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Harry Carson Touts Ottis Anderson For Hall of Fame

Ask Hall of Fame middle linebacker Harry Carson which former New York Giants teammate should join him in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and he doesn't hesitate with his answer.

"The No. 1 guy who I would vote for is Ottis Anderson," Carson said. "While Ottis and I did not play together for an extended period of time (only 1987 and '88) I played against Ottis, so I have a very good understanding of what he brought to the table as a running back when he was with the Cardinals.

"I hated facing him because he was a big back, but he had speed, quickness, power and escapability."

The Pro Football Hall of Fame announced the 2011 candidates for enshrinement on Monday, and Carson was one of several Hall of Famers making the rounds to promote the second annual Van Heusen Pro Football Hall of Fame Fan's Choice campaign. The Fan's Choice campaign gives fans a chance to vote for the five players they believe are worthy of being Hall of Famers.

There are currently 113 nominees on the ballot, and the selection committee will pair that down to 25 semifinalists by mid-November. The final 15 candidates will be announced in mid-January.

Star-divide

The Fan's Choice campaign has no official role in the process. You can, however, win prizes and see how your choices stack up against those players eventually selected as Hall of Famers. You can vote as often as you like.

Four Giants are on the 113-nominee list. Anderson, tight end Mark Bavaro, quarterback Phil Simms and general manager George Young.

Anderson is 24th on the all-time career rushing list with 10,273 yards in a 15-year career.

Of course, I had to talk a little Giants with Carson, who was in attendance Sunday for the first regular-season game at New Meadowlands Stadium.

Carson, remember, was a vocal critic of the Giants effort at the end of last season. He felt much better about what he saw against Carolina, however.

"The guys remember what happened last year. When you get beaten and embarrassed the one thing you want to do is hurry back to redeem yourself," Carson said. "Stepping on the field yesterday (Sunday) was an opportunity for these guys to make people forget about what happened and how they closed Giants Stadium.

"While they didn't play great football yesterday they played good football. They played well enough to win, but I think they're going to have to jack it up another notch as they move forward."

I also talked with Carson about the struggles of the young linebacker Clint Sintim. The second-year linebacker is transitioning from defensive end in college, and Carson is the perfect person to discuss that change. Remember, Carson was a defensive end at South Carolina State before the Giants drafted him in 1976 and made him a middle linebacker.

"If you draft a player and you want to bring that player along to play a different position you've gotta be aware that that player might be a challenge," Carson said. "You're on the NFL level. Everybody's fast, everybody's quick, everybody's strong. There's not a whole lot of room for error."

Carson credited Marty Schottenheimer, who was the Giants linebackers coach when Carson was drafted, with teaching him how to play the position.

"Before I even stepped on the practice field I had to spend like a month with Marty, just me and him, and he exposed me to all the nuances of being a middle linebacker," Carson said.

"You're always going to go through growing pains when you're changing positions," said Carson, who became a starter mid-way through his rookie season. "When I started I made mistakes. You find yourself being exploited, whether it's a draw play or play-action pass or whatever until you can stop it.

"It's gonna be up to him whether he's going to make that transition or perhaps bulk up and go back to playing a position he's more familiar with as a defensive lineman."

Finally, Carson and I talked briefly about some of what Carson is doing right now, what he refers to as "the business of being Harry Carson."

He is involved in many things, including a new show called 'Opening Drive Live' at 9:30 a.m. on MSG Network. He is also writing a book that should be available next year. In addition, he works with the NFL on behalf of minority groups and retired players.

If you want to know more, you can check out Carson's website.

Below is just a little bonus for you, since thinking about Anderson made me think about Super Bowl XXV.


(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com. Follow Big Blue View on Twitter.)

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"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Hate to disagree

with you Harry, but no on O.J….Tiki will get in before him, more yards in 5 less seasons.

"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.

by Great Gatsby on Sep 14, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll play devils advocate

OJ was dominant for 6 years, then got banged up, but still had enuf left in tank for Giants 2nd ring.

Tiki bailed and left his ring on the table. Some think his attitude held team back.

I think both belong, but neither is a slam dunk. If you are a QB/RB/WR you better have some rings or outlandish stats. I’m more forgiving on D about rings.

by trueblue63 on Sep 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really

doesn’t matter if people like Tiki (post-career), he also had more than 5,000 yards as a receiver, not the case with O.J. Also, Barber had over 1800 yards and 1600 yarrds rushing in his last two seasons, so he retired at the top of his game. He still had a lot left in the tank, don’t buy his “attitude” while he played, he was forced to announce his retirement
his last season, becasue it leaked out. If you walk to talk post-career, different story.

"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.

by Great Gatsby on Sep 15, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

One less Super Bowl though.

The chump.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two fewer

Why does no one seem to remember that OJ was on the ‘86 Giants (as the parentheses in Carson’s quote indicate)?

by hankwebb on Sep 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think OJ has a better shot than Simms and Bavaro

but I think you are probably right….

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't want to get in this but Simms is my man

The Hall of Fame is waiting for him, he is not waiting for the Hall of Fame.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson

is not getting in, and I think Harry knows that. I put him on the spot a little and asked him to pick a guy. He did. He’s not going to say to me ‘Ed, you know, none of these guys belongs on the ballot.’

by Ed Valentine on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know Anderson won't get in

But… Man could that guy run the rock, nobody liked tackling Ottis!

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

true

and the funny thing is…didn’t he used to be a scat back type of runner?

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ottis had two NFL careers

1st he was the fast and powerful back that played for the cardinals. He had a few down years got traded to the Giants and reinvented himself has the power runner that nobody wanted to tackle. I will never forget that right cross he gave the Bills linebacker in the SB! OJ Anderson baby!

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

everytime I see the NFL Films slow motion replay of that…. I get chills

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 careers

1. Dominant years with the Cards
2. A few years sitting on the bench for the Giants
3. A starter for the Giants.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiki will never get in the Hall

He might have had more yards but he won squat in his career.

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Helloooo

what about ill Phil Simms?

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Simms....

somehow I took it for granted that Simms was already in.

by rbman3 on Sep 14, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The HOF should re look at Phil and some other QB's

Especially after they let Troy Aikman in, that definitly lowered the bar for an NFL Hall of fame QB

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all

Aikman’s numbers suck, in fact I would argue with you that Randall Cunningham should be in if Aikman is in. Do a comparision between Simms and Aikman and you will find Simms had better numbers and played with a lot less talent Aikman does not belong.

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree...

If not for Aikman’s playoff numbers.

He was an average regular season quarterback, not hall of fame worthy at all, but in the playoffs he was something else. Can’t take that away from him.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me Aikman was a very good QB on a Great Team

I know people will point to the SB win’s and playoffs as to why he belongs, but I look at SB’s and playoff wins as more of a team achievment. Dan Marino never won a SB but yet I still think he was one of the best QB’s I have ever seen. Joe Thiesman hashas won two rings and if you look at his stats they are just as good as Aikmans if not better, (not to mention he played balll in the 70’s when NFL teams did not pass a lot) yet nobody considers him hall of fame. So I don’t see why Troy’s rings should wipe out the fact that he put up pedistrian numbers… QB’s like Cunningham, Simms, and yes Thiesman deserve a look if your going to put someone like Aikman in. Here is another QB that is going to have way better numbers than Aikman but yet probably won’t be considered Hall worthy, McNabb.

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well the way things work with the committee

Eli probably needs one more ring, then there’s probably no way he doesn’t get in.

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did a lot of research on it

For my post about Eli being one of 6 QBs in NFL history to throw for 3000+ and 20+ for 5 straight seasons, I remember Troys numbers in the rgeular season being awful. He only had one 20+ TD season averaged something like 15 for a 7 year span.

But his playoff numbers are truly remarkable, I don’t have time to look them up again, but I know tthey convinced me (a Cowboy hater to the core) that it was Hall-Worthy. He was a different quarterback come playoff time, and that’s really when football matters most IMO.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think dallas o-line doesnt get enough credit that aikman emmitt and irvin would have been average at best without that o-line

by albie21 on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO

greatest line ever

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you ever see

Namath’s numbers? That reeeeaaaallllyyy lowered the bar.

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like to judge QB's like Bradshaw and Namath...

They came from a diffrent ERA and on top of that they only played 12 and 14 game season’s. Teams just did not pass the ball in the 70’s. Plus I think some of Namath’s Mojo to get to the hall had more to do with the NFL and AFL merger and the Jet’s proving that the AFL belonged in the league.

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but

50% completion percentage and like 60 more INTs than TDs. I don’t care what era you’re in…that’s not a HOF’er

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nameth is definitly suspect

But like I said before I think Joe got in more because of the AFL-NFL thing, that was a little before my time, but maybe some of the older Giant fans on here can give us some perspective on Joe going into the Hall.

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

First to hit 4000 yards

ever, and in a 14 game season.

While I agree his numbers aren’t that great, his guarentee and his team’s defeating the colts forced the two leagues to merge and made professional football as we know it today.
Without him the NFL would be much different for the worst.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Sep 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeh

and even then he threw 28 INT. I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t know. He still doesn’t sound very good to me.

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that roughing the passer got you an "atta boy" linstead of 15 yards.

Also, Bradshaw, Marino, Staubach, and Elway put up their numbers before the contact rules for defensive players were changed. Today they would be right up there with Peyton……hard to compare players from different eras

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 14, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Those guys played after the big rules changes in 78

by trueblue63 on Sep 14, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he means after the 2003 (?) change

after the Colts complained about the Pats DBs in one of their championship games.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 14, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

regretfully

Simms will never be elected into the Hall. At the time he was much like Eli. He did get the respect he deserved. Even Giants fan did appreciate Phil early in his career.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming you meant...

Didn’t*?

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your assumption

is correct

Thanks!

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ottis was great

But will not get in the HOF.
Ottis was on the 86 SB team too (had the last TD against Denver, Bill wanted him to get a super bowl score, even if he was the 3rd RB on the depth chart). Not many RBs were that good in their last years, loved Ottis for that.

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

+100

early in his career Anderson was the most dominant back in the NFL. He was tough. I hated him.

He ‘wasted’ two years with the Giants until he became a starter. One thing I liked about him. As a Giant he rarely fumbled.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeap

he had a big year in 89 (or 88 I forget) then lost his job to Rodney Hampton. If he was a starter during his wasted years, no brainer, HOFer

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harry Carson

Truly a class act. I ran into him one day at the old Babbages computer store in the Garden State Plaza. He was looking for computer games for his kids and asked my opinion. I think I must have stammered for a bit. I mean, it’s Harry Carson. He just shot me a smile and we chatted for 15 minutes. Just a great, great, guy. I know LT was made of awesome, but I was always more of a Harry Carson fan. You just couldn’t run the ball on Carson. Ever.

by MattinNJ on Sep 14, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Class Act

I would be speechless meeting any former/current Giant. Closest I came was walking next to Eli during the March of Dimes last year. Never got to talk to him

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was pretty amazing

I also saw LT in person once. He was coming out of the multiplex in Paramus back in the 80s. I actually peed myself a little. You could tell he was just a ferocious beast.

by MattinNJ on Sep 14, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I met him in the palisades mall

I asked him for his autograph and he declined. I told him it was cool and I’d settle for just a hand shake. I think my response surprised him. I think he expected me to flip out. Anyway, after he shook my hand he turned to walk away and saw I had my two small sons with me. He turned back and spent like a good five minutes talking to my kids. It was cool. They had no idea who he was though…lol

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

To The Always Well Dressed

If you want to meet Giants then you should attend the Fritzky Charity Dinner at Fairleigh Dickinson University. It is a dinner, auction, autograph session with Past Giant Greats and Present Day Giants for a good cause. Check it out. Or you can sign up and help George Martin raise money for his Giant Steps for 9/11. The one thing about my Giants is they have big hearts and are great humanitarians.

by Kathleen Wilson Bumpass on Sep 26, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

chris carter

needs to be in the damn hall of fame already…. come on mannnn

by The Blood of Eli on Sep 14, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe

he rubs some people the wrong way. At times he comes across very condescending.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this doesnt get me kicked off BBV

But Simms, Bavaro, and OJ DO NOT belong in the HOF. No way, they were good and even very good but not great. Simms was very good and was great on the biggest stage. If he doesnt get hurt in ’90 and wins another SB then he prob gets in. Bavaro was a complete TE…again, if not for injury he might get in as well.

Terrell Davis wont get in. He was a beast for a few years but 2 major knee injuries cut his career short.

by Giants56 on Sep 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

your right

Injuries and mulitple benchings hurt Simms (even he has said he does not belong in the HOF)

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree

I’m just surprised he would say OJ before Simms.

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 14, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Bavaro no, absolutely not. Great player, HOF caliber, but not numbers. He doesn’t have the longevity.

Simms and OJA were very good, but it the HOF.

Toney Douglas

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy!!!!

you’re kicked off. Get lost!

lol

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a shame

If he doesnt get hurt in ’90 ……

He brought the Giants to a 10-0 start then losing 2 back to back road games before getting hurt. Simms doesn’t get enough credit for the 1990 SB. We still win with Simms at QB.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he says that losing Simms is the reason why they won the SB

I think his point was that because he wasn’t the starter in SB25, he really shouldn’t go to the HoF

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the point

I was trying to make is if Simms is the starting and winning QB in the SB vs Bills he’d be elected into the HOF.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems like

that is what everyone is saying

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have to grudingly agree

Only OJ would be wirthin striking distance in my opinion, and I don’t think he has enough in play to ever get in. It sucks but is true.

by brisulph on Sep 15, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Really Good.

No on OJ
Sadly – very sadly – no on Simms (although maybe as a broadcaster…)
Yes on Bavaro.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

There should be a Phil Simms Hall of Fame

With one member: Phil Simms.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

you sir,

are brilliant

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 14, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you good sir

figured I’d get your vote

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can be the founder....

is your first name not Phil?

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

there should be a wing of the in the building....

just with sound bites from the Parcells / Simms era.

Fun Fact: Parcells wanted to trade Simms….and Simms equally wanted out. Parcells said “I’m trading you”….Simms said “go ahead”….George Young said “will you two shut the F up and go back to work already!”….

and that was that.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a great one

I was always a fan of Bill’s comments about trading to Green Bay to get McConkey back “what did we give up? not much, just a tackling dummy and a couple of water buckets”

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parcells'

had so many classic quotes including the one in my signature.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great...I loved it!

I miss the old school…

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The smiling ref freaks me out...

After a score his weird little smile is nerving…but I love watching this recap.

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 14, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

unnerving...of course

California 1991…probably something good

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 14, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

hahaha, I was watching this game last week and remembered, ‘why is this Ref so creepy with that smile’, freaky is right

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

I was thinking the same thing while watching the video the Ref freaked me out!

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

thought it was just me.

He looks like a psycho, and its the exact same smile each time… Freaky.

Go Big Blue!

by phredrik on Sep 14, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome...

after the first score, I was like, weird, this guy creepily likes the Giants but then, the same look for the bills

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 15, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Feagles

1st Ballot HOF.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

1st ballot for sure

as a player. As a training camp mentor…not so much

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 14, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If people are campaigning for Chris Carter to be a HOFer than Sterling Sharpe should go in before he does … Sharpe was on par with Rice before a young erratic QB from Missippee led him a lil too much during a playoff game …
As for the over glorification of Troy Aikmen helllllll no. Aikman was a mediocre QB by HOF standards and his numbers are pedestrian. He won rings but so what he played behind at least 2 HOF Lineman ( Nate Newton and Larry Allen ) , he had the NFL’s all-time leading rusher in the backfield ( Smith ) , he had a HOF WR in Irvin , and a deep threat in Alvin Harper.

If you look at his #s against a few other guys who don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of getting in you see he got over …

Aikman – 165-141 32,442yds, 81.6 QB Rating

Player A – 251TDs-206INTs. 44,611yds , 77.1 QB Rating
Player B – 174-119 , 31,304yds , 82.8 QB Rating
Player C – 274 TDs-184 INTS, 37,920yds, 81.1 QB Rating

All three QBs made it to a Super Bowl on less talented teams and lost …

Player A – Drew Bledsoe
Player B – Steve McNair
Player C – Boomer Esiason

Simms still doesn’t get in but he was at least as good as Aikman and like these other guys he’s not ever getting into the Hall.

by TheBXRepresenta on Sep 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1000

Sharpe and Carter both belong in the Hall.

As far as Aikman goes it chaps my butt that he is in the Hall. His stats are so pedistrian, also the Cowboys hype machine and the SB wins count to much when people evaluate him. Yes Dallas was a great team, Troy was a good QB for sure, but you should not get in because you were good on a great team. One more on your comparison, take a look at Randall Cunningham, Joe Thiesman and Donovan McNabb compaired to Aikman. None of these guys are hall of famers to me, but if you let Aikman in you have to look at guys like Simms, Cunningham, Thiesman again because these guys were just as good and they played with far less talent.

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aikman

Awesome stats there. I couldn’t agree more about the cast he had around him. If Aikman doesn’t have the postseason numbers, then there’s NOOO WAAYY he should be HOF’er. I do think that Boomer should be considered. He ran that West Coast system really well and his problem was that he did not have the supporting cast in Cincy. I also think his personality rubbed many the wrong way too.

by bgn1987 on Sep 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

good luck Bryan Kehl

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I forget...did we move up for Kehl?

this is like the skit “when keeping it real goes wrong”

instead it’s “when drafting 3-4 LBs go wrong”

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't say I was suprised by Kehl being let go

Was he not the one who missed the block on the blocked punt? He has had many opportunities to sieze a role on the Giants and just never did it. Having said all that how the heck to Gerris Wilkenson manage to stick on the final roster?

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're saying that GW > BK on specials

they’re also saying that this probably means that the Groin injury is not all that bad. But with Gerris…..you never know.

I also think if it ever came down to it the Giants would feel better with GW playing LB than BK.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

to answer my question....we did move up to select him

I hope he gets another shot, hopefully a 3-4 team picks him up and gives him a chance but he’s not eligible for the PS so sadly this is gotta be a tough time for Kehl. He could be “outta” football all together.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be comfortable with GW or BK playing on anything other than special teams

I think BK being cut was ment to send a message, because our ST is horrible and they will cost us some games if they don’t improve.

by Late for Dinner on Sep 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

He did have some good tackles

Kehl had some good times, yes he missed the block but Tom Quinn is the problem. We can play musical players but the fish stinks from the head down. Quinn must go, TC must be in love. Maybe opening a roster spot for Bear to keep Beckum? Don’t get me started on that guy again…

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 14, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough....

but when considering the move…I think you have to consider what the Giants may or may not feel comfortable with.

he definitely has more experience than Kehl at LB.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gerris has actually shown in game he can play

he can just get injured by anything (including a stray breeze). He played really well in the 07 season (before getting hurt), so the potential is there.

by brisulph on Sep 15, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

They dumped Kehl for Bear

Bear signed off PS.

Here is a blurb on Kehl…

Kehl had three special teams tackles against Carolina on Sunday. He was a fourth-round draft choice in 2008 and played in 31 games with three starts. Last year, he tied for the team lead with 16 special teams tackles.

Goofed Sunday but a good ST player. Who do they have to make ST better? ST problem? I know they had to make room for Bear but I will never relent, Quinn must go.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, maybe they re-sign Tim Brown to PS

Ed and I would be pleased. :)

Yeah, it is a pipe dream, know he signed with Cardinals.

Gartrell? Steal Chandler from CowGirls? Boy are the Giants regretting that one now.

OK start guessing who they will sign to PS…

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 14, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Kehl was nothing special

I think he was the right choice to put Bear back on the roster.

Beckum still has untapped potential. He will never be a starter but he can be a good 2nd TE. The giants could do some interesting things with him and Boss in 2 TE formations.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 14, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

If and when Boss is back

I know Boss is tough but hope he does whatever is best for his health. In 2 TEs, usually a blocking TE would be second, Bear more likely.

Most impt, wish Boss well.

BTW, yes they had to release someone to get Bear on. Gerris would be my pick by a thin margin as I have not seen him contribute anywhere and cannot stay healthy. I could see arguments either choice.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harry Carson defines class..

OJ Anderson, George Martin, Mark Bavaro (always walking around in the am with his salad bowl of cheerios), Phil Simms, Jim Burt, Jumbo Elliot…The list goes on..I feel priviledged to have met and talked a bit with them also Parcells..What a regular Joe kinda guy…Me and two buddies were in Sterling Forest one time and knocked on his door..I remember the basketball and Goal in the driveway where Chris played..Anyway, his wife answered the door and was very sweet, told us Phil would love to meet you but he is still at work (7:30pm)..She told us to come by again..Without Phil Simms, there would be no XXV with our guys in it..These guys probably will never get in the HOF, but they are in ours already..and that is what is important to me and probably all of us Giants fans..We know what they did to make our team great…Personally, I think our OJ should replace the one that is in their..Our OJ doesn’t wear ‘Gloves’…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 14, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Knocked Phil Simms door not Parcells..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 14, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

O.j. Anderson

Totally belongs in the HOF – Think of all his great yrs withe the Cardinals and Bills 19 Giants 20 when the G-men kept the ball 40+ minutes to keep Kelly off the field, mostly on O.J.s back. Bavaro should be there because he redefined the use of the TE as an offensive weapon. Who can forget Jim Burt carrying his son thru the stands after the Giants won the NFC championship . Phil Simms for an outstanding career and Eliot for the same reason.

by 7mike on Sep 15, 2010 5:33 AM EDT reply actions  

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