NFL Roster Cuts: Final Giants' 53-Man Roster Projection
by Ed Valentine on Sep 3, 2010 9:50 AM EDT
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With NFL teams needing to get to the 53-man roster limit Saturday, here is one final projection for what I think the New York Giants roster could look like.
To be honest, I feel like I'm on a little shaky ground as I do this. There are several positions in flux, at least in my mind, and the Giants could be fairly active with waiver-wire pickups over the weekend. So, let's just see how close I can get.
Quarterbacks (2) -- Eli Manning, Rhett Bomar
Analysis -- Opportunity knocked for Bomar this preseason, and he has taken advantage of it. With Manning sidelined for a game and Jim Sorgi landing on Injured Reserve, the second-year player from Sam Houston State has done enough to earn this job. He is a work in progress, sure, and if the right veteran falls from the tree of an NFL roster it would not be shocking for the Giants to make a move there. Remember, however, that the Giants have been trying for years to develop a young backup quarterback of their own. Bomar could be that guy.
Running Backs (5) -- Ahmad Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs, Andre Brown, Gartrell Johnson, Madison Hedgecock
Analysis -- Sorry, D.J. Ware. You had a nice game Thursday night, but your time has come and gone. The key indicator for me is that Ware, who returned some kickoffs last season, has not gotten any opportunities there at all. Gartrell Johnson has been the lead blocker on kickoffs the entire preseason. Johnson ran well last night, made a nice tackle on special teams and did a good job picking up blitzers, particularly on the game-winning touchdown pass. Andre Brown has earned his opportunity, even if turf toe sidelines him for Week 1.
Wide Receivers (6) -- Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Victor Cruz, Derek Hagan, Ramses Barden.
Analysis -- I really had hopes Tim Brown would show enough to make the final roster, but it just did not happen. Barden is sixth on the list right now, and at this point it looks like he might spend a lot of Sundays inactive again.
Tight Ends (3) -- Kevin Boss, Bear Pascoe, Scott Chandler
Analysis -- Yes, Scott Chandler as the third tight end instead of Travis Beckum. No, I don't think the Giants are giving up on Beckum. Just a suspicion here that Beckum winds up on Injured Reserve. He has barely practiced most of the preseason, and whenever he does he seems to wind up sidelined again with some type of neck ailment. Whatever is going on with the guy, it's tough to give a roster spot to a backup who can't even get on the practice field. IR would be a logical option. I'm curious about the medical reports on Beckum over the next day or so, because this one will change if the Giants believe Beckum is healthy enough.
Offensive Linemen (9) -- Starters: David Diehl, Rich Seubert, Shaun O'Hara, Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie. Reserves: Will Beatty, Mitch Petrus, Shawn Andrews, Adam Koets
Analysis -- A lot of things clarified themselves about this group Thursday night. Shawn Andrews could be a beast once he learns the offense. Adam Koets is making the team. Somehow, Guy Whimper might still find a roster spot -- I just can't figure out how. Jacob Bender, a guy we have not talked about the entire preseason, may find his way to the practice squad.
Defensive Line (9) -- Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Osi Umenyiora, Jason Pierre-Paul, Dave Tollefson, Chris Canty, Barry Cofield, Linval Joseph, Rocky Bernard
Analysis -- I just can't see any possible way the Giants can keep 10 defensive linemen. Which means, unfortunately, Jay Alford is the odd man out. When preseason started I would have said Rocky Bernard would lose his spot, but Bernard started Thursday night and has made some nice plays in all four of the preseason games. He has to stay. Dave Tollefson has to stay, as well, since he is a key special teams guy.
Linebackers (7) -- Michael Boley, Keith Bulluck, Jonathan Goff, Clint Sintim, Gerris Wilkinson, Phillip Dillard, Chase Blackburn
Analysis -- Before Thursday night, I though Bryan Kehl's roster spot was in serious jeopardy. Nine tackles later, including one on a goal-line stand from inside the one, I still think Kehl goes and Blackburn stays. It could be Wilkinson as odd man out, but we will see.
Cornerbacks (4) -- Corey Webster, Terrell Thomas, Aaron Ross, Bruce Johnson
Analysis -- I fully expect the Giants to have five corners when the season opens against Carolina. I just don't expect the fifth corner to come from anyone on the current roster. Simply, D.J. Johnson, Seth Williams and Courtney Brown are not -- in my eyes -- worthy of NFL roster spots.
Safeties (5) -- Antrel Rolle, Deon Grant, Kenny Phillips, Michael Johnson, Sha'reef Rashad
Analysis -- Obviously, we know who the big three are at safety. I had been convinced prior to Thursday that Michael Johnson's days were numbered, but he played fairly well against the Patriots. In addition, neither Sha'reef Rashad nor John Busing have really been impressive. I have Rashad on the 53-man right now, but if I was him I would be nervous. He could be the odd man out when (yes, when, not if) the Giants grab a veteran cornerback off the waiver wire. Or, for that matter, if the Giants want to keep Whimper or Alford.
Specialists (3) -- Punter, Matt Dodge; Placekicker, Lawrence Tynes; Long snapper, Zak DeOssie
Analysis -- The only question mark is Dodge. I think he has shown enough improvement throughout camp to earn the job. If he struggles, though, the Giants won't hesitate to replace him during the season.
Other notes
First, I fully expect the Giants to be active on the waiver wire. A kick returner, a cornerback, maybe a backup quarterback are all among the possibilities.
Second, since the Practice Squad question always comes up, here are the basics of the Practice Squad rules from the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
- Practice Squads consist of up to eight players.
- Practice Squad players are free to sign with other teams during the season, provided they are placed on that team's 53-man roster.
- A player cannot serve more than two seasons on an NFL Practice Squad.
- To be eligible for a Practice Squad a player must a) have less than one full season of NFL experience on an active roster b) free-agent players who have been on an Active List for fewer than nine NFL games.
By the way, if you were so incline you could read the entire CBA here.
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com. Follow Big Blue View on Twitter.)
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ed...what I like about this
is that not only is it well thought out….but it’s different…which i commend. And I know that means a lot to you coming from me….LMAO.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
you're quote originally comes from pulp fiction
seinfield took is from there. mr wolfe says that to vincent vega, after vega shoots marvin in the face and then asks wolfe to be more polite when trying to get him out of a bad situation…
usually my memory is on point when it comes to seinfeld....
but i’m drawing a total blank here.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I'm drawing a blank from Pulp Fiction.
And I’ve seen it many times
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 3, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That's just my signature....
that’s not part of my comment.
It’s good b/c a) I like seinfeld and b) unfortunately i tick a lot people off so it’s the constant disclaimer that it’s not intentional…
as far as I’m concerned everyone on this board that is a Giants fan is cool w/ me…
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Don't put words in my mouth bro.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
"as far as I’m concerned everyone on this board that is a Giants fan is cool w/ me…"
~ Don’t put words in my mouth bro. ~
Joke.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Telephones
could be ringing around the league.
If we can upgrade a position by trading Ware for someone I would explore the possibilities – after all you cannot rely on getting the player you want through Waivers so a quick trade solves the problem.
Otherwise it is hard to find fault with that roster.
by G Fan in England on Sep 3, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
Trades are rare
because teams know the player if not traded would probably be cut.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
I know
but if a player is claimed by several teams you might not get him depending on the waiver order.
A trade can get the job done.
by G Fan in England on Sep 3, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
True
But to ensure they get the player vs. having to fight it out on the waiver wire it might happen a la Ryan Grant a few years ago. I could see something like that happening with one of the extra WRs or maybe even RB.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
These trades usually fetch 5th rounders or lower
Think Ryan Grant
I would like to apologize now
I thought for a while that Grant was taken off the practice squad. We did get a low round pick for him, which isn’t much more consoling.
Sorry for any confusion I’ve caused
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Blackburn
Not sure about this guy sticking around. I think Kehl won himself a spot after last night. He was playing with some fire (probably because he knew his job was on the line). He’s probably one of the more athletic and speedy LB’s we have. If he can get his game to come full circle, he’ll be a beast. Just my opinion of course. Maybe like you said it’ll be Wilkinson that goes. Awesome write up as always.
Stupid side note – I always liked using Kehl in Madden because he was the fastest LB they had lol.
Kehl is an athlete
not a football player. I take Blackburn over him Friday through Saturday and twice on Sunday.
LMAO blue, you almost sound like you believe that non sense
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
It doesn't matter
Coughlin believes that ~ nonsense ~ , he loves Chase
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
But Black has reached his expiration date
Most coaches will cut a guy at this point if they can’t challenge for a starters spot
While its still a long shot, Kehl has more upside than Blackburn
ST
Blackburn is one of the best ST guys we have. He needs to be on this roster, as does Alford IMO. I’d let MJ or SR go at S before dumping Alford.
As Andiamo has pointed out repeatedly
Our ST stink, so being the best ST player on a poor squad, means you are expendable.
What I think is in Blackburn’s favor is his experience, its like a safety blanket for TC, Kehl, Goff, Sintim, have virtually zero experience
Boley, Bulluck none in our scheme.
I'm still trusting my gut and taking Alford over Tolly
Sorry guys….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
that's a tough one
you have Alford who hasn’t shown his full potential yet
and on the other corner, Tolly who has been very solid
Alford can long snap, who ended up long snapping last year? besides DeOssie
Tolly played some time at OLB on their big base package
to me both, don’t seem to have a very high upside
it may come down to pure numbers of how many DTs they want to keep compared to DEs they want to keep
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
although I think they have greater flexibility with the DEs overrall
so I would still pick Tolly over Alford… I mean you can have Tuck, Kiwi or even Tolly play in the inside as DTs every once in a while
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I think that if Alford had more time towork off the sluggishness resulting from not playing a while he will play well.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 3, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, but the question really is...
can the Giants afford to keep him now while he works his sluggishness out of his system or are there more important pieces to keep- that’s what makes it so tough IMO
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I know but I suspect the latter.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 3, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
Special teams will make the difference there. Tollefson is a key contributor on all the special teams. Alford is not, especially with a rehabbing knee.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 3, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Tolly is a key contributor on specials?
is that really accurate or does he just play on special?
our special teams sucks btw.
put JPP and Linval out there
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
It is accurate.
He’s one of the only good special teams players we have. Our ST consists, almost solely, of him, Blackburn and Hagan.
You can't know how good he really is, because as a unit they make so few plays
Perhaps he is too slow to make the big play, and on a better unit would be invisible
Err... wrong
Alford’s on ST ability is snapping. We have Deossie who is better than Alford by a country mile. Tolly is a stud on ST. Tolly has been solid at DE throughout the preseason applying a lot of pressure on the opposing QBs and playing the run well. Alford not so much. Alford ahd a few nice plays, but was not a steady force like Tolly. Alford plays only DT. Tolly this preseason has played DE, DT, and LB. Talk about versatility.
So what he took snaps at all of those positions. He isnt a very good DE, he got some pressure against 2nd, 3rd, and never stringers. He isnt getting on the field with all of the other DE’s we have. And seriously, he is NEVER getting snaps at LB in a game.
People like him cause he hustles, but he isnt any good. Mediocre at best. He is an NFL DE, but not on our team.
Tolly has played more meaningful snaps than Alford has
So I’m not sure how you can say he isn’t going to get on the field. JPP may have some athletic abilities, but he is still very raw. I’d say chances are very high this season Tolly will see more snaps than JPP.
Still have Kiwi, Tuck, and Osi
JPP will see time in obvious passing situations because one thing he can do now is get after the QB. Alford is coming off an injury and probably wont be effective until later in the year but he has potential. Tolly has no upside. He is a bubble player that isnt at a position of need for us.
Alford has more potential and is more likely to play down the stretch
There are 4 DE’s higher on the depth chart than Tollefson.
On passing downs Alford is probably #3 on the depth chart behind Tuck and Canty.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And he gets penetration he won't last an hour on waiver wire
Tollie will make practice squad
he's not eligible
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
chopp chopp
Yeah that’s true but remember the big sack that Alford had late in the superbowl then the following season he blew his achellies keep Alford keep Tolly i really don’t think that Michael Bolye helped our team at all what plays do he make none what happen to the cover skills on TE. he so call have put him on the chopping block
Alford is insurance liability
in case something happens to De Ossie. I’d rather keep Alford and drop Sha’reef
Kehl has been largely forgotten
and it looks like Sintim is going down that path as well.
Honestly….that’s a problem.
Let’s not forget these kids…..3-4 LBs that came in here and made a big transition….
The team was very high on kehl last year….than he took a small step back, boley came in and he’s been an after thought ever since….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Never agreed with taking a 3-4 LB or 4-3 DE
with the intention of converting them into a 4-3 LB. Why can’t you just pick a real LB Reese?!?!?
I agree with you 100% we already have issues at LB any way but Kiel is a good player and he can play in the system keep sintim and let boley go
Tim Brown
After last night Brown will not make the roster. He will be cut.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
I totally agree on Gartrell
From what I have seen so far this pre-season out of all the RB’s, I think he is probably the better blocker out of the backfield. He also appears to be much more durable than Ware. I like that choice alot!!
Gartrell can make the squad
like Reuben Droughns did. Lead block on kick returns
pick ups
Ed, what positions do you think the Giants will look to upgrade from players cut by other teams? They have their eye on any player in particular?
I mentioned that
Toward the bottom of the post. Most likely kick returner (regardless of position, though if he is a cornerback even better), cornerback, maybe quarterback, maybe even backup safety is a quality veteran is floating around out there who the Giants think is better than Michael Johnson.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 3, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I do like the Gartrell choice - just b/c Ware didn't win it outright
and I see Gartrell running hard every chance – even going to last year’s garbage plays… but him being lead block on KR during preseason…I don’t know if that helps his case…our KRs have been krap. But I do understand if you mean he is a good contributor in playing STs – hence showing more flexibility than Ware
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Linebackers?
What happened to the Giants rich history of linebackers? We haven’t used a #1 draft pick on a LB since Carl Banks in 1984.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Giants changed to a 4-3 since then.
4-3 values the DL, 3-4 values the LB.
by Well-Rounded Cube on Sep 3, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
We've since adopted a rich history of defensive ends.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree
A MLB is crucial in the 4-3. Even with Peirce’s mediocre talent he was a very good defensive QB and LB leader. Not drafting a top-notch LB in 26 seasons is inexcusable.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
still a mediocre talent.
doesn’t matter where you draft em. Best LB they’ve drafted since Banks was drafted in a round that doesn’t exist anymore
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
But that doesn't change the fact
That we have since adopted a rich history of DEs.
Because we have.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
and a top notch DL will make mediocre talents like Piece, Mitchel
even Barrow at that point in his career, into above average players.
The realy problem with the Giants D isn’t the LB’s. Its not even replaceing Strahan. It happened when Fred Robbins broke down at the end of 2008.
Get that DT back, the LB’s will be fine.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
great point
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Top Noth DL
will make the entire defense above average. Limited the time a QB has results in the DBs only have to cover for a few seconds.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
But if your LBs suck
The QB has quick dumps right there to the TE, RB, or slot man.
he's not gonna have them available
since they have to double-block the 4-man front
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
LB is very important. If you look at the best defenses in the NFL, chances are they have good LB’s.
The top 3-4 defenses have very good LBs
The top 4-3’s don’t. Vikings- Elite DL, average LB. Colts- Elite DE’s, below average LB. Eagles? Bengals? The top linebackers are all on 3-4 base teams.
Pierce played well before he came here
and Mitchell played well in Buffalo after leaving here, so don’t try to feed us the tired line that they were made by the DL.
they were average, run of the mill LB's.
so don’t even start that BS.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Athletically/Physically yes.
But nothing was average about Perice’s mental preperation and leadership.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
of course
that was incredible.
But you don’t get that through the draft. You get that in free agency
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Drivle
Seriously where do you come up with some of this stuff? Mental ability and leadership skills are as much a draft decision as a free agent decision.
What round was Pierce drafted in?
Barrow?
Is a UDFA a 1st rounder now?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we covered that Giants as of recently haven't spent draft picks at LB
Isn’t that the debate here? Look around the league though and you can find plenty of mental ability and leadership qualities from LBs taken at high picks in the draft.
they can be ready to start
but 9/10 won’t be manning a great, Super Bowl caliber defense.
Until they’re about 4-5 years in that is.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
They have taken LB with high draft picks
unfortunately they haven’t lived up to expectations.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Rich History?
Our “rich history” of DEs has only transpired over the last 5-10 years. That doesn’t explain the previous 15-20 years.
The Giants had great LBers in my lifetime, dating back to the 60s and into the 90s. We got lucky with Armstead in 1993 using a 8 round pick. 2009 was the first season since 1986 we even used a 2nd round pick.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
again.
the “tradition” of the LB’s went away with the 3-4.
Banks and LT would be DE’s for the Giants nowadays anyway.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
Is what I’m saying.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
When
did we switch from 3-4 to 4-3? Late 90s? Early 2000s?
AGAIN….. doesn’t explain not drafting a quality LB for 15-20 years.
No offense intended but Free an Tito make it seem like we’ve been a 43 for decades. We haven’t.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
EARLY 90's
Its past 15 years they’ve been in the 4-3. Since Parcells (and Handley) left, they’ve been in the 4-3.
I think it was Reeves 1st or 2nd year.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I've only been alive for two decades...
All I know is the 4-3
Sorry : /
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ever heard of this guy Tom Landry
You know he invented the 4-3 defense while being the DC of the Giants. A defense that had legendary LBs. This notion that the only great Giants LBs were 3-4 players is foolish drivle. We didn’t go 3-4 until what ‘81 when Parcell’s became the DC. We had a tradition well before that.
Thank You!
In the 60s and 70s we used the 43. In that period we often had great LBs. Van Pelt, Brian Kelly and Sam Huff immediately come to mind.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Right on
SOme of these guys really need to expand their Giants football knowledge before throwing around the bold statements.
Question
During our run of great LBs, did we have any hall of fame DEs?
not HOFers
but martin and marshall were good for the 3-4 system
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
we havent had great LBs recently, but we have decent ones that work in the 4-3 system. Its just different styles of defenses
agree
but it would be nice to see at least one of the recently drafter LBs to be a stud
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Martin and Marshall
Was Burt on the nose at that time?
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
in 86
yeap
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
In the sixties and seventies
There was no Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
I place a much higher priority on rushing the passer in today’s game.
Which is what defensive ends do in today’s 4-3 system.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not the 60's and 70's anymore
BTW Van Pelt was a 2nd rounder, Huff was a 3rd rounder and Kelley was a 14th rounder.
And what does that ancient history have to do with now? Landry’s 4-3 is as relevant to today’s game as the wishbone offense
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The point being
to suggest the LB is meaningless in the 4-3 is crazy. Look at most of the great defenses. Most had a very good MLB to QB the defense.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Where did anyone say LB is meaningless?
All that’s being said is in a 4-3 DEs are more important to the overall success of the defesne.
Look at the 2007 Giants.
Excellent D-Line, mediocre linebackers.
Super Bowl Champions.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
As stated
Pierce and Mitchell were not mediocre.
In your opinion.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
All we've got is opinions right?
But I’d venture I’m not alone in that analysis. It would be important to note that much of Spags systems was dependant on A gap pressure coming froma combination of the MLB and WILL. The massive pressure that got us the SB was not simply 4 man rushes. It was in fact the ability of our LBs to step up into the gaps and either blitz or bail and get to position quickly that gave opposing OLs fits and allowed our DL to be so dominant.
Let not over state to make a point
Pierce, while not the most athletic LB, was very good for us for a few years. What he lacked in speed he made up for in instinct. Mitchell was also above average.
When they were here, yes
before they came to NY there were merely average- above average LB’s. Starting caliber, nothing more.
Only thing they both had was they were thinkers.
They wouldn’t have been NYG’s if they were incredible players, they’d never hit the FA market.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell was a mediocre MLB
before coming here. Pierce was good in Washington, thats why he got a ton of money in FA to come here.
5yrs/$25mil
Boley type contract.
Starters money, and that’s what he is.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Arrington got a 7yr $49 million contract
I think the same year.
They signed him to be the impact guy on the LB unit. Pierce just to be a steady starter
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
They signed Arrington
to an “agent” deal. Almost zero guaranteed money. They signed him with hoping and praying he would be an impact player.
That's another issue
we’ll throw all this money at FA LB but won’t invest a draft pick. Yet, we’ll risk a 1st rounder this year on a project. Makes no sense.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
They must not view JPP as a project
and must have a better sense theny anyone on their plans with Osi and Kiwi.
DL is more important..as stated repeatedly.
So you shore up your future there before anything, and that’s what they did with JPP.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said Pierce wasn't good for us.
He’s one of my favorite players.
His play in the NFC Championship game defined his career, all heart.
But let’s not pretend he was anything more than he was…terrible in coverage, over-weight, and slow.
His preparation and on field leadership were the only things that kept him in the game the last two years.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
How about Dahani Jones and Michael Barrow?
Were they average?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
How can someone who claims to know all about the past great LBs...
…not think Mitchell is entirely run of the mill mediocre?
Mitchell was better for us
than any of our current LBers
He's barely better than Boley and Bulluck.
Mitchell was about as mediocre as possible. A nice player, sure.
The D-line made him look much better than he was. Would I take him back? Absolutely. But let’s not make him out to be some great LB.
He was a good starter
Not a probowl caliber player, but def better than average or “run of the mill”
You called him mediocre
which is barely adequate, poor inferior etc.
If Mitchell was still on the Giants in 2009
he’s look just as bad as everyone else. They only way he’d be better is if he was healthy.
If Tuck, Osi and Strahan and part of the time Kiwi were at 2007 form with Boley back there, Boley would mop the floor with Mitchell (assuming all are healthy).
Mitchel played well even in Buffalo
are you going to teall me the rest of the Buffalo D was so good it made Mitchell look better now?
He played fine.
Nothing special. I seriously think you must be thinking of a different player if you actually think Mitchell was anything special.
and like I've said
he’s a mediocre LB. He was healthy, that’s about the only thing he’s had on any Giants LB since he’s left.
Just like the Colts when they won the SB
just like the Saints last year when they won the SB.
Only 4-3 team that won the SB recently that I can think of that had at least one great LB is the Bucs with Derrick Brooks. And they did have that Sapp guy at DT and Simeon Rice at DE
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Vilma, Brackett, they are pretty damn good and very underrated
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
yes, they're good
they weren’t, especially Vilma, when the DL isn’t any good.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The 2000 Ravens were a 4-3 D too
w/ Ray Lewis . . . they had Goose and Sam Adams taking up space in the middle.
and
they also had fewer teams with more draft rounds. A Sam Huff in round 3 is probably a late 1st round early 2nd round today. Same with Van Pelt.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
I looked it up
Sam Huff was the 31st pick in the 1956 draft. That’s a 1st round in today’s draft.
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Van Pelt
was the 40th pick
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
And
read one of my original posts. Before drafting Sintim in round 2 the Giants hadn’t even used a 2nd round pick since Pepper Johnson.
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I believe you missed the whole
point of this discussion because the first two titles we had stars at the LB position. In all of our SB appearances except 2007 we had a stud at LB.
The discussion wasn’t about what’s working or not working. The discussion was about the Giants organization not investing a high draft pick (1st or 2nd round) on a LB in a quarter of a century prior to the Sintim pick last year.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
2000
Dhani Jones…
Michael Barrow…
And as we’ve said Armstead was an 8th rounder.
Just sayin.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
still had all the teams in the league pass on him at least twice before selecting him
who’s to say they wouldn’t do that again if that draft was including 32 teams?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
Back then they rated players and most often took best player on the board regardless of position or needs.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
so why did the leage pass on him twice?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Again
they took the best player on the board. The draft wasn’t as sophisticated then as it is now.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
so.....for the league
he wasn’t the best player on the board…twice (at least)?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, are you really failing to grasp the logic or just intentionally being annoying?
It isn’t baout teams “passing twice” it is about the players going in the order of percieved talent. If you hold the same drafting strategy throughout time he is the 31st best player available no matter what round or how many teams or how many cycles through it has been. Seriously what doesn’t click with you about that? Adding more teams and subtracting rounds does not change how the player would rate amongst the other players.
pretty sure I got it....
You got a certain # of teams..right?
So every team’s drafting the BPA…right?
So..if he’s drafted in the “3rd round” means every team passed on him twice…right? (or is that wrong?).
Sort of like a Fantasy draft, you got 9 teams, the 31st player will be a “third round picks”, but still the 31st ’best palyer".
But still got passed on at least twice…got it bub?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
So.....
Increase the number of teams per round and lower the number of rounds. Every team is still picking BPA…. right, so he is still picked 31st overall, whihc is now in the 1st round. Got it bub?
probably wouldn't work like that booboo
same teams would probably still target their BPA.
Which was not Huff.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes no sense
It’s a simple question of supply and demand.
I'd be happy with a 2nd or 3rd round targeted at LB
Our only recent high round LB pick is just another rush specialist (Sintim).
Seriously
Did you even read the post you responded to?
sometimes I just think the JR thinks too much on certain picks
for instance the tweeners or those that are for a 3-4 OLB but we are running the 4-3 base…why can’t they just pick the best player at that pick location that will fit into the current system instead of picking someone who has to learn a new position… that gets to me sometimes when JR does that… I mean it should be closer to black & white instead of being in the grey in those situations…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
wow
You folks are really going at it. Having watched the Giants since 1956, I basically agree with almost all the negative comments on the recent LB draftees ( none, really). The Giants could have had a bevy of really fine players since Ryans in ’06- Rivers, Beason, Poder…sky, Lofton, Cushing, Mathews,Connor, etc. On and on. Witherspoon, Spikes. Sure some of these were picked ahead of the Giants, but they could have maneuvered around the draft.
But, bigblue777- it was 1979, not 1981, that the Giants went to the 3/4. Van Pelt, Kelly, Carson and Dan Lloyd at LB, and Martin, Jack Gregory and Mendenhall at nose, with Jeter as a back-up to Gregory.
Yeah I couldn't remember for sure
but hey I was close :)
that you were
And your points on the LBs are so valid that it’s damn near criminal what the Giants have not done in the last 5 years at that position.
should they be locked up for winning a Super Bowl?
or maybe be on probation for going to one in 2000?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is saying that
the sarcasm doesn’t advance the discussion…
+100000
Many great 43 defenses were great because they had very good and capable LB, specifically a MLB. To suggest the Giants haven’t invested in a LB because we converted to a 43 is ludicrous and naive.
Prior to Sintim the Giants haven’t invested a quality draft pick in almost 3 decades.
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Grange77
are you going to list all the LBs that were busts in the first two rounds now? drafting is not as easy as everyone thinks, there are never sure things. If the Giants had a magic ball that told them that 100% that those linebackers were going to be that good, Im sure they would of taken them.
But look at some of the DEs that we have drafted that other teams past up on.
Drafting isn't easy
but we haven’t even tried, and it’s not like we haven’t busted on other positions.
Also
look at some of our picks. We draft Kiwi then attempt to convert him to LB. WTF? Draft a freaking LB. What’s with drafting all these projects.
Same thing this year with JPP especially when one considers we already have a glut on the DL and there was quality LBers available.
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Kiwi was drafted to play DE
they moved him to OLB so he can get on the field his 2nd year.
The only reason he was coverted back to DE was cuz Osi got hurt in 2008
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
but you draft a DE then attempt to convert him because we’re week at LB.
IMO Bottom line drafting a LB has a better chance at success than attempting to convert a DE to LB.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
I would tend to agree with that
I’m all for the Giants making LB a bigger piority. Just explaining that Kiwi wasnt drafted with the intention of moving him
Well
the 2007 draft is widely regarded as a great draft..isn’t it?
Needed a CB, Ross..whole lot more then a LB (and they signed Mitchell…and had Pierce too) so there actually wa NOT a need to draft a LB.
And they drafted Steve Smith in round 2. Bad idea? I think not.
Maybe they screwed up with Alford over Stewart Bradely in the 3rd round, but that’s nit picking.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
I have no argument with 2007. A great draft. Last year we made an attempt with Sintim.
My objection mostly lies with this season and the past 25+ years.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
well we'll see what happens this season
and being in 2 and winning one really shows that just cuz they haven’t drafted a LB in every first round doesn’t correlate to Championships.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
that's also the thing
they sign vets to play LB, so when there’s a Ryans or Beason available, they don’t draft him cuz there’s money invested there already.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Screw
signing vets. Most don’t pan out. They’re just looking for their final payday.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
they already HAD THE VETS.
And they won a FU^&KING SUPER BOWL with Pierce and Mitchell.
Screw that right? Draft the LB and go 3-13, that’s a better idea isn’t it?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Was a general statement
not only about the Giants.
Pierce was signed 2 year early. Mitchell was a good addition.
Forget the Giants. How many successful FA signings vs. unsuccessful. Arrington is one example.
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my bad then
but its based on the team. If you’re good at evaluating FA’s, which the Giants generally are if they’re healthy (Arrington was playing well before he went on IR).
And its also based on need for the draft. Also based on who’s in the draft.
They didn’t know who Justin Tuck was when they drafted Kiwi. They needed a CB and Ross was right there in 2007.
Needed a safety in 2008 and WR in 2009.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Free
you gotta admit one thing. The best way to build a team and its future is through the draft. The Giants simply haven’t done that at the LB position.
Use FA for dept and temporarily plug some holes. The Giants haven’t plugged the LB hole in a quarter of a century.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
and they've done that
why they don’t value LB as a 1st and 2nd round position, I dunno.
But they’ve been successful with their formula.
That’s why I don’t understand the infatuation with drafting the position.
I think 2010 has a glut of LB’s in the draft that probably are 1st and 2nd round talents, so we’ll see. Hopefully they won’t have to even draft one.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft a LB
not a DE when we already have a glut at that position.
No offense I simply don’t understand how you can defend the Giants recent infatuation with D-lineman in the draft and FA while ignoring other positions in need.
We won FU^&KING SUPER BOWL. Plax shoots himself in the leg the next season. Our response? Let’s sign 3 more lineman. Yes, we also signed Boley.
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they wore down in 2008
cuz of Fred Robbins wearing down. Not Plax. Not the LBs either.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Robbins wore down
and the Giants/Spags stopped playing aggressive defense. The rarely blitzed the latter part of 2008. Their defense couldn’t stop anyone on 3rd down.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Not true
We couldn’t move the ball against the Eagles.
That was because they could play 8 in the box and stop the run. Then we had 3rd and longs and Eli couldn’t find anyone because our remaining WR’s were GOD AWFUL.
The defense wore down a bit but that is not why we got kicked out of the playoffs in 2008.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn Gilbride
Calling that roll out pass in the shadow of the goal line
Eli for not ignoring it
both wore down
PHilly was picking up 3rd and longs like they were playing against high school kids.
McNabb waltzed his way to first down after first down…the Dline did wear down and the LBs got exposed.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
FU^&KING SUPER BOWL
you mentioned on a few occasions our formula won a SB. AGREED!
That same formula took us to the dog house last season. Without question our worst defense in my 50 years of living.
Our reply to that season? Drafting two more Dlinemen with our top 2 picks when we have some glaring needs. It just doesn’t make sense.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Pierce and Mitchell.
another point about the 2 you mentioned. Pierce played 4 season. Mitchell 1. Through the draft we get a LB for 8 to 10 seasons. We’re set at that position for a decade.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
I get that
but the point I’m making is I doubt they’d draft one when they just signed one.
They signed Mitchell in 07, but in the draft they had to get a CB in Ross. Much more of a glaring need then LB at that spot.
There’s just more to it then “draft a LB”.
they’ve won with “ignoring it” in the first 2 rounds and signing vets to be steady.
Most of the vets they’ve signed to be steady are middle to late (and UDFA) picks originally anyway.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
DEAD WRONG
Here’s where you are dead wrong. We draft 2 defensive lineman one year removed from signing 3 FA linemen?
So why doubt drafting a LB after we sign one?
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
the problem with that
is Pierce was steady, always in the lineup.
Canty and Bernard weren’t.
Key to the D is the DL, and they need to get that fixed before the LB’s.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't
think that if we better addressed on LB needs instead of over-staffing DL our defense would have been better? I do. Our defense was exposed mostly from our LB inabiltity to cover…. and DL getting no pressure.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
no
I don’t.
The problem is no push from the middle of the D.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We won SB
with 2 average but capable FA LB signing. Our recent history has shown it was a temporary solution. We’ve been attacked time and time with short passes due to our inability to cover anything underneath.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
As far as 1st rd goes
Free is right (cant believe i said that publicly). 2007 CB was the biggest concern, 2008 KP was available at 31, and last year WR is a bigger piority. We do need to upgrade LB, but those other positions were priority at the time. This past draft didnt offer much after McClain
Agreed
Free is right. We did address needs the last few season excluding to this seasons. I’m referring to the Giants complete lack of addressing the LB need for 25 years. Of course with the exception of stumbling on Armstead.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
If its any consolation
2010 may be the year they address LB.
Then again, the OL could probably use a 1st rounder.
Hopefully at least if they’re planning on not keeping Osi or Kiwi, they at least get something for them. At the end of the season of course.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll admit
the LB was thin. I was hoping we’d use our #1 on OL.
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Lets see how Andrews and Beatty go this season
Don’t forget Petrus, he could be trained to center all season.
even if you pencil Andrews at LG.
That probably means sliding Diehl to RT. The way Beatty has played that leaves a glaring whole at LT.
DISAGREE
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Frank
I said this before, when we had our great LBs, tell me who the DE’s were? and were they great?
Great No
but very good. Martin and Marshal. They did their job. Tied up lineman allowing the great LBs to make plays.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
the sole purpose of a 3-4 line
is to tie up lineman and allow LBs to make plays. It’s an entirely different philosophy
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 3, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Leonard Marshall was excellent
had a bunch of years at 8 or more sacks. One year had 15.5.
For a 3-4 DE, which is more like a DT in a 4-3, that’s excellent.
Wasn’t a slouch.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And George Martin
Was excellent, or do you play like 20 seasons cause you stink
Good Point
During their 34 years the Giants had some very good DL. Jim Burt was another.
Unfortunately the same can’t be said about the Giants having very good LB during their current 43 years.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Exactly Frank
It’s not like by saying we should have better linebackers is saying we shouldn’t still have quality defensive lineman. I’ll even throw some of these guys a bone and say yes we can give priority to the line in the -43 if we want, BUT that doesn’t mean ignore the linebackers. WHile in the 3-4 maybe our linebackers were the stars but guys like Martin, Marshall and Burt were quality players as well. I don’t care if you want to focus on LB or DL, but if you completely ignore the other your front 7 will be bad. I don’t see how some are making that out to be such a contentious issue.
Just gimme a 2nd rounder that isn't a project
I’m not saying there weren’t other needs. I’m just saying why totally ignore the position? A blind dog could see our LB problems coming a mile away.
You can only draft who is there
I liked Spoon, but team didn’t think he was a fit OH well.
Lets see what happens between now and the draft
That's what's annoying
He’s not a fit but a project is a fit????
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The one that should've been here for those 8-10 years
was Dhani Jones. Shoulda been a career Giant
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
Dhani was terrbile here, and worse in Philly. He is playing better now in Cincy, but he sucked donkey di*k here.
he was a 6th rounder
his first 2 years were what you expect as a 6th rounder..ST player.
His third year was the opposite of sucking donkey d*&k
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean eating donkey...
ahhh, never mind. I value my membership too much for that joke.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to split hairs on
what he sucked in year 3, but he wasnt good. Wasnt good after that either. Was terrible at the point of attack, couldnt shed blockers.
Pretty Boy
he was too much of a pretty boy
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
What LB...
were you going to take with the Giants 1st round pick this year, if they didnt take JPP?
Weatherspoon in the first
and if you hate that there were other options in the 2nd, and maybe a few in the third even.
We need both so it doesn't matter
But I think Atlanta has actually been playing him at SAM the most with some nickel Mike.
Well it's wonky because of Fewell's terms
but my point wasn’t to replace Boley. SIntim was my point of concern along with the middle. So I saw it as we needed a MLB and an OLB call them whatever you want.
We used to have great LBs that made our average DEs look better. Now we have great DEs that make out average LBs look better, I dont think its a big deal. You cant have a pro bowler at every position
I'm not asking for a pro bowler
I’m asking for a starter. We don’t need multiple starters at one position and zero starters at another. I’d accept if the focus was on DE for that to be the “stud” spot, but don’t go so all in on that position and not even have a viable starter elsewhere. That’s all I’m saying.
Not suggesting
we need a pro bowler at every position. Everyone knows that’s not going to happen.
As I originally posted not investing a top pick in 26 years is inexcusable especially when you consider the ‘projects’ we used. We don’t have to look any further than this season.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
The move was...
To drop down, add a pick, and then take a linebacker. So many of us said it at the time. Now we get to discuss it again……
and there were no LB's available at #15
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Weatherspool
was taken #19
Better players were available in more needed positions.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
They have Boley to play that position
payed him a lot of money to do it.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yet
we’ll draft a project like JPP where we already have a glut at. Or we’ll attempt to convert a DE to LB. Or we’ll sign Bullock to play a LB position he hasn’t played.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Bulluck has played plenty of Mike,
said it himself.
And like I said, this year the LB’s in the draft were slim pickings.
Either a bad fit for the middle like Weatherspoon, a slow poke like Spikes…or someone like Dillard in the 4th.
Like I said above, they know more then anyone else about the DE situation with Kiwi and Osi. One will be gone, and they’d be idiots to not try and keep that position alive and well.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Weatherspoon would have supplanted Goff or Sintim
Sintim is looking like a 2nd stringer all the way, so another OLB would have been nice. We went an got a 33 year old OLB with a busted knee, but can’t get a young stud OLB. Hmm… that seems silly to me.
but they did what you want...
last year, Sintim, and its not working out, yet, drafting a guy high just doesnt mean he will be good
No they didn't
Read some of my other comments and you’ll see I don’t like the draft a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE and try to make him a 4-3 LB move.SIntim was a project, just like JPP. I don’t like the use of so many high picks on projects. SIntim was drafted as a pass rusher not as a LB really. Why couldn’t we just get a quality player that we knew could actually play LB?
drafting a guy high just doesnt mean he will be good
AGREED
But not drafting the position is a CERTAINTY you won’t get good at the position.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Unless you sign a FA
Paging Shawn Andrews
Sintim (2nd round pick)
is the young stud that couldnt beat out the 33 year old OLB with a busted knee for the starting job.
Sintim is the project
that has been a failure thus far.
sometimes
it takes more then 1 year for a player to get settled.
Getting hurt most of his rookie year doesn’t help either.
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
They drafted Kiwi
because they weren’t sure if Strahan was going to retire or not
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank we add veteran LBs via FA
Bulluck, Arrington, Boley, Pierce, Kawika…just to name a few. Very few superior quality LBs come out of the draft. Impact LBs are harder to find.
92
We’ve since adopted a rich history of defensive ends.
Michael Strahan alone is a rich history of defensive ends. That is not a sarcastic question. It’s a statement. Michael Strahan is the greatest 4 defensive ends ever to play football.
That is all.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 3, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
GREAT POINT
Thanks!
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Bada bing!
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Great list Ed.
Not having seen these guys as much as many on this board I have a hard time arguing over any of these choices.
Wilkinson and Blackburn over Kehl – Wilkinson and Chase better on specials?
Johnson over Ware – a push
Bernard over Alford – if Rocky played his way on to the team then so be it
Rashad over Busing – I realy like Rashad
Koets over Whimper – Koets can snap (kind of)
Chandler over Beckum – if you are right about the IR
Someone will grab Kehl and maybe a change of scenery will do it for him. Whimper and Alford too.
Sept 12 cannot come quick enough.
I also saw Koets coming on strong....
Arg, i’m kicking myself for leaving him off my 53 man roster
to my credit I did say that I thought he had a very good chance of making it….and I thought there was something “more” there when he replaced Seubert last week vs. Baltimore.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Cruz
would be great if he is 4th on the depth chart. Barden is now offically on my sh*t list after I was so excited to see him drafted last year.
If Ed is right, someone may have Killdrive as their avatar for 6 weeks, haha
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Hahaha
Great minds…
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Barden disgusts me
All of those physical gifts and apparently, not worth a damn on the field. Sad.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
also and this kills me to say this.....
but I’m about to lose a bet….to myself.
If Cruz is active week 1 and Barden is not….it’s the Gilbride Face until week6
C’mon Ramses!!!
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Lol
See above…
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
not gonna be pretty
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta give him some options...
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
intresting hat
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
One word for it
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
"until you get rid of that hat, I'm only throwing to Steve Smith" - Eli
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Done.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
the captain is always good
but
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
just look at Eli’s body language as he approaches KG!!!!
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
the Offensive Thinking Machine
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
by 27Tango on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he looks so photogenic and poised here...makes you think he can really run an offense
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
agree...LOL
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
what is he thinking
“ummmm I wonder if we allowed to use the Tight End as a receiver? Better not risk it.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that in itself is a whole new FanPost or 2...haha
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Tight end!
Never heard of that position – tell me again what is a Tight end…
by G Fan in England on Sep 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
we get to have 6 or 7 linemen? ooooohhh...I like that
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
A wide receiver....
after about ten pints too many at the pub, is a tight end!
I like this one
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I dont think we should keep Tollefson
He is just a guy. He is ok, but with Tuck, Kiwi, Osi, and JPP he isnt going to see the field. And Canty can swing out to end if need be. I would rather keep Alford. I dont expect much this year coming off injury, but he at least has potential once his knee is 100%. Tollefson has peaked at average.
I would also cut Blackburn. He, like Tollefson plays hard but isnt very talented. He is good on ST’s, but i think he should be the odd man out.
yeh but Tolly gets in on plays and makes some tackes on ST
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
we might as well give up on special teams...
if we cut Chase and Tollefson, they are two of our best special teamers. Dont sell special teams, it is very important.
It is important
But there are other guys that can play ST’s. Not like out ST’s are anything to write home about with them in the lineup.
You drastically understimate
the value of STs play when choosing who to keep as reserve players.
I dont under estimate ST
I think you over estimate the importance of having Tolly and Chase on our ST’s. I think we can be just as bad on ST’s with other players.
Not bad Ed.
Barden is sixth on the list right now, and at this point it looks like he might spend a lot of Sundays inactive again.
Somebody get Andi a photo of Gilbride…
Also, I still don’t see Alford not making this team, especially after that nice hit he got last night.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
Alford
I’d like to see him make it, I just can’t figure out how. Gives the Giants 10 defensive linemen, and shorts them somewhere else.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 3, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I know...
But you said it yourself, every year we put together these 53 man rosters, and every year they come back with something completely out of left field.
I’ve been saying it all off-season, and I’m sticking with it today…Alford and Tolly make this team.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
If Kiwi
sees time at OLB then that makes Wilkinson expendable and opens a spot for Alford.
After all Cofield and Bernard may not be around after the 2010 season so why left Alford go now.
by G Fan in England on Sep 3, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Point G-Fan
After all Cofield and Bernard may not be around after the 2010 season so why left Alford go now
Great point indeed.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That IS a great point
And I forgot Alford is also a long snapper. Good to have a backup there. Ask Pittsburgh.
yes, very good point
damn 10 DL men?
I can’t see losing Tolly …now Alford…auugh
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Kehl stays
Wilk goes. Injuries and inconsistencies, Kehl stil has potential and I’d rather go with that.
But Wilkinson is the only LB
that could potentially cover a TE on the roster
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Alford...
I would hate to see him go. The team was very high on him just before his injury and now that he is back, he deserves to have the chance to show his true potential. He showed some nice speed and power on the sack he made Thursday night.
does 5 defensive ends
seem a bit excessive? I’d be inclined to drop Tolly and keep Alford around for another year
I think Alford stays
I think the Giants will keep 10 linemen and maybe a LB will go (who? I don’t know) but I think the fact that Kiwi can be moved to LB makes me think that.
I will hate to see Alford go, this is a businnes but the guy had bad luck last season.
5 differences
Ed….i just counted and we have 5 different picks.
I took Ware….you took Gartrell
You took Chandler I took Beckum
You took Tollefson…I did not.
You took Rashad, i took Busing
I opted not to take Koets and I was wrong about that.
with that said….I really kicking myself over Adam Koets. I think Rashad and Busing are a toss up (and I could probably care less who wins out…if either of them make it).
Chandler is the most interesting pick b/c while Becks has been hurt…..so has Chandler. To his advantage, he’s a big body who conceivably can spell Boss on blocking assignments. I never thought the Giants would cut Becks….but it’s interesting you bring up IR’ing him….something i simply never considered. Still think it’s a long shot…but it’s a really good observation.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
IR'ing Beckum
is a solid strategy
Hate to give up on him. Have not seen enough to keep him on the 53 man squad.
Buy a year’s time and delay that decision to next year.
I've oviously had my doubts about Beckum making the roster...
but I don’t have a problem with Ed’s plan listed above. It allows them one more shot to see if they have anything with him, without costing the roster spot of someone they do neeed and who can help now. I don’t see Rashad making the final 53, but I don’t see the Giants not bringing in one or more (more likely more) new players after cuts are made. I’d agree that Tollefson makes the team, but I think they’ll try to find a way to keep Alford as well. I think Ware may have more talent than Gartrell, but I’d agree with Ed that Gartrell is more likely to get the position. Ware has durability issues and has blown up his earlier chances. Who goes among the linebackers on the bubble is probably the toughest choice I’d think.
I didn't think Johnson or Ware showed enough to guarantee a spot
I suspect a RB could be found on the waiver wire that is more appealing
Denver has a log jam at CB
Likely to need to drop one, not exactly deep at WR
Moss for a CB would have been a natural
I don't think they'd accept Moss for a blade of grass
and I ain’t talking about the one you smoke either
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
something
we agree on
LOL
We definitely did a good job blowing up this thread.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Football trades can be notoriously one sided
You are thinking value for value
Not I want to get something for a guy I’m about to cut.
S. Andrews
I noticed last night that S. Andrews was playing so well that the Patriots just stopping lining up defenders in his gaps….they were just avoiding him at all costs.
one play he made a great play to save a sack b/c he literally had no one to block….and at the last second he saw the blitz and made a great last minute adjustment
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Not to pat myself on the back
But I fan posted back in March saying if Andrews was healthy and cheap it would be worth a shot, and everybody thought i was an idiot. I guess its true what they say about blind squirrels.
Again...
Links as subjects don’t work lol
TO save our friends a step of ctrl c ctrl v
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy home slice
Didnt know links dont work as a subject. Now i know, and knowing is half the battle.
The other half is violence.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrews could be the key to the OL
only question is what to do with him and everyone else?
I don’t think Andrews starts week one, but I think the first injury to the OL..whoever it is doesn’t sniff the starting lineup again (unless someone else goes down).
Andrews, O’hara and Snee all healthy…that’s probably the best interior 3 OL of any team in the NFL. They’re healthy, goal line runs are a lot easier.
Long term Andrews wants to play LT
And from what I’ve seen, that is a reasonable request
Problem for Giants is what do you do with Beatty??
RT
Mackenzie will eventually be replaced.
Isn’t Beatty’s natural postion RT?
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
He has looked bad at RT
And he was drafted out of college as a LT
More athletic than bulky
Beatty's a natural athlete
and a LT. He’s not the big mauler you want for RT.
Long term I’d think Beatty at LT, Diehl at LG and Andrews at RT. Maybe switch Diehl and Andrews, but Beatty at LT.
The only reason I think this lineup isn’t gonna happen sooner is cuz McKenzie’s doing fine and remaining healthy at RT.
That all makes sense, but for one thing
If Andrews can be a pro bowl caliber LT (which he was at one point), thats better than worrying about getting Beatty in the lineup
Recent history suggests that you can get a starting RT in rounds 2-3 of the draft. So I think Beatty better get really serious.
He played RG for Eagles
I’m just repeating what Andrews has said.
He also may not get better.
But if I were Beatty, I ’d be studying that playbook and watching film every second i could. He can ask JAcobs about the nature of the business
JMHO RG is tougher than LG
Thats the spot that requires speed to pull to the weak side
No it would be silly to move Snee or O'Hara if healthy
Anyone else needs to be looking sharp
This is what I consider a good problem!
Where to play all the good OL
A very good problem
considering it was considered a trouble spot coming into the season.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
We still don't know
If Andrews isn’t a LT and Beatty can’t rise to the challenge, the most important spot is in flux
if that's in doubt
I think they’ll just stick with Diehl at LT. He kinda stunk last year, but he’s still been their starter all these years and it could’ve been the poor play of Seubert that made Diehl suck so much last year.
Diehl is not the right LT for what could be a high powered passing offense
Good player, not LT
Diehl's
been adequate at LT. Seubert’s injury affected the left side of the line last season.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
If Andrews continues to improve in practice
I can see him taking Seubert’s spot. Then in 2011 with McKenzie probably not getting a new contract we can move Diehl to RT, where I think he will better than at LT, then Beatty goes to LT.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Possible
But if Andrews really can play LT like he has been playing LG, that is really hard to not do.
I’d love Beatty to come on and make it a hard decision
absolutely
keeps em all on their toes.
And having someone like Diehl is ideal too, he can play LT, LG and probably RT as well which are the spots in “question”.
Agreed
Andrews and Diehl flexibility is a big plus
I just wish someone (ahem Will Beatty) would emerge as LT
I don't think he's been a problem at LT
actually I think he’s been pretty good there. Its at RT that he’s stunk in the preseason.
And the only reason he’s been at RT is cuz McKenzie’s been in and out
I'd have liked Beatty to have outright won LT
No discussion
When a young guy wins a position its a good thing.
McKenzie
isn’t going anywhere. Suebert will be replaced by Andrews.
All this predicated on health.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
He is getting old and breaking down more frequently
That projects this to be one of his last 2 as a starter
Wouldn’t bother me if he got healtheir
agreed
this will probably be Macs final season as a starter.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Sintim and Beckum will make the cut
Because it is not only about skill level, it is about management not willing to admit early draft round mistakes. See Sinorice Moss
Jets cut Donovan Warren.
Might be a good CB pick-up. Dude has potential. Nothing amazing, but better than our other scrubs.
Potential
we don’t need any more projects/potential.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
if anything PS
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Good analysis Ed
Ware and Alford are the two who I disagree about. I think they will make it onto our roster somehow. Maybe they go 4 corners and 4 safeties for a few days and see what shakes out around the league. Not sure. But I’d be really surprised to see those two cut loose outright. There are always many surprises on cutdown day around the NFL though. I’d be less shocked to see Beckum cut. The guy just can’t stay healthy and you know how that grates on TC after a while.
does anyone believe this story about jets possibly splitting ways with revis and if so think the giants will go after and pay him what he wants.
Albie....
The racist dragon?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No and No
To satisfy both the Jets and Revis to their satisfaction will prove to be a mountainous task for any team. And I expect this to get much uglier before Revis or the Jets cry uncle. The Jets hold all the cards here with three years left on the contract and next year looking like at least a partial lockout year. Revis needs to wise up in my opinion. He’ll get paid, but he needs to realize he’ll have to negotiate a less than ideal contract for the current one he will be getting out from under.
A good question
Let me preface this post first by saying there’s no chance in hell the Jets part ways with Revis. That being said let’s assume they do. Would teams be willing to meet his demands? Of course outside of the whacky Al Davis.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
nope
too much money, not the Giants way of doing things. He’s a great player tho.
I don’t think starting CB is a problem tho. Ross is a ? at nickel cuz of his health, Bruce is a pretty good dime CB tho.
Not the Giants
any NFL team?
IMO there’s more than a few teams that would meet Revis’ demands.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
There is no cap
correct?
So why wouldn’t one of big rich teams go out and meet his requirements? Cowboys, LOLskins, Seahawks – they are all filthy rich. I think the bigger issue is that the Jets would want at least 2 1st rounders if not more for him.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito racist or not his a hell of cb, i never got in to how the contracts worked so wouldnt know the payouts just think he would be an awesome addition to our secondary. Would make for a dominant secondary something havent had in awhile.
Albie hahaha
I wasn’t talking about Revis, he’s good no doubt, any team would be happy to have him. I would however tend to agree with ronjohnson on the subject.
I was referring to an old Flight of the Concords skit:
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't see Chandler and Rashard being final, final roster guys ...
There seems to be more OL guys lining up tackle eligble instead of the need for 3 TE’s.
Alford and Ware should have some value, so maybe some “roster chicken” where they keep ‘em for now until a deal can be done, maybe for someone else’s surplus at a position we have a shortage at.
And, not a roster question, but what is the deal with Canty ? He seemed to play and do little in pre-season.
You know..
I was thinkin that same thought in regards to Canty…
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly sure how this works ...
but if there is a labor deal for 2011, but that “football year” doesn’t start until something like March 1st, can teams cut big FA busts before 3/1/11 and have the accelerated cap hit for the signing bonus hit the uncapped 2010 year ?
If so, a lot of guys like Canty may be on the street if they don’t produce in 2010.
Eating crow and some good things happening
First of all, I have to eat crow on Gilbride. I was drilling in places where the sun don’t shine about him yesterday. Thought I had the wrong channel when he called an end around and then flea flicker. More of this will convert me, try something new.
I always liked Gartrell’s passion but he was not consistent. Last night he delivered, I hope you are right, he makes the roster. Good shifty moves, running with authority. Ware is decent but too fragile vs performance. I wonder how Gartrell would do in pass reception? How are his hands?
I also hope you are right about Chandler, I like him as a backup and have had it with Beckum. Lots of talent, few results, let’s move on.
Half a kudo to JPP, seems to be getting his bearings and learning how to play.
Hope Brown makes our practice squad, see if he develops, don’t give up on him yet.
Overall, the team played with some fire, was missing last week. Kehl’s tackle was like an old time LT move, I watched it several times, just loved it and the follow up by other players.
Ware
After Jacobs outburst, TC spoke to the press after talking to Jacobs. TC sais he’s looking forward to using the power back ( Jacobs) in combination with Bradshaw and Ware. Given that mention of Ware today, I doubt he cuts get. TC seems to like him.
I think this is a mistake
Thanks for the info. Ware is not ware-able, i.e. durable. Gets hurt all the time. You are probably right but I hope not.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to call those plays in the preseason
let’s see him do it in the real season.
Is play calling in the red zone lacks imagination and is very predictable.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
And one more thing..
Just read Jacob’s comments. Hard to stay positive? Making millions? Just quit your b*tching! Are you kidding me? Get motivated by the “demotion” and earn your spot back.
Makes it seem like he is a hurt little boy whose toy was taken away by the bad coaches. Awwww!
Just count your money, get some resolve and play better, stop whining. It will only make things worse. I have now become an ex-fan of his, this was lacking in class, poor sportsmanship and bad leadership.
+1
I think the thing I hate the most about Twitter is not the number of idiots following what Paris Hilton had for breakfast, but the explosion of “victims” in the NFL. The next CBA had better outlaw it !!
that's why I refuse to open
a twitter account. I can’t stomach what spews from most celebrities mouths. In this case what they Tweet.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Just ignore
The athletes and celebs. I stick with the news feeds and the sports writers. it’s a great way to stay on top of news, sports and otherwise, when you’re away from the computer.
Wow
Victor Cruz fourth…
That’s pretty eye opening. If he can be half as good as he was in the preseason, we have 4 very good to great receivers. Plus the boss man…
I’m excited.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
There is no way Alford doesn't make the team
I think Rashad will be on the practice squad. There is no point in keeping 5 safeties. There is a better chance that they will keep 5 corners because some of them could play S (Ross) but not the other way around.
I can also see Wilkinson or Blackburn going on IR or practice squad because 7 LB’s is probably too much.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
Because they get tired and rotate more often
LBs don’t really have to take plays off.
Also Alford is probably the 2nd best pass rushing DT on this team. If Tuck gets some kind of injury (or Fewell doesn’t put him at DT, which I think has been the case so far this preseason) then Alford could potentially get a lot of playing time in nickel packages.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 3, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
If you read the practice squad rules I posted neither of those guys can be placed on that squad. They have far too much NFL experience. So, it’s 53 or release for them.
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