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Giants Training Camp: Thursday Morning Practice Report

Aaron Ross provided a scare for everyone this morning -- including himself. The New York Giants cornerback, who nas a history of leg injuries, slipped on a punt return, gingerly left the field flexing his left leg and dropped a choice epithet on his way.

Ross returned later in the workout, though, and showed that he was just fine. He made a brilliant break across the middle to tip away an Eli Manning pass intended for Bear Pascoe. A few plays later, he ran stride for stride down the left sideline with speedy Tim Brown to break up a long pass from Rhett Bomar.

  • Center Shaun O'Hara was in uniform this morning for the first time since undergoing tests on his ankle. He did not practice, however. In his stead, Adam Koets and Rich Seubert split first-unit snaps at center. That is the first time Seubert has done so during this camp, and he did mess up one exchange. It says here, though, that if O'Hara were to go down for any length of time Seubert is the Giants best option at center right now.
  • Backup quarterback Jim Sorgi continued to struggle, throwing a badly overthrown ball right into the arms of the accepting Antrel Rolle. Rhett Bomar threw the ball decisively today, which is not always the case.
  • Ramses Barden made a twisting catch on a sideline throw from Sorgi that was well behind him. In a game situation that's a ball that would have earned Barden a huge hit from a defensive back.
  • Jason Pierre-Paul made a nice run stop, blowing in from left defensive end to nab D.J. Ware about three yards into the backfield.
  • Terrell Thomas dropped an interception today on a ball overthrown by Manning, and that had defensive coordinator Perry Fewell in a tizzy. 

[NOTE: Remember that 'New York Giants Talk' will be on at 3 p.m. ET today.]

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What is the OL

lineup?

Is it Beatty – Diehl – Seubert/Koets – Snee – Mckenzie

Is Diehl getting any reps at LT

by G Fan in England on Aug 5, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

G Fan

I will talk about the offensive line this afternoon during the radio show.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 5, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perry Fewell was in a tizzy?

that had me laughing for awhile. On a serious note i am praying that O’ Hara is okay and if he isnt and we must play with a backup center, I will cry if Adam Koets starts for us.

by #56 4life on Aug 5, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

I hope fewell tirades are kept to a minimum (they mean bad or missed plays), but I can’t wait to see one. Hopefully in preseason.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 5, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 to that

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ross, TT and Corey

Only two can start. What a pleasant problem.

Not a peep about McKenzie. Sounds like the Giants are going to try and get another season out of him. Why not? His metrics were all pretty good last year.

But can he last a season? And if Beatty is at LT who is the back up? Whimper?

by MSP Giant on Aug 5, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Liking how Ross is keeping up with Tim

Is Tim the fastest Giant on the team right now? That shows a lot on how Ross has kept his health in check during this past off-season. I knew he had some speed, but WOW – didn’t know it was that good.

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I think of all 3 as starters

almost in the same way I think Tuck-Osi-Kiwi are all “1st teamers” in that they all see equal action.

Even more so with the 3 CBs actually. With all of the recieving talent in the NFC East, we’re probably going to be facing 3 WR sets a good portion of the time. Would love having starting-caliber talent to match up against each.

Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.

by RealLT on Aug 5, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Sorgi is so bad that he doesn't make the team?

Good to hear Ross shakes off an injury, really want him out there. Having 3CB’s like we have will help a ton with all the weapons we gotta face in the NFC East.

Can’t wait to see JPP in that first preseason game, I think this warlock is gonna be an X factor down the stretch. My brother was at a practice earlier in the week and says that he looks bigger then any of the DL’s on the field. Considering he’s probably the most athletic and Justin Tuck is a behemoth…what does that make JPP?

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

A solid draft choice.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drinking the Koolaid

JPP is a boom or bust bet that will be a boom, as in BOOM I just smacked the quarterback!

by MSP Giant on Aug 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry I just can't be amped yet

I think the boom or bust thing is sorta overhyped. Chances are he’ll be average. I don’t mean him personally, just that the average NFL DE is …. average.

I hope to Christ he’s the second coming of Strahan though.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Aug 5, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't get into the boom or bust BS

there’s too many numbers in between 0 sacks (bust) and 15 sacks (boom) to think that.

There’s no reason at all that he can’t be a 7 sack a year guy to start off his career as a situation pass rusher.

Whoever invented this “boom or bust” cliche should probably be boomed on the head with a sledgehammer. Its BS, 100% and its bad for ya.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 5, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorgi

I think that competition is really getting interesting…
But if Sorgi does terribly – do the Giants still keep him and carry 3QBs? Or will they risk losing Bomar from the practice squad?

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Aug 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather...

carry 2 kickers than 3 QBs. Just can create a void elsewhere. I was never sold on bringing Sorgi in, with other, better options out there (i.e. Bulger[I think]). Eli goes down, Sorgi steps in, we’re SOoL!

by CCE718 on Aug 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope the RBs & OL gets it going this year...

I may not have confidence in Sorgi’s arm right now, but if our running game is on….& Eli is out…(hope that doesn’t happen) – then at least we can run most of the time. But I definitely want Bomar to step up and make great plays!

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Aug 5, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see

Bomar force their hand and step up to take the back up job. It would be great to have young depth at the QB position. And since they will probably lose him off the practice squad to another team if he looks good in the preseason, that might be our best case scenario.
 Maybe we’re finding out why Sorgi is an ex-Colt.

by ronjohnson on Aug 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 definitely agree with that!

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Aug 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on how Bulluck looks on the field?

Haven’t heard much about him in camp (granted, it’s only the first week) aside from the fact that he won’t be doing two-a-days.

by thenihcman on Aug 5, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Bulluck was on the bike during the morning practice

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Aug 5, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Koets.....

Is approaching Moss status….

Seubert already looking like the better option as a Backup C….AND he muffed an exchange

good grief.

by andiamo708 on Aug 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Any word on Nick?

wasn’t he supposed to practice today?

by bdasilva7785 on Aug 5, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Nicks will be practicing in the afternoon practice

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Aug 5, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually at night from 6-8pm

"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy

by 27Tango on Aug 5, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicks

Was on the field during stretching and I saw later walking around with no noticeable limp.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 5, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and now I can....

breathe a sigh of relief disaster avoided

by bdasilva7785 on Aug 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bear

I talked with him yesterday. He’s had a great camp and I will have more on him later, maybe even during the radio show this afternoon.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 5, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

BEAR!
He’s had a great camp

We’re not even five full days in yet…

by Step up and make big plays on Aug 5, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

what role do you see bear playing this year ed?

do you see him and travis in direct competition, or do you see the Giants looking at trav in a different light than any of the other tight ends?

by wilddre22 on Aug 5, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well ...

If Bear and Beckum are in direct competition all I can say right now is Beckum is not winning. Check out the radio show a little later and I will try to play a couple of clips from my interview with Pascoe.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 5, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't heard a word

about Petrus. Not from you Ed, Garafolo, Vacchiano, Mosely etc. That seems weird…

by GiantNomad on Aug 5, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

whats even weirder....

when drafted him the consensus was that he would come in an immediately push Seubert for a job.

Now, It seems like Guy Whimper will be the 2nd option before Petrus is (if of course Seubert doesn’t lose his job to Deihl).

by andiamo708 on Aug 5, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petrus

Is not competing for a starting job right now. He’s done fine. Don’t know who thought the ‘consensus’ was he would push for a starting job immediately. That hasn’t been the thought anywhere.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

comments were made after he was drafted.....

by one of our Coordinators and by JR himself:
…..

 “Right now if I have my way and things go the way we hope, there will be no injuries and the offensive line will stay intact and [Petrus] won’t contribute much at all,” Gilbride said. "But the reality of it is, right now over the last year we have lost a lot of time between the guards and the tackles with Kareem and then with Richie.

“They are very prideful, they are very tough. So I know they will do everything they can not to have that happen. They are fighting Father Time as valiantly as they can.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/seubert_job_is_on_the_line_rIizyf16uc7ap7cNiEksUP
….

Also from Ohm at ESPNNY.com (quoting Reese)

The Giants believe the 6-3, 307-pound Petrus will fit in well. He is strong and versatile and was often described by the Giants as being nasty. Petrus, who tied the combine record for most bench presses with 45, walked on at Arkansas and has played tight end, fullback and special teams. He helped block for a pair of 1,000-yard rushers in Darren McFadden and Felix Jones in 2006 but was ruled academically ineligible in 2008. Last year, he was an All-SEC selection and allowed no sacks on 439 pass plays.

“We think that the guard can go in and compete right away because he has a vicious nature about him,” Reese said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5132416

by andiamo708 on Aug 5, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I remember those now

But, right now he is getting second-team reps only.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 5, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

He said compete, not play.
Honestly, don’t they throw all those draft picks a few accolades right after the draft to get them feeling good about themselves and the organization? I’d say he will take time to learn the system, just like all the OL’s that come to the Giants. It’s not like he’s some stud 1st rounder with freakish skills that might grade out to dominate form the get go and play through the mistakes.

by ronjohnson on Aug 5, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

well they do compliment their rooks....after all they just drafted them

but i don’t remember anyone saying that JPP was going to push Osi/Kiwi for a spot this year….NO one was silly enough to make those comments about Adrian Tracy.

I guess my interpretation was to expect bigger things from Petrus….

But I think it’s also safe to say that the Giants expectations were a bit higher than they shoulda been.

by andiamo708 on Aug 5, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Post draft delirium syndrome, we all get it.

by ronjohnson on Aug 5, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pierr-Paul

Jason Pierre-Paul will either be a bust or an All-Pro. Some of the other DEs will be warming the bench if Pierre-Paul is the real deal. Wait until the season starts, and we’ll see who’s who. Osi, Kiwanuka: Welcome to the bench!

by bongoman19 on Aug 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorgi

Is a career backup and fine with it. Not a bad living really and an important part. But rhea is a future starter. And I think that nag mgmt will give him the nod if he is turkey better. But that doesn’t mean that sorgi is a goner. I agree that we should have two kickers. And speaking oft that, What’s the impression of this new punter? Hit and miss?

by section_112 on Aug 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Bizarre

I can’t stop laughing.

"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck

by GhostDini on Aug 5, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

hit and miss?

Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.

by RealLT on Aug 5, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ipad

Crushed my grammar. Sorry bout that.

by section_112 on Aug 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

No need to be sorry....

that’s one of the funnier posts that I have seen in a while.

by njgiant on Aug 5, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this site

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Aug 5, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I love lamp.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brick Brian.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 5, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found the Maple Street Press....FINALLY

it’s in Grand Central….2nd floor….actually the MetLife Building

by andiamo708 on Aug 5, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

How bout jay Alford?

Last year tuck said that he was going to have a monster year. Then he went done with knee problems. Do u think he’s lost out to rocky or linval? High class problem?

by section_112 on Aug 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Knee is sore

And so he’ll just go 1X a day for now. I’m still holding out hope for a rebound year but this isn’t a good sign.

by ronjohnson on Aug 5, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli's Foot

Has anyone seen or heard anything in reference to Eli’s foot? He hides his injuries well so we have to make sure he is 100% + okay too.

Being a New York Football Giants fan or a player is not a label but it is a calling!

Let Us Start A Movement: Bring Back Tyree and Get Rid of Moss!

by BB1156 on Aug 5, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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