New York Giants News & Notes: Keith Bulluck At Strong-Side Linebacker
by cjmulrain on Aug 25, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintGood morning Giants fans. In their continuing quest to figure out the linebacker rotation, the Giants have been using Keith Bulluck at strong-side linebacker. When asked if he believes this is good for him, Bulluck responded:
"At this point, it doesn’t matter. It’s a different system. In the past month or so, I’ve been practicing at the middle linebacker, and the last two practices, I’ve been at the outside linebacker. It really doesn’t matter. I just want to get out there, help, and contribute, and be the best linebacker I can be for this team. If and when my number is called, I’ll be ready."
Clint Sintim sounds like he's embraced having Bulluck around, saying that he "embraces" the competiton:
"I mean the guy’s been in the league, like I said, for a decade. He knows the ins and outs of the game that I don’t really know too well-what I can look for, what I can do better and things like that. I’m excited to be out here and just really kind of take his two cents in from somebody who’s played the game versus somebody who’s actually coached and you can kind of see it a little bit different. That’s a big benefit to me"
- Kenny Phillips is scheduled to see a lot more of the field on Sunday against the Ravens. Whether you see this as a positive reflection on Phillips' recovery or a negative reflection on the Giants banged up secondary probably has a lot to do with how you see the world. Personally, I think it's good news.
- David Diehl has more than pride on the line in his fight to hold onto the left tackle position, as does newly signed Shawn Andrews.
- Giants.com previews this Saturday's game against the Ravens.
- Finally, the Valley Morning Star says the Giants are a team at the crossroads after the painful end to last season.
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So..maybe when Osi's lining up at LB
the musical LB’s the GIants are playing will finally be thought of as them getting different looks out there? Versatility and all a that.
Good to see KP “cleared” to get more time. Its an infinite improvement to have him, and Grant and Rolle out there instead of...them of last year
and it seems the move of Bulluck from MLB
if its a true move, is more a testament to Jonathon Goff then a knock on Sintim.
Bulluck has to exist somewhere, right? Boley’s going nowhere and if Goff is the one turning heads, that leaves the SLB spot, where Bulluck played in Tennessee.
A few teams..like say, the Cowboys, Eagles and Redskins, all employ extremely talented TE’s; 2 and maybe in the case of the Eggs 3 deep at TE.
Bulluck and BOley are excellent at coverage, some of the best in the NFL over their careers. That’s not a knock on Sintim either.
So when the Skins are trotting out 2TE sets with Chris Cooley and Fred Davis..the GIants counter with Boley and Bulluck. Ditto for Clint Ingram/Clay Harbor and Brent Celek.
See…versatility. Not “our young player is a bust”.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 25, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Free ... I know you're more optimistic on Sintim than most on this board ...
I was more in the “invisible” camp of late. I really want him to come through, and be a real play-maker, which he seems to have the athletic tools for, and why we drafted him..
I just can’t see the rotational thing, though, as LB is not really a position that you see that much at. If you do, it’s the cover guy coming in for passing situations. If you’re not one of the starting 3, and not a cover guy, I don’t know how you get on the field much. DL yes, they rotate alot. OL, almost not at all. TE, WR, DB, yes there is some rotation there. LB, not so much. More just subbing in a DB for your run stuffer on 3rd down.
Much to our dissappointment, this may actually be about Sintim, at least at this point.
the thing I'm trying to get at
is no one has really anything to judge who’s who just yet. Its preseason. Halfway through preseason.
People calling Sintim a bust already…its absolutely ridiculous.
People wanting some sort of amazing plays so that you actually notice Sintim on the field…the SLB is a position much like the fullback, unhearalded and rarely makes a big splash.
I dunno what people are looking for. Sintim is only invisible if you ain’t looking.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 25, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
a.k.a...
People wanting some sort of amazing plays so that you actually notice Sintim on the field
…big plays?
by Step up and make big plays on Aug 25, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Keith Bulluck was a backup his first 2 years in the NFL
and he was a 1st round pick.
The jets need to be cooled regarding Sintim.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 25, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree, more time a good idea
It goes back to the hype Sintim had when drafted.
If he is in this same place next year then perhaps a different discussion is in order. But for now, while I am disappointed he has not developed faster I am OK with taking more time to evaluate the guy.
Was there much draft hype at the time for Sintim?
Or is this all in our BBV heads?
by Step up and make big plays on Aug 25, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He was rated well by most boards
and we all ran with it and made him into more than he is. After all, he is making a big transition and not everyone can make that switch from edge rusher to OLB in the 4-3.
Theonly heads Goff is turning
Are those of people looking at the hole the RB is flying through and then searching for Goff. You have toturn your head to find him washed out on the other side of the line. Goff has not been impressive. The only thing Goff has going for him is that Sintim has been less impressive. This really comes down toacompetition between Goff and Sintim because Bulluck is easily better than both. Whoever ends up sucking less between Goff and Sintim gets to play because we have no other options and Bulluck replaces the other. I’d fully expect that if Bulluck ends upon the outside in base packages Goff will only be a 2 down player. The nickel will likely be Boley and Bulluck no matter how itshakes out. You’re are trying way too hard to blow sunshine up everyone’s skirt. Check in with reality and accept Sintim has been a major disappointment thus far. Maybe he can turn it around, you never know, but we have nothing to go by that indicates he will. By his second year even if he hasn’t put it togetherheshouldhave shown signs of hope. The only timehehas looked good is when playing DE. His best value to the team may end up being as a pass rush specialist DE if we didn’t already have too many….
Know thy enemy
The Eagles have one very good tight end — Brent Celek. After that they don’t have anybody. The fight for the number two spot is between two guys who have never played a down in the NFL regular season:Cornelius Ingram who’s had ACL surgeries each of the last two years, and 2010 draftee Clay Harbor. Neither of those guys is doing much in training camp. Ingram is likely to get IR’d or cut. Their other camp body is Nate Lawrie from Yale. In years past they’ve had mediocrities like L. J. Smith and Matt Schobel. So yeah, the Giants have to deal with Celek, but that’s not a position of depth for the eagles. In fact the Eagles probably run fewer two tight end sets than most teams.
Now the Cowboys and Redskins, that’s different they are deep at tight end.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Aug 25, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure knowing thy enemy
would include knowing who Clay Harbor and yea, Cornelius Ingram are.
These aren’t just throwaways. These are legit, Brent Celek’s in the making. Just cuz they’re rooks doesn’t mean they’ll do nothing.
And just cuz the Giants don’t care about throwing to TE’s, doesn’t mean the Eagles do.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 25, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
I live in Philly and I get bombarded with Eagles news. Ingram is on the practice field about as often as Beckum and he’s gimpy when he’s out there. He’s shown nothing this year — and given his injury history, it’s unlikely that he ever will. The Eagles only carry two tight ends most years. It will be quite a surprise if Ingram makes the squad this year. As for Harbor, he’s got some potential as a receiver, but he can’t block. Celek is a great receiving tight end — among the league’s best, but he’s only a mediocre blocker.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Aug 25, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I got slammed
earlier this year when I voiced how disappointed I was that Sintim did not win more playing time for himself last season. I gave him a pass for not winning a starting job in camp because he was injured. But I expect a LB taken in the second round to contribute in his first year and start in his second. To make matters worse, the Giant LBers were awful last year and he STILL couldn’t get on the field.
It should be obvious to all that Sinitm is a bust. If Beatty cannot garner some serious playing time on this O-line this year and JPP does not fulfill expectations, and Barden can’t be what he was drafted to become, we’re going to have to say that Jerry Reese has had a couple of bad years in the draft room. Some of it (Chad Jones) may not be directly his fault, but he’s on the hook for Sintim, Beatty, Beckum, Kehl, Koets (who can’t play at all), and even Goff if he doesn’t nail down MLB. And if he DOES nail down MLB, we’ll be adding Phillip Dillard to the list of wasted picks.
I think it might be a bit premature to label Sintim a bust ...
but it certainly is frustrating that there are still such questionmarks about both him and Beatty, and I read the other day that the Eagles’ top two picks in 2010 have already cracked their starting line-up.
The way the NFL works (assuming we have a cap again) you really can’t afford to have a lot of “projects”. Guys have to contribute at somewhere early on. ST or rotation, etc.
What does it say about a team..
when you have so many rookies cracking the starting line up? The Eagles had a lot of holes this offseason, it might not be that a rookie is excelling for the eagles, it could be that they have a lot of holes that they are plugging.
That is certainly a valid point ...
and hopefully the case. I also think the Eagles are risking having a lot of teams run them to death and wear them down with their undersized front 7. The Dallas O-line should be able to just fall forward and get a few yards on them.
The Eagles top two picks
Maclin isn’t as good as Hakeem Nicks. McCoy isn’t as good as Ahmad Bradshaw, a 7th rounder for us.
2009 Did Not Happen
Maclin v. Nicks
I think it’s a little early to be declaring any victor in the Maclin v. Nicks battle. They’ve both played exactly one year , and without having gone back to look it up, I don’t think there was any significant difference in their numbers. Let’s wait a few years to see whether either turns out to be appreciably better than the other.
As for McCoy, I haven’t been terribly impressed with him yet, but again he has had only one season, and he plays for a team that doesn’t run very often or run block very effectively and where the only other serious runner on the team is a fullback who gets about 5 carries a game. I’m not sure what purpose is served by comparing McCoy to Bradshaw — particularly at this stage of their respective careers.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Aug 25, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point about McCoy
Comparing him to Bradshaw is like comparing Celek to Boss.
Boss could be better, but how the hell will we ever know with him catching three passes a game.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't watch Eagles cept when they play us
But Nicks is a different kind of WR. His combo of size strength and speed make him a nightmare in the making.
Maclin looked good, but DBs aren’t sweating tackling him.
Nicks v. Maclin
Maclin started 13 of his 15 games, caught 56 passes for 773 yards (13.8 YPC) for 4 TD’s in a pass-happy offense
Nicks started 6 of his 14 games, caught 47 passes for 790 yards (16.8 YPC) for 6 TD’s in a run-heavy offense
Nicks was the 3rd target for most of the year, and still had more yards and TDs than Maclin, who was the Eagles #2 target for most of the year. Nicks displayed much more big-play ability, and looks like he has better hands. Maclin looks like he can be a pretty solid WR. Nicks looks like he can be a superstar receiver. He’s bigger, he’s faster, and he’s more explosive.
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that was a deep draft for WRs
Nicks, Maclin, Britt, Harvin….I think they’re all played well last year. I guess if your a Minn fan your not to happy w/ Harvin’s health issues, but I think NY, Philly, TEN, and Minn are pretty happy w/ their Receivers.
Not even mentioning Crab and DHB….
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Well
If look a little deeper into the stats you’ll see that the pass happy Eagles threw 553 passes last year and the run oriented Giants threw 542, so there’s no advantage for Maclin there. You are correct that Maclin was the Eagles second most targeted wide receiver, but the Eagles also threw over 100 passes toward Brent Celek, so both Maclin and Nicks were their teams’ third favorite receiving options. You are correct that Maclin had 16 more passes thrown his way, but its hardly as if he had some huge pile of opportunities that Nicks didn’t. As for big play ability, Maclin had 11 plays over 20 yards and Nicks had 13. Nicks’ long was 68 and Maclin’s 56. I don’t think that’s statistically significant. And even if you’re right, there’s the apples and oranges thing again. Who is better Steve Smith or Hakeem Nicks? Does it matter? They both do what they do well.
I just think one year is too small a sample size to make declarations like X is better than Y. All I’m saying is this will be an interesting comparison in a few years, but right now there’s no huge advantage to either. And in the end, what does it really matter anyway. I don’t care if every single Eagles player is “better” than every single Giants player so long as we beat them.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Aug 25, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care if every single Eagles player is "better" than every single Giants player so long as we beat them.
Completely agree.
But Nicks is better.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
whoops, sorry - I read that wrong
thought you said top 2 picks from 2009. My bad
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pump the brakes a little.....
its too early to be tagging bust on Sintim, he is being replaced by a pro-bowl veteran (and that is not definite yet, it was two practices). They could of just been doing this to put some fire under him too, give it time.
whoa there
I think it’s WAAAAAY too early to call anyone a bust. Offensive lineman sometimes take 3 to 4 years before they break into a rotation full-time, and Beatty looks to be ahead of that pace. Barden was drafted as a long-term project, high-risk/high-upside type guy. Basically a boom or bust prospect, and there’s still plenty of time for him. The problem may be that Reese built too strong of a WR corps for him to get much playing time, which could be limiting his development. I don’t think that’s necessarily a knock on Reese, if anything it’s just the opposite.
I disliked the JPP pick as much as anyone, but he’s much the same as Barden. You really can’t judge him by his play this year or even next. If the Giants DL is awful and he’s still not playing, than sure, say it was a terrible pick, but let’s at least give him a year.
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I'm usually on your side
and I’m slow to use the word “bust”. I agree with you on JPP and Barden because they were drafted as projects at positions that were our strengths and where we had depth, but they have to work out nonetheless. There some time there but not forever. But Linebacker? This team is desperate for play-makers there and Sintim is in his second year as a second round pick and the coaches need to “light a fire under him”?? I don’t like it.
I’m ready to face the gruesome truth that Sintim is a BUST. He couldn’t beat out Danny Clark last year, and now he’s being bumped out of the starting job that was basically HANDED to him in camp by another old man coming off major knee surgery.
Sorry.
Bust.
cool it
Sfacheem, you are calling Sintum a bust because Keith Bulluck started in front of him for two practices in the middle of training camp? are you serious?
Its Bullucks natural position, did you ever think that maybe they were having him show Sintum some stuff? give him some pointers? Its not like Keith is some bum off the street, he is one of the BEST at what he does!
No, I'm calling him a bust because
he did nothing last season with an over-the-hill below-average NFL linebacker playing in front of him. Then we find out that he apparently lacked the desire and work ethic to improve, but he promises he’s all better now. Now I see so far that he’s done nothing this preseason to make me confident that he’s an NFL player. He is invisible and appears to be poised to be beaten out again. It looks like he’s got no fire in him and you want to see fire in your LBs. You want to see them flying around the field and making plays. Sorry, but I just don’t see this kid as being tough enough to make it.
By the way, nobody was more excited when he was drafted than I was.
Like Torbor?
And Diehl wasn’t a LT till he was.
Sintim was immature, Ok, but TC is quite intolerant of rookie mistakes, many rookies respond to that by retreating.
Reminder this time last year Manningham was a bust. On another space, a poster repeatedly blasted Manny as too stupid to play football. Then he burst and they disappeared.
Sfacheem, do you realize....
that a whole article has been written on this site to “overreacting” to minor details from training camp? like the minor detail of Bulluck taking plays on the first team at strong side? And overreacting calling players a bust (Sintim)
Sfacheem, (nudge nudge)....
I think they are talking about you.
Do you realize
that the article was put up AFTER my post?
Are you holding me personally responsible for making all of the alleged claims that are made in Ed’s attempt at being funny just because I called one player a bust?
Do you realize that I called both William Joseph and Ron Dayne busts at this point in their second year too?
Finally, do you think I enjoy making this claim? Do you think I enjoy being correct when I see a draft bust?
I defended plenty of players who were called busts but were NOT busts, including Eli Manning. But I can’t pretend I like what I see when I don’t. And I haven’t seen a single thing out of Sintim that I like.
My last post
Was not directed at anyone in particular, so let’s not argue about that. As for Sintim, there is a lot to like athletically and as an edge rusher in blitz packages. It’s just a hard adjustment from what he did in college to what the Giants want him to do as a linebacker. Takes time. Whether it happens Week 1 or not, I think Sintim is going to have a nice NFL career.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I do realize....
that the article was put up AFTER your post……Thank you for making my point.
And I am sorry I didnt realize I was commenting on the man that called out William Joseph and Ron Dayne as busts in their second year. Your wisdom and knowledge should be respected, I am writing a letter to the Giants and Jerry Reese as we speak, to cut ties with Sintim as soon as possible, his career is over, the same guy that called William Joseph and Ron Dayne busts in their second season has declared it.
Pretty harsh
just because the guy has an opinion different than yours. Yes there a pessimists who always see doom and gloom. There also starry eyed fanboys who see everything through rose colored glasses. Are you the later? There are also some folks who just try to be realists. Look for the good, but also recognize the flaws. Unfortunately around here if someone calls in a reality check people get very upset with him. Whether you want to call Sintim a bust or not at this point is fine, but at least acknowledge the fact that he hasn’t shown anything to get excited about. You can take the wait and see approach if you so choose. Maybe he will turn into a player, but from he has shown thus far the probability is the opposite. Does that make him a grunteed bust in the end? No, but it sure doesn’t give you much ground to stand on when going after a guy who is being just a little more down to earth.
I’d also point out that Ed seems like a good guy and a fine writer, but that doesn’t impart any special ability on the man to determine the truths of reality. I doubt he would claim so either. The fact that he sees some thing as an overreaction is his opinion which he is entitled to as much as anyone else is. Just because sfacheem is a commenter not the original writer doesn’t give him any less right to have an opinion.
its all in good fun.....
I dig user name bigblue777
You asked...
“Do you realize….”?
How the hell can I realize that an article was posted about that if I made my comment beforehand? That is why I pointed out that I wrote that about Sintim before the article was posted—to let you know that there was no way I would realize the article was there because it wasn’t there prior to my post. Understood?
Secondly, if you want to disagree with my opinion, that’s fine. But if you’re going to insult me because you’ve got keyboard balls, you’re only going to bring down the site. Be an adult and post your own opinion without putting other people on the site down to make yourself look better. It doesn’t work anyway.
all I was saying Sfacheem, is that an article was posted AFTER all your comments were made on THIS post about Bulluck starting over Sintim in two practices in preseason and how that makes Sintim a bust. about how some fans need to not take all this information and jump to conclusions. I was trying to make a connection. Understood? haha
And Im sorry I wasnt trying to insult you, I just didnt realize that I was commenting with the person that called William Joseph and Ron Dayne BUSTs in their second year
"Do you think I enjoy...," etc.
My impression is that, yes, unfortunately some do.
I'd be reluctant to call him a "bust" quick yet ...
I don’t doubt he has the physical tools, but he’s just developing slower at the mental part of the game than we and the Giants had hoped. Remember last year when he didn’t know where to line up ?
And I can even agree with others that after just two preseason games it is a little tough to come to a final verdict on the guy, but it’s the fact that he did look tentative and seemed to be taking a lot of looping routes around the pile to where the ball carrier was already too far downfield that has me worried. Better anticipation is needed to get him to the point of attack further upfield. Use the “force” Clint.
if only Sintim
played the field as well as he plays the media game. That guy always says the right thing.
But having more guys ready to go at multiple positions is always a good thing.
That being said I’m pulling for him too. Dude has the right make up for the position but he needs to, as I believe Coughlin said let it go out there, stop hesitating and trust your instincts.
I disagree
I hate that response. It shows no pride, hunger, or fight. You can be humble without being a doormat. Tell me you welcome the competition, that it will make you both better etc. Etc. But that you are still going to go out there and fight to prove you are starting caliber LB. He’s all too eager to play the backup roll.
Totally agree.
I remember William Joseph saying all this stuff about how he’s being patient at getting his chance to start, and it was just reflective of his overall lack of passion attitude.
Give me players who are pissed that they are not starting, but then vow to prove the coaches wrong and earn it in practice and on the field.
Keith Bulluck...
I am just really, really, REALLY hoping that Bulluck does not become the next Arrington. All that hope coming into the season dashed on Cowboy turf. We shall see.
by Wags24 on Aug 25, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
cant even compare
Bulluck does not have a big long term contract, he is low risk.
i said it yesterday
next year move Clint Sintim to DE and let Kiwi walk. Sintim is better as a 3 4 linebacker and probably will never excel in a 4 3 defence. Rex Ryan is a great defensive coach and is moving Vernon Gholston to DE because he sucks at linebacker. At DE you don’t have to cover anyone you just have to stop the run and get after the QB and Sintim is good at both.
unless...
At DE you don’t have to cover anyone
…one is a DE in a Bill Sheridan scheme.
by Step up and make big plays on Aug 25, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
But if I’m not mistaken…in that scheme, no one has to cover anyone.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
True.
In that scheme, the middle linebacker also doesn’t have to cover anyone.
by Step up and make big plays on Aug 25, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
WOW
“next year move Clint Sintim to DE and let Kiwi walk. Sintim is better as a 3 4 linebacker and probably will never excel in a 4 3 defence”…………………..all this from watching two PRE season games??, please my friend do not ever compare VG to sintim, what you fail to realize is that vernon Gholston was always a DE, he shouldve been placed in a 43 from the gate but his problem is not scheme at all, he has the skill to play wherever but he is scared of contact!!!! thats his issue.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
I agree
move him to DE…from his own statements he’s saying he’s not catching on. I understand that he’s young, and I don’t mind waiting for him to grow into the position, but not if he’s getting it still. If he’s as athletic as we believe he is, and rushing the passer is his specialty, why is it a bad thing to put him in a position to do just that?
Sintim @ DE
No point. Kiwi walks and then Sintim is still buried behind JPP, Tuck, Osi, and our plethera of defensive linemen. We need guys playing at LB, and Sintim still has time to prove himself. Get off the bridge people. Remember when Steve Smith dropped that long pass in the preseason and we thought the Giants were doomed at the WR position?
Preseason doesn’t mean anything. It’s just shaking off the rust from the offseason. If Bulluck starts it just means that a former Pro-Bowl player has managed to beat a 2nd year rookie who’s still adjusting to a new position under a new coordinator. I’m not saying Sintim is a guaranteed success, but come on guys, don’t pull the plug on him until you get an actual diagnosis.
+1
way too much of that going on around here lately. The LB’s, the KR/PR, the Oline… i chalk it up to us being way too antsy. It’s been a long off season and we are all very anxious to wash the taste of last season from our mouths.
Thi is kind of strange...
I’m excited to be out here and just really kind of take his two cents in from somebody who’s played the game versus somebody who’s actually coached and you can kind of see it a little bit different. That’s a big benefit to me"
So is he saying he can’t identify with someone who hasn’t played the game or the position? I understand that he likes learning stuff from a fellow player like Bullock, but is it a shot at someone on the coaching staff? Maybe Hermann?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Nope he likes Hermann!
But any player will tell you its better to learn from another player who has actually done it and is still doing it…….. Clint is too much of a sponge, he plays exactly like who he learned from and thats the problem, hes playing solid like Danny Clark very solid and mistake free but i think once he watches Bulluck a bit he will start to learn how to make splash plays, once Clint gets it together in a sense you all will sing a different tune….. He is actually doing fine but like TC said the best 3 LB’s will play, the competition can only make him better, people keep saying he should be moved to DE??!!, he is fine at SAM, the only move i wanted was for him to be the Mike which i think he is perfect for but Goff has been playing very well so i understand. We actually have a bunch of damn good backers, i see the shuffling to be a result of the coaches not knowing who to go with because different people are excelling in different situations like nickle situations, I would love to just pen in Boley and Bully (which it probably will be) but Wilkinson, Goff and Kehl have been looking good in coverage too, our LB’s are providing great comp for eachother and thats the way i look at it. you guys should too.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
All this highlights questions for 2010
- until the DTs show something the DL is bunch of edge rushers susceptible to the run
- the LB corp is average and if Boley gets hurt, less than that
- safety if one injury away from precarious depth
- the OL is unsettled at best. COULD be very good. COULD be very average
- AB better have a good year or the run game will be disappointing
- specials suck. Could cost the GMen a game this season. Or two.
Frankly, I am cautiously optimistic on all the above except special teams. A bit of luck, reasonable health and people like Beatty and Jacobs playing well will do a lot for this team.
BUT….the possibilty is there for the perfect storm and that is one #@!% messy season.
Maaaaaaaan why couldnt we get Bully 3 years ago!!!
even though i think he has 4-5 good years left from the way he played last year, but watching the intensity in his eyes makes me wish we had him sooner, he will be the leader shortly, maaaan im excited to see this guy play
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Yup
We ain’t got no feeling in our linebackers anymore. Where did the Johnson’s, Banks’, Armstead’s, Carson’s, etc, etc, etc go within the storied Gmen regime. Are we going to be the next WR team or get back to the roots that make the Gmen identifiable by the entire western hemisphere?
why only 1-2
to me he is cut from the same cloth as London fletcher, Ray Lewis, Vrabel and those guys…….. he still has upside, i dnt look at age i look at consistency of play and base it from that.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Coming off a major knee reconstruct
Shouldn’t we wait to see if he can still get it done on game day?
Yes but you have to have confidence with certain things in football
if thats the case whats the point of even discussing ANYTHING because we will have to wait and see with everybody even those healthy, you dont know til anyone puts on the pads even Eli.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Exactly.
There’s nothing wrong with sitting back and witholding judgement until you’re watching the team perform in front of you, but if you do take that route there will always be another game to be played, and therefore, judgement to be witheld.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be more than ready to judge Bulluck after a game or 2
That seems only fair to Bulluck. He has certainly passed the first hurdle of playing well in practice, and this week I think he gets extended time against Ravens.
I thought he was a great signing, position of need, leader, intense. But If he was a slam-dunk, we wouldn’t have gotten him WHEN we did.
A very fair stance to take
Regarding a seasoned vet coming off injury, two weeks should be plenty of time.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 25, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
For me by that time
I’m looking to see that teams aren’t game planning to go at him. That he has enough speed.
I’ll still expect some mistakes as he adjusts to a new system. Hopefully they will disappear by midseason.
Some of the Sintim stuff is the coaching
Coughlin loathes mistakes but wants big plays, but often you need to take a chance to make a big play. This can be paralyzingly for young players. Once Sintim gets confident and that has to include the coaches letting him make some mistakes without soiling their boxers, I think he will be fine.
Remember everyone was down on Torbor, and he couldn’t get on the field, but was actually better than Kiwi when he got out there.
+ 100
except for the Torbor better than Kiwi part, i think that seemed that way because Kiwi was learning a new position but your first statement i absolutely agree with, its hard to go forward with coughlin’s short leesh on you
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Kiwi vs Torbor is secondary
It’s that everyone thought Torbor was a bust and a disaster and then he hits the field and you hardly noticed the change.
Another example of a coaches short sight was Priest Holmes. Ravens didn’t even give him a chance.
I'm a little confused with all of the Torbor references ...
Are those posters suggesting he was better than just an O.K. LB for us ? I can’t remember him being other than adequate, and we let him go after 4 seasons.
I'm also confused
didn’t we cut ties with Torbor after the season discussed where he came in for an injured Kiwi? I don’t think he was ever more than average. Heck Kiwi was able to beat him out for a playing spot while transitioning from DE to SAM. Which brings up another point of concern for me. Kiwi seemed to pickup the move to SAM much faster than Sintim has and the move from 34 OLB should theoretically be easier than a move form true DE. That’s why a lot of the he is having to change positions excuses ring hollow for me. Heck at this point I’d think about potentially just moving Kiwi back to that spot because he was getting pretty darn good there before he got injured. Then you could let Bully play middle and you still have enough talent on the DL.
it doesnt have to be about Sintim
Maybe the coaches didnt like what they saw from Bulluck at MLB, that is not his natural position. Maybe they want Bulluck to help out Sintim. Maybe they are liking Goff at MLB. Its preseason, they are trying things out. Maybe they dont want to tip their hand on what they are doing with the linebackers.
I think it's Goff vs. Sintim honestly
I think Bulluck was a solid pickup. I wish it was a longer term solution, but assuming he is healthy I see no reason why Bulluck can’t play any of the three LB spots (and at a higher level than any of our current guys). I think it really comes down to between Goff and Sintim who is better and Bulluck replaces the other. Kind of like the offensive line battle has been posed as not being between Beatty and Diehl, but between Beatty and Seubert with Diehl being on the field in whichever spot is left.
anyway you look at it...
we dont have studs (Bulluck, could be if he comes back 100% from the injury), but we will have a little bit of depth and I think they are trying to see who can play what positions, and that way they know how they can move them around. And I dont think Sintim coming off the bench again is a horrible thing, or make him a bust. Chase was the guy that they could take off the bench and plug him in any LB position when needed, I think they are just trying to see if they have that with Bulluck now
just saw on ohm youngmisuk's twitter
that Nicks and Tim Brown are returning kicks today. i know Hakeem is elusive and that our return game is always pretty weak, but i hate starters on special teams
A thousand lips. A thousand tongues. A thousand throats. A thousand lungs. A thousand ways to make it true. I want to do terrible things to you.
by Nine Inch Nails on Aug 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
From Coughlin
Nicks was just doing it because they were short-handed, and someone had to catch kicks with the Scout team. I doubt you will actually see that in a game.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 25, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
After reading the whole post...
I’m just hoping everyone doesn’t view their wives and girlfriends in the thought mode that they view Giants draft picks. Damn, the bread is overtoasted….you’re a total failure, out of my life….it’s been what, TWICE now you’ve made me toast this year and you still don’t have it down right. My mother was right about you, my brother was right, you’re just overhyped and overrated. You an and SHOULD be replaced….etc.., etc. etc……
Overall I think you BUILD a winning team, and it takes time, adjustments, practice, leadership, hard work and a bunch of other ingredients. Some players adjust quickly, some slower, and some not ever. As for Beatty, he did a decent job as a first year player last year, he’s appears to be in the thick of a battle for a starting position this year. That hardly looks like he’s failing. Sintim appears to be slow to transition, and I won’t say he’s impressed me yet, but it’s been two whole exhibition games (and he’s been on the field for less than that), after a rookie season with injury and played in a defensive system that didn’t work, wasn’t followed and apparently couldn’t be communicated to a whole lot more people than Sintim. Barden, the jury to me is very much still out on. In theory he should fill a niche, but we haven’t seen him do it, nor have we seen much of him at all on the field. Bomar two weeks ago seemed like he might be wasted draft choice (someone to be plucked off before making the practice squad), but all of a sudden he plays and looks like he might be able to develop into a backup quarterback. Jury out there too. Beckum, the most currious one of the recent drafts, as he has no natural position on the team, and is on a team with an offensive coordinator not exactly known for innovation. Does he have talent? Supposedly, but he may have been a poor draft choice just due to his talent requring a different offensive scheme than we run.
A lot of the guys who get commented about have either been injured or haven’t really seen any extented playing time yet. Maybe they don’t inspire confidence in practice, but maybe they just haven’t been given the opportunity either. For most I think it’s too early to make decisions on, particularly when we have some guys that have been around a lot longer and haven’t shown any reason for holding a roster spot (Mr. Moss, I’m looking at you).
some of you guys need to to get a life.There is no bigger giant fan then me,but you can’t pass judgement on every little thing that happens.if you’ve ever played sports yourself at a high level and i’m sure some of you have,then you realise that the game is played on the field not on paper.Give these guys time to develop.the only guy on the team that has overstayed his welcome,and can be considered a bust is sinorice moss,with gerris wilkisson,waiting on deck
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