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'Kudos & Wet Willies': Loving The Defense Edition

EAST RUTHERFORD NJ - SEPTEMBER 12:  Osi Umenyiora of the New York Giants forces a fumble against Matt Moore of the Carolina Panthers during the fourth quarter on Sept. 12, 2010 at the New Meadowlands Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J. The Giants defeated the Panthers 31-18. Moore was injured on the play and left the game. (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

Now this is a 'Kudos & Wet Willies' the way I like it. Lots of 'Kudos' and only a couple of 'Wet Willies.' Let's get right to it.

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Kudos to ...

Defensive Line: A great job throughout the first three quarters controlling the Carolina running game, then lots of pressure on quarterback Matt Moore once Perry Fewell turned them loose. Let's mention a few guys individually.

  • Justin Tuck: Four tackles, including a couple of run stops coming down the line to make the play, and several quarterback pressures.
  • Mathias Kiwanuka: Lined up all over the place -- defensive end, defensive tackle, linebacker in the 'heavy' package designed to stop the run. He rushed the passer, dropped into coverage, made run stops as a lineman and linebacker. He did it all. Kiwanuka ended up with two sacks, four tackles and a forced fumble.
  • Osi Umenyiora: He started, which I'm sure made him feel good, then went out and justified the decision. He played the run as well as I can remember seeing in a long time, recording five tackles. He also had a sack, aforced fumble and a handful of quarterback pressures. For me, that's better than he played at any time in 2009.
  • Chris Canty: Can the 6-foot-7 Canty play defensive tackle? Sure looked like it Sunday. He was a force in the middle, and at defensive end in the heavy package. Six tackles, a half-sack and lots of stout work against the run. The big man is healthy, and if he keeps playing like that no one will be questioning how much money the Giants are paying him.
  • Barry Cofield: Four tackles, and split a sack with Canty. Seems like he spent most of the day in the Carolina backfield.

Kenny Phillips: An interception in the end zone, and a tremendous touchdown-saving diving tackle on DeAngelo Williams in the first quarter.

Terrell Thomas: Did get beat by Carolina's Steve Smith for a touchdown, but it took an incredible throw from Moore to get that done. Had a pick, and four tackles.

Deon Grant: Love the fact that the veteran safety did not pout about losing his job to Phillips. When he got on the field, he made a huge play, picking off a floating Moore pass to save what looked like it would be seven Carolina points.

Eli Manning: Forget the three picks. None of those were his fault even if you want to argue that the one to Ramses Barden was too high. When you're 6-foot-6 and you can get both hands on a high throw without jumping, that's a ball that has to be caught if you're an NFL receiver. Without the six drops by the Giants, Eli would have been 26-for-30 for well over 300 yards with zero interceptions. He was fabulous, I don't care what the overall numbers show.

Hakeem Nicks: Four catches, three for touchdowns. Are we going to have to start calling him 'Touchdown Maker'? A couple of beautiful grabs, though he did miss one he should have had that resulted in an interception.

Perry Fewell: An impressive debut for the Giants new defensive coordinator. The Giants obviously game-planned to stop the run, and allowed Carolina's vaunted rushing attack just 89 yards on 24 carries (3.7 yards per attempt). Then, late in the game Fewell turned the defensive line and the blitzers loose on Moore, and the Giants ended up with four sacks. Loved the multiple fronts, with players moving all across the line. Mathias Kiwanuka played defensive end, defensive tackle and linebacker. At times, Osi Umenyiora and Justin Tuck played side-by-side. Chris Canty played some defensive end. Lots of alignments, lots of variations. Best of all, big plays and turnovers when they were needed. The Giants defense faced a short field the entire first half, and only surrendering 16 points was actually great work.

Kevin Gilbride: Love him or hate him, I think this week you have to give it up for the Giants offensive coordinator. The Giants dominated time of possession, holding the ball for 34:39. Without a true tight end, and after rushing for negative yardage in the first half, Gilbride dug a little deeper into the playbook and found ways to help the Giants get a ground game going. Good work from KG making some adjustments on the fly, something he is often criticized for being unable to do.

Mario Manningham: Four catches for 84 yards, including one for 31 yards. I was most impressed, however, by the communication that seems to be developing between Manningham and Manning, which was especially in evidence on the long third-down completion down the right sideline in the first half.

Red Zone Defense/Green Zone Offense: Three turnovers created by the defense in the Red Zone, three touchdowns scored by the offense in the Green Zone. Can't say that long-term problem has been cured after one game, but that sure was nice to see.

Wet Willies to ...

Matt Dodge: Pitiful. Two horrible punts, and one that was blocked. The blocked punt was the fault of the protection, but still an awful debut for the rookie punter. Memo to any veteran punter looking for a job -- if you don't have your agent call Giants GM Jerry Reese ASAP you are foolish.

Kickoff Coverage: Worse than Dodge's punting. What 'clean' word can I use to describe it? How about 'friggin' awful,' which is as close as I will come to dropping an F bomb. The awful coverage probably helped Carolina to at least 10 of its first-half points. It was better in the second half, but still not good enough.

Travis Beckum: Maybe this is unfair since the second-year tight end was asked to do much more than expected, but it was easy to see why the Giants really don't want to use Beckum on the line of scrimmage. He got pushed into the backfield a number of times, and the primary run game adjustment the Giants made in the second half was to do pretty much everything possible to run away from wherever he was lined up. With Kevin Boss suffering a concussion and a neck injury in the first series Sunday, I will be stunned if the Giants don't quickly sign Bear Pascoe to the active roster.

Tom Quinn: I asked it during the offseason, but how does the Giants special teams coach still have a job? The Giants could not cover kickoffs or punts last season, and they still can't now. We saw an awful offsides on a kickoff, a miscommunication in punt blocking that led to a blocked kick, horrible work by Dodge, D.J. Ware get in Darius Heyward's way on a kickoff and muff a ball he had no business trying to catch. Sorry, but a lot of that is on Quinn. I can't believe the Giants saw fit to keep him, and it is a decision that is obviously hurting them.

Ramses Barden: I know he only had one ball thrown in his direction, but ... when you are 6-foot-6 and your role on the team is make catches across the middle to move the chains you have to catch that ball, not bat it up in the air and cost your quarterback an interception. Keep that up, and Ramses will be in street clothes on Sundays watching Victor Cruz play.

Kwillies to ...

I have to give out a couple of these. By very loose definition, a 'kwillie' goes to those who contributed for both teams.

Ahmad Bradshaw: Nice running with 20 carries for 76 yards, including a 39-yard run that was longer than any running play the Giants had in 2009. But, a bad drop that turned into an interception, and a fumble when the Giants were simply trying to run out the clock. Can't have those.

Offensive Line: This was a real mixed bag. Outstanding pass protection for Manning most of the day as he was sacked just once and often had loads of time to survey his options. Pretty awful run blocking for the most part, though. Absolute nothing available on the left side behind David Diehl and Rich Seubert. Brandon Jacobs 22-yard run to that side was simply a great play call by KG that caught the Panthers off-guard. A terrible job by Shaun O'Hara and Chris Snee on the fourth-and-inches play where Eli barely made the first down. The Giants had a little second-half success running behind Snee and Kareem McKenzie, but a lot of what Bradshaw got he did on his own.

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A much deserved kudos for Cofield...

…who, like always, quietly went about doing his thing. The DTs were key yesterday to shutting down Carolina’s rushing attack, controlling down and distance, and putting our pash rushers and DBs guys in position to step up and make big plays.

Plus, from my POV, Cofield gave us the best post-game quote (from giants.com):

“That is what this defense is all about – making big plays. Big plays can cure a lot of other evils. One of the things that I am most proud about is that we held them to a lot of field goals. When teams score those ‘sevens’ and get ahead, you don’t get a chance to get pressure on the quarterback. The fact that we were able to hold them to field goals it enabled us to turn our athletes loose. Our db’s did a great job of getting interceptions today, and with the pressure that we got, it worked hand in hand. That is when we are at our best.”

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 6:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Cofield quote

Yes, great quote. A reminder, though, that you don’t have to go to Giants.com to find it, and all the post-game reaction. Just go to the ‘Transcripts’ page right here at BBV. All the available transcripts are listed at the bottom of Tom Coughlin’s post-game press conference transcript, as well.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awfully soft on the kwillies, Ed.

I can think of a bunch more.

HAKEEM NICKS: Two of those drops were absolutely dreadful. And didn’t he cause a pick? The only way Nicks makes up for a performance like that would be to score three touchdowns. Oh. Wait….

KEVIN GILBRIDE: ..was lost when Boss went down. To his credit, he rallied.

ELI MANNING: Had a couple boneheaded plays mixed in with some great ones.

PERRY FEWELL: Kidding. KIDDING. How nice was it to see the middle of the defense looking solid again? Lovin’ me some Deon Grant, some Terrell Thomas (The Other Steve Smith is pretty dang good. Tip your cap.) and some Kenny Phillips. Chris Canty and Barry Cofield, too. Very encouraging.

Was Ahmad Bradshaw limping on his way to the end zone? I hope not. That guy runs like he’s running for his dinner.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 13, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree on the 4th and inches play

if you look at it, Eli had enough room for himself, his brother, Archie, Cooper and all the in laws to all at least get a yard and a half. I think he got partially held up on O’Hara’s ankle (not really Shaun’s fault) but Eli needed to lower the shoulder or dive in there, he went in scared of getting popped.

Also on the Barden play. I agree he should’ve caught it, but it was one he had to jump up a bit for, it was thrown very hard and it was only a 7 or 8 yard throw. That was a lot on Eli too, Eli wasn’t just being nice when he said it was his fault in the post game.

Also think the Giants org. deserves more of a wet willie then Beckum himself. They got shown the hard way what happens if Boss is hurt. Doubt they go that way again

Love the DL play, said all along stopping the run depends on those guys. Doesn’t matter who the LB’s are if all the DL’s are making the tackles. Canty looked like Fred Robbins out there, and Cofield looked like Cofield. Kiwi was a monster. Osi was the same dude, its just OK now cuz the DT’s are doing their job. And Tuck looked healthy again.

And Anvil didn’t even play, which is fine….cuz there’s 16 (hopefully + games) games, so he can spell others as the season goes along.

The LB’s played well too, I thought the starting 3 were quiet but their jobs. So much for that idea that if you don’t know who the LB’s are they aren’t good.

Eli will take what’s there in the passing game, but this game just shows how much damage our WRs are gonna do. I bet Eli can’t wait to show off all his toys to big bro.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 13, 2010 6:29 AM EDT reply actions  

rough day for Beckum, but...

…on Bradshaw’s TD he did enough to push the DE who overpursued out of the play and open up the gap on the right side with McKenzie for AB. Not bad for a guy who isn’t supposed to be much of a blocker. That was about the only good thing I saw him do all day.

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few more negatives

for Beckum on a few passes that weren’t thrown his way on replay I could see he was getting very little separation from a LB. Eli won’t throw him the ball without any separation.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

that doesn't make any sense...

the defense gets paid to play too. Why not give Smith, Nicks, Ham, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, etc., negatives for all the times a defenders was in their back pocket and the QB didn’t throw them the ball?

C’mon man..you’re going to unnecessary lengths to bash Beckum. He’s gonna rub your nose in it one day.

Toney Douglas

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 13, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree on the sneak

Dan Connor got a clean shot at Eli, which can’t happen. Eli did not get low enough, but the Giants got the first down so it’s moot.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can only block so many guys

Nice hole there for a yard gain. If Eli goes lower, there’s no challenging the spot.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

all he had to do was fall over and that would've been the yard...

but like Ed, said – moot point…thank god it was only inches for that first down

"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck

by 27Tango on Sep 13, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on Eli's fault for almost missing the 4th and inches ...

It looked like he had never run a sneak before. I thought the initial and review spot were both too generous, and was afraid he hadn’t even made it.

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

the one thing

Eli is not good at it’s running the sneak. He’s terrible.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

he is, never gets low enough, but that is not a great concern. The punter is not going to be on a long leash, that is a concern. I also thought the defense played fairly well, allowing TD before the half was inexcusable, since only had to stop one more play, before the field goal team would have went in. Also, the third and long bugaboo, a couple times, just have to get off the field, really good QB"s will pick you apart if you don’t.
Get that juggs gun out this week, pronto, hang onto the ball. It’s a win, and you will take it.

"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.

by Great Gatsby on Sep 13, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you watch it again, Barden fully extended for that pass. At 6’6 jumping that high, that’s a ball that should be thrown better. That’s on Eli.

by lboogie25 on Sep 13, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eli could have thrown it better

Many of those passes could have been thrown better. He is, of course, trying to put it where only his guy can get it. But they’ll get there.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have a replay of it, but it looked like he could've jumped higher

anyways, as a receiver – you get your hands on it – you need to bring it down – plain and simple…what more being an NFL receiver with the 2nd biggest hands on the team?

"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck

by 27Tango on Sep 13, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

I record every game. Barden only jumped about 2 inches. He could have and should have jumped higher. He didn’t jump higher because he probably felt he could catch the ball without doing so. I believe the dropped pass was caused because he was off balance.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it looked like he mis-timed the jump ...

and was on his way down fully extended when he tipped it. Throw could have been better, but most of the tips were on the WR’s.

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looked like Boley got beat

in the passing game a few times but I agree if the DTs play their game the run game will take care of itself.

by Landeta on Sep 13, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on a couple of these points.

It looked like Eli turned away from the line of scrimmage with the ball in order to protect himself. And the throw to Ramses was too high but I think the blame is 60/40 on Eli at most.

I’d also give a WET WILLIE to whoever OK’ed those patches. Way too big, especially on the captains’ jerseys. And one to the coaching staff for thinking they could make it through with 2 TE. Fortunately it didn’t cost us a W.

OMAHA!

OMAHA!

by dELIghtful on Sep 13, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Giantic Wet Willie for the organization

It’s inexcusable the game into the season and game with one true TE especially when we consider the number of hard hits Boss seems to absorb.

Terrible decision

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meant

gigantic

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

know what you meant but considering who we are talking about think giantic is fitting

by albie21 on Sep 13, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

defense worth watching

It’s been a couple of years since I’ve looked forward to seeing the defense on the field. Boy, what a relief to see most of them play to their ability yesterday! DGrant was awesome & EVERYWHERE!
As far as the throw to Barden, if you’re 6-6, add the 18" of outstretched arms over your head AND can jump a modest 30" vertical, Eli should be able to throw that ball 10’ in the air & there should be NO excuse for an NFL receiver to not come down with it. What a sweet 2nd half, lots of mistakes, but lots of improvement and corrections made at the half, I’m sure TC had a cow when the ground game was not working. I’m pleased… next week against Indi will be a good test :-)

by nygblue on Sep 13, 2010 6:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The defense is definitely worth watching

last year we woulda given up 4Tds instead of holding them to FGs. especially with the playing most of the first half on a short field. Defense played a great game!

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beckum

This guy has no business being on the field. He can’t block at all and to be a NFL tight end you have to at least be able to slow guys down.

Lots of drops are a bit concerning, but hey the defense looks good.

All in all I’m happy with how the team looks……of course the Eagles and Cowboys both losing helps make for a great opening weekend

by Ando81 on Sep 13, 2010 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Defense!

Can someone get a DVD of that performance and mail it to BS to show him what an actual Defense looks like?? What a difference an off-season and a change of co-ordinator can make to a unit!

Actually what I think I loved the most about watching the D was seeing how much the players actually seemed to enjoy being out there; the guys looked full of enthusiasm and like they wanted to play…could not be a greater contrast with last year…and with DG getting a pick I think that’s one more pick from a safety not named Kenny Phillips than we had all last season!

And thought the LBs were pretty much anonymous the whole game which I see as a big plus – means they were doing nothing wrong and the DL was doing a whole lot right…

Thought Reynaud was the one good thing on special teams – if only we can get the guy some blocks he actually looked like he had a few moves as a return man…although unfortunately you feel in Tom Quinn’s schemes he will have to fight for every yard he can get!

Thought Eli did a great job and although you can knock him for the interception on the Barden tip don’t think he did anything else wrong and in that weather that was pretty impressive…

And it might be just one game, but it was one massive step in the right direction and let’s hope that’s enough to silence any of the silly TC/JR talk for one week at least…

by Jonah19 on Sep 13, 2010 7:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Kudos to Jacobs enthusiasm.

people questioned whether he could be a team player after being ‘demoted’. On the one kickoff where we kept them inside the 20 I don’t recall who made the play but Jacobs was the first player off the bench to congratulate the player for the big hit.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, everyone that I criticized in the preseason and offseason

stepped up yesterday.

Eli looked good.

Manningham made some tremendous catches and looked like the Manningham that I saw the beginning of last year.

Nicks is starting to live up to the hype that he came to the NYG with. Is it safe to say that the big toe isn’t a bother?

Yeah, Bradshaw made some mistakes but he made up for them in my opinion. that 39 yard run was very much needed.

I can’t say that there is one particular player on the defense who didn’t play well. The play that I thought was the most crucial was the shoestring tackle by Phillips. The was a TD easy and the fact that ge made an effective, less than full contact tackle that close to the endzone is a testament of true talent. Good Job!!!

Osi appears to be poised for a good season. I haven’t seen that Osi since 07. I am just happy that he seems to be determined to put the doubts about his talent to rest.

Canty was a beast.
Cofield was a beast.
Tuck was a beast.
Webster…Thomas….Boley….Bulluck…Great job fella!!!

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 7:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

you really motivated them, Lo!

you got to start criticizing them for next week’s game :)…lol

"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck

by 27Tango on Sep 13, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol! Maybe. There was enough from me to give second helpings for all.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

McKenzie had a great game

The right tackle looked as good and as strong as he he had in ’07- really an excellent day for him, for the most part. The O-Line did have some break-downs, and maybe throwing Andrews in once in a while might help.

I disagree about the LBs- they contributed very little, but the D-Backs were almost across the board outstanding- helped, of course, by that line work.

Finally, many people on this site complained and questioned the Giants decision to keep only 2 tight ends on the roster. Now we see how foolish that was. (As an aside, though I recognize how much everyone seems to like Boss, he does get hurt a lot and may not be as reliable as needed).

All in all, despite playing against a weaker opponent, and excellent showing.

by grange77 on Sep 13, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

re: the LBs

I have to say I liked what I saw out of Goff — or rather, what I didn’t see out of Goff. It didn’t appear that there were many plays where guys were out of position, etc., which is quite an accomplishment considering all of the different looks Fewell threw at the Panthers.

I hope this bodes well for the future. I think Goff is the right fit for having the headset and being the signal caller. He was a mechanical engineering major at Vanderbilt — not exactly a light weight — and one doesn’t pursue that line of study if he/she cannot understand how systems with dynamic parts operate together. I look forward to more of his stewardship of our D as the year goes on.

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may be correct

Though I was unimpressed with the group, as I said, they didn’t appear to cause any problems, despite Boley’s being apparently mis-matched a couple of times.

But to be fair, let’s see how they do against a real QB and an angry team, next weekend. Gives them another week together.

Anyway, it also appeared that Fewell went with as many as 6 DBs on many occasions.

by grange77 on Sep 13, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goff

One mistake. He stepped into the hole too quickly and had the back go right past him on the one long run Carolina had. Other than that, played very well. No one on the defense played poorly.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, if I hear you correctly...

…what you are saying is that it is a wash, a net zero from last year, as AP would have done the very same thing and gotten lost in the play, right? ;)

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

I hadn’t thought about it that way.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree with you

on that. Mental error on that play but like you guys are all saying, the LB’s were anonymous mostly which means they were doing their job.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was

Sintim active?

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

active meaning

was he at giants staduim, or did he get to play.

yea, i seen him dressed..gameready.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

fasho!

Glad he made the stat sheet

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

McKenzie

Pretty obvious that if the Giants are going to be able to run the ball it will be to the right behind Snee and McKenzie. They didn’t get anything done trying to go behind Diehl and Seubert.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

One TE

we kept only one true TE.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overall I felt they answered alot of questions an concerns we had...It was a great defensive performance...

Know we know what Fewell has put in place…We are back to seeing our Giants defense…On offense, the guys were dropping too many passes.If it hits you,in the hands you are suppose to catch it!!…but overall they did a good job Nicks was awesome MM was great and Smitty was drawing alot of special attention which opened things up for the others…The O-line obviously needs to work together some more and get their rythmm back…They couldn’t open up a bag of peanuts,but did a good job pass blocking…Losing Boss is huge, I hope it isn’t serious…Beckum ain’t gonna cut it so the ear needs to get brought back..Overall when I rate them with my ‘Boner Meter’…They registered ‘Stiff and Solid’…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL!!

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Way too many dropped balls

I know it was wet, but 6 dropped passes, three of which were picked. If you can touch it, you can catch it. Way too many penalties. And ST is just about atrocious right now. Lot of cleaning up to do. But nothing that won’t get taken care of as the season progresses.

That offsides on the kickoff might have been more of JPP’s speed than anything else. And no one wanted to block him on that.

Reynaud didn’t get a chance to do much, but I like the potential. He’s def capable of making guys miss.

Def was a lil spotty at times, but you know as the season moves along and these guys get used to the scheme, we’ll have last year’s debacle behind us. Def like what’s going on there.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Dropped balls

mostly in first half before the rain. I think that will correct itself this upcoming week. Watching many games around the NFL, it was a common failure of receivers this weekend. I think they have the idea of being hit on their minds by other than their team mates.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

looking around the league, it def looked like the first game for everyone. Lot of sloppy play everywhere. And I was at a bar, couldn’t hear the game and didn’t even know it was raining until they had that shot of the cameraman wiping off the lens. But I also had Carolina’s feed.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think some of those dropped balls were because of nerves

young receivers, new season, new stadium, a team that destroyed us last year….

I think they will be more composed and play better next game.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 13, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean.

I only saw bits and pieces of the first half. I was at work. But the little bit that I saw there were some balls that absolutley should have been caught. Two of those dropped passes went up in the air resulting in picks. IMO, had those balls been caught, the Giants would have went in to the locker room with the lead.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I loved everything I saw yesterday but the ST

that being said….Brandon Jacobs. I’ve flip flopped on this myself. I know others have too. I’m tired of hearing him talking crap. But he’s gotta start. Part of what makes AB so explosive is Jake and the oline softening them up. AB didn’t really start padding his stats until the 2nd half. And I think it was because the defense was tired and beat up. Jake may not put up numbers like AB, but I think the offense will work better with him starting and AB closing. Just my opinion.

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 13, 2010 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

If they don't block better

it does not matter who is starting. AB has ability to make first guy miss and much of time was in backfield. Jacobs does not have that ability. Now, if Jacobs can get that three yard head start, then your observation is absolutely the way to go. I think the Giants understand that right now and that was why AB starts.

What do you think?

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but

he wasn’t making anyone miss in the 1st half. They had fresh legs so they weren’t going for the fakes. late 3rd and 4th quater they were falling for the fakes…and that’s why AB’s line looks better than it actually was.

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 13, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Making people miss in the backfield?

When the defense is getting deep penetration, how can you really expect Bradshaw or anyone to make them miss? He’d have to assume that the blocking has broken down before he even gets the ball.

by Well-Rounded Cube on Sep 13, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like

we’re gonna have to start incorporating some screen passes and the like to keep the D honest. And get some Hedgecock lead blocking action.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hedgecock got destroyed by Beason by the goal line

man! that was rough!

"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck

by 27Tango on Sep 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's what I'm saying

I don’t expect them to make anyone miss

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Sep 13, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Jacobs

It was about the blocking. There were Panther defenders in the backfield on almost every running play in the first half.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfully Disagree...

I still maintain that if you put Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams behind our line, they make yards in the first half versus our guys.. There were seams and alleys for cutbacks. Our backs cannot tippietoe or STOP. If its not there then slam it in there and get what you can.

We have a masher, and a hopper. What we do not have is any back that can hit the hole and go…..

I think its unreasonable in this day and age of 325lb athletic DTs to think that there should be gaping holes you can draw on the telestrator for guys like Ron Dayne to run thru…. Good backs get their yards on crappy teams with no blocking. Our guys are creating enough room to run.

I also maintain that we should go back to the mantra of Jacobs FIRST and then Bradshaw as the changeup. The theory of that is to pound the defense and wear them down. So many love Bradshaw now, but its the first game of the season, if the Giants make him the feature back I doubt he will be healthy at the end of the season…. Also, Jacobs is a terrific backfield blocker and you can see how effect he is with play-action….

RB is going to be a need for us next year.

by dubsrub on Sep 13, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

masher and hopper?

jacobs is a “masher”.. and thats what he is good at.. but hopper? lol..Dont get upset..but you need to analyze more football guy.. bradshaw is a cutback runner. Teams look for this type of talent. The panthers have a different SCHEME from what we run. Some O’s have run playes that develop holes slower than other.. so just speed running and hitting the hole hard arent by design on every play here w/ NY. There are set plays for that and we run them too, just not as much as the panthers do.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think his analysis is pretty good

Either Stewart or Williams get 1500 yards behind our line I would guess. Jacobs is not a masher until he has a head of steam. And teams have learned to take him at the ankles. Our guys have talent, don’t get me wrong. But Steven Jackson dominates on the worst team in football. Every year. We do not have a Steven Jackson. Nor a Stewart. Nor a Williams. An even bigger tribute to the job our defense did yesterday. Our RB’s would have had no chance against our defense the way they played yesterday. We could surely use an elite RB one day. We will probably do fine with what we have.

by Spider Lockhart on Sep 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I've been saying it for a while

We need a good, talented, BALANCED, RB. Someone like Adrian Peterson or Mark Ingram. Not a power back, not a small shifty back.

PS. Spiller debut: 7 carries, 6 yards, 0.9 average.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 13, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw is a scatback

not a hard cut runner. He jukes and jives with the best of them which works in some situations and not others. He’s not a one cut and go upfield type of runner whihc is what I beleive dubsrub is calling for, so your statement that he needs to analyze more football seems off to me. Bradshaw makes some nice moves, but he does stop his forward momentum to then “hop” and try to take another route. That can make something out of nothing it can also get you tackled in the backfield where the one cut guy might have slammed in for a few yards.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I still maintain that if you put Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams behind our line, they make yards in the first half versus our guys.

No back in the NFL is going to gain much yardage with the opposing dline camping in your backfield. I don’t care what kinda of runner you are.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree with the last paragraph

not just from this first game..but that wwas my initial thought in the back of my head… i think the defense would be better to adjust to a swtich of bradshaw to jacobs..vs a switch of jacobs to bradshaw..

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

But the change of pace

regardless of who starts does prove to slightly stymie Ds. I’d love to see them both in the backfield at the same time at some point. Carolina did it yesterday with Williams and Stewart.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

anybody else see

Jacobs was giving the offense their “amped up” pep talk before the game. The guy’s a vocal leader and a firebrand and it’s good to see he put the bullshit aside and brought the intensity to win.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

ST were the primary reasons the Panthers were still in the game at halftime.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the only reason

our D won, 31-0

Our O won, 31-8

Our ST won, 31-10

Final score, 31-18

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 for all of the above

Needless to say, a guy like me would have liked to have seen Rosenfels get some garbage time snaps, however yesterday it was not meant to be.

by Big Blue Jew on Sep 13, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Mediocre performance by Giants

gets a W against a mediocre team. That is what winners do.

Gotta find a way to run the ball. WRs will recall how to catch the ball – no worries. LBs got no notoriety because they played pretty well. D was strong. Take away tipped passes and all of a sudden this is less of a competitive game.

Eli was a stud. So was Ham. Rolle was all over the place.
Dodge? No comment. Boss? Hope he comes back soon. Barden? Jury remains out.

by MSP Giant on Sep 13, 2010 7:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Time to ......

(blank) or get off the pot for Barden.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barden dosen't even look ike he want to be on the field when he is.

His play is similar to Beckum’s. just lousy so far.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i have to say

i agree. He looks intimidated in a way. Even though he’s only had few chances..in those, he has underperformed

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

he did the same thing in preseason. He had a ball deflect off his hands. He seems to by shying away from contact.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

ed's analysis....

ed….good write up. i was curious myself as to how quinn still has a job. can you shed any light onto this at some point? who is this guy? and can the gmen please get the kickoff & punt units to at least play respectable? all four phases right now are basically atrocious…

by vman0626 on Sep 13, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Quinn

We discussed it a lot in the offseason, and I have talked to some of the beat writers about it. I really have no idea why Quinn was kept on, other than to say he must have Coughlin’s support. Which I find unbelievable, considering that the same problems have existed the entire time Quinn has been ST coach. He hasn’t solved them in three years, what makes anyone think he is going to magically solve them now?

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, stupid comment by the announcers

to the effect of “ST were bad, they’ll have to ‘tweak’ that during halftime”
I’m thinking dude, what are they gonna fix at halftime they haven’t been able to fix for 3 years…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good question.

ST had no effect on the field whatsoever. I wonder if Quinn has any say so as to the personnel he has to work with.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the addition of Reynaud

Showed a marginal improvment in the return game.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quinn's gotta go

We will lose games because of how bad ST are. If I remember the stat in the first half the Giants avg start position was the 27 and the panthers was the 40 something yd line. That’s putting a lot of pressure on the D.
Ed you are so right…we have had the same problems for 3 years.
If you watch Reynaud, he routinely made the 1st and 2nd guy miss only to have NOWHERE to go! That’s the whole point in the return game. If you make the 1st 2 miss, you should have a nice lane to hit.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now, the Special Teams were a total 'Cluster (insert f-bomb here)'

Dodge stinks plain and simple, Tynes is doing better kicking off deeper, but nobody can tackle or block on returns..I thought Reynaud did all he could to keep them out of trouble…poor guy is probably wondering where the hell the other 10 guys are…And what the hell was Ware doing on that kick??..I have said y’all have said it…that Quinn is a horrible ST coach..He needs to get out from underneath TCs desk and put a competent unit out there.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Dodge is showing

signs of pressure. It is too early to abandon him. We haven’t abandoned Barden yet. Bringing in a FA punter would destroy him and I believe he will be very good. Now, that being said, he is obviously not being ‘coached’ well, and that goes to Quinn and TC.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

why?

what makes you think Dodge will be very good? He might but so far he hasn’t shown any signs of being very good. I mean the freaking kid can’t even get the ball in the air. In 40 years of watching football I’ve never seen a NFL punter consistently this bad.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with you Frank...

But lets see it happen at least TWO games in a row before we call it consistent…

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen signs

he had some great punts in preseason and was improving by the fourth game. He’s a kid who was rated the 2nd best punter in the nation. That’s 2 out of 113. He has skills, he needs to calm down and use them. The pressure must have been intense, and even his shanks went 41 yards. The Skins punter last night had a punt that went about 27 yards.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

free kick

He had a nice free kick after the safety. In his defense, the block was not his fault although he needs to improve on reducing the time it takes for him to receive the ball and kick it.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

See I think the block partially happened

because he slowed down. The first two punts he rushed and got rid of as quickly as he could. That was the nerves. Then on the block I thought it looked like he was actually going through his mechanics and taking his time. Probably exactly what he was told by his coach. Unfortunately it was the worst time to do it. Hopefully it doesn’t crush his confidence.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHY DOES DODGE SUCK?

didn’t he punt during live college games? And if he was rated so high, he must’ve been able to kick it back then (45.8 avg). So why in the world is he having so much trouble doing what he’s been doing for such a long time? I’ve heard rumors that they’re trying to teach him how to be more “directional”. So did they tear apart his entire mechanic’s and start from the beginning? Why would you draft a punter only to tell him everything he’s ever done is wrong?

Maybe it’s time to let the kid just do what he used to do and kick the freekin ball. I would be MUCH more happy if he could get a 40yarder with 3.5 secs of hang time in the middle of the field than a 27yd line drive to the sideline. It’s like teaching Steven Strasburg a new way to throw his fastball. Or teaching Tiger an new way to swing the club (or find a date). If ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reynaud...

could be the best return guy in the league – but we’re never gonna find out with these schemes…definitely did a good job with what was out there but with all the help he’s getting from ST the guy might as well try and run the ball back without any blockers as at least then there’s less people to get in his way!

by Jonah19 on Sep 13, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobbi's post reminded me of somethign

too many times there was poor tackling, and not just on ST. Guys need to go to clinic on how to wrap a guy up.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, the defense was much approved

The most encouraging thing I saw yesterday was the pre-snap communication on the defensive side of the ball. I’m not sure if it was Rolle I saw come down to guide LBs/DBs into position but it was someone and it made a noticeable difference. We asked for a leader to “step up and make big plays” and we saw leadership and it produced a win.

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Fewell

is all about anyone can make a call. It is the team management approach that makes business so successful. I will make this BOLD prediction, this defense will get better and better and become feared again. Keep in mind, many of our players are still shaking off the rust.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I kind of got the feeling that the defense kinda held back in the first half.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

…for reasons that should be obvious.

Building on that thought, last year we had a busted scheme which the players did not believe in, plus a few major personnel issues as well. The result was that, regardless of how talented of a signal caller AP (the so-called “quarterback of our defense”) was, he had real difficulties managing all of the chaos and holding the defense together as a cohesive unit.

Now, it seems like both the scheme and the personnel issues have been largely solved, and we have a new signal caller who is a bit of a brainiac. All together, there seemed to be a lot better communication and cohesion on the defensive side of the ball yesterday, which is very encouraging moving forward.

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like you just said...

I’m encouraged…and it feels good…

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think at least on one occasion...

that it was KP up there barking out orders on the line which was good to see…he looks back and in a big way…

by Jonah19 on Sep 13, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was Phillips

who came down and got the LBs in postion, possibly changed the play based on something he saw.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Philips

also did it on one play. He ran to the linebacker and pointed to the RB in the backfield. When the RB broke into the pass pattern the LB followed.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I fucking

love Kenny Phillips

Sorry about the F bomb. KP is quickly emerging as my favorite Giants player.

Another note on KP. Is there a more fundamentally sound defensive player on the Giants? He’s probably the Giants most sure tackler.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

The guy just has “IT” Makes plays.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kenny is my new #1 too

close seconds are Smith and TT

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

More to like than not yesterday (in all the NFC East games) ...

Gotta love the Giants Secondary – mission accomplished.

DL finally playing up to its potential.

ST … where to start. Would not be surprised at all if that coach is gone by mid-week. Dodge must be ona very, very short leash. Who are the vet punters on the street ?

OL – spotty, but the Eagles and Boys were far worse (was that a perfect opening weekend in the Beast or what ?).

Oh, and for those of us scoring at home, is it 0-1 for the “Kolb Era” or for the “Dog Killer Comback” … just need a little help on that one.

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Vick looked like the Vick of old though. I think Kolb gets one more game to prove he’s ready to be a starting QB. If they lose again and the Giants win I can most definitely see them switching to Vick fulltime.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Sep 13, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope,

Vick plays next week and my not give it back.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

In all honesty

the Pack wasn’t prepared for Vick and it showed. Still, I’ve always thought highly of Vick as a player. He’s a better fit than Kolb.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. The announcers were raving about Vick's completion % ...

but a whole lot of them were low, behind the receiver, or sailing a bit … y’know, like McNabb. Or the “Vick of old”. He is real scary when he starts to run, though.

Of course, only in PHI would Kolb already be on watch …

And did you see Bradley the MLB looking like a punch drunk fighter before the half and they actually sent in back in for some plays before shutting him down for a concussion at halftime ?? Amazingly stupid coaching.

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your right Shof, Bradley should have been yanked..

…and is it just me or is Andy Reid looking more and more like ‘Captain Kangaroo’??

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha!!

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the baffled bewilderment of Captain Cupcake ...

down in DAL is always priceless …

Yep, the NFL is back boys !

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep that is Priceless...He is all pissed about that Romo shuttle pass with 4 ticks left in the half..

But the Cupcake calls timeout costs himself 6 points?…duh

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the Boys mis-managed the clock in the 4th Q, too ...

Michaels even noted it. When you have 3 seconds left on the clock in the game and 1 time-out left, it means you only have one play left. If they’d used the time out earlier, they would have had up to 43 seconds left, which could be 5-7 plays with spikes, out of bounds, and incompletions. Horrible coaching in Big D.

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep..that was stupid...and on that called back would be winning pass to Williams...

If #71 didn’t hold that guy Romo would be on injured reserve today..I forget who it was but he had pure hot steam coming out of his nostrils…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vick could be a serious problem in the future.

Give him time to get back in his routine. He showed that he can still run and he still has the speed. Don’t under estimate.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm no liar, I was scared of Vick last night.

If he was in for four quarters they would have won.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

If green Bay game planeed for him

it would of been different, but I agree, Vick still has wheels, hard to catch him

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read that argument over at BGN

But you can’t argue that he didn’t look as fast as he did in his heydey, and since no one could game plan for him then, I don’t see why it would be any different now.

Hopefully the Eagles are stubborn and stick with Kolb, if they do, the best chance they have of winning will be on the bench IMO.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, you need a whole different gameplan to defense Vick..He can't throw worth a darn

But he can run away from anything except the law…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

dog killer comeback?

cmon guy.. be a little more realistic with what your saying.. vick has put his time in for doing what millions of pll do – and has had a much higher punishment than the avg man in that business.

We say athletes shouldnt get better treatment and should get penalized the same as civilians do..but is it fair to keep bashing him for something he got a worse punishment for than any of us would have?

Vick isnt staring next week..but rest assured.. he’s gonna get a lot of playing time. He was in last game very early. Before any injury to kolb.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say millions

that’s a bit of a stretch. He did his time, but it doesn’t change what he did.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a break on the sympathy for Vick crap, OK? Go cheer him on if you please, but don’t lecture someone for taking a shot at him.

by BigBlue4Life on Sep 13, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

sympathy for the devil, I say. I’ll never let go of that…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but one has nothing to do with the other.

We are talking football. Whatever he did in his personal life, let it stay there. Anytime a conversation comes up about Vick and football, someone brings up the dog fighting thing. Give it a break.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

F Vick

sack his ass and mock dog piss on him.

This guy is a piece of sh*t, if millions of people are drowning live healthy dogs in their bathtub, hanging them from trees and, electricuting then F’ all those million people too.

The only reason I can tolerate the NFL for letting him play again is my hope that someday he won’t be looking and dude will be dropped hard enough that He’ll feel the pain HE inflicted on all of those dogs, and hopefully suffer the same fate. It’s not often that I wish bad upon anyone but I do make exceptions, and this guy is the exception. F him, somebody needs to break this man in half

by Flynner on Sep 13, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Ring Ring*

“Mr. Tuck, your mission, should you chose to accept…”

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

personally

I’m hoping for Bernard to comes unblocked or Linval… Somebody big enough to really mess him up when they drive his ass into the ground

by Flynner on Sep 13, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vick

Are there any dog lovers on the Giants?

by dunk244 on Sep 13, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I felt really bad for Dodge. First game as a pro and the crowd basically rips him to shreds.

But, IMO big Kudos to the Giants fans. How many other team’s fans would be chanting for their ex-punter? How many teams fans would even know their ex punter or care enough? The whole friggen stadium was in unison chanting “We want Fea-gles!!, We want Fea-gles!!!” Then the sarcastic cheer when he managed to hit the saftety kick well?

Awesome.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Sep 13, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He has one more game

if he doesn’t improve drastically I can’t see the Giants not bringing other punters in for a try out. They did it last season with Tynes and he wasn’t this bad.

I expect Dodge will be IR-ed with some BS groin pull then be brought back next season.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos and Wet willies

Well, Ed must be getting smart because he said everything I planned to say. Yeah. Really, same words mostly. But I still want to rant and rave a bit.
 
Kudos

Eli – double secret kudo for his performance and for not breaking down crying when his WR and AB dropped and tipped balls to Carolina. Only thing, get down on the QB sneak or your head will get another ping. Otherwise, could not ask for more from him.

Entire D including Fewell, Kudos. Great play, Goff still needs to learn but he had some good plays, will get better. DL and DBs, awesome. TT had some great plays as did others. And Fewell, good to recall that there is a defensive scheme that works Mr. Sheridan. I loved the random blitzing and different looks. Ed covered it all above, encouraging performance, kept us in the game.

Reynaud – now this was not a great performance but compared to what we’ve been experiencing, a relief half kudo for at least running things back. I think he will help us a few times.

Wet Willies

Double secret WW for Quinn. Fire him today, he is the ST leader and the team stinks. Opposite of D, kept screwing up the game. Ed again said it all. If they wait until the end of season it will cost us a few games. Not fair to the other players.

Travis Beckum – WW, I have been on his case and he proved he cannot be of use. We need to bring in Beatty to play TE because Beckum cannot block? Are you kidding? As I said yesterday, he did the most bench presses in the combine of any TE. He is strong enough don’t know why he cannot block, don’t care. Exactly like ED, if Bear is not active next week, TC/JR have lost their minds.

Barden – WW. I have been supporter of RB but he is looking like not going to make it. He had dropsies in preseason and today. Not much rope left, better make the best of it. Like Ed, I would put him on inactive next week and bring in Cruz, give the other guy a chance.

Dodge – WW, not much rope left here. Great leg but so what. You’ve been a punter a long time, if you have not learned how by now, when? Get outta Dodge will be the cry soon.

Kwillies

WRs – some great catches and YACs. Really. But are you kidding with all the drops? This HAS to stop now, the running game will not carry us.

DJ Ware – so he recovered a fumble but it was a gimme. He fumbled a ball on KR, please tell me again why we keep this guy? TC/JR/TQ mistake, please trade him and get someone useful.

AB – His running was very good when he had blocking, obviously better than last year. Brings back a good dimension to the O, he was cutting and creating, exciting. But his fumbles always concern me. Did not hurt yesterday but it will. Please learn how to carry the ball higher so you can hold on. And the pass drop? BJ caught some, why can’t you? Taking lessons from Hedgehog? Now I know I will get torched for saying this but it is true.

Overall a win but if we play against a real solid team this way, we will be roasted.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 13, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice Rant...

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to believe that Barden will get more chances...

…and TC won’t resort to yanking him in favor of Cruz this early. Cruz had a great preseason and surprised us all in proving that he deserves to be on the 53-man roster, no doubt, but TC typically manages his ball club in a way that rewards experience once one has sufficiently paid his dues. Barring injuries to other wide receivers, I don’t see Cruz or Calhoun being active any time soon. we are, after all, talking about one throw. Barden is higher up in the pecking order now and has earned his chance to play, and hopefully he won’t disappoint.

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like RB

But he has to produce. Size, some talent but has yet to make one astounding catch in regular play. We have so much talent overall, he may just slip away. I am disappointed thus far, maybe expecting too much, replacement for Plax. RB does not have the same speed but the physical is there. Hope I am wrong and he makes it. But I do want to see what Cruz can do too, I want it all.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 13, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

Barden has a year of learning the system. Cruz and Calhoun not so much

by wangstu13 on Sep 13, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Dodge – WW, not much rope left here. Great leg but so what. You’ve been a punter a long time, if you have not learned how by now, when? Get outta Dodge will be the cry soon.

I just don’t understand how a kid who’s punting punting has brought him into the NFL fails to get the ball airborne. It’s mind-boggling.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

The issue is

The Giants have changed his mechanics.
1. To have him get the ball out quicker.
2. In an effort to have a better idea directionally where the ball is going.

It’s like a golfer going for lessons, then taking his new mechanics to the golf course. It isn’t always pretty.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then he should be on the PS

plain and simple a team can’t go into the season with a punter this bad.

How’s this for direction? Punt the ball straight up and 40 yards down field. I say that somewhat in jest but the kid is hitting line drives. This aint baseball.

Unless he improves drastically the Giants will probably IR him. It won’t be the first time a team IRed an uninjured player.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't take Golf lessons from those guys...

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is nothing better than a Giants win...

An Eagle loss..Vick looked good, Kolb looked awful
The pitiful Skins beating the girls, who basically gave them a gift with 4 seconds left in the 1st half…one of the dumbest plays I ever saw…Love it…what a day!!

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Had to laugh

When Phillips called a timeout that would have been a Barber TD.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...yeah that was another dumbhead move..

Phillips took away his 6 points hahaha

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the look on his face

All I could imagine was the Kissing Suzy Kolber pieces that have Jones going off on him in his office. A Giants win and Eagles and Cowboy loss. Only Week 1, but a nice start to the season.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pisarcek/Czonka and Edwards

Long time reader, first time poster.

That play reminded me of the Joe Pisarcek handoff to Larry Czonka that was fumbled and the Eagles’ Herm Edwards returned it for a touchdown to beat the Giants at the end of the game in a obvious kneel down and win situtation. One of the most embarassing defeats in Giants history and it had to happen against the Eagles of all teams.

I thought that was the worst play I had ever seen, until this one.

by Pinch1 on Sep 13, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I remember that play well Pinch...

A historic bonehead play..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pisarceks Jersey should be retired...

Hang it from a dart board….

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Choice had to be feeling the "All eyes on me" syndrome after that strip fumble.

It cost the Cowgirls and cost them dearly.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

end of half and end of game

bonehead does not describe the cowboys. That holding/choke was made Flozzell say “dude, uncalled for”

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He said that in the press conference

but in his mind he was thinking, ‘now how can I do that and get away with it?’

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, having watched from the 300 level (I will post a thread later with stories of the day + pictures)

I was very impressed by the entire D-Line (Osi, Canty, Tuck, and Cofield specifically pop to mind), the secondary (KP playing and saving two touchdowns made my day, as did Deon Grant getting the first pick, as did TT laying hits and getting a timely pick), Eli (for the most part… despite what most are saying, the third pick was his AND Barden’s fault), and the LB corp (they kept themselves out of trouble for the most part).

What was still aggravating as all hell was the 3rd and long conversions,stupid penalties, Jacobs yapping after what seemed like every play, and the o-line forgetting that run blocking is allegedly their specialty. AB would also get some hate from me, but I want to really believe the first two series were more on the run blocking than the running back.

by brisulph on Sep 13, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm jealous Bri...The stadium is awesome

The one thing i’ll never understand is when they showed a shot of the luxury boxes all people were doing is watching the game on TV…I like, why the hell not just stay home?!?haha.Crap my 60 inch TV is bigger than the ones the wee in there watching..If I go to a game I go to watch and enjoy the atmosphere…I just don’t get that…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luxury Boxes...

those things should just be banned from stadiums as they just end up robbing seats from the real fans…hell when the 49ers and Broncos are over in the UK later this year there’ll be nothing but a load of half-wits in those boxes wondering what the hell sport is even on the pitch and not giving an ‘Intercourse’ (to ref your dictionary for us last week Bobbi – hilarious!) about what’s going on…jeez, it just makes me mad…

by Jonah19 on Sep 13, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sad statement that it is for us regular joe fans

Those boxes bring in a ton of money… more than regular seats would. They have a large swath of outside seats for them as well, but the ones across from me were (at best) 40% full at any time. Most people did indeed seem to be inside watching on TV, and it was even more pronounced once the serious drizzle of rain started in the 3rd quarter.

Proud to say even my wife stayed out till halfway through the 3rd before moving inside, and she returned right att he start of the 4th while it was still raining. She is not a football fan, but she gutted it out nicely in the rain for the most part.

by brisulph on Sep 13, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hate

seeing the Lux Suites. You are basicly sitting in a hotel room watching the game…. on a TV!!!!!! What!!!! Your at the Stadium, watch it live!!!! No point

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

true..except for being inside the roar of the stadium

no surround sound can duplicate that .

But yea, get IN the crowds..watch it live. be a part of the game.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luxury boxes

Those luxury boxes at the stadium all have several rows of outdoor ‘stadium’ seating. So, those who choose can walk outside and sit with the people. I know folks hate the luxury boxes, but they are a fact of life. And you would go use one if you could.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

"And you would go use one if you could."

False.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

have to agree with Ed here

not sure about the Giants suites but most have private bathroom. There’s no trips to the concession stand. Food and beverages are readily available without missing any action.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine.

Agree with Ed.

Just don’t try and tell me I’d have more fun watching the New York Football Giants in what’s basically a living room inside the stadium, than participating in the crowd noise, screaming “DEEEEFENSEEEEEEEE” at the top of my lungs getting fired up high-fiving complete strangers with one common goal, patronizing those who dare to wear an opposing uniform, all the while risking spillage of my $8.50 beer.

Because I wouldn’t.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

amen

I’d like to go SEE the lux box, but I’m with you, tito

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree and disagree

Don’t get me wrong. I’d rather watch the game at home than at the stadium.

 But as Ed stated most boxes have ‘outdoor’ seating so you’re still getting the at game experience.

Also I wasn’t telling you which you would prefer. I was offering my opinion on which I would prefer.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heard.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

it would be cool to sit in them for a MLS game or UFL. But if I am watching a Giant game, I want to be with the crowd, screaming, slapping hands. It looks nice but not for watching this

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn right the bathroom and food is nice...but my butt is outside watching the game..

The bathroom deal is nice…I never again have to worry about having to kick a guy in the nuts for trying to choke me after telling him to stop skipping line, then watch him piss himself…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA!

True story!?

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep true story..It was a Jet fan..

The guys in line cheered and laughed…then the security threw him out wet pants and all..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy must have really been 'pissed'..lol

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh that gets a Zing.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait until the playoffs.

Then they will be full. Thats when the NYG are going to make the real killng.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

PSL sales always dip in a down economy

Corporate discretionary spending on little perks like luxury boxes tends to get scaled back during recessions. When they announced plans to build the new Meadowlands, I don’t believe anyone would have forecasted that the economy would be struggling as mightily as it is now and that they would have problems selling those boxes.

But you are correct, winning should do a lot to help fill those seats.

by Big Blue Jew on Sep 13, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't think of the money implications...

but it still sucks!

Fair play to the wife gutting it out even if she’s not a fan…and what a day you managed to pick to go watch…can you say jealous much!?

by Jonah19 on Sep 13, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

good woman!

my main concern is those rich fairies don’t make enough noise to be an effective “12th man”

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 13, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hahaha!

I am glad to see the BBV Thesaurus being put to good use, Jonah..lol

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, thought it was appropriate today...

everyone (nearly) is in a good mood so time to have a bit of fun with things!

by Jonah19 on Sep 13, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's your take on the Stadium?

It looks pretty from the TV. It’ll probably be a long time before I get to see it in person.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look for a post thursday

when I get back home from my vacation. Just not enough time to craft one up at the moment.

by brisulph on Sep 13, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, the first new stadium I'll see is Jerry's palace...

The wife and I are going to fly over to Dallas next month to see the Giants/Cowgirl game.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wet Willies to the posters at Cat Scratch Reader

I really dislike when i go to another fan page after we legitimately beat them and they blame everything but the fact that they ran into a better team. I skimmed through most of there posts yesterday on there wrap up thread, and didn’t come across one post that said the Giants played a helluva game yesterday, hats off. Instead, they blamed there teams shortcomings(which is fine), had the nerve to blame the refs(um we had 2 more penalties for 32 more yards – but you’re right, the league wanted NY to look good in there stadium debut….wtf?) and of all things, the field itself. I thought maybe this was the ramblings of angry posters, but one of there staff writers, James the Aussie, even included it in his optomist/pessimist story today:

The Field Itself- Extremely Pessimistic: Granted, much of the Panthers’ failings were their own in the 2nd half, but Carolina needs to make a formal complaint to the league about the playing surface at the new Meadowlands. Did you see all those black spheres stuck to our players? Those were rubber pellets that floated out of the AstroTurf when the field became waterlogged. The second half was atrocious in part to a substandard field.

Are you kidding me? The Giants must of had to play on an entirely different, heavenly surface during that game. Way to blame everything other than your team just running up against a juggernaut, named the New York Football Giants.

Wet Willies to CSR.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 13, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

You got that right...LOL!!

After we got ahead and forced them to pass, he became a rubber blowup doll…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

would it be considered trolling

if i went there and spoke about this to them? or should i just leave it alone?

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 13, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

let them lick their wounds

help keep our rep tops

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed we're not Trolls...Let them Scratch their Cat..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They really felt

that we were slighting them after the exchange piece between Ed and Jaxon. Not a very congenial crowd from what I could tell. But living in the Carolinas, I come across many Panthers fans and watched the game with more than a few yesterday. For the most part they’re great sports with which we generally have a good rapport.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 13, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

how so?

i read the piece, i didn’t think we said anything bad about them. They were upset we made fun of there blog name, but at the same time, they were showing cockiness, since the off season, when they had threads about playing us. And on top of that, they linked to an article earlier during the week from another Panthers blog about the top ten reasons to hate the Giants. Good premise, and if it was funny, and witty in a factual manner, i’d laugh, but after about reason number 6, the author obviously ran out of things to say and just became vicious and redundant.

i’m not going to generalize about all panther fans, and usually CSR is a good read(dead blog, but good info on the team). but the disrespect they showed to our team even after the drubbing is crazy! that said, i still root for there team, mostly because of Fox, but also because i like some of the players, and the organization has done nothing to really piss off the Giants…..yet.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 13, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was what really got me crazy

i didn’t have access to the final numbers when i read through there game posts last night, but i knew in my head that we had got the whistle blown on us alot! and to read there real time comments, i’m like ‘are you kidding me?!’ the refs were throwing flags on us every minute, yet you still want to cry and call foul? maybe we’re watching 2 different games, where in your game the Giants had 1 penalty all day. they must have been watching in bizarro def, instead of high def.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

How can any intelligent person make the “black spheres” comment or buy into it? Were those spheres smashed into Matt Moore’s eyeballs before he threw the picks? Did Osi, Kiwi, Tuck, and Boley use the spheres to form some sort of magic sack carpet that they rode past their pitiful Oline regularly? Oh…maybe Coughlin can get the spheres to form up like Voltron or the Thundercats to help our pitiful defense stop what was obviously the best team to ever compete in any sport whether or not the sport exists in reality or in fantasy land.

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice!

very inventive nywins….

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rubber pellets???...What a pathetic excuse..One would think the pellets would given them a little extra 'bounce'

When our guys don’t play well we all don’t make up excuses for them..BBV is superior in that regard.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i'd say were pretty honest

about our analysis of games, and when a team just whips us. i don’t remember anyone blaming the glare of the dome in N.O. when they killed us last year.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

carolina

Their d-line played the run well, but nobody was impressive. They did nothing to earn a win. No coverage. No pass rush.

by ct17 on Sep 13, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

what do you expect

with a name like Cat Scratch Reader

But we already covered that last week. lol

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get off that topic

Picking on the name of the website is pretty lame, to tell you the truth.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it is lame...

Thank God you named our site Big Blue View versus Scratching Big Blue Balls…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

for your name. i lol’d will lol again

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the botched blocking on the QB sneak was Snee's fault

If you watch the replays, he is trying to block the same guy that McKenzie is blocking and he lets the LB go right by him.

by ggggmen08 on Sep 13, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That was the only thing 'Moose-Mouth' commented on that I agreed with.

Snee didn’t block and Eli didn’t get low and slam into gap..but it was a first down and the Panther’s lost a timeout on the challenge.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wet Willies to...

The crowd yesterday !!come on guys we got to get louder than that on 3rd downs

by nwkiddnj on Sep 13, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

you were there?

It’s hard to gauge from TV but the way I look at it, and said earlier, you charge a zillion bucks to be there and you ain’t gonna have good, loud fans…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more Kwillie

To Fox. Commentary was dull, too much extra chatter, not much insight. Please guys, this is not a lady’s tea party, this is football. Tell us something we don’t know about the game. But I did like the open mikes on the centers, hope that continues.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 13, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Both guys showed little knowledge of details, including why the Calvin Johnson catch was overruled and why Carolina lost the timeout on the sneak challenge.

Very boring during the game as well. Johnston usually does better. Maybe, like many of the Giants, they just need a warmup game.

by ct17 on Sep 13, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Kwillie for the OL.

Hard to make a conclusion yet about what we saw in this game will mean going forward. Maybe if they had played together during the preseason, but since they didn’t, maybe we can chalk up the problems to just needing a little time to gel. Losing Boss so early didn’t help either.

We could also probably chalk up some of the issues to the fact that the Panthers have a pretty darn good run defense. Actually, their pass defense isn’t really as bad as the Eli and the Giants made them look, which is really good news. (It’s always so hard to accept that the Giants have a very dangerous passing game.)

Honestly, I will NOT be shocked if Andrews steps into the lineup any time in the next two weeks. I’ll be expecting it to happen by week 4.

Lastly, I have such very high hopes for Barden, but if the Giants were to dress Cruz and give him a shot, I have this sick feeling that Barden will never get his opportunity back with this team.

by JTMacc on Sep 13, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on Andrews

Should have happened yesterday the last few minutes. Give someone a rest and get him in the lineup. I think that barring injury, he will be a starter before end of season to the betterment of the OL, Eli and the RBs.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 13, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos to the New York Giants

For opening the Stadium the way they should have closed it.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

A W erases all flaws doesn't it?

I’m excited about the W, but come on guys lets keep it in check. There were a lot of things to be excited about and a lot of things to be concerned about. That was some pretty sloppy football that would not have gotten a W against a better team than the Panthers. The upside is the Eagles, Skins, and Boys all looked pretty sloppy too. It’ll be a case of seeing he puts it together better as the season progesses.

Exciting:

Fewell is willing to make adjustments and mix things up. I’m not going to crown him until I see how his defense holds up against a better offense (there are not going to be many QBs in the NFL that make those three boneheaded passes in the endzone that result in easy easy picks), but it was great to see that he did make adjustments, he did bring pressure, and he did do a lot of different alignment things. A drastic change from Sheridan.

Eli is still Eli. Don’t let anyone try to tell you those picks are on him. If the ball hits your hands you catch it or knock it down. There’s no excuse for those volleyball sets.

Manningham apparently learned how to run a route and work open for his QB. I did not see that one coming out of preseason. I’m eating crow on this kid right now and I’m happy about it.

Tuck’s shoulders and Osi’s head appear back in place. Combine that with Coefield’s solid play and Canty actually looking like a worthwhile pickup and I’m excited about the DL.

Phillips is back flying and hitting. He made some bad reads here and there, but once he’s back in the groove it’ll be nasty.

Concerning:

Jerry Reese’s roster decisions. I questioned going into the season with just Boss and Beckum noting Beckum can’t play TE. We saw I was right to question that. The only time JPPs number was called out that I remember was for ebing offsides on a kickoff. I don’t think Linval even played. I saw JPP on a few plays on the line but he was doing his typical fall on the ground routine. The fact that our line played so well without any real contribution from these two has to make you question again if that was the smartest use of our top two picks.

The drops and volleyball sets. Barden I simply don’t think deserves a roster spot. Nicks started off very poorley, but he turned it around. Hopefully he keeps it like the second half.

The OL. The run blocking was very poor. That could have been partially due to having Beckum playing TE, but overall dissapointed with the run blocking. I hope they just need to get back in synch.

The ST play. Bad in every possible aspect. The return game, kick coverage, punting, punt protection, it was all garbage. A better team would exploit that on us.

All in all I’m excited about the W and some of the good things we saw. I’m going to keep my expectations in check until we see how we do against a better team though. Moore is perhaps the worst QB we will face all season and he really made our defeense look good for us.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Be more of half full

and view the issues on OL as rust and not cohesion. Agree with the TE situation and have to believe that will be addressed today with the Bear.

Quinn needs to go. Much like Sheridan, realize a bad scheme and move and cut your losses.

JPP will come alive. Preseason speed is a lot slower than regular season.

Linval was inactive.

Only team I noted this weekend around the NFL that looked sharp was, hate myself for saying this, was the Patriots.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a glass with 50% liquid right now

I’m trying to not go either way yet. I said coming into the season I felt we could be anywhere from a 6-10 team to a 10-6 team, and I saw a little bit of both yesterday. If we can build on the good, correct some of the bad, and do it against a more quality team in the Colts next week I’ll be able to start edging to the side of the fence I’d prefer to be on.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard that.

But a win against the Colts means there might not be room for you on the bandwagon…

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I root hard for the Giants either way

You don’t have to worry about me there, I stay on the train even when it is going through the bad stretches. Also, a loss to the Colt’s doesn’t crush all hope just like a win against the panthers doesn’t bestow all hope. I don’t think we are going undefeated so we will have to take some lumps, the question will be how do we play throughout the game.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colts

did not look so good yesterday in the trenches.
I see some opportunities to cause Manning 1 and company real issues.
We have a better secondary than Houston and our pass rush is better across the board.
Running against the Gmen does not appear to be concern with Indy.
Don’t make Manning 1 beat us. Run nickel packages all day maybe even dime and put out Grant(db/ss), TT, Webster, Phillips, Rolle and Ross may be back and Manning will be checking down a lot.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what worries me

I’ve seen it so many times. Team A (Colts) gives up a boat load of rushing yardage. During the week into their next game they work on their run defense.

Team B (Giants) after watching game film figure they can run all day on Team A. Their entire game plan is run, run and more run.

Giants need to stay with a balanced attack.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

if we beat big brother next weekend...

…the Colts will find themselves 0-2 to start to season for the first time since Peyton was a rookie in 1998. Indeed, this would be a strange position for a team accustomed during the last decade to ripping off 10+ consecutive wins to start the season.

I know the Texans’ running game gashed the Colts yesterday, exposed the soft underbelly of that defense and perhaps provided other teams with a blueprint on how to dissect Indy, but something tells me these guys are going to come out with a lot of fire at home next week in prime time. If the Colts lose, it may prompt some premature, “Is this the beginning of the end for Peyton?” talk among the sports writers.

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without a doubt.

I really do hope we slap the shit out of the Colts, a big road win agianst the AFC Champs and a 2-0 start would really give this team some momemtum early in the season that our division rivals appear to be failing to capture.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's doable

the COlts will be on fire, yes, but I think it could be a good matchup for us… need to run well, eat the clock, dominate ToP, and finally, rely heavily on the front 4 to eat up the run game so we can have 6 DBs in action a lot of the time.

The Panthers have a good run game and now we know we can compete against a good run. Now we’ll have the real test of Fewell’s secondary…

oh, yeah, and the Offense really needs to bring it!

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yerp

we need to treat the colts..along with the saints.. like the gameplan we had against the patriots. Dominate the trenches..and keep the t.o.p in our favor and out of peytons.. while still being aggressive in our offensive scheme.

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by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like it BigBlue777...

I hated the first half and was starting to get worried…but they showed up in the second half. The explanations given for the difference in performance were all logical.

The Colts will be tough seeing as Payton probably didn’t enjoy what happened to him yesterday. I do see a huge opportunity for the Giants (as everyone should have seen)…We need to break off 250+ yrds rushing like Foster did. We need to jump out and get a lead so we can keep Payton off the field…

Oh…Jets are screwed!! HAHAHA!!

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by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on most points

But JPP was out there in pass rushing situations. He didnt get a sack, but it was his first game. I think we all knew it was more for the future than for this year.

You were dead on about the TE situation. I still want Beckum on the roster, but Pascoe needs to be the third TE. We need someone who can step in the offense doesnt have to be changed just cause Boss goes out.

Also agree on the run blocking. If they dont exploit the Colts run defense next week, it will be time to get Andrews in the starting line up. I would like to see the move mad for next week, but i know that wont happen.

Here is why I am glass half full. I dont see the Giants dropping 6 passes a game, and i dont see 50% off the drops going for ints. I think there was more positive than negative.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

I still want Beckum on the roster

What has Beckum done that you want him on the roster? I’m not suggestion we cut the guy. He deserves more time but coming into the season with him as the #2 TE was a huge mistake.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we dont cut the guy

What do you do with him? He is on the roster like i said. He wouldnt last 5 seconds on the pratice squad. I want him, Pascoe, and Boss active.

Beckum has the tools to be a weapon in the passing game. Too fast for LB’s and too big for safeties type skill. Using him as the primary TE and having him block DE’s isnt what he was drafted to do.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beckum wasn't even seperating from the LBers

If that’s what he’s here for he isn’t getting that done either. It doesn’t bother me if he can’t go to the practice squad, I don’t see a future for him iin NY. I say cut him or trade him if he has any value to another organization and get soem real TEs in here.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He made a few mistakes early but, like the rest of the team, he was solid in the second half

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by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't

even understand why they drafted the guy, but if he is your backup TE and can’t even block, what good is he on this team? They were forced to use Beatty, he gets a foot injury, and was in a walking boot after the game. Better find another TE that can block,
or move up Pascoe from the practice aquad. I don’t want to hear how he can be a weapon in the passing game, in this offense, the TE is about the 4th option.

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Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.

by Great Gatsby on Sep 13, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw JPP on the pass rush situations

but he was getting manhandled. Hopefully he learns, but he is just so raw it is hard to tell if he will pan out or not. It didn’t seem like he got game time until they were “comfortable” in their lead.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

WHen did you see him get manhandled?

I saw him get in the backfield and make a what would have been a good adjustment on the screen that TT tipped in the backfield, other than that I don’t recall him doing any worse than the other starting linemen, not bad for a rook.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was having his usual problem

of ending up on the ground a lot. I was trying to look out for when he got in the game and when I saw him in he was on the ground the majority of the time at the end of the play. We’ll see how he progresses, but right now he simply acks the basic fundamentals.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's also in on ST

personally, I’d like to see him backflip down the field, that’d be hilarious, ending with a backflip onto the KR

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta admit one thing

it was kinda funny. He was at least 1 1/2 yards off sides.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

I laughed my arse off.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm just having a hard time remembering him on his ass...

I’ll have to watch the replay to get a better gauge on this topic.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I had a DVR

to see if there were some good plays in there I missed. I have to go by what I saw live. Whenever I saw him I tried to focus on him to see if he was getting it yet or not.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta get one.

during the game I watch dozens of plays numerous times.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most deff.

Especially since I love watching live at the bar, you always miss something. Direct TV always takes care of me when I get home though, offers an overlap for the next program, nevermiss a fourth quarter.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

another reason

I prefer watching at home.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think this one will be on NFL Replay either..

Kind of a snoozer in the second half.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with tito...

He was blowing up into the backfield and caused the TT tipped ball to happen. He also had a couple tackles…I believe. Yeah…he was offside on the kickoff but I like what I saw.

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

i hate to disagree. I dont think it’s a good idea to start parting with early round picks if they dont contribute after 1 year, which is exactly what is happening with Beckum.
Manningham was a 3rd rd pick, and didnt contribute his first year but had a solid second year to say the least. Let’s give Beckum more than 1 game in his second season.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to hate Beckum

I just don’t see him as a fit for us. Manningham was a potential good fit from the get go. He was rough and had soem injury issues the first year, but he at least seemed to make sense when we drafted him. The Beckum pick never made sense. Even he performs at the best of what he is, I’m not sure that is what is right for this team. If he can’t play traditional TE (which I think we agree is the choice) I’d rather put a WR out there when we need the extra hands,

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm trying not to hate him

and I agree with you on him not making sense. We have always been a run team first, pass second. Not sure where this kid fits in.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will concede he doesnt seem like a fit for us

And I will admit I didnt really like the pick when it happened. Not that I dont like Beckum, but as you stated it doesnt seem to fit what we do. I was hopeful that KG would be able to design plays to take advantage of his skill set. And I’m still hoping. He is a bigger target that can work the middle of the field.

You might be right, I just hate to give up on a 3rd rd pick so soon.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd always heard ...

he was geared for an H-back slot, but we really don’t do that, so I guess I’m missing the whole point of the pick.

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were just trying to

get Eli as many weapons as possible in the post plax/toomer era. They dont all pan out, but i dont think he has earned “sinorice” status yet.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos on : Blitz pick up

This really goes out to the whole offensive unit. The panthers brought various rushers from the outside and inside. Jacobs had a great block that set up a nice long pass to Mario Maningham. The oline cleaned up everyone wich gave Eli what seemed to be all day

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 13, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Only one sack

on a blitz mind you that included the kitchen sink I think.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw

was definately better on the blitz p/u. I saw him submarine a couple of blitzing LB’s.
Jacobs not so much, he also completely missed one blitz pickup, ran right by the guy.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say that I'm really impressed with Kenny Phillips

The kid went out there and played his heart out. He was a little tentative on a ball over the middle that he could have intercepted had he reacted sooner but overall the KP was laying wood and made two plays that saved two TD’s.

Bravo!!!!!!!!!

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by Major on Sep 13, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually

had he reacted on the receiver instead of waiting on the ball to come into his belly, he separates Steve Smith from the ball and sends a second message. Don’t come into my yard with that humpty dumpty s&*t!

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

This is the highest I’ve been on this team in a while. I forgot what it was like to see the Giants win and feel like we earned it. Did you guys see that defense?! Watching Canty and Osi play was a thing of beauty. That defense floored me, and while it may be a bit savage to say, I loved watching them literally beat on a quarterback so bad that he had to leave the game.

That’s Giant Defense. That’s the attitude we were missing all year. All newspapers today should run the picture of Matt Moore with enough turf on him to make it look like he was wearing fatigues and the headline below: “THE NEW YORK GIANTS DEFENSE IS BACK”

Great game, and anyone who votes lower than 80 on the fan confidence poll needs to stop being cynical. The O-Line wasn’t great, but we’ve still got Beatty and Andrews waiting in the wings to take over should players fail to produce. How awesome is it that we have quality back ups in our ranks?

I must say though, the Kevin Boss hit infuriates me. Yet again someone dives into Boss helmet first, and no flag is thrown. I really hope the league does something for that guy in the future or else he’s going to have severe medical problems down the line.

by RolloT on Sep 13, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the Boss hit was a late hit

He had missed the ball and was going down. I was not sure that the helmet him but regardless, thought it was a late and certainly unnecessary hit. Cheap shot.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 13, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely late

There was no reason for any contact there, should have been a penalty. Very late hit by a player with full body control. Hopefully it is at least a fine.

I seem to recall this offseason that protecting defenseless receivers was supposed to be more of a priority this year. That was your textbook example.

by ct17 on Sep 13, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

they were calling the hit on defenseless receiver all preseason and this was pretty much the same thing. Just because he’s a big TE and not a skinny WR doesn’t mean he still wasn’t defenseless. I don’t think it was a cheap shot, he lead more with the shoulder than the head but it still should have been a penalty

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that was cheap..I hope they fine that bum

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by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

The Giants never get those calls!!

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)

by nywins42 on Sep 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was shoulder...

and it was waaay late… the ball was gone, the play was over. Cheap BS…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Loved the Defense

O played a good 2nd half but the defense was good ALL DAY. I’ve said it before but last year we woulda been down by 4 TDS considering we kept giving them a short field with the TOs (which BTW are not even close to Eli’s fault. NONE OF THEM). But that shows we still have a long way to go and a lot of work to do. And it was good to see (in player transcripts) that all the guys were thinking the same thing.

Love starting the season with a win
Love opening the new stadium with a win
Love the Eli/Peyton SNF commercial where Eli locks Peyton in the closet

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

great game

Secondary played great in the new system. Love the way Thomas attacks the ballcarrier the way that Collins used to. Dline also played well. The linebackers did not have to do much, good warmup game for them.

My only problem was the sloppiness. I’ll chalk that up to first-game rustiness. Hopefully Coughlin has them running laps right now.

by ct17 on Sep 13, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Gilbride

Can’t agree with your kudo for this guy, without some magical escapes by Bradshaw we wouldn’t have had a 100yds rushing for the game, need a punter but still a great win. When you turn the ball over 4xs and win that’s amazing. I can’t remember a game with 9 turnovers in it. Can you? Where is Bear Pascoe when you need him, Beckem needs to be cut as the is no one on the team I would want to cut to bring Bear back, unless Boss has to be placed on IR.

by 7mike on Sep 13, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Not bad for the last preseason game

Dropped balls, showing us the real Fewell defense. Punter’s jitters. Yeah okay. Shutting down the run is a priority again. Beating the team that embarrassed us when we were on strike against Sheridan. Some good things. I am actually fine with Beatty as tight end, let’s throw him the ball. Never threw it much to Boss anyway. Except when he was about to get hammered. Do we really think Bear is better than Beatty ? Barden doesn’t go across the middle. He’s from a small school, they only had little guys. And he was always on the fly when they hit him, not crossing into NFL linebackers. But Manningham’s first season on the field he only was thrown the ball to take a hit, not to catch it. So Ramses, you don’t get fade routes this year. You are there to take hits and drop the ball. But it is all part of the long term plan.
Those free agenst we hired? Hey get the money the first year and heal up. We did that with Ottis. And when we needed him he performed. Bring us something down the road. Like now.
Special teams weakness. It’s as much a Giants tradition as an aggressive defense. Why not put some starters out there and actually give Quinn something to play with? I guess I have heard of Chase Blackburn before, but if you told me we cut him two years ago I wouldn’t have argued with you. Why not show ST is important?
And Lawrence Tynes? Hey I saw touchbacks. If you hate on the guy, you can’t just ignore him later.
We can actually beat the elite. Not saying we will, but we can.
Let the real season begin next week. And let’s not peak too early. It’s a looooooong season.

by Spider Lockhart on Sep 13, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

disagree somewhat, re: ST weakness as a Giants tradition

What seems to be a tradition is the lack of consistency in ST. For every Meggett, Reyna Thompson, Landeta and Tyree, we have a Junkin, Ponder or a Dodge. Hell, we are only two years removed from having both our punter and placekicker at the Pro Bowl, only to watch the kicking game regress spectacularly during the following season.

Make no mistake, though, we have had our fair share of ST winners over the years…and losers as well.

by Big Blue Jew on Sep 13, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will take your point

Our tradition is more terrible coverage than ST as a whole

by Spider Lockhart on Sep 13, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

with the exception of a few years our kick coverage has always been average at best.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

still can't see how Barden gets a "willie" on that play

Did Boss get a Willie when he went up for an pass that was clearly too high? Boss got a hand on that ball too?

the fact is it was a bad pass.

Eli was upset about it for a reason, and he should be. I’m not sure why Ed wrote that Barden didn’t jump either. It looked like he gave it his all….Eli gotta hit him w/ that pass.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

That was some high heat he threw. The other 2 ints were on Nicks and Bradshaw. Nicks def redeemed himself.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still believe

that is a catch an NFL receiver has to make. Was it perfectly thrown? No. and of course Eli is not going to take blame and not throw Barden under the bus. Plain and simple the guy did not make a good effort on the ball, and it cost the Giants a turnover. If Barden wants playing time he has to make those catches.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 13, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see it that way....

I actually thought he made a great effort on the ball….a 6’6" man stopped on a dime, got great separation from his defender, and came back to the ball like he was supposed to. I thought it was text book actually.

Oh well….to each his own.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It definitely COULD have been caught

And a catch Plax or Toomer probably make. But, IMO it was more on Eli than Barden. But to each his own, Eli still had an excellent day and we still won.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...Eli was zipping a few a little high but they were not overthrown..If like I said hits you in your hands you have to catch the ball

It wasn’t a perfect throw but was catchable..RB was not the only one who missed catches and in his defense he was only thrown to once…If they throw more to him I’m sure we would potentially be praising him.

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by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

at the end of the day....which was the worse INT?

NIcks?

Bradshaw?
 
or Barden?

as Ed pointed out Eli will never put the blame on anyone else….so let me ask you, why was he most upset about “the last one”?

b/c it was HIS fault.

Boss had a ball his his hands….if the requirement for catching a ball is “hitting your hands”….than he shoulda held onto that pass over the middle….plain and simple.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Eli was most upset b/c

he was trying to run out the clock at the end of the game and if this INT turned into a comeback win by the Panthers, it would have been the worse way it coulda happened. Not to mention, the game was practically over and now he’s got a 3rd INT of a TIPPED pass.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Throw on top of that...

Eli was trying to let Ramses show what he’s capable of and the kid goes and drops yet another opportunity. I think there was a lot more too it than just a bad pass by Eli. That MUST be caught by Ramses.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

so Eli was most upset b/c the Giants were winning and just trying to run out the clock?

I don’t believe that.

it’s b/c it was a poorly thrown ball.

if it was the “timing” of the pick it makes no sense…..an INT when you are winning and trying to run out the clock is not NEARLY as key as an INT on the your first offensive drive. or an INT when you are not winning by 2 TDs.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

We can agree to disagree then b/c

I think a INT when there wasn’t even a need to throw the ball, is more frustrating. Was it a perfect pass? No. Was it catchable? ABSOLUTELY. And let’s not forget that Eli did have to get it up over Nick Hayden in his face.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the following quote:
I think a INT when there wasn’t even a need to throw the ball, is more frustrating.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

more frustrating yes.....

more important…no.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed but

aren’t we discusssing why Eli was upset? if it wasn’t important at that point, wouldn’t he be more upset that there was no need for it to occur at all? And then you’re gonna say, yes and that’s why he was upset at himself for not making a good throw, not b/c it was RBs fault for not catching it. And I think it was a combination of the both. But I still feel that interception SHOULD HAVE been caught by RB and was more his fault than Eli’s.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make

but please don’t confuse that play being “Frustrating” to the primary reason why Eli was upset.

I think we all know it was “frustrating”….obviously it’s frustrating when you throw a INT when you don’t even have to throw the ball. I will concede that point.

but in order of importance….it’s no where near the 1st or 2nd INT.

at the end of the day, I think Eli is worried about what HE can control as opposed to “dropped passes”….and I think if Eli could take one of those passes back….it would be the one to Ramses b/c I thought outta all 3 INTS….that one was on Eli….and that’s why Eli was upset….because it was on HIM. Not because they were winning and it was “frustrating”….

that was the worst pass outta the bunch.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will agree with you on everything you said

except that i thought RB coulda & shoulda caught it. I didn’t necesarily think Eli was ONLY upset b/c he didn’t come down with it. But I think it’s one of the things he was thinking about. which worries me re: RB’s future with this team. If Eli starts losing confidence in throwing his way, he"ll get less opportunities. And so far RBs conversion rate is 0.000. So when does TC start dressing Cruz instead??

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know you love you some Barden

but that INT was on him not Eli. The ball hits your hands you either catch it or knock it down. There is no excuse about batting it up like a volleyball, none zero zip nada zilch. Sometimes the ball is going to be high because it has to be high to get over an underneath defender. It is the WR’s job to go up and get it. If Eli hits you on the hands he has done his job, now do yours and catch it. Don’t tell me Eli needs to hit him in the chest because recievers should catch with their hands not their body. Rarely is the chest the right place to throw. It is going to be up over a defender, low away from a defender, back shoulder away from a defender, or out front leading for some YAC.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

RB shoulda caught it. And for the record, I don’t really like RB that much

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

if a guy can't catch teh ball b/c it's too high...

he damn sure ain’t gonna bat it down….

the fact is any other WR on the team doesn’t get a fingernail on that pass….

I’ve brought it up before adn i’ll bring it up again…how many times have we seen Eli hang Boss up to dry…just Sunday Boss had a ball hit his hands. Was that pass also a pass that shoulda been caught?

where do you draw the line?

what if someone lays out for a ball and gets a hand on it?? Should he HAVE to catch that ball?

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I have to place a gauge

I’m gonna say if it hits your palms and within 2 hands, you should catch it.

That happened on the INT play.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree....but did that ball even hit Bardens' palms??

I thought it grazed his outstretched fingers….

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

the trajectory of the ball would indicate that as well

should it hit you in the palms it ain’t gonna shoot up in the air like that.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It hit his palms

I think he misstimed his jump and was jumping up into the ball hence volleyball setting the thing.

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

ABSOLUTELY

hit the palms of both his hands

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

you were not watching in HD

LMAO…..

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

another reason to watch the games @ home

HDTV

AMAZING

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched the play on TIVO

during the game a few times. I also watched his jump. He didn’t get more than a few inches off the ground. He was kinda off balance or as some suggested mis-timed his jump.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that too

Either he has no ‘ups’ or he mis-jumped or something cause he didn’t get very high off the ground either

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it hit his palms

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it hit his palms

i’ll be the first one to say “it’s on Ramses”

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the record,

the play started with 7:08 to go on the clock in the 4th qtr.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

708...i'll remember that.

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

again lol

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

u know me 777....i'll be honest

i’ll watch the reply tonight….if i’m wrong i’ll say i’m wrong

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by andiamo708 on Sep 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I usually rewatch on Tues

I’ll watch the entire game again on Tuesday nights but I was working at home today so I was able to FF thru to the play. Anyway, I gotta go. It was fun ttyl

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 last thing

pay attention to RB’s elevation. He didn’t get up very high either. Either he can’t jump or was off balance or something

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

When a guy is 6'6"

you are going to try to use that to your advatage and hit him with a pass that you might not have been able to throw to a shorter reciever over the middle because it would be too at risk to the underneath defender. His height is supposed to be his value, if he can’t make use of it what value does he have?

by bigblue777 on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

how many times have we lambasted the Giants for playing too conservative. I have no problems with the offense trying to pick up a 1st down and put the game away.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

You have a vet QB that is playing well, go for the 1st down and kill the clock.

by Giants56 on Sep 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not argueing whether or not it was a good play call

I can see (& agree) with going with the pass but in actuality there was no real NEED to do it

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andia point well taken..

That is why I am saying in RBs defense he only had the one pass thrown to him the other guys had several..The rest of the time he was just a red zone decoy….You need to have more than one ball thrown your way to get into a groove..I think still he could have caught that one and if he did I think he’d see more going his way…He needs to take advantage of that because I want to see more of him involved in the offense.

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by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I could never warm up to ...

Fantasy Football. Maybe MLB can be boiled down to stats, but to me, the NFL is much more about team, and the play of the “stat-less” positions, like the NT tying up two blockers, etc. I can’t even do the point spread pools cause it distracts me from the strategy of the games.

by Shofner85 on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let put it this way

Plax makes that catch 9 out of 10 tries.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

nope

lol

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was most excited by...

the play of Kenny Phillips. Man if he’s all the way back, look out. That tackle on Williams was probably the play of the game for me.

by John W on Sep 13, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

He's not even all the way back according to himself.

No setbacks and more confidence could mean the Pro Bowl, which is where he was going to go last year.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah great to see KP back..

He only blew one cover trying to go for the pick against Smith vs just whacking him..

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by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

me three

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense looks scary. Granted, this was Matt Moore throwing so let’s not get too excited.
The D line looked incredible. They controlled the point of attack, closed gaps and stopped the run early. The pressure when they were behind was excellent. If they’ll get points early and control the clock, they’ll be able to pressure most quarterbacks.
I know it’s been said a hundred times but the stadium is confusing as hell. I had a medical issue (nothing serious)’ and it took me 45 minutes to find the EMS room I walked up and down flights of stairs- Wet Willie!. The guys in the ems derserve a kudos.
Wet Willie to the giants organization for not firing tom Quinn in the offseason when it seemed like a no-brainer.
Nice pickup with Reynard.
Kudos to ‘read and react’. Whatever you want to call it, this system seems much more prepared to face some of the better QBs in the league.
Victor Cruz and Manningham were in Red Bank for an autograph session after the game. Victor Cruz seems like a down to earth nice guy- kudos. Manningham seemed disinterested. But kudos to both guys for being nice enough to sign stuff for the fans.
Kudos to the cowboys and eagles for losing.

by pataroons on Sep 13, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

hopefully Dodge's punting...

…didn’t give you palpitations and send you to the clinic.

by Step up and make big plays on Sep 13, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

he(in reference to Cat Scratch) got a piece of rubber from the field in his beer. and choke on it

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

the same Matt Moore

that shredded us last season so that’s a good enough reason to be excited.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

ST Coach

I’m thrilled with the win, despite playing most of the first half on our own end of the field, and the Panthers always playing on a short field courtesy of our special teams. ST seems to me to be the single biggest concern of this team right now; that and Beckum masquerading as a tight end. We need a real blocking tight end to complement Boss when he comes back, and a new special teams coach. Is it uncommon to fire coaches in mid-season? If so, Quinn must go.

by dunk244 on Sep 13, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Not secondary position coaches

He could and should be gone.
I think TC and organization gave him shot in reg season game and he flubbed it.
Could we really be much worse with a D 1 ST coach?

Pull the trigger now.
Seems like ST is on strike like DEF was on Sheridan

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately

it won’t happen. There’s no way the Giants and TC fire Quinn. Look at last seasons debacle with BS.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad for the win

But I’m not reading much into it. Last year’s defense looked mighty good against Tampa bay. Carolina is a very bad team without a real NFL level quarterback. The next three weeks will provide a much better barometer of how much the Giants have improved.

I do hope that they bring Pascoe back. Beckum was even worse than I feared when asked to be the primary tight end.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 13, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah Tucker...Pretty embarrassing when a offensive tackle runs out and calls your number off the field to replace you..

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by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah all he's missing is the bolts in his neck..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love the Center in game mics!

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Me too

That was awesome with the surround sound on!

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

And love the rubber pellets that gave us the advantage!!

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Block Punt

equal blame between protection and Dodge. He takes sooooooo long to punt the freaking ball. It’s like we’re watching in slow motion.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if

he is focusing so much on the directional aspect that he is forgetting to just hammer the damn ball!!

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Johnson Halftime Analysis

Was anyone else really annoyed by Jimmy Johnsons halftime take on the giants that their defense looked the same as lat year because they gave up 16 points in the first half. I wanted to get up and strangle him through the tv, as its like he did not see any of the actual game, just the halftime score.

I agree with Ed’s take, that I thought the defense played pretty well in the first half as well to keep it to only 16, with the panthers starting at midfield or farther it seemed the entire half.

Clearly he’s got the cowboys bias but that analysis is just laughable.

by rozzz5 on Sep 13, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Jimmy Johnson...

He is a spokeman for ‘Extenze’…His football comments are equally a joke..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

years ago

while watching Rangers games I’d listen to Marv Albert on the radio.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

One Glaring Kudo Ommission

Thomas had a monster game. I can’t fault him on that one on one play. That’s a tough play for any defensive player.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Must be Moore

got the rubber out of his eye for the one play. Perfect throw only one man could catch it. Paid the KP road paving tax for it though.

If KP could have just thought that way later in the game when Smith crossed the middle instead of interception, think decapitation.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea

kp had the play that woulda made highlights everywhere.. but the ball hawk metality that fuel is preaching prolly had an effect on what decision he made.

im not complaining one bit. :) i eats off turnovers!

but kp…with more game snaps..he’ll get back to being instinctive at the right tims..like he was showing before his injury declaration

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Justin Tuck additional Kudo

honoring the FDNY with the helmet… Fireman Ed Who?

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly. We thought the same thing. Nice way to honor the firefighters, and remind the Jets who is still top dog.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 13, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

What did coughlin say to the team at the half????

Either they just got warmed up or Coughlin and co. made all the right adjustments, either way BIG BLUE’s D is BACK!!! saw a point earlier how the D just looked like they were having fun, thery definately did. Lets get Indy now. Sorry Payton we know your the big brother, but Eli’s D is gonna hunt you down ….LOL.. Go GIANTS!

by BigBluefaninTexas on Sep 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

i think

it was more execution vs changing up the gameplan.
Too many errors…more physical than mental – Which is a good thing.

Bring on big brotha!!

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Sep 13, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

to: YankeeDudeL

Where did you find the Giant Logo with the Yankee bat???
AWESOME!!! I want to have shirts made with that

by BigBluefaninTexas on Sep 13, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

While it's true that the Defense got a bit of a break by facing a young QB...

I really, really sensed them picking up the pace, aggressiveness, and confidence as the game went along.

As strange as it may seem, I’m most excited about the attitude I saw on the field from the defense. This team, and I’m sure other teams as well, is a thousand percent better when they think they’re going to be great. Of course, now they have to face the Colts next week, and Eli’s brother tends to make good plays even when the defense did everything right.

It’s a good thing our offense will probably score another 30+ points.

by JTMacc on Sep 13, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

again

its the same young QB that chewed us up last season. That in itself shows how much we improved on defense.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wet Willie

To the Giants organization for giving the fans next to nothing at yesterday’s home opener.

Yes a win was the most important thing, but yesterday and at the Giants Stadium closing, fans attending got a coin and a post card respectively, and lame nostalgia and disingenuous gratitude at both.

I dont need Green Day, I would take dogs catching frisbees at a minimum, but they could have done more for people who shelled out at least $1120 to be at their state of the art money grab yesterday.

by Danny332 on Sep 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

My concern.....

as always is the special team. During the preseason I could see improvement in all aspect of the team except for the ST. Giving a short field to a high powered offensive team will make it a tough day for us. Not sure if it’s coaching or these guys just taking longer to learn the system but hopefully they will improve as the season progresses.

by rbman3 on Sep 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Quinn has been around a couple years

Scheme should be there and is not.
Not rocket science but maybe the scheme is shot.

Lane assignments, directional kicking, head up wrap your arms, drive though, etc, etc, etc.

by SNORKIS on Sep 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

it is every single time

The coverage is not bad once or twice, it is every single kick. The coach needs to take some of the blame. But I don’t see any players doing great things either. Maybe we need to reassess our backups and save more slots than DeOssie for special teams.

by ct17 on Sep 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Loved..

Gilbride’s play call just short of the 1 yard line allowing Bradshaw to punch it in from shotgun, made Carolina look foolish. If this defense stays healthy, there’s no reason they can’t place top 10 in pgg, or ever top 5 in sacks. Bring on them Colts!!

by John Mjr on Sep 13, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

blah dunno where pgg came from, meant ppg, or points allowed lol

by John Mjr on Sep 13, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

what I loved about the call

was Gilbride spread out the defense. We went with 4 WRs and shotgun.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

that is the only way it works for us

We are horrible at pushing large piles one yard. Not a straight-up blocking team. Notice we did the same thing on the QB sneak, split 2 WRs out wide. It’s good to see Gilbride making adjustments from last year.

by ct17 on Sep 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

was scanning around to see if anyone else loved that call. defense (and announcers) were completely zeroed in on steve smith in the slot on the other side. manningham had a nice block to get bradshaw in.

by tulls200 on Sep 13, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next week will tell us a lot!

Eli may not be the most accurate QB, but he’s the most confident QB. I know there are plenty QBs who would’ve been scared to throw the ball into traffic, after his receivers messed up a potential perfect game.

Kevin Killdrive looked great… I’ll wait till next week before I stop calling him killdrive.

Manningham is a sneaky dude, I don’t think I’ve ever heard him talk. He just goes out there and play… hopefully he’ll turn into a Wes Welker type. I saw Steve Smith almost fall after he made a catch, but he was focused on standing up and running after the catch.

Cant wait for the Manning Bowl… Who thinks they should change the game Madden to Manning?

by jdaking123 on Sep 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

cofield and canty

I was amazed by cofield’s closing ability and how he dropped back and broke up a pass on the goal line.

Canty looks like he spent his offseason preparing to be a true DT. He looks a lot thicker. Maybe 10 or 15 pounds of “good weight”

by handle on Sep 13, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Tightends

We need another one. According to the QnA with one of the guys over at Cat Sractch Fever the other day Carolina has the best 3 tight ends in the leauge on their roster. That made me fall on the floor crying. Joking aside we do need to activate the Bear.

by costanza! on Sep 13, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Whats the status on Boss?

he took a nasty late hit, that wasnt called by the way, and i hope hell be active for next week.

but yeah Beckum needs to improve his blocking or step aside for Bear

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

dodge

The blocked kick may not have been totally his fault, but take a look at it again. He does a weird shuffling off his feet that cost him a few seconds.

by queler on Sep 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

my brother wants him cut.

hes..wow. i cant find a good thing about his play.

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 13, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I used to punt for fun

And he seemed to be in slow mo. Steps to large and sometimes he seems off balance. This is not rocket science. If you have the leg strength, regular punts are not that hard once you get the technique. The pooch punts and sideline stuff, well that is tougher. He has the master, Feagles to help him,not sure what else will help.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 13, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

he takes too long

from when he gets the ball until he kicks but that guy was on him as soon as he got the ball.
He probably could have pulled back to avoid the block and still pooched it but hopefully it’s an experience he’ll learn from.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he has more hang-time before the kick than he does when he kicks it...

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by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

I just spit from laughter on my screen

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000000000000

I’ll say it again. He’s sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow.

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by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have to get shawn andrews in next week

peyton lit it up again reguardless of the score……. suebert was invisible and even though andrews doesn’t know all of the pass protection plays, while watching him in the pre season i saw he did not forget how to maul someone on a run block……. if the texans suspect line did that to the colts a proven beast like andrews will open holes up that everyone commenting on this blog can run through……. jacobs + andrews verses colts line = Colts fans dont want to know.

by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Sep 13, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

In Saying That

kenny phillips looked a lot like adrian wilson of the cardinals he is big, strong, and he is a ed reed type playmaker he is going to be the best safety by years end maybe by mid next year

by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Sep 13, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

before his injury

I felt KP was on the verge of becoming a top 6 to 8 safety last season. He’s a solid football player.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

we can only hope

As long as he is not Bob Sanders and misses more games then he ever played

Superman is back!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 13, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously Slaughter

The Tyrone Biggums pic is awesome

You should have that sig line “I want some crack”

by Flynner on Sep 13, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this

…the Five O’Clock Free Crack Giveaway?

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 13, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting ahead of ourselves

Yes, the Def. looked good yesterday and we should all enjoy the best effort we’ve seen in a while, But…

The Panthers are a largely one dimensional offense. They run the ball. When that goes away they try to take a young QB and force the ball to Smith. I don’t think they were much of a test for our D.

I want to see this unit against an offense with solid QB play. And it just so happens that we get that test Sunday night. If they can hold their own against Peyton and keep us in the game, Then I will be ready to give all the praise and Kudos to Perry and the rebuilt defense.

by Flynner on Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

True, but remember what they did to us last year

The Panthers ran for over 200 yards, and Matt Moore picked us apart.

I know it’s one game, but this defense already looks so much better than last year. But yes, a llot remains to be seen.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Sep 13, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Nicks is much better after then catch then Wayne

I think most people said he is like a Irvin Jr.

…without the blow and hookers. Thank God

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Sep 13, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

NIcks

is really good after the catch. I think this guy is gonna be a stud once he learns to run crisper routes. It’s only the beginning of year 2 and the sky’s the limit for this guy.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same with

Ham

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

continue to be

a huge supporter of Terrell Thomas. The guy just continues to get better.

Ross – go back and run on the beach if you want to ….Terrell is holding it down and with KP being the captain we need in the back we’re looking better than ever.

Serious Ross – get out of trainers room and on the field.

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Sep 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

me too

he was one of the only bright spots in the secondary last year and was really good yesterday. Aside from getting juked out of his jock on that one play, he was solid. Loved how he stayed high when Smith tried to hurdle him.

by bgn1987 on Sep 13, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it was

against a TE as well. You can’t get juked by a TE unless it’s …well someone better the Rosario Dawson.

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Sep 13, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A healthy Ross

would not or should not replace TT. TT is better. This will be TT’s 2nd season as a starter. He continues to improve with each game.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Sep 13, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Osi still on this team????

He cant stop the run, he has lost a step in the pass rush. The man is a cancer on this defense!!!!!!!!

P.S. If you havent noticed I am making fun of all the Osi haters in the off season! haha I LOVE IT! OSI IS BACK!

by BigBlue82 on Sep 13, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

well -

we still get him relatively cheap and I believe people are hoping he turns the corner mid season. Or else we’ll invest the money in Kiwi and Osi will be a RFA I believe.

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Sep 13, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must admit Big..You got my blood pumping there for a second..LOL!!..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

but sadly I think we’re gonna have to spend A TON of cash to keep Kiwi let alone Osi. Yesterday, Kiwi had 2 sacks, a Forced Fumble, and played the run stoutly. Not to mention, he had almost 10-12 snaps at LB. Can u say Versitile AND Talented? He’s gonna have a career year on 2010 and gonna make a lot of money in 2011. Hopefully, he’ll still be wearing the Big Blue uniform.

by GiantLion on Sep 13, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he is special that Kiwi..and Fewell obviously saw the talent..fits

Perfect with Fewells system.He has him lined up everywhere..He has everybody moving around.Osi and Tuck side by side..Who have figured we’d see that?..When he let the dogs off the leash, they destroyed the Cats..Bryant at one point looked like he didn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 13, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hail To The Redskins!

How fun was it to watch the Cowgirls lose? And the Redskins d wasn’t too shabby, either. But mostly, it was fun to watch Romo making excuses. Again. How many national sportswriters who practically handed the ‘Girls the Lombardi Trophy before the season began will eat their words? I’m thinking: “zero.” Clowns.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 13, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

bradshaw's k'willie

Bradshaw was responsible for 2 if not 3 holding calls, where the blocker had a defender blocked to the outside and Ahmad decided to go outside anyway. He could benefit by watching film of Tiki. Nobody set up blocks better than Tiki, except maybe (dare I say it?) Emmit Smith. Aw crap! Now I gotta go puke.

by blumag on Sep 13, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Kudos to

Willgfass and well-rounded cube as they helped me to remind two posters to stop their personal attacks and get back to simply loving the Giants win. Also kudos to lboogie25 as without him I would have been up at 4 am only to watch the score on NFL.com because I was unable to find a live feed, thanks for helping me support the mighty New York Giants.

2010 is the year of the Giants!

by ChuckyofNorris on Sep 14, 2010 3:54 AM EDT reply actions  

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