Tiny Tim's Time Might Have Arrived
by Ed Valentine on Aug 26, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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[UPDATE: A great look at Tim Brown today in the Wall Street Journal. Yes, the Wall Street Journal -- which now covers New York sports. ]
We have discussed the putrid state of the New York Giants return game -- especially kickoff returns -- on a number of occasions.
Well, Saturday night against the Baltimore Ravens injury could equal opportunity for one Giant who might be able to help in that regard -- diminutive speedster Tim Brown.
D.J. Ware won't play due to the concussion he suffered last week. Andre Brown has yet to impress returning kickoffs. Aaron Ross looks like the primary punt returner, but he is shelved for the rest of preseason. As impressive as Victor Cruz has been catching passes, he has been equally umimpressive in two preseason games returning kicks.
Enter Brown, who is likely to get a chance Saturday night to show whether or not he might be able to inject some life into the Giants' return game.
"I'd like to see him take off with the ball as a returner," Tom Coughlin said Wednesday.
When I talked to Brown during training camp at the University at Albany, where he was very impressive prior to suffering hamstring and groin injuries, Brown was just hoping to earn a chance.
"I'm just waiting on my chance, my opportunity," he said at the time. "If he [coach] really wants me back there he's going to put me back there.
"I feel like I'm going to be able to help at anything the coach puts me at. He wants me to block, then I'll get in and block. I'm waiting on an opportunity to show coach I can do things."
The 5-foot-7, 165-pound speedster would seem like a natural for return duty, yet his collegiate experience in that role at Rutgers was limited. As a sophomore at Rutgers he returned seven punts for just four yards and ran back 15 kickoffs, with a long return of 38 yards. The past two seasons he returned a total of just eight kickoffs.
Still, the Giants would be doing themselves a disservice if they did not use the next two games to get a good look at whether Brown and his 4.3 40-yard dash speed can jump-start the team's seemingly stuck in neutral return game.
Tear or no tear? Antrel Rolle says Ross has a partial tear of his plantar fascia. Coughlin says that is not the case, but the Ross will be in a boot for the next 10 days or so, and won't be available until the season opener.
So, which is it? Fact is, it probably doesn't matter. What matters is that when Ross comes back he is going to have to deal with playing in some discomfort. Rolle, who played with a torn plantar fascia with the Cardinals in 2009, knows all about what Ross will go through.
"It's going to be something that he's going to have to deal with for a long time," rolle said. "It's a matter of how much pain you can take while playing."
Eli Manning wore a helmet Wednesday for the first time since requiring 12 stitches. The Giants' offense has spent very little time working together as a whole thus far, but Manning expressed confidence that the unit will be fine.
"I don't think we're far behind. Actually, we're not behind at all," Manning said. "It's the third preseason game, and we go out there and try to play well. Guys are coming back healthy, and I think that's a part of training camp every year, guys go in and out a little bit. I think we have a veteran group, especially up front. Receivers are getting better, and they've been pretty healthy throughout training camp. I think we're in good shape, we are getting guys back healthy right now, which is probably the most important thing."
Backup quarterback Jim Sorgi admitted Wednesday that despite having been in the league for six seasons, he is worried that his shoulder injury could end up costing him a roster.
"I've got to give them more to look at so I can help them make the decision. In my mind, I feel like I've got to play. I've got to play next week," Sorgi said. "I mean I'm still worried about that decision a little bit. You don't have much time left until you've got to make tough decisions in the league. I've seen those decisions go in the player's favor and not in the player's favor. So I'm just going to try to get out there and just make the decision hopefully a little easier on them and hopefully in my favor."
The fact that Sorgi still can't lift his arm high enough to throw a football is not encouraging for him at this point.
Players missing practice Wednesday included cornerbacks Terrell Thomas (calf) and Ross (foot), defensive linemen Chris Canty and Jason Pierre-Paul (both with sore groins), quarterback Jim Sorgi (shoulder), safety Michael Johnson and wide receiver Ramses Barden (back), running back Ware and safety Sha'reff Rashad (both with concussions), tight end Travis Beckum (neck) and linebacker Chase Blackburn (knee).
"I'm not worried. The diagnosis was good and they said there's no nerve damage, and no threat of nerve damage as long as I take the proper precautions on the front end, which is what we're doing right now," Barden said. "I want to get back out there and, before the season starts, get the rhythm back and get that chemistry going again with the rest of the offense."
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Hometown bias....
but I hope this kid can get some good returns and make the team, I like seeing Rutger guys on the team, and O’Hara could use a fellow alumni
defensive linemen Chris Canty and Jason Pierre-Paul (both with sore groins),
These guys need to stop rochambeau-ing to settle disputes
You play to win the game!
Wow...
Texans are in the top 5 for overall franchise worth. Pretty impressive.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
There are a ton of ways to value franchises
The only one that matters is what it would sell for.
Dallas is the only franchise that is worth more than the Giants. My understanding from order sources is that it’s:
1. NY Yankees
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. NY Giants
Some think the Red Sox are worth more, so I would put them in a tie for 3rd. No one thinks if the Pats and Giants were up for sale at the same time the Giants wouldn’t fetch a much higher price.
The Giants
aren’t even in the top five in a recent poll of sports franchises value, besided the two you mentioned, they are Manchester United, Redskins, and Patriots.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 26, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
According to the report
Dallas holds more value than any other North American sports team. That would include the Yankees, and I honestly don’t see how. I would think 81 home games a year as opposed to 8 would be a major factor. As a matter of fact, they said the only team in the world that holds more value is the Manchester United. I dunno.
Often they exclude the value of the YES network
Or they value it as a TV station
In reality it’s a blank check book that allows the franchise to play on a skewed competitive field. Add In the attraction of the pinstripes and you have a team that will stay in contention in perpetuity. How much does that add to the value of a sports franchise.
My guess somewhere in the neighborhood of $500M to $1B, after all they may not win the series every year, but they are basically a sure thing to never rebuild.
It all depends on how they figure the valuations
The Forbes report takes a certain angle, but it’s not the only angle.
Check the Forbes numbers, they value the stadium at about $250M, but include all the debt. I’m not sure how a brand new stadium depreciates 1.5B in a week or 2, but I suspect that they are using GAAP principles which are fairly well useless for a sports franchise.
They will depreciate the Stadium as a capital asset, but it will act like a virtual ATM machine, packed full of luxury boxes, almost 50% paid for via PSLs and concerts and other sports events.
The only real number that matters is the sale figure, what the Giants would sell for compared to other teams. No way if Pats and Giants go up for sale that the Pats sell for more. Tom Brady and Bill Bellichick will be gone in a blink, Giant Blue is a bit more permanent.
I think the only reason Tim
didn’t get a shot last Saturday was probably because they wanted him to heal up….
hopefully he gets more than one chance this upcoming Saturday.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
in the same spot he was before/if Tim succeeds
cruz made his work executing as a wr.. hopefully tim flashes as a return guy
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I have Cruz replacing Moss
Hagan is the coverage guy, Barden #4, and Cruz/Moss/Brown battling for the 6th spot
If you keep 7, Its possible, I suspect that guy would replace a RB, and with Ware looking like a candidate for PUP it’s entirely possible
Would we really keep 7 WRs though?
We have Smith, Nicks, and MM all locks. Underneath them is Barden, Hagan, Cruz, and Brown.
Does anyone on here want Cruz over Barden, Hagan, or Brown (if he can return kicks)?
If Brown can return kicks, we’d need him.
Hagan plays a good special teams and has shown some sure hands, so we’d have to keep him as well.
Based on this pre-season, Cruz has shown more than Barden. Whatya guys think?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
they're not gonna let Barden go
because he’s their freak, their dream project. And Hagan stays, as a proven veteran, special teams ace, and sometimes WR.
If it’s 6 WR’s it’s gotta be Cruz or Brown. Based on the preseason, I’d say Cruz, but of course, he’s already played his best NFL game.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 26, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say it...
but I think it might be Brown, you have to think it would have to someone that would get through to the practice squad without another team picking them up. At this point I dont think Cruz would get to the practice squad.
There's no chance in hell Cruz would make the practice squad.
Even though it was their backups, teams respect the Jets defense.
Cruz owned that defense.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
thats why I think he will make the roster, the Giants dont want to loose him to another team
I really hope so.
But it’s a tough call, again this is only if Tim Brown shows he can be a force in the return game, if not this whole argument is moot.
If Brown does show flash in the return game, it’s coming down to Cruz or Barden leaving, or holding 7 wideouts….I don’t know how likely that is or isn’t.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
if brown
flashes in the return game Cruz is gone. There’s no room on the roster. Muffing a punt inside the 5 didn’t help.
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by FrankB03 on Aug 26, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I'm afraid of.
I’d rather keep Cruz that Barden at this point.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't want to see Cruz go.
The ball skills he showed weren’t those of a rookie, he obviously has the speed to stretch the field and make big plays. The last thing I want to see is another Ryan Grant situation where we give away a perennial Pro-Bowler for virtually nothing. Not that I’m saying Cruz is going to be a perennial Pro-Bowler, but I don’t want to see him get scooped off our practice squad, he’s already shown more worth that that IMO.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your statement.
But I don’t agree that he deserves it.
If Brown can’t return kicks, this discussion is moot, because Cruz will make it over him.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Cruz makes it
Brown has a good chance if he shows return skills. The Giants just don’t have anyone who has shown big-play ability doing that. If Brown can, the Giants won’t let him get away.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 26, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That's where the problem,for me anyway, arises.
If Brown shows big play ability in the return game, than he’s definitely making this team, I’m sure we can all agree on that since we clearly need a kick returner.
I think there’s no doubt Hagan makes it, S-Mac said he’s a special teams ace, a veteran, and has shown some sure hands in camp.
That leaves us with Barden and Cruz…and I know Andi’s right, there’s no way Barden doesn’t make this team…
Do you think there’s a possibility we keep 7 WRs?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes if they carry 3 RBs
But Cruz will have to be good on ST cog to get a roster spot. No way they carry a 5th or 6th WR who just plays WR.
He must be OK at it, or they never would have taken him this far. The question is can Cruz make some plays covering punts or Kickoffs.
Ware’s value is diminishing as he has concussions. How long can you last playing special teams with concussion syndrome?
why does Barden not deserve it?
because Victor Cruz torched the Jets’ 2nd and 3rd team?
Barden is a 2nd year player….who we moved up to draft. If we give him 1 year and a training camp to earn his keep that would be extremely short sighted of us.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Victor Cruz looked like a man amongst boys against those units.
It was very impressive. Barden on the other hand, dropped the first ball thrown his way.
Barden is still progressing, and we do have the depth to allow him to do so. But at this point, I’m not willing to give up a talent like Cruz for a could be talent like Barden.
I don’t want another Ryan Grant situation on our hands.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He dropped a ball.....in pre season....
with a stress fracture in his back….
at the end of the day, Cruz hasn’t shown anything against starters either…in fact he regressed against the Steelers….
I’m not anointing anyone after 1 pre season game…and I think it’s silly that we’re discussing 1 dropped ball.
Steve Smith dropped a TD pass last year vs. the Jets and I remember Giants fans were ready to crucify him….he turned around and shattered the Giants single season record for receptions.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
its a tough call
…but Cruz was beating Lowery, who was a starter for the Jets last year I think, and the Jets even said he was going to be used a lot this year. Its not like Cruz beat some 3rd string guy that isnt going to make the Jets team, he beat a CB that will get a lot of playing time with the Jets.
All he we have to go off is these pre-season games Andi
And so far, in these pre-season games, Cruz has shown me more. That’s all I’m saying.
I understand everyone has this love affair with Barden, but the fact of the matter is Cruz has done more with the opprotunities he has been given.
It’s not like those plays he made were routine, the first and third TDs were both in tight coverage, and both showed extremely good awareness and ball skills.
I didn’t watch the second pre-season game, but I thought I read Cruz wasn’t out there with the first team, and he did have a 20 yard reception…something tells me the Pit D just paid a little more attention to him.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
and I think that's a bit short sighted....
Look, I think Cruz makes the team, and he will be on my updated 53 man roster.
but I don’t think it comes at Ramses’ expense….AT ALL
BTW the love affair with Ramses is officially over for many Giants fans….the comments I’ve been reading confirm this, so that certainly does not play a factor in my decision making….plus I would not let my emotions cloud my better judgment anyway.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I'm not saying get rid of Barden at all.
I’m just saying if it came down to it, I’d have a very ahrd time keeping Barden at Cruz’s expense.
I completely agree that it may be a bit short-sighted, but that doesn’t make it wrong. Cruz showed real ability in that Jets game, he has to make this team.
In any event I’m anxious to see the new Andi 53. If you have both Barden and Cruz making the squad, does that mean 7 WRs?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
well Tito....this is where we cordially agree to disagree
I would take Barden at the drop of a hat, even if it came at Cruz’s expense. You would not. Fair enough….
In my new roster I have Cruz pegged for the last WR spot….making 6 WRs: Smith, Nicks, Manningham, Barden, Hagan, Cruz
Believe it or not….I’m actually trying to convince myself that Bomar can handle the backup duties….so we can cut Sorgi an carry an extra body….I’m trying to justify it….but can’t do it just yet….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Fair enough old chap.
You like Barden, I like Cruz. Either way they are both filled with boatloads of potential, and I think we can both agree we’d like to see them both make the opening day roster one way or another.
I’ve been saying that about the backup QB position for some time now, the way I justify it is as such:
We’re screwed either way if Eli goes down.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha
SCREWED!
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you....
IF the roster had to be determined now, Cruz makes it, but so does Barden. And at the moment, I’d say Moss is history. But there are a couple of preseason games left, and injury and performance may scramble things. Brown either has to show an ability as a return man and/or light it up as a receiver. Moss has to elevate his game greatly, or Cruz has to fall on his face. Barden is going to sit out, but if’ll be healthy shortly I don’t see any way he doesn’t get a roster spot this year. If he’s in the same boat next year though, it’ll get iffy for him.
Barden should be the odd man out....
At some point “potential” has to become “production”.
Players like Cruz that flash in real competition deserve opportunity. I am convinced that “Plaxico Envy” is a virus for so many that just lays dormant and then keeps resurfacing.
Let it go…. Let him go…..
at what point?
because, uh, a year is sorta short
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
at some point?
you act like Barden’s a 5th year veteran.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 26, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Because you minus oned yourself.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Such a turn around from last year...
10 bucks Moss is still on the 53 man roster this season. He must have naked pictures of every coach and their wife to last this long…
by Big Blue in tx on Aug 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
we will all puke and die
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 26, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think like Ryan Grant they know he has value, and are hoping an AFC team could use him
I’d say Chargers but they seem committed to very tall WRs
Maybe Dolphins?
I hope they get a 4th round pick or perhaps a return man?
I'll be rooting for Tiny Tim Saturday..
and please don’t let me hear they lose Cruz…That’ll give me a real bad hair day…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
you have hair?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 26, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but I must admit...
These days the new growth only makes it as far as the ears…doesn’t make it to the top anymore..haha
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Cruz...
He had about 183 yards in two games…If you do the math over sixteen games, he is easily looking like a +1000 yard receiver…If of course they give him the reps.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I think those 183 yards just show we can't get rid of him.
I do not want to see Victor Cruz lining up against anyone in our secondary.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to see alot more of Tracy also..
Any guy that can get in and squash a run in the backfield is my kind of player…They should take a peek at him at LB.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I am speaking wayyy to soon
but i would love to see Cruz become good enough to take the 3 spot away from MM. We can get some fine picks for MM. I mean look at last year Miles Austin undrafted guy’s can make it happen. But yeah speaking way to soon it was one game but the performance was so great i cant help but to think of the possibility
Also may be a little bias since he grew up with my girlfriend
may beable to get some free tickets who knows!! lol
"grew up with"
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 26, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I know I'm going to get murdered for this
But the more I think about the depth at WR, the more I wouldn’t mind dealing Manningham for the right price…
Can anyone here think of a package they think would be willing to move MM for? Hypothetically speaking of course.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I get it....Ghostdini goes to South America and ya'll wanna throw dirt on Manningham???
I’m telling on both of you!!!!
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Hahahahahahaha
Seriously though, what would it take for you to be comfortable moving MM?
If anything…
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
seriously....you can't pay me to have this convo again
half the board hates me as it is…..
in all honestly…I think JR did a good job addressing the Defense….so right now, I’m fine w/ the team the way it is…
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
LOL
Hahahahaha
Lameeee
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
well, you know how I felt about the situation....
there is no need to beat a dead horse here….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
the thing about depth
it’s largely an illusion.
The Giants have 3 starter-quality WRs right now: Smith, Nicks, and Manningham. Hixon would make 4, but he’s gone. SO we have exactly what we need.
Sorry to piss on parades, but Cruz could be NOTHING. Brown could be NOTHING. Barden could be NOTHING. They are all unproven. They may be the NFC’s starting 3 WRs in the pro bowl in 2014, but right now they’re unproven and you don’t want to hang your offense’s hat on them. Hagan is solid but not starter quality.
Stand pat, obviously. What would I trade him for? Demeco Ryans. Ain’t gonna happen.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 26, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
true....
but what more can Cruz do to prove himself? He is a undrafted rookie that has taken every chance thrown his way and done nothing but shine.
I think what peopel are saying is that it would be a shame if he doesnt get a shot at 1st team defenses and then we cut him, because he is unproven, and he goes to another team where he continues to shine. Espeically if you cut him for other WRs that have recieved more opportunities to shine and havent. Dont get me wrong I like Barden and dont want him to get cut, but look at the opportunity he was given as a rookie and he couldnt do anything, and still is struggling as a second year guy. While Cruz has done nothing but out perform expectations for any rookie WR, let along an undrafted rookie. You would expect the numbers Cruz is putting up from Dez Bryant or another 1st round WR, but still Cruz might get cut, just because he is an undrafted free agent.
I think Moss and Tiny Tim (unless he has a Donte Hall type return day saturday) are the odd men out, unless we carry 7 WR
I wasn't saying let Cruz go
I was saying Manningham ain’t trade bait at this point.
Sure, we think it’ll be Brown OR Cruz, with hopefully Suckorice Moss gone. But who knows? Personally, I hope Sorgi is gone and we keep both.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 26, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely
I would have done it in the offseason already as I had posted last year.
At the time I had two specific thoughts:
1) Ravens for Willis McGahee. Forgot the image of him getting hurt early in his career etc… He has been very productive in a rotation, is a good short yardage guy and runs hard.
The Ravens, before they traded for Boldin, needed a wideout.
2) Bears for Devin Hester. Look, say what you want, Hester is an impact returner and NOT a great WR, which is what they are trying to make him into. If Cutler needs a target, why not make the trade for a true wideout and have the Giants move Hester back to specials. Is it straight up, maybe, maybe not but its another deal that would have potential to help both teams.
How about...
We throw in Sintim, Goff and Barden too.
ha
"murdered'?
Are you kidding? I’ve been expecting JR to cut a deal to shore up a weak spots for a long time. On our side, the deal would have to include players in positions where we seem to have a surplus, receiver and DL. The logical receiver would be Manny(hard to lose him but bearable and of relatively high value to another team.) For the same reason, on DL. Osi seems to be the most logical choice. Tolly, maybe, but he wouldn’t be as valuable to a trading partner There’s always Kiwi as well, but I get a strong impression the Giants want to hold on to him.
As for what we could get in return for whatever package we put together, I can’t even guess beyond wishful thinking about who I’d like to see.
I don't know about that..
The thing I pondering is if we have Smitty, Cruz and MM lined up, how are defenses going to handle that scenario?..Then if Barden’s back is healed, they need to deal with him in the red zone..I’m thinking receivers are the least of our worries, and I’m sure Eli is salivating over it.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Didn't even mention Nicks
Who will be our biggest big play threat this season.
If we had Nicks, Smitty, Cruz, MM, and Barden…well that’s just one too many good WRs in my opinion.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoever the 4th WR is on Cincinatti or Oakland
Because those are the only teams that would take a chance on him IMO.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
he's goin' to Minnesota
You heard it here first.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 26, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That'd be wild.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Shame on me for not mentioning..Nicks..
Now I am getting a hard-on.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hahahahahahaha
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited!
Yes, for those that think I’m just a gloomy guss, I am excited about this opportunity. For all the thrashing I give Reese, I think we have some folks in the personnel dept. who really excell at finding quality talent in the UDFA market. Just look at guys like Bruce Johnson. Heck they need to let whoever is responsible for identifying UDFA targets get more input at the top end of the draft in my opinion. Because of the track record with UDFAs I’m always really excited to see some of these guys to get an opportunity because they come out and amaze like Cruz has thus far. I fully believe Cruz and Brown could both be Giants.
How do you fit them on the roster? Well, part of me, perhaps a big part wants to just say drop Barden. He has been given many opportunites and failed to capitalize. However, knowing Reese’s MO he is unlikely to give up on Barden. For that reason I figure Barden makes the 53 man roster but like last year is almost never on the active roster because he can’t contribute enough. What I see as a possibility is carrying 3 rather than 4 RBs. The only point in carrying 4 RBs is if that 4th back is there for ST work, typically a return guy. Neither Andre Brown or DJ Ware have looked great as return men, so I have no problem replacing that 4th RB spot with a WR spot since really it is just a ST slot. Based on the preseason I expect Andre Brown to make it and DJ Ware to head packing. The WR corps as I would like to see it is Smith and Nicks starting, Cruz and Mannigham sharing snaps at slot or both on field in 4 wide (depending on the situation you can mix and match, MM is faster more athletic, but Cruz runs better routes and has better ball skills), Hagan as our ST gunner and occasional snaps to rest the other guys, Brown as our ST return man with the mix in of getting in some snaps for go route burn your man big bomb plays (yes that’s a very technical football term), Barden hangs on the sideline and tries to figure out how to use that big body to play football.
777
I would love to know about all these opportunities that were given to Barden …. that you say he failed.
I think it’s laughable people are considering Cruz over Barden. Cruz is suddenly the 4th WR on the team, after 1 pre season game?!?!….but he muffed a punt on the 5 yard line, so since we’re jumping to conclusions he can’t contribute on ST either….just like Ramses.
I mean, he had his chance, he dropped a ball…he simply can’t do it.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I like Barden, and I think he needs to be on the team,
but Barden had a two whole training camps, 1 and 1/2 preseasons, and was given the opportunity to win some game time, but didnt win it from the coaches last year. You put Bardens full year and half of preseason this year together, and all you have are some great catches in practice. Granted its only preseason games, but Cruz has produced on the field during games.
Ok....
So if that’s the case, Adrian Tracy officially took Clint Sintim’s roster spot after Saturday’s performance.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Hardly comparable
Having over 100 yards and three touchdowns in a game is comparable to haveing 10 tackles and three sacks, something Tracy has not done.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
how so?
you are comparing stats from 1 pre season game….to the stats of a guy who’s had 1 year of experience.
I mean, that’s what we’re doing here right? Comparing stats….
So look at Tracy’s 9 tackles in 1 game….and compare that to Sintim’s NFL stats….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
See below
If Tracy was going to win a battle over Sintim, it would be for a starting job on defense.
If Cruz was going to beat out Barden, it would be for the 5th WR spot.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Barden isn't even fighting for a starting job
Sintim is.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly....
Im not saying get rid of Barden, I want Barden, I am saying is Cruz could end up getting the shaft, for the reason of being an undrafted rookie, he has done more then Barden, but Cruz has to fight to stay on the team
all the more reason to yank the rug out from under him....
Barden’s a bench guy who we moved up to draft and your saying it’s cool to give up on a bench player after 1 year and 1 pre season game…
but we must continue to bang our heads against a wall until Sintim finally gets it?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
andiamo708, Im not saying...
give up on Barden, all Im saying is Cruz could end up getting the raw end of a deal and get cut, when he has done nothing wrong, and had produced the most out of all the WR, and the only reason he will get cut and not Barden is because he went undrafted and Barden was a 3rd round pick.
You take their draft positions out of the equation, and just looked at their career stats, all of Bardens stats, and Cruz’s stats in this preseason, who would make the team? Just look at that way
I won't do that...I can't.
I can’t ignore the fact that JR wanted this kid.
I can’t ignore the fact that Eli is lobbying for him to get on the field.
I can’t ignore the off season work he put in with Steve Smith
I can’t ignore what I saw with my own eyes last year in Albany
and while some criticize him for being injured, I give him kudos for going out there w/ a stress fracture….and than having to stand idly by as his own damn Coach says it’s a matter of “playing with pain”. When in actuality it’s a matter of risking nerve damage and further injury.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
And I can't ignore what I saw on the football field.
Without being drafted.
Without Eli lobbying for him.
Without Off-seaosn work with Steve Smith.
He did it on the field.
Which is where games are won.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
are you saying he
stepped up and made big plays?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 27, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying the situations aren't comparable.
Because they’re two completely different positions as far as team needs are concerned.
LB = Least ammount of depth on NYG
WR = Most ammount of depth on NYG
If there’s any position where we can afford to take a risk on an UFA, it’s the WR position.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Tracy mauled scrubs
Cruz put up big numbers against legitimate players that will be on the Jets roster. The catches he made, the body control he showed, and the ball skills he flashed are all also elements you can look at regardless of who he was playing. While a LB will look significantly better or worse depending on quality of the players they match up against, a WR can show you things to display potential regardless of competition. At this point Cruz has shown far more potential than Barden. If Barden was the UDFA we wouldn’t even be having this conversation, he would have been waived injured as soon as he got the fracture in his back. He is a clinger simply due to being a draft pick and Reese doesn’t give up on draft picks.
Did Barden get a lot of snaps in the pre-season last year?
I don’t really remember…but looking at his stats he did play in all four games, and had a total of 6 receptions for 59 yards.
Cruz’s 6 receptions for 145 yards and three TDs happened in only two preseason games. Even though he “regressed” as you said in the second game, he still had more yards (30) than Ramses has ever put up in live competition.
They both have had very limited time to show their worth, but there should be no question as to who has shown more in that limited time, so I don’t see how it’s laughable to consider Cruz a more talented prospect…
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you on that one
it’d be great if Barden would burst on the scene during game time. He is a training camp star but that doesn’t help much.
And
it doesn’t help his cause if you can’t stay on the field. If he doesn’t play in the final
preseason game, he could go to 6th on the depth chart. In today’s NFL (especially
for non-starters), it happens quickly.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 26, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Barden has been healthier
than Nicks, Smith, and Manningham since he’s been in NY.
He played vs. the Jets with a stress fracture in his back….the one time he appears on the injury list he’s getting labeled as someone who can’t stay on the field….which is a crying shame.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Yea I don't agree that he "can't stay on the field"
But I do agree if he misses these last two pre-season games it won’t help his cause.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You are comparing
apples to oranges Andi..I don’t mean that he can’t stay on the field in the sense that he is injury prone. The above named receivers are 1-3 in the pecking order, so if Barden is at best the #4 receiver at this point, it doesn’t help his cause in regard to playing time. Same with Sorgi right now, a backup
QB who has a shoulder issue and can’t throw, may not only lose the his backup role, he may be cut. Not going to keep Sorgi,as a #3 QB, Bomar will be #2 if Sorgi can’t play against the Pats, and they find somebody off the waiver wire to be the #3 or practice squad QB. This doesn’t apply to Barden, just an example of backups in the NFL, move down the depth chart quickly!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
This is Barden's second season
He had all last year and as much this year as Cruz to prove he deserves to play. Cruz has shown more in just this preseason than Barden has in a full year plus. In a full year Barden couldn’t do enough to make the coaches even want to hand him a jersey, not impressive. This training camp Cruz has been consistently good in every practice and a stud in gametime. Barden has been inconsistent throughout camp practices and invisible during game time. Don’t play it off like we all are hating on him for one drop. If it was just that one drop that he had done wrong that would be one thing, but he has done much more wrong and hasn’t put together much of anything to call good.
Note: Cruz doesn’t have to be the return man to play ST and make an impact there. If you take a look at cruz he has a good stout build and appears to have good overall body stength. That adds up to him having high potential in kick coverage as a gunner. Yes Cruz muffed the punt, that’s the one bad thing he has done. Besides the fact that like I said return man probably isn’t his gig it is kind of laughable that you are accusing folks of getting down on Barden for one drop (when that’s not the case) but you are down on Cruz for one muffed punt…
ok point taken....
he didn’t do much last year….behind Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, and Mario Manningham…. what a failure.
Manningham btw is a perfect example….what did he do his rookie year? Got injured, didn’t contribute, didn’t play, got tackled for a loss on an end around. Manningham than turns around and becomes a great asset for this team.
You say Barden looks invisible during games….what games? Are you talking about pre season games last year w/ David Carr? Or are you talking about the one chance he had last year vs. Minnesota?
btw, i was being sarcastic about Cruz dropping the punt….I don’t give players a hard time after 1 bad play.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
By games
I mean preseason last year and this year. Don’t give me that it was Carr’s fault. Cruz looked like a stud catchign bad passes from Sorgi and Bomar. I’m quite sure most would acknowledge Carr as being a better QB than Sorgi or Bomar.
Manningham is a bad example for me because I’m not high on him. He is a flashy athlete, but a bad football player. The guy can’t run a route and doesn’t have great hands. I can’t argue that he is all bad because he was at least able to turn some of his raw athleticism into production, something Barden hasn’t done. In the grander scheme though if we traded Ham to fill some other holes I wouldn’t find it a great loss.
hold on....
i’m not taking shots at Carr….but I’m not going to judge someone off a pre season game either.
You do’nt have to be high on Manningham to admit that the kid made leaps from one season to the next…..
he went from a kid who couldn’t get on the field to 800 yards….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
And why didn't Barden get on the field last year?
It had nothing to do with the WR in front of him…
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It had nothing to do with them
it had to do with the fact that he wasn’t as good as Hagan on special teams.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
And couldn't fully grasp the playbook
And wasn’t very good at running his routes…if I’m not mistaken.
But all this is irrelavent.
Has Barden not had the same chance to stand out that Cruz has? If not moreso?
It comes down to one question:
Who has done more with there opprotunities, Barden or Cruz?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a good question
I know my answer….
So do I.
So do the Jets.
And I believe Coughlin does as well.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
show me one shread of evidence that
backs up that he couldn’t learn the playbook.
btw, a 6’6" tall guy ain’t gonna be running routes like Steve Smith….
Plax didn’t run routes all that great, hell, he dogged it half the time, and flat out took plays off when it was a running play….
Eli Manning is basically shooting down all of Gilbrides’ excuses….why would he do that if he honestly doesn’t’ think Barden deserves more playing time? shits and giggles?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I don't have any evidence.
Just rumors I remember from last year, I could be completly wrong, but my memory is usually pretty good.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't have evidence b/c there is none
rumors fly around constantly.
Listen to a Barden interview or two and tell me if you honestly think this kid has comprehension problems.
Eli is co signing him for heaven sakes….again, why would he do that???
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Maybe they're really good buddies outside of work?
Who the hell knows.
But one thing we do know is it’s not because of what he’s done on the football field, which again, is all that matters.
So again I say :
all this is irrelavent.
And again I ask:
Has Barden not had the same chance to stand out that Cruz has? If not moreso?
It comes down to one question:
Who has done more with there opprotunities, Barden or Cruz?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not that black and white
you keep going back to what he did “on the field”
and the only comparison you are using is the 1 pre season game vs the Jets.
Does the training camp field count, the mini camp field, all the work he did last year on the scout team?
clearly that holds no weight with you….and I’m not sure why?
We just saw Manningham do the same thing….and he never really flashed anything in Pre Season either….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Training camp and mini camp count
and based on reports Cruz has done more with his opportunities there as well…
who's reports?
all due respect to Ed but he wasn’t following V. Cruz’s every move like he did Bardens’….
the only thing we heard about Cruz was the positive….(and we heard more about T. Brown than Cruz)
if Barden went to the bathroom we heard about it, every catch, every drop…etc….it was reported.
so yes, while it counts….reading about it 2nd hand is not the way to evaluate someone.
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I'm actually counting the Pittsburgh game there too
Because in that game, even though Cruz only had two receptions for 30 yards, that was still good enough to be more yards than Barden has ever racked up in a game (pre-season or otherwise).
I will admit that I have overlooked the dedication that Ramses has put into the training camp, the mini camp, scout team, etc etc, and to answer your question the reason is quite simple…because it hasn’t translated to anything resembling a high-level performance during live game action. I know he’s young, raw, and needs time to develop, and up until this realization of Brown making the roster hit me I was more than willing to wait.
The only reason I wanted to talk about this today, is because I know you’re right. I know that if Brown shows ability in the kick return game, and the Giants don’t want to carry seven WRs than Cruz will be the odd man out. I just hope that the front office, and someone with the same stance as yours does realize we’d be giving up the better of the two players at this point in time.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He was slow
at grasping the playbook, because he is still a PROJECT in progress. Damn, the kid played at Cal-Poly, and that’s why he didn’t dress last year.
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STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
just a thought.....
isnt Smith, Nicks, Manningham still on the team now? And Cruz has still stood out, while Barden has made some nice catches with no pads on.
so now we're assuming
Barden hit the wall but yet the sky’s the limit for Cruz?
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
nope, not at all
all Im saying is it will be a shame if Cruz does not make this team, because he has done everything to prove himself, and he might loose his spot on the team, because he wasnt drafted. (its kinda like a college football team that cant win the national title unless they start the season off ranked already)
this debate is silly anyway, I think both deserve to and will make the team.
I think Moss and Brown are standing on the outside looking in
That's true
Unless Brown shows he can return kicks, in which case, he needs to be on this team…because we have no one else.
If Brown shows he can perform on kickoff returns, one of the two might be let go.
And in my eyes, it shouldn’t be Cruz. Even though it probably will be, simply because he wasn’t drafted…it would be a travesty.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't want to make this is a Cruz issue...
b/c it’s a barden issue IMO.
like I said, Cruz makes my roster as of right now.
I’m just so adamant that Barden needs more time to prove himself….that’s my issue here. He needs more than a handful of pre season games….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I agree BB82...
that at the moment Moss has lost job and Brown hasn’t done enough to grab a roster spot. But if Brown flashes as a returner, he’ll make the club and someone DOES have to go. But I think where this thread has taken a wrong turn is the most obvious candidate isn’t the #4 running back, nor Barden, but Mr. Beckum, the H-Back for whom we don’t have plays, and who hasn’t been able to get on the field much, nor distinguish himself when he has.
I could live with that
But does Beckum get the same protection because he was a draft pick that we have been discussing?
I'm thinking no...
The difference is he doesn’t have a natural position to play in the current offense. He’s been around no longer than Barden, but Ramses has a role that the team is trying to groom him for. Beckum is not only a “project” but he’s a project with no natural role open to him. He’s not going to displace a wideout, he’s not going to displace Boss, he’s not a blocker, and while he IS an H-back, we don’t really have an offensive scheme built around that and Beckum hasn’t been able to get on the field (due both to injury and lack of production thus far) much less to force a change in offensive planning to create a role for himself. Thus, If Cruz looks like a go at wideout, and Brown can handle returns, there’s really not much of place for Beckum regardless of his draft pick status. Cruz would fill a position, Brown would, and Beckum would still be in search of a way to get on the field. I’ll accept that Reese thought receiving would be the weakness when he was drafting in 2009, but at this point I think Beckum was either a wasted pick (for this organization) or he needs to be sent to a different organization where the offensive scheme would allow him a natural role. Perhaps the thought was if the wideouts didn’t develop, maybe a role for Beckum would be created here, but they did, and it really hasn’t worked out for Travis thusfar.
Oh yeah
and not only am I willing to see Cruz be the 4th WR, if he keeps playing like he is I’d have no problem with him taking Ham’s spot at #3 because Ham is flashy but wildly inconsistent. Note that is IF he keeps playing at stud level. You see I don’t buy into this notion of you have to give a player priority because he was one of your draft picks. I care far less about how a player got into the NFL compared to what they do once they are there. I feel that when GMs insist on clinging to draft picks or giving them priority spots it comes down to arrogance. They don’t want to admit they were wrong on that pick, and it hurts the team overall.
I feel that when GMs insist on clinging to draft picks or giving them priority spots it comes down to arrogance. They don’t want to admit they were wrong on that pick, and it hurts the team overall.
Why does Sinorice Moss have a spot on this team again?
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
JR didn't draft Moss
which actually disproves your point a bit….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
He was part of the personnel team that did
In fact it could have been Reese who picked out or lobbied for Moss for all we know. Reese was a big part of draft decisions when Acorssi was the GM.
Manning was ALL Acorssi though
So he deserves a big kiss for that.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to give Acorssi credit
for making all the moves and putting in all the work to do what needed to be done to fill a premier roster spot with a premier player theat we were in dire need of.
Exactly why
If I saw him, I’d give him a big kiss lol
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
but you can't say that for sure 777
how do you know JR wasn’t jumping up and down and screaming, don’t draft this kid!!!
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I don't know for sure
I just know it seems that Reese has been reluctant to give up on players he or a personnel unit he was a big part of drafted. Other organizations appear more willing to acknowledge something didn’t pan out as hoped and move on.
that is probably something he learned from Accorsi
but he’s the same guy that drafted Manningham….watched as Manningham got hurt, struggled w/ the playbook, and basically did Jack his rookie year….than he watched the kid become a big part of the team in ’09.
I do think that sometimes we do hold onto guys too long; i.e. Koets, Whimper, Moss…..i’m not one of the JR nuts ya know….
but I don’t think Barden is “one of them”.
Call it a gut feeling….call it pure ignorance….
But I can’t assume that JR is holding onto Sinorice Moss to defend his old boss’ honor….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
In all honesty
I doubt the Rutgers Rocket makes this team. Giants keep 6 WR (Nicks, Ham, SS, Hagan, Cruz, & Barden in that order). I have a hard time trusting TC when it comes to getting young guys on the field. He doesn’t trust them so by not dressing Barden last year has virtually no meaning to me. However, his biggest knock last preseason was that he couldn’t get off press coverage. It seems that he’s gotten only slightly better at doing that. Whereas, I’ve seen Cruz get off the press, use amazing body control while in mid-air, and show effort blocking downfield. That’s b/c he doesn’t feel entitled to his position and knows he needs to capitalize on every opportunity. I don’t think Ramses has that same mentality. The Giants Brass has said publicly they think he’s a work in progress. And I think that hurts him. I’m willing to give him 1 more year. By that time, he should realize his time is almost up and either put up or shut up. With that being said, I think we have a ton of talent at WR so keeping 7 would not be upsetting.
just give me a warm body
with a pulse, that can catch and hang onto the ball when he gets hit. It’s been pretty well discussed that our special teams need work on the whole, so I would be happy with someone who doesn’t lose the game for us on punts and kickoffs.
Anybody know
what’s wrong with O’Hara now? Garofalo reporting that he is most likely out this weekend?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
Again?
Geez, this team is cursed, I swear to God. Canty hurting again too. If Guy Whimper is one of our starters come Game One, I am going to scream! I don’t want the guy on the team, period!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 26, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
they said he's gonna have to deal with it....
probably be an issue all year long GG
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Not good
to hear, but with that said, if they knew about his ankle issue before the draft, it would have behooved them to draft somebody like a Pouncey rather than a JPP. Again,
IF they knew?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 26, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Ankle or not, they knew how old he was and how likely it is for older linemen to get hurt. Plus they knew they didn’t have an experienced center to back him up.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Aug 26, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
would drafting a center....
give us an experienced center to back him up? I think if its that serious they will bring in another center as insurance
The bigger issue
is that O’Hara is nearing the end of his contract and will probably retire after that rather than extending because he wants to get into coaching. It would be nice to have a young guy in getting groomed as the real replacement for when that happens but also being the emergency backup for now.
Actually
we could have drafted Pouncey, who looks like he’s going to open the season as the Steelers center. He also could have backed up at guard. I do agree that the team ought to have picked up a viable developmental center a year or two ago. But having failed to do that they did have an option in last year’s draft
by Tucker Fredrickson on Aug 27, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
there was also that OL who dropped all the way to GB
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 27, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Brian Bullaga
is his name.
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Medical Treatment Supplies Paradise
I’d love to be the company that supplies the Giants with wraps, ben gay, ice pack, crutches, body casts and more. This freakin team stays on the injury report. Ross might as well be gone. I can’t remember the last season he completed without looking like Inspector Clouseau on the sidelines. Can we just start the season now so no one else gets hurt putting on their shoes or blows out an arm signing their name
Has anyone heard anything about Barden's injury?
Back injuries tend to linger. Is there anyway we can IR him? Maybe even if it dosent look like he will miss the whole year?
he seems optimistic he's not gonna miss any games
why would they IR him?
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 27, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
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