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NFL Trade Rumors: Matt Leinart To The Giants?

[UPDATE,11:31 AM EDT: Seems like Vinny DiTrani Day here at BBV. Vinny is reporting that the Matt Leinart to the Giants talks have "pretty much been dismissed." ]

[UPDATE, 10:54 AM EDT: Vinny DiTrani, the most veteran of the Giants' beat writers, offers some free advice to GM Jerry Reese. I tend to agree with Vinny on this one.]

[UPDATE, 10:51 AM EDT: Leinart not interested in backup role.]

Could Matt Leinart be the backup quarterback for the New York Giants?

Adam Schefter reported this morning that the Giants, Buffalo Bills and Oakland Raiders have all contacted the Arizona Cardinals about Leinart, who has lost the starting job in Arizona and is on the trading block.

Let's look at the pros and cons of bringing Leinart to the Giants.

Star-divide

Pros
  • Leinart is a former first-round pick (10th overall). Having played for USC and been a No. 1 pick, he has a better pedigree than Rhett Bomar (fifth round, Sam Houston State). Leinart fits the David Carr profile of a former No. 1 pick backing up Eli Manning and trying to turn around a stalled career. Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio made a similar point earlier today.
  • Leinart is entering his fifth season in the league, has played 29 games and started 17. Bomar has played zero games.
  • Like the Keith Bulluck and Shawn Andrews signings, this again would show that the Giants are serious about winning this season.
  • Leinart has played exceedingly well this preseason, going 19-for-23 for 161 yards and one touchdown, a rating of 110.3. How you lose your job performing like that I don't know.
Cons
  • Leinart has been bypassed for the less-than-stellar Derek Anderson by Arizona. In his fifth year in the league, and it is obvious Cardinals' coach Ken Whisenhunt has never learned to trust him. He has a career quarterback rating of just 70.8 and has never lived up to the hype coming out of USC.
  • He has a huge contract that would have to be re-worked if he came to New York.
  • From afar it seems Leinart has never been happy as a backup, and that he has never been all that interested in preparing well to do that job. No chance he would depose Manning as the starter, so you wonder if his attitude about being No. 2 would be any better with the Giants.
  • Trading for him would cost the Giants a draft pick. Even though it would likely be a low-rounder, it's not easy to part with a draft choice to acquire a player you actually hope you will never have to use.

Looking at the Leinart situation, you have to wonder a few things. Considering the money he is making, and the fact that Anderson is the alternative, why has Arizona chosen not to give the job to Leinart? Pretty obvious there is something about the guy that has never set well with the Arizona organization.

Why are Buffalo and Oakland the other two teams interested?

Buffalo makes some sense to me, even though the Bills are now denying any interest in Leinart. The Bills' starter is Trent Edwards, and the backups are Ryan Fitzpatrick and Bryan Brohm. Leinart would upgrade the No. 2 slot, and might push Edwards for the No. 1 job.

I have no idea why the Raiders would pursue Leinart, unless they are worried about the long-term health of Jason Campbell. Bringing him in would fit Al Davis's MO, but it would also open the potential for a quarterback controversy in Oakland. If the Raiders believe Campbell is their guy I don't know why they would bring in Leinart.

(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com. Follow Big Blue View on Twitter.)

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I think if this is going to happen...

it’s gonna happen quick….like today. I think the fact that we’re hearing about it now, and he’s not signed may be a sign that it WON’T happen.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Well ...

Tom Coughlin did hint yesterday that something could happen before the preseason finale.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 1, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

the JR factor....

if JR wants to get it done, it will get done quick….he won’t dilly dally IMO.

the fact that we’re hearing about it before hand makes me think it could all be for not.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reese investigates all options

From what Ive read this is one that won’t fit, even if Buffalo offers same round pick, theirs likely to be higher and he is out of NFC

Can’t see Giants overpaying for him. least not when Sage Rosenfels might get cut and some other guys too

by trueblue63 on Sep 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

right....but he usually does it quietly....

once this hit the twitterverse this morning I knew something had to be “not right”….unless he was signing 5 minutes later…which he didn’t.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean he was a great QB at USC

I think he could be good in the right system, but great? He has to actually win a starting job and some games first.

by trueblue63 on Sep 1, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something stinks in AZ

Whisenhunt is/has something against Leinart that we are not aware of. In this day and age it seems impossible but something……his comment about meeting with Leinart was ‘good for both sides’ CRAP

by SNORKIS on Sep 1, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Bomar.......

Who cares if he’s a 1st round pick? The guy never seems to step up and unlike Carr, who never really complained about his lot in life, Lienart does.
He never liked being a backup and his entitled attitude is really bad.
Bomar hasn’t looked perfect, but neither has Eli because of the line issues. I hope they keep Bomar because I think he could develop more then Lienart ever could or will.

by themage78 on Sep 1, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

dude is accurate

cant fault a guy for wanting to get on the field.

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto...Dbl Ditto

Conan!, What is good in Football?!

Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.

by The Pale Scot on Sep 1, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree and disagree.

Agree that Bomar should be the one that we go with. Agree that Bomar has shown that he can get the job doe if need be. Agree that Bomar will develop in to a quality talent.

Disagree that Bomar is better than Lienart. Disagree that Matt did not play well when he did play for the Cards. He played just fine up until his sustained thaose injuries with one being his throwing arm.

The fact that he held out and the great play of Kurt Warner pretty much did him in. However, he appears to be back in form and I doubt that the Giants will be able to pay him what he wants.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did you watch him against Saints in playoffs last year?

He didn’t stink, but he did nothing to further his career

by trueblue63 on Sep 1, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be able to play....

But his attitude is cancer. We don’t need another Shockey. He doesn’t want to be a 2nd string QB, Bomar already knows where he is on the depth chart, but he has shown improvement.
How much improvement do you expect out of Lienart? He doesn’t know our system, doesn’t know our receivers, and we are trusting him to take over if Eli goes down.
Whereas Bomar knows most of the Giants Offense and seems to have a good repoire with Eli. I don’t think Eli needs another fromer 1st rounder breathing down his back.

by themage78 on Sep 1, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

stay far away from this guy

He is just like jemarcus russell… he came into the league thinking he could just skate by on and not put in any work….I don’t think he has ever shown enough fight in him to contend for a starters job. How could u be a bad qb with larry fitz and bolden?

by Sarasota Giants on Sep 1, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

That is a great question

How do you not succeed with the weapons he has had at his disposal?

by Ed Valentine on Sep 1, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

protection problems

see Carr in Houston. when you dont have the ability to protect the QB it hurts his development. Warner had enough veteran poise to deal with it but you can tell by Warner’s high turnover rate that it affected him too.

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely agree.

Matt accomplished what he did in college because he had great protection. He managed to cary that quality play over to the NFL and plyed well for some time before his injury.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No running game

2 mil seems like a reasonable price for this kid. He would definately need an attitude adjustment. If that could happen and he accepts his role it might work. Tough one but I think not.

by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 1, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

edge

Edge still had a little left in the tank. I still like where bomars head is compared to leinart. Let’s trade for a more prominant need position such as cb mlb or kr

by Sarasota Giants on Sep 1, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

got Carr for $1mil

by SNORKIS on Sep 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Nope, Nah

He is just gonna be a more expensive version of Jessie Palmer… a young playboy who is more intrested in NYC parties then playing football. If giving up a draft pick is too much to get him

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

He onset starting because whizz head never wanted him

QB from a former regime, not the wizzduds own man. Leinart was setup to fail from the get go, and wizzdoodle did everything in his power to thwart the guys development as a QB. As Leinart said after his meeting with wizzeydope the decision was made on things beyond football. If Leinart saw NY as an opportunity to rebuild his rep as Carr did here then it could be a good fit.

by bigblue777 on Sep 1, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I pretty much get the same impression.

Dennis Green made a comment that activated my suspicions. When he said he had lost his patience during Matt’s holdout. I wondered how far in the organization that resentment went.

Once I saw how he was being criticised for his play before his first injury I figured that he was being jerked around somehow. I thought he played quite well up until then.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 1, 2010 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He takes

the easy option rather than being aggressive in that he will dump off to the RB rather than go the deep option – defences have learnt how to get him to check down and his stats 19 comps for 160 yards shows that – you expect your QB to average 8 yards an attempt not per completion.

He looked good in college playing for a big school against lesser foes.

Whilst intriguing I would not trade for him.

by G Fan in England on Sep 1, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Checking down isn't necessarily a problem

1st and 10 you can get a sure 4 or 5 yards, that is great

3drd and 12 and you complete an 8 yarder it means you have lost your nerve (if its happening often)

Montana and Walsh proved that if you check down a ton, the d will react and give you shots at a big play.

by trueblue63 on Sep 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with everybody's reasoning, so far, against trading for him

This being said, I still dont want him. We need that roster spot for our defense.

If Eli gets injured we aren’t going far in the playoffs with any of these guys and I think Bomar could be good enough to steal a game if Eli goes down.

I said this in another thread but we aren’t a really good team. We have enough talent at the starting positions to win a lot of games but it’s going to take a lot of injury luck for us to have a great season. QB is important but we need that extra spot for another linebacker, corner, or kick return guy.

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

We do have to have a No. 2 QB. We aren’t talking about carrying three guys, we’re talking about whether or not Bomar is the right choice for No. 2.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 1, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

though i think what we should really be talking about is Bomar plus a 5th or 6th round pick more value than a guy like Leinart.

personally (though i dont really know his trade value) I’d see if we could trade a wide reciever and a pick for sage rosenfels.

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

rosenfels

I’m on that bandwagon. If we’re going to make a trade for another QB, I think he fits the veteran backup role. A guy that can come in for a game or 2 or 3 and keep the ship afloat. He’s done it in Houston so he has experience. Leinert is not that guy.

If it doesn’t happen, I"m not overly upset if Bomar is the guy. The one thing I love about him is that he will stand in there and take a shot to deliver a ball. He’s gotten blasted a few times so far and hung in there.

by bgn1987 on Sep 1, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

What receiver though

Do we really need another head case backup QB. Sage is reported to have been the one that started the Favre rumored comment about Childress not knowing anything about offense.

by SNORKIS on Sep 1, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way

no how. Don’t want this guy. I don’t think he’s a team player if things are not going well and he really doesn’t want to be a backup. Price tag is high, 2.3 mil this year, 7+ mil next.
He’s also a lefty which I think has something to do with him being inconsistent with his receivers. It’s a lot different catching a ball from a lefty. If Fitz has trouble, anyone will.

by bgn1987 on Sep 1, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

100% agree

now I don’t have to type the same answer. Thanks,

by GiantLion on Sep 1, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this particular situation I think it's clear the Cons outweight the Pros

As Ed said the Cons are as follows:

•He has a huge contract that would have to be re-worked if he came to New York.
•From afar it seems Leinart has never been happy as a backup, and that he has never been all that interested in preparing well to do that job. No chance he would depose Manning as the starter, so you wonder if his attitude about being No. 2 would be any better with the Giants.
•Trading for him would cost the Giants a draft pick. Even though it would likely be a low-rounder, it’s not easy to part with a draft choice to acquire a player you actually hope you will never have to use.

And the Pros are what exactly?

An unproven backup quarterback?

Pass.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

as a starter last season (1 game) he went 220 yards 67.7% passing 88.1 passer rating.

What quarterback do you exactly see on the market that is a proven starter quarterback?

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have one of the most durable quarterbacks in the league.

Why waste money and draft picks on a guy who:

A) Doesn’t want to be a backup, therefore, probably won’t be happy in his role.

B) Has had a history of looking more like Big-Ben off the field than Eli, in a city that isn’t particularly known for never sleeping.

C) Hasn’t proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is more capable of this job than Bomar.

I mean in all honesty, the guy was a top-10 pick for the Cardinals, they would probably give anything for this guy to step up and win the starting job, and yet he couldn’t beat out Derek Anderson? We don’t need him, plain and simple.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Leinert

is unhappy out there as a backup, I don’t see him wanting to be backup here as well.
He thinks of himself as a starter, same for a Jeff Garcia, guys who have that mindset,
could be more trouble than their worth. I see the Giants looking at the waiver wire, or for a “young” veteran to come in as a third string QB.

"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".

by Great Gatsby on Sep 1, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

i think

leinart is unhappy because he feels he has earned the starting spot. He’s outplaying Anderson but is still seen as a backup.

He cant out play eli

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Garcia at least wanted to play for his starting spot. Lienart wants his handed to him.

by themage78 on Sep 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because of lack of talent or because of injury?

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't remember if he was injured ...

when they put Warner in ahead of him, but at the time I believe they wanted him to be “the guy” (they probably had no idea KW had so much left in the tank).

The second time was this pre-season. Now all of these guys have a good deal of talent, but like with Leinert and guys like Vince Young it sometimes is more of a lack of willingness to work hard enough, since talent isn’t everything. At least thus far VY has shown it doesn’t have to be terminal.

by Shofner85 on Sep 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't really handed to him

They were doing that garbage of splitting time for a while letting him do some types of plays but having Warner do others. Talk about stunting spmeone’s development. Whizznhurts also would yank him and slap Warner in if he even half made a mistake, gee I wonder why the guy got into the mode of throwing so many check downs. His numb numb coach had the guy scared that if he took a risk and blew it he was out. Leinart never had a chance in Arizona.

by bigblue777 on Sep 1, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question?

When did JR last trade a future draft pick for a player?

The answer is of course Tynes!

So JR has carried out one trade in his tenure as GM!

I cannot see this happening.

by G Fan in England on Sep 1, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way

I thought I read yesterday that Whisenhunt hasn’t committed to a starter as yet?

"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".

by Great Gatsby on Sep 1, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Bomar

I don’t see the point in bringing in a guy who couldn’t cut the mustard to ride the pine, if the Giants already have guys to ride the pine at backup QB.

Look at Kevin Kolb in Philadelphia. He wasn’t a huge name as a backup, but when called upon, he performed well. Is Leinart going to put rear ends in the seats to watch him hold a clipboard? No. This isn’t USC. The pros are literally a whole different ballgame, and he hasn’t shown me anything to warrant a draft pick, let alone a roster spot.

I agree B-rod. The Giants, as much as I love them, haven’t impressed me thus far this year. We need to reserve that roster spot for someone else, not a backup QB when we have one. Bomar could conceivably perform well, if needed; he could not. You could say the same exact thing about Leinart, which is why we shouldn’t pursue the guy.

by TonyManero on Sep 1, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Opposed

really hope this is a smokescreen by the cards to make it seem more people want him.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Sep 1, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I would

rather have Vanessa Miniello included myself, but hey, that’s just me, haha!

"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".

by Great Gatsby on Sep 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

trade up for her

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."

by nywins42 on Sep 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly I wouldn't read too much into this

I bet we just called them to see if there was a Tim Carter for Reuben Droughns deal there.

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

this is not an option

Matt Leinart has reportedly made it clear that he doesn’t want to be a backup no matter where he ends up this season.
Teams have called Jay Glazer, who trained Leinart in MMA workouts, to gauge the QB’s character. “He’s done enough in this league,” related Glazer. “He wants to be a starter somewhere.” Leinart’s comments over the past week suggest he’s either receiving bad advice or simply out of touch with his value around the NFL right now.

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Buffalo

seems to be only place where he may be able to be a starter

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pass

On Lienart . The guy wants to be a starter which imo he should be in Arizona. The Giants should look for a veteran backup like a Sage Rosenfield. Hypatheticly lets say Eli goes down for 3 games we need a veteran who can keep us afloat for those games and then return to the bench without thinking they now deserve the starting job. I like Rhett Bomar but i dont think he would be able to keep us afloat for 3 or 4 games.

by costanza! on Sep 1, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Sage

I think the Vikes would look to recoup the pick they used to get Sage from the Texans (I believe a 2nd).

Plus I think the Vikes would want to keep Sage in case Favre does not last the season or indeed be the starter next year.

by G Fan in England on Sep 1, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rhett

could carry this team for a few games IF we play Giant ball. That being said, I do not believe we are a Giant ball team yet.

by SNORKIS on Sep 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt ANY backup could keep the current Giants team afloat for 3 or 4 games

Besides Rosenfeld isn’t any good either, he was awful when called in action for the Texans.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 1, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not going to happen....

typical JR….he doesnt’ let the cat outta the bag….if the word on the street is Leinart than chances are we’re going in another direction.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean

like I don’t draft gymnasts…but I do draft football players who can do backflips!

by G Fan in England on Sep 1, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

or another example....

“FA is going to be quiet this year….look for more trades to go down”….

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not worth it, Jerry...

Unless Jerry can get Arizona to pay for the majority of his contract, I find this deal to be highly unlikely & not worth what we trade for him. We might as well let Al Davis trade too much for him.

by njny on Sep 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

You do realize the Raiders get thrown into literally every rumor that goes through the media, right?

Oakland isn’t interested in Leinart. I know you’re hardly an expert when it comes to the Raiders, so let me educate you: They’ve got not one, but two, potential starters at QB on the roster already. The coaching staff loves Gradkowski and Campbell, the fans love Gradkowski and Campbell, hell, Al Davis loves Gradkowski and Campbell. For better or for worse, one of those guys is going to be starting each and every Sunday for the Raiders. Not Leinart. Unless something horrible happens or Campbell’s injury is more serious than they think it is—which doesn’t seem to be the case.

In February, when the Giants and Raiders are playing in the Super Bowl in Dallas, nobody’s going to remember this rumor ever existed.

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by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Sep 1, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it didnt happen

The Giants would have Lienart restructure his contract

by BigBlue82 on Sep 1, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad attitude ...

and too big a contract. Look for nobody to trade for him, and wait until he is cut. Leinert did not respond well twice to the “it’s your job to lose” situation. If he’s cut, he’ll have to be more humble and know he has to prove himself or nobody will be interested at any price.

by Shofner85 on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Offer Moss and Sorgi

What I am saying is not, no way, no how. Bad attitude, etc. what everyone said. Trade a draft choice? No. It is not as if we are a perfect team with riches to spare. This will not be the last build year unless the football fairy cures our OL (getting older) and LB situation. We need the draft choices, esp since two of our draft choices are hurt, one may not return (hope I am wrong). Shows how valuable picks are. Trade drafts for a backup who probably cannot bring playoffs? Nope, I’m going with Bomar.

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 1, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

theyre on IR

So they’re untradeable.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Sep 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

I know that, thanks. Just being my sarcastic annoying self. Basically saying make them an offer they will definitely refuse. :)

by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see it this way

If Eli is done for the year, Giants are done.
But if Eli went down for 3 to 4 games, Giants need someone who is more then a game manager. The team does not have a powerful D or running game which leads to the QB doing nothing. If the defense looks like it did last year, the offense could be playing from behind alot, so the ideal backup has to have the ability to use the skill sets of the WRs, not just rely on a run game.
Can Bomar do it…. I think so, because he has been in the Kevin ‘Killdrive’ system for a year but still has growing to do, but we have a better opinion, lets do it.

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Jeff Hostetler

I don’t get this notion that if Eli goes down, give up on the season. No way. You need to have a guy who can manage the team, even into the playoffs. If the defense sucks again, if they can’t generate a running game or protect the QB, then they aren’t winning with or without Eli. But if they are contenders with Eli, they have to think about a scenario where they could change up the gameplan but still have a chance without him.

by boilerdan on Sep 1, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I agree boilderdan

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff

   I loved the guy for what he did, like being able to move around the pocket, but he also had an experienced veteran running back and tight end, one of the top 5 defenses of all time and a team that was 11-2 by the time he came in week 15.
   Also, that was 20 years ago, the NFL as changed so much since then, especially in a era of so many “elite QBs”. You need more then a game manager to win mulitple games. (expections are super D’s and run games). I agree the Giants need a running game and defense to get back to winning, but Eli is still the most important part of this team.
   My point is Bomar can be that guy… maybe, but Sage Rosensfels proberly is not. But hey I could be wrong, how many people thought 1990 was over once Phil went down? I would never stop watching this team but I would not like our chances if they were Eli-less.

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

Leinart has given us anything to show any team, let alone the giants, that he can lead the team in the event of the starter going out for the year.

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would take Sage as a backup over Sorgi and Bomar right now. If Favre wasn't back he might have had a shot at the starting QB job this year at the Vikings

Bomar does have a spark and might develop into a starter yet……after all, Simms didn’t look any better when he first started. But this year we need somebody who can step in at a higher level than Rhett can right now.

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 1, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference with the 90 Giants

is that that team was fantastic at all other positions. Defense was great. OL was great. RB was pretty good.

None of those things are true with the current Giants. Eli and the receivers will carry the team to the playoffs and beyond.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

all truths

but the D, O-Line and running agme have to be better too for them to get back to the playoffs

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Venezuela, with Love

NY Post

Tom Coughlin will jump in a hot tub with Tiki Barber before Matt Leinart comes to the Giants to serve as backup quarterback to Eli Manning.

Ignore reports that the Giants have discussed with the Cardinals trading for Leinart. Not happening. Sure, the Giants are searching for a veteran quarterback to possibly sign to serve as Manning’s caddy now that Jim Sorgi is gone for the season with a shoulder injury, leaving only Rhett Bomar in reserve. But Leinart, according to those in the know, is not a consideration for the Giants.

"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss

by GhostDini on Sep 1, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Coughlin may not fit in the hot tub

tiki has too many NBC interns in there with him

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning

by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

boom!!!

"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."

by nywins42 on Sep 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

como estas?

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The women down here are taking care of me

My mom calls Venezuelan women little devils because they’re so beautiful. They’re an affair waiting to happen.

"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss

by GhostDini on Sep 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

*applauds

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Leinart

doesnt want to go somewhere to be the backup? So he either wants to be 3rd string or play in the UFL I guess. Seriously, what he has he done

by Giants56 on Sep 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

his preseason..

has not been bad at all, its been pretty good. The Cards were just set on not giving him the job. He outplayed Derek Anderson

by BigBlue82 on Sep 1, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he has had a decent pre-season

But he has been terrible every time he has been given a chance to start, so he hasnt proven anything. Can Victor Cruz demand a starting job?? He has been DA MAN this pre-season. Leinart needs to go wherever he is traded to and start over.

by Giants56 on Sep 1, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

not talking about a starting job....

we are talking about a backup job, you said what has he done, and I was just saying that he has a pretty good preseason.

And good point about Cruz, if we didnt keep him on the our roster, dont you think another team would want him on their roster? maybe not a starting job, but as a back up? Same thing here with Leinart

by BigBlue82 on Sep 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad

When I posed the question “what has he done” i was referring to how he said he wants to go somewhere and start. He said he doesnt want to be a backup. He hasnt earned the right. And you’re right on Cruz. There is 0% chance he would make it through to the practice squad. The Rams, Jags, Redskins, Steelers, or some other WR needy team would pick him up in a heart beat

by Giants56 on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He says that now...

that he wants to start, just like Carr used to say that, but maybe the Giants can talk to him and say hey look, you arent a starter right now, teams dont view you as one, come with us and we will rebuild your resume and get you a shot at a starting job [see David Carr]

they did it with Carr, they could be thinking about doing it with Leinart. I just dont think its that far fetched of an idea.

by BigBlue82 on Sep 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Similar to Carr situation..

Carr still wanted to start when he came to NJ, but once he realized that there wasnt a starting opportunity for him in the league at the time, and he would have to earn that opportunity, he came to NJ to start to rebuild his resume. If not team can offer a Leinart, he might want to come here to do what Carr did, Carr got his second shot.

Im not saying it will happen, Im just saying it could make sense depending on what the other teams are offering him.

by BigBlue82 on Sep 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

but we

can’t pay that current contract. Carr came in cheap.

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Sep 1, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would have to be restructuered

by BigBlue82 on Sep 2, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Leinart to Giants

Matt Leinart is a waste of money.The Gmen need help in secondary.That is what they should pay money for. the secondary is so porus it looks like a collender for straining pasta.

by Salvatore L Trentacoste on Sep 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeff. Garcia.

You want a solid backup? Go get Garcia out of the flag football league or wherever he is. Two years ago, I would have advised against this – he’d be gunning full-out to start, Eli’s confidence might have been shaky – but now? He’s experienced, and he could come in and even get us a win or three if The Unmentionable happened.

Cost?

Nothing. Nada. Zip.
This is a no-brainer. I can’t believe it hasn’t happened already.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 1, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

It hasn't happened

because Garcia is tied to a contract in the UFL. He cannot sign with an NFL team until after the UFL season. 8 games and then playoffs if his team makes it.

by bgn1987 on Sep 1, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants couldn't buy out a UFL contract?

Tisch drops that kinda change between couch cushions.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFL rules

A player who signs with the UFL belongs to that team for the season. There is no ‘NFL’ out. So, Garcia will not be available to an NFL team until after Thanksgiving.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLEASE

No more Garcia talk. Just thinking about he SF game in 02 makes me sick

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Sep 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come ON.

“UFL rules?” What’s gonna happen? The Commissioner of the Mighty UFL might suspend him?

Also, his wife is hot.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia is strictly

a west coast offense QB. He gets the ball out quick. He would not be a good option for us at QB.

by Giants56 on Sep 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a starter? Of course not.

But as a backup? Running around like crazy? He’d drive the opponents – prepped for Eli “Wheels” Manning – nuts. Don’t get me wrong, I like Bomar fine. But you need three guys. Where’s the Hefty Lefty?

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia

Is not just a west cvoast offense guy he took Philly to the playoffs a few years back when Donavan went down

by costanza! on Sep 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly implements a West Coast style offense.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The odds favor the Giants making a move for a backup QB....

but I don’t this is the right move. Think about it for a minute. Reese and TC knew that Bomar was going to be here this year, and if they thought he was ready, they’d never have paid (some would argue overpaid) to bring in Sorgi. When they made that decision, it had to be based on either a) Bomar wasn’t ready yet and they’d likely carry three quarterbacks this year, or b) Bomar wasn’t going to be the answer and he was going to the practice squad if he made it there, or to another team if he didn’t.

     Now this MIGHT have changed, if Bomar has done far better and progressed much quicker than the Giants expected, based on management’s view of the postseason thus far. But it’s clear that coming into the year, the view was Bomar wasn’t ready.

     With that said, I’d be surprised if a move does come before Thursday night’s preseason game if the Giants are considering Bomar and trying to evaluate if he’s ready or not. I hink they’ll want to see him on the field for some additional snaps, and also allow the final cuts to happen and see who else is out there.

    Leinart really doesn’t want to be a backup, he’s expensive, and he’ll cost both whatever draft choice is sent for him, as well as, most likely, the draft pick from last year that was used to select Bomar. I really don’t see him being an ideal fit, nor cost effective.

    With all that in consideration, I hope the Giants DON’T make a move here, as unless they can grab a short-term, one-year stop-gap for virtually nothing from the final cuts who seems a clear cut above Bomar, I think Bomar is progressing and can probably fill in as well as anyone the Giants would bring in at this point. After all, if Eli goes down, the difference between an 8-8, 6-10 or 4-12 record isn’t going to get us to the playoffs this year anyways. And of course if Eli doesn’t go down, and we know he’ll TRY to stay out there, carrying a second and maybe third quarterback, giving up a draft choice and taking on salary would be a waste of a roster spot, a pick and money.

    I’m all for grabbing someone from the final cuts if they think he’s clearly above Bomar and cheap, but otherwise, while I don’t think Bomar is ready to lead the team to the playoffs, I don’t think he’s a substantial dropoff from most of the alternatives either.

by Cranky50 on Sep 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely correct, Cranky50

Trading for Leinhart would be one of the less intelligent management decisions the Giants could make.

There will be alternatives for free, if really required, as you wrote.

Really, really stupid idea, hopefully brought on solely by the standard equally unintelligent frenzied media, where they have to write something dramatic. Send them out to cover Paris Hilton- that will straighten them out.

Want to trade someone? Trade Manningham to a lower team, like the Bills, get another high #3 , and pick two linebackers in 2011, unlike the past 5 years letting quality draft pick LBs go by the wayside.

by grange77 on Sep 1, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Giants are doing their due diligence in looking over the QB field now that Sorgi is out. But they are unlikely to panic and buy high at this point when a few guys will shake free and become available over the next couple of weeks.
I think Bomar has shown just enough to let them bide their time and see if someone they really like cuts cut loose from one of the other camps.

by ronjohnson on Sep 1, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Seahawks?

Pete Carrol doesn’t want him as the heir to Hasslebeck

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Sep 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

This guy has

never had his head on straight.

Somebody knew something when he dropped in the draft that year back to 10 and the Cards took him because they needed someone badly.

He knocks up his girfriend and then dumps before his first year.

He parties like a porn star and is all over the internet hammered

….and now his teammates know he’s not a leader and he’s let someone like D. Anderson displace him.

Can I understand the benefit to the Giants to take this guy? He can’t take the heat from Wisenhunt and he’ll someone handle the pressure of NY?

What is so bad about Bomar? Is JR just making sure this guy doesn’t go too cheap. Anything over a 7th round pick and I’ll be disappointed.

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Sep 1, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

It would be a better backup plan

Bottom line, if Eli suffers an injury and can’t play, I’d feel much better of our chances for winning this season with Leinart then Bomar. Rhett has more long-term potential possibly, but this team is built to win now, and I’d rather see an experienced guy like Leinart rather than watching Bomar learn on the job and wasting the season away

by jp2y on Sep 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Matt seems to be an emotional wreck

he has lost his locker room while playing well thats all i need to hear, he constantly loses a job that was handed to him 2-3 times now. now you want him to come to NY and deal with our media and expectations as well as try and lead some of the personalities we have in our locker room!! lmao dnt make me laugh

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Sep 1, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Bomar wasn't that bad

He has the arm strength and he isn’t gun shy.

No one knows what will happen if he plays. You think they kept Brady on the bench behind Bledsoe waiting for an injury? Nope.

by trueblue63 on Sep 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Leinart is a waste of time

he can’t beat out a backup in Arz for a starting position, why would he be worth anything on the roster?

The Cards can have Sinorice Moss, but that’s about it. And the Giants should ask for picks from the Cardinals to take his salary off their hands.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 1, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

on paper....

didnt he win the starting job? Lets call it as it is, the Cards are cutting their losses with this guy, and that is their choice, and probably the right one for them. But he did play better then Derek Anderson

by BigBlue82 on Sep 2, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really...

as Be Driven says right below, Leinart’s numbers are deceiving. All he did was take the check down and dump the ball off. He’s got a johnny Damon arm, not gonna win games.

They’re cutting their losses, yea. But Leinart does indeed suck. If he can’t head and shoulders beat out Anderson he’s not a NFL QB.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 2, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

lets be honest...

He had no shot of making this team, they decided before anyone showed up for camp that Leinart was not the starter.

And the decieving numbers argument…..well is decieving in itself, he completed passes. A lot of people think Eli’s numbers are “decieving”

by BigBlue82 on Sep 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leinart again..has a Damon arm

that’s what you look at. Can this guy make NFL throws? He can’t.

Don’t compare Leinart and Eli in the same sentence either. Ever.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

His QB rating is overblown

I was watching something about the QB competition in Arizona a few days ago, and they said that all preseason Leinart has been unable to get the ball down the field, he just keeps throwing the ball to his checkdowns. If that’s all he’s doing, we might as well bring back Danny Kanell because that’s all he did.

by Be Driven on Sep 1, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Ridiculous

There is absolutely no way that Leinart comes to NY. It wouldn’t make any sense. He is not worth even a 6th rounder…..

If we were to trade for someone, I think it should be for Hunter Hillenmeyer – backup MLB for the Bears. Now that guy could help this team.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 1, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Bomar

 I think if Bomar could stop following receivers with his eyes glued on them he would be pretty dam good.

by muttsey88 on Sep 1, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Reese probably spent about 5 minutes on this Leinart crap

if that, depending on how nice he is to other team’s front O’s.

Wilson is a midget and if we needed toast can’t we just place a slice of bread in the toaster?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 1, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

im just impatient

cant wait for final cuts . we need ST players corner and KR. IM SICK OF SEEING STARTERS RETURNING KICKS!

by Troy O on Sep 1, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

TT is not injury prone.

We have 3 good CB’s even with Ross always injured.

I know that a 5th rounder isn’t much but it’s still for a guy that is not likely to play much and without much upside

by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 1, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd stick with bomar..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Sep 1, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just thinking....

someone the other day brought up the fact that we shoulda made Carl Banks the DC. I think we all kinda laughed it off….while still giving the comment a +1 (I did anyway)….but I was thinking….seriously, does he want a job?

I say we make him the LB coach. Honestly, who better to be the LB Coach than Banks? Probably P. Johnson but would he make a lateral move like that? Plus hasn’t he been coaching the Dline? I can’t remember. Anyhow…I think we should give him the job. Get it done JR.

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

he's never coached LB's

so I doubt he’d help. Aside from nostalgia, it would be a waste of both parties time.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 1, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

this I'm aware of...

BUT I’ll bet that Banks could get more outta these guys than Herrmann

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're on!!!

"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Banks is a very articulate color guy.

Because I didn’t have the NFL package the last couple of years I listened to Bob Pappas and Carl on the Giants.com feed on my computer while watching whatever game South Carolina got on local networks.

  I must confess Bob is not my favorite announcer. Carl, on the other hand, is just what I want in a color guy. He tells it like it is without getting too shrill about it like other “home boy” color guys for other teams. It is obious that he is a student of the game and is able to convey his knowledge of the game in a way I like.

Whether he could be a great coach is an unknown. Mike Singletary certainly has shown that he can coach. On the other hand the best players don’t necessarily make great coaches. If they did, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, and Johnny Unitas might be in the coaching hall of fame.

That said, I think Peyton might be able to make the grade as a coach if he had any desire to be one.

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 2, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

with you on Carl Banks. The guy is not afraid to pick on the Giants LB core and tell it like it is. Obviously he was a very smart player and he brings that to his color analysis. Would that convey to the players…who knows. I do think that today’s players respond better or have more respect for coaches that have played the game at the NFL level.

by bgn1987 on Sep 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

look at Herm Edwards, decent player but an awful coach

by bgn1987 on Sep 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

PROs vs. CONs

Leinart has not played “exceedingly well” this preseason. I don’t know where you came up with that. I do agree with all your other ’PROS" as well as your “CONS”. The one CON you forgot to mention is that Leinart is a tool.

by pataroons on Sep 2, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

His attitude was mentioned in the cons. And I would say 19-for-23 is pretty darn good.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's my question, Ed...

I watched Leinart’s first regular season game his first year. He was awesome. Showed plenty of arm, great pocket movement, looked confident, and in general played an outstanding game. I remarked at the time that he was going to be another Doug Fluttie.

What happened? I know he is playing fairly well now but he just doesn’t have the swagger and great body language he had then…maybe the disconnect with Ken W. is more significant than we thought. There have been rumblings about that.

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bomar (in Matt Damon's whispery voice)

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Sep 2, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Now that it looks like Leinart is no deal

(thank God), I think the Giants should inquire about the availability of David Carr. I watched their 2nd pre season game and Carr did not play at all. And there was no injury situation. Nate Davis played extremely well in that game. Carr got some play last week. Anyway, it’s possible Carr may be a luxury SF just doesn’t need. Plus he knows the playbook and could be ready day 1. IMO it’s worth a phone call.

by ser1was on Sep 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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