New York Giants Notes: Hester A Headache For Not So Special Giants
by Ed Valentine on Sep 30, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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A few New York Giants notes for a Thursday morning.
When it comes to Chicago punt returner extraordinaire Devin Hester, Tom Coughlin was probably right Wednesday when he said the best strategy was "Kick it out of bounds. Don’t let him have the ball."
Speaking of special teams, you can't blame the struggles of that group on No. 1 pick Jason Pierre-Paul, who is a monster on special teams.
Brandon Jacobs knows exactly why the Giants lost last week to Tennessee.
"Not to take anything away from Tennessee, but we absolutely took the game, put it on a plate, walked it across the field, and gave it to them," the Giants' running back said.
Speaking of the Titans, two of their players have been fined for their actions Sunday against the Giants. They are hardly remorseful.
From Ralph Vacchiano:
Don’t expect the deductions to be a deterrent for either CB Cortland Finnegan or defensive end Justin Babin - - at least not based on what they told The Tennessean today.
"Nobody cares about fines," said Finnegan, who was fined for tossing Giants WR Steve Smith to the ground by his helmet. "I don’t care. It doesn’t matter. I am going to keep playing the way I play and if we keep getting a FedEx every week and win football games, I could care less about getting a FedEx."
The Giants will be without center Shaun O'Hara again this week. His injured ankle and achilles are simply not responding to treatment.
"I was hoping initially it was a two-week period," coach Tom Coughlin said Wednesday. "But I’m not sure now what it is."
Tiki Barber, whose differences with Coughlin are well documente and may have contributed to his early retirement from the NFL, says his grasp is 'slipping away.'
The former running back, and a long-time nemesis of the Giants coach, made that assessment in an appearance on Yahoo! Sports’ NFL This Week that was posted online on Monday. Barber, who now works for Yahoo! after a post-retirement stint at NBC, said Coughlin is “at a crisis” and if he can’t find a way out, he’ll end paying with his job.
“I don’t know if he’s completely lost control of the team, but it’s definitely slipping away,” Barber said. “You saw it last week with some of the comments Antrel Rolle talked about , with leadership, and over-control that the coaching staff and the organization had over the players. Sometimes that affects you and carries over into the game.
“And right now Tom Coughlin is at a crisis. His job is certainly in jeopardy, particularly because of how they played last year to close out that stadium. We all know how embarrassing that was.”
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I wonder if the sound bite
from Tiki came from his 21 year old slam ’ho?
It sounds about as intelligent as someone that does not know crap about football.
Welcome back Tiki. You were missed.
Glad to see that you are still doing your media thing and keeping your money away from these money hungry females. I agree with Tiki’s assessment of the TC sitituation. Tc has definitely lost some control of this team and the up coming Chicago game will show if he has gained some of that control back.
D Hester is only one part of the problem. I am particularly interested in how well the OL hold up against Peppers, Briggs and Urlacher. Dodge says this is his first time practing how to kick the ball out of bounds. Are you kidding me? This guy should have bee practicing this way of kicking since the start of training camp. This is just another reason why TC ass is in the hotseat.
Bears fans talking crap. Sad thing is you really can’t return the crap talk because you don’t know what the Giants are going to bring to the field on Sunday. Sigh, It hard out here for a Giants fan pimp these days.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 30, 2010 7:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well you make some good points LoN...
But I could careless what Tiki has to say..That ass bailed on Coughlin along time ago..His thoughts and views are insignificant..We all know that STs will make or break us..The coaches and players know it..they are the ones that have to fix it..All we can do is bitch about it..I’m not as worried about their defense..I feel our offense has shown that they can move the ball,, they just need to finish and not suddenly become red-zone boneheads..Dodge punting out of bounds is very scary…especially when he still gives it to them on the 50..which is what I fear he’ll do…and let the Chicago fans talk trash..not worth it to even go there..The Bears are coming into our house Sunday, and they’ll be facing a wounded animal…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Bears talking trash
I don’t see how the Bears fans can be talking trash… The Packers handed the Bears that game with all the penalties. The same way that the the Giants handed the Titans the game. For the most part the Pack completely outplayed them. If the Giants figured out a way to stop all the stupid penalties and turnovers in the red zone the Bears and their fans should be scared.
I can't believe I'm quoting Schlereth, but:
Enough with the Bears got lucky! There is a reason for 18 penalties. When u can’t block them you hold and when you can’t cover u commit PI
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by David Taylor on Sep 30, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Penalties, Turnovers, Field Position, Time of posession...
All ingredients of a loss..period I don’t care who the team is or the talent they have..they do that, they lose..Now if the game plays out mistake-free from both teams, then we win the head to head battle and the game against the Bears.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I dunno Bob
I hope my matchups view continues to be as wrong:
I thought we’d push around Indy’s O-line to run for a ton, dominate the clock, get a good pass rush…
I thought we’d contain CJ and outmuscle the Titans by a good margin
Now I think we match up poorly: Special teams (Special ed!) The bears being geared to rush and stop the run against our weak OL, etc…
Please, Lord, let me continue to be wrong
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Simms.Let's hope your wrong and I'm finally right for a change...lol
I know one thing…if we were sitting next to each other at the game..we would both be biting our nails…in between beers of course…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Cortland Finnegan and Justin Babin are punks
This is what I hate about the NFL, these two punks knew what they were doing, they picked the fights, and then got the reactions out of the Giants players (Kareem, Deil, Rolle) and then they run away like little girls. Now the Giants should of shown more control, but that doesnt change the rules the NFL has. A player cant react to an action against them, but the intial action gets no flag! Did Cortland Finnegan and Justin Babin get any personal fouls called against them? But yet the NFL knows they are in the wrong, because they fine them. How about a flag is thrown on the intital action, and not just the reaction.
I was thinking the same thing.
This is a clear admission that t NFL recognized the fact that the Titans were in clear violation of some on field code of conduct rules but failed to regulate at the expense of the NYGs. This is like finding a fly in your soup but you can’t return it for a refund. I don’t understand why this flaw hasn’t been addressed and corrected.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 30, 2010 8:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
its a slap in the face!
All week all you hear is about how the Giants are undiciplined, and hot headed, and then these fines will fly under the radar! LIke Kareem just decided to knock Babin down, did people really think nothing was said or done to Kareem all game?
and b*tchegan is a flat out girl that will never stand up to a fight, he starts the fight and then runs away like the little girl that he is.
Yeah. Finn is a b*%@h.
I didn’t see that “I don’t care attitude” when Diehl ripped his helmet off.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 30, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Finnegan got called on the Smith tackle
I think…
I’m down with you on this though. After reading those comments don’t you think Goodell should take it as an insult to him, personally, and the rest of the league who at least try to hide their contempt for the rules of the game?
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
If the league dosen't say anything about those remarks...
It will only srve to show how soft it has become over the years. Can’t recall the head coaches name (someone help me out please)but the Houston Oilers use to play like this back in the day, maybe 86-88.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 30, 2010 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
YEAH, that him
it seems that Jeff fischer has incorporated Jerrys’ style in to his strategy.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 30, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Finnegan is definitely a punk
He gets personal fouls and fines every week.
The Titans as a whole were dirty the whole game with late hits and hits around the head. The Giants did a very poor job reacting to it but that’s the Titans game.
The fines should be progressive, (5k, 10k, 15k etc. or maybe even a sliding scale) because it clearly doesn’t bother them much.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
you would think Tiki
Has enough common sense to keep quiet this week. You know I try to justify that he deserves this whole ring of honor thing but now that he’s working for yahoo sports I’m not so sure lol
"Things have to change" - Antrel Rolle
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
by andiamo708 on Sep 30, 2010 8:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I say keep talking Tikil...
you are only making yourself look foolish. Im pretty sure the day after the Giants won the Super Bowl, Tiki claimed that the Giants dont have what it takes to win it. haha
He deserves
his due as a football player for this organization, no one can ever question how hard he played,
and literally carried them into the playoffs his last regular season game against the "Skins!
Whatever else people want to say, knock yourselves out.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 30, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone think that Tiki may have been right all along
The things he was saying when he was still here are the same things that are happening today. I don’t understand why everyone hates Tiki when he’s speaking the truth.
In BJ's response...
he forgot to say that the game was served with some gravy and red wine followed by dessert afterwards.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 30, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here is my ST solution for Sunday night...
Keep Hester off the field on forth down…here is how…
Teach Bradshaw or Jacobs how to “punt” the ball. They don’t need to punt well because we will be using the “reverse fake punt”. It’s genius really. On forth down, we line up as if we are going for it because we have no faith in Dodge or our return coverage (we obviously don’t). So, Eli takes the snap…quick pitch to either #27 or #44 and who ever gets it punts that bitch over the defense and with no return specialist on the field we eliminate the TD return.
Hey…maybe we get some safety who tries to dive on the ball and we recover a muffed possession attempt.
This will only work once…obviously.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
It looks
like we found a replacement for Tom Quinn, lol!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Sep 30, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I've replaced Quinn already
in my own mind
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Randall Cunningham holds the NLF record for longest punt
99 yard punt by a QB. He did exactly that. And I have never seen it since. But he did it on third down I think.
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 30, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
me neither
and I’m pretty sure you’re right about 3rd down
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Dodge will be fine....
and I have a feeling, this whole Hester thing is going to end up being nothing
…and I have faith in Dodge
You're probably right about that...
Last week was Hester’s first return for a TD in 2 years. Their pass rush is what worries me more.
Feagles
Is Feagles still acting as coach to Dodge? Better yet, any chance of talking Feagles out of retirement? I wonder what Feagles first year in the league was like?
by jfostersbnation on Sep 30, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
I love it
you got a guy that is bangin girls that can’t drink at the bar with a pregnant wife, no job, lost all credibility and in a complete free fall in his career.
Yep, that is who I like to get criticized by – a complete loser.
Wouldn’t it be nice if for once someone in the Giants organization told him to shut up.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Can we stop with the Titan talk
it’s over we lost. They got us.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
I am fine with Dodge being terrible
Give our kick coverage a chance to develop into (if all goes well) the second worst in the league. High aspirations take challenges however. Kick those line drives Mr Dodge. Let;s see who wants to be a Giant. Make that coverage cover. If they can.
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 30, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
ATTITUDE
This team needs some ATTITUDE. First, fire Quinn. Get their attention. Then fine a player everytime he acts friendly toward an opposing team, unless we’re ahead by 4 touchdowns with 90 seconds left in the fourth quarter. I am personally tired of seeing Bradshaw bounce up and pat the opposing linebacker in thanks for knocking the snot out of him. Play clean but play with ATTITUDE.
Its a good thing for Tiki that he was a hell’uva running back. If he had started out as a journalist-analyst he would never have made it off the back pages of the Nowhere Gap News.
I agree with much of
what you say but Bradshaw is actually taking a smart approach to defensive attacks. When they lay the lumber to you and you bounce up like that was a good hit but……didn’t od much to me…it is a bit demoralizing.
Hate to say it but Tiki used to do the same thing and it infuriated the opposing teams.
Understand your point
Guess I was thinking more of the Jim Brown approach. Nonchalant, but focused. No laughing, no joking. Play it out.
I see the logic in both or your comments...
but personally, I’d like to see some of those helmet pats thrown at some of his OL men sometimes.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 30, 2010 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
worse yet,
when we tackle a guy and then help him up. leave the POS on the ground. ignore him. walk on him. whatever. just stop being so friendly and helpful.
not even the sportsmanship aspect but
you’re wasting your own energy to help the opponent conserve theirs!
If I was a coach (god forbid) I would ban my players from helping an opponent up.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's that photo of Tiki leaving his wife?
Someone posted it earlier this year.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I don't feel so bad about hester
I mean our special teams suck so much already, how much more can they suck?
Yes I realize this is completely illogical. I think it’ll be a normal (sucktastic) special teams showing)
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Blackburn, Tiki, Titans
1. Blackburn coming back a boost? How is that possible — ST have stunk with or without him for several years.
2. STFU Tiki. Honest to God. You piss away good will faster than Bush after 9/11.
3. My dad taught me it’s the retaliation that gets caught when I was like, 7. It’s idiotic to be that out of control. And again, I think it speaks to a lack of a disciplined atmosphere being enforced by COughlin. Not that he’s not trying, but it seems the players at this time aren’t buying in.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
We are pathetic????...hmmm..Who is "Coughman"...???..
Some dude with a cold?..The Titans aren’t a good team?..Losing our cool..fighting with our Sisters?..Manning up?..You are a fucking idiot…Go hide in a closet and ‘wax’ your carrot…The Bears are a few days away from becoming “The Cubs”..Do your jerking off in your own closet..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
No need to be so damn
polite, Bobbi.
You do it all the time, not telling us how you really feel.
Let it all out.
You’ll feel bettedr for it.
LOL George..
Yeah I guess I gave this moron my version of “Sticks and Stones”
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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