Coughlin: Bomar is Giants' Backup QB ... For Now
by Ed Valentine on Aug 31, 2010 3:24 PM EDT
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Today is a feel-good day for Rhett Bomar, who has won the No. 2 quarterback job with the New York Giants with Jim Sorgi landing on season-ending Injured Reserve.
I would not get too comfortable yet, though, if I was Bomar. Coach Tom Coughlin admitted Tuesday that the team has been considering available veterans, and will continue to do so as NFL teams trim their rosters to 53.
"Rhett is number two on the staff right now," Coughlin said. "it depends on what the availability and what the cost it. I'm not saying we're doing that, but our people are not caught by surprise by this. Our guys have been working on this for a couple of weeks."
Coughlin even hinted that a veteran quarterback could be in a Giants uniform before Thursday night's game against the New England Patriots.
"I don't know if anything is safe. I just think that we're investigating all of our options, whatever those options are," Coughlin said. "If it comes that the decision is made after the game, fine. If it comes that the decision is made before that, fine, but all of the options are open, of course. Depending on if he goes in there and plays well on Thursday night, we'll certainly have good evidence to think that he can do it."
Keep an eye on NFL roster cuts the next few days and see who becomes available.
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Good on both points
Glad to see someone young behind Manning. And he didn’t look horrible against the Squelers. I don’t really know who they could get as a back-up that we could all really feel comfortable with though. Chad Pennington if he gets released?
by Sarasota Giants on Aug 31, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd be happy to have Chad
He’s a gamer, he won’t pretend he’s “competing” with Eli or Bomar for that matter, he’ll be a great mentor to Rhett, he looks great in earphones with a clipboard, etc…
Pennington probably isn't going anywhere but hell yeah if he is available..
That would be a good aquisition..that guy is a brain..Bomar would learn alot, plus he brings such a great personality and fire to the locker room.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
love seeing these old nintendo game ads on here
Garcia and Batch might be available. Not sure why the dislike for Garcia. Dude has playoff experience and the fire that this team seems to need.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 31, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
no hate on garcia here
I live close to Tampa so I see a lot of Bucs games and I thought he always played well. He doesn’t make a lot of turnovers either which is always a positive
by Sarasota Giants on Aug 31, 2010 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Garcia
He has a UFL contract and is not available until the end of the UFL season.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 31, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
chad pennington
What are the odds that he makes the dolphins roster with 3 other quarterbacks?
by Sarasota Giants on Aug 31, 2010 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
3 other qbs?
That kid from West Virginia is not an NFL qb. Any idea what the dates are for the ufl season? I have no clue about that league.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 31, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Dolphins aren’t letting him go..no way..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
he has all at that
but the Giants are not a west coast offense team.
So he’d be a waste of a roster spot here.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Kerry Collins
Any news if he will be released? Always had a soft spot for him. Kinda like the loveable town drunk.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
Collins is
not a bad idea. I think he made a killing in Tennessee and we might be able to get him but I know some other teams were wondering if he was coming free.
People can say what they want but that guy delivered up a SB visit and lost to the best defense (my opinion) in NFL history.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Agreed, If not the best defense in NFL history then one of the best.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only think of the '85 Bears ...
as being scarier than the 2000 Ravens. ’85 Bears brought just ungodly pressure on the QB. Best front 7 of all time.
I'm with Shofner
’85 Bears. Period.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 1, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he would fit...
…we need to have an eye on someone. I have a similar injury as Sorgi’s, torn labrum. I can’t throw the ball like I used to without having surgery.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 31, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and he killed the Vikings
man that was a great game
+41
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Our '86 Giants were the best defense in history 'Big Blue Wrecking Crew'..hands down the best
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
+86
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
While the 86 team was great
I have to agree with the 85 bears or 2000 Ravens from earlier as being the best overall Defenses.
I'd put our 2007 Defense from Super Bowl XLII
Up against anybody.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Call Philly
I hear Vick is available. :) I love Pennington’s attitude, poise and intelligence but not much arm left. Collins, hot and cold but I guess as a backup, pretty good. How about seeing if we can coax Kurt Warner? Maybe Favre will want to retire and switch teams. OK, I’ll stop before I am banned.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
Pennington appeared to be a solid QB until that shoulder injury.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Even though he was on Jets, I always respected him and wished him well.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Leinart may be available...
According to profootballtalk he migh not have to just worry about the starting position. He may be moved off of the roster all together for several reasons. He and Ken Whisenhunt haven’t had the greatest connection and this may be a reality come Saturday.
by Robin's-meats-and-vegetables on Aug 31, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
+1
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's an ongoing joke
here at BBV. Someone a while ago posted something about our new MLB Bomar, and it turned in to a long running inside joke.
I think
it originated with him at runningback. The guy said he was really fast when he really wasn’t.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
It originated
with some dude claiming Bomar was here to be our “wildcat” QB.
I coulda swore it was
something like “Bomar has the size & tools to be a good RB”
I wish whoever came up with that would step up and take credit!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 1, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I remember too
QUICK! to the ARCHIVES!
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Tyler Thigpen
Obviously the Giants would have to give something up here, but seriously – if Eli goes down, does anyone feel comfortable with R.B. starting for a few games? I certainly don’t. Backup QB is a quandry: with teams like the Colts, they have to be very scared to go into a game with Curtis Painter taking meaningful snaps. On the other hand, you can’t overpay a backup QB….you simply can’t. And even within that paradox, by no means can you overpay two backups, a la the Dolphins. I think Miami considered that Pennington would have nothing left in the tank and that Pat White would show more than he has (take a look at this article for how disappointing PW has been). So with Pennington’s surprisingly efficient play, The Dolphins have an excellent mentor for Henne plus an emergency starter if Henne gets hurt or struggles. And that leaves Thigpen. Remember what this guy did in Kansas City? He can win a game or two for you and he won’t complain about riding the pine.
Unfortunately, this underscores a series of compounding mistakes by the Giants front office with the backup QB position:
- The GMen overvalued Andre Woodson and he was never able to convert on his talent or make something of his potential.
- The Giants let David Carr walk for nothing. Say what you will about Carr, but he is obviously one of the more talented backups in the NFL, at least in terms of NFL experience. Granted I realize that Carr wanted a shot to start and – and his mind, beating out Alex Smith has got to be a lot easier than beating out a Super Bowl MVP. Certainly can’t blame Carr for that, but I can blame the front office of the Giants for not trying harder to lock him up
- And lastly, its unfortunate that the Giants overvalued Sorgi and didn’t better address QB depth this offseason.
I see them waiting until final cuts before they actually address this position (to see what other players shake loose) – but I think we can all agree that if Eli has to sit for an extended period of time this team will struggle given the current backup QB picture.
cody....good to see you are still stopping by
I would make the argument that the Giants didn’t overvalue Sorgi….they simply got unlucky.
I thought Sorgi played well vs the Jets….made plays, took hits, hung in there….because of one of those hits he got hurt. I don’t see how the Giants coulda seen that one coming???
In regards to Carr….I agree, but like you said, he wanted to opportunity to start…or at least compete for the job. He’ll never have that in NY. You say you simply can’t over pay a backup….but than you say we should locked Carr up!?!?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I think he meant
You cannot pay too much in other words, pay as much as you have to, they are invaluable.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that's what I meant.
I meant that given the complexities of the salary cap structure, there is a VERY fine line between overpaying (and therefore hindering your ability to add depth at other positions) and perhaps underpaying, which may be what put the Giants into this predicament in the first place. I’m not privvy to the capologists and how much (in terms of %) should be allocated to a backup QB, so perhaps I’m way off base here. But all I am saying is that I would argue that teams like the Colts and Giants that have done little to address the backup QB position may get snakebitten at some point.
Or maybe not! The QB’s in the NFL today practically have red jerseys on them in terms of the hits that the opposing D’s can put on them. That’s why this is a tough one.
There was a good article on NFL.com about backup QBs
The complexities involved and the different approaches teams took with that backup slot and the dollar amounts associated with each type of move. Basically there are the teams whose backup QB is a young guy they are developing and could eiher have been a high dollar high draft pick or a low dollar later round guy (like Bomar). Then there are the teams that roll with what are known as the career backup QBs, the guys you expect to just manage games and hopefully only have to use to get through a short hump without hurting you too bad. Then there are the teams bringing in vets with starting and winning experience either because they want to have the mentor for a young starter or someone they can believe might actually keep them competitive. Those guys tend to be pricey comparitavely.
this is why
I for one am comfortable with Bomar.
1. Eli does not need a veteran mentoring him.
2. We can all pretty much agree that if Eli is out for an extended period, we are gonna have a pretty rough time.
3. He comes cheap (I have no idea of the real #’s)
4. He has looked “good enough” to maybe not completely ruin us.
Why not just go with Bomar for awhile and see what happens. Hopefully there will be a game or two (or more) where we are up and there’s a little garbage time action for this kid… who knows maybe he develops a little and we hold on to him or maybe we deal him next year.
Honestly though, if Eli is out for more than a few games, are any of those backups being discussed gonna do anything for us?
Go Big Blue!
I'm uncomfortable with that...
Bomar looks to be a year or so away from being a credible emergency replacement. What if Eli’s accident had happened during the season? I suspect we would be questioning Coughlin’s gamble to not have a backup to keep us in the hunt.
While I agree that Eli doesn’t need a mentor the prudent thing to do this year is get a QB who has enough NFL experience to weather the storm.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 1, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Link?
Interested in the article
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
It was a while back
Just recalling from memory. A search might turn something up.
Ah ok
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
thx andiamo708
Work has been absurd and I’ve had some relatively major changes in my personal life….
….but football is BACK BABY!! Which means I’m back too. Can’t wait to mix it up with you all this season.
And I sincerely look forward to butting heads with Ed V. (in a respecful fashion, natch)!!
LOL....I know you do Cody....
I also enjoy your anti Gilbride posts! They are absolutely classic.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
ohhhhh......
You better believe that I’m going to have some serious anti-Gilbride rants this season….
Even Ed will have to admit that 6 passes to Hedgecock will be 6 too many.
Funny, I was watching the NFL yearbook season review of the Giants a few days ago, and what play did they show to exhibit the Giants futility at the end of the season?
That’s right, the pass to Hedgecock that bounced off his chest in the critical 3rd and goal play (think it was against the Panthers? I don’t fully recollect). Yep. That’s our Gilbride.
Bradshaw
3x up the gut trying to get 1 yd when 260 lb Jacobs standing on the sideline???
Why to they still run draw plays up the middle with Bradshaw and try to run outside with Jacobs?
Partly Agree...
The dirty little secret on B Jacobs is that he isn’t that spectacular of a short-distance, inside the tackles runner. He’s SO big that its really hard for him to get low enough to grind out those 1-2 yards. And, last season at least, he wasn’t even hitting the holes that hard. So I’d feel much better with some combination of A Brown/A Bradshaw/G Johnson on the short yardage plays.
Jacobs shouldn’t be running outside though – I agree with you 100% there. He simply doesn’t have the speed to turn the corner. Jacobs is at his best when the line gets great push and Hedgecock (who was hurt last year, in his defense) can clear out that first LB’er. After that, B Jacobs can punish dudes in the 2nd level.
And Bradshaw is a surprisingly efficient runner between the tackles. He’s small enough and powerful enough to hit holes hard without the opposing D even knowing where he is. How many times have we seen Bradshaw make one cut and before anyone knows it he is past the LB’ers.
So I’m ok with Bradshaw running inside and even running on shart yardage. I’m not ok with a pitch to Jacobs though. He will never turn the corner (unfortunately).
That’s my biggest beef with Gilbride: generally speaking, he doesn’t cater to the strengths of the players on the field enough and he seems to be so stubborn and headstrong that he often tries to jam square pegs in round holes (forgive the cliche).
Yep
You are right about Jacobs, he is not a pile mover for some reason. He is at his best when he can hit a hole and just run over the second level with a head of steam. Once in the open field he does have surprising speed for such a big man but he lacks the initial burst. He’s like a locomotive.
I totally agree about Bradshaw too. Perfect example of him being small and shifty to get through was in the Raven game. He poked around the line and seemed like there was nothing there and he just stepped out almost undetected. He’s got good power for his size and I loved those stiff arms in the Raven game.
You hit the nail on the head with Gilbride not playing to guys’ strength too.
My biggest beef with Gilbride
Is that he is still on the Giants. He drives me crazy. His play calling is among the worst I have ever seen in the NFL. I also perceive a total lack of leadership. Maybe we can put him on the IR? :)
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs is too tall for short yards
At his height getting low enough in the pile on a short push is hard. He also seems to need to build a head of steam rather than being able to churn. At his size he can level smaller dudes, but at his height a DT is going to get leverage and just tip him back. I think the stretch is a good play for Jacobs because he can get a head of steam and hit the hole that opens moving at full throttle without having to be as quick to the corner as something like a pitch sweep. When he meets up with a LB his own size or better a smaller safety he can lay a smacking and bust something.
I’m not against Bradsaw on some short yardage, sometimes shifty works out good there and Bradshaw will churn and not give up on a run. I kind of like something other than a straight dive for Badshaw. It’s better with a shifty back like that to do something where he can get the ball a little more off the line and use his vision to pick his hole a squeek through.
Sometimes on the short yardage plays it’s hard to beat that short stout churning back who will slam into a stalled line and churn out that one yard even though the OL didn’t get its push, but I don’t think we have one of those guys on the squad.
lets just hope
that they have some plays in their pocket for regular season. I like the off tackle stuff for Big Jake, and I hope that they start using Bradshaw in some ways that really take advantage of his elusiveness.
Go Big Blue!
People aren't going to like when I say this
but the off tackle was Jacobs money play when Shockey was here. I know there is a lot of love for Boss, and I’m not dogging him at all (I also know there is some hate for Shockey), but in my opinion Shockey was a better run blocker than Boss. Jacobs looked pretty dominating when he ran off tackle to Shockey’s side.
Bradshaw in space is key for me. One of the few things that KG does that I like is some of the runs from shotgun like that shotgun pitch play. Bradshaw seems to not need a head of steam like you get out of the I and does very good when starting out in a more parallel movement to the line of scrimmage. He’s shifty, has great vision, and is explosive. About the only thing he doesn’t have is top end runaway speed. Oh, and for Pete’s sake throw the man screen pass or two!
Shockey was a better blocker
but the best year I’ve seen in a while (probably ever) from our Offensive Line was ’08. When Shockey was gone. when Snee pulled guard we could run left till the cows came home. We could also run right too behind McKenzie. We ran where ever we wanted. Inside the Tackles, outside the Tackles.
But now, with an Offensive line that IMO has already begun to deteriorate, a position like TE (in blocking situations) gets looked at even more. Which is fair….
What really worries me is that I wanted that Giants to get someone who could really spell Boss from those blocking assignments. I honestly thought Lee Vickers was going to make the squad last year b/c he was just that!
Pascoe while he does have a rep for blocking, is not Boss in that department. Chandler has more size but he’s been hurt the whole time. Beckum clearly can’t play on the line. We shoulda addressed this IMO
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
why keep Beckham?
This is why I can’t see keeping Beckham… We need a guy that can block right? Keep Pascoe just because “Bear” is such a cool name. And Hope that Chandler can get healthy?
Beckham = wasted pick
Go Big Blue!
that is just being stubborn
He wasn’t and isn’t a good fit… maybe if we weren’t overflowing with receivers…
Go Big Blue!
he might make more sense as a "slot" guy
but he also might be too slow….I never really understood this pick, but the sample size is miniscule, really….
I thought
that maybe they’d find a spot for him… like you said, maybe a slot guy or something, but we really seem all set at WR so what do you do with him? If they keep him I hope they can figure that out…
By the way I see a fellow SU fan… Go ’Cuse
I’m pretty sure they are giving away tix this year. I think if you buy a ticket you outta get two free beers and a hot dog…
Go Big Blue!
GO CUSE!!
In my high school football locker I had a huge fan poster of Marvin Graves! I was/am/will always be a huge Syracuse football (and hoops and lacrosse) fan.
He's an Hback....pure and simply
but we don’t use him like one. He’s never in the backfield and he’s lined up out wide more than he is in the slot. KG uses him like another WR which he’s not.
NYWINS made a post about putting Jacobs and AB split in the backfield…and I think that formation is begging for Beckum. If we could block up front.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
thats what I'm asking...
what do we do with him?… If they are planning to keep him around, are we going to see something from him or is he a “project” or what… Any use on ST’s? I guess you are right about injuries…
And I know that they aren’t going to drop the guy yet… but produce or be gone.
Go Big Blue!
He's not an H back
He can’t lead block. You have to lead block to be on the backfield. He is a spread O TE which isn’t much use in our offense. In JR’s tunnel vision he was brought in as another pass catcher in the year of grab every pass catcher in sight.
Hback...
Not Half Back
and Hback can line up practically anywhere….and doesn’t have to be a lead blocker. He can line up in the backfield, on the line, in the slot, or out wide.
Putting him in the backfield doesn’t make him a lead blocker by default….he can chip block….and help the Oline or just scamper out into the flat for a pass.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
H back
Is for “hybrid back” and is supposed to be a hybrid between a TE and a FB, so yes they need to lead block. People currently far too often misuse the term when referring to a receiving only TE. That is what happened with Beckum. When he was drafted everyone was calling him an H back, but really he is just a receiving TE like you see in all the college spread offenses. Essentially just a big slot receiver.
you can use an Hback basically anyway you want….meaning you could put him in a package where he can be a “lead” blocker….or you can use him in packages where he doesn’t have to block at all. Or you could use him in the backfield to chip someone.
the truth is, he’s being used strictly as a Big Slot Receiver….and KG using him in the slot and out wide, but never once put him in the backfield….so he’s pigeon holed him into that role….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Stubborn Successful
Fixed it.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting...
The man has been at the job for only four years now, and has already won a Super Bowl. WInning a Super Bowl is the only goal of this sport, and is something a vast majority of the other current GM’s in this league haven’t yet been able to accomplish.
Stub-born [stuhb-ern] – unreasonably obstinate; obstinately unmoving: a stubborn child.
Suc-cess-ful [suhk-ses-fuhl] – achieving or having achieved success.
I might be a homer, but damn that definition of successful seems pretty spot on.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The SB was his first year
That was Accorsi’s team not Reese’s. I’m not going to attribute that as Reese’s success. As time goes on the roster becomes less Accorsi and more Reese and we seem to be getting farther from the goal rather than closer.
true
but Resse’s 07 draft class showed up big for the postseason run when they were called on. But you are right, when the roster is mostly Reese’s guy, thats when we see great he is or is not
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Steve Smith
Ahamad Bradshaw, Kevin Boss, Aaron Ross, Kawika Mitchell, Domenik Hixon.
Would not have won the Super Bowl without them.
Would not have went 12-4 the next year and locked up home field throughout the playoffs.
Successful.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
U all make great points, I want to see the success continue for Resse for years to come.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's break that list down shall we
Bradshaw – I like Bradshaw, he is shifty and explosive. He has had his fair share of injury issues though. I’m hopeful this one actually turns put ok though and he’s done running around on busted feet.
Kevin Boss – He is an average to above average TE in this league. I know there is a lot of man love for him here, but let’s not over blow things. In our offense the TE isn’t asked to do much so we can get away with average. Shockey was better than Boss, but Reese felt fine dealing Shockey because he was ok with above average rather than stud at that position.
Aaron Ross – Guy has flashed all sorts of potential but has had serious durability issues.
Kawika Mitchell – Loved the guy. Why in the world did Reese let him walk when he had no replacement? Fail to Reese.
Hixon – Average to below average WR, I’d say below. Ok return man, but far from a stud return man.
You like so many attribute the SB and the following years solid season to Reese. I do not. Who did we have during those seasons who we don’t have now? That would be Spags. We won the superbowl due to a dominating defense. That defense had a lot more to do with Spags coaching than Reese’s drafting. It boggles my mind how so few acknowledge the significant drop in our teams overall play that coincided with Spags’ departure. No more dominating defense equalled having to play from behind and not having the advantage of time of possession. Our passing stats became gaudy because we were always in catchup mode but we couldn’t win games because we couldn’t established a balanced game and dictate Giants football.
In regards to K. Mitchell....
didn’t Buffalo throw a boat load of money at him? Kinda like what Oak did to Gibril Wilson?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
In regards to K. Mitchell....
didn’t Buffalo throw a boat load of money at him? Kinda like what Oak did to Gibril Wilson?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Now let's break down the list as it pertains to this little discussion we're having.
Ahamad Bradshaw – Led the team in rushing during the ’07 playoffs.
Kevin Boss – Filled the awfully large shoes left behind by one Jeremy Shockey, had the 30 yard catch and run that led to the Giants first TD of Super Bowl XLII.
Steve Smith – Played great ball in the playoffs, his third down catch on the final drive, and awareness to get to the first down marker led to Plaxico’s game winning TD on the very next play.
Kawika Mitchell – Was a huge contributor throughout the entire regular season, played a vital role in getting us to, and helping us win the Super Bowl.
Hixon – Agreed, nothign flashy, but a great piece to the puzzle added by Reese, and I bet it safe to say we both wish he was available this year.
Point being? Reese derves the credit he gets for putting together a successful Super Bowl team. First you want to give that credit to Accorsi, now you’d like to shift it over to Spags? Claiming the sole reason our team failed last year can be solely explained by his departure?
How would Spags have done with a one-winged Justin Tuck to go along with Johnson and Brown as are starting safties?
It boggles my mind how so many forget we started the season 5-0 last year, mostly heiled as the best team in the NFC, and did so riding the back of one Eli Manning who was unarguably the best quarterback in the entire league over that time span.
If the offense manages that type of consistency this year, and the defense can stay healthy while playing at an even average level, we are a playoff team.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a name for you
Michael Johnson. A guy most here now consider a bum yada yada, but had you asked these folks about him after the SB he was another one of Reese’s diamonds in the rough. It’s pretty funny you ask how Spags would do with Johnson and Brown as the starting safeties because you have obviously forgotten Johnson was a starting safety for us in the 2007 playoff run. Guess who started with him some of those games, Craig Dahl, do you even remember Craig Dahl? My point is 07 and 08 in my view had less to do with Reese being some magic talent finder and more to do with Spags being able to get the most out of the talent he hadathis disposal.
Yes we started 5-0 last year against chump teams. We looked like garbage when we played real teams.
I’m not saying Reese has done nothing right, I’m just saying he hasn’t done everything right like some want to believe and he gets way too much credit for things and not enough questions over bad moves. The fact of that matter is he didn’t build the team that won the SB, Accorsi did, so I’m not giving him that credit, and I’m not ready to credit him for diamonds in the rough when those players went back to looking like coal after a very skilled coach left.
Reese will get me in his corner if some of his moves start working out, but so far I’m unimpressed with the likes of Barden, Beckum, Sintim, and Canty. Right now I have to be skeptical of Reese because as the team becomes more filled with his players we seem to be deteriorating rather than improving. Accrosi built one of the best OLs in the league. Under Reese that has become a question mark for us. Guys like Bradshaw aren’t going to help us without good OL play. We won the SB on a nasty aggressive defense. Now that unit as a whole is a question mark. We are weak at LB, thin at CB, and confused on the DL.
I’m a Giants fan and want us to win games. I hope that by whatever stroke of magic that my concerns are nullified and we are dominant, but I’m not going to stick my head in the sand and bank on that. I’m sure as heck not going to bestow sainthood upon Reese for the accomplishments of others.
Fair enough.
When the Giants pull it together this year we’ll all be happy, and Jerry will be a big reason as to why.
If the O-Line continues to get banged up, the defensive line doesn’t play up to the talent we all know it should be able to, and the draft picks that I have been behind 100% (Nicks, Sintim, Beatty, JPP, Joseph) don’t pan out, than you can come back and say you told me so, but until thtat time.
In Reese I Trust.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 1, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Gibril Wilson and James Butler started in the playoffs?
I know Sam Madison and RW McQuarters had to fill in quite a bit during that stretch.
MJ was not starting in ’07 as a rookie. He was playing in Dime packages…sometimes Nickel.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Wilson and Butler were the starters that season
but due to some injuries down the stretch we saw MJ and Dahl in there instead. I did a quick check and my memory was a little off. It was week 14 not the playoffs that year when Dahl and MJ both started (and played very well). That was Dahl’s only start, he blew his knee out in the season finale. MJ had 5 starts in 2007. These two guys were originally used as proof of Reese being a god GM. A 7th rounder and a UDFA both rookies starting and shutting down McNabb was impressive, but now everyone thinks MJ is a chump… Same player different coach, who deserves the credit there Reese or Spags.
777....refresh my memory...
was it you the other day who said that JR was keeping Moss on the Roster so long b/c he drafted him, or b/c he was part of the decision making process behind that?
You give credit to Accorsi but wasn’t JR a part of his scouting department and eventually head of scouting? Who helped build that Oline?
Can’t call Reese out for Accorsi’s bad decisions and not give credit on the good decisions. Right?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Your stretching what I said to fit your logic
I was saying I was confused why Reese was hanging on to Moss so long. I noted that he was stubborn and clung to his own draft picks rather than admit he botched a pick. Since Moss was an Accorsi pick I said maybe he just doesn’t want to admit that a peronnel dept. he was part of botched it or maybe he had originally lobbied for the guy who knows. That’s very different than laying the blame for the pick on him. No matter who makes what recommendations within the scouting dept. it falls on the GM to make the final (and right) call in my mind.
gotta mention
Steve Smith too
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The team has been going backwards since Reese took over
Hes had some good picks, some guys who we wish to be good picks but haven’t and some guys who are at the moment look like busts
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 1, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Reese has been at the helm for 3 years
the first year they won the Super Bowl, the 2nd year they were regarded as the best team in the NFL, but faltered in the playoffs, and then of course 2009 happened.
So..no, they haven’t been going “backward” since he’s been here. This year will tell more to that, but the only thing they did was take a step back this year.
They weren’t exactly “trending forward” before Reese took over anyway.
cody is right....
they’re not going to cut a 3rd round draft pick. I know this is a “make or break” year….but the Giants see something there.
Consider this….last year, week 1 vs. Wash. The only other rookie to play in that game aside from Nicks was Travis Beckum (No receptions but played at least a handful of downs). Some say Coughlin is notorious for not playing rookies, so that to some could say a lot.
with that considered….he’s been absolutely plauged by injury. Obviously that’s not a good thing, but if the Giants see potential there, they may wanna stick it out.
IDK maybe nightmares of Visanthe Shiancoe are still there? But my gut tells me Becks is in the clear.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
The coughlin doesn't play rookies myth
Was disproven earlier by another poster who found some stats.
I never had a problem w/ that either...
in fact i’m glad it’s been disproved.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Found it
Notice in the comments how I got KILLED for this!
http://www.bigblueview.com/2009/9/21/1047010/the-death-of-the-screen-pass-open
Yup
There’s a little too much rabid homerism around here at times where you aren’t allowed to say anything bad about the team, players, coaches, or staff. As I always say I love my country but think there are a bunch of bafoons in it’s government. Like wise I can love my team and still see faults. Gotta love how in a post about a call for RB screen plays Ed V. Pointed out WR screen plays as if they are the same. Ed you get a big ole c’mon man! On that one.
the screen.....
I wrote literally an entire essay on the absence of screen passes from last year’s offense. It was ridiculous. How on earth does this team not run screen passes?? It drove me F@#$%^ING batty.
They do run them sometimes but they never work.
Because our OLine doesn’t run them well
Eli doesn’t execute them the right way either.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 31, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Bradshaw does run with a fair amount of power ...
for a guy his size. Dragged a Pats DT 5 Yds. in the Supe.
More importantly, on short yardage he can bounce it outside if the hole ain’t there. That’s BJ’s biggest limitation on 3rd and 1’s. If the OL is stuffed, so is he.
It was actually one of our OL pushing the two of them
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 1, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Not immediately
Bradshaw started the dragging solo.
Good thought
but I think Miami thinks pretty highly of him and will not be letting him go cheap if at all. I still think Sage Rosenfels could be had cheaper because I think the Vikings want to move him.
Sage would be fine....
I agree, Sage R can come in and give you some solid quarters.
I think this discussion merely underscores the serious lack of quality depth at the QB position in the NFL! How many guys out there have starting experience and can come in and give you quality starts? Not many, that’s for sure.
Does anyone know how much the Jets ended up paying for Brunell? Wasn’t he backing up Brees last year? Given the Coughlin connection from their Jacksonville days, one would think that M.B. would be a solid addition to the team.
Sage is backing up Tavaris Jackson ...
Read that over a time or two. That can’t be a good thing.
Bomar is fine as developmental (although that 3/4 to side arm style he’s been showing lately worries me a bit).
But what you want is someone who can start 3-4 games if Eli has a minor injury, and not lose ‘em all. The Pennington, Bulger, Brunell, Kitna types. Guys who have done it before, but may be past their prime so they’re fine with a back up role. Can’t say that Sage has ever really done it before.
Jackson becomes a FA at the end of the year
Sage is signed for another year or two. Some guy named Webb is getting all sorts of attention.
Childress seems locked in w Jackson. So he will find a way to get his contract extended. Jackson will sign becaise he did not sit on the pine for two years so Sage could be #1.
Webb is the wild card. If Childress thinks he is worth keeping Sage is available for w 6th or 7th. Webb reportedly will not make it thru waivers to the practice squad.
IMO Sage is the second best quarterbackon that team and if Bret crashes back to earth this year he might be the best QB in MN. Tavaris is a more polished version of Woodson but he does nothing extremely well. Pretty average back up caliber guy.
I'm guessing we'll find out about those MIN back-ups before year's end ...
I can’t imagine Farve (can’t spell it the other way) lasting a full 16 with that gimpy ankle. Wouldn’t be surprised if Chilly keeps 4 QB’s for a bit to see how Bret holds up in real action.
great points
its seems to be nothing new with Giants history when it comes to QBs, both backups and starters.
The book “50 greatest plays NYG” has a small section talking about the troubles the Gmen have had when it comes to QBs, being in free agency, trades and draft. After reading that, the era after Eli (hopefully a long time from now) may not be too good.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Good points here Cody...
But Carr may very well become available..It doesn’t look like him and the ‘moony loony’ Singletary hit it off well..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
it'd be nice
to have a good backup. But as it has been mentioned on this site, without Eli we’re screwed. So I’m down with Bomar.
This is an easy one
They signed Matt Cassell and gave up a lot to get him. You could argue that they should’ve rolled the dice with Thigpen (and I think one could make a strong argument there) but that’s why they let him go.
Pioli
Wanted HIS guy… not unlike a lot of regime changes. Think it was a stupid move. Cassel got lucky behind a great team with two sick receivers, one year wonder, overrated.
Brodie Croyle
KC drafted that guy and just seemed determined not to admit their mistake even though every time Thigpen played (which was a lot because Croyle is always hurt) he played well.
And like TNYFGB said, Pioli wanted his guy who looks like a flash in the pan right now.
Available Jet?
Kellen Clemens when asked if he got a fair shot in training camp his answer was " yeh, as the third QB" Giants are dead f Eli goes down. Clemens would be an improvement over our two backups.
The Fat A** With The Rocket Pass
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Well we'll have to see who becomes available..
I don’t see us winning at this with Bomar even though I like him and he is a gamer..Collins probably won’t get let go, Pennington won’t get let go..Carr who know our offense..I don’t know probably not..who knows..Eli isn’t going to get hurt anyway…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Veteran QB
I believe grabbing a smart veteran QB would be a great idea. It is always good to have an older QB on the sidelines with a clipboard because of his experience in the league, also if the QB has to come in and play he would understand his role: hand the ball off, protect the ball, and play-action passes.
So here's the question with adding another QB
if that’s the case….what do we do with Bomar?
Do we try to get him on the PS? Seems risky…
This is supposed to be a “statement” year…can we afford to carry 3 QBs?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Bomar will up his game
see what he’s been through just to get to the NFL…
he’ll stick, and he’ll be good
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I say run with 2
I think it has been stated enough that Eli is a key to our success. What do we expect our backup to do is the question. Do we need a veteran on the sidelines? Can we run with Bomar and hope that he develops. I think that we run with Eli and Bomar and use the spot for something else…
If we pickup a veteran then we get Bomar out there returning kicks…
Just kidding
Go Big Blue!
you runied it w/ "just kidding"....
shoulda just let it ride out….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Yeah man, that was perfect..let them ride don't admit your kidding..lol
Bomar is our official ‘Kilroy was here’ guy..He can do anything..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Screw back up QB's
If Eli goes down, so do the Giants.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 31, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
That seems to be a popular belief around here...
but it doesn’t jive with me, b/c I think this is the year that we right the ship and get back to being a “whole” team again…..not just relying on a QB to throw for 300 yards week in and week out. Should Eli miss anywhere from 1-3 games I would like to think that we have a shot at competing and winning 1 or 2 of those games.
so I think a competent backup is of need.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I have no clue....
but we’ll find out this week. Maybe no one turns up….they say Coughlin wants Sorgi to stick around to work w/ the QBs (clearly Bomar). They could very well be preparing for life with Rhett as the backup. But if someone becomes available….IDK.
And than you ask yourself….why carry 3 QBs when a position player could actually see the field or contribute on Special Teams.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Can Sorgi be "around"
I thought he would have to be gone if on IR… or is it OK for him to hang out as a “special consultant” to Rhett Bomar?
I’d like to see 2Qb’s carried and as far as I’m concerned, it can be Eli and some guy who happened to be walking by the stadium, because Eli is an ironman and won’t miss a game this season…
But. Why not let Bomar have the shot?
Btw- I didn’t expect you to pick the next # 2 QB, I just don’t know what the truly viable options are…
Go Big Blue!
I think he can be "around"
The Giants may not be flying him to games © Jeremy Shockey
but he can be around. He won’t be on the sidelines or anything….but Coughlin did say he wants him to work w/ the QBs, for whatever that’s worth.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
IR players
can be with the team but can’t pratice. I think they may be allowed on the sidelines (Osi was wearing his nice suit and trenchcoat during the playoff game). So I guess Sorgi will be around for film sessions with Rhett.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely
Eli is the captain of the ship. If he goes down, we go down, end of story.
This whole story of who is holding the clipboard behind him is meaningless. Whatever effort they put into that whole deal should be redirected to improving special teams.
In the days of old, you could play a ball control game and somebody like Hoss could come in and save your bacon. Nowadays, good luck beating Manning, Rivers, Brees and the like with your backup or Trent Dilfer.
I like Bomar just because he can run like hell if he has to.
If the Ravens can trade for a starting CB
Why in the world can’t we trade for a starting quality linebacker…..
The Ravens saw themselves as a contender and the loss of Foxworth hurt them bad. So they went out and made a deal getting of on the Seahawks starting corners.
Enough of this “we can’t”. If Giants management sees us as a legitimate contender, then go out and do something about it before we dig ourselves a hole we cannot get out of. IF this is a “rebuilding” year, then lets stand pat and watch the disaster in the middle of the D.
We have the compensation in hand – all we need is the guts to do it.
The thing is
Is there anyone out there that wants to trade a quality linebacker?
Besides the Giants already did overhaul the LBs. Last year we had Blackburn – Pierce – Clark.
I think the biggest problem is the coaching. The guys have no idea where to stand and who to cover. That is on Jim Herrmann.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 1, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Since Moss is now on (FU and your injury deal) IR...
Don’t you think we should throw the ball to Bomar?
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I think
they should start drawing up plays with Bomar in the wildcat and Beckham as the lead blocker on an end around.
Go Big Blue!
Beckham
as in David? Bend it like Travis Beckum
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
QBs
Look – while we all hope that Eli goes through the season unscathed, we have to deal with the possibility of injury. Giant management is going to look at everyone, and that is the right thing to do. If they come to the conclusion that no one available is an improvement over Bomar, then they roll the dice.
If Bomar has to play, that doesn’t mean we lose every game. It doesn’t mean the season is over. I remember a backup quarterback who took us to the superbowl and won. I also remember a guy name Dilfer winning a super bowl.
The rest of the team needs to step up, and you need to get very, very lucky…but anything can happen
Giants looking to trade for Leinart
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/09/report_matt_leinart_trade_talk.html
Whisenhunt is a chump
It’s pretty obvious that since Lienart was a leftover from the previous regime the whizz head never wanted him. He has pretty much setup Lienart to fail from the get go completely crippling his development. With all the garbage he pulled with putting him on the field then taking him off. Having Warner play parts of the game so the kid could never build a rhythm. It suck watching arrogant coaches ruin players careers like that just because they want him to fail out so they can bring in “their guy”.
in the words of the old cardnial regime
Leinart… he is who we thought he was!
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 1, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
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