'Kudos & Wet Willies': Preseason Finale
The NFL preseason is over for the New York Giants after Thursday's 20-17 victory over the New England Patriots. The game provided one final shot for starters to fine tune, and 'bubble' players to impress Tom Coughlin and Jerry Reese.
It also provides one final opportunity for a preseason 'Kudos & Wet Willies'. So, here are my thoughts on who deserves praise, and who should not be very happy this morning.
Kudos to ...
- Jonathan Goff: Played three quarters or so due to Phillip Dillard getting hurt, and played exceedingly well. Seven tackles, many right at the line of scrimmage, and an interception. He was also much, much better in pass coverage than he had been against the Baltimore Ravens.
- Michael Boley: Seven tackles, a deflected pass and one excellent pressure on a blitz from the outside. Amazing! Two 'kudos', two linebackers. Who'da thunk it?
- First Offensive Line (even Adam Koets): Sorry, Will Beatty, but the Giants offensive line will stay as it has the past few seasons. That group did an excellent job in the first two series Thursday. I even hate to say it, but Koets is looking more and more comfortable at the center spot.
- Shawn Andrews: The big fella is an absolute earth-mover from the left guard spot. Did you notice how many times the Giants ran behind the former Pro Bowler when they needed yards Thursday night, and the fact they succeeded when they did it? It's only a matter of time before Andrews supplants Rich Seubert in the starting lineup.
- Rhett Bomar: His numbers don't tell the story. Two drops by Tim Brown, one by Derek Hagan and one by Victor Cruz make his nmbers (11-for-24, 171 yards, one TD, one INT) look a lot worse than they should. He air-mailed a couple of throws, but played fairly well, getting Coughlin to say "he did some very nice things." Did he do enough nice things to earn the No. 2 job behind Eli Manning? Honestly, I think that depends on which veteran quarterbacks become available in the next couple of days. Bomar, though, has done everything he can.
- Eli Manning: Aside from muffing the ball on that aborted flea-flicker, Manning (7-for-9, 91 yards, one TD) was outstanding. I will even give him props for ducking and not taking another hit to the head while chasing his own fumble. He's in one piece, and I'm happy about that.
- D.J. Ware and Gartrell Johnson: Both players had fairly nice nights. Ware (13 carries, 60 yards) and Johnson (12 carries, 50 yards) made impressive bids to stay on the 53-man roster. Unfortunately, I think only one makes the final cut, though.
- Matt Dodge: Terrific night punting the ball. Not so terrific holding it, though, as he muffed a snap. The seventh-round pick from East Carolina has shown tremendous improvement in three weeks, though. Now, let's see if he can carry it into the regular season.
- Bryan Kehl: Might have saved his roster spot with nine tackles, including one on an impressive goal line stand from inside the one-yard line. Missed a tackle on a kickoff, though, which led to a big play for New England.
- Duke Calhoun: Three catches for 76 yards, including the game-winning 60-yarder, and a nice tackle on special teams. No shot at making the 53-man roster, but he is going to land on a practice squad somewhere.
- Lawrence Tynes: How many kickoffs did he put into the end zone Thursday night? Three? I lost count. The guy has kicked off exceptionally well all preseason, and has not missed a field goal.
- Ahmad Bradshaw: Four carries, 26 yards and one catch for 17. The guy almost always makes the first would-be tackler miss. There is a Pro Bowl berth waiting for this guy if he stays healthy all season.
- Kevin Gilbride: Busted out a reverse and a flea flicker while the first group was still in the game. Had a nice mix of run and pass going, as well. The Giants had 32 runs and 33 passes, which is exactly the type of balance they are looking for.
Wet Willies to ...
- Tim Brown: If you have been reading, you know how badly I have wanted to see Brown makes some plays and force his way onto the 53-man roster. Well, that is not going to happen. Two drops, including one on a perfectly thrown deep ball by Bomar, a one-yard punt return, a mistake running a kickoff out from 5-6 yards deep in the end zone. One 30-yard kickoff return -- the Giants best of the preseason -- is not going to get it done. The guess here is the Giants try to pass him through waivers and get him to the practice squad.
- Clint Sintim: He didn't do anything really poorly last night. In fact, he really did nothing -- except become a second-teamer. This is really a 'Wet Willie' for an incredibly unproductive preseason for a guy the Giants were counting on as a playmaker.
- Brandon Jacobs: Not his fault he got zero carries Thursday night. But, Jacobs needs to take a lesson from Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka and shut his mouth when it comes to yapping about playing time. Sorry, dude, Ahmad Bradshaw is better. Deal with it.
- Derek Hagan: Love ya, Derek, and you will be terrific on special teams again. But, you can't go dropping touchdown passes if you want to get regular season action as a wide receiver.
- Kickoff coverage: The Giants surrendered a 57-yard return, which was mostly Kehl's fault for whiffing on a tackle when the Giants seemed to be well-positioned.
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boley
Imo gets a WW
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
by andiamo708 on Sep 3, 2010 8:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well
You can’t just throw that out there and not explain. The guy played well, I have no idea what you were watching.
lol....I was on the train and i was using my BB....
Sorry for being dedicated!! LOL
but I thought he looked poor in pass coverage….I caught him watching the QB too much. He got the sack but he also went soft on the blitz earlier in the game. Another 1st down to crumpler he was getting pushed down field like a rag doll….reminiscent of the ATL game last year when T. Gonzalez blocked/manhandling him 10 yards down the field
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I agree
Numbers can’t tell you everything, especially in a preseason game where some meaningless stats can be had. Overall I was unimpressed with what I saw out of Boley. I thought he looked very weak in coverage as well.
Boley played great last night...Need to have your BB checked,,must be getting interference from the Cowboys
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I second the motion....
The only reason Boley had a bunch of tackles is the same reason CC Brown
had a bunch of tackles – he was TORCHED In pass coverage!!! Don’t be misled by stats.
He’s is Wet Willie for sure. I’ll give him credit for one good blitz…..
The good news is
that the OL may be improved by adding Andrews for Seubert soon.
The bad news is Beatty played himself to the bench. Sintim too.
OK, look at it this way. They do not leave a hole – there are good players for those slots – and maybe they develop as the season goes along.
Sat will be interesting. I’ll take Ware over Johnson @ RB. Agree on Bomar. If a good vet QB at a reasonable price is available that may be the way they go.
Nice outlook
Beatty & Sintim will be second stringers this year, but they will still develop since they will still see plenty of action. No reason to give up on these guys yet.
and it's only their second years
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Agreed
Both will play significant roles before the season is over. Beatty played well at LT during the preseason and I’m still optimistic about him. At RT he is very uncomfortable, since it is unnatural for him. Sintim has the athleticism. It just looks like he is thinking instead of just playing football and letting it go.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 3, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Some players
were kept out as a precaution (well I hope so anyway) to avoid injury.
However, the two/three players we were looking to see more playing time this season(Sintim,Beckum and Barden) have had poor preseasons. Indeed Beckum has been virtually non existant.
With the need to get production out of every roster spot you would have to say Sintim and Beckum maybe on the bubble after 2011 as we cannot afford to carry players ala Moss before it starts to impact on the team.
Let’s hope that Andrews is performing well because he wants to play football rather than the big carrot that is hanging for him at the end of the season.
by G Fan in England on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
Special Teams
Special Teams in general looked sloppy last night. Bad coverage, and the only return that looked nice was Manningham’s.
Any chance we’ll look at some special team players outside of our team?
hope so
thats how they got Hixon in 2007… denver practice squad after the season started
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I would
certainly hope so, especially on kickoff coverage. I noticed Carolina has a dangerous kickoff returner in the preseason, even if they haven’t shown much else so far.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Sep 3, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The only way I think Bomar is not the #2
is if a great deal falls from the sky into JR’s lap. If a FA QB is available, by all means bring them in for a look. But I think it would be insanity to give up anything of value at this point. I like Calhoun’s effort last night, but I don’t know if he survives the PS. A team with crappy receivers like the Rams or Jags would be nuts not to give him a look.
I did not like the Jacobs sounded. It was probably more bitter than intended because of the immediate frustration, but to rip the organization like that can sow some very bitter seeds, especially if he has supporters like T.O. did in Philly.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 3, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions
Banks, I hate to say it, hit the nail on the head
Our blitzers, don’t finish the job. Even nonblitz plays, how many times did we get guys in the right spot only to have the play get by them for another 5 or 6 yards.
I’m hoping this is just a preseason thing.
Tim gets a one way trip off the 53, like many I rooted for him but there is no room for a guy who doesn’t show up.
Keep Rhett. that is all
And a huge Kudos to the entire squad on the goal line stand. That could be just the kind of thing that alot of those guys can use to launch themselves into a higher gear for the regular season, the most fire I’ve seen in a long time from this team.
Agreed. Our blitz package ...
just seems like it has “warning track power”. It “almost” gets there. The 3rd and longs that get converted on us are still mighty frustrating.
Wow Jacobs, Wow
Seriously, one of my favorite Giants players just nosedived into my least favorites with one single night. He’s complaining about losing his job and how this is a “backstabbing business”?
You didn’t lose your job because of backstage politics, you lost it because you’re not a great runningback anymore.
Geez that article has me steaming. Jacobs needs to shut up.
He's always had a big pie-hole..
Frankly, I mentioned this last year..He’s all talk and no action..I would cut him and keep Bradshaw, Gartrell and Danny..BJ is done stick a fork in him…He a legend in his own mind..time to stick his ass on a donkey and watch him ride off into the sunset.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
The reason I said Donkey is because he can't ride a Horse
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Whoa Bobbi
Gatrell and Ware over Jacobs? I agree he should shut his mouth and play but that is crazy talk.
I think with a healthy knee he’s gonna be a different player this year. Maybe never to 2007 standards again but certainly a RB 2. Especially if he can run downhill again.
Heck, he even showed good hands catching that high pass over the middle yesterday.
Unfortunately
had to listen to Randy Cross and Criqui (how old is Criqui anyhow?)…They were talking
about the Giants depth at wide receiver and Cross still thought Sinorice Moss was still
on the team, read the pre-games there Randy. I wouldn’t give a wet willie to Hagan on that play, would have been a very tough catch between two defenders.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
I had to watch (listen) to them too.
and then they had the balls to show Carl Banks doing the color for the NY broadcasts. Talk about adding insult to injury!!
Johnsonssssss
Thanks, Ed- excellent calls as usual.
Think you’re correct on Gartrell, sadly enough. Nice to have luxury of keeping him. Maybe put him in defensive backfield with the other 3 Johnsons- heh. heh.
But I do think that #29, one of the Johnsons , can really tackle. He may be the best tackler on the team. He’s the youngest one of the three, and I think he could do some damage in place of Ross as the constant nickel. He does cover better than Bruce Johnson, though unsure of his speed, etc.
And I still question the Barden future. How long is he given “time”? Another Moss?
D.J. Johnson
Can tackle, but he can’t cover. No way I want to see him out there in meaningful games.
yup....
if he’s shown one thing this pre season….he can wrap up and hit someone….but he’ll give you fits in coverage.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
JPP
Was a beast on the goal line, I watched him beat that right tackle down and stop the RB at the point of attack like four times it was such a nice play…Kiehl with the assist but it was JPP who turned the play off tackle into a stop.
I also love Rolle just doing his thing, right place right time…what about Goff’s speed running down the wideout after the botched tackle? That’s the kind of athleticism we need at LB.
JPP was a monster
his pursuit along the line on running plays reminds me of another DE that used to play in NY….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
agreed on his run stopping
I think we all had a preconceived notion that this guy was a one trick pony, ala Osi, but I continue to be impressed by how well he handles the run game.
On more than just that goal line stand I saw him driving his man into the running lane and really jamming things up in the backfield. the one series that comes to mind is the drive when NE’s back had to cut back against the grain of the play on consecutive plays to avoid taking a loss on runs to JPP’s side, Joseph missed the guy the first time when he was dead, and he was driven directly into the LB’s on the second play.
I really think this kid could be special
Glad to see Goff have a good game
probably doesn’t shut up his contingent of haters, but nice to see him show up on the stat sheet.
Nice way to end the preseason, the O looked normal, Bradshaw may be more Tiki Barber then I ever thought he’d be (tho Tiki wishes he had Bradshaw’s speed).
The D looked decent, tough to really get a ton of stops against a team like the Pats with all their dink and dunk Welker, TE crap.
Goff
I have never been a Goff “hater” but I WOULD like to see someone play into that spot who has a bigger upside. Goff is smart and calls the plays well. Physically and athletically I am of the opinion he maxes out as a grade B linebacker. He won’t hurt you but the dominance and the big plays just won’t be there. Hope he proves me wrong.
But the man has played well and deserves to start.
So if Bulluck starts at SAM then the backups at MIKE are Dillard and…….??
I agree on Goff... he seems just a steady player - but don't really see an upside..
but for now, that’s all we could really ask for
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Goff
showed the ability to be a solid backup MLB, nothing more. Which is pretty much how I’ve viewed his potential since he started with us.
that OK
He’s not that and won’t be. He’ll be a solid starter for the Giants this year.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares if he is a star if he can make the routine plays
Their are other guys on this defense to make the big plays
Goff
Hey, I’m glad he played better, even though most of his plays were against third teamers he did look more aggressive as usual. We NEED him to get better.
I’m rooting for the guy, but to this point he has been disappointing for a guy who has been in development.
All of our linebackers are a liablity in pass coverage, its scary thru the intermediate zones. I really don’t think what pressure we bring will matter much if we cannot cover in the flat because it will be 3 step drops for every QB we face and we are going to have trouble….
Kiehl
If you mean that long reception And run down the right side, that was Kiehl, not Goff.
Yup
Kehl saved a TD twice on that drive. Running down the guy from behind, he showed great speed btw. Then showed a lot of power by taking the RB down from behind. Thought for sure he was in the EZ. Agree he had help but he made two big plays there.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Saw the highlight for that
and I was like, wait, aren’t our LBers really slow? Who the heck is that?!?
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Rolle's INT
Showed incredible ball skills going up for the pick, in front of Randy Moss no less. I really am excited about seeing him run some picks back this seasons.
Anyone know if/ how long/ how well Kenny Phillips played?
Special Team help
Hopefully we can pick up some help for the special teams.Bad enough to give a elite QB like Brady a short field but even worse is to give a short field to a non-elite QB to build his confidence.First game is Carolina with Moore at QB.We need to make him go 80 yards and put together long drives.We have to stop losing the battle of field position!!!!!!
Maybe Coughlin cuts Beckham or another player who everyone thinks has potential and shakes up the team.Players need to start to perform.Actions speak louder than words!
Ed I think you hit the nail on the head with your Kudos & Wet Willies!
I know Calhoun seems like practice squad material
But if the team keeps 8 WRs like last year, doesn’t that mean he gas a shot at 53?
i think they only had 7 last year
i say this season they go with 6
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, i was thinking that, don't know where i got 7 from
I guess that 9 is why i should type out the names instead of counting in my head :)
Different question, if Calhoun is a much better gunner than Cruz, then what do you do??
Likely that neither will make any impact as a WR, but on covg teams could be huge??
good question
TC loves a good SP player with Calhoun, but Cruz will get taken by another team in a heartbeat if they try to practice squad him. I would like to see Cruz 4th on the depth chart. I guess we find out Sat but the wavier wire will still be something TC looks at.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't see the game
so Koets started and Beatty didnt?
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Dodge and Tynes
Really did impress me last night, it’s a shame the rest of our Special teams is garbage.
Hakeem Nicks could have gotten a Kudos, had a couple good catches, and a nice end around.
Victor Cruz continued to show me he should be above 13 on the depth chart.
MM gonna be returning punts? I could live with that.
And after sleeping on it, I think I’m fine with Bomar as our backup, he certainly looks comfortable out there, and that’s really all you can ask for.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
Andrews
shows what you can do with some nice first round OL talent….
JR – hint hint!
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I disagree
they got a 3 time pro-bowler
to have a first rounder turn out to have multiple pro-bowls
I think they got the best of him… I do hope he returns to that form for us…
even if he doesn’t just being a super sub or anchoring down that LG – I’ld be content
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
rather have good OL then worry about what round they're drafted int
maybe age has caught up to enough of them that the unit doesn’t play well, but this OL was in the top 2 in the NFL not too long ago. Snee was the highest pick as a 2nd rounder.
I agree it doesn't matter what round they come in...
and I know the Giants like to nurse their OL from the mid to late rounds…but Gawd-Damn, if we pick up a 1st round road grader…and he starts year 1 instead of year 3 or so…. that would be nice…wishful thinking it’ll only happen if he’s the best player on the board…and we can afford to draft one
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Andrews is the biggest pleasant surprise ...
of pre-season. OL is the biggest problem for all 4 NFC Beast teams, and this could tip the scales in our favor if he can physically hold up.
And I gotta agree with his “Giants more of a family than Philly” comment. I don’t think any team has been more cut throat with their personnel than Philly, but it is one of the reasons they thrive under the cap year after year. Might be what keeps them out of the big game, too.
I don't buy that family deal in NY over Philly
that was just Andrews being Andrews… and maybe trying to antagonize Philly fan.
Dodge vs Zoltan
for those guys that don’t like Dodge, looking at the box score – didn’t the Giants 7th round pick just outplayed the Pat’s 5th round counterpart?
avg of 47.4 yds to 43.8 yds and a long of 60 to 51… he’s going to be a good one…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
hey, it still is a big topic...for those that saw him as not coming around...
it’s a battle of field position… Games can be won or loss because of it…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Games are won or lost on field position.
We need this kid to perform.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 3, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Dodge improving from week to week gives me a bit of ease, but the special teams still suck badly.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Dodge hammered the ball from the end-zone to the Pats thirty..
If we had a good coverage team, I’d say he did his job..Let’s face it Feagles would have given them a much shorter field.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
He still
has to get more consistent with hang time, a couple more line drives last night, but he made
progress this preseason, and when he went he hits one, it’s a boomer too!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Sep 3, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with you GG...
No question Dodge can get distance, but hang time and consistency are works in progress. Still, he’s come a long way and since he has the basic talents and abilities, given that he has been progressing, I’m thinking he keeps the position and grows into it with more work and experience.
Takes time for a young player at any position to get comfortable to the NFL
I know some expect rookies to play like 6th year vets, but doesn’t work like that.
Dodge will be fine and I think by mid-season we’ll be glad he’s the punter instead of Feagles.
Will suck to see a drive stall out in our own half, but at least Doge has the leg power to gain field position.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Phillips
Superman is back!!!!!!!!! Kenny was flying around last night, lighting defenders up. I think he deserves a kudos Ed. He was amazing, nothing got behind him and he stepped and made some ferocious hits. Antrell and Kenny, best duo in the league.
by nicksdafuture on Sep 3, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
thank GOD that this kid is back
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people doubted KP
They’re going to be eating crow very soon. KP will play in Week 1. He might even start.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Goal Line stand
No Kudo’d for that goal line stand? I thought that was huge
for the defense! + 2 picks and under 20 points allowed.
Goff was an absolute beast last night! he was all over the place!! nice way to end the preseason..Go Big Blue!
by BigBluefaninTexas on Sep 3, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
agreed
aside from that rookie tight end catching his 20th TD of the pre-season, i though the red zone defense was good.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
+1000
That goal dtand as I said last night fires up the entire defensive unit..rookies, veterans, everybody.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I'm much more relieved going into the season now
I liked the way the 1st teamers came out there. There motivated and on top of their job.
Eli looked cool, calm and collected. I think he really wanted to show everyone that he’s fine. -—-Bradshaw looked really good. Tough and fast.
-Hopefully, hopefully yesterday was a sign that Boss will be a bigger part of the offense.
-Andrews is an absolute beast. I give him a couple weeks to learn the calls and terminology before he’s starting.
-The DEF looked much better. I didn’t see Goff in a Klesko back pedal all night.
-Can’t wait to see Rolle and Phillips out there at the same time. Thats gonna be deadly for the TEs and RBs in our division.
On a side note, clearly some of us were right, the preseason does matter. Because anyone who watched that game last night can tell that every man on that field and every coach on that sideline, CARED. They were pumped, and they played that game with the same zest and commitment that we all expected them to play in the 3rd game. They knew they dogged that Ravens game. And they wanted to make sure they showed something this game. I saw guys play deep into a game that “starters” don’t normally play in very much, if they play in the game at all. Another sign that that preseason game meant something…The guys who post here consistantly said the games meant nothing, all of sudden feel like some giant players, i.e. Goff, are now vindicated because of their play in the second half of the 4th game of the preseason. So all in all, I think we can all agree, that we were all hopeful the Giants would play well yesterday, and they did.
Rolle and Phillips

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
seminoles & gators
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
zing.....
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed 100%
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 3, 2010 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Extra Kudos and WW are in order.
WW to Eli for the non contact fumble ad the forward ball-bat out of bounds that followed resulting in the penalty.
A six-pack of WWs for Gilbride fo the quick pass (to the right this time). The play is a total waste of energy and a down.
Kudos to Nicks for 15+ catch he made last night amd the run as well.
The OL gets Kudos for tje improved pass protection.
WW to Dodge et. seg. for the muffed FG attempt.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 3, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
WW to Eli for non contact fumble acceptable.
Giving one for the bat though?
That’s a heads up play, saved a change in possesion.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I just gave Eli 1 Tito.
All of that transpired during one play so the WW is for the one play. The batted ball was a by product of the fumle. It was a heads up play on Eli’s part. I just don’t understand how he dropped the ball. He has to secure that ball when running.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But no Kudos
for marching down the field and scoring from terrible field position? He was in command and a general on that drive.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
especially
LoNJDTechnology
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Mis-read
Thought you meant WW for the fumble AND one for the Penalty.
All good in the proverbial hood my man.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think collectively..
The entire team deserves a kudo..There were some individual willies that will most likely result in being cut or sent down to the PS, but overall the team played great football..I don’t see Calhoun on our PS…He’ll be somewhere else if they don’t find a way to keep him…I hope they manage to find a roster spot for that kid…He can motor..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
So earlier this week, the Bucs released Derrick Ward
Personally, I would love to see Earth, Wind, and Fire reunited. You could say that it would feel so good.
I'm sure Jacobs would love that
since he’s already crying now
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if I logged into the right website here
Hey guys, what happened to the doom and gloom? How did the Giants turn from totally without hope to Kudos for Bryan Kehl in one week? Talk about Jekyl and Hyde. Not the team, us. Now let’s keep this positive momentum going on the site and not go back to a bunch of depressives when the best running team in football gives us headaches in the first game. We may very well have the guys we need, but we aren’t going to be dominant every week. And that’s okay. If we go 0-3 in the beginning, still good chance that this team makes the playoffs. We only need to be the 2008 Giants, not the 1972 Dolphins. Remember the Super Bowl Giants started out 0-2 and were behind by 2 touchdowns at the half of game 3. Let’s temper the expectations at the beginning of this year, we have a lot of guys trying to do new things. We don’t need to post about getting rid of Manning. We will look terrible at moments the first few weeks. maybe whole games. Normal. But we will have real games where we are all feeling like we do right now also. Take your medication like the doctor said.
And let the season begin.
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 3, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
I think this was
the first time they went out and played with a little bit of emotion. It was something we’ve been begging for ever since watching last years quit job.
It was encouraging to see them get fired up and show some signs of life.
I felt like this whole offseason has been a bunch of banter on how " we’re not that team that went out there last year." and all I had seen so far was that same exact lackluster effort. Camp was boring, no briliance, the guys who were fighting for jobs showed no drive, no extra push to grab the opportunity in front of them. And the first 3 games were equally as lame. It left me saying they are still the same team that quit last year.
We sat here and picked apart players that we’re giving us very little else to say about them.
Last night they showed some Fire. The mistakes were stil there (defense over the middle in the passing game still looks weak) but I saw some emotion, and saw guys in the backfield (plays weren’t always made) but guys were moving quicker and with purpose.
For the first time since we were 5-0 last season, I’m actually encouraged about the season.
Now
hopefully they keep playing with passion.
Lol. What is the world coming to when you can't criticize a player for not playing well.
Last I checked, Russia was in Europe and we could say what we want in the US. Bad play and bone-headed mistakes warrant a negative reaction. If your team plays terrible and you are happy about that then maybe we should look at you more closely and try to figure out who your REAL favorite team is.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 3, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What's tickin people off...
Would be that people are only pointing out one side of the deal. If you’re going to point out what someone does wrong, you should also point out what he does right.
by Well-Rounded Cube on Sep 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Beckum survive the final cut?
I’m of the opinion no. Obviously I may be dead wrong, but I think one of either Barden or Beckum, the two second year “projects” will be gone. We need special teams players who will actually get to play, we might want to keep three quarterbacks if Reese finds a cheap vet who he feels is game ready and wants to nurse Bomar along for another year, cornerback could use a boost and we have an abundance of receivers. I’m guessing that Barden has the best chance of staying as his size makes him a bit more unique and he has a natural position. Beckum hasn’t been able to get on the field and there’s really no place for him to play anyways, so I think he’s in trouble. I’m posting this more to see if others agree or if I’m being overly pessemistic about the idea of keeping two prospects who may not suit up even if they make the roster.
I hope not
frankly never understood this particular pick from the beginning (if you recall, drafted him and
Barden both in the 3rd round). I think they show him him the door, just not a fit with this offense.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Sep 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Barden stays and Beckum goes
But teams are reluctant to give up on guys drafted that high (see Moss S.)
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I'm confused!!!
Who are all those people mentioned in the Kudos section? The sectioned has Goff and Gilbride as bookends!
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
Andrews
He might turn out to be a tremendous asset for us. And better yet, it has to have the Eagles chapped…. I feel alot better about the OL now rather than depending on Whimper et al…
Tim Brown
at best will be on the Giants practice squad. He hasn’t done enough for any team to pick him up.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
If the team that played last night shows up next Sunday...
then I’d say it’s a sure thing! Go Giants!

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