Coughlin: Eli Ready To Return

by Ed Valentine on Aug 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT in New York Giants News

New York Giants Coach Tom Coughlin said Sunday that quarterback Eli Manning will return to practice Monday -- wearing a baseball cap. [Full transcript]

Other highlights from Coughlin's Sunday afternoon conference call.

Ramses Barden's back injury will keep him off the field again this week, as will Jim Sorgi's shoulder. Safety Michael Johnson is a maybe. Rich Seubert should play against the Baltimore Ravens next weekend. Brandon Jacobs should return to practice early this week.
Coughlin was not happy with the play of the second and third units on defense.

"We gave up too much yardage, gave up too much soft yardage, and a lot of our young guys, not naming a lot of names, that had played well in the first game a week ago did not play as well in this game and the obvious was the result," Coughlin said. "We just did not stop the run, we did not do the things that we had done to reject the run the week before."
David Diehl will continue to split time between guard and tackle, another indication that Will Beatty is looking like the starting left tackle.
Coughlin said this week will be an important one for the offense, which has had a number of setbacks thus far.

"What's important is that these guys practice together, that we get the whole group together so that we can talk about overall improvement," Coughlin said. "When you look at some of the things that are happening, for example, the pass protection break downs, the lack of real efficient route running, the cohesiveness of the timing involved between the quarterback and the receivers and the protection and the sight adjustments...all that stuff needs work and it needs time spent together and that's why this week will be so important to these guys."
Believe it or not TC lost track of time and was actually late for his own conference call.

"I got in this meeting, and I just got caught up talking about people and I didn't realize the time, so you guys can fine me," he joked.

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I think Coughlin should let Gilbride coach the first couple plays.

Good to see Eli will be fine, tho I expected as much. The guy is a rock and I’ll still hold that he would’ve finished that game if it counted.

Good to see Seubert able to compete too, wouldn’t want him going out without his say.

Jacobs I don’t care if he doesn’t play another snap in the preseason. Gonna need big boy for the real games. Bradshaw looks like the real deal that he’s healthy, but the reality is the Giants running game keys off of Brandon Jacobs. They’ll be dominant if he’s normal.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions

id actually like to see big boy get a few snaps next week

I think he’s the type of player that builds off of good things happening. If he has a 15 yard run, I think he gets so psyched about it, that the next play he gets the ball he’s more intent on hitting that hole hard, or putting that extra imph in that hit on a DB. The opposite applies when he has a down game, or cpl of plays. Right now he’s coming off a bad preseason game, and a bad previous season. I think that’s weighing on him. A nice 5 carry, 30 yard performance will go well towards building up his psychy.

Staying on the run game, what was coughlin doing starting Ware last night with the 1st team? Was that because of the last minute Jacobs scratch, or is he just a mad scientist now? Also, ill be the first one to say it, A Brown has the inside track on the 3rd rb slot. As he should.

This ramses injury is killing me. I’ve waited a whole season plus to watch this man do his thing, and now this back stuff? Very disappointing, to say the least.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Aug 22, 2010 7:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Ware started

Because BJac was scratched and Bradshaw was late to a meeting. Free is right Jacobs is key. If he can soften the opposing defense Bradshaw will be that much more effective.

I do wonder about Snee’s health. I have a feeling Andrews wasn’t signed just for depth. If Beatty continues to improve at LT that moves Diehl to G. I think everyone would agree a heslthy Andrews and Snee are both better options. Is it possible Diehl could move to reserve position or am I just talking crazy????

by Giants56 on Aug 22, 2010 9:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

no way Diehl sits

he’s either starting at LG or LT.

Andrews is either warming the bench, or starting in the case that Snee’s injury is worst then the team is making public

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I

by Giants56 on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I didn't think so

But if Andrews is 100% and I know it’s a long shot he can’t sit. He is one of the best guards in the league when healthy. So that leads me to believe Diehl will be the LT. If I sound crazy I’m about 10 beers in to this post. Glad i’m off tmorrow.

by Giants56 on Aug 22, 2010 9:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I didn't think so

by Giants56 on Aug 22, 2010 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

he was one of the best guards

but players fall off quickly in the NFL, especially if they have brain and back problems.

He wasn’t brought in to start.

If anything, I’m still holding out that they at best expect him to compete at RT in 2011. For 2010 he’s depth for everywhere but C

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Plus

many think Diehl is likely Pro Bowl caliber at guard. No way they bench him.

by potroast on Aug 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

What about Andrews or Diehl at RT??

by trueblue63 on Aug 23, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

not this year

McKenzie’s the only one healthy there so far

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Snee

Any word on him yet? I’d really like to see the whole OL play together for a little bit before the season starts. Also I would like to see bullock get the start and see how he does I know he was only on the field for 6 plays but I saw him around the ball each play. Also would like to see Linval get in with the second team cause benard and coefield got pushed around that 2nd n 3rd qtr

by g-men_fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

As I watched the replay of the first half....

Cofield really looked like an enigma out there….I would watch as one guy would take him completely outta one play, and than turn around, and take on a double team (not give an inch) and tackle Mendenhall.

Someone needs to help Canty out b/c he’s taking the majority of the double teams and from the looks of it, next in line after Cofield is Joseph. Bernard impressed me w/ the goal line stand but overall Joseph is the much better package.

by andiamo708 on Aug 22, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions

I've been talking up Canty for a while now

He’s doing his job but he needs help. This is where a penetrating DT like Alford or Joseph is key. You have to make the O-line pay when it doubles somebody.

Cofield seems to take plays off. Maybe it’s a lack of concentration or he’s not in shape but he can be dominant for one play and be manhandled in the next.

"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck

by GhostDini on Aug 22, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

who here thinks theyre carrying 5 tackles?

I don’t. Add in the ends and that’s 10 on the line. I think there’s an odd man out there. And its either tollefson, or Alford, IMO. And tollefson is having a solid camp, whereas I’ve heard nothing about Alford. I’ve even heard rockys name mentioned and seen him with penetration so far.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Aug 22, 2010 9:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

In my 53 man roster

I decided to let Tollefson go.

I really don’t expect much from Alford this year after missing all of last year w/ knee surgery, but I still think that it’s a no brainer he makes the squad.

Cofield, Canty, Joseph, Bernard, Alford….so yes, I think we carry 5 DT’s this year. I would not however be shocked to see Bernard get cut if Joseph can prove more valuable this year, or Alford shows his knee is 100% (which it’s not)

by andiamo708 on Aug 22, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions

why do you think it's a no brainer?

you know, i think we romanticize Jay because of that wonderful memory of him man-raping Thomas Brady in that wonderful perfect game to make the Pats non-perfect. but i think if we open our eyes to reality, we would see that Alford is more or less a borderline bench player on this team, and most teams as well.

all we hear is promise about the guy, but we’re talking about a player here who has 16 career tackles in 3 years. that’s not alot. we’re also talking about a guy who is not THAT young anymore(27), and has had a major injury. I haven’t taken notice once this preseason to any spectacular plays, or even solid penetration that he’s had at all, and he’s playing against second and third stringers. even rocky has made plays(peep Ed’s K&WW’s this morning). Tollefson is a steady, reliable, un-injured end. so i respectfully have to disagree with you andi, on your assumption that you think Alford is a no brainer.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Aug 23, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions

just my opinion on the matter

disagreeing is fine….I like that you gave legitimate facts to back your argument as opposed to just throwing some sarcasm at me.

But I will back up my argument as well….and it begins and ends with Jay being injured. As we know the Giants LOVE holding onto draft picks, so yes, while Jay has not shown much he did miss a whole year due to injury so he’s really only had 2 years here. With that also being said, I’m just not expecting much from him this year, so yes, i kinda give him a “pass” … I watched Cofield, Robbins, Tuck, and Osi get a pass for being hurt, i might as well hand out out to Alford. Not to mention last year before the injury Tuck said Alford would be the break out player in ’09…and he and Osi did a ton of work in the off season together trying to teach Jay how to jump the snap count.

Also….When it comes to comparing stats I would be interested in knowing what Tollefson has done in his time here in big blue

Another thing going against Dave is the fact that he’s got 2 Pro Bowler, a wanna be Pro Bowler, and a 1st round draft pick competing against him.

Alford has a high priced FA (canty) a 2nd round pick (Joseph), and Cofield and Bernard who could very well be Ex-Giants after this season….

by andiamo708 on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions

Good arguments, Andi,

but Tollefson is not only an adequate back up who gives his all, but he’s a big contributor on STs, one of our weakest areas.

by blue gonz on Aug 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions

well you are right about that....

no way Bernard or Alford contribute on ST like Tolly would….

Part of my reasoning is me putting myself in the coaches shoes, and while I’m no huge fan of Bernard, that’s just the way I see it….

by andiamo708 on Aug 23, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions

That might be the deal breaker Andi

We need as many quality bodies on ST as we can get.

"my vow of silence is over..... I’m sick of it….and I hate that dopey bastard"
- Highly revered BBV poster andiamo708 on his vow of silence regarding negative comments directed towards New York Giants Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride after the first pre-season game of 2010.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 23, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Just how many passes does one man get?

Alford has been getting a pass from day one for one excuse or another. Tolly has simply gone out and done his job day in and day out. No glory just grunt. He is one of the best ST players we have (he may be the best with Blackburn down). He is also a solid and dependable reserve. They are also giving him snaps at LB which means they want him on this team one way or another. If I had my choice between a dependable lunch pail guy like Tolly and a full of “potential” but never shown me anything guy like Alford, I’ll take Tolly Monday through Saturday and twice on Sunday.

by bigblue777 on Aug 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

I guess as many as Sinorice Moss and Guy Whimper???

two guys who do jack on specials teams too btw….

by andiamo708 on Aug 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

Whimper has clung because there haven't been other bodies

When you are looking at the DL and talking about cuts it is because there are a lot of bodies there. The OL has very few bodies, so scrubs hang around simply for the fact that you need some bodies there. Blame Reese for not finding a better option there.

Moss while amounting to jack didly as a return man did actually play a bigger ST role than Alford has. Moss outplayed Barden on ST which kept Barden benched last year.

by bigblue777 on Aug 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions

well, without going off on a tanget here

I’m going to simply offer my option: Alford makes the team.

I understand the arguments being made on both sides….but if I were a betting man, I would say Jay Alford makes the roster.

by andiamo708 on Aug 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

*tangent

by andiamo708 on Aug 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions

If I were a betting man, which I am.

I’d say they both (Tolly and Alford) do.

"Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York."

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 23, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd agree with this

I’m arguing FOR Tolly not AGAINST Alford if that wasn’t clear.

by bigblue777 on Aug 23, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Alford long snaps on field goal attempts. He’ll also has a better chance of being in the 8 man d-line rotation than Moss does of being the 4th WR.
So if Moss isn’t returning kicks he’s good as gone because right now he’s not ahead of Smith, Nicks, Manningham, Barden or Hagan ( who does play special teams )and TC has said its very hard to keep the 4th guy on the active roster if he’s not on special teams. Moss hasn’t done anything in 4 years and its about time for him to show something or he’s done.

by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

besides

tollefson is a DE

by maculis on Aug 22, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions

i said

add in the ends.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Aug 23, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions

I doubt Aflord goes anywhere

he’s younger and cheaper.

I don’t think cuz someone’s name isn’t dropped every second that it goes a long way to whether they make the team or not.

Steve Smith was seemingly just there in camp since he was drafted…he’s not bad.

If anyone goes, its Tollefson

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

see my response to Andi above

the same comment can be applied to you.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Aug 23, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions

I just don't think he has to be dominating and making every play in practice

or the preseason games in order to make the squad.

They aren’t saying anything on him. That means nothing good…but its also nothing bad.

I don’t see Alford going anywhere. THere’s no reason to drop him. The Giants don’t drop their draft picks .

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions

From what I can gather

Fewell likes to rely heavily on 4 and 5 man fronts. Because of this, I think its imperative we find Canty’s compliment up there.

I like to think that we have an above average Dline and while I don’t need to see a lot of sacks I want to see us forcing the QBs hand a bit more. While our secondary has improved we still can’t give the QB too much time.

by andiamo708 on Aug 22, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions

KP is on the comeback trail

The NY Post had a good article on KP’s prognosis.

Reese’s trained eyes were glued to Phillips, and liked what they saw. “Our trainers are very happy — there’s no swelling, there’s no pain, so that’s a good report for us,” Reese said.

Reese was asked if it is unrealistic to expect Phillips to start alongside Rolle. “No, it’s not unrealistic,” Reese said. “We expect him to continue to progress and not have any setbacks, and hopefully we can put him in there with our first group.” On Opening Day? “On Opening Day.”

"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck

by GhostDini on Aug 22, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions

Whoa

Opening day? I though he was doing ok, but I’m kind of shocked by that. I figured he wouldn’t be starting until mid-season at the earliest.

by potroast on Aug 23, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Shhhhh

I think this was all a major cover-up. Phillips was(is) doing better than speculated and written about and he will not start on opening day but, he will get significant playing time especially considering the issues our secondary had with tight ends last year.

by SNORKIS on Aug 23, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions

andrews

why are some of you guys so paranoid.i was reading in another post about worring about chris snee,or complaining that we should have drafted backup linemen with our draft picks.Andrews is just in to replace Guy Wimper,and there was gaping holes in the defense that needed to be adressed first.Jerry Reese is the best judge of talent in the league,and the way you build a team is by finding hidden gems,which he does, not by signing the big head aches like haynesworth or other guys like boldin that would great on a fantasy teams and not on the N.Y.football Giants.By the way in last years draft I wanted Nicks, first then the best linebacker left which would be Sintim,then a tackle,and he did exactly that.

by tuffnuff on Aug 23, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions