New York Giants Notes: Offensive Line Still Unclear
by Ed Valentine on Aug 24, 2010 7:47 AM EDT
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PrintYou know all that stuff I have been saying about Will Beatty looking more and more like the starting left tackle for the New York Giants this season? Well, umm, not so fast.
Guards Rich Seubert and Chris Snee were back to practice Monday, and that meant David Diehl was back at left tackle. Which is still where he wants to be.
I've always been a team guy," Diehl said Monday. "It's unfortunate that both of those guys were hurt and I had to play a different position, but left tackle is my most comfortable position. It's where I spent the most time at and I feel the best at.
"I definitely want to go back to my position I feel more comfortable with."
Since training camp began, the offensive line has been presented as a battle between Beatty and Seubert for the final spot, with Diehl sliding in to play guard if Beatty takes a job away from Seubert. Entering his ninth season, Seubert lost time with a broken bone in his hand, and has lost lost some mobility over the years. He hasn't, however, lost his will to compete.
"That's my plan, right. Dave at tackle, me at guard. I'm looking forward to it. I miss being out there with those guys playing. It's not fun to see the game from the sidelines," Seubert said.
Love the fact that both of these guys are showing some pride, and aren't going to move for Beatty without a fight. How this plays out is still anybody's guess.
Shawn Andrews, the 330-pound offensive lineman signed as a free agent late last week, practiced for the first time on Monday. He split time between left guard and left tackle. Andrews takes offense at the notion he does not love to play football.
"I'm excited ... I'm a competitor," Andrews said. "The fact that people are telling me that I don't want to play football anymore, and that I don't have a love for the game, that speaks for itself. Being back speaks for itself. My all out last shot at it, I hope it works. I hope I have six or seven more years, being realistic. We'll see."
Andrews even called out Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Ashley Fox when she asked him about people doubting his desire to play. Fox wrote a scathing column on Saturday ripping Andrews and questioning the wisdom of the Giants in signing the former Philadelphia Eagle.
"It's funny, because even the people that I develop pretty good relationships with in the media in Philly, they're like ‘Oh, Shawn's a g-man now so let's ride the wave of "He didn't want to play" or "he stole money," Andrews said. "How did I steal money from the Eagles organization? It's not like I had a gun to their heads and said ‘Hey, keep me here', you know. I had a back injury, I had depression. Those are things from the past. Everybody has trials in life, and all the people that point fingers, they have something going on as well. I just pray for them. That's what I do."
Here's my take on Andrews. Let's forget the Philadelphia stuff. In football years it was a lifetime ago. He's a Giant now. Let's hope -- no, let's follow his lead and pray -- that the two-time Pro Bowler can find his form again and help this team. For the Giants and their fans, that is really all that matters. Can he help, or can't he?
From a variety of practice reports, results seem to have been mixed on Monday. Considering that he is way, way behind in terms of practice time and offensive understanding his initial performance is not really important.
By the way, Mike Garafolo -- who has been out front in figuring out the details of the six-year contract Andrews signed with the Giants -- has put together the year-by-year breakdown of a deal that could earn Andrews $40 million.
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As far as Andrews goes
I hope he works out, but I will not hold my breath.
As for Beatty, we shall see how it all works out, though if he keeps upping his play every preseason game, he might warrant that change after all.
Shawn Andrews or Larry David
“The back is feeling pretty good, feeling pretty good,”
I hope he earns every penny of that 40 million and gets a few more trips to the Pro Bowl in Giants Blue.
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Beatty
Has earned the position in my opinion. I’ve watched him on dvr to see his work without watching the end result of the play, in my opinion he’s gonna be solid for us. His first couple of games (albeit in preseason)have been great.
Him at Left Tackle makes the whole unit stronger and more versatile. Deihl needs to become a team player and realize the line is better set with him inside, and Suebert as leagues best super sub o’lineman.
OL
On Beatty I hope he’s ready but I don’t want to see him rushed and get Eli popped again. I know TC won’t put him in there and risk Eli
LG – Andrews is not going to start the season so I’m sure the is Suebert or Diehl. Fine either way
Center – O’Hara is a rock
RG – Snee will be ready. I just don’t doubt it
RT – McKenzie – we need one more year out of you my man. Let’s hope we didn’t make a mistake by not going after this in the first round when we missed on MLB.
I have confidence we’ll be alright. with healthy players but my concern is over whether we can run to our left with Beatty. I remember some years in the past when we couldn’t go left and it made us SO predictable.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
beatty had nothing to do
with Eli getting popped. He and the rest of the line were under the impression that it was a run play, they pushed their men into the endzone opening the backside of the play for the blitzer who would have been nowhere near a run play. Problem was, Eli decided to take the pass option without letting anyone else know
Didn't say
it was his fault but the LT has his back and I just want to make sure it’s protected as our backup options are insufficient.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Obviously I'm hoping he earns the spot
and I really do think the kid is solid. Plus then our backups can cover almost all spots on the line, fairly strongly.
regardless, I hope guys like Whimper never see the light of day on this line.
well
Beatty vs. Diehl at LT, really….Eli has as good a chance of being popped with either. Diehl was a turnstile last year.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a bit harsh
But clearly team wasn’t satisfied or they wouldn’t have brought in competition.
we have had a string of relatively lucky years with the OL
and let’s hope it continues
but the starters more often than not are more based on who is left rather than who is best
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 24, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions
It's all about the $$$$
2nd highest paid position on an NFL team is LT, if Seubert thought he had a shot he’d be talk in about it.
Logically, Giants have brought in 2 potential LTs to replace Diehl. That’s good football management. Beatty is already showing enough skill to play RT, that would simply require him bulking up (not a big deal on his massive frame).
Andrews is probably a reaction to the failure of Whimper or Koets to fully develop. When healthy he is a big, nimble versatile OL. He will make the roster and fill in everywhere but C. When one guy can sub 4 positions, that’s great.
My suspicion is that JR & Co agreed with the consensus here, that the OL needed retooling, but the draft and free agency didn’t present attractive options (to them). It is just another example of the Giants front office trying to use all options to improve the team without wrecking the salary cap or making a desperation move.
off the subject
Aaron Ross has Plantar Fasciitis and could bother him all season, I’m pretty sure Antrel Roll had that same injury last year but played well with it.
Ross
is the Giants version of J.D. Drew, flashes of brilliance, more of a big tease, and most definitely not durable, we’ll see if he has the heart to play thru the pain. We know Eli did and does!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 24, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
...except J.D. Drew is really good
Besides 2007, Drew has been more than worth his contract, even with his injury problems. The guy is an on base machine.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
I don't
think the BlowSox would agree with that assessment 14 mill. per, can’t wait for his contract to be over with next year (live in Mass.), going to have to trust me, 14 mill per
for pretty much a platoon player?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 24, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That Grand Slam in the '07 ALCS
Was worth his contract alone.
"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you're gonna have to trust me.
Theo Epstein is a smart guy, he understands the concepts of Wins Above Replacement, weighted on base average, etc. JD Drew is a very good player. He’s not a terrific investment in the sense that he’s outplaying his contract, but he’s been worth it, no question, especially to a big market team like Boston.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Sorry
I don’t agree, for a guy who is hardly a “gamer”, not worth the contract, and for anybody above to say one homerun in the playoffs is worth a 70 mill deal is ludicrous!
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 26, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Aditi Tweet
Hakeem Nicks told me Eli Manning put his cell in Chinese; took him all day to fix. I told Eli that was clever. Eli denied any knowledge.
"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck
Eli's been going to the same well with that gag for years
seemed that the OL really gelled with him tho since he messes with them, maybe it happens with Nicks?
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we got the better of the Andrews' brothers
Not the worse of the Andrews’ sisters.
All kidding aside, I think if he rounds back into his pro bowl, or near pro bowl form, we really will be deep at the line. With him and Beatty coming off the bench, I really won’t be as worried as injuries as usual. Unless of course, they come to people named Snee or O’Hara.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Aug 24, 2010 10:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I couldn't
tell in the pics I’ve seen since this weekend (Giants practicing) or have not read if Seubert still has a cast on? Is he wearing a soft cast? I was hoping Beatty would become a starter this season, since our QB is lucky to still have his head attached,
maybe they don’t feel enough of a comfort level as yet with Beatty?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
On Andrews
Obviously, you do not need to be a football genius to realize that it is worth giving Andrews a shot to make the team this year. The Giants have not committed big, guaranteed money to a player who is coming off injuries but has been a two time pro bowler. He is being brought along slowly as to not aggrevate his former injuries and while he is learning the playbook and getting comfortable with his fellow lineman. The giants front office and coaching staff would not have brought him on board if there were any red flags concerning his work ethic or health.
It is good to see our o-line getting healthy and back to competing...
Hey, watching Coughlin on the sidelines it seems to me that his stare of bewilderment has become inreasingly more intense…It really raises the question: Is it due to what he sees happening on the field?…or has age simply caused him to develop a really good case of “The walking farts”?…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Maybe it's an age thing
My father in law walks around the same way, just about the same age/culture.
Then again I have noticed a certain aroma when he comes over, I just blamed my son!
Yeah could be..
I notice the players and coaches try to keep a safe distance from him….I hope they “Mike” him, so we cann all listen carefully..then we could confirm it…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
the site is not telling me when they’re are new comments….
anyone else in the same boat?
No
but I routinely find “runtime errors” when trying to click on SB Nation, it’s on my favs list, the first two or three times I click on SB Nation, I get that annoying message, anybody else have that problem?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 24, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Andia...I not getting them either..
Seems to be intermittent…some days I get them and some days I don’t.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Great Ross goes from a season long hammy problem..
To now that Plantar Fisciaitis crap..spelling suspect…same thing Eli had…Eli played through it but it will create major issues with Ross since he has to run up and down the field every play.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Diehl's statement points to something few on BBV are willing to concede...
…just because we here on this forum will it doesn’t mean it is so. In our — and the beat writers’ — ideal world, Beatty would have matured into his role and Diehl would slide over to LG. But this is all just fantasy. The reality is that because we have a few guys who can play multiple positions on the O-line, it affords us some flexibility. But believe me, the best 5 guys will be out there on Sept. 12 against the Panthers. That is the TC philosophy. Diehl has been out on there on the left edge for a few years now and has one Pro Bowl selection and a second team All-Pro notch under his belt. He isn’t going to be easy to dethrone from that position. I am of the belief that it is better not to speculate about all of this nonsense and anoint Beatty the next starting LT, but rather trust that TC will have the 5 guys on the the O-line on opening day whom he trusts to step up an make the most big plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Aug 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
I agree. B won't start...
unless he proves he’s better at OLT than Diehl. He seems to be well on his way to doing so.
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