded or else why would MINN let him go with Favre not playing forever? If he’s that good, are we in for a Leinart problem where he really wants to be a starter?
I agree that a good return man can make people miss, but the way our ST parts like the Red Sea, a Pro Bowler can get killed (e.g. DJ Ware’s injuries; not that he’s PB caliber)
No I don’t want to see MM, Ross, AB or any key player take vicious hits like we’ve been seeing the runner taking. The risk to reward just isn’t there (e.g. Sehorn)
The horse is out of the barn, so we’ll just have to wait and see if things pan out like management hopes. Have a good long weekend!!!
Kick Returner?
He’s returned 12 kicks in his NFL career. It’s not a big enough sample to determine his effectiveness as a KRer.
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Punt Returner
in 30 punt return attempts he fumbled 3 times. Not a very good percentage.
Useless trade.
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who says
this guy is a capable KRer? He’s returned kickoffs 12 times in his career. I’d rather give an explosive guy like Cruz time to develop then some guy with limited experience and fumbling issues.
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Frank I'm sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever.
You would rather give Cruz, who has exactly no experience, and fumbled away the first opportunity he was given to return punts time to develop (on an already less than stellar special teams unit) than Darius Reynaud, a guy who has definitely proven he can take kicks back, and although it’s not much experience, it’s more than any other three guys on this team.
You’re complaining the guys has limited experience and fumbling issues, yet your alternative solution is to give the job to a guy that has literally no experience, and fumbling issues. Just doesn’t make sense.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything
it’ll probably be someone like Victor Cruz who’s spot will be taken. As likely the 6th WR anyway, he ain’t gonna have a real role in the offense, and he didn’t show anything for the return game or else they’d never get Reynaud.
You raise someintersting points hr CJ..
I don’t like getting SR…and I hope this doesn’t result in us losing GJ..Also, somebody cut their special teams captain but l’ll be dagonned if I can remember who…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Judging by
Mr. Gates (I don’t mean Bill) assessment, could be a helpful returner, but this line has me somewhat concerned from Gates. “and he’s had a case of the fumbles more than once. If he can stay healthy, he’ll be a very good return man for the Giants”.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Keep Bomar as 3rd QB
Rosenfels is 32 and will never get better. Bomar is 25 and can continue to improve; if he shows as much progress 2010-2011 as he did 2009-2010, he will be better than Rosenfels. They will have the young homegrown backup they have been trying to develop.
Mickey C
TE
the Giants will either resign Bear or pick up another TE. I don’t see how we can go into the season with Boss and Beckum as our TEs?
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Just Great
We secure a roster spot for a KR who’s "pretty good’ with fumbling issues.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Viking trade
We(Giants) really needed special teams help and a seasoned backup QB we got both, why you got rid of either of these guys is beyond me, probably the best you get is 5th and 6th round picks for them. You got rid of a really good return guy and kept T-jackoff as your backup QB-How’s that going to work if Favre goes down. This was a really foolish move by Childress, especially hanging on to his boy T-jack.
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