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Looking Backwards Going Forwards, Week 1
I used to write a weekly article for my own site years ago. The title, "Looking Backwards Going Forwards," was an expression taken from my high school football coach. As silly as it sounded, it was something catchy my readers could latch on to. Whether it's a feeling of nostalgia, or just the urge to get some writing done, I have the urge to revive this little article series.
I hope you all enjoy it.
The Giants won against the Panthers; but, how good of a win was it, and what can they look forward to next week against the Colts?
As a Giants fan, I'm excited about the possibilities with this team. While the numbers weren't spectacular for facing off against a mediocre team, they were good enough to get the win, and an improved performance in the second half of the game gave me hope for the future.
Before I talk about the future, though, I really should address the nagging issue I have: the numbers. The one that bothers me the most are the turnovers: four. While I agree that they're not the fault of Eli Manning, they're still turnovers - and tipping the ball into the defenses hands has been a problem for the New York Giants since Eli took over as Quarterback.
The thing is: I don't really understand WHY we have so many turnovers on tipped balls. Eli, when he doesn't throw a ball directly into a disguised coverage, usually throws the ball where either the defender can't get to it, or all he can do is tip it away. His ability to place the ball in the right spot at the right time is uncanny, and yet our receivers ability to almost spike these balls as if they're volleyballs is unsettling. It's something that WR coach Sean Ryan, in his first season, will need to address and hopefully solve, before next weeks game.
Two other numbers bothered me this week: the Giants had 6 runnings plays that lost yardage, and third down efficiency was down to 35%.
The running game was ... average at best. 118 rushing yards on 36 rushing plays for an average of 3.3 yards per carry. 3.3 YPC multiplied by 3 downs is 9.9 yards. That's a 3 and out. The running game is SO CLOSE to being what this team needs it to be - 3.5 yards per carry - and yet it is so far away. They gave up 6 negative yardage rushing plays for a loss of 23 plays.
Let's be honest with ourselves here: this is not what the Giants want out of the rushing game, but unless things improve significantly this average rushing game is what we can expect. It'll be "good enough," and "serviceable" but it won't be fantastic.
With the number of dropped passes and tipped interceptions, that really bothers me. This Giants team needs something to stand out - either rushing or passing - and neither of them do right now.
Third down efficiency has to improve. 5 conversions on 14 attempts (35%) is not going to win a lot of games. In comparison, the New England Patriots were 9 for 13 on third downs (69%) and the Houston Texans were 6 for 11 (54%). Incidentally, Indianapolis had a similar third down conversion ratio: 4 for 12 (33%). If we expect to continue winning games, our conversion percentage must increase, and fast.
There are a ton of positives here, though. Eli Manning continues to evolve and he's now seeing and making passes that he wasn't able to only a few years ago. The passing game looks like it'll be a force to be reckoned with, and may force other teams to respect it, opening up the opportunity for the running game to get its legs.
The defensive front looked awesome. Heck, even though the NASCAR front gave up a mid-field pass, they collapsed the pocket in record time - if Moore doesn't get that pass out as fast as he had the Giants would have five sacks on the day.
I like what this defense is capable of doing. Now, I want to see them do it against a consistently good opponent, and they'll get that chance against Indianapolis this week.
This game is going to be a tough one. Looking at the Colts loss, you can see that Peyton is out of sync with his receivers. Something just doesn't seem right with this team and you know that they did not want to drop the opening day divisional match to Houston. You know that they're looking to get in sync and get a win.
You also know that Peyton can absolutely decimate the middle of our field.
The Colts are, by and large, a passing offense. They had 419 yards passing and only 44 yards rushing in the game against Houston. Their pass blocking - which is some of the best in the league - combined with the uncanny abilities of Peyton Manning is a hell of a show to behold. They have won at least 12 games every season since 2002, and just because they dropped thee first game for the first time since Peyton's rookie season doesn't mean they're going to fall to 9-7.
To put it another way: the Giants have faced a mediocre team in the Panthers, and now they're going to face a consistently good team in the Colts. Can they do it?
I think they can, but I have my doubts. The major thing that concerns me is the passing game: the Colts looked off, and yet they put up 419 yards through the air and averaged 7.1 yards per passing play. That 7.1 yards is right in the middle of our field - that same zone that every single last one of us is concerned about. It's the same zone where our defense is weakest. It's the point of attack that the Colts will attempt to exploit.
Unless, of course, our defensive front can put Peyton on the ground. We need our front four to put the Pressure on Peyton and limit his ability to control the field. Houston managed to sack him twice, and I think our defensive front is good enough that we should be able to beat that number. NASCAR managed to collapse the pocket quickly against Carolina in the one play they were in - don't be surprised to see them in against Peyton multiple times in this game.
We should also be able to throw and run on the Colts. Let's face the cold hard reality of Houston: they don't have an amazing QB-WR combination. We have a QB and several WRs that can be a threat. If IND focuses on stopping the running game - as I suspect they will, since they were humiliated on the ground for 257 yards - the Giants have more than enough offensive firepower to keep IND on its heels and hesitant to bring the run blitz.
In other words: expect a couple of screen passes and a lot of quick passes towards the sidelines as IND tries to cram the middle.
That's good news for us, in case you haven't noticed, because Nicks and Manningham are pretty darn good receivers on the outside.
I have no doubt that the Colts can put up a lot of points against our vulnerable defense. I just think that the Giants can put up more.
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Excellent write-up LordKat, really did a great job expressing both the positive and negatives from Sundays game in a direct and unbiased manner.
Your keys to next weeks matchup were also spot on, it’s almost the opposite of Week 1’s game in that we now may be looking to focus heavy on a pash rush early, as opposed to stopping the run whcih was the case against Carolina. Should we be able to get to Peyton early and often, we may be looking at a “real deal” as far asthis defense is concerned.
Again, great post. Rec’d in hopes of seeing future installments of “Looking Backwards Going Forwards”.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
+1
Very sound analysis, hard to dispute your argument. And kudos to you for taking the time to look deeper into the numbers and draft this piece.
The only thing I would like to add, which you said in so many words, is that the defense is going to have to step up and make big plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
You have such a way with words...
I’m interested in subscribing in your Newsletter.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A few things about last Sunday and this upcoming Sunday night
Peyton put up 422 yards passing, and the Colts barely ran the ball. But if the Colts are down, they are going to rely upon Peyton to pass them back into the game. He won’t put up 422 yards passing this Sunday.
I like our chances against their defense. Eli is playing great, regardless of the three picks. I think our running game will improve and that will open up the field for the passing game, and vice versa.
I think with the Colts at home and an early 0-1 schedule, I expect them to start the game passing a lot. If the Giants go with more DBs on the field to shorten/tighten Peyton’s opportunities, I don’t see the Colts running game hurting us at all. We will stuff their running game, and I also expect some blitzing, but not a lot, to get Peyton out of rhythm.
One MAJOR issue for me is the Giants’ special teams play. People tend to forget that your special teams can make or break you. That is an area I’m really looking for the Giants to improve upon.
Garbage Time
More than 220 passing yards were the in the Colts final 3 possession and more than 150 or Peyton’s passing yards were the last 2 possessions with the Colts down 17 points. Through 3 quarters Peyton had about 200 yards passing.
While the Colts only rushed for 44 yards let’s not overlook those 44 yards. It was in 10 carries. That’s 4.4 yards per carry. The Colts were down 13-0 after Houston’s first 3 possessions.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Lots of scoring expected
If the Giants are to win they will have to score 27+ points. Probably in the 30’s. Peyton and team will score that much because
1) he is the master of the checkdown and Goff has no chance to outthink him. No slam on Goff, few beat Peyton at the line of scrimmage;.
2) Payton dumps the ball of quickly so unless Tuck & Co get there in 3 seconds he will get his pass off; NASCAR? Dunno.
3) he thrives where Giants are weakest, short passes.
Giants can do this if they:
1) run the ball, chew up the clock and keep Peyton on the bench;
2) win the turnover battle;
3) play to a draw on specials; and
4) score some points
On O, when Eli misses, he misses high. Often with some juice on the ball. Tipped passes will continue to be a problem. And I would not wait. I love Richie but put Andrews in at LG now.
On D, short passes are trouble for the Giants. Dunno why. Boley was brought in becuse we was supposed to be good in coverage. Bulluck has a reputation for covering skills. And there are not 2 but 3 solid cover safeties to use. Can that be improved? Hope so.
Peyton might not take lots of sacks
2) Payton dumps the ball of quickly so unless Tuck & Co get there in 3 seconds he will get his pass off; NASCAR? Dunno.
With some pressure Peyton can be rattled. He won’t take a sack but with pressure in his face he’ll throw the INT.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Get in the passing lanes
mostly slants and quick outs.
Their receivers will not like going over the middle on deep ins with three roaming safeties with a propensity to hit HARD
I agree with MSP...
I’m skeptical that our pass rush can get to Peyton in time. We thrive against the 5 to 7 step drop plays, but struggle mightily against the quick 3 step drops that QBs like Brees and Peyton do. For the most part, it takes the rush out of the equation. In the first half against Carolina, we really didn’t have much of a pass rush. It was only until the end of the game – when Carolina was forced to be predictable and forced to try longer passes with the 7 step drop – that we were able to actually able to get to Moore consistently.
Houston had at least three sacks on him
and many others hits, pressures and a couple knock downs.
We can absolutely get there!!
Clark
If some one bumps Clark at the LOS he will have to hold the ball Id say we put one of the backers on him just to push him around at the LOS and then drop into their zone
by michaelkhan3 on Sep 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
This post reminds me of Joe Pesci.
" Oh, I like this one… One dog goes one way, the other dog goes the other way, and this guy’s sayin’, "Whadda ya want from me?’ Guy’s got a nice head of white hair, it’s beautiful. "
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
I just heard it
on Sirius NFL radio. Didn’t see anything about it yesterday during or after the game.
Nice Post
Like your use of numbers to strengthen you argument.
Couple things: "Let’s face the cold hard reality of Houston: they don’t have an amazing QB-WR combination. "
Can’t agree there: Matt Schaub has Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones. I think Indy keyed in on that huge threat and got gashed by an unknown quantity. Our balanced attack will give them fits if we employ it right.
This is petty but the editor in me has to suggest you change your post title to the grammatically correct Looking Backward Going Forward (not plural – a very common mistake)
I'm a little confused by that "don't have an amazing QB-WR combo" thing too
Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub are the best QB-WR pair in the league right now… No one else is even close, except for maybe Welker and Brady.
Right now?
As in today?
The record books will show that the best WR-QB combo in the game is Manning to Nicks, thank you very much.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
history is why we say it is
and I’m with you
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)
Not the greatest
but pretty darn good.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
In this case
the title is a quote of an expression used by his Coach……so, permissible?
if you put quotes around it
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 14, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Beatty
Beatty was in a boot after the game last night.
Love the format of this post ...
Just wanted to add a few more overall thoughts of where we are after Week 1:
Our D has shown enough already that it’s clear Fewell can turn it around. Never thought KP would be so productive for us so early in 2010. In fact, our Secondary may be one of the best out there with Phillips, Rolle, Thomas and Webster. Fewell also seems to specialize in making the DB’s better and more effective. Going into this year, I never thought Shawn Andrews was even an option, and now I’m thinking it might really pay some dividends.
Also after Week 1, DAL ain’t all that (yes they’re "pumping the brakes" on the SB talk in Big D), PHI has a full-blown QB controversy and they both have major OL issues. WAS surprised, but I can’t really take them too seriously as a contender this year, and Shana-Rat seems determined to play out the Fat Albert soap opera all year – major distraction. Elsewhere in the NFC, neither the Vikes nor the Saints looked dominant, and the Packers were good enough to win, but no great shakes in PHI. And nobody else really scares anyone. Yes, it’s early, but still things look wide open.
Areas for improvement:
Fewell claims to want to "dictate" to the offense, but still seeing too many base rush packages on 3rd and forever. Panthers converted a 3rd and 18 on us that way, then Fewell sent the blitz on 3rd and 8 and they barely converted a 12 yard play. That would have gotten us off the field on the longer distance try. The Panthers gave us a similar gift just rushing 3 on something like 3rd and 17, which we coverted on the way to a TD drive.
KG’s play calling (what’s new) sometimes seems like a great mix, but it’s usually when we have a big lead. He can’t seem to call a good game when behind, so start lying to him about the score.
And as far as our WR’s "spiking" the ball, I was thinking they were more doing the "set" part, with the pick being the spike, but it definitely looked like volleyball out there !!
If it means anything...
Peter King actually has the Giants ranked #5 in his MMQB column. I don’t take his opinions too seriously, but that was a little suprising to me. Somebody in the media sees a silver-lining with our Giants. I actually agree with him, as well as your points, Shof. It is pretty wide-open. None of those teams looked dominating, but if we want to win in December, we better get our running game issues resolved, because that will be the determining factor when the weather worsens (unless, of course, we’re playing in the superdome).
I think the Colts game will be very hard
Colts are playing at home, the team will be exceptionally focused because they lost the first game and their defense is not bad. Yes they got gashed but I do not see the Giants getting anywhere near as many rushing yards.
Even a loss will not be devastating though. The other 3 teams in our league all looked very bad, mostly on offense. We have a fantastic chance to win the division this year.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 13, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
let's play low-key with the win the division stuff until we beat either the Cowboys, Skins, or Eagles
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)
May not get
as many rushing yards but we will run on them mostly at will. Houston gashed them and did not even think about passing because they did not need to.
I think we are more physical than Houston on the DEF side and not as much on the OFF side in the trench. That being said, we will not blow them out but I do expect Manning 1 to be under a good amount of pressure and seeing that Fewell was still analyzing his defensive pacakges late in the 4th on Sunday, I expect different rush packages this weekend.
Player comments
When you look at the overall player perspective of the game it’s clear that Fewell’s is a game planner. It’s interesting to hear from the Dline how they were playing in the first half and the aggression we witnessed in the second. I was very concerned at the half but if what I’m hearing is true then I give it up to Fewell because his plan worked.
Let us see what his plan is for the Colts…
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)
Great post
no need to repeat all the points that have been made. Great Post
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
A NAYSAYER.
I’m sorry but I absolutely have to take umbridge with a few of these statements.
“Let’s face the cold hard reality of Houston: they don’t have an amazing QB-WR combination”
Ummm Schaub to Andre Johnson maybe one of the best combos in the NFL – Check the numbers they are startling.
“Looking at the Colts loss, you can see that Peyton is out of sync with his receivers”
40 of 57 for 419 yards 3 td’s a qb rating of 109.8. I would kill for this type of out of sync quarterback receiver combination. I think what was out of sync was the run defense which gave up 700 yards to foster and 15 touchdowns, or at least thats what it felt like.
“We have a QB and several WRs that can be a threat”
Agreed, but once again Schaub to Johnson/daniels/walter/foster is pretty dynamic. They simply didnt have to pass (only 5 in the second half) because foster was treating the colts like Chirs Brown treated Rhianna (too soon?)
“and now they’re going to face a consistently good team in the Colts”
Are there such things as inconsistent good teams? Sorry nitpicky and completely jerky of me.

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