Giants @ Ravens: Things To Watch Tonight
by Ed Valentine on Aug 28, 2010 8:28 AM EDT
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Here are some of the things I am most interested in watching tonight when our New York Giants travel to Baltimore to face the Ravens in preseason game 3.
- Can Rhett Bomar take another step toward surpassing Jim Sorgi? Bomar was not great last week against Pittsburgh when forced to play the entire game. He was, however, competent. And coach Tom Coughlin has been impressed by the Big Blue View fan favorite. With all the uncertainty on the roster because of injuries, it seems unlikely the Giants keep three quarterbacks. At this point, I have doubts Bomar would get through waivers to the practice squad again. If he plays competently tonight and Thursday against New England the backup job could be his.
- Can Tiny Tim put on his superhero cape and become Turbo Tim? In other words, can Tim Brown flash enough tonight with that blazing speed to make the Giants seriously consider finding a roster spot for the 5-foot-7, 160-pound undrafted free agent from Rutgers? With Aaron Ross and D.J. Ware out, and other guys having been unimpressive, Brown should see some opportunities in the return game. Injuries to Ramses Barden and Sinorice Moss also mean Brown should see some second-half opportunities as a wide receiver.
- How does Brandon Jacobs look? The big fella has only gotten four carries for two yards thus far in preseason. Let's see if the Giants try to get him six to eight carries, and see what he can do with them? He might have lost ground to Ahmad Bradshaw in terms of who is the real No. 1 back, but Jacobs is still important to the Giants' offense.
- The linebacker shuffle. What will we see from Keith Bulluck as he likely gets some extended time on the outside? Can Clint Sintim, who seems to be losing snaps lately, make a few plays? Can Jonathan Goff continue to show that he can hold down the middle linebacker job, which right now seems to be his? Will sixth-round pick Adrian Tracy build on last week's impressive performance as he bids for a roster spot?
- Can Matt Dodge find more consistency? The rookie punter improved last week against the Steelers, hitting a few excellent punts. He also hit a few terrible ones, though. He needs to continue to show improvement to keep the Giants from looking for a veteran punter before Week 1 of the regular season.
- Offensive line scramble. Who will play where, and how will they do? Can Rich Seubert show that he can handle center in Shaun O'Hara's absence, which would be a huge plus for the Giants? Who plays left guard? How does Shawn Andrews look, if he gets to play? Can David Diehl show that he still deserves to be the left tackle? Can Will Beatty continue his solid preseason? I could spend the whole game watching this group.
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I hope Jacobs comes back strong this year
Both because it will be great for the team and because I dont want my buying of jerseys to end a players Giants career. I bought a Shockey one in 06 and he was soon gone, and a Jacobs one last year and he started his decline.
2010 is the year of the Giants!
Unless there is a surprise....
…Goff will start the season at MLB with Bulluck at SAM. Sintim has blown his chance. (Of course, I thought Goff blew his chance at the end of last season so what do I know?)
IMO Beatty will start the season at LT, Diehl at LG. But who plays where and when tonight will be interesting.
Giants will carry 5 safeties and 4 CBs on Opening Day. Both MJ and Busing are worth keeping as NFL caliber depth. After Johnson, what CB is worth keeping?
Finally, I think Bomar makes the squad and Sorgi is out.
I'd be surprised if Sintim isn't starting at SLB when it matters
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 28, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt they would keep 5 safeties...
4 at most.
For me, Johnson and Busing have shown nothing to deserve a roster place. Also Ross could play S if there are a lot of injures.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 28, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope you are right
but if that is to happen, he has a ways to go.
Goff may start the season at MLB. Doesn’t mean he stays there.
Dillard
Let’s not forget P. Dillard, who, while not as flashy as Tracy has been, appears to have excellent speed- something that the new defense craves.
I know he’s not yet on even Goff’s level, but his hustle with the “Twos” has been impressive.
Too late, I guess, but maybe the Giants should re-consider a 3-4 system? Know it’s not a Fewell favorite, but they do have the players for it.
Dillard
looks a little lost though. I’m not going to pretend to know each players assignments on every play…but it just looks like he’s constantly in the wrong place. and then trails to play. which makes it look like he’s everywhere. but I don’t know…I just don’t know. Dum Dum Dum Duuuuuummm.
oh and as far as
going to a 3-4…I am sooo for that. I’ve been saying that for a couple years. look at our key players on Def. They all seem to be hybrids, much more suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3. I know it’s just a video game, but i switched to a 3-4 on madden and the team consistenetly goes 16-0 to 13-3.
to be able to run a "succesful" 3-4 system u need really good, established linebackers
which we dont have……….and forget about converting downlineman………
by giantsNYrangers on Aug 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
For a place that hated to see DE in coverage
the 3-4 group sure seems ready for the DE to become OLB and have to perform pass coverage. Before anyone says Ware, even he has to pass cover. While a move towards a 3-4 might be on the horizon, I can’t see a sufficient group to have a proper 3-4 defense at present.
3-4..sigh....
As long as Tuck is their best player, the 3-4 kills the Giants best player.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 28, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
There is absolutely no point in going to a 3-4.
Especially now…So late in the preseason with a DC thats coached the Tampa 2 system all his career. Besides most of our players don’t really fit in it – Boley, Tuck, Kiwanuka, Osi, are just not fit for a 3-4. Also another important part is to have ILB’s that can blitz and neither Goff neither Dillard seem to have it in them.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 28, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Audibles
I want to see audibles…Eli didn’t audible once in the first game (I think because so many OL were out) and I think that’s shy he got that cut on his head. Game two, it was our 3rd team/practice squad QB who probably had 10 plays to work with. Go back and watch the Pitt game. We ran the same plays over and over again just from different formations. So today, I wanna see Eli control the game. Audible out of plays that are clearly dead in the water into plays that benefit us. On DEF, I wanna see more blitzing. I’d love to get pressure with just the front four, but you have to mix it up a little. Show the opposing QB some different looks, not just rush four, drop seven and do a “bend but don’t break” defense. You’ll wear our players out if you don’t force some 3 & outs.
One reason
Its a preseason game. Don’t want to show everything.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I was talking more about
the audibles. And its an unwritten rule in preseason football that you blitz as little as possible.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
You never
put all your blitz packages and personnel combinations on film for other teams to study before the regular season starts. You leave some things in the tank so the opposition has to adjust on the fly.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed
I get the theory, but this is 2010, there’s nothing, nothing that other teams don’t already have on tape. I’m sure the panthers have studied plenty of Buffalos tapes and some giants. they’re not going to be surprised and it’s silly to think that an NFL team would be surprised by a blitz any team could run
I know
But every team runs things slightly differently. Nobody shows all their cards in preseason, that’s just silly.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 28, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i hear ya
but again, who of the 11 on the field could possible blitz that would make another team say “what the hell was that?” Also, understand what I’m saying, I’m not saying empty the tool box, I’m saying show me something that makes me think we can do more than a Tampa 2. And truthfully, I think they will tonight. I think you’re going to see some different formations, and guys coming from all over the place.
Although I will be extremely delighted to see Eli in the backfield again...
I would like to to see Bomar get sme more reps tonight. Realistically speaking, I can see this guy developing into prominant QB in the league. If not with the Giants than elsewhere.
Jacobs perfomance thus far has made it difficult to see where he really is skill wise thus far. As Ed stated in the post he only has 2 yrds to show for 4 carries. Hardly enough of a result to draw a valid conclusion regarding his current value.
I will continue to back Sintim. Won’t be able to watch the game because I am wirking a double tonight. Hopefully it will air on CNN.
Brown intrigues me too. This guy was like night and day last game. But I think he coming around.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 28, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Watch
the replay on the NFL network, like I am going to have to do, won’t see it live either.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 28, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Ed, just picked up the Maple Street Press............
some really,really good articles. Good reading material for sure. Good job!
by giantsNYrangers on Aug 28, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
Ah questions..
I hate to say it, no way this team will be ready in two weeks for Game One. You can’t have musical chairs on the OL, LB, etc, and the injuries in the ultimate team sport
and be ready to go in two weeks. It doesn’t work that way in football, you need unison, cohesiveness, can’t try to get everybody back by week one, and then say let’s go.
We could be staring at 0-2 to start the season, second game is in Indy, you really think we are going to win there? I an not trying to be doom and gloom, just being a realist,
based on the current circumstances.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
The LB's have played together for 30+ practices in training camp
OL is somewhat of a problem but they are all experienced players that have played together before.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 28, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So you think
this team as presently constituted, will be ready for the opener? I think that is wishful thinking on your part, but that’s your choice.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Quantrel Bishop
- Quantrel Bishop will be involved in everyplay… “It’s gonna be a great year!”
What am I looking for...
to stay healthy tonight, that’s about it!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
The O-line better step up big time..
The Ravens as all teams at this point have officially moved up to ‘Defcon-3’..They need to protect our QBs tonight..and I agree you don’t want to showcase your regular season offensive schemes, but Eli does need to officially signal a check-off, that is why he almost got killed against the Jets…I don’t see calls like that no brainer compromising our offense…Defensively, the time has come to solidify something..I still don’t know where Fewell is heading with that group…and yes get out of there healthy.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hey Bobbi
am I the only one who finds it hard to believe a veteran QB, does an auduble on his own, and almost gets himself beheaded? I mean some of the comments on here after his brain fart, implied Jacobs and the OLine contributed to his brain fart, which I found absurd.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
No..
He did not call one..that is why the play blew up in his face..He admitted his mistake..If you don’t signal to your 265 pound back that your going to throw, then your going to get runover.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Plus if you review the play...
Eli saw an open passing opportunity on the right slot…which means he is going to drop back towards his left to set up and throw..Well, that is where Jacobs was to take the hand-off, on the left…so BOOOOOMMMM!!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Jacobs should've stopped or moved out of the way when he saw that Eli was looking in Barden's direction
IMO
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 28, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly....even if he did hand it off to Jacobs
Jacobs still woulda clocked Eli
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
nah
that’s where I think you’re wrong…Eli actually took a half step toward the receiver, something he wouldn’t have done if he had been just handing it off.
ultimately it was Eli's fault
but I agree w/ mclaren that at least jacobs could have adjusted and moved a bit outta the way.
you would think they’re used to that on those play action passes that they run…..
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
thats asking a lot Mclaren
Big Boy’s responsibilities don’t include watching for silent nods b/t QB and receiver. He’s too busy looking at how the D is set up, where they might be blitzing from, where the hole may open up, if he can cut it outside if necessary….to ask your RB to use jedi mind tricks and know that Eli wants to test the secondary is just placing blame unnecessarily.
Let’s face it. Eli screwed up royally on that one.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Hi Great...
Yes your absolutely right..That was all on Eli and not checking off..which your right is absurd.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
game time
What time is the game on tonight? Don’t think its on in my area
by Eli10 on Aug 28, 2010 11:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
7pm EST
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
You should get it on the NFL network if you have it..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
The thing I don't get
Is all the negativity. I mean come on people really you guys want us to blitz the heck outta folks in preaseason. Have Eli audible and show everything really? its preseason some guys aren’t playing so they can healthy for the games that matter. Would rather them play and risk further injury in a game that doesn’t count or actually be ready for when the season starts. Then Great has the nerve to say we won’t be ready for the regular season really and that we will start 0-2. Why cause certain players won’t be playing tonight in a game that don’t mean anything? I understand you say your a realist and stuff but to me it just sounds like your being negative. I hate seeing the Giants lose when they do I’m in a crappy mood for the rest of the day. But seeing this negativity puts me in a crappy mood cause we are suppose to love this team and not think the worst everytime we don’t agree with what the coaches are doing. I mean come one guys let’s wait and see what happens before we get all down and out on this team
by g-men_fan on Aug 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
the preseason obviously means more then the regular season
every little move in practice means a player is a bust, sucks, worst move ever, Victor Cruz was the one Jerry Rice was modeled after…etc.
The reactions of the preseason is really why I want the 18 game season. These meaningless games incur meaningless reactions..and worst of all as we’re seeing meaningless injuries.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear exactly what your saying its just ridiculous to think that O’hara Ross or TT wouldn’t be playing had this been a game that counts.
by g-men_fan on Aug 28, 2010 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm on the boat that wants to keep the season format the way it is...
why fix something that’s not broken? just so the owners can get more money?
I’ld rather have those 2 weeks of preseason so those guys like Ross, O’Hara, etc. can rest their laurels and recoup instead of already playing meaningful games with injured players. Plus, they need the time to gel, get ready for the season, have coaches get some time to evaluate their depth charts & I don’t want to see players be completely exhausted or have no second wind when the playoffs roll around…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I meant 4 weeks
or 2 weeks that would be lost to the new season schedule – to be kept
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I know that I don't think that way
but what’s the point in sending our starters out there if we’re not going practice the things we think will help us win during the regular season? I keep I don’t get it. if we don’t blitz until game one, the panthers will be caught off guard because the assumed we wouldn’t blitz all season because we didn’t in the preseason. and if the pre-season means nothing then why send our starters out there at all? just send out the guys that are trying to make the team. that just doesn’t make sense. Let me fill some of you guys in, the pre-season games are glorified scrimmages. the final score means nothing to me, but how the players/team performs means everything to me. And I thing most coaches/players from any level, from any sport would tell you the same thing.
What I am saying is if Eli decides to change the play then he needs to let they guys know..
I not saying showcase the offense, but if you are changing a play people need to know about it…Negative about my Giants?..Hell no way ever…Just referring to a dumb mistake that almost got our QB killed..If they are going to cut down on something maybe they should think about practice..that is where the majority of our walking wounded are coming from..They should emphasize conditioning, afterall they know how to play football or they wouldn’t be there.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Is the game sold out?
If it is, then the game should be on TV.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
i cant find the game either
Its on NFL Network tomorrow at 1 but not tonight. I get the ‘Boys instead. I’d rather walk out into traffic then watch Homo
by Eli10 on Aug 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Web site
Someone on this board shared this in a FanPost.
http://www.firstrow.net/sports/football.html
Have not tried it yet. Tonight will be the beta test. But it worked on other games a week or so ago.
I actually tried it last week, it works great IMO
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
What To Watch Tonight
Ed pretty much hit every nail on the head.
I’m really rooting for Rhett because the last thing I want to do is carry 3 QBs, so if he can at least show progress I think he could very well win the job.
The secondary will also be interesting to watch. Hopefully someone can help Webster tonight. The way it’s looking we will in fact have to go outside and get another CB. I wanted to give Busing a shot, and I’m still very much willing to do that but he’s gotta show me something out there. Does anyone even know what is really wrong with M. Johnson?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I really didn't foresee Sorgi getting hurt like this....
who could have? He looked good vs. the Jets but from what I heard, his training camp was nothing special. I was expecting him to get a lot of snaps this pre season…and to play well, forcing the Giants hand….instead he’s seceding all his snaps to Bomar, and possible his roster spot.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
something with M.Johnson's back
not sure what
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Oh another thing: Rich Seubert
I’m interested in seeing what he does at C….w/ a cast on his hand.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
richie
Will snap the ball and then smash the cast into someones ribs…starting a fight. I give it 3 snaps before it happens
by Eli10 on Aug 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Tim Brown
I can’t wait to see some Tim Brown action tonight. I’m really rooting for him to make the team. I think he can be a really valuable addition to the team.
Strategy w/LB's is very confusing
I must say that I am very confused at to what is going on with our LB core. KB has got to be in the lineup as he plays like a lion at all times. Goff all of a sudden is our starter? Sintim is a starter one day and now subbing with KB? Boley is the only lock. I really think KB should be starting Mid with Goff giving him a breather or even getting like every 3rd series. Sintim and Boley on the sides until Sintim stinks up the joint. I don’t like KB playing outside with Goff in the middle unless he shows me something serious tonight. To outright win the middle LB, he must be taking care of some serious buisness. We need KB and his heart in the lineup as much as possible as we have nobody else that strikes any fear at all into any offensive players. I want to see some very hard hitting by our LB’s tonight. They should just look accross the field over at the Ravens LB’s to see how it’s done.
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