'Kudos & Wet Willies': Get Down Off The Bridge Edition
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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Before we get to the 'Kudos & Wet Willies' analysis of Saturday night's 24-10 loss by our New York Giants to the Baltimore Ravens, I have to hand out a special 'honor'.
A super-sized, double-fisted 'Wet Willie' for all of you commenting in Saturday's Game Thread and in Sunday's posts who have already decided that the season is over, there is no hope, the Giants stink, the team needs a new quarterback, they don't do anything right, everyone should be fired, it has no guts, Jerry Reese has suddenly turned into Matt Millen and rooting for the Giants is a complete waste of time.
Get a grip, people. It's preseason. Yes, things did not go as well Saturday as many of you, coach Tom Coughlin and the Giants players wanted it to. But, all it really means is that the Giants are far from a finished product. Will they ever be finished? Will they be what we want them to be this season?
We don't know. There is no way to know -- the season has not begun yet. But, to write their epitaph while the 2010 Giants are still, technically, in the womb, is silly.
Have you noticed that the Colts, who went to the Super Bowl a year ago, are 0-3? I doubt Colts fans are ready to run Jim Caldwell and Peyton Manning out of town. Those Super Bowl-bound Jets (just ask 'em) are 1-2. Preseason results are, largely, meaningless.
When I say that I recognize fully that this has not, by any means, been a great preseason for the Giants. There are issues all over the place.
The offense is a mess. If you expected precision Saturday, I really don't know what you were basing that on. Eli Manning has missed time practice and game time. Most of the receivers have missed chunks of time. The offensive line is like a jumbo-sized game of 'Twister' with players shuffling from spot to spot.
Things will get better on that side of the ball, especially once the Giants settle on what their line will look like. They could go with a variety of configurations. The key right now, though, is to decide on one -- and figure out if Shaun O'Hara will be able to be part of it.
There have been good signs from running backs Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs, and the emergence of Victor Cruz. So, some good things.
The defense is still in an exploratory phase. Perry Fewell is still probing, moving players around, trying combinations, sometimes playing in ways he would not ordinarily play during the regular season, simply to find out what his players can and can't do. That is what you do in preseason.If the Giants are still getting gashed like that on short passes across the middle six or eight weeks from now, then I will be concerned.
I'm concerned about the cornerback depth. I am also concerned about the linebacker play, particularly in pass coverage. Again, though, I think some of that will settle down once the Giants decide once and for all who is in -- and who is out -- in their linebacker rotation. Once everyone knows for certain what they will be asked to do things should get better.
Besides, with a new coordinator and so many new parts on defense did you really expect things to be smooth sailing right from the beginning? Did you not learn from 2007, when Steve Spagnuolo's group was terrible the first two games before settling in and helping the Giants win a Super Bowl?
You should feel really good about the play of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka. Corey Webster has been excellent. Kenny Phillips is looking more and more comfortable. Michael Boley looks healthy. Good signs from a lot of guys.
The special teams are a work in progress. Matt Dodge still has growing pains to experience. The Giants still can't cover a kickoff, or return one.
All of these problems can be fixed. Will they be? We don't know, but it's too early to just throw in the towel.
I know, though, that some of you have already done that. You know who you are, whether you have voiced it in the comments or kept that opinion to yourself. You guys get special 'Wet Willie' recognition this week.
Now, on to the stuff you all really want to read about.
Kudos to ...
- Justin Tuck: His pair of sacks and the fact that he was buzzing around the quarterback the entire time he was in the game was probably the best thing to come out of the entire game Saturday.
- Corey Webster: An interception and a handful of passes defensed, though I don't know the exact number. The Giants played a lot of man-to-man Saturday, and Webster thrived in it.
- Shawn Andrews: For a guy who had not played in two years, and who had only been around for a week, Andrews did a very nice job at left guard in the second half. The offensive line is still unsettled, but if Andrews can build off that he could depose Rich Seubert and help the power running game inside the tackles we see the Giants struggle with so often.
- Matt Dodge: Nine kicks and only one that I thought was poor. The rookie even ripped a 74-yarder, had a punt caught inside the 20 and one that should have been downed. He also had a good hold on a high snap for a Lawrence Tynes field goal. A step in the right direction for the heavily-scrutinized punter.
- Rocky Bernard: If the Giants have to cut someone from their defensive line stockpile, I would be stunned if it was the veteran tackle. A pair of sacks and three tackles Saturday, following a nice goal line stop the week before. There's a little life in Bernard yet.
- Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw: Jacobs showed he can still get it done when he can get square to the line of scrimmage with a head of steam, ripping off a 30-yard run in the first half. The run, by the way, came on a stretch play -- my absolute favorite play call for Jacobs. It allows him to build a head of steam, get to the edge, get his shoulders square and start dishing out punishment. Bradshaw had just 22 yards on seven carries, but pretty much every single one of those yards he got on his own.
Wet Willies to ...
- Every cornerback not named Corey Webster: Tom Coughlin said the Giants played more man-to-man than they normally would simply to find out more about players like Seth Williams, D.J. Johnson and Courtney Brown. I think they found out that none of those guys are NFL-caliber players. I will do one final 53-man roster projection this week, and I guarantee I am leaving one spot open for the veteran cornerback the Giants absolutely must add to this team.
- Antrel Rolle: Don't care about the seven tackles. I care about all the passes completed with the Giants' biggest free-agent acquisition late to arrive. Don't want to hear his whining about the late-hit penalty he received, either. I know years ago the hit would have been applauded. Not now, though. The ball was clearly incomplete, and Rolle had time to recognize that before delivering a hit.
- Jonathan Goff: The young middle linebacker was getting his Antonio Pierce on Saturday night, and I'm not talking about the good Antonio of his early years. I'm talking about the old, slow AP who got abused in pass coverage. Goff has done a lot of good things thus far in the preseason, but if he keeps looking that clueless in pass coverage he is going to accomplish one more thing, a very bad one. He will wind up tagged with the nickname C.C. Brown left behind, 'Can't Cover.'
- Will Beatty: Played the first half on the right side in place of Kareem 'Migraine' McKenzie, and was not good. Missed a couple of blocks and missed an assignment on a blitz. Whether he is the starting left tackle Week 1 or not the Giants will need Beatty this season, and if he is needed on the right side he has to figure out a way to get the job done over there.
- Kickoff return and kickoff coverage: The Giants averaged 17 yards per return and gave up 32 yards per return. That's a lot of field position to surrender during the course of a game. Thought Tim Brown was going to break one kickoff return, but it looked like he lost his footing just a step or two before breaking into the clear.
Kwillies to ...
I won't do this every week, but there are a couple of players who fell into this category Saturday. Basically, these are guys who did things that actually helped both teams.
- Rhett Bomar: For me, Bomar (10-for-20, 140 yards, 1 TD) has done enough to displace sore-shouldered Jim Sorgi. He was far from perfect Saturday with a couple of erratic throws and a couple of situation where he held the ball too long in the pocket, but there is some ability there. The Giants should continue to nurture it.
- Tim Brown: Couple of decent punt returns (13-yard average on two tries), but he fell and missed an opportunity for a big play on one return and foolishly tried to run a kickoff back from five yards deep in the end zone. He barely got past the 10-yard line. I can't blame the guy for trying, since he knows he has to make a big play to have a shot at a roster spot. Judgment also counts, however.
- Victor Cruz: Four catches for 76 yards and a touchdown. He dropped an easy ball over the middle, though, and was not good at all on special teams. As a gunner on the outside a number of times, Cruz was never able to get past the double team and get down the field to get involved in the coverage. I know we are excited about his skills as a receiver, but he has shown absolutely nothing in terms of being able to help the Giants on special teams -- a place he will have to find a role.
I probably missed a couple along the way. Feel free to add your own thoughts.
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It must be a NY thing..
All the ups and downs and doom and gloom of the fan experience.
How did linval Joseph and JPP look?
by pataroons on Aug 30, 2010 6:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
JPP didn't play
But saw Joseph’s jersey involved in a couple tackles at the line of scrimmage. The dude is BIG.
That would be great
Cause JPP has already flashed the goods
did I miss something
What fan said the season was over? it’s like unless you only say good things about the giants you’re a traitor and gave up on your team…unless I just skipped pass it, I didn’t see a single fan say the season was over. But one thing I have noticed is you’re really not allowed to say negative things in here, unless you preface it with something like “even though I think the we will go 15-1…”
the postgame thread has a few
comments about changing the coaching staff and how Eli needs to go. Thats not concern about the team, which most fans believe there is… thats giving up on a year before it starts, which is uncalled for.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen plenty of dissenting opinion
But you have to expect a response to negativity on a Giants blog
But what wrong with that
Why can’t someone have a dissenting opinion about the giants? personally, I think we’re one of the best teams in the league, but I’m not happy at with what I’ve seen so far.
My point was that dissent on a site packed with fans
Is likely to draw a response.
Blood in the water draws the sharks sort of thing?
I'm not sure who that was
And I’m not doubting you saw it, but the only comments I saw about the coaches, unless I’m mistaken, was FreeBradshaw making a joke about getting rid of the coughlin. But Ed made it seem as though there are a lot of people doing that, and I didn’t see that. I just saw people showing the same disgust that coughlin had after the game, and I don’t think tom has given up on the season yet.
Not just an NY thing
Down in Dallas the doom and gloom patrol is out in full force as well.
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Sep 1, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
At least SOME defensive players played well enough to stand out
that in itself is a complete 180 from last year at the end of the year. So that’s something to build off of.
Bernard showed why they signed him too, he can push the pocket. Really intrigued with the DL.
And since when do the friggin Ravens throw that much to their WR? I dunno about anyone else but that team last year was about 80% run the football last year, and the other 20% was screen passes to Ray Rice. How the hell do you prepare for that?
Still think that by week 1, the team will look a lot better. I too like what I saw from Andrews, and yea..maybe he could supplant someone and start. If he’s back to normal, having him, O’hara and Snee is like having the ALl-Pro team in the middle for us.
OL problems? LOL! Put Mack on the Right and I’d guess Diehl on the left, and you got hte best OL in football. Jacobs will be having a field day.
I agree..I was surprised about the Ravens...
Passing so much…and so were our guys…also the no huddle..they weren’t ready to handle that..but it did prove what Ed mentioned, Williams..Johnson and Brown can’t play man-to-man. The only thing they can cover is their eyes when the ball comes their way.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Love that
“The only thing they can cover is their eyes when the ball comes their way.” LOL!
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
that is a beautiful thing
“cover their eyes”…perfect
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
OL problems? LOL! Put Mack on the Right and I’d guess Diehl on the left, and you got hte best OL in football. Jacobs will be having a field day.
That’s the best thing I’ve heard in a while. Just getting through the growing pains of preseason. Pray for good health.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 30, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
With few exceptions..
I thought the team looked pathetic especially given it was game 3….The sacks were nice, but they got burned by the passing game, and on offense the line couldn’t open a hole…Also, I am tired of all this ‘Vanilla’ talk..they should at this point begin showing they can execut e more efficiently and effectively..I don’t mind the experimenting, I understand you don’t want to show all your cards, but geez show you are getting a grasp and that you can play…Tommorrow they cut down to 75…Wonder who is going to go?
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Cuts
I doubt it will be anyone significant. At least, not this time.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still on the bridge......
Please do me a favor……..if McKenzie gets a headache during the regular season games, give him a couple of frigin Tylenols and send him back in….OK?
i get migraines
they’re brutal.. honestly.. you are a waste when you have a migraine… hurts to even open your eyes.. no WAY you can play football. percy harvin has missed games for them too… lets just hope this doesnt turn into a frequent occurance with mckenzie
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 30, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
ever thought of what it would feel like to
stick a pencil through your eye back into your head, the place the end of it to a bass speaker so that whaenever there was a sound you’d feel it. That’s a migraine, I don’t blame anybody for missing time with that.
If you can't look at pre-season action as an indicator of anything ...
then I don’t know why any of us would even bother to watch. We could have the pre-season be done in London and Mexico City and just keep the 16 game season.
Things I’m feeling good about: DL, Bradshaw, C-Web, Rolle (such an improvement over last year), maybe KP being healthy and Cruz as the fun training camp story, even if he winds up on the Practice Squad. Also, the fact that the rest of the NFC East has bigger OL issues than we do, assuming our starters are ready to go.
Things I’m nervous about: LB’s, pass protection, D’s blitz package, O’s short yardage package, and mostly the zone coverage scheme (hope it doesn’t take long to gel, like 2007). I’m having nightmares of Witten converting a ton of 3rd and 10’s just sitting down in the zone seams.
Oh, and I really don't care about the W-L aspect of pre-season ...
just how the 1’s do vs. the other team’s 1’s. What happens in the scrubs-on-scrubs time is irrelevant. May be fun to watch, but that’s it. Maybe looking for a Cruz or two to pop out of nowhere.
That’s why I can’t help but be a little bit concerned in the “final tune-up” 3rd pre-season game if you are white-washed in the first half. My guess is there are similar concerns in Dallas after their effort Sat. night.
lions were 4-0 in preseason
the year they went 0-16.. yea preseason means nothing
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 30, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it's an indicator
It is not, however, reason to write off the season already. That’s the point I was trying to make. There are things to be concerned about and things to feel good about, but let’s not draw any hard conclusions. Lots of football to be played
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Special Teams ...
Man, those are horrid. Obviously the personnel is up in the air a bit, as we don’t know who is getting cut and who is going to play ST, but it’s been well below avg. for a few years now.
Yes indeed they are..big problem..
I am still holding out hope for Tiny Tim on the return team, but he isn’t going to making a decent gunner on kick coverage, he’s too small..He was getting blown out like a birthday candle.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hard to judge
With so many regular players out and with Fewel experimenting I couldn’t really get a feel for what the Defense or Offense were trying to do. The 2nd,3rd and 4th and one no problem the other team knew there wouldn’t be a QB sneak with Eli in there, but the O-line must get better and the LBs have to cover better. Preseason is what it is preseason and the time you want to make mistakes and the G-men made plenty but they have a long week after last preseason game to get ready for Carolina. I agree that we have to pick up some secondary help and maybe a return guy but I’m still optimistic that the G-men will make the playoffs this season-anyone watch the steelers w/o ben, leftwich is going to get killed.
Yeah..
The starters you would expect to execute better by now..The second and third stringers are out there to be evaluated..However, obviously they haven’t even decided on a starting group on either side of the ball..I suspect they are getting close to making those decisions..and yes your right about Dallas..They are in far worse shape offensively than we are..I watched both games and they are sputtering..Their defense looks good though..according to Phillips, they were just playing what they call their ‘base’ defense..so I expect they’ll be tough again this year…but that offense? Our guys are playing far better, albiet they some concerns also to address.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
its monday
And I predicted this post was coming last week
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
by andiamo708 on Aug 30, 2010 8:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
BTW, I'm surprised no one is giving me props for calling this post....
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Tell me I didn't call it though....right down to the exact day!!!!
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
(**looks right...looks left......shrugs, hits "X" and checks e-mail)
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Well someone acknowledged my comment and gave me a +1. I think it was 56 or realLT.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
by andiamo708 on Aug 30, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
AHEM:
Prediction…. the majority of BBVers will calm down, relax, wait until this weekend….
and by Monday Morning Ed will have to do another one of these posts….because it will be a feeding frenzy again.
“If I’m curt, then I apologize” – Newman
by andiamo708 on Aug 25, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
by andiamo708 on Aug 30, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was MSP who gave me the +1
just in case you’re keeping score at home.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Rec'd
For tooting your own horn.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Was not able...
to see the game. But, from reading every available recap and looking at the stats, I can conclude it was fairly ugly for the Giants. Glad I missed it. I will say this, though, I remember three years ago we looked fairly ugly in preseaon and then looked extremely sharp in the first game vs. the Skins. It was as if two completely different teams were playing in preseason and regular season. I am not at all panicing. In fact, let these guys make the mistakes now and not in week 1.
Dj Johnson
Does not get a wet willie. He played his best game on Saturday. He wasn’t the problem as much as williams and brown
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
by andiamo708 on Aug 30, 2010 8:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In my mind
their is only one DJ, and he is posthumously in the basketball hall of fame, deservedly so!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm about ready to jump, and here's why.....
While I admit that throwing the season down the toilet at this point is a bit much, those poo-pooing the Giants performance to this point are either blind or just want to have a “competitive” team. I would contend our goal is to win a Championship, period. The NFC does not have any one juggernaut team in it, this team has as much talent throughout as any:
At the point of the 3rd preseason, here is what we are suppose to see. Much of the try this, try that thing starts going out the window. Teams start playing their first teamers more in an effort to develop continuity, to get a positive feeling about performing well so that when the seaon starts we are in gear.
1) The Giants have not fielded a single OL combination in front of Eli that will probably resemble what they will start with. They have tried to hand the job to Beatty, he has failed. They have tried to give Diehl the guard job, he was terrible, Whimper is a backup who is on the way out. I realize that when the season starts we will probably put the same old lineup out there that has played so many times, but expecting them to “flip the switch”, play and be effective is patently ridiculous. Good OL play demands reps and continuity. Sure, injuries have played a big part in that but it is what it is.
2) But the most egregious depressing thing here is we all KNEW what the Giants achilles was going into this offseason. The Linebackers. The DL was compromised last year due to injuries and it was a logical assumption that if Canty came back healthy and Bernard did not have an injury those guys would be better, add Cofield, add Linval and we are ok. I agree with that and think it will be the case. The loss/decline of Pierce killed us. The Giants drafted Dillard, and then I suppose after they knew they were getting in deep do-do signed Bulluck. Typically, guys with major knee injuries are not effective or full strength til the second year back from the injury.
The Giants drafted a developmental DE on the team with a glut of DE’s, and ignored a glaring need on D – I can only assume because they over-evaluated the talent at that position but if thats the case why are they continually trying to make Kiwi a linebacker!! They KNEW they were going to be in trouble, then they finally signed Bulluck. I will not understand why they did not trade Osi before the draft and try to do something at LB, and the hip thing is just ridiculous, a farce. “i’m not sure I want to get it fixed”, please.
3) The special teams are a joke all the way thru. They stunk last year but we keep the same coach and players on the coverage teams…. why would we think they would improve.
In watching preseason games, what is typical is you play your first teamers a few drives, they look good, and then you put your scrubs in and you lose the game – big deal….. We put out first teamers out there and they get stomped, and then we put in our scrubs and they score here or there because of Cruz – its different.
In summary to say “its only preseason, don’t worry” is extremist on the other end of the spectrum. This team has looked terrible to this point with two tough games to start that are likely to put us in a hole in a tough division. Yeah, I will admit, I am very concerned and pessimistic – I think there is reason – a reason that was glaring and required attention in the offseason. Not to say thay anyone they would draft or get would necessarily be the answer – but rather the take that “we will be fine with Sintim, Goff, Wilkinson et al” to me it looks like they were really wrong. I hope Bullucks knee holds up, from what I see on tape Sintim, Goff, Wilinson, Kehl are not starters and its likely to cost Coughlin his job.
Very well put
May I add that healthy OL or not, the fact the Gilbride still has any job or any sort in the NFL ( especially since the Giants have had, what? 4 defensive co-ordinators while Gilbride has been dumbing down the offense) continues to amaze me.
Much of the rot and the root of Giant malaise must be laid at his doorstep and by association then at Coughlin’s feet. A tiny bit of offensive imagination and/or creativity might have helped the offense stay on the field more than 2 minutes at a time and might then have aided the defense.
Just ruminating………………
I find it comical
preseason game or not, three times going for for one yard, let’s give it to our
195 lb. tailback, geez I guess a 265 lb+ tailback can’t get the job done?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs loves to get dinged up tho
probably purposefully keeping big boy limited.
As he showed with that big run against Baltimore, the speed and explosion is there.
He’ll be ready to get the job done when there’s a job to be done.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Madden always said, you have to make the decision to go on 4th down, on 3rd
Because it will influence your play call.
If they knew they were going for it on 4th, the move would have been to split AB and a TE out as a WR, see if you can cause an offsides or a mistake.
You can always linebuck again on 4th down.
But hey, why not run the same play 3 times in a row.
Actually
I was commenting about our creative OC, Killdrive, not on Jacobs.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, my bad.
kill away at Killdrive then
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Most likely
that is also one of those ‘preseason’ situations where the Giants called it that way to see if they could get it done … not because they would call it exactly that way in a regular game.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
they found out, didn’t they. Not when you use a 195 lb. tailback.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 31, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh!
And how many times have we seen Jacobs unable to get that yard? It’s not about who the running back was, it’s about the fact that the Giants could not block the play.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend.
You could cut ties with the offensive line, and Gerris Wilkinson.
And if you do not want to see Eli again I would understand.
I would understand.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
frickin' Tito stikes again....
I’m not gonna lie, I had that album…hey I was in high school…..
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Hahaha
I actually saw them at HOB a couple months back, would have been a great show if not for the underage couple basically having sex in front of me while pouring red wine all over my girlfriend at the time. Had to open up a (verbal) can.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
had to read the post aloud to realize what song it was. Not gonna lie, I still have the album
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's your sense of adventure...let him jump!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
rec'd.
only question is if we should check the backpack for the parachute? Or fill it with wrenches?
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We DO have a new Special Teams coach, silly!!
He’s just been here 5 damn years is all..give the guy a break, will ya?..Takes time.. his brilliant coverage and return schemes haven’t sunk in yet…Can you imagine the amount of film study required of that superior rookie coached unit?..“There he is go get’im !!!!”..or “Lookie, there’s the ball..run it back !!!”..That is some seriously intense stuff right there..I am amazed they have made so much progress..Better stop..the ‘Sarcasm Meter’ is going off the scale..haha
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I also
think the Andre Brown experiment as a kickoff returner should be put to rest, need to scour the waiver wire to find one, I believe.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying
’Don’t worry.’ Saying don’t give up and write off the season.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
could be much worse
GB put up 59 points on Indy. I could only imagine the reaction around here if that happened to the Gmen.
14 guys injured, but mostly minor injuries. We’ll be better during the regular season for sure.
Beatty has failed?
Explain please. I will freely admit he had a poor performance overall on the right side, although he sealed the line beautifully on Jacobs 30 yarder. But the first two games he was a rock on the left side. Please explain how this constitutes a “failure”.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was very dissapointed on Saturday night.
I will continue to hold hope that the product we see in Pre-season, will not remotely resemble the product we see in the regular season.
Go Big Blue.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions
How did Alford play?
Missed the game. Who woke up Rocky Bernard? He has made it more of a battle w/ Tollfson for that last DL slot.
DE- Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, JPP
DT – Cofield, Canty, Linval, Alford
9th? IMO Rocky or Tollfson. Unless Alford is not back from surgery.
The Kids Are Alright – no bridge jumping yet. Wait until Sept is over…THEN get worried if they are not on track by then.
my internet feed died during the Ravens drive for their first TD
I think that was for the best.
As for the negativity and doom & gloom… being concerned is warranted at this point, but the amount of “that’s it, the season’s a wash so get ready for the draft” mentality is so premature it is ridiculous. Could the Giants go 4-12? For sure. Might they start the year with 5 straight losses? Definitely a possibility. However, until they are stagnating in the bottom of the standings and suffer a glut of injuries, there is no need to go overboard. They have not lost a game that matters just yet (and when they do lose some regular season games, hopefully each and every one is not the mammoth harbinger of the complete collapse of the mental will of our more negative fanbase).
this place is getting weird man
are we allowed to be negative in any sense, or is it just like a ’don’t criticize the organization if you value your safety’ thing? clearly there’s some over-reactions going on, definitely there’s some guys looking at this game as a bigger deal than it is, I agree with Ed and Free and everyone else on that.
Don’t you guys think there’s also a bit of an over-reaction to the criticism? I think most guys (not all) are being reasonable saying there’s some alarming holes on the team, not talking about W’s or L’s in preseason, just individual snaps or series. The way some have reacted to the negative observations… man it’s tough wading through the bad sarcastic jokes, they were funny maybe the first time. The other thousand have just seemed overly sensitive, grow thicker skin.
Anyway, the football part of this isn’t terrible. I was at the Ravens game, and there was clearly a lot of 2-man and 1-man, makes sense that we’d get torched a bit by slot receivers if Fewell was testing things out. The area of concern to me is the backs and TE"s success, because the LB’s we saw are gonna have to play, and they are shaky in coverage (not Boley) which is something we knew coming in.
Luckily the DL has a lot of potential, and the secondary is gonna be good but maybe a bit shallow. No need to worry too much, but yeah definitely a couple of concerns in the seams.
See, that is how to do it
You are not proclaiming the falling of the sky, but actually discussing (rationally) the faults if the team (a lot of which can be at least partially agreed to by most parties).
+1
Really Ed, what’s the deal with the ostrich routine? Yes, there are some folks who are overly negative, but it seems more and more around here the vibe is stick your head in the sand and ignore reality. I’m not sure how many more times I can read the word ‘vanilla’. At some point you have to stop making excuses and start analyzing what’s going on in front of you. Losing a preseason game means nothing, but let’s not pretend like there are not plenty of warnign signs to be concerned about. I’m sure this is where I get a sarcastic response from someone like Free.
Excuses?
I didn’t think I was making excuses. I think I said there are obviously issues that need to be addressed. I also said it’s way too early for the ‘the season is lost’ doom and gloom. That’s all. My head is not in the sand.
As for the sarcasm, let’s all lay off each other a little bit. Remember why everybody came here in the first place, and let’s not wreck it.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps
it is just the quantity of posts lately that are focused on or contain a lot of the “don’t overreact” or “get off the ledge” type message that are leaving me with a bit of a rose colored glasses impression. I guess my thought is everyone has their own view point, and some will always trend to the upside and some the down. I’m just not sure we need a weekly talking to about cheering up. I’d opt for just a respectful discussion of football where it is understood some are going to focus on glimmers of hope and others might worry about signs of trouble, but it’s all valid in its own way.
Exactly
At 50+ years young, I don’t look at any sports teams I like with rose colored glasses
anymore. I said on Saturday (about 8 hours before kickoff) that this team is not ready to start this season, does that mean they will go 4-12, or 6-10. I said I don’t expect them to get off to a good start, and they are probably “staring” at an 0-2 start for a variety of reasons.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be officially in "panic" mode ...
if we start 0-1. The Panthers have 42 possessions without a single TD this pre-season. Don’t care if it’s “just pre-season”. That is putrid. And it’s a home game.
Yeah..If they don't whoop the Panthers..We'll be in deep Yogurt right out of the gate..
I just hope it is my flavor..I kinda like the blueberry myself…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Rasberry
Dannon.
Fruit on the Bottom.
If you can’t get down with that you’re a sick individual.
Go Big Blue!
lol
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah Blueberry Dannon...If the Blue can't play..
Stir them up and at least have a healthy snack..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
seriously?
I guess we’re all ready for some real football if we’ve been reduced to talking about yogurt… Not that preseason isn’t completely relevant and a great predictor of what the entire year will be and all…
Although, gotta say only a serious fan bases his preference of yogurt on his team’s colors.
Go Big Blue!
I prefer Go-Gurt...
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
or...
yogurt that go
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
but thats your first line
and i’m eating reeses cups and microwaved chinese food at 12:29 on a tuesday morning, so you can imagine what state of mind i’m currently in.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
good to have a laugh though
Your 3rd Eye Blind blows this out of the water though.
I’ve gotta go get some Reese’s or something now.
Go Big Blue!
haha i watched Yes Man
over the weekend…always crack up during the part when he sings Jumper.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
haha awesome
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Panthers
seem to play well in the swamps of NJ, if you recall. Beaten us two out of the
last three times, we were fortunate that D. Ward ran wild to get by them at the end of 2008 to clinch homefield. It did not do us any good in retrospect,
but I won’t go there.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 31, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's wait
until the real games start before we start waving the red flag.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Anybody know what happened to Tuck's shoulder?
I swear I thought he popped it out again in the first half. When he walked off the field, I thought, thats it shut him down for the game. I was pissed when I saw him back in there, thinking he was toughing it out for that meaningless game. But, I wasnt pleasantly surprised on his sack a couple plays later. I’m assuming it was just a stinger or something and that it wasnt a big deal.
As for standing on the ledge… I’m not even close. Didn’t Ed just write a piece about over analyzing all the negatives and how we should all lighten up? I agree the game was pretty lousy, but there were definite bright spots as well. There were alot of guys out with injuries that would have made a big impact. Those guys have two full weeks to get rested and ready for the games that count. When these are the results after they have a healthier team and are actually game planning for the opposition, then get worried.
Guys can be negative on here, which is fine. I think Ed is just trying to inject some reality and perspective to those that might be focusing too much on the negative aspects of this preseason. It’s preseason! Have faith men.
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
“…and are actually game planning for the opposition…”
Based upon his past preformance, does anyone have a feel for Fewell’s ability to make changes during the game, when the gameplan doesn’t work as discussed in the meeting room?
Over the past few years, we"ve all seen the lack of ability to make adjustments during the game on both sides of the ball. I hope Fewell can put an end to that habit on defense atleast.
Tuck didn't hurt his shoulder
I thought it was as well, but they were looking at his hand and the talking heads said they just taped two of his fingers together and sent him back out.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
First Post
Wow, my first post here after reading for quite a while. What to say?
1. Hey rocwynn, go talk 2 yourself on your own site.
2. I listened to the game on Sirius so I had to listen to the Raven broadcast. Just brutal. They never mentioned a Giant’s players name. They would announce that flacco got sacked but not by whom. Very frustrating.
3.If our defensive line has improved ( I think it has ) then that should help our Linebackers quite a bit. How about Kiwi at MLB?
4.I can’t get enough of the Cowboys problems but I sort of want McNabb to play against them in the opener… then get hurt.
5. Nice to be here amongst friends!
"The Cowboys Still SUCK"
Welcome Mt
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes welcome Mt
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
ncie to meet ya
Usually Sirius plays BOTH broadcasts so you can hear guys who share your bias. Guess they cut back for preseason, that sucks…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 30, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea MT
listening to those Ravens Broadcasters was brutal, dude thought TC was our OC, WTF…….. they also never showed P. Fewell or spoke about him, every play that the ravens missed was cause of something they did wrong as oppose to something we did right…….it was not good to listen to at all……………….. Hey Ed! cut Rolle some slack on that “late hit”, you do not knw how hard it is to pull up when you have a head of steam!!, it looked like he tried to stop his momentum but couldnt, he needed to have better positioning and depth on some of the completions but hey this is preseason right??? and lets not discount how much having SUPER MAN back will help Rolle.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Maybe, Blue
But his whining about it bugged me. As did the fact that he had a tough night in coverage.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha
I might have felt the same if i saw him whining , no place for that
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
two thoughts
My one thought on Rolle and I think it was Webster, was that both of them said that the Defense was unprepared for the no-huddle offense( Gee, maybe the Giants could try that sometime- not inventive, but, Heck, different look at least).
My comment is, after two of three times, couldn’t this defense adjust? It never did. Meaning, I guess, couldn’t Rolle have adjusted to that, as well as to my comment below? The hit he made didn’t bother me, and I’m not sure that anyone could have stopped the subsequent TD pass. At least he was close to the receiver.
The other thought has to do with Ravens’ success over the middle. Admittedly a problem for yeasr with teh Giants, but that was blatant and, again, can’t they adjust, somehow?
Listening
to the “Q” was a bit much, these preseason broadcasts have taken on a narcissistic approach to broadcasting to a another level.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's NYWINS?
wasn’t he the one who made the fanpost about putting AB And Jacobs in the backfield?
I saw just that on Saturday….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Didn't turn out so hot though...
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
A growing trend for this preseason with the RBS...
Wedy interesting….
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm right here!!!
Had to watch a choppy live feed online and didn’t see that. I’m seeing that didn’t work out to well (read AT ALL)
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
well I gotta give you props for bringing it up
it doesn’t work out too well but that usually tends to happen when the Oline doesn’t’ block anyone….
but they were clearly going to pass the ball from that formation….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
For real...
At times I thought I was going to get sacked in my living room.
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
Now I saw it...
Ended up with Eli getting hammered at the 1 yrd line. Ugly…very ugly…but you had a split backfield with Jacobs running a slip-screen and Bradshaw screened to the flat would be dangerous…but Eli needs to be able to take a 5 step drop (instead of 5 steps and getting dropped)
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
Joseph
I’d give Joseph a Kudos just for making me laugh on that sack of his. It was hilarious watching a man of that size hopping on the quarterback like that.
Yeah, I took the game with a grain of salt and really didn’t focus on much beyond how dumb Eli’s new helmet looks. I will say though that Special Teams will be our biggest weakness this season. We really need better coverage or we’re going to get torn to shreds on field position whether or not Dodge booms it 60 yards.
My Assesment
OFFENSEThe Giants offense is very stagnant and life less, Manningham looks like he doesnt care about football right now, even though he has had some bad passes thrown to him, his effort is horrible…….Why would they have an undersized, super athletic OL like Beatty on the right side and a huge but not so athletic OL like Diehl on the left??, was this not the perfect opportunity to have Diehl in at LG and Beatty in at LT, why was whimper in in game 3??, andrews couldve slid to RT or somethin, that was not an advantageous or realistic coaching desicion………the O line needs continuity, the running game was fine IMO but the WR’s need to get it together both Nicks and Smith need to step it up and they will!!!!
DEFENSE
IMO all this shuffling is seems to be confusing the LB’s, you can see it in their faces in the interviews…..Bulluck looked bad in pass coverage, something that he excels at, on the other hand Sintim looked excellent in his back pedal, stick and drive, he damn near knocked over the whole Ravens OL with an A gap bull rush……he needs to be back starting asap, the shuffling is slowing his progression, I disagree with Ed about Goff not playing well in coverage, he is doing well but he needs to get a little better, Bulluck should be getting snaps at MLB not SAM………. The DL played good, Tuck is the man of course and why does everyone keep mentioning Rocky Bernard’s play last year? he was injured and had no strength in his upper body,why do you people keep disrespecting one of the most dominant DT in the last ten years how do you give others a pass and not him?? get real people!!……BTW fred robbins is looking goood!!, love ya Fred…….Secondary, the Brown guy has to go, he seems to get more and more playing time the worst he does….. Corey is looking like he might have an Island named after him this year, cant wait for TT and Ross to join the fun.
I still have faith, all the nay sayers need to remember its still preaseason, the offense needs to have more energy and consistency but then again they played the same last year…………….please do not be fooled by the 4000 yrds Eli put up, this offense was extremely stagnant, i am waiting for Gilbride to amp it up a bit, hope he is just hiding his hand until the panthers come to town, Oh yea we better get it together b/c even though peppers is gone that defense is looking illegal.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
did you notice?
Hey, Blue Gates, did you notice who one of the biggest contributors to the Panthers’ defense is this year? So far.
Eric Moore.
Yes, the ex-Giant, Eric Moore.
Just goes to show you….
Yeah he is doing very well
I also noticed that Dan Connor did well enough for them to move Beason outside, I thought connor would never live up to his billing but he proved me wrong……………..also another interesting thing i noticed about the Panthers and the Titans as well as the Pats, they let their young defenders get acclimated to a position and they let them make mistakes, it seems like TC wants perfection out the gate from our defenders who are being shuffled around but the reason that they are not perfecting anything is because of the shuffling, the Giants have to be more decisive, you cant have a mass rotation at every position, it does not work like that. players are creatures of repitition.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Good points
Also that the Giants passed on both Conner and Beason, as I recall.
No need to guess
it has to be Tuck, Webster, Beatty, Eli, and Boley if we are to even sniff the playoffs lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Hahaha!..you read my mind!
We should probably just go ahead and get to 53…Osi, Kiwi, Ross, Phillips, Rolle, Jacobs, Bradshaw, Ware, Canty, Diehl, Snee, Shuebert, McKenzie, Smith, MM, Nicks, Barden, Joseph, JPP, Tynes, Dodge, Bomar….That ought to do it..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
My guesses...
Jacob Bender, Jerome Johnson, Dennis Landolt, Nyan Boateng, Seth Williams
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds pretty good....
just 1 question…who the heck is dennis landolt?!?! LOL You are true blue my friend….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
New York Giants #70 – Offensive Tackle
Born: 1986/10/15 Age: 23
Height: 6-4 Weight: 306
School: Penn State
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
you may be right
But there was a defensive player, quite slim, playing with #70, and it was he who hit Tracy by mistake, dislocating his elbow.
He is Al Franken's brother-in-law
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Darned if I know..lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Actually I think Larry nailed it...
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hey larry
That Brown guy has to go as well
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
I assume you mean Courtney...
His time will come. I think with all the DBs banged up, he is still servicable to take some practice reps.
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
just thinking out loud
Boateng survive this round because he could beat out Calhoun
Seth Williams def goes.
I could see Jerome Johnson hanging around….for another week
And something tells me Bender may beat out Herb Taylor.
ultimately all of these guys will be gone in two weeks…..but it’s interesting to see who goes first.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Just a thought, but...
The 1st team struggled against the Jets BUT the Giants won that game. That game was billed as a showdown at the New Meadowlands (Giants Stadium in reality) and we pulled it together and won. That game “meant something”, we won, and I’m thankful.
All I need is that the Giants show up and compete when the time comes. As long as the team doesn’t wilt when pushed into the spotlight, we as fans should give unwavering support.
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
The Ravens clearly took advantage of the fact that Ross and Thomas weren’t playing. Yes they threw more often but a lot of that was going 3-4 wide. Guys like Courtney Brown won’t be lining up on Anquan Boldin during the regular season so I’m not stressed.
The D-line has been very good and I think Osi in particular is having a strong preseason and I’d be surprised if he isn’t starting . Goff is also a 2 down guy in the middle he was getting mrdered by the RBs out the backfield
by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Courtney Brown
seeing and hearing how bad this guy is made me want CC Brown back. Then I had someone punch me in the face, then the stomach, then the face again… to get me out of that stupid phase.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He is
about as good Courtney Cox would be at DB, him and Johnson won’t be around for opener.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey I figured out how to get production out of JPP immediately...
Just line him up facing away from the offensive line..I’ve coined it the ‘Back-flip Formation’..when the ball gets snapped, he can flip his way all the way to the QB…Also effective against the run because his arse will land right on top of the RBs head…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
goff is terrible
you never see him knife through the line and make a stop in the backfield. Many running plays he gets caught up in the flow of people and becomes a bystander. He just doesn’t have that killer instinct…
Dallas Cowboys
I am a True Blue Giant fan living in Dallas, so unfortunately (maybe fortunately after how it sounded) I couldn’t get the game so I ended up watching Dallas. If you want to worry a little less about BIG BLUE look how the Cowgirls have been playing and the media is chewing them up down here!!! to my enjoyment…. I will never ever lose faith again after the 2007 season…. we were on the brink of 0-3, got pounded on the first two game and look what happened… GO GIANTS!!!
by BigBluefaninTexas on Aug 30, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah I mentioned that a couple of times..I watched that game..
Dallas has major problems on offense, the problems our guys have pale in comparison to the mess they are in..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
green bay has it figured out
59 points vs. the Colts. I don’t think the Colts D is that bad, but GB’s offense is that good. Aaron Rodgers looks incredibly confident. Eli needs to shake off the rust and get it going.
NFC East won’t be as dominant this year. I think Gmen finish 1st or 2nd in the division. Probably 2nd. Might be good enough for a wild card.
Yeah Green Bay looked awfully good..The Vikings are going to have their hands full..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Aaron Rodgers
and Flacco have looked impressive, in fact I think Flacco has moved ahead of Matt Ryan from that QB class. Rodgers is becoming a top five QB, moves well.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
I think Green Bay is going to be compared to the Colts or Saints from last year. Aaron Rodgers definitely confident and he should be…the kid is really all you could ask for in a QB.
That said…Tynes still kicks the NY Giants to the Superbowl if we meet again in the playoffs.
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower."
well said
Giants fans stuck with the D giving up 80 points in two weeks in 2007, this is nothing compared to that. If we are gonna judge the NFC east teams now, Rex Grossman looks like the best QB, I think it is safe to say that will change.
PS. sorry you gotta deal with cowboy fans on a daily basis, I lived in philly for 4 years so I know what it is like to be in enemy territory.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
overall
i’m still optimistic for the season. none of the other nfc east teams have impressive offensive lines, and once the gmen jell they’re gonna roll…as long as they stay healthy of course…
pretty sure
that we still have not seen the 11 offensive and 11 defensive starters on the field together. Until we see the group that will go to battle on sundays, then I will judge how bad they look. The sad part is, because of injuries, I have no idea when we are going to see all the starters, hopefully week 1.
As fans we should worry about the secondary, the O-line, special teams, etc. But I have been hearing a lot of doom and gloom all weekend. That is a little over the top. Every team is 0-0 right now, at least wait till after the panther game to judge.
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions
After rewatching the game yesterday
things did not seem as bad to me. Without going into detail, we showed more on offense than
I had first thought, and essentially the same with the defense. Obviously, we’ve got to iron out the OL confusion, and trust that the insane number of injuries will be greatly reduced. Every team has weaknesses. I still think this team can win games. I have to.
I think we knew even going into the pre-season ...
that this was one of those years when it could go either way, anwhere from 7-9 to 12-4 IMO. New coordinator, good talent but not a lot of depth for injuries at some key spots, etc.
I think we were all just hoping for an indication that it was going to be more of a Roman thumbs up than thumbs down from the final tune-up game. Disappointing, but not the end of the world. DAL, PHI and WAS in similar situation. Not expecting them to fold up their tents either.
2007 was the classic case of “it can go either way” heading into the season, and it went farther in the right direction than any of us could have hoped for, so let’s keep a postive attitude.
Preseason
Remember that much fellas. Imo once the coaching staff decides who will be the starting 11 on the offensive and defensive side of the ball continuity will come. This team is not last years team. The defense quit on Sheridan in preseason last year. Perry is just seeing who can ball and who cant. If we are 0-4 after September I will panic. 16 game season is a long one. take some valium smoke a doob and calm down.
Hahaha!!!..Pass the bong around boys, we'll wakeup opening day all "Red-eyed and Bushy-tailed"..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
How about his one...
“I tried smoking pot, and didn’t like it”….“And (finger pointing) never had sex with that woman..never…now I NEED to get back to my job..ROOTING FOR THE GIANTS”
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Someone
please explain to me what is a “double fisted wet willie”?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
A double fisted 'wet willy' means you can play with yourself with both hands inside you 'wet' shorts...simple as that
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
LOL!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Geez
Bobbi, I really wish you hadn’t gone there. Let’s just say that connotation of ‘Wet Willie’ is not what we’re going for.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Ed..hahaha..ooops I'm er, getting serious..mmmm..hick-up..mmm..I apologize..
Yes, whew!! that was inappropriate..definite personal (oh my God HAHAHA) foul….The ruling on the field is a 15 second penalty and number 99 won’t make it to first base tonight..haha..Sorry I’m not really, really laughing this is a serious violation..okay gotta leave this one here hahaha.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Preseason is Meaningless
In the preseason the Giants were 0-4 for one of their Super Bowl season.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Beatty has looked good at LT
He is clearly not a guy you can move around without hiccups
Maybe
Beatty Andrews O’Hara Snee Diehl
is the best group??
McKenzie aside from his migrane has been a rock..the rock of the OL in this long grueling preseason
I don’t think he’s earned a demotion.
The best overall line may be that, but McKenzie subbed for Diehl at RT, but Diehl ain’t gonna sit..not happening.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed 100% disagree
regarding the Antrel Rolle penalty. I DVRed the game. I watched that play in real time speed a few times. There’s no chance any player in the NFL, running full speed, can prevent that hit. It’s just impossible. Players just can’t stop from 60 to 0 in one step.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
yea
I seen the ball pretty much pop out as Rolle layed the hit. Maybe it was cuz it was helmet to helmet (was it?).
But if the hit itself was clean, it wasn’t a penalty. That wasn’t a defenseless receiver by any means.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't helmet to helmet.
And I agree with Frank, don’t see how he could have stopped that quickly..when he was on his way in, it looked like the ball was going to be caught.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
but the guy was bobbling the ball
i mean, i was for the penalty when they made it helmet to helmet, or a clearly defenseless wr.. but what are they going with the call now? He could have caught the daym ball if he wasnt hit. Defenseless is when the ball has skipped the ground, or sails above and/orbeyond the reach of the receiver. right?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I know...
And I agree with any and all attempts to make the game safer for players, but in this particular instance…I just don’t see how he could have played it any different without giving up on what could have potentially been a first down play, that’s all I’m saying.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't
used his shoulder pads, but in the “new” NFL, they will call it.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think we are complaining ...
that Rolle got flagged for an unfair interpretation of the rule. My fear is that this is exactly how they are going to call it all the time. People are going to be freaking out in every NFL city when it is called in a crucial situation.
DB’s just can’t decide to hit the guy only after the ball is dropped. It’s like a QB hit after they release the ball but the DE doesn’t take an extra step. As long as it’s not helmet to helmet or at the knees or below, it’s not a penalty. This should be no different.
Eli
I thought Eli looked a bit tentative in this game and that perhaps both lines played a bit conservatively while he was on the field to protect his head. I was happy to see Jacobs get to be the beast we all love and I thought Steve Smith looked pretty good.
My fingers are crossed that Perry and Kevin are just keeping things under wraps until opening day. It still believe! Go Giants!
Perry is....
I can’t speak for the other one….I really don’t think there is any cognitive thought process that goes into his decision making.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
It's called
“rusty” for a reason, he hasn’t played, Eli is the least of my concerns on this team, although
his stupid brain fart is the reason he is “rusty”.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I fully admit I got carried away with snarky comments last night
and I apologize to the general community about that. But irrational comments and arguments are infuriating. Little facts like the coaches are experimenting, and these games don’t actually determine how your season turns out, are blithely ignored in a rush to judgement. When someone tries to argue that Eli is the problem for this offense, and past success doesn’t matter because this preseason has been terrible, I don’t feel like you can respond in a rational manner because there is no rational statement to respond to. Or when someone says they are not commenting until the end of the season because they already have it fixed in their mind that this season is going to be a disaster. When this person is already counting down the days until they can triumphantly return to the kudos and acclaim for having foreseen this catastrophe, I don’t see how you can rationally discuss anything with that person.
The point is not that anyone who thinks the Giants won’t go 15-1 is wrong and will be mocked, it’s exactly the opposite. The point is that they will NOT go 15-1 and win every game by 35-3, so stop getting so damned depressed and outraged when things don’t happen perfectly at every opportunity. The point is that some people are realistic enough to see the potential for 9-11 wins and a playoff run, which will NOT occur without some bumps on the way. So just relax and wait until the season is in full swing before passing final judgement. I think that’s all Ed is asking for. Not a “head in the sand” approach, but a “Hey let’s wait until we’re actually imbedded in meaningful competition before we make up our minds” approach.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 30, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
well said
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I didn't take offense to your comments bigblue..
What does ‘snarky’ mean anyway?…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I just got tired of people
overusing “sarcasm” as a negative adjective.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 30, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I took some of your responses to me personally, but..
after I sat back and thought about it for a while I realized that I spoke out of anger and probably said some things that WERE irrational. I still don’t think Eli is the man for the job but hey that just my opinion. Some of you may agree and some of you may not. I understand. No lost lost.
The biggest problem that I had with this team was the fact that they never seemed to respond when the Ravens attacked them. The Ravens pretty much had their way with us and never once did we step up in terms of play and show the Ravens that we had the ability to stop them if we wanted to. This was with our starters on the field.
This doesn’t mean that the Giants will be a bad team this year but the our bad performance in the last 3 games is definitely microcosmic to a larger problem that we have not become aware of yet if there is one. Based on this reasoning I have concluded that the probability of substandard regular season results is more is more probable then not. HOWEVER, I COULD BE WRONG.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Again dude
what job? The job of winning Super Bowls? He’s already accomplished that job. The job of winning more games than they lose when he’s the starter? Again, he’s accomplished that already. We can argue about how badly we view the team’s performances in meaningless games and I don’t have any issue with that. I really just don’t understand how you can look at what is one of the strongest positions we have and just declare it unsuitable with no rational explanation or facts to back it up. That’s what was irritating me to no end. Irrational statements made irregardless of supporting evidence belongs in the realm of politics, not important things like football.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 30, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Had this dicussion too many times. Not again.
I have stated my reasons why I thought this was the case and I am tired of going through it over and over and over again. But if you missed it, Tito posted a fanpost titled “Eli Manning is Elite” You will find what you are looking for there.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I missed that one
so in fairness I went back and checked. Let me summarize your reasons if I may:
1) Eli has only made one clutch play to Tyree. Apparently the throw to Boss and the TD to Burress were not clutch. Fair enough
2) Eli was despised in NY before the SB. I guess only popular QB’s are clutch winners. That explains why Peyton has so many more Super Bowl wins.
3) His wins can be attributed to many other players stepping up their game, but never Eli. Well football is a team sport.
4) He has a dumb look on his face when things don’t go well. I literally have no response to this statement as a correlation to his ability to play QB.
5) He is not his brother. I guess we’re screwed until someone figures out a way to clone Peyton. But then what’s to stop every other team from doing the same thing? Damn!
6) You give two examples of times when Eli has failed. One time he was hurt, the second article states four problems with the Giants passing game (poor throws, bad calls, dropped balls, and bad blocking) Exactly one of those four is Eli’s fault, yet all four combine to make him look worse than he should be. But at least that was a real football argument.
7) Amani Toomer sometimes caught balls from Eli that were uncatchable. If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? If a ball is uncatchable, can it actually be caught?
You probably think I’m dogging you personally, but I don’t know you from Adam and I’m sure in person you’re a great guy. What I am pointing out is that you put your opinion out in a public forum, and have not backed up your opinion with one fact. Quite the opposite, you ignore genuine data that proves your opinion wrong. An opinion is not sacrosanct, and anyone who refuses to adjust their opinion to accomodate facts and data is being willfully ignorant.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 30, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What? willfully ignorant? Not at all, its more like "Cautious Control" look it up. Also, I have backed up my opinion with fact but not by your standard of what you think the facts are.
Stats are the “facts and data” that I believe you are looking for. You won’t get them from me because I don’t trust statistics and never have. I published a fanpost regarding statistics and whether they actually reflect the true skills of a player. In that post I made my stance quite clear. I tried to take it down by hitting the delete button when it stopped getting hits. I later realized afterwards that I had completely deleted it and now it is lost. There were some sound explanations for and against my claim.
I don’t religiously follow, nor do I trust, statistics because there is no way to determine if they represent the reality of the game or a player’s performance; especially in a business where the success of the marketing and promoting of a player depends on the player’s statistical reputation. Were you there when the numbers were documented. How do you know that the summation of the stats aren’t the product of am arbitrary process? How do you know that they are?
My judgement of the performance of the players of this game is based on what I see. You asked me on more then one occasion what did I mean by “the man for the job” Here are some explanations. What I mean is a player who can bark in the ear of his teammates and compel them to step up their game when circumstance demands this. A QB who responds in the most dire of circumstances to ensure that the momentum of a game stays balanced if not in the favor of his team. Eli did that once in the ’07 SB. A QB who can stand in the face of a strong pass rush and see a play through to its completion and take a hit if necessary. A player who lives up to the hype that he helped create.
My way of thinking doesn’t make me less of a fan than you are. Just a more skeptical one thats all. I conclude that your argument is based on an emotional empathy that you have with Eli for whatever reason. One SB for a QB of his acclaimed caliber, in my opinion serves to indicate that the praise that he receives is not justified. I could and want to say more but I think you get my point so I will leave my argument here.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Id like to know who u think is the man for the job because honestly eli has performed very well at home with swirling winds yeah he may not be his brother stat wise but then again u dont like stats anyway yet he has the same amount of superbowl wins and mvps in less years and his best games have been in the playoffs he doesnt get rattled often and he doesnt have in problem standing in the pocket and making plays when hes being pressured (see winning drive of super bowl) and hes not a diva sorry if he doesnt voice himself much but would u rather everytime he gets hit or a reciever drops a ball he throws a hissy fit then people would hate him for being a cry baby see ( cutler)
by gianthawk34 on Aug 31, 2010 2:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Football stats are pretty cut and dry
the football starts at the line of scrimmage, say the Giants’ 30 yard line. Eli drops back to pass and throws a completion to Smith. When Smith is tackled, the ball is placed at the nearest hashmark. Lets say this hashmark is at the Gians’ 47 yard line. Eli is credited with 1 completion for 17 yards. Lets say on the next play, he completes a pass to Nicks and Nicks carries the ball across the opposing team’s goal line. Eli is credited with 1 completion for 53 yards and 1 TD. Total stats 2-2, 70 yds and 1 TD. Since I watched every single Giants game last year, then yes, when I see a combination of plays like that, and then read that statline on the official NFL site, I trust those numbers. Those are incontrovertible facts, not my “gut feelings”. My argument is based on scientific data, not emotional empathy. Your judgement as it’s listed above is made up of a number of completely non-measurable parameters, so there literally is no way to argue with it because I am trying to argue with your state of mind. I apologize for starting this whole thread. Just please answer the following three questions. If you are watching these performances with so much skepticism that you cannot enjoy watching a SB winning QB, then what is the point of being a fan? Are you so scared that the Giants might have a losing season that you can’t allow for any optimism? Since a Rapistberger or Peyton for Eli trade is never going to happen, what is the possible reward you can get out of the experience of watching the Giants? I’m not being sarcastic here, I am honestly confused.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 31, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind bigbluethruandthru, please speak your mind. Thats what I want you to do. I hope this helps in clarifying.
Being a non-fan of a player does not negate being a fan of a team (Organization). I was a fan before Eli arrived. I am a fan now. I will be a fan when Eli leaves. Yes, I am afraid that the Giants may have a losing season. They represent the the area that I have called home for over 25 years. By all means, I want them to be successful.
I often criticize Eli for the decisions that he makes on the field but I do think that he deserves credit for the positive contributions that he made which aided in the culmination of one SB victory. Now, I want to see another. Lead this team to another SB and get me another ring Eli and you will have no more problems from me.
The possible reward(s) I can get is being proven right when I say the Giants are good and being proven wrong when I say the Giants are bad. I get the most joy from the latter. Also, the mixed emotions of reverence, respect, dread, and wonder that I get; inspired the by authority, genius, grace, beauty, sublimity, and might factors that present themselves during the course of the game entertains me at varying degrees; particularly when the Giants are the source of those qualities.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Now this is the best answer I've seen so far
Thank you. I realize we are all Giants fans, but sometimes people’s attitudes puzzle me. I work with alot of fellow fans, and some of them are so gloomy from Wednesday to Sunday like they are afraid of getting their hopes up in case they are disappointed. I’d rather be filled with hope every week (or satisfied when a playoff spot is clinched), because it gives me something to look forward to all week. If someone is so convinced the team is going to be bad that they can’t allow themselves a glimmer of optimism, why bother watching the games in the first place? I thought you were in that category and if you’re not I apologize. I also hope your not in the category of people who try to be the first to predict disaster so they can come back later and tell everyone “see, I told you so! I was right the whole time!”
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 31, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, even if the Giants do prove me right when I say they are bad, I wouldn't do that.
I do understand the same thing that you do when it comes to having something to look forward to. I would voice my dissatisfaction identify who I think the source of the problem is and state my solution but AI would rub something like that in the fans face. As you read my comments in the future, you will see.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 1, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
So a QB has to do exactly what to show that he's "the man for the job"
If winning the Super bowl is not “the job” what is?
Looking “more prepared” and at the top of his game at the end of August? Oh..Ok then.
I really hope Eli is never the man for that job..that is, until 2012 when the games do indeed count.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if Eli is Elite or not
but I do know he’s the perfect man for this Job. I don’t think Ben or Rivers would have lasted a year here.
The love for Eli is alive on this board.
I respect your opinion though, and in no way do I agree with bigbluthruandthru that you are being “willfully ignorant”. I personally think you have brought just as much evidence to support your opinion as to why you feel Eli Manning is not the man for the job here in New York, but I don’t know if ever got your thoughts as to who you think would perform better under the exact same/very similar circumstances.
Care to share?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Why Big Ben of course.
(Bracing for impact)
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2010 8:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well played my friend
for once I have no response. I am literally speechless.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 31, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha
I like you man.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
big ben is too wild for nyc
the nightlife here would have eaten him up. That’s something us NYers have to consider with our professional athletes. Also, remember Kurt warner was here when Eli first got here and the team stunk. That’s a much different situation than big ben was in when he got to Pitt. A good team with a journeyman QB. Big Ben also has an abrasive, in your face attitude. So do the math. Big Ben + Shockey + Tiki + Strahan + Team absolutely stinks + NY fans. Be honest, do you still get the same results? I don’t think so. I think right now, we’d have been looking to draft a QB in the first round.
Same could be said about Rivers.
The way Eli carries himself off the field is almost as important as his on-field contributions.
New York is a different animal, the pressure has broken much stronger men than Rothelisberger/Rivers.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear you, and respect your opinion
but if we waited for meaning full games before we gave our opinions, there’d be 5 posts on here rather than 200+. Its one of the main reasons I come here, for intellectual debate. I’m a transplant from Giantsfootballblog. And for the first couple years, I mostly just read the comments, without commenting myself. I really like the arguments. But now, you’re not allowed to do that anymore. So if someone feels like Eli is the problem, let him have his say. But instead, if you look at your second paragraph you say “relax and wait until the season is in full swing before passing final judgement.” but who says they’re passing final judgement just for saying I don’t like this aspect of the giants game, or every aspect of the giants game for that matter. Make the argument that shows how that person is wrong to shut them up, instead of just saying shut up and casting them as quitters and traitors. I get annoyed when I see someone say that they’re unhappy with the defense, and someone jumps on them telling they’re not real fans and quit on the team.
So here’s my official opinion. I expect the Gmen to go 11-5 but no worse than 10-6. I’m not worried about their offense. I think they’ll be fine in spite of Killdrive. Their def still worries me though. I haven’t seen or heard anything that gives me confidence that the new DC has fixed the problems. In fact, I’ve seen all the same problems I saw last year. Tuck is playing well, but when asked for comment, he didn’t credit Fewell like he did Spagnuolo, he credited his heath. I watched every other team blitz us to death, yet we didn’t do the same. Instead, we have Goff backpedalling like crazy and RBs and TEs catching balls in from of him all day. The DEF looks incompetent, not reserved. There’s a difference. That being said, I still think the team will play well, because we went 8-8 last year with one of the worse Def in the history of the franchise, and even still lost a couple of last min games (SD and ARI) that could have put us in the playoffs. So yes, we’ll be fine. But I’m still gonna bitch and moan about areas I’m not happy with. It’s comments like mine and yours that makes this the best Giants blog on the web.
by maculis on Aug 30, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+2
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
When someone says
that they believe the season will end up a losing one based on the evidence of three games that don’t actually count in the standings, that sounds like passing final judgement. Giving an opinion with no factual evidence to back it up is not intellectual debate. For example, if I said “I saw that the sky turned a shade of orange during sunset last night, so therefore I think that the sky is always orange in color.” You could show me many forms of evidence that the sky may be orange on occasion, but in fact it is usually blue, sometimes gray, and very dark at night. I reply, “no, based on what I saw that time I believe the sky is orange and that is my opinion. In fact, I saw it happen again, so that is my evidence” That is not an intellectual debate, and hopefully you would not respect my opinion very much.
Let’s look and an actual football argument. Barry Sanders vs Emmitt Smith, best RB ever. You can compare similar stats such as yds gained, YPC, how many TD’s scored, winning % of the teams each played on, # of championships won. Once the baseline of facts is established, THEN you can argue over styles, toughness, etc. as to how those make up the best RB ever. And then someone throws Jim Brown or Walter Payton into the mix. That is an intellectual argument.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 31, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
from what i've seen
when someone does say that, they are basing it on factual evidence. The final score doesn’t matter at all. What does matter is how the team plays. So when someone says, “I don’t think the cowboys will have as good a season as everyone thinks because their line looks like crap”. They’re basing that opinion on how they’ve played during the preseason. And that’s what some on here are saying about the giants. Forget the final scores, I’m looking at performance, and I’m not impressed. I can’t speak for others though, just infer from their comments.
+1
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns game in 08
The reactions from some people over this preseason game is 100x worse than in 08 when we got obliterated in Cleveland on Monday night. I realize things were a little different with our roster, but still, that was a prime time, regular season game to show our stuff and it was embarrassing in every facet. We responded with what, 7 or 8 straight and if it wasn’t for that so and so, we’d have back to back championships…sorry, still a little upset about that…
Anyway, my point is, like the majority, we got holes, but at this point, very few look completely polished and perfect. We’re not expected to do much, which should bode well when, regardless of what some may say, I still feel we contend for the East.
Two simple predictions to bring hope
1. Despite the OL uncertainty, we will run the ball effectively this year with 3 healthy RB’s. That means more 8 in the box. That means more 1 on 1 with our much improved WR’s. That means better O and more consistency.
2. Despite our ?‘s with LB and some secondary play, our pass rush will be relentless, and like 07 (playoffs) said pass rush will help cover (pun intended) up the ?’s.
With that said, I’m going golfing, where I can this positivity into dismal negativity.
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
yes!!!
I was trying to think of a regular season loss when reactions from the papers, radio and fans is totally shadowed by the reactions to this PRE-SEASON loss. Good call on that.
Since when is a lose in the 3rd pre-season game more important then a blowout loss in national primetime game in the middle of the year against a really bad team?
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's not a fair comparison
but I remember after that ass whooping thinking, oh well, at least they got that outta their system, back to business. And that’s exactly what happened.
It’s funny I’m trying to look on the bright side, being quite pessimistic by nature. Come on though, we’ve still got a good chunk of the core that won the Super Bowl not 3 years ago against a “perfect” opponent.
I am glad most are still with us. I may not post much, but read every day and love the fan base here. I honestly can’t deal with the “fans” of other well known Giants blogs/sites. To me being a fan is like family. Be attentive, informed and quite critical, but always with hopes of improving and wishing the best. To be so negative and proud of it, just be a fan of a shitty garbage team. You’ll always have that chance to be negative, cause your team will always give you something to bitch about, like say, Dallas :)
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Aug 30, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Eureka!!..You solved the equation...
We are simply overlooking our pre-season opponents and looking too far ahead…that’s a good thing..because not far ahead is the regular season and we’ll have already gotten that ‘overlooking’ out of our systems…pass the bong please..“Phewwwwipp..thanks man”…..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
This is off he charts
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha!!..that's awesome!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
we all gotta have some fun
too many of us are at high levels of anger, depression, etc. Football is still just fun and games in the end.
That being said… if the Giants have another bad year I will be really pissed and break alot of things!!
"It's easy being a winner in the pros. Try winning two high school basketball championships, like I did" - Cooper Manning
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with one point.
I really see no difference between the hit that Pace put on Manning in the Jets game and what Rolle did to Clayton the other night. Both players that got hit on those plays were “defenseless” and the defender hit them to seperate them from the ball.
That was a clean hit, but the NFL wants to slowly phase defense out of the game so whatever. What was Rolle supposed to do if Clayton had caught that ball? Two hand touch him? Pull a velcro flag off of Clayton’s belt?
What a bunch of garbage(not at Ed, but at the NFL).
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Yeah I didn't thinkk it was a bad hit..At least the way I saw it..
Somebody back there has to lay wood on people..I’ll take the penalty reluctantly, but I guarantee if you whack a receiver hard a couple of times, they aren’t going to be much interested in invading your ‘space’..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
exactly
Rolle did his job on that play. The NFL baffles me at times with these rule changes.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 30, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey by the way...I like that MrDollarBills id...
You must come in mighty handy at a strip club…lol !!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
need to get
the Oline line up straight and out there together to gain some continuity on offense, clearly Eli is gunshy behind a group that is make shift and out of whack.
Need to get a bus ticket for Brown, one way to Dallas please.
Need to get a new special teams coordinator, the problem ain’t trying to find a returner, it’s trying to work with a broken scheme.
Need to get someone to cover the middle of the damn field, I don’t get how we’re not blitzing, getting good pressure but not covering anything short over the middle of the field.
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