NFL Roster Cuts: Who Will Be The Giants' 53, Open Thread
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2010 10:26 AM EDT
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[UPDATE, 09/04/10 4:31 PM EDT: Jay Alford has been cut. Have to say I called this one. Tough break for a guy who looked like he was on the verge of becoming a good player before getting hurt a year ago.]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 3:40 PM EDT: Defense end Alex Hall has been released. My guess is Jerry Reese is working the phones trying to get draft picks in return for a few guys as the 6 p.m. ET deadline approaches. ]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 2:03 PM EDT: Another roster stunner as Derek Hagan has been cut; Jerome Johnson and Nate Collins released. ]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 12:59 PM EDT: Mike Garafolo tweets that Rhett Bomar will be waived. Have not seen that anywhere else yet, but MG never gets these things wrong. Lot of things happening with this roster I would not have expected 24 hours ago.]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 12:46 PM EDT: The latest cut is offensive lineman Jacob Bender. ]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 11:33 AM EDT: Tim Brown and Gartrell Johnson waived. It is looking like Rhett Bomar will make the final cut.]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 10:42 AM EDT: Bear Pascoe and Scott Chandler both waived; Also Tommie Hill and Dominic Randolph. Absolutely stunned by the release of Pascoe, leaving only Kevin Boss and Travis Beckum as tight ends.]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 10:23 AM EDT: John Busing, Dennis Landolt, Jim Cordle have been cut. Busing will be a surprise to some, but I didn't have him on my final 53.]
[UPDATE, 09/04/10 9:47 AM EDT: Defensive tackle Dwayne Hendricks has been waived. ]
NFL teams have to set their 53-man rosters by 6 p.m. ET this evening. Who will be on the New York Giants' 53-man roster?
We know Sage Rosenfels and Darius Reynaud will be after Friday night's trade with Minnesota, and Rhett Bomar most likely won't be. There are, however, lots of other questions.
Can they find roster space for 10 defensive linemen? Will they bring in a kick returner off the waiver wire? A backup cornerback? Will they release a running back? A linebacker like Gerris Wilkinson or Bryan Kehl? Who will the backup offensive linemen be?
Even once the rosters are set this evening, there is likely to be some shuffling for a couple of days as teams see which players hit the waiver wire.
Use this as your 53-man roster Open Thread for the day. I will try to update it, but if you see news of roster cuts feel free to drop them in the comment. I may start a new thread along the way if the news warrants it, but for now the plan is to just keep the updates here.
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We can't cut any linebackers.....
We need them all for the 3-4 defense!
Seriously though I think Bomar will likely be gone. The gamble to keep only two quarterbacks is a much better one with an experienced game proven guy like Sage.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 4, 2010 6:16 AM EDT reply actions
Completely unrealistic to cut Bomar
I’ll just repeat what I heard a smart NFL expert say on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday: Even if the Giants bring in a veteran QB, Bomar will still be Eli’s backup. The Giants offense requires the QB to make a LOT of decisions and calls at the line, and it is completely unrealistic to expect a guy to come in at this point and be able to run the offense.
Now, it is certainly possible that as the year goes on, Bomar might not dress on game day, but there is no shot he isn’t on the roster.
+1
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I think it will happen though.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 4, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Bummed
I liked the progression Bomar was making.
I think TC just doesn’t like young guys out there.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
i keep hearing this coughlin doesnt like rookies and i cant help but laugh on another blog i belive it was blue screen a commenter put up stats with coaches from the 80’s 90’s and 2000’s and outa the coaches he used " bill walsh bb parcells jimmy johnson and a few others tommy boy actually has started more rookies then any other coach this poster looked up so i have to say coughlin not starting rookies is more myth then people realize
Link please
I have to tell you that I keep reading this and there never was any king of hard facts to back it up so I’m interested …
Bomar is not game ready. Coughlin would not start him over Sage if Eli got hurt.
Rhett is 25 years old so he has virtually no chance to ever take over for Eli who is only 29.
The Giants will likely keep only two quarterbacks so Bomar will be cut. I think Bomar is a gamer and might just mature enough to be a good backup or even a starter somewhere but it won’t be here.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 4, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
so Sage can learn the offense and the Giants language
in less time than Bomar did in the preseason?
3 QBs IMO
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
He only needs to learn it before Eli gets hurt.
And with Eli’s record so far that’s a reasonable gamble. Certainly better than a total unknown like Bomar who might just trip over the sideline on his first run to the huddle in a real game.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
okay its fair to say that Eli is a durable work horse
but I don’t get the knock on Bomar, he’s a baller from what we’ve seen of him during the preseason, I understand that he’s younger than Eli by not that much, so yes fair excuse if Gmen decide to let him go, b/c he may not be the successor to Eli, but I think as a serviceable backup – that he can be! As for doing it right away? like you mentioned Eli is a durable workhorse, you really think Sage will be that much better and Bomar has wheels unlike Sage. So if there’s no play on a receiver he can try to run it. I say it’s a toss up either way, doesn’t guarantee anything with either Sage or Bomar. Sage has the experience for granted not in the Giants system & Bomar (even though it’s only preseason) does have a very limited experience in that same system. If they can sneak him to PS…then that would be the best thing for him…and that could very well happen. But I still think they keep 3 QBs.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
That's why he's here
Let’s face it: he’d be the third-string running back or the seventh-string wide receiver AT BEST if he was to make this team as an offensive player. Given his ability to explode when he’s in the open field, and the fact that the team struggled to return kicks all preseason, he’s probably going to be one of our return-men against Carolina on opening day.
I knew that
I was curious what his position was on special teams defense
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
I don't know why you assume Bomar is a goner ...
as the Giants have had 3 QB’s on the roster before under TC. I think it was more of a case of not having a developmental QB worth a roster spot the last two years. Certainly not Woodson, and not Bomar last year, but Bomar has finally shown something, and that’s why they can’t stash him on the PS this year.
Besides, a lot of the other guys on the bubble will still be available later in the year if they get cut now, should a need arise.
That was before they realized Eli had adamantium fused to his skeleton
completely unnecessary to carry 3 QB’s.
It will be the end of someone like Alford too, all just to have someone who can test out the NFL licensed jackets for the winter
LOL ! Had to look that one up in the "fictionary" ...
Eli does seem damn durable, but JTMacc had a good point above. Bomar may not be ready to win a game in the NFL, but he may be better than Sage for the next few as Sage learns the vaunted KG “offensive” package.
If they see enough in Bomar to develop into the #2 for 2011 and beyond, I’m guessing they keep him. Then they can go back to 2 QB’s. If not, no reason to carry him anyway. Maybe they get lucky and can sneak him onto the PS.
Or maybe Andre Brown gets the PUP listing...
He’s going to miss at least two weeks with turf toe anyways, which would force him to miss the first six weeks. Bomar gets carried for those six, and depending on the injury situations and his further development, maybe he sticks after that and Brown takes another slot. It makes us thin at running back, but the new kick returner can be an emergency fill in there, if needed.
what Shof you're not a nerd like the rest of us?
Eli also has 3 retractable claws in both arms, that extend upon mental thought. that’s how he was able to escape that sack in the Super Bowl. Watch the replay if you don’t believe….
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
God forbid.
It will be the end of someone like Alford too,
I hope not.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 4, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't understand this big Alford push
i love the guy too, but if he was on another team, and you’d never heard of him, and you went to there fanpage and read all the love for him, then looked at his stats, you’d be like “I don’t get it.”
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
You are right to a degree. Scroll down a little more to find out why I think he should stay.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 4, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
good points L-Tech
my rebutt is that if there weren’t such a log jam at that position, i’d love him to stay. but he’s fallen so far on the depth chart(Bernard’s jumped him at this point) that i can’t even see him making an impact this year if he stays.
i also think we romanticize him because of his man rape of pretty boy Brady, sort of how we hold up Tyree to a higher standard now because of his SB performance. but outside of that one play, and the following camp where he was supposed to be a man possessed until his injury, what has he really done in a blue uni to warrant him being put in the untouchable category?
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I see your point W22.
but outside of that one play, and the following camp where he was supposed to be a man possessed until his injury, what has he really done in a blue uni to warrant him being put in the untouchable category?
I don’t have an answer for that question. Alford’s name doesn’t come up much when it comes to making BIG plays and without that kind of supporting evidence to produce, I can’t really make a case for the guy aside from what I have already stated below.
i also think we romanticize him
I will give you that as well. Alford is a native of Orange, NJ which is the next town over form where I grew up. He is one of the fan favorites in this area so I will concede that I am probably being biased in my desire to see him stay with us.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't agree with you more about...
Alford’s name doesn’t come up much when it comes to making BIG plays
I was among a small number of people saying last year that, apart from the sack in the Super Bowl, Alford had done all that much. Sometimes BBV users see the world through blue-tinted glasses though.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing to romanticize
He is the 2nd best pass rushing DT on the team.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but they drafted a tackle in the 2nd round
further pushing him down the bench. i love him too guys, just trying to look at it realistically.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
"i don't understand this big Alford push"
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i know tito
so i do understand it to a degree. but as Big Boy says, this is a cut throat business. and what has he done for me lately? sorry big Jay…..
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Agree with you, Free.
It is a reasonable strategy to keep only two QB’s these days. Especially since Eli does not appear to be injury prone.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 4, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
waiver process
can they remove someone from the waiver wire if a claim is put in?
or is that person a goner once claimed?
can they try to move Bomar to the PS and see what happens, then pull him back if he gets claimed?
If he's claimed he's lost
it would kind of defeat the purpose if you dangled a guy out there and then “hah, just kidding!”. That’s the risk involved in trying to sneak someone onto the practice squad.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it'll be
QBs-3
RBs-4 (no ware, gartrell)
WRs-6 (big 3 + barden, cruz, hagan)
TEs-3 (either Beckum is in or they DL him and take Chandler)
OL-8 (Big 5 + Beatty, Andrews, Koates)
DL-10 (Tuck, Cofield, Canty, Osi, JPP, Anvil, Rocky, Kiwi, Alford, Tolly)
LBs-6 (Bully, Goff, Boley, Sintim, Dillard, Kehl)
CBs-4 (Web, TT, Ross, BJ)
Safeties-4 (Rolle, KP, DG, MJ)
STs- 3
That total comes to 51…I think we have the luxury of actually adding 2 players. Or i may be forgetting a couple people which would complicate things.
Not sure we can afford to keep 10 DL
And only 8 OL. I expect us to hold on to Petrus. Beckum doesn’t have a roll in this system, that’s cause for concern, if we really need the roster spots
Also not sure why Bomar would be a good fit right now for some other teams squad?
He doesn’t know their playbooks, signals, calls anything basically. He will not be an impact type of player, let alone a 2nd stringer for another team. Now if I’m confused here let me know, but I can’t see why a player on the practice squad could be snatched up and stashed on another teams practice squad. He would have to make the 53 man roster right? I just don’t see Rhett being able to step into a number 2 role or heck even a number 3 roll, except for the Giants as head familiar with the offense. I think we could get him on the practice squad.
I think you're probably correct...
And with the trade, the Giants have pretty much said “he’s not ready”, and most teams already have their developmental quarterback project, or would want to draft their heir apparent. I think that Bomar has talent, but he’s probably worth more to the Giants to anyone else at the moment. If another team has just gone through the preseason and sees a need at quarterback, it’s unlikely that it’ll be for someone who has never played a down in an NFL game and is from a different team and system.
good list, but
add Petrus to the OL
add Busing to safety
add Blackburn to LB
remove one DL – either Alford or Tolly. I guess it is Tolly who goes but dunno. Coefield is gone after this year so Aford may be needed and he also long snaps. Tolly is great on special teams and can play LB in some defenses.
Or maybe Koets goes and they keep 8 OL
to be honest with you
If any DL goes…I think it’s cofield. Remember, that was the plan last year before all the injuries and he was the last man standing.
Cofield was never on the way out
until they listened to offers during the draft..even then still not “trying” to trade him.
He’s a RFA, so they’d try and get something for him, but he’s a starter..he’s going nowhere.
you're probably right
I can’t remember the specifics. But I sorta remember cofield and robbins worried about their jobs when canty and rocky came. The giants said don’t worry, but I thought that was more to get his mind back on playing football. And even though he’s a starter now, I don’t see much of a drop off between him and the other DL.
it was Robbins
who’s contract was up and he really didn’t recover from the microfracture surgery after 08.
Cofield’s a solid DT. Not the superstar Robbins was, but pretty much does his job and holds up blockers.
I think
Alford, Whimper and Wilkinson (latest injury) will go, think will keep Bomar though. It’s not as if they are unhappy with him, let him grow. Had a chance to pick up a veteran with
a lot of game experience. I could be wrong here, my gut says keep Bomar.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Still hard to believe ...
that Rocky Bernard is more valuable than Alford.
Alford is still recovery from his surgery.
He hasn’t had enough time to work out all of the kinks in his body. I like Benard’s performance in the preseason but my question with him is will he catty that over in to the regular season. When Alford went down, the DL went soft. Not because of lack of effort (well for some) but because the absence Alford and his contributions. Alford also help us seal that SB win so it would be in the Giants best interest to really think hard when his name comes up in the cutting process.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Tolly's not going anywhere
he’s a valuable commodity on the line and special teams, something we’re weak at already. he does everything he’s asked, and is a very decent backup.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Sage is a Hall of Fame Quaterback
Its not everday you can trade for a HOF QB
http://www.jewishsports.org/jewishsports/detail.asp?sp=56
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
lol
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think Reese will make another trade...
and try to recoup the draft picks he sent off to Minnesota. We have the depth in a couple of places to do it..
DJ Ware
anyone? They could move him liked they moved Grant a few years ago.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
I like DJ but I think that he is expendable.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 4, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Broncos could use a RB
And we could use a CB they have too many and are gonna have to cut a pretty good one we should offer DJ Ware for Alphonso Smith or one of their other CBs
by michaelkhan3 on Sep 4, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
can't do that
Giants need 3 RB’s and Andre Brown is hurt again for a couple weeks.
If they can get Smith for Gartrell Johnson that’s great, but they can’t trade Ware at this point.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
so do they carry 5 RB's then?
Remember, Reynaud is listed as a RB now, not a wideout anymore. so that would mean having big boy, AB1 and 2, Ware, and Reynaud…that’s alot of backs!
but honestly, if we cut Ware, i think he’ll be picked up immediately by someone. the talent is there, just not the consistency.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Reynaud doesn't really count tho
he’s gotta be listed as something, but he’s really a returner only
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard he's a pretty good scat back.
From the Daily Norseman.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
true
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know
but he will be listed as something, so i wonder if that will matter to the organization, is what i’m saying. will TC look at it as carrying 5 backs, or will he look at it like we are?
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
would he be finicky enough to look at it like that?
I dunno why he’d cut an actual RB just cuz Reynaud has to be listed as one.
From his WVU days he was a stone handed WR who did most of his damage off wildcat reverses. What’s that listed as?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
seems like it'll be a DeOssie situation
if they can carry however many LB’s with DeOss listed as one, I don’t think its a problem for Reynaud either.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, since we have no cap this year ...
and the brass seems in a generous mood to IR Moss rather than an injury settlement, couldn’t a few guys land on the PUP list (the remaining “Disabled List” option that doesn’t mean they’re gone for the season), like Beckum and Barden.
Then you get to see where you get injuries during first 6 weeks, and who can perform against real competition before you have to commit to the 53-man roster for the stretch run.
Interesting strategy
Not sure what the downside is to this – unless you PUP a ST star, but neither Beckum nor Barden is that.
Maybe add Wilkinson or Kehl to that list rather than cut one of them
I agree Truegreatestgianttowearthenumber85....
Earlier in the thread I made that case for Andre Brown, who is already out for a couple of weeks minimum with his turf toe (and it probably wouldn’t hurt to give the Achilles more time either) as a way of keeping Bomar on the roster, as Sage won’t know the playbook on day one anyways. Certainly a possibility that they get creative with the PUP list.
Sorry, I missed that one ...
but I like your reasoning. It might also be a way of keeping Gartrell or Ware after the trade for Reynaud.
Im not sure about the PUP list rules but i dont think any players that were practising during camp can be put on the PUP otherwise why would we put Sorgi on IR when he had a chance of being ready for week 6 and if he wasnt we could then put him on IR
by michaelkhan3 on Sep 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Put Sorgi
on IR because they think he is going to need surgery, incorrect about PUP, anytime before the first game of the season someone can be put on PUP.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
No I was right
“A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster, even if they take part in only the first few minutes of the first practice.”
by michaelkhan3 on Sep 4, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I know the internet isnt exactly the best place for looking for these rules. But im asking people to make sure but I really think that is right.
Ed if u know if this id right or not please clarify
by michaelkhan3 on Sep 4, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not claiming to be an authority on technical issues either...
but after thinking about it, I think your interpretation might make more sense.
Ya it is
Mike Garafolo just confirmed what i found earlier
by michaelkhan3 on Sep 4, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the good thing
about life, learn something new every day I guess. I know Sharper was put on PUP yesterday by the Saints, thought he was on active roster?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for sharing your findings...
Obviously this isn’t the part of the game that we get a lot of exposure to as fans. Good for you for getting the confirmation and thank you for the education lesson!
Keep an eye some of the other potential cuts around the league ...
Justin Hartwig is rumored to be a possible cut in PIT. He’s 31, but O’Hara is 33. If our non-starters were Hartwig, Beatty & Andrews to start the season, I’d feel like we had more depth on the O-line than I can ever remember.
Also, the Eagles seem to be doing the same thing to ...
the other Andrews Sister, Stacey. They just acquired a starting guard from the Cards. They paid Stacey a $4.1MM roster bonus this spring, too. Like a mini-Haynesworth.
Hartwig is really bad
I’d prefer Koats who at least knows the offense.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I noticed
D. Ward signed with the Texans. I remember telling my brother when D. Ward was a free agent, I thought the Texans would be a good fit. If he would have signed there to begin with, probably be starting, with Slaton as a changeup and third down back. Let’s not forget he was a 1,000 yard rusher here, but I never thought he would be coming back here, after he was cut, that ship had sailed.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
landolt and busing cut as well
bringing our total to 4, out of 24…joy o joy
Busing was cut
after missing open field tackle against Pats, and the kid goes another 60 yards for a TD.
I said right there, ode to Hawk, “he gone”.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
wow..
bear pascoe was just cut, along with with scott chandler, and tommie hill
pascoe is the first big suprise for me here
and dominic randolph
this one however, not much of a suprise
Probably
hoping one of those TE’s clears waivers, then they “could” bring one back.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Link?
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Link to that news? Its not on Giants.com
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
link
http://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/giants
most of these are coming from garafolo and vacchiano
Got it
from Mike G., the guy works harder than any Giant beat writer, IMO!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Not a fan of this move
Chandler, meh, guess they still like Beckum. But Pascoe? I can’t wrap my mind around that.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
you had to know Beckum was staying
i kept reading these Beckum must be cut posts, but you can’t cut a one year 3rd round pick. it doesn’t happen.
they still need to get Bear back tho. i always feel you need at least 3 TE’s on a team.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Hoping he clears waivers
I think, at the very least, can be on practice squad. I think this means Bomar is going to make the team, I hope he does.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
bear? really? wow!
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
STUNNED
Bear cut? I’m absolutely stunned. WTF has Beckum done, outside of being drafted, to warrant a roster spot?????/
I have to admit. These type of things don’t usually upset me. I realize team management is obviously more tuned into what these guys are doing but in this case… COME ON………. Give me a EFFing break.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
We need a blocking TE ASAP
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Extra OL
My suspicion is that they’ll leverage the surplus OL talent for short-yardage.
Wait
Bear is gone?
That doesn’t make sense. Isn’t Beckum still injured?
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
one can only assume
that they were not satisfied with bear as a blocker…
that or they figured they had to keep bomar, and he could be the blocking TE too
Blocker?
makes no sense. Beckum isn’t a blocker. This means one thing. They drafted Beckum but didn’t draft Bear. It’s about saving face.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Was that
#68, “is an elgible receiver”, kept hearing that the other night, didn’t know who the hell it was.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I was getting the radio feed and they didn't mention it...
but Herb Taylor is the lineman who was filling in when there were no tight ends and it might have been.
I heard he was cut because his initials are BP
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
David
I mean Travis Beckum is suppose to be back this week, will he learn to block by then?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
how many more
We need to cut? I’m pulling for Rhett to make it
by Eli10 on Sep 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why would Busing surpise anyone?
i thought he was horrible in coverage, he didn’t impress me at all.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
he had blown a few assignments and not impressive enough to make the team
I think Rashad is better, but even he will prob be PS fodder
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
does JR know this? :)
looks like he got some games started experience with the Bears last year…not bad – 4 games – 15 tackles, 1 sack…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
always...
could be a numbers game, could be they wanted to go a different direction with the role & all of a sudden he wasn’t a fit for it (whether it was his actual lack of ability, lack of picking up schemes), maybe it came down to him and another person and he was the odd man out…
1 thing I do know – is he has 4 games started experience…no matter how he got it, he has it (real game experience)…and not bad stats… avg of a little over 3 tackles a game at safety…and we don’t even have the minutes he played in those games, etc.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I'm not saying we get him, but I'm sure JR is looking into it...
afterall the Giants don’t leave any stone unturned.. (as per TC)
I’m just learning who the guy is… he may not be better than our 3rd or 4th stringers currently on the roster…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I'm not saying we get 5 safeties, I'm cool with 4
I’m just saying Rashad will be released to but will make PS, I think he’s better than Busing…but if Afalava is better than him, then just get him for PS…I’m just looking at places we can get better at, not necessarily for the 53 man roster… in this specific case
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I don't think he can go to the PS
and besides why wouldn’t the bears put him on their PS?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you're right, forgot about that...we would need to put him on our 53
ehh, who is this Alfalfa character anyways? we don’t need a 5th safety
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
SS for the Bears
Appearently expendable with the drafting of Major Wright and the pickup of Chris Harris
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Major Wright
was one of the guys I wanted the Gmen to draft, but I did have Chad Jones higher at the top of my list…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
and Wright was drafted one spot ahead of Jones
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that baffled me...
for Safety – I had it Berry, Thomas, CJones, MBurnett, MWright, Stuckey, NateAllen, etc…yada yada….
if I recall correctly…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I doubt that
I think MJ would be gone.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
drafted Major Wright
and he’s probably gonna play a bunch
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Bear?
really?
Hopefully it means that Beckum is finally healthy. Really love to get him out on the field and add another dimension to the O.
And I guess they’re wasting the roster spot with 3 QB’s. ANd it probably cost Bear a roster spot. Nice job…..
you don't want Bomar to stick?
what’s Sage’s contract situation? if he’s signed past this year then i say see ya to Rhett. if he’s only a one year rental, then i’d keep Rhett around, and groom him. i think he could be a decent backup in this league, with time and proper coaching.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Sage is signed
thru 2011, if there is a 2011? He signed a two year deal with Vikes.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
No
I want Bomar on the team. I don’t want 3 QB’s cuz its gonna cost someone..like Bear Pascoe, a roster spot.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
much rather see Bomar
as the backup and come in a blowout game and get some work. They increase his value and get traded, like like AJ Feeley, Matt Schaub..etc.
He was a 5th rounder so if in the future he nets a 4th or higher, that’s a successful pick.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Brown
and G. Johnson, bring your playbook, think they will try to bring back Brown on PS, if he clears waivers.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Bomar carries himself pretty well and he is unafraid.
That said, his side arm tendency will lower his trade value. Bad throwing motions are hard to correct.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
Agee
I’m no expert, but I did stay at a Holliday Inn Express last night, but I think that’s why he gets wild high. He gets under the ball.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
WTF?
Figure out what that means. Bomar must be kept as a developing player. Sorry about Gartrell, still think this is a mistake. Someone will pick him up. If they keep Ware my head will explode, he is another player cannot stay healthy. It is double secret exploding about keeping Beckum. I do not get this at all, throwing valuable roster space after bad. Worse, how can they get rid of Pascoe? The guy is a decent blocker, worked his butt off in camp for them, can catch a bit. And lets go back to they are keeping WARE!!!???#@#$!. They must have a deal in mind since Beckum could not block my Grandma and she is no longer with us. JR is a smart guy but some of these moves totally dismay and astound me. I hope he has something up his sleeve. Tim Brown, hope he makes the practice squad.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
BTW
Sage Rosenfels sounds like a name that would have been a nice guy drug dealer at Woodstock!
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
not gonna be around to see the final 53
but just wanted to get my 2 cents in now
Gartrell & Bear – wanted to see them here. Bear may get to the practice squad but Gartrell will get picked up by another team.
3 QBs – no real problem with that, they had 3 in 2007 so whatever similar things I see to that year is fine by me (terrible logic I know)
Beckum & Barden – of course they are gonna be on the team, question is have they gotton any better…. like how to block
D-line – don’t see 10 guys, have no idea who gets cut
LBs – just keep throwing bodies out there, someone will stick sooner or later
Cruz – thats all that needs to be said…. CRUZZZZZZZZZZZZ
RBs – hope Brown is healthy, Ware is not one of my favs to make the team
Specials – looks like we may have a returner and gunner to improve that BAD unit
Thats all for now…. the staff I hope will make the right choices
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 4, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
it only comes down to the DL - they can't keep 10 - can they?
I say they trade/cut one of these three (bernard, tolly, alford)
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I guess they do keep 10 DL
updated 53 man roster:
QBs – 3 – eli, sage, rhett
RBs – 4 – jacobs, bradshaw, andre brown, ware
WRs – 6 – smith, manningham, nicks, cruz, hagan, barden
TEs – 2 – boss, beckum
OL – 9 – snee, seubert, o’hara, mckenzie, diehl, beatty, andrews, koates, petrus
DL – 10 – tuck, cofield, canty, osi, kiwi, jpp, joseph, bernard, tolly, alford
LBs – 7 – bulluck, goff, boley, sintim, dillard, kehl, wilkinson
CBs – 4 – webster, ross, tt, bj
Safeties – 4 – rolle, kp, grant, mj
STs – 4 – tynes, deossie, dodge, reynaud
total= 53
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Why do so many people forget about Hedgecock?
I guess Bomar could take over lead blocking in the running game.
Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions
by Mother Tucker on Sep 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
dammit! I though I had him in there.... lol
that means they can’t keep 10 DL….aughhh
okay, I’ll just wait till 6pm
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
why the hell are they cutting bear?
if a tight end should get cut it should be beckum. Pascoe played the whole camp and preseason and beckum barley played if he played at all. Keep the guy who earned the spot, not gifted the spot. disappointment with giants gm on that one
Beckum has more talent
You would rather keep someone with significantly less talent? I wonder how your team would look lol. I guess if a QB should be cut, it should be Eli and Bomar should have his spot.
talanted?
beckum can’t block or stay healthy. But i guess on your offense, you’d rather have a talented team that can’t show up. Eli stays healthy dude, so yeah you take him. Eli’s also proven. Beckum hasn’t proven jack. His talent has yet to help the giants. at least pascoe can block
More talent Says who?
because we drafted him? This is pure BS. This is solely about Reese saving face and keeping a draft pick that so far is a @#$% bust.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
If he was saving face
then why cut Jay Alford, a former 3rd rounder? I believe that’s admitting a mistake
slept in....
we made a trade with minn???
what happened??? where am I?
We cut Bear???
WTF is going on !!!!!
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
season's over.
Giants got teh #3 pick and are gonna pick Robert Quinn, DE from UNC or Jared Crick DT from Nebraska.
Passing on Gabe Carimi and Nate Potter cuz they don’t like drafting elite OT’s.
So who is it? I say Quinn, might as well draft a pass rusher every year.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot to mention the Jets/Cowboys Superbowl...
0-0 and cancelled after six overtimes due to disinterest.
haha
niceeee
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 4, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Harry Potter!
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Why keep Beckum?
I would rather keep Pascoe and let Beckum go. I always thought it an odd decision being that Beckum at Wisconsin was a pass catching machine, and TC doesn’t view the TE that way. So…. Why did we draft him again? We don’t even use the guy to catch passes. By Week 4 will we be complaining about the lack of a blocking TE? Curious to say the least.
Beckum wasn't used cuz he was hurt
not cuz he wasn’t being put in the O.
Obviously been hurt again, but maybe he’s not.
Much rather have Beckum then Pascoe if its between the 2.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious to know why Beckum over Bear?
If they would actually throw to the guy, I’m with you. They don’t and always say they have to find a place in the offense for him. Bear blocks right now and Beckum is still learning. Seems backwards to me.
backwards fits right in
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
SAM = WIL
WIL = SAM
LEFT = RIGHT
RIGHT = LEFT
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
gonna have to see if they throw to him
there’s no games of him being really healthy to say they won’t throw to him.
If he’s practicing and healthy, I doubt that they won’t find a spot.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they make use of him
because the dude can definitely work the middle of the field. I doubt the staff will be willing to use him in that capacity. I hope I’m wrong, but past history seems to be on my side.
the difference I think is he's not Boss
he’s not Shockey either, he’s not a blocker.
I loved the pick when they got him cuz they saw the need for an H-Back that it seems every NFL team but the Giants have and use.
I don’t think they’ve drafted a player like Beckum tho, so I dunno really what past you’re referring to.
the past I’m referring to is in general, the unwillingness to use the TE’s in the passing game. Boss could and should put up better numbers than he does, but many times he’s an afterthought.
its just that Bomar really isn't a TE.
Boss is cuz he can block, similar to Shockey.
Bomar is more of a slot WR, more in the Dallas Clark/Chris Cooley mold.
Seriously
what has Beckum done to be classified with more talent?
Coming out of college no one was more talented than Reggie Bush. WTF has he done in the NFL to warrant the 2nd pick.
No offense but enough with the more talented.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
BS
Beckum wasn’t used because he sucked. Eli got the blame but the INT run back by the Eagles inside the Giants 5 last season was entirely Beckum’s fault. I’m 50. I could have broke out of my cut quicker.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
So far, i'm doing pretty good....only 1 wrong.
Obviously I had Pascoe making the squad….and thanks to a yesterday edit, i also cut Busing in favor of Koets.
So far so good….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
wha?? link please?
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
found link
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I'd guess the odds of it are under 25%...
Bomar is more valuable to the Giants than anyone else. He’s never taken a snap in a regular season game, and he’d have no knowledge of another system. Plus most teams already have guys to fill the position as the injuries will really start the attrition later on.
your right
all valid points
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
We got a guy called Jacob Bender?
Or at least had. Never heard of him berfore
Jim Cordle and Jacob Bender
are 2 guys that got waived :)
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
And now who's
Dwayne Hendricks? man theese guys knew from the start that they wouldn’t get on the 53 man rooster wonder what their goal was the practice squad?
Don't they still get paid in full
the minimum salary at least?
That is around 300k for a summer’s workout.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good job
waived Bomar. I’d assume they’ll try and get him on the PS, but good luck with that. Seems they wasted 2 5th rounders for Eli’s Dunkin Donuts chauffeur.
gmen prob asked around and told other teams to let Bomar go to the PS Fodder
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone....
I was outta pocket for a while and I’m coming back and reading all this stuff ….
I can believe Bomar is now waived after ronsenfels….but I was rooting for the kid.
I guess now I gotta her the JR detractors talk about how much that was a wasted pick last year….sighs
I’m also not so sure Tolly makes it since we got this other RB….unless they do cut Ware too
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Ware is probably 100% making the team
Brown will be hurt and they already cut Gartrell.
And Bomar could still make it back to the practice squad. Pretty sure that’s why he was waived instead of outright cut.
Agree with you...
Bomar to practice squad is what they’d have expected before Sorgi got hurt. Hopefully he keeps progressing there and is ready next year.
if he doesn't who would most likely pick Bomar up?
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
IDK, but a lot of QBs are getting waived and released right now...
so options our out there…..his delivery could turn some people off, but he got a quick release so you never know?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Can someone remind me how many can we have for the Practice squad?
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
okay
so going with 8 then…
1. Bomar
2. Gartrell
3. Bear
4. ??
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
you an never tell 27 b/c you never know who gets claimed off waivers...
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
true... just a shot in the dark
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
yeah....problems that come with decent depth...I guess
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
You can't put Gartrell on waivers
he’s played too many games.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't know that
I thought he was still eligible
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Some have made the arguement for Tim Brown...
though I won’t at this point.
Whats the point of drafting QBs
If ur just gonna try to dump them to the PS every season and trade for guys like Sage. Who if Bomar does get waived will go into week one never having looked at most pages of the giants playbook.
nature of the bizness
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
All would have been good if Sorgi didn't get hurt. Paying 4 QB's is probably not in the cards.
If Sorgi was healthy, Bomar would have slipped to the PS because he wouldn’t have had so much playing time/exposure and not getting the NFL minimum (i think around 800k). Giving him another year to develop and really compete for the #2 QB slot next year. It was not realistic that Bomar was going to jump Sorgi tis year for the #2, but Sorgi got hurt, Bomar did OK and we traded for a legit #2 in Sage that is getting paid a lot for a backup. I just dont think the team will pay all of this money for backups/development projects all in one year. Hopefully Bomar slips to the PS at a lower price.
I think the deal is it takes awhile to develop most quarterbacks...
and Bomar wasn’t viewed as an overnight fix. I think the plan was always to have him two yeas on the PS , but with Sorgi hurt and Eli missing time, he played a lot and improved a lot and drew some excitement.
TE
JR must be up to something because we pretty much only have 1 healthy TE for week 1?? I was thinking Bear had a pretty good shot (hopefully he’ll make it to the PS), but now are left for another JR surprise….
just caught that....
what do we have left? like 11 or 12 more cuts?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
ok - I'm going to just check back later...too much excitement
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Whoa....
Hagan supposedly has been cut also according to MG
WTH??
If true, what the hell is going on here?
That one is a shocker to me....
Decent receiver, decent on special teams. No clue!
My Final 53
Quarterback (2): Eli Manning, Sage Rosenfels
Running Back (4): Ahmad Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs, Andre Brown, D.J. Ware
Fullback (1): Madison Hedgecock.
Offensive Line (9): Shaun O’Hara, Chris Snee, Rich Seubert, David Diehl, Kareem McKenzie, William Beatty, Shawn Andrews, Mitch Petrus, Adam Koets or Guy Whimper.
Wide Receiver (6): Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Ramses Barden, Derek Hagan, Victor Cruz.
Tight End (3): Kevin Boss, Travis Beckum, TBD.
Defensive End (4): Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, Mathias Kiwanuka, Jason Pierre-Paul.
Defensive Tackle (5): Chris Canty, Barry Cofield, Rocky Bernard, Linval Joseph, Jay Alford.
Linebacker (7): Michael Boley, Jonathan Goff, Keith Bulluck, Clint Sintim, Chase Blackburn, Bryan Kehl,, Phillip Dillard.
Cornerback (4): Corey Webster, Terrell Thomas, Aaron Ross, Bruce Johnson.
Safety (4): Antrel Rolle, Deon Grant, Kenny Phillips, Michael Johnson.
Long Snapper (1): Zak DeOssie.
KR/PR (1): Darius Reynaud.
Kicker (1): Lawrence Tynes.
Punter (1): Matt Dodge.
MG
I hope its not true, because he was a good gunner for us and a OK 6th receiver.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It appears to be the case...
though I agree with your thoughts. Does this mean Duke makes it?
Ed is now posting it at the top of this thread also - re Hagan.
I think just 9 left to go.
bTW....you can't make a 53 man roster the day of....LOL....while guys are getting cut
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Welcome to the club on that one...
didn’t think that one was even in doubt.
What is happening
Hey let’s give teams good players that we could have used ourselves
My take
Is that it has to do with the NFL trend these days. Keep the depth on the lines and go thin at the “skill” positions. If you expose lineman with an iota of talent other teams invariably swoop in to check them out up close and see if they might find some depth on the line. Guys like Hagan and possibly even Bomar have a better chance at getting through to be put on the squad.
MG better not be pulling a Cowlishaw with these reports
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Maybe players are injured and we need help at spots
It wouldn’t be the first time that the Giants held out on injury information.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Hagen?
Reynaud must be a better gunner then ever imagined.
And I think that means Cruz is making the team. Hagen was pretty good 4th/5th WR to have on the roster, but I think Cruz is more explosive.
Good for Vic aka. Dr. Doom.
Cruz
He would never make it onto the developmental squad if exposed. Hagan might. He’s a vet on the fringe who’s been around. Teams tend to be looking for young guys with potental over fringe vets, right? Some times I think it’s as much a game of chess between GM’s to collect the most talent on the 53 plus ten as it is just making it the best final 53 for the team.
If we lose Hagan, it’s definitely going to hurt our already suspect special teams.
Hagan can't go on the PS
he’s played in too many games.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
well my big shocker was supposed to be Tolly
at this rate w/ Hagan and Pascoe gone…..I think that would just be overkill.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
it's a guessing game at best right now for all of us...
we are looking in from the outside and they are not opening all of the windows
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I know TC supposedly thought Hagan had regressed on specials this year...
but I’m still shocked he didn’t make it.
If this means that the Giants are becoming tougher on players
then I’m all for it. If someone doesn’t perform, then he’s gone or is demoted. I hope that’s the approach.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Bear especially,
he was the ONLY TE for like half of a month. I thought all that extra work he put in would equate to more brownie points with TC
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
Yeah, but none of the linebackers has been axed yet...
nor people like Whimper.
That started in the off-season
with Clark and Pierce being gone.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
It's funny, we still seem to be looking for a "blocking TE" though....
I think that’s easier to work around than some other holes. Still, all in all Pascoe, Hagan and Bomar all gone is surprising.
I guess
It was important to get these guys checked out before the final cuts. I hadn’t even thought of that.
Most trades are not official
until the physicals are passed. If a guy fails the physical the trade is null and void.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but we'd have been screwed if we'd made moves assuming....
those two would pass and then found out one didn’t and we’d cut someone we might need, which I think was what RJ was getting at.
yeah, but I'm betting
the physicals happened quickly and before any official cuts were made.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hagan's a tough one
i always thought he was dependable on special teams, and when needed at wideout
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Don't worry about Hagan guys, we still have Tollefson for Specials.....
sorry…couldn’t help myself.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
The way the day is going though...
he, Alford, Duke and Cruiz are among the nine left to go ;-D
With the Sage Rosenfels signing,
and some of these cuts, it really looks like the Giants F.O is pushing for a “win now” mentality and are putting several chips on the table this season. With several “veteran” FA signees and attention spent on the problem areas (Andrews at Guard, Bulluck at LB, Grant at S) they are trying to make a legit run for the Superbowl.
I’m thinking they make one more move before gametime, either a veteran CB or maybe a younger LB with some upside. I’m really hoping for one more LB that can come in and make some plays. Anyone scanning the waiver wire/ FA list for names like these? i.e Dre’ Bly for a CB? (Bly sucks but fits the vet CB mold)
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
That's what I'm thinking
They are getting tougher because they don’t want their window to close.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Agree
Jerry trading a 5th to shore up two areas of possible weakness yesterday gave me the same thought.
especially with 2011 looking so uncertain
it would be nice to be THE team for an extra year. I’m really excited for this season and think the Giants will be a force through and into the post season
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
I agree with your general theme on direction...
which makes me think Dodge must be sweeting seeing a veteran punter on the cut lists. Given all the moves to plug holes with vets, that should make him uneasy, though I still think he makes the team personally.
Sometimes
You have to roll the dice a little with raw talent too. He’s a guy that would definitely not make it to the practice squad if cut IMO.
Yes and no...
Hang time is still a problem, snapping might be seen as such too. As I said I think you keep him, but that may depend on who is available.
Until the final roster comes out
I don’t think they’ve pushed remotely close to a “win now” mentality.
The Giants will always put the best team on the field while they have a franchise QB. They merely improved units that were sub-par with Bulluck and Grant.
And Andrews seems more like a deal for the future.
As for the trades, the only LB’s with upside on the GIants will be those that are here.
I don't understand this belief
Andrews isn’t for the future. Andrews is for now. There are all types of roster bonuses that Andrews gets after a season. Unless he proves himself now, the Giants won’t keep him long enough for him to get those bonuses.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Andrews is to back up now
I dunno how he’s anything else.
If he proves himself now, he’s for the future as well. He does nothing, he goes away.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Andrews starting in Week 1
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I think during preseason,
Andrews > Seubert
I can see Andrews starting week 1 as well
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
is McKenzie good to go? and OHara?
it might come down to a numbers game, and if either of those guys need to switch to the RT, then I think Andrews gets the nod
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
Andrews is nobody's backup
If he learns the offense quickly enough, he’ll be starting by Week 2, at the latest.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Reese's words
“We’re trying to get our best five offensive linemen out there for the (regular-season) opener, and who knows if he’s one of those guys,” Reese said. “Great, if so. And if not we’ll go a different route. But at some point we’re hoping he steps up, and there’s no doubt if he gets back to his old form and his old self then he’s one of the five best we have. That’s yet to be seen, and he hasn’t played in a long time, but he’s certainly building back.”
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
well, if whole OLine is healthy,
I see him as the 6th guy. I think Beatty-Diehl-Ohara-Snee-Mac start
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
No way
He’s better than Diehl, Seubert, and Beatty (at this point).
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
"there’s no doubt if he gets back to his old form and his old self then he’s one of the five best we have"
That means he starts, regardless of the health of the other guys.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
So far, so good with Andrews...
but lets not push to hard or quick, he’s learning the system, getting into shape and hopefully keeping his head on straight.
Andrews will be a starter soon
Andrews is playing reallly good right now and without a doubt looks like a steal by JR. I believe (my opinion) that Andrews will be a started by week 3 or 4 and hold that spot until he gets bored again…lol.
Andrews might not start week 1
Because he is still learning the terminology. But he is here for this year, Seubert will be on a short leash.
Andrews was prob the 2nd best guard in the NFL when he was healthy. He is even better than Snee when at 100%. A straight up mauler
by Giants56 on Sep 4, 2010 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im sorry but
does anybody else have absolutely no trust in travis beckam should something happen to Boss
i think everyone here
feels that way.
why bear was such a shocker. maybe they make a move for a vet TE in the next day or so?
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
nope.
I think if Beckum was the starter it would add another dimension to the O.
Having him and Bradshaw with Nicks, HAM and Smith on the outside, Eli would be unstoppable.
still not trusting his bocking,
which just makes him a bigger, slower WR right now, not really a TE. We still definitely need another solid blocker that can catch some rocks behind Boss
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
that's true
You always want at least one TE that’s a good blocker. I’d be fine with Beckum at TE, but they need another on the roster who can block
I don't
I don’t even trust him to be available, let alone play well. He must really show some talent on those rare days he gets on the field!
yup....everyone looking for JR to wheel and deal right now....
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
If he does
It will be by dealing a D lineman or two in a few weeks when the dust settles and we have our rotation set. by then, some other teams with injuries might be desperate for a D lineman, you know?
Hagan really surprised me.
Bomar not so much after getting Sage.
Guess Alford and Tolly aren’t going anywhere after all.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
A new ESPN show perhaps?
“Countdown to 53”
Every year they pick another GM and follow them through the last 48 hours till the final cuts. Maybe us nuts would be the only ones watching though. LOL
great idea! sadly, won't happen though...too much behind the scenes they don't want to expose
gives other GM a leg up on the competition
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
No surprises on defense so far
No linebacker cuts, no unexpected DL cuts. Do I smell trades?
Mickey C
Could be...
I’m sure Reese would like to get the draft picks he traded yesterday back and we may have a hole at TE.
If they aren't on it, with Hagan, Bomar and Pascoe gone...
there should be an investigation!
Bear
Is the guy I really feel awful about. The guy gave it his all and really did yeoman’s duty when Beckum and the other TE’s were injured and missing all those blood and toil sessions in the heat of camp while he stayed out there. Beckum better show us something this year!
Agreed...
it’s a cold hard business….especially on cutdown day. The Turk is never a welcome visitor. Apparently TC loved the effort, but not the talent level.
lol, kudos to you for bring "the Turk" up
and i’m not talking about Sollozzo
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
At the open practice
Chandler the former WR was more impressive
I think Bear needs to try to become a tackle
Hagan gone means Cruz may have made the team but what about Sinorice Moss?
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
so who's next
by my count we have 9 or 10 left….is Bomar officially out?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I think we've got 9 to go....
which includes the likely inclusion of Williams and Brown. Bomar I believe is officially waivered, but we’ll have to wait to see if he clears.
@Andiamo
Oh OK said that the Giants should sign Pat White. SMH.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
an Oh Ok sighting?
I thought he would be entretched in watching College Football working on his 2012 Mock….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
He's on the road watching HS games
but he stopped by ESPN to say that the Giants should sign White.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Pat White or Vanna White?
I would be happier with Vanna
Rashad, O'Hanlon, Alex Hall, Herb Taylor and J.J. Johnson...
still not gone along with Williams and Brown with nine needing to go. Duke is still around too, as is Cruiz, the Defensive linemen, linebackers, etc. that are close.
A CB would be nice, and you're right a TE too, a blocker...
and I suspect Reese would like to get a draft choice or two back to balance out what he traded. I’ll be surprised if something else “surprising” doesn’t happen before things finally settle out.
that would great...we dont' need either
not to mention it goes to show you that the Giants are not interested in keeping Tolly…..
I hate to be wrong in this situation b/c Tolly a good guy….but I figured this would be the outcome
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
We'll see if Reese can get it done...
Tolly may yet stay if they can’t.
Sussshhhhhh....
We want to drive UP his value (for 105 minutes at least). If Sage is a “Hall of Famer” Whimper must be at least a decent starter potential!
I think it highlights your point on ST
Being a top player on poor unit = no job security
You guys might not know this
but Andi dyed an area of his hair gray so he could match RV’s look. It’s not weird or anything. It just goes to show you that we Giants fans are a colorful bunch.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
LOL
What’s funny about this statement is that I actually do have a white patch on the top of my head…kinda where Rasheed Wallace has his….but I been putting a #1 1/2 clip to my head for so long that you can’t see it….only when my hair grows long does it show up…..LOL
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
not to mention....so far Tolly is still here
so RV could be right, where as ya boy MG will be wrong…..subsequently, so would I.
(I hate agreeing with MG….Lol)
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Supposedly the Giants are trying to trade...
Guy Whimper and Tolly.
may get a 6 or 7 for Tolly, if they get more Reese is a genius
if he gets more then a rotted basil plant for Whimper, Reese deserves a Nobel prize.
Wouldn't be a bad 4th CB
Better than the Johnsons
Dude the Johnsons were making me miss CC
Seth Williams, Courtney Brown awful
Smith was doing well in camp, but outplayed by this years picks, but i figured he’d get traded
Bruce Johnson's not bad as the 4th CB
Smith was drafted way too high to be “playing well” and be outplayed by mid-late round picks, and be the odd man out.
The guy’s no good. He was a 2nd rounder that the team gave up too much for, but he’s a bust.
cant' believe it...I really can't
i’m eating my words right now
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
i don't understand why this is a big shock
i’ve had this discussion for about 2 weeks with Andi and others, but what are we losing here with big Jay. 16 tackles in 3 years! and one big sack on Brady. that’s it. he’s a hero to us, but talent wise, i’m sorry, the kid doesn’t have it. or did have a little, and lost it with his injury.
good luck big dude.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I don't understand this
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
They have to be really confident
that Bernard and Joseph will be enough.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
It's a make it or break it year
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I know but w/ Cofield and Bernard possibly not in the "future plans"
it’s shocking to me
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Bernard is signed for 3 more years including this one
and I think they can still sign Cofield as a RFA next year too. And of course they could draft another DT or sign one.
Bernard and Joseph made plays during the preseason
Alford did not.
Cofield and Canty start, with the big fats rotating in.
Bernard
as big as he is, was a pass-rushing DT for Seattle. If he’s back to his old form, then Alford wasn’t needed.
Linval is already progressing as both a pass rusher and a run stopper.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
yeah but will he perform for those 3 more years?
I guess they just didn’t feel Alford was “that” guy
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
maybe not 3
maybe not 2 either.
Either way, the way it seemed was that he’s the 5th DT. I guess they just didn’t feel its necessary.
Anvil probably showed enough too.
Linval showed a lot
Bernard musta showed enough.
Cofiled is a dark horse i guess.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
If they think Joseph is a starter by next year ...
But I’m surprised they couldn’t move him for a 7
Again guys, come on
16 tackles in 3 years. no one, but the Giants, think the guy has any value. i’m sorry, i hate to be the ZillaG of the group, but Alford was never as good as our imagination led us to believe.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
it was that one fateful night, when we all jumped up and down in a blaze of glory
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I guess Alford still didn't fully recover from surgery
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
we've jettisoned higher picks after getting injured/not excelling enough...
…William Joseph, anyone (who, incidentally, was cut by the Raiders today)
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 4, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That hurts
I mean in Madden I ended up cutting him cuz he’s not rated so high, but this isn’t Madden…
I’m more upset with these cuts than I thought I’d ever be
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
We won't need special teams this year
because the whole team is filled with extra special guys…
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
It was either Willgfass or Willdre who said that we should cut Alford...
he may be the only one who saw this coming….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I sure didn't
I mean I’m not especially suprised…
But I sure am upset.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I'm the opposite
I’m surprised, but I’m not that particularly upset
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
7 to go with...
D. J. Johnson, Seth Williams, Herb Taylor, Brown, Herb Taylor, Whimper, Tolly, Cruz and Duke still no word on.
LOL...bet you're right...
O’Hanlon and Rashad are also unaccounted for, so we may have some good ideas of what we’re getting.
we're going to cut more than just what we "need" to cut
b/c we’re going to pick up more guys…..
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Alford should be signed w/ the Rams before the end of the weekend
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Spags does love his former Giants
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Alford is 27-y-o
and coming off ACL and MCL injuries. He’s still yet to have his breakout season. He didn’t do much in the preseason. The Giants would’ve been taking a leap of faith in bringing him back.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
it takes a year for a Dlinemen to come back from an injury like that....
it’s a shame the Giants could not afford to carry Alford for future use. I understand that it’s a “make or break year”. it is still a surprise IMO
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Why is this a "make it or break it" year?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
After last year's debacle
and with a new, expensive stadium, there’s no way the Giants can play around. They have to win now.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
"Make it or break it" sounds like it means this is the last year of our window
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
The Maras like Coughlin, I doubt they fire him unless the team bombs like they did last year
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I don't think he's out if they go 3-13
cuz there’d probably be a big reason why and the Mara’s aren’t stupid enough to ignore that reason.
I think TC only goes out when TC decides to go out
Mara’s have heard the complaints about TC before. And seen him rebuild teams that need rebuilding. There will be no hot seat for TC
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 4, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Never say never....
Any coach can end up on the hotseat. I don’t think that fate will deal TC that hand but it is not impossible.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 4, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If we go under 8-8
I really doubt TC will keep his job. IMO he would’ve overstayed his welcome.
I believe Reese isn’t a big fan of his either? Not sure about that though.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno how keeping or cuttign Alford makes this year a "win now" idea
and since its really not a win now year…that also doesn’t make sense. Be nice to win it all of couse, but this team ain’t going anywhere.
Why is not a "win now" year?
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
This is a win every year team, since they have a franchise QB.
The only teams that are “win now” are those with the Farves, Rich Gannon’s and old John Elway’s of the world.
Not the GIants.
Every year isn't the same
Was the pressure to win entering 2007 the same as entering 2008? Was 2008 the same as entering 2010?
The goal is always to win now. The pressure to do so isn’t always the same.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I just hate the "win now" bullcrap statement.
it implies that if they don’t win now, the team is getting blown up and starting from new the next sesason.
Which given who the best players on this team are…is absolutely the farthest from the truth you can possibly get.
They’re win now, win next year, win every year El i Manning is donning the #10 uni.
And they certainly didn’t cut Alford cuz they’re trying to “win now”.
Don't argue with them.
We want to win every season, but this is no way a “win now” season. That would be stupid, the only team in the League that’s a win now team are the Vikings, because Brett Favre may retire.
That's on you.
Nobody said they were starting from scratch. However, throwing a blanket statement that every year is “win now” is foolish and naive.
They didn’t keep Alford around because they were unwilling to wait for him to be 100%. They tried that last year with two DTs who were coming back from micro-fracture surgery and they didn’t play well.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
But you're the one who defended that this is a make it or break it season.
There will be absolutely zero make it or break it seasons as long as Eli is our starting QB.
well you can jump off the wagon if they don't "win now"
this team is young in many positions, entering their prime for many of them.
They’re in position to win now, and in actuality, foolish and naive would be to think that this team is in “win now” mode, when their QB is not 30 yet.
What you want is that ...
perpetual window the Eagles and Pats seem to have been able to do the last 10 years, but don’t cheap out like the birds if you need a WR to get over the hump as they did for many years (except for the TO debacle).
exactly.
you want a team that’s competitive every year.
“Win now” is the Raiders in Grudens’ last year with a bunch of old farts on their last legs.
Or the Skins perpetual ...
window of failure, winning the off-season FA Supe each and every year. Worked for George Allen in the ’70’s but not in the modern age.
you sound like an idiot.
And if we lose what happens? We trade every single player? Our Core are in their prime and young, what should we break? We have holes that could be field as soon as next season. This is no way a make it or break it season.
Only use those words when you’re talking about a old team.
As hard as it may be for you
Read what’s there. Don’t go adding to my words because I’m perfectly capable of speaking for myself.
Did I mention blowing up the team? Did I say that they’d start over? The pressure on Coughlin is greater in 2010 than it was in 2008 or 2009. Like I said, just because the goal is always to win doesn’t mean the pressure and expectation to do so is the same every year.
If the Giants bomb out in 2010, I don’t see Coughlin coming back. My “win now” statement had nothing to do with Eli or young players or the nucleus of the team.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
So what does a "Make it or break it" and "Win Now" season mean?
When ever anyone uses those two phrases to describe a team, it usually means they’re going to destroy it if they lose.
I don’t even want to hear your definition, just tell me what would you do to the team, if they were to lose.
Lost what?
The Super Bowl? The Championship Game?
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Coughlin has one year left on his deal...
…and will be 65 when it expired at the end of the 2011 season. I believe he is coming back regardless of how this year’s team performs, though after next year I don’t see him returning.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 4, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
now that's different.
..you keep saying “Giants” win now. But if its for Coughlin to win now, then yea..for HIM, its win now, since his job pedestal will heat up to the point of him possibly being let go after the season…possibly.
For the actual team..no, too much talent in the right places for them to worry about going “all out”.
Tho the fact they don’t have veterans on one year contract makes the idea that this team is even close to “win now” on the field a head scratcher.
Young all over the place, aside from a couple on the OL and Grant, is there a 30 year old player on the team?
Well, who's responsibility is it for the Giants to win now?
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
its their responsibility to remain in contention ever year.
and to make sure they balance development and keeping the positions as talented as possible.
Again, win now..and in the future.
Another thought
As a 3rd rounder, I guess his contract isn’t cheap either. So maybe that plays into it?
I still don’t like it. But maybe he’d just be too big a liability in the short term to carry on the 53. Another sign they are setting up to win now, which is great. Mara cracked the whip last year. He meant it.
yea
depends on who’s still on the roster.
If any of these other POS’s are on it and Alford’s not, this is a dumb move. But if they’re getting space to add in other areas, that’s fine I guess.
Remember
No matter what the 53 is today, there will be changes over the next 48 hours as waiver claims are made.
Yes
I get all the cuts, including Alford
But what’s with Courtney Brown, there a big market for CBs that can’t cover
I think what Ed and what I am saying is that more than 7 guys will get cut
and we’ll pick up guys off the waiver wire.
just b/c we got all these no names hanging around and only 7 cuts left doesn’t mean we’ll carry them.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
With 7 cuts to be made and the following unacccounted for...
does anyone expect these guys to make it? Herb Taylor, Rashad, Brown, O’Hanlon, Williams, D.J. Johnson, Whimper? If not, it would imply that Tolly, Duke and Cruz either make it or are traded for other players, or some combo of the above is.
No.
Whimper may have an outside shot, Rashad or DJ Johnson also..maybe. But wouldn’t be surprised to see them all flipping burgers by next week.
Best shot to make it
Out of that group might be Rashad, since KP could realistically have a set back at anytime.
I'd give minor chances to Rashad, D.J. Johnson and Whimper, but none...
to the other seven, though I expect we’ll have new names from elsewhere in the mix before we’re done.
If Reynaud is top gunner
Cruz or Calhoun could be trained for 2nd
Hagan is not a threat as a wr, so i get it
Calhoun made a couple of plays on specials...
but Cruz didn’t help himself there.
On your own from here, gang
I have to head out shortly for my son’s soccer game, so no more updates to the thread from me. You guys are on your own the rest of the way to update & discuss whatever else goes down.
Ed, heckuva call on Alford...I know you are not happy about it but good call
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Whimper released according to Garafolo
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
may his Whimpering begin...
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierce reporting on Twitter that the Giants couldn't trade Whimper and released him
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
And six players highly unlikely to not be cut...
D.J. Johnson, Taylor, Brown, O’Hanlan, Rashad, Williams. Maybe Cruz, Duke and Tollly do make it, or some trades get made.
It means they'll probably get cut
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Yeah, probably worded badly, but what I meant...
is that those six are probably not going to make it, which would mean Cruz, Tolly and Duke do, or are displaced by trades. Rashad and D.J. Johnson have slim chances though IMO
Well, we all knew all along ...
he was just a “guy”, and his Giant career would end not with a bang, but with … well, y’know.
Can't believe they cut Alford though
I know Bernard showed for the preseason but still, Alford was a real up and comer.
no he wasn't
he is now 27, not ultra young for football, and coming off a big injury. he has 16 career tackles. he was an up and comer, in our minds only.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
+1
I don’t get all the angst over cutting Alford. One big sack in SB was the sum of his contributions to the team. He was never destined to be anything more than a sub that got 10-12 snaps a game. And after the injury, he might not even be that good.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 4, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
can't say I'm too upset about losing a guy named Whimper
by long time listener on Sep 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
So, with all the cuts, what becomes of Boothe?
He’s on the PUP list, not IR, so there’s a small chance he could come back from the torn pec injury he sustained in OTAs. Suppposedly, he will be back by mid-October.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
Somebody will be injured by then most likely...
and he’ll be activated to fill their spot.
he stays there and i think he's eligible to come back after week 6 or week 8
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
MG thinks Tolly could get cut....RV thinks he could be safe w/ Alford gone
Dun dun dunnnnn (sound effect)
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Yeah,but Seth Williams isn't accounted for in his list...
And I don’t see him making the team.
I like him and I think he will make the team till
they find a CB to pick up
I think we'll get another back, but I don't see Williams being the man.
Of course I’ve been wrong before….today even!
I think they'll pick up someone
That will push Seth off the rooster but before that will happen they need to have someone at that position right?
Well, they won't play until next weekend...
So I’d guess they could do whatever they wanted, as they’d probably go for someone else’s cut quickly if it was an upgrade.
seth was AWFUL
no way he makes the roster at alll
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
another good point by TRock....
could Taylor catch on as a blocking TE?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
but for the time being???
and get cut in the next 48 hours?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
If the brass believes that, that strengthens the arguement for Taylor...
I thought it was the other way though.
I still hope Duke Calhoun makes it
God, that’s a great name. Sounds like a character John Wayne would play.
by long time listener on Sep 4, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
former USC Trojan football player Marion Morrison
by long time listener on Sep 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm old, and my memory isn't always right...
but I think that was John Wayne’s real name.
you're right
He also played at USC very briefly. He was on the sidelines for a USC-Notre Dame game at the Rose Bowl which was, at the time, the the game with the highest attendance in college football.
by long time listener on Sep 4, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ten minutes to go....
I’m sorry Mr. Reese….the number you have dialed is no longer in service….please try again at the sound of the beep…..
Chargers just released Nathan Vasher
Maybe he’s a guy we should look at, in case we release Williams..
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
TJ Housh got cut............
lol just wanted to throw that out there………..
Apparently, he's been signed by the Vikings
And he’d be the 5th receiver on this team…….at best.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
yeah i saw that wow.....
and lost some draft picks for rose…….ahhh well, he is a better back up than Leinart though…and we got a returner
Leinart's too whiny to be a backup
which is kind of funny considering no team will sign him as their starter
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
he's going to start..
..in the UFL
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
He would have been eatin alive here in NY anyways.....
Pre-madana and a cry baby………..apperantly did not work out wit the team in the locker room either
Taylor and Brown are gone according to Garafolo
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Let's assume that JR is playing chess ...
while we may be playing checkers. Some of the cuts may be guys who will be back on the 53 man roster, but who he thinks others won’t pick up, while he still has guys he feels he could get a pick for that he has no real plans to keep. May be middle of next week before final 53 is clear.
Yeah but Alford is still gonna be gone....
Thought he was one of the better run stoppers…..
You're cut, too, shushy!
Scully, you’re cut. Brooks, Groening, Simon, you’re all cut. Castellaneta, gone. Kavner, cut. Cartwright, cut. Smith, sorry, cut. Azaria, Shearer, you’re cut. Firestone, you’re cut. So is Judge. Namath, you stay. All of those people are cut. Johnson, Wolfe and Silverman are all cut. Goldfire, O’Brien gone. Cut, Elliot, I don’t know what you’re doing here because you’re all cut. Pietela, Kuwahaha. Theres so many cuts here, look, I’ll just post them up and you see where your name is. Look how many cuts there are there. Woah boy! You’re cut. All of you! You’re cut. I cut you!
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Simpsons
Love it
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
what happens if they don't make the cuts by 6 pm?
by long time listener on Sep 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
I could care less if it's a fine
Would it cost us a draft pick or something?
by long time listener on Sep 4, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Justin Hartwig cut by Steelers ...
wouldn’t mind signing him and cutting Koets.
Am I the only one who noticed...
That every time a Giants’ player retires, they always go into the media and doubt the Giants potential next season. In 07 it was Tiki Barber, 08 Michael Strahan, 09 no one and now in 2010 it’s Antonio Pierce.
Considering none of our former players doubted us in 09 and we had that bad season, I’m guessing this year we will have a good one.
the media in general doesn't like the Giants
cuz even with the Plaxico incident, they don’t allow for big media coverage, even if they’re NY.
Its not “trendy” to like the Giants. Its “trendy” to ignore them.
Victor Cruz is officially on the team
Congrats
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
yes, likely to happen...unless someone better comes around
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Parker is washed up
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
lol damn.....
Didn’t think he fell off so far so fast though……….damn……..i remember like it was yesterday when he was tearin up the league and future superstar…
So he's the 2nd injured/returning player to be cut
that most people thought would be on the team. The Giants were unwilling to wait for these guys to come back. But hey, it’s not like there’s any extra emphasis to “win now” or anything. These things just happen.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Williams, Rashad and O'Hanlon gone as well.
Apparently D.J. Johnson makes it and so do Tolly and Duke
I think he he had to get cut
Cuz he was hurt and was goin to miss some time but why cut him AND Johnson??
they made it...
…and will likely be inactive every Sunday.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 4, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we all half to wait and see what plays out the folowing 48 hours and beyond
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
and you thought you were in the clear...
no smooth sailing for you :)
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Yeah, because
Johnson is going to start
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
DJ's a CB/S tweener
if he’s the 5th CB and S, he’ll be fine cuz he’s big, can run and tackle well. He’s not Chad Jones, but he’ll due.
he's a tweener all right
Halfway between god-awful and an abomination.
by long time listener on Sep 4, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Halfway between the two WR's ...
in the “dead zone”.
So who are our RBs
Bradshaw, Jacobs, Ware??
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
True, but when you've only got Bradshaw, Jacobs and Ware on thre roster...
he suddenly moves into the #4 slot.
Ware is so terrible
I can’t believe he makes the team over Brown
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you..
I’m not the only one….i never saw this “speed” that he’s been hiding either……….
i am floored they cut AB2
that to me is the biggest shock of the day, and i’m not happy about it, i’ll be honest.
and its not because we have the same 1st name…
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I'm sorry......
Ware’s a nice guy but i think he’s trash…….i don’t see no positives in his game
Don't see it
I like Gartrell over Ware, fits our scheme, bruiser, backup, and younger
defintely think you're mixing the 2 up.
Ware is big and can hit, can actually catch a ball, actually has speed.
Ware if he’s healthy is basically Derrick Ward with speed.
he has speed to hit his own lineman
his vision is worse than stevie wonder
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
By my Count I hit on 48 out of 53
but to my credit I wasn’t even aware of the Seth Rosenfels deal until this afternoon…..
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
JR lost a few draft picks today....
Brown, Alford, Bomar
But as I expected all the LBs stuck….
Hagan, Brown, and Alford were surprising IMO
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
yep - lets see what it all looks liek when the dust clears...
I hope that DJ Ware can take advantage of his opportunity this year…casue he’s gonna get em…
People can't say Reese is too stubborn to release guys
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
From the sounds of it Beckum is no sure thing either moving forward....
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I think this is what we have:
Offense (24)
Quarterbacks (2): Eli Manning, Sage Rosenfels,
Running Backs (4): Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw, D.J. Ware, Darius Reynaud
Fullbacks (1): Madison Hedgecock
Wide Receivers (6): Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden, Victor Cruz, Duke Calhoun
Tight Ends (2): Kevin Boss, Travis Beckum
Offensive Linemen (9): David Diehl, Rich Seubert, Shaun O’Hara, Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie, Will Beatty, Adam Koets, Shawn Andrews, Mitch Petrus
Defense (26)
Defensive Linemen: (9): Justin Tuck, Barry Cofield, Chris Canty, Mathias Kiwanuka, Osi Umenyiora, Rocky Bernard, Dave Tollefson, Jason Pierre-Paul, Linval Joseph
Linebackers (8): Jonathan Goff, Michael Boley, Keith Bulluck, Bryan Kehl, Clint Sintim, Chase Blackburn, Phillip Dillard, Gerris Wilkinson
Cornerbacks (5): Corey Webster, Terrell Thomas, Aaron Ross, Bruce Johnson, D.J. Johnson
Safeties (4): Antrel Rolle, Deon Grant, Kenny Phillips, Michael Johnson
Specialists (3)
Kicker (1): Lawrence Tynes
Punter (1): Matt Dodge
Long Snapper (1): Zak DeOssie
THX for the update
I like the fact that we are a pretty young team at the core starter level (ol is a bit aged), and now have replaced our #2’s with younger talent….Especially at WR.
Well.....
I could see how our special teams got better and faster though
Gotta win the war in the Trenches
18 linesman, dang
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Dottino is point out what Ed said about Beckum
his neck could be a problem and things could change before week 1
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
We are screwed at TE
Something must be in the works becasue we only have 1 healthy TE for week 1????
They like having one healthy TE
Like Bear Pascoe was the only healthy in tranning camp
LOL yeah this could get ugly
But OBVIOUSLY this is not the final moves we make here
There's no way a team that runs the ball will have one good blocker at TE
The Giants will definitely do something at TE. They aren’t done.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I think we could go with a bigger body....bigger than bear.
I wish we had someone like a lee vickers big or crumpler
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Redskins released Vickers
Maybe we’re going to use an atlethic O-linemen as our 2nd TE.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I highly doubt it b/c he was in camp last year and we cut him last year
so we won’t go after him….but someone of his size…that blocking TE. that’s what we need.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Scott Sicko
I saw this kid play at NH — he was an animal. He was just cut by the Cowboys, but in the one game he played he caught 5 passes for 44 yards. A good blocker who can play on special teams.
and I thought Bear Pascoe took the cake
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Bleh
Going to wait until tomorrow for this mess to be sorted out.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Hate the Andre Brown and Derek Hagan moves
I can live with most of the rest.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 4, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
Don't think anybody will pick up brown though
think that was a calculated risk we took there since he is hurt and will miss some time
Do you know know
How many people we can PUP?
I'm not sure of a limit, but I believe we found that if someone has practiced...
they can’t go on the PUP list.
yup
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 4, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The move i hate the most
is the Jay Alford move……i know we have too many linemen but still….
Not a fan of that move either
but with our DL what it is, I can live.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 4, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
so you think he'll fall back to our PS?
it depends on the severity of his injury. what is it, turf toe? i think someone may be willing to take a chance on that healing and pick him up.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
claims
I would guess alford/ brown and maybe bomar catch on elsewhere. But there has to be bubble guys cut and this is what the coaches thought was the best thing for big blue and the fact is they seem them every day, all we see is games. I’m guessing alfords knee was the biggest factor in his cut. I think bomar, while he did progress, still may just be a 2 yet and browns injury was a factor as well. Hagan became expendable in the trade made last night. Clearly this roster is not set though as the giants will look for a 3rd te on waivers and maybe a new punter.
grammatical error
should read – is just not a number 2 yet
Tell me if my fantasy roster looks good.
QB: Peyton & Eli Manning
RB: Steven Jackson, Jonathan Stewart & Crybaby Brandon Jacobs
WR: Greg Jennings, Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Britt, Pierre Garcon & Earl Doucet
TE: Tony Gonzales & Chris Cooley
D/ST: NY Giants & Patriots
K: Nate Kaeding & Rob Bironas
Overall, I think I have a good team, but I’m lacking star power in the WR position. So if things go down I could use my TEs and Mannings as trade bait to fill up some holes.
+100
jeez, the guy led our team in preseason rushing yards. what else did the kid need to do?!
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
it doesn't make sense at all
Last year DJ Ware had his chance and he blew it. He was reportedly in TC’s dog house. Now he is making the team over a guy thats looked good in preseason??
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell if i woulda known that
i would’ve been on the cj spiller bandwagon with Free!
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Boys were able to trade ...
Pat McQuiston for more than a ham sandwich. Yes, that’s right. Pat McQuiston.
Got to believe JR could have gotten something for some of these cuts (but not Whimper, that rumor was laughable).
OL is gonna be huge issue in NFC Beast this year. Skins – awful (sorry DMac). Boys – shaky. Birds – really in flux – Stacey (the other Andrews Sister) traded to Seahawks, and SEA O-Line coach promptly resigns. Eagles O-line is nowhere near gelling at the start of the season.
I still would have moved up for Spiller
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 4, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just a RB
I’m not a big fan of drafting RB’s with high picks unless you absolutely need a RB. We didn’t and don’t need a RB. Considering Kiwi might leave next year… I think it was the right choice.
Given the uncertainty of Jacobs, I don't think you can definitively say we were ok at RB
If Spiller fell to us, we should have taken him. Alas, he didn’t.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Only If he fell.
Unlike that other guy, I just didn’t see a reason to trade up for him.
If we were to take a RB
I would’ve prefered a guy that could actually run between the tackles.
I think Matthews will be 5x the RB that Spiller will become
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
looking like the next Thurman Thomas as the floor of what he'll be
could be better.
BUT I think they made the right move and stood put, probably would’ve cost a 1 and 2, and I think JPP and Joseph have the potential of top 10 picks anyway.
Wait what?
Andrews was traded?
Is it just me or does it feel like there’s a lot more trading going on than usual?
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
OK now I am pissed
Keeping Beckum, dumping Hagan? Keeping goingnoWare and not Andre Brown (that’s what I understand). I am totally confused and bummed. I hope JR knows what he is doing. Right now, I am not happy with these, the TE situation (I assume will change), releasing Bomar, Gartrell, etc. Hope I am wrong but the first two I think we will regret. Sorry to see Alford go but a numbers game. Let’s hope Chandler and T Brown make it to the practice squad.
I understand the sentiment on Brown...
but keep in mind that the list of backs who’ve come back and excelled from the Achelles tear is VERY short, and TC seemed to feel he didn’t have the acceleration he had previously.
Hagan I think was expendable cuz of Reynaud, who does everything Hagan does
and returns kicks.
Brown is hurt. The extent of being hurt..who knows? I think that’s what most are missing, that he’s got turf toe and whatever it says for how long he’ll be out…in reality its 16+ games that he’ll not be 100% with that.
I dunno what anyone sees with Gartrell. He goes up against 4th teamers and still doesn’t look all that fast once he reaches the secondary. He’s a decent player but a healthy Ware is better then him.
Why are you mad about releasing Bomar?
He’s nothing and proved nothing. Are you looking for Bomar to take Eli’s Job? Eli is only 29, if everything goes well… he’ll be our QB for another 5 yrs(Bomar would be 30). God-forbid Eli went down, Bomar wouldn’t be able to win a game. We’re not going to carry more than 2 QB’s, because Eli is durable.
Gatrell Sucks, and we will get another TE who’s a better blocker than the ones we released. Hopefully Beckum is already a good enough blocker. And Reynaud will do everything Hagan did and more.
Forgot one
Bear, please Bear to the PS. I think he will be picked up though as will Gartrell.
Hate the Hagan move, but...
Really like the statement that the coaches think that we have TWO WR’s that are better than last year’s crew. Wow. We’ll look like the Saints in a year or two.
he's saying ... I think....
tht the Coaches believe V. Cruz is a better WR…and Duke Calhoun is a better Gunner/WR
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Well back on the site after a long day
did I miss anything?
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 4, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
Can someone educate me?
Difference between cut, waived, released? How much do people get paid on the practice squad? Tnx. When do they release the PS list?
i was just thinking that
great question
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 4, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well all the guys off the roster are cut
If a player doesn’t have a certain amount of NFL experience, he’s put on waiver wires where the teams that sucked last year have priority claiming him than the teams who were good last year.
Once you reach a certain amount of experience, you aren’t put on waiver wires and are just a free agent.
Also, if a player isn’t claimed on waiver wires after a certain amount of time, he’s a free agent like the rest of them (“clearing waivers”).
Practice squad players make $5200 a week.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Yeah minimum
the article says a guy got payed his normal roster amount once.
This article is pretty good
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Do we still have DJ Johnson?
I will blow a gut, what the heck are we keeping a roster spot for this guy if so? He has proven he cannot cover his grandma with a blanket.
DJ Johnson
i think JR is looking for a decent vet CB that was dropped and DJ will be gone
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 4, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Special Teams
I believe that’s that’s what Coughlin said.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Also how did perennially injured LB Wilkinson make the team?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
he's dealing w/a groin right now and is out for another week
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I thought it was the Seahawk's line coach that quit...
and not Quinn.
Man...our 2009 draft looks like ass now
Other than Nicks, everyone is either cut already or is basically a bust.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 4, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Beatty is a bust? Sintim is a bust already? What on earth?
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
agree the book is still out on Beatty
Sintim and Barden also could just need more time.
Beckum unfortunately is not looking too good. It’s a good sign he made the team but Ed and other beat writters wonder if he’ll be on the squad come week 1.
Either way at this rate Sintim and Barden have not shown the coaches enough….I know they have been derailed by injuries but Sintim has been given every opportunity to be the starting SAM and it looks like Bully is now going to be given that job.
Barden is stuck behind a wealth of talent at WR and maybe JR went overboard w/ that pick….especially considering he moved up to get him.
4 of the other draft picks that year have been cut/waived. There is a chance Bomar and Brown make the PS but at this point you kinda consider those guys after thoughts….not to mention….do the Giants even want to sign them to the PS???
I’m guessing JR is praying Beatty works out b/c at this rate the ’09 draft is looking weak.
Bruce Johnson was also a UDFA so that’s a +1
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
a tough audience indeed
I even hear some people say cut Manning and keep Bomar. Patience does not seem to be everyone’s strong point
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe shouldn't have gone with only "B" players
Beatty, Beckum, Barden, Brown, Bomar. Back many years ago before everyone did everything on-line, I had a friend do a fantasy draft for me based on a list I gave him. He thought the column for ‘bye week’ was my ranking of priority. I had a team of everyone with bye weeks 3,4,5, but were not starters.
Maybe that is what happened here.Maybe they thought “B” was just one down from “A”
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 5, 2010 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
There seem to be enough TE's out there on the waiver wire
Anthony Becht, old man, but good blocker started 10 games last year, has lived in New York before. Spencer Havner, caught 4 TD"s in a four game stretch last year,. Ernest Wilford who has had a few good years and made some big plays for Jacksonville. David Martin, Derek Fine, Sean Ryan. Enough of those guys out there on the waiver wire. Should be one of them that isn’t too old or injured and can be a third TE for a year. Don’t think anyone will be picking up the Bear with these guys out there.
I think we need to get Beckum out there and see if he can block. We don’’t have anything called an “H back”. You have to show us you can block or its hard for me to see how you can be a Giants TE. Let’s get him out there and give him some reps. Otherwise the Bear will be back, and we still might only have two TE’s.
Just heard the news.
Alford and Bomar both gone. Kinda saw the writing on the wall for Bomar. He wasn’t bad but the difficulty that he had getting the ball into the end zone on Thursday is probably what did his ass in. Alford, what can I say. Injuries are a MF. I hope he finds work soon.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
In light of these recent moves...
Some may even say drastic moves (Alford, Brown, Hagan)….I wonder if more are in store???
Someone earlier was running around saying JR was “saving face” by keeping Beckum. But as we all know that is not true because of; Brown, Bomar, Alford.
I’m wondering if the Giants are looking to move more than just Tolefson? Personally I have not given up on Sintim but do you think moving him to a 3-4 team would increase his trade value? With Calhoun being a Special Teams guy, what about Barden???
What about Beckum? he cant’ block and he seems to be used exclusively as a WR???
Normally i wouldn’t even consider bringing this up….but at 3:21 in the morning the mind tends to wonder….or doesn’t work, one or the other. If we strike while the iron is hot on these guys (Barden, Beckum, Sintim) we can in fact get somethign in return…probably draft picks….but it could be worth it. What did we lose for these Minn players? a Late round pick and a conditional pick???
we could get serious draft picks for those guys IMO….so think about it…but don’t think too hard b/c I’m bent. but feel free to rip this comments to shreads….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Despite your deprevation of sleep Andi,
you just might be right. If there is no way to get Pascoe back, we kinda gotta get another TE. I think somewhere along the lines we will make a quite move here or there that will get us our late round picks back, but the only big move I think that is coming is trading for a fairly known TE with good blocking capabilities
This just in..
Walking farts and Reese peanut butter cup just traded half our team to Oakland for some original members of “Our Gang”….They picked up Spanky, Alfalfa, Buckwheat, Butch, but passed on Weezer (he smelled like limberger cheese)..They also hired Miss Crabtree to provide color commentary….Rumor has it that they are trying to acquire “The Three Stooges”….
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Three Stooges..confirmed
That solves our linebacker problems..It is official, Moe, Larry and Curly…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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