Giants Training Camp: What Have We Learned So Far?
Week One of New York Giants Training Camp at the University at Albany is in the books. So, what have we learned?
- Well, we have been reminded that the Injury Bug -- that vicious, insidious, impossible to stomp out completely worm that can change a team's season in an eye-blink -- lurks around the corner on every snap of the ball in the NFL. The Giants have seen their share of strains, sprains and broken bones in the first week, but with the news that Rich Seubert should return Wednesday nothing that should have a lasting impact. Unless, of course, your name is Reuben Riley. Remember him? Hurt his knee Thursday, got cut Friday.
- We have learned that defensive coordinator Perry Fewell is, shall I say, a noticeable presence on the field. Good or bad, you always know how Fewell feels about what is going on with his defense. With the energy he brings to the table, I hope Tom Coughlin never lets this guy coach from the press box. He belongs on an NFL sideline.
- Speaking of Fewell, it is pretty obvious that he is willing to try things. We have seen some of Mathias Kiwanuka at linebacker, which Kiwanuka does not seem to mind, we have seen defensive lines with four defensive ends, we have seen press coverage, blitzes and a variety of zones. Right now it is early and the first week saw lots of stuff being thrown against the wall. Over time, we will find out what sticks.
- We already thought we knew this, but the first week has made it obvious that Deon Grant and Antrel Rolle are an immense improvement over what the Giants fielded at the safety position in 2009. Today, we begin to see what Kenny Phillips can contribute as he comes off the PUP list.
- We have found out that life for the Giants could be scary if center Shaun O'Hara were to miss a considerable amount of time. Everybody loves Seubert, who could play there if needed, but watch the man try to stretch and run during warm-ups and it is painful. He has given a lot to the Giants, and it seems that includes most of his athleticism. He does not move well at all. Adam Koets? He can say what he wants, but every snap is still an adventure and I'm not sure anyone would be comfortable if he actually had to play.
- As usual, we have seen that Eli Manning had better stay healthy for this team to be good. Rhett Bomar and Jim Sorgi have each had some good moments in camp, but they have had just as many bad ones. Can't say I would feel good with either one of them under center in a game the Giants had to win.
- We learned that Jason Pierre-Paul has awesome abs. I'm not kidding. And no, I don't have a man-crush on JPP. The Giants No. 1 pick is one of the only players who does not wear a t-shirt under his practice jersey (neither does Keith Bulluck), and I think he does it just to show off the wall of muscle in his mid-section. By the way, we've also learned that JPP can play a little. He might not know what is going on sometimes, and his pass-rush repertoire might be limited to a bull-rush, but he has used brute strength and athleticism to make some plays in the first week.
- We learned that rookie punter Matt Dodge can hit some absolute bombs. He has a tremendous leg. And we learned that he can also hit some awful-looking punts. Consistency and Dodge have not yet found their way into the same sentence, but the kid does have a leg that gives you hope.
- We learned that Tim Brown is not just a curiosity at Giants camp. The 5-foot-7, 165-pound undrafted free agent wide receiver from Rutgers was among the most impressive players during the first week of camp. I have no idea if Tiny Tim can keep it up, or how he makes the roster even if he does, but he's a guy you have to root for.
- We have learned that Rocky Bernard is indeed alive. He has to be. A guy wearing No. 95, which my roster says is Bernard, knocked down a pass Thursday night during red zone drills.
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I liked this recap
Are you going do a recap each weak? Because it was really intressting to read.
Agree...
From the perspective of someone who lives outside of the NY area—little access to NY papers etc.—who just joined, and who has not been focused on football this offseason this is really helpful. So is the summary from G Fan in England below. Thanks for both.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 10, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the LB's?
I haven’t heard much from the linebackers are they doing good,bad,okay?Just curious that’s all.
LBs
Boley has looked good, Sintim has made a few plays. Goff ran with eh 1s and Bulluck the 2s all week, but I suspect that will change.
Hey Ed...whose your starting LBs based off one week of training camp?
I think ultimately it will be Boley, Bulluck, and Sintim…BUT based off one week of training camp…which three LBs have looked the best to start NOW if the season started tomorrow? Just curious…thanks!
Nice recap Ed,
still crossing my fingers on Tiny Tim Brown. I’m really hoping he can supplant Moss.
On a side note, nj.com just posted a nice article on another Rutgers product to keep an eye on. He’s sophomore Steve Beauharnais and he will be their MLB this coming season. Definitely someone I can’t wait to see play and could maybe fit into Big Blue’s plans depending on the state of the LBs in a couple years.
Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.
Kenny
please let everything go well with this dude. i think we all realize how much he can change this def. if he’s healthy, so keep your fingers crossed under your desks at work today Giants fans.
"The Giants have seen their share of strains, sprains and broken bones in the first week, but ... nothing that should have a lasting impact"
…unless we include the very early loss of Hixon.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
how soon we forget
did anyone pick him off of waivers? i wouldnt mind having Hixon back next year once his knee is OK
the mets are terrible :( I need football
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Hixon is safe
Hixon cleared waivers for the Giants and he is on our Injured Reserve. He will be back for us next year.
Being a New York Football Giants fan or a player is not a label but it is a calling!
Let Us Start A Movement: Bring Back Tyree and Get Rid of Moss!
Recap
As Ed said one week of camp has passed by, so let’s see how the team compares to the end of last season unit by unit.
QB – Same – We hope Eli does not miss any playing time. If he produces at the same level as last year we will be happy.
RB – Better – they all sound fit so we should see an improvement on last year.
TE – Same – We still have not found a role for Beckum
WR – Same – this unit will only get better
OL – Worse – Age and injury are catching up on the OL and it does not seem that some of the replacements are ready.
DL – Better – they are seem fit.
LB – Better – Certainly more speed but can Sintim play.
CB/S – Better – Let’s face it if it was worse or the same the ledge would be clear by now.
ST – Same/worse – how does Dodge pan out – he may not have the placement but Feagles stopped having the distance.
Coaches – better – The DC is setting the tone for the defence.
So in my view, based on what I have read, the Giants are a better team after week one of training camp than they were at the end of last season.
by G Fan in England on Aug 9, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions
That actually helped
Thanks for that summary – while I probably could have done that myself, reading it actually made me feel better.
The problem is that a team is supposed to be better than the sum of its parts. So, hopefully this will translate to that.
i think OQ is way worse IMO
not eli, but the backups… if Eli _______________ (im not even saying it) i think we will all be wishing David Carr was still around
the mets are terrible :( I need football
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
whats an OQ?
QB lol
the mets are terrible :( I need football
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I said the same
because if we have to play our back up QB for any period of time it makes no major difference if it was Carr Sorgi or Bomar it is still a drop off from Eli.
So in my view the position is the same Eli or bust.
by G Fan in England on Aug 9, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
haha very true
Carr > Sorgi and Bomar tho.. I think Carr could win us a few games that we’d lose with these other backups but your right.. Eli or bust
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
whats the deal with kick offs and punt returns?
I have not heard much about it since hixon went down in mini camp. Who’s been fielding them? Any clear cut favorites yet?
by wilddre22 on Aug 9, 2010 8:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great to hear that JPP is demonstrating raw power
Wouldn’t it be something if JPP was a significant contributor year 1.
Who's been doing the kickoffs? We sure could use Dodge to kick those...
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
+1
the mets are terrible :( I need football
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Please...
God, Allah, Yahweh, Buddha, Vishnu/Geisha, Zeus, Jupiter, and the Gnome living in my back yard, protect Phillips’ knee and the rest of the Big Blue from the injury bug. Thanks! I think that covers all of the bases. I am crossing my fingers, while burning sage and having my dog keeping all black cats at bay. NO INJURIES LIKE LAST YEAR!!!
You forgot Spongebob
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Save me shaka kan shaka kan!
(brownie points if you knew that was from the simpsons)
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
yeah i still love that damn show
its best days are behind it, but i love me some homer….“Jesus, Buddha, Allah, i love you all!!!”
Posted This on Another Page Here
I posted this somewhere in here a week ago:
Please, Please, Please NO Injuries Please BE PROUD TO BE A GIANT AND PLAY GIANTS FOOTBALL
Please, please, please, please no more injuries this year. Guys please do not get the annual hamstring bug now or any other year for that matter. Please do not beat each other up.
Please do not be hung up on whether you will be a starter or not. All of you will see a lot of playing time especially on the DL and the LB area. It really does not matter who will line up at the start of the game since you all will be ‘overworked’ by the time the game is over. Please, focus on the rush on the opponent teams’ passer and don’t have a rush over who is the starter. We the NYG fans love and respect all of you.
Once the team has been finalized then please remember that you are a New York Football Giants player and represent the great legacy for which it stands. We always have been the flagship franchise of NFL. Please do add to our lore this year.
Please please no more injuries. We do feel your pain. When you get hurt we all get hurt. When you all are healthy we all are healthy. Please respect each other. It will take all of you to take care of all of you. We are behind you 1000%. Please do add to our lore this year. Thank You.
Being a New York Football Giants fan or a player is not a label but it is a calling!
Let Us Start A Movement: Bring Back Tyree and Get Rid of Moss!
I saw Ohm on Twitter said the "Big Base" Defense
got Tuck, Cofield, Bernard, and Canty…..w/ Kiwi at LB.
You ain’t running on that front…..that is if Bernard is indeed “alive”
or..
get fat worthless bernard out of there and stick in Linval
the mets are terrible :( I need football
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh...my...
Awesome.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just happy that Fewell...
appears to have more than one scheme. As easy a target as Sheridan is/was, one of his biggest failures was an inability to make adustments to his defensive scheme, either in game, or game-to-game. If the defense was predictable to us, it sure was to opponents, and they capitalized on it. Fewell looks to be more innovative, as well as more vocal, and I hope that continues.
im interested to see how JPP does
strahan made a career outta his bullrush it’d be great to see if JPP can try to copy that
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
the man can backflip at 270 lbs
im sure he can learn how to spin :P
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
LBs – The Giants LBs will be fine. In the post Jimmy Johnson NFL you don’t need dominant LBs to win the SB. The Saints just won a SB with Vilma , Fujita and Shanle starting for them. You win with a great dline and with a.good secondary.
JPP- That’s about what I’d expect from a guy who’s only been playing organized football for 5 years. His natural gifts have gotten him this far and if the Giants coaching staff could help him develope his pass rush moves and understand their defesive scheme he’ll be a terror.
…I’m also not surprised he’s got ripped abs. Doing a backflip requires a lot of core strength and is a good indicator of his functional strength cuz you generate power and explosiveness from your abdomen.
O-Line – Its the second week of training camp. Its much too early to write off the younger players because their still grasping the basic assignments and technique. Its also too early to bury the veterans … With the exception of Richie Seubert who’s at or nearing the end. He’s breaking down and getting hurt the first week of camp isn’t gonna help him keep his job. It also doesn’t inspire the belief tha he can hold up for 16 games or play effective over that time.
by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 9, 2010 11:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
RB Depth still a concern
Ed: what are your overall thoughts on the RB’s?
I know that Jacobs and Bradshaw are finally healthy – but you made the comment above about what would happen to the Gmen if they lost Eli for a prolonged period of time. I’m concerned about a repeat of last season, when Bradshaw and Jacobs were nicked up.
How has the depth looked to you, any comments on the success of guys like DJ Ware, Andre Brown (any lingering effects from the achilles surgery?), Gartrell Johnson?
Andre Brown
Has looked much better than I expected. We’ll see how it all shakes out, but the kid looks good.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Boss hammy
Now I read that in addition to the ankle issue, Kevin Boss now has a hamstring problem.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
ANOTHER HAMMY!
yoga!
when are they going to learn they need some kind of hardcore stretching sessions at least a couple times a week. once or twice a week have an extra 45 min intense stretching after the evening practice… pulled hammy problems solved.
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 9, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
plus, as Toomer demonstrated...
…yoga is helpful for toe-tapping along the sidelines and reaching out to snare balls out of bounds.
by Step up and make big plays on Aug 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Boss
Thing is, he should not have been on the field for two practices a day right from the start. He obviously was not 100% recovered from the ankle, and Coughlin admitted he hurt the hamstring while favoring the ankle.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
To all those with Tim Brown man (er) munchkin crushes
Victor Cruz is way outplaying him. I’m not rooting one way or the other but if he can return punts he’s on the team. He looks better than Moss, Hagen and even Hixon/Tyree so far. More consistent.
Hixon/Tyree?
Hixon had the 2nd highest kick return AVG in the NFL last year. Tyree made the Pro Bowl as a special teams player.
"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck
Cruz
has had some nice nights. Cruz, though, is not being used as a returner at all. It seems like Brown is the one who has really caught the attention of the coaches, but we’ll see.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
And I would disagree that Cruz is “way outplaying him.” Cruz and Duke Calhoun have both made some plays, but from the opportunities guys are being given it looks to me like Brown is the one moving up the pecking order.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions

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